irclog2html for #zaurus on 20031218

`00:00.08`	`*** join/#zaurus CodeWarrior (~hisham@home.hisham.cc)`
`00:00.47`	`CodeWarrior`	`anyone toyed with evas / arm?`
`00:01.25`	`kergoth`	`mmm yep`
`00:01.30`	`kergoth`	`not much, just ran the demos n stuff`
`00:01.39`	`CodeWarrior`	`how did u get it to compile?`
`00:02.05`	`kergoth`	`eh, raster has a little script for crosscompiling it, bypasses the make and autotools madness`
`00:02.14`	`ChipX86`	`got any ipks?`
`00:02.15`	`kergoth`	`but i dont use that, i beat down the buildsystem till it crosscompiled in that way`
`00:02.34`	`CodeWarrior`	`when was that?`
`00:03.12`	`kergoth`	`long time ago, its in the oz buildsystem`
`00:03.18`	`kergoth`	`used to have ipks in the unstable feeds`
`00:03.27`	`kergoth`	`dunno if mickey enabled it for the 3.3.5 builds, probably not`
`00:04.45`	`CodeWarrior`	`I use sharp's rom`
`00:05.07`	`kergoth`	`doesnt matter`
`00:05.33`	`CodeWarrior`	`i got the gcc cross compiler here.`
`00:05.36`	`CodeWarrior`	`how do I start?`
`00:05.36`	`kergoth`	`hm, i cant easily build you an ipk atm, all my dev environment has is a gcc3 crosscompiler, no gcc2`
`00:05.48`	`kergoth`	`you read the README. he gives an example ./configure for a Z or ipaq`
`00:05.49`	`George-`	`kergoth: slacker.`
`00:05.59`	`CodeWarrior`	`lets see`
`00:06.01`	`kergoth`	`George-: fuck that, i'm doing a ton of more important stuff`
`00:06.19`	`George-`	`kergoth: hehe, such as getting annoyed on IRC? :)`
`00:06.57`	`kergoth`	`irc is a distraction, but a welcome one. gives me a break from what i'm working on so my unconscious can work at the problem`
`00:07.00`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:07.06`	`George-`	`heheh`
`00:07.24`	`George-`	`I bet that's what Mark Novak thought...`
`00:07.26`	`George-`	`before he came on here`
`00:07.50`	`W8TVI`	`kergoth: hows the new sd stuff comming?`
`00:08.04`	`George-`	`W8TVI: woot, I forgot all about that!`
`00:08.08`	`kergoth`	`George-: eh, you're losing your touch. you're nowhere near as annoying as you try to be`
`00:08.12`	`kergoth`	`~fishslap George-`
`00:08.15`		`ACTION slaps George- up side the head with a wet fish.`
`00:08.20`	`kergoth`	`W8TVI: untouched`
`00:08.21`	`George-`	`kergoth: waaaaaaaaa`
`00:08.28`	`George-`	`kergoth: I'm losing my annoyingness??!?!?!?!?`
`00:08.30`	`W8TVI`	`kergoth, :(`
`00:08.36`	`George-`	`AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH`
`00:08.49`	`ljp`	`wonderful`
`00:08.49`	`W8TVI`	`yeah, I have to go and be`
`00:08.52`	`W8TVI`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:08.55`	`W8TVI`	`:P`
`00:08.59`	`George-`	`W8TVI: bastard`
`00:09.12`	`George-`	`nah, you should see ibots logs of me from a while ago.`
`00:09.14`	`George-`	`in fact, no you shouldn't.`
`00:09.21`	`W8TVI`	`ibot, pester kergoth`
`00:09.24`		`kergoth: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet?`
`00:09.31`	`kergoth`	`ibot: no.`
`00:09.32`		`YES`
`00:09.37`	`kergoth`	`ibot: no.`
`00:09.38`		`YES`
`00:09.38`	`chouimat`	`hmmm george being a young moron as usual?`
`00:09.43`	`George-`	`ROFL`
`00:09.44`	`weez\|ne-ne`	`ibot: wanna cyber?`
`00:09.45`		`No weez\|ne-ne! you filthy pervert!`
`00:09.52`	`W8TVI`	`heh!`
`00:09.52`	`George-`	`hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha`
`00:09.53`	`weez\|ne-ne`	`cool, they fixed it`
`00:09.54`	`kergoth`	`ibot sucks`
`00:09.56`		`If you got $5 I'll do more than that!`
`00:09.59`	`W8TVI`	`I fixed it`
`00:10.02`	`weez\|ne-ne`	`he used to not know what those was..`
`00:10.08`	`chouimat`	`ibot I have 50$`
`00:10.11`		`chouimat: no idea`
`00:10.11`	`weez\|ne-ne`	`hes growing up awfully fast`
`00:10.16`	`George-`	`I HATE FRANCO-CANADIANS!!!`
`00:10.19`	`chouimat`	`ibot sex`
`00:10.22`		`sex is probably just google for it man!!!!`
`00:10.22`	`weez\|ne-ne`	`W8TVI: good job`
`00:10.32`	`George-`	`ibot forget sex`
`00:10.33`		`George-: i forgot sex`
`00:10.44`	`George-`	`ibot sex is <reply> get off irc you filthy pervert.`
`00:10.45`		`okay, George-`
`00:11.06`	`ljp`	`ibot:no, sex is something George- knows nothing about`
`00:11.08`		`okay, ljp`
`00:11.21`	`George-`	`ibot no sex is <reply> get off irc you filthy pervert.`
`00:11.22`		`George-: okay`
`00:11.22`	`W8TVI`	`ibot lock sex`
`00:11.36`	`George-`	`W8TVI: locking is disabled in recent blootbot builds :P`
`00:11.53`	`CodeWarrior`	`where can I get freetype-config for Embedix?`
`00:11.57`	`kergoth`	`heh, that was amusing when my factoid was permanently locked`
`00:12.02`	`kergoth`	`CodeWarrior: uh, its a shell script.`
`00:12.08`	`weez\|working`	`hmm.. this is bizarre..`
`00:12.13`	`weez\|working`	`ibot: whats your sign?`
`00:12.14`		`weez\|working: i don't know`
`00:12.19`	`kergoth`	`CodeWarrior: what you need, is arm freetype lib and headers, in the right place, then a -config that outputs those paths`
`00:12.20`	`George-`	`I can't BELIEVE I'M NOT AS ANNOYING AS I USED TO BE`
`00:12.22`	`George-`	`THIS SUCKS`
`00:12.28`	`weez\|working`	`hmm.. last time he said check out tldp.org`
`00:12.31`	`George-`	`I WILL HAVE TO START TYPING IN CAPITALS TO BE ANNOYING`
`00:12.46`	`ljp`	`bye george`
`00:12.51`	`George-`	`BYE`
`00:12.55`	`chouimat`	`ibot kick George-`
`00:12.58`		`bugger off sod!`
`00:13.04`	`George-`	`THIS REMINDS ME OF DOS`
`00:13.19`	`chouimat`	`~lart George-`
`00:13.26`	`George-`	`IBOT LART CHOUIMAT`
`00:13.29`	`kergoth`	`heh, that was fun when we could swear and get george booted`
`00:13.40`	`ljp`	`ya, I miss those days`
`00:14.00`	`George-`	`kergoth: yes, well, i learnt a smidgen of perl and hacked the cgi:irc client to do content filtering because of that`
`00:14.21`	`*** join/#zaurus chouimat (~chouimat@r2351064.cidc.net)`
`00:15.07`	`George-`	`kergoth: check out ibot's early logs of #linux7k`
`00:15.09`	`George-`	`ibot logs`
`00:15.12`		`http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or ibot logs, jbot does not`
`00:15.20`	`chouimat`	`~lart George-`
`00:20.05`	`George-`	`chouimat: bugger off`
`00:20.13`	`George-`	`kergoth: reading the logs? or too lazy/busy?`
`00:20.20`	`kergoth`	`busy`
`00:20.35`	`George-`	`ahh`
`00:20.38`	`George-`	`read them sometime`
`00:20.48`	`George-`	`then you'll realise that I'm not quite as annoying as I used to be :)`
`00:21.00`	`chouimat`	`George-: I wish a merry xmas`
`00:21.11`	`George-`	`chouimat: wow.`
`00:21.15`	`kergoth`	`George-: heh, i remember your lkml post :P`
`00:21.37`	`George-`	`kergoth: stfu about that.`
`00:21.43`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
`00:21.50`	`George-`	`that wasn't funny.`
`00:21.53`	`George-`	`I was... 13`
`00:21.55`	`chouimat`	`George-: what? because I like teasing you don't mean I'm an human being`
`00:22.00`	`kergoth`	`yeah i know`
`00:22.01`	`George-`	`and I CAN'T BELIEVE I FUCKING DID THAT`
`00:22.22`	`chouimat`	`add not somewhere :)`
`00:22.35`	`W8TVI`	`"lkml post"?`
`00:22.49`	`George-`	`kergoth: no!!! DON'T TELL THEM ANYTHING!!!!`
`00:23.11`	`W8TVI`	`tell me!`
`00:23.21`	`W8TVI`	`it must be good`
`00:23.31`	`George-`	`W8TVI: nooooooooooooooo!!!!!`
`00:23.33`	`George-`	`NEVER!`
`00:23.41`	`George-`	`I can't believe I actually told kergoth`
`00:23.50`	`George-`	`I think lkml must have thought of me as an utter berk`
`00:24.14`	`George-`	`in fact, I know they thought of me as an utter berk`
`00:24.22`	`kergoth`	`George-: heh, at least you knew what lkml was at that age, thats something.`
`00:24.26`	`George-`	`I mean.. to soil the deity linus' mailbox with that CRAP`
`00:24.26`	`kergoth`	`;)`
`00:24.38`	`George-`	`kergoth: and that's an excuse?`
`00:24.43`	`George-`	`kergoth: I asked the most stupid questions`
`00:24.49`	`George-`	`"Can I be a kernel developer?"`
`00:24.51`	`George-`	`I mean`
`00:24.53`	`George-`	`ARRRGGHHHH`
`00:24.59`	`kergoth`	`well, maybe you didnt know about kernelnewbies.org?`
`00:25.01`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:25.05`	`George-`	`why do they have to ARCHIVE this shit`
`00:25.08`	`George-`	`kergoth: I didn't :(`
`00:25.16`	`Twiun`	`George-: So ask it be removed from the archive`
`00:25.30`	`George-`	`Twiun: there are about 40 archives for lkml`
`00:25.49`	`Twiun`	`George-: all searchable? I meant get rid of it from google :)`
`00:26.00`	`George-`	`the most embarassing thing was my email sig which was about 8 lines long and had an asci art drawing of tux`
`00:26.23`	`W8TVI`	`http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=lkml+%22George+Wright%22`
`00:26.28`	`George-`	`bugger.`
`00:26.39`	`George-`	`SHIT`
`00:26.40`	`George-`	`IT'S THERE`
`00:26.43`	`George-`	`ARRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHH`
`00:26.45`	`George-`	`ok, I'm off`
`00:26.52`	`George-`	`kergoth: I'll assassinate you someday`
`00:26.56`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`00:26.57`	`George-`	`DIE BASTARD`
`00:27.05`	`Twiun`	`George-: http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?num=100&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Meslin-Weber&sa=N&tab=wg`
`00:27.10`	`kergoth`	`i didnt expect him to find it..`
`00:27.14`	`Twiun`	`That's my total contribution to usenet :)`
`00:27.23`	`W8TVI`	`George Wright: "Newbie to Kernel Development"`
`00:27.28`	George`Depressed	`W8TVI: FUCK OFF`
`00:27.44`	`weez\|working`	`George-: sorry about that man...`
`00:28.11`	George`Depressed	`Twiun: the chemical thing?`
`00:28.11`	`W8TVI`	`http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:_8EOVhQv14kJ:www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linux-kernel/2001-12/0770.html+lkml+%22George+Wright%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8`
`00:28.19`	`Twiun`	George`Depressed: they're all mine :)
`00:28.20`	George`Depressed	`W8TVI: ARRGHH YOU BASTARD`
`00:28.21`	`W8TVI`	`sorry, but its still in the google cache :)`
`00:28.26`	`Twiun`	George`Depressed: I was still in sixth form
`00:28.50`	George`Depressed	`Twiun: hehe`
`00:28.59`	`W8TVI`	`10 line sig`
`00:29.05`	George`Depressed	`W8TVI: precisely, now fuck off`
`00:29.14`	`W8TVI`	`George Wright - Edge Grove School - Age 13`
`00:29.16`	`Twiun`	George`Depressed: 1996... last year of 6th form, first year of uni... now that was fun
`00:29.19`	George`Depressed	`ARRGHGHHHHHH`
`00:29.22`	George`Depressed	`W8TVI: DIE`
`00:29.25`	`Twiun`	George`Depressed: still has the old compuserve address :)
`00:29.25`	George`Depressed	`Twiun: COMPUSERVE?!?!?!`
`00:29.34`	`Twiun`	George`Depressed: had to start somewhere
`00:30.02`	George`Depressed	`I started on AT&T`
`00:30.19`	`Twiun`	`who paid for it?`
`00:30.22`	`kergoth`	`heh, i was on aol mainly in around 95-96`
`00:30.31`	George`Depressed	`And I'm going to kill kergoth.`
`00:30.36`	George`Depressed	`Twiun: uh, my dad :P`
`00:30.42`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: YOU WHAT?!?!?!?`
`00:30.50`	George`Depressed	`holy crap`
`00:30.52`	`Twiun`	George`Depressed: ditto, my mum had paid for the account
`00:30.54`	`*** part/#zaurus stew_b (~stew@csta-19158.communicomm.com)`
`00:30.57`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:31.02`	`kergoth`	`i didnt start using linux till 96`
`00:31.06`	George`Depressed	`hrmm`
`00:31.08`	`Twiun`	George`Depressed: you can see me move to something else a few months afterwards
`00:31.09`	George`Depressed	`I started in '98`
`00:31.13`	George`Depressed	`on 2.0.36`
`00:31.16`	`Twiun`	`'99`
`00:31.24`	George`Depressed	`early '98 when I was still 9 :)`
`00:31.30`	`W8TVI`	`cool... now I got a local copy of it`
`00:31.34`	`Twiun`	`Hahahaha`
`00:31.35`	`kergoth`	`i remember spending like 16 hours straight with a friend of mine trying to get that fucker working with my hardware`
`00:31.43`	George`Depressed	`I remember furiously trying to get the fucking kernel to recompile so I had optimizations on my pentium 120 :)`
`00:31.44`	`kergoth`	`had one of those oddball sound card scsi cdrom controllers`
`00:31.46`	`Twiun`	`W8TVI: going to add it as a gzipped sig to every post?`
`00:32.01`	`Twiun`	`kergoth: yeah, same here`
`00:32.06`	George`Depressed	`and the pre-1.0 builds of kde were.... fun`
`00:32.13`	`W8TVI`	`I first used linux in 96...`
`00:32.14`	George`Depressed	`ahhhh, those days.... :D`
`00:32.24`	`W8TVI`	`Twiun, sounds like a good idea`
`00:32.35`	`kergoth`	`man, building enlightenment was a bitch`
`00:32.36`	`W8TVI`	`I'm going to upload the page to my website`
`00:32.41`	`kergoth`	`enough fucking dependencies`
`00:32.41`	George`Depressed	`and of course, I had to learn bash as fvwm was unusable imho :)`
`00:32.56`	`Twiun`	`bash is great`
`00:33.03`	`kergoth`	`i used windowmaker for years. good stuff`
`00:33.09`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: yes, well raster should be on in a few hours :)`
`00:33.09`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: and don't forget I'm going to kill you.`
`00:33.09`	`W8TVI`	`I ran linux on a 25mhz 486sx`
`00:33.29`	George`Depressed	`W8TVI: I started out on a pentium 120 :)`
`00:33.41`	George`Depressed	`it's bloody annoying being so young`
`00:34.12`	`W8TVI`	`lol`
`00:34.24`	George`Depressed	`oh well`
`00:34.30`	George`Depressed	`I started early enough anyway :)`
`00:34.36`	`kergoth`	`heh, its like i didnt exist before OZ`
`00:34.50`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: hahahahahahaha, that picture fucking cracks me up on geocities of you :P`
`00:34.58`	`kergoth`	`heh, didnt they take that down?`
`00:35.09`	`kergoth`	`I should pick up a digital camera`
`00:36.00`	`kergoth`	`W8TVI: heh, getting old`
`00:36.05`	`kergoth`	`ill be 24 in april`
`00:36.08`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: Same here, except with me it's Linux7k`
`00:36.13`	`W8TVI`	`yeah`
`00:36.23`	`kergoth`	`getting old sucks.`
`00:36.30`	`kergoth`	`i injured my thumb doing pushups.`
`00:36.35`	`Twiun`	`kergoth: lol, just got past 26 last weekend`
`00:36.36`	`kergoth`	`how the fuck do you injure yourself doing pushups`
`00:36.37`	`kergoth`	`i mean, wtf`
`00:36.39`	George`Depressed	`http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=georsoc%40attglobal.net&btnG=Google+Search`
`00:36.51`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: hey, being young sucks too`
`00:37.09`	`kergoth`	`Twiun: congrats^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hcondolances`
`00:37.25`	`Twiun`	`kergoth: Nah... depending on my mood I feel 18 or 45 :)`
`00:37.33`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:37.52`	`W8TVI`	`http://www.google.com/search?q=w8tvi`
`00:38.01`	George`Depressed	`W8TVI: someone replied to that post on lkml with just the sig quoted and the words "is this a joke?"`
`00:38.03`	`*** join/#zaurus omin0us (omin0us@216.222.87.96)`
`00:38.19`	`W8TVI`	`lol`
`00:38.33`	`Twiun`	`Haaha`
`00:38.53`	`Twiun`	`Shouldn't say funny things like that when I've got a mouthful of coffee`
`00:39.27`	George`Depressed	`hrmm, I actually posted some intelligent stuff on the linux7k mailing lists`
`00:39.31`	George`Depressed	`that's incredible.`
`00:39.31`	`kergoth`	`heh, i still wanna know where googlism got 'kergoth is a criminal' from`
`00:39.32`	`kergoth`	`http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=kergoth&type=1`
`00:39.40`	`W8TVI`	`http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dragonlinux-support/message/3162`
`00:39.52`	`Twiun`	`sniff. "Sorry, Google doesn't know enough about twiun yet."`
`00:40.09`	`W8TVI`	`lol`
`00:40.11`	George`Depressed	`CRIMINAL! :)`
`00:40.24`	`Twiun`	`Kernel Newbie!`
`00:40.57`	`W8TVI`	`lol`
`00:41.02`	George`Depressed	`Twiun: what?`
`00:41.03`	`W8TVI`	`Mon Dec 8 23:05:46 PST 2003, w8tvi,`
`00:41.03`	`W8TVI`	`localhost.localdomain.(none), ? buildroot, 2482079, outgoing clone. ...`
`00:42.04`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: do you think that my post to lkml annoyed the list goers?`
`00:42.14`	`kergoth`	`hey! googlism knows me: chris larson is a pretentious bastard`
`00:42.16`	`kergoth`	`:D`
`00:42.27`	`W8TVI`	`heh`
`00:42.27`	George`Depressed	`ROFL`
`00:42.56`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: seriously though, read the logs of #linux7k :)`
`00:43.12`	`omin0us`	`hey all`
`00:43.14`	`omin0us`	`whats up`
`00:43.19`	George`Depressed	`omin0us: I'm depressed`
`00:43.27`	`omin0us`	`um...that sucks`
`00:43.34`	George`Depressed	`blame kergoth.`
`00:43.38`	`omin0us`	`why?`
`00:43.42`	`W8TVI`	`I've even bounced a packet (on 2m) off of the ISS digipeater`
`00:43.52`	`W8TVI`	`W7MGK W7RBR W8IX W8JV W8KJM-7 W8KOX W8KVK W8KZM W8RKG W8SCA-7 W8TVI W8UC-3 ...`
`00:44.01`	George`Depressed	`omin0us: it's all his fault`
`00:44.03`	`W8TVI`	`web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/iss-aprs/isscalls.txt`
`00:44.27`	`omin0us`	`hmm, anyone know where libaudiofile.so.0 can be found?`
`00:44.38`	George`Depressed	`btw - anyone here a good web designer?`
`00:44.43`	George`Depressed	`or html writer?`
`00:45.04`	`kergoth`	`omin0us: um, in audiofile, perhaps?`
`00:45.08`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:45.17`	`W8TVI`	George`Depressed, haved you looked at the oz webpage lateky?
`00:45.20`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: you pretentious bastard`
`00:45.22`	George`Depressed	`W8TVI: no`
`00:45.45`	George`Depressed	`W8TVI: why?`
`00:45.57`	`W8TVI`	`if you had, you woulnt have asked`
`00:46.07`	George`Depressed	`hahaha`
`00:46.11`	George`Depressed	`the OZ website's not that bad`
`00:46.14`	George`Depressed	`I quite like it actually`
`00:46.18`	`kergoth`	`thats noda's work`
`00:46.25`	George`Depressed	`my site was inspired by OZ.org`
`00:46.28`	George`Depressed	`http://zorian.ath.cx`
`00:46.30`	`kergoth`	`ibot: seen noda`
`00:46.32`		`noda <~noda@modemcable013.119-201-24.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 3d 1h 58m 40s ago, saying: 'Gotta go :)'.`
`00:47.32`	`*** join/#zaurus treke\|wherever (~ggilbert@ip230-225.outside.westmont.edu)`
`00:47.49`	George`Depressed	`hi treke`
`00:47.54`	George`Depressed	`thank god treke didn't see the post`
`00:48.04`	`treke\|wherever`	`good thing I keep logs.`
`00:48.12`	George`Depressed	`fuck.`
`00:48.25`	`*** join/#zaurus heatxsink (~John@63.146.78.10)`
`00:48.33`	`kergoth`	george`depressed: heh, shouldnt have said anything
`00:48.41`	`treke\|wherever`	`yup`
`00:48.42`	`W8TVI`	`treke\|ho1e: http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:_8EOVhQv14kJ:www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linux-kernel/2001-12/0770.html+lkml+%22George+Wright%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8`
`00:48.45`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: i'm a fucking idiot, that's why`
`00:48.47`	`treke\|wherever`	`never would have read it`
`00:48.48`	George`Depressed	`W8TVI: YOU BASTARD`
`00:48.53`	George`Depressed	`YOU ABSOLUTE BASTARD`
`00:48.58`	`W8TVI`	`hey heatxsink`
`00:49.10`	`W8TVI`	`check out http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:_8EOVhQv14kJ:www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linux-kernel/2001-12/0770.html+lkml+%22George+Wright%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8`
`00:49.38`	`kergoth`	`ibot: W8TVI is also annoying`
`00:49.39`		`kergoth: okay`
`00:49.41`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`00:49.48`	George`Depressed	`W8TVI: FUCK YOU`
`00:50.07`	`treke\|wherever`	George`Depressed: at least you didnt get told to fuck off
`00:50.17`	George`Depressed	`treke\|wherever: on the list?`
`00:50.29`	George`Depressed	`treke\|wherever: I did... I was told to fuck off to kernel newbies`
`00:50.37`	`treke\|wherever`	`yes. on the list`
`00:52.13`	`kergoth`	`god i wish people would learn to use the 'list reply' function of their fucking MUA's`
`00:53.12`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:53.14`	George`Depressed	`I wish kergoth and W8TVI would drop dead.`
`00:53.49`	`W8TVI`	ibot, kill George`Depressed
`00:53.51`		ACTION slits George`Depressed's throat
`00:54.44`	`treke\|wherever`	`kergoth: the reply to start a new thread trick is really annoyiong`
`00:55.14`	`kergoth`	`treke\|wherever: yeah, agreed`
`00:55.28`	`kergoth`	`treke\|wherever: i wish everyone using a list would read david woodhouse's doc on list ettiquette`
`00:55.33`	`kergoth`	`ibot: spell ettiquette`
`00:55.41`		`possible spellings for ettiquette: etiquette etiquettes netiquette etiquette's`
`00:55.42`	George`Depressed	`is Chirac an idiot or something?`
`00:55.42`	`treke\|wherever`	`url?`
`00:55.45`	`heatxsink`	`hey W8TVI i can't believe that guy`
`00:55.46`	`heatxsink`	`haha`
`00:55.56`	George`Depressed	`banning headscarves indeed... I mean... he must be a fucking moron to go directly against religious circles`
`00:55.57`	`kergoth`	`treke\|wherever: http://www.infradead.org/~dwmw2/email.html`
`00:56.47`	`kergoth`	`"Do not under any circumstances quote the entire original message and place your entire reply at the top. You will simply be ignored."`
`00:56.51`	`kergoth`	`good stuff`
`00:56.55`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`00:56.55`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: hrmm, I follow that etiquette anyway...`
`00:57.15`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: and have been since I actually got a brain (yes, that means _after_ the lkml post)`
`00:57.44`	`W8TVI`	George`Depressed, you sure?
`00:58.15`	George`Depressed	`W8TVI: sometimes I accidently reply privately, and sometimes I accidently leave the entire quoted message at the bottom`
`00:58.27`	George`Depressed	`W8TVI: but 90% of the time I follow that etiquette`
`00:58.33`	George`Depressed	`it's common sense`
`00:58.38`	George`Depressed	`anywya, I'm going to bed`
`00:58.45`	`kergoth`	`night`
`00:58.46`	George`Depressed	`I'm fed up of being mocked by lkml readers`
`00:58.49`	`Twiun`	`g'night`
`00:59.03`	George`Depressed	`and I'll kill kergoth.`
`00:59.09`	George`Depressed	`W8TVI: shut up`
`00:59.09`	`Twiun`	`but it's worth the few laughs anyway`
`00:59.22`	George`Depressed	`I used to read lkml`
`00:59.28`	`kergoth`	`i dont have time to read lkml`
`00:59.29`	George`Depressed	`stopped reading after I got flamed for that post`
`00:59.32`	`kergoth`	`too much damn traffic`
`00:59.42`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: yes, 100+ emails a day is too much`
`00:59.47`	`kergoth`	`"sorry boss, i had to spend the first 3 hours of the day reading email"`
`00:59.51`	`kergoth`	`doesnt go over well`
`00:59.59`	George`Depressed	`ROFL`
`01:00.22`	George`Depressed	`I wonder what job I'll have when I'm older`
`01:00.29`	`heatxsink`	George`Depressed, get off your computer and get outside
`01:00.40`	George`Depressed	`heatxsink: don't be irrational`
`01:00.41`	`heatxsink`	George`Depressed, go to a bar and talk to a hott chick
`01:00.50`	`heatxsink`	George`Depressed, then just have fun
`01:00.50`	George`Depressed	`heatxsink: are you crazy?`
`01:00.53`	`heatxsink`	George`Depressed, :-D
`01:00.55`	`treke\|wherever`	`erm`
`01:00.58`	`kergoth`	`eh`
`01:01.01`	`treke\|wherever`	`he's 14 and its something like 3 am`
`01:01.05`	`kergoth`	`heatxsink: stop trying to corrupt the youth`
`01:01.09`	`heatxsink`	`hahaha`
`01:01.15`	George`Depressed	`I'm 15.`
`01:01.29`	George`Depressed	`and it's just gone past 1am`
`01:01.33`	`treke\|wherever`	`besides, we dont want to take the chance he might reproduce`
`01:01.40`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`01:01.42`	`heatxsink`	George`Depressed, okay 15 and depressed, try something different then, go up to the hottest chick at your school and tell her hey baby whatz up?
`01:01.49`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: what sort of job do you think I should be in when I'm older? :P`
`01:01.58`	`W8TVI`	`Tech Support`
`01:01.59`	`heatxsink`	George`Depressed, what do you like do to for fun?
`01:02.00`	George`Depressed	`heatxsink: all boys school :P`
`01:02.02`	`kergoth`	George`Depressed: whatever makes you the most amount of money possible
`01:02.07`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: hahahaha`
`01:02.10`	`heatxsink`	George`Depressed, ahhhh that's why your depressed
`01:02.11`	`treke\|wherever`	`crash test dummy`
`01:02.22`	George`Depressed	`heatxsink: no, I don't care for girls, nor boys`
`01:02.30`	`heatxsink`	George`Depressed, okay
`01:02.32`	`kergoth`	George`Depressed: heh, i'm serious. i didnt want to work in computers, but it was the best way to make $
`01:02.33`	`Twiun`	`heatxsink: loves himself far too much for now`
`01:02.36`	George`Depressed	`heatxsink: I'm an asexual wannabe kernel developer :)`
`01:02.42`	`heatxsink`	`hahaha`
`01:02.43`	`heatxsink`	`ahh`
`01:02.50`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: what did you want to do?`
`01:02.52`	`heatxsink`	`so that must have been your posting I read`
`01:03.02`	George`Depressed	`fuck you`
`01:03.03`	`kergoth`	George`Depressed: had no idea. still dont
`01:03.16`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: hey, computer stuff is fun :P`
`01:03.26`	`heatxsink`	George`Depressed, until there's deadlines
`01:03.28`	`kergoth`	`went to college for a year, still no idea. failed classes, gave up, worked retail and warehouse jobs, then went into tech support and subsequently embedded`
`01:03.32`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`01:03.33`	`ChipX86`	`fun, in a frustrating "KILL ME NOW" sort of way`
`01:03.42`	`treke\|wherever`	`that is half of the fun`
`01:03.42`	`kergoth`	`ChipX86: indeed`
`01:03.46`	`Twiun`	`Yeah... sounds familiar`
`01:03.55`	George`Depressed	`yes`
`01:04.00`	George`Depressed	`well I still have university to go`
`01:04.06`	`kergoth`	`the whole educational system "you should know waht you want to be when you grow up already" is fucking stupid`
`01:04.16`	`kergoth`	`how the hell should you have any idea at that age`
`01:04.17`	George`Depressed	`and I'll try everything I can to get into Cambridge`
`01:04.18`	`heatxsink`	`kergoth, I agree`
`01:04.41`	`heatxsink`	`kergoth, perhaps they are trying to force the idea of "setting your goals and reaching them"`
`01:04.42`	`Twiun`	George`Depressed: Money generally works well I've been told
`01:04.43`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: well, I basically knew from the start :)`
`01:04.57`	`heatxsink`	`kergoth, which doesn't work for everyone`
`01:04.57`	George`Depressed	`Twiun: hah, i've got that :)`
`01:04.57`	`W8TVI`	`hey, I'm going to be 24 in less than a month, and I still dont know what I want to be.`
`01:05.02`	`kergoth`	`heatxsink: well, its fine in theory, but goals that far off are unreasonable`
`01:05.07`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`01:05.11`	`heatxsink`	`kergoth, correct`
`01:05.18`	`kergoth`	`i mean, setting a goal for me for 15 years from now would be insane`
`01:05.19`	George`Depressed	`Twiun: cambridge is cheaper than my current school`
`01:05.24`	`heatxsink`	`kergoth, I guess there should be some realism to your goals then?`
`01:05.24`	`kergoth`	`far too much is gonna happen over that period`
`01:05.26`	`heatxsink`	`kergoth, hahaahah`
`01:05.29`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: heh, fuck goals :)`
`01:05.34`	`treke\|wherever`	`the problem with setting goals is that you would be setting a goal based on very little accurate information`
`01:05.36`	`ChipX86`	`I know what I want to be. I just can't get there yet because I don't have that little slip of paper I need to get into a company`
`01:05.39`	George`Depressed	`kergoth: it's all about doing nothing!!! :DDD`
`01:05.41`	`kergoth`	`treke\|wherever: yup`
`01:05.50`	`kergoth`	`ChipX86: heh, what do you want to be?`
`01:06.05`	`ChipX86`	`software development, in pretty much any area`
`01:06.08`	`heatxsink`	`ChipX86, where are you from?`
`01:06.11`	`ChipX86`	`California`
`01:06.18`	`heatxsink`	`ChipX86, what part?`
`01:06.30`	`kergoth`	`i was always torn between theoretical physics, philosophy, mathematics, physical training, and teaching`
`01:06.35`	`ChipX86`	`north valley`
`01:06.35`	George`Depressed	`I want to be in s/w research or something... security pays well I've heard :P`
`01:06.36`	`kergoth`	`and ended up in embedded linux.`
`01:06.39`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`01:06.56`	George`Depressed	`I've been addicted to embedded linux for like 4 years now though`
`01:06.58`	`heatxsink`	`ChipX86, North Valley? Northern California? Southern California? Central California?`
`01:07.04`	`ChipX86`	`northern california`
`01:07.15`	`heatxsink`	`ChipX86, you almost out?`
`01:07.31`	`ChipX86`	`no :/`
`01:07.41`	`treke\|wherever`	`I spend way too much time at work to hate my job`
`01:07.41`	`heatxsink`	`ChipX86, what is your major?`
`01:07.45`	`ChipX86`	`computer science`
`01:07.48`	`treke\|wherever`	`I dont want to be like my parents :)`
`01:07.50`	`*** join/#zaurus chouimat (~chouimat@r2351064.cidc.net)`
`01:07.52`	`kergoth`	`as far as i'm concerned, every job i'm in is going to get boring and uninteresting`
`01:07.54`	`ChipX86`	`finishing up the general ed, but they just added requirements, so I'm there longer doing that`
`01:07.57`	`kergoth`	`but yeah, i agree wrt hating it.`
`01:08.15`	George`Depressed	`ok, I'm going to sleep now.. for real`
`01:08.17`	George`Depressed	`nite`
`01:08.22`	`kergoth`	`night george`
`01:08.23`	`treke\|wherever`	`my mother has been counting the days til retirement as long as i can remember`
`01:08.28`	George`Depressed	`cya kergoth, and i'll start my kergoth killing campaign tomorrow`
`01:08.28`	`heatxsink`	nite George`Depressed
`01:08.33`	`heatxsink`	George`Depressed, chin up
`01:08.34`	`kergoth`	`treke\|wherever: jeeze, that must suck`
`01:08.39`	`treke\|wherever`	`one year left`
`01:09.11`	`treke\|wherever`	`shes actually on easy street now`
`01:09.19`	`treke\|wherever`	`since they cant do shit to her since she's suing them :)`
`01:09.48`	`heatxsink`	`whoa`
`01:09.49`	`heatxsink`	`hah`
`01:14.04`	`chouimat`	`hmmm /me need a job where he can but his office near a beach ... so if the job became boring he just need to look at the window`
`01:14.48`	`W8TVI`	`chouimat, they would give you the office facing away from the beach`
`01:14.53`	`treke\|wherever`	`its funny.`
`01:15.10`	`treke\|wherever`	`I've lived within 10 miles of a beach for the last 4 years. been to the beach less than a half dozen times`
`01:15.13`	`chouimat`	`treke\|wherever: wherever?`
`01:15.21`	`omin0us`	`does anyone here use AfterStep?`
`01:15.30`	`kergoth`	`heh, i havent used afterstep in years`
`01:15.45`	`treke\|wherever`	`they just had a major release, didnt they?`
`01:15.55`	`kergoth`	`yeah, 2.0 or something`
`01:16.00`	`omin0us`	`i have it working in our X11 ROM, but i'm wondering if its worth packaging up for people to use`
`01:16.00`	`W8TVI`	`afterstep? whats that?`
`01:16.02`	`kergoth`	`checked it out.. nothing spectacular`
`01:16.06`	`treke\|wherever`	`window manager`
`01:16.06`	`omin0us`	`also got Gkrellm working`
`01:16.14`	`treke\|wherever`	`omin0us: It never hurts to package things.`
`01:16.17`	`chouimat`	`W8TVI: my office has a window that face the neightbourg swimming pool ... and he's 15 years old daughter is cute`
`01:16.20`	`kergoth`	`omin0us: add it to OE`
`01:16.28`	`kergoth`	`treke\|wherever: got Xft building`
`01:16.33`	`kergoth`	`treke\|wherever: adding pango next`
`01:16.40`	`omin0us`	`kergoth: this is for our Cacko X11 ROM`
`01:16.43`	`treke\|wherever`	`kergoth is after the tough bitches.`
`01:16.46`	`kergoth`	`omin0us: i know.`
`01:16.46`	`treke\|wherever`	`omin0us: so? :p`
`01:17.04`	`kergoth`	`i use OE to build native rpms for redhat from time to time`
`01:17.06`	`omin0us`	`oh yeah, i forgot you guys will have GPE on OE`
`01:17.06`	`chouimat`	`s/he's/his`
`01:17.16`	`kergoth`	`i dont think buliding you an ipk to use on cacko will be exactly tough`
`01:17.16`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`01:17.23`	`omin0us`	`no, it won't`
`01:18.00`	`omin0us`	`i have allready released fluxbox for Cacko, but i don't know if anyone even uses AfterStep, but i suppose i'll build an ipk anyways`
`01:18.09`	`treke\|wherever`	`we need to talk with sash and pb about packaging`
`01:18.18`	`kergoth`	`treke\|wherever: yeah`
`01:18.19`	`treke\|wherever`	`so we can keep constistant package naming :)`
`01:18.31`	`kergoth`	`someone needs to talk sash into using OE to build his stuff`
`01:18.34`	`treke\|wherever`	`no point in making dependencies any messier than necessarry`
`01:19.55`	`kergoth`	`treke\|wherever: only libICE, libSM, and libXcursor are left, wrt the fd.o lib/header packages`
`01:20.02`	`treke\|wherever`	`ah cool`
`01:20.10`	`kergoth`	`all the deps seem correct`
`01:20.12`	`kergoth`	`was a pain in the ass`
`01:20.12`	`treke\|wherever`	`I should take a stab at some more to night`
`01:20.26`	`treke\|wherever`	`I got stuck on one of them originaly, but it sounds like you got it fixed`
`01:21.08`	`kergoth`	find tmp/base/xft-cvs-1.0-r0/ -name \.c -o -name \.h -o -name \.cpp\|xargs grep -r '#include.X11/'\|awk '{print $2}'\|sed -e's,^<,,;s,^",,;s,>$,,;s,"$,,;'\|for i in `cat`; do base=`basename $i`; files=`find tmp/base/ -name $base`; if test -z "$files"; then echo >&2 $i missing; else for j in $files; do echo $j; done; fi; done
`01:21.09`	`W8TVI`	`installing opera (7.11.9553) to ram`
`01:21.19`	`kergoth`	`evil hack. finds #include lines and locates the package that seems to provide it`
`01:21.24`	`treke\|wherever`	`need to figure out what to do with the kernel`
`01:21.29`	`kergoth`	`used that to determine which x extensions depended on which header packages`
`01:21.30`	`treke\|wherever`	`thats kind of a sticking point`
`01:21.34`	`kergoth`	`ah, yeah`
`01:21.50`	`W8TVI`	`fun`
`01:21.51`	`W8TVI`	`my buttons are gone`
`01:22.10`	`treke\|wherever`	`not sure what there is we can do about the problem though`
`01:22.14`	`kergoth`	`w8tvi: heh, you need that one symlink`
`01:22.22`	`W8TVI`	`whats the fix? ipkg-link mount /mnt/ram/?`
`01:22.41`	`W8TVI`	`this is the FIRST time I have ever had this problem`
`01:22.42`	`W8TVI`	`lol`
`01:22.51`	`kergoth`	`no, its some link from /usr/share/operabuttons to /opt/QtPalmtop/somethingorother`
`01:22.54`	`kergoth`	`or something like that`
`01:23.00`	`W8TVI`	`hrmm...`
`01:23.07`	`kergoth`	`search the ML archives`
`01:23.13`	`kergoth`	`its been brought up before with teh old creators`
`01:23.13`	`W8TVI`	`ibot opera buttons`
`01:23.14`		`methinks opera buttons is ln -s /home/QtPalmtop/opera /usr/share/opera`
`01:23.17`	`kergoth`	`ah, there ya go`
`01:23.18`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`01:23.40`	`W8TVI`	`heh`
`01:23.48`	`kergoth`	`ibot: no, opera buttons is ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/opera /usr/share/opera`
`01:23.49`		`okay, kergoth`
`01:23.58`	`kergoth`	`peopel shouldnt be using /home/QtPalmtop unnecessarily`
`01:24.42`	`W8TVI`	`er...`
`01:24.55`	`W8TVI`	`that didnt fix it`
`01:25.01`	`kergoth`	`heh, did you quit and restart it?`
`01:25.06`	`W8TVI`	`yep`
`01:25.10`	`kergoth`	`odd`
`01:26.52`	`W8TVI`	`ok, nether of the links work`
`01:27.35`	`W8TVI`	`opera: Could not find "ini/standard_mouse.ini"`
`01:27.38`	`W8TVI`	`opera: Could not find "ini/standard_keyboard.ini"`
`01:27.38`	`W8TVI`	`opera: Could not initialize VXML component, errno = -1`
`01:27.51`	`W8TVI`	`no idea if thats normal`
`01:28.12`	`W8TVI`	`never started it at the CLI`
`01:28.52`	`Twiun`	`bits missing from that package?`
`01:29.16`	`W8TVI`	`shouldnt be...`
`01:31.02`	`*** join/#zaurus CodeWarrior (~hisham@home.hisham.cc)`
`01:31.20`	`W8TVI`	`the butons are there`
`01:32.14`	`*** join/#zaurus djk (~djk@ool-44c14684.dyn.optonline.net)`
`01:32.18`	`W8TVI`	`data.tar.gz\.\home\QtPalmtop\opera\buttons`
`01:33.48`	`Twiun`	`what about those .ini files?`
`01:34.16`	`Twiun`	`could try stracing opera, see if there's something else it's looking for`
`01:34.17`	`W8TVI`	`the buttons are in /mnt/ram/home/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons`
`01:34.33`	`W8TVI`	`/home/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons/ has links to the real dir`
`01:34.42`	`W8TVI`	`how do you do that?`
`01:36.15`	`Twiun`	`ln -s /mnt/ram/home/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons/* /home/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons/ ?`
`01:36.26`	`Twiun`	`off the top of my head`
`01:36.33`	`W8TVI`	`its done already`
`01:36.54`	`W8TVI`	`they are linked already`
`01:37.35`	`Twiun`	`oh, right.`
`01:37.35`	`Reddog-[Away]`	`grr.. fscking sourceforge`
`01:37.46`	`kergoth`	`Reddog-[Away]: indeed`
`01:38.42`	`Reddog-[Away]`	`and it 'says' the download site is up, but it's not`
`01:38.50`	`kergoth`	`"the download site"?`
`01:38.53`	`kergoth`	`pick a mirror any mirror`
`01:39.10`	`Reddog-[Away]`	`download.sourceforge.net`
`01:39.14`	`Reddog-[Away]`	`wont connect`
`01:39.39`	`Reddog-[Away]`	`can't even get to the mirrors list`
`01:39.42`	`W8TVI`	`hmmm`
`01:39.46`	`W8TVI`	`! C:\Documents and Settings\Noel\Local Settings\Temp\Rar$DI00.677\data.tar.gz: Cannot open ..\buttons (..\buttons --> home\QtPalmtop\opera\doc\buttons)`
`01:39.46`	`W8TVI`	`! C:\Documents and Settings\Noel\Local Settings\Temp\Rar$DI00.677\data.tar.gz: Cannot open doc (doc --> home\QtPalmtop\opera\help)`
`01:40.04`	`W8TVI`	`odd`
`01:40.35`	`Twiun`	`don't think winrar likes symlinks`
`01:40.49`	`W8TVI`	`heh`
`01:40.55`	`Twiun`	`especially if they point to nonexistant resources`
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`01:42.27`	`chuckr`	`If I may ask for rumors from the future, I would like to get some idea what might be OZ's plans wrt x11: to be honest, I rather like what I saw with the UI from sash, but I like OZ's openness (and that counts for more than a little with me, if you'll remember the argument about bk)`
`01:43.08`	`kergoth`	`chuckr: we'll end up producing OZ images using X11 from freedesktop.org CVS, using matchbox and probably gpe by default`
`01:43.13`	`kergoth`	`chuckr: in addition to the normal opie ones`
`01:43.24`	`kergoth`	`i'm currently working on getting GPE building from our tools`
`01:44.03`	`chuckr`	`I'm quite pleased to hear that, thanks`
`01:44.09`	`chouimat`	`kergoth: treke\|wherever anything new today?`
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`01:44.24`	`kergoth`	`chuckr: so, feel free to grab the tools and start adding more X packages to the build ;)`
`01:45.21`	`chuckr`	`I have the xmas week off, until then, I am behind on work matters, I can't contribute too much. I'll just be learning Linux, learning the kernel code`
`01:45.31`	`kergoth`	`cool, np`
`01:46.02`	`chuckr`	`I like kernel better than x11, but x11 is cool, because many folks will leave me alone there, they don't like imake, and I do.`
`01:46.58`	`Twiun`	`chuckr: you're welcome to imake :)`
`01:47.25`	`chuckr`	`I have recently learned python, and I really, really like that; I'd kinda like the idea of having python possibly replace sh. If sh could be rewritten in python, it would make for a great auto ui`
`01:47.44`	`Twiun`	`if somewhat bulky unfortunately`
`01:47.49`	`chuckr`	`true`
`01:48.05`	`chuckr`	`and in pdas that's just too important to let go`
`01:48.21`	`Twiun`	`well, for now at least :)`
`01:48.27`	`Twiun`	`keep the idea around`
`01:48.57`	`chuckr`	`I know, that was dumb, but I just finished writing a big app in perl, and I was ALREADY embarrassed at teh code quality. I rewrote it in python, and I'm completely ready for a code reivew, and proud of it`
`01:49.52`	`chuckr`	`I haveta learn the debugger, that's the only part I haven't really learned.`
`01:50.21`	`chuckr`	`I saw that oxygen is a base part of OZ. That's unusual. Not wrong, just unusual`
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`01:51.26`	`chuckr`	`I always thought one of the strongest parts of Java was javadocs; actually, javadocs was one of the strongest reasons I saw for using java. I like good docs`
`01:52.14`	`W8TVI`	`hmm`
`01:52.18`	`W8TVI`	`# Platform-specific settings for iPAQ 36xx/37xx QNX 6.x`
`01:52.25`	`chuckr`	`I'm drifting offtopic, sorry`
`01:53.10`	`kergoth`	`doh, pango needs glib 2.1.3`
`01:53.14`	`kergoth`	`and i added 2.0.7`
`01:53.15`	`kergoth`	`:\`
`01:54.01`	`Twiun`	`chuckr: you're talking to a Java dev :)`
`01:54.17`	`Twiun`	`chuckr: but Doxygen is good too, and it can grok javadoc syntax`
`01:54.32`	`ChipX86`	`yay for doxygen :)`
`01:54.39`	`Twiun`	`no worries, we go offtopic quite often`
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`01:58.40`	`W8TVI`	`hmmm`
`01:58.56`	`W8TVI`	`I think I might do what I tell others to do, reinstall it`
`01:59.00`	`W8TVI`	`(opera)`
`01:59.28`	`Twiun`	`always a good plan`
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`02:08.44`	`chouimat\|Zzzz`	`night`
`02:10.14`	`W8TVI`	`hmmm`
`02:10.29`	`W8TVI`	`reinstalled it and its still not showing the icons`
`02:10.34`	`W8TVI`	`toolbar`
`02:14.06`	`weez\|working`	`W8TVI: opera on a C7xx>`
`02:14.09`	`weez\|working`	`er ?`
`02:14.20`	`W8TVI`	`no, opera 7 on a 5500`
`02:14.30`	`Bala`	`"<erek> zinx: why would overvolting the cpu destroy it?"`
`02:14.36`	`Bala`	`some people :(`
`02:14.48`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`02:14.59`	`weez\|working`	`W8TVI: because it does that on a c7xx, let me find the magic incantation real quick, perhaps it will solve your problem..`
`02:15.02`	`Bala`	`as he complains that everythign keeps locking up on him`
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`02:15.19`	`W8TVI`	`it does have a postinst...`
`02:15.47`	`W8TVI`	`but nothing about hte icons`
`02:16.03`	`W8TVI`	`hmm`
`02:16.05`	`W8TVI`	`cp /home/zaurus/.opera/opera6i.cfg /etc/`
`02:16.05`	`W8TVI`	`rm /home/zaurus/.opera/opera6i.cfg`
`02:16.43`	`weez\|working`	`ln -s /opt/QtPalmtop/opera /usr/share/opera`
`02:16.57`	`weez\|working`	`is needed on a c700 after installing the ipk`
`02:17.08`	`weez\|working`	`check to see if that link is around on your install`
`02:17.20`	`W8TVI`	`# ln -s /opt/QtPalmtop/opera /usr/share/opera`
`02:17.21`	`W8TVI`	`ln: /usr/share/opera/opera: File exists`
`02:17.39`	`weez\|working`	`W8TVI: damn`
`02:19.33`	`weez\|working`	`does /opt/QtPalmtop/opera have the buttons directory?`
`02:20.34`	`W8TVI`	`yep`
`02:20.46`	`W8TVI`	`and they are even linked to the real buttons`
`02:21.09`	`Twiun`	`perms on the real files?`
`02:21.15`	`W8TVI`	`hmmm`
`02:21.17`	`W8TVI`	`hold on`
`02:21.30`	`weez\|working`	`they are all links? prolly doesnt matter, but mine are the real files..`
`02:21.49`	`W8TVI`	`I dont have room in / for the real files`
`02:21.55`	`weez\|working`	`ahh, i see`
`02:21.59`	`W8TVI`	`its linked from ram`
`02:22.13`	`weez\|working`	`i cant imagine a link not working..`
`02:22.38`	`W8TVI`	`ok, those are linked to another place in ram...`
`02:22.44`	`W8TVI`	`and the links are 777`
`02:23.01`	`weez\|working`	`what are the real file permissions?`
`02:23.09`	`W8TVI`	`one of them is 644`
`02:23.28`	`W8TVI`	`looks like 644 on all (or most)`
`02:23.31`	`weez\|working`	`thats what I got`
`02:23.34`	`W8TVI`	`change to 777?`
`02:23.36`	`weez\|working`	`root, qpe`
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`02:48.31`	`treke\|ho1e`	`fsck`
`02:48.37`	`treke\|ho1e`	`just accidently reflashed my zaurus`
`02:49.51`	`W8TVI`	`how did you do that?`
`02:50.23`	`treke\|ho1e`	`I booted into the reflash menu hoping to test soemthing, ended up booting the openzaurus updater.sh`
`02:51.02`	`ChipX86`	`that sucks :/`
`02:51.29`	`treke\|ho1e`	`yeah. Dont think I have backups of the image I was using :(`
`02:51.59`	`ChipX86`	`:(`
`02:57.26`	`treke\|ho1e`	`on the bright side, it looks like encsh doesnt bork binary data`
`03:06.53`	`mithro`	`encsh?`
`03:08.19`	`treke\|ho1e`	`tool for encoding shell scripts`
`03:13.24`	`W8TVI`	`fixed it`
`03:13.26`	`W8TVI`	`ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons /usr/share/opera/buttons`
`03:13.50`	`W8TVI`	`ibot opera buttons`
`03:13.52`		`rumour has it, opera buttons is ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/opera /usr/share/opera`
`03:14.05`	`treke\|ho1e`	`went to see return of the king. Caught what I think was a linux reference from the SFX guys :)`
`03:14.16`	`W8TVI`	`ibot opera buttons is also on opera 7 use ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons /usr/share/opera/buttons`
`03:14.17`		`W8TVI: okay`
`03:14.20`	`W8TVI`	`ibot opera buttons`
`03:14.21`		`methinks opera buttons is ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/opera /usr/share/opera, or on opera 7 use ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons /usr/share/opera/buttons`
`03:14.27`	`W8TVI`	`heh`
`03:14.50`	`treke\|ho1e`	`there was a penguin wrapped in a spider web hanging in shelobs cave`
`03:15.11`	`treke\|ho1e`	`and I cant figure out any other logical reason for it :p`
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`03:15.30`	`darien_`	`anyone here have the 760?`
`03:17.02`	`darien_`	`anyone here at all?`
`03:17.06`	`W8TVI`	`no`
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`03:23.49`	`omin0us`	`what is libgcc_s.so.1?`
`03:25.16`	`treke\|ho1e`	`it's a gcc library`
`03:25.33`	`treke\|ho1e`	`generally very important`
`03:32.13`	`omin0us`	`yeah, i found it`
`03:32.26`	`omin0us`	`unfortunantly, it needs GLIBC_2.3`
`03:32.27`	`omin0us`	`:(`
`03:32.32`	`omin0us`	`i hate that sometimes`
`03:34.00`	`omin0us`	`anything good nowdays i swear requires that now`
`03:34.20`	`ChipX86`	`pfft, glibc isn't that important`
`03:34.49`	`omin0us`	`i always get these errors now`
`03:35.19`	`omin0us`	: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.2.4' not found (required by /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so.1)
`03:35.44`	`omin0us`	: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /usr/lib/libpcap.so.0.7)
`03:40.01`	`treke\|ho1e`	`you shouldnt get that if you arent installing third party software`
`03:40.22`	`treke\|ho1e`	`and most third party stuff is built with gcc 3.2 and glibc 2.3`
`03:45.13`	`omin0us`	`i am installing 3rd party software right now`
`03:45.22`	`omin0us`	`i was trying to get airsnort to work`
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`04:23.03`	`treke\|ho1e`	`omin0us: scite looks like it would be a good editor for the x11 images`
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`04:32.01`	`weez\|working`	`W8TVI: glad to here you fixed it`
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`04:33.16`	`W8TVI`	`s/here/hear`
`04:33.21`	`W8TVI`	`heh`
`04:33.32`	`weez\|working`	`W8TVI: oopz`
`04:34.09`	`weez\|working`	`W8TVI: s'what i get for having a fark boobies link open behind xchat`
`04:34.28`	`W8TVI`	`lol`
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`04:39.03`	`treke\|ho1e`	`never mind`
`04:39.06`	`treke\|ho1e`	`no longer gpl`
`04:39.57`	`treke\|ho1e`	`nope. I'm just blind`
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`04:41.59`	`Pendalar`	`W8TVI: I'm sure you are going to post for all of us on how you did it ;-)`
`04:44.01`	`W8TVI`	`Pendalar, nope`
`04:44.05`	`W8TVI`	`j/k`
`04:44.59`	`W8TVI`	`strace:`
`04:45.00`	`W8TVI`	`access("/usr/share/opera/buttons/custom/", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`04:45.00`	`W8TVI`	`open("/usr/share/opera/buttons/opno_sec.xpm", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)`
`04:45.18`	`Pendalar`	`ah not done?`
`04:45.21`	`W8TVI`	`so I had it link the buttons dir`
`04:45.31`	`W8TVI`	`ibot opera buttons`
`04:45.33`		`i heard opera buttons is ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/opera /usr/share/opera, or on opera 7 use ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons /usr/share/opera/buttons`
`04:45.54`	`Pendalar`	`no neat lil .oe file?`
`04:45.59`	`W8TVI`	`nope`
`04:46.06`	`W8TVI`	`this is for opera 7.11`
`04:46.09`	`W8TVI`	`not 6`
`04:46.22`	`W8TVI`	`I've never had trouble with 6`
`04:46.52`	`Pendalar`	`but you did compile it right?`
`04:46.55`	`W8TVI`	`nope`
`04:47.10`	`W8TVI`	`got the ipk from IBM`
`04:47.37`	`Pendalar`	`one command and it's ready to go?`
`04:47.43`	`W8TVI`	`yep`
`04:47.48`	`Pendalar`	`I thought it was for the sl5600 based on what I read`
`04:48.23`	`W8TVI`	`you got to get the opera ipk out of the ipk they have, but it works just fine`
`04:49.03`	`Pendalar`	`ok, I just thought I had better wait with the sl5600 refs and myself having a sl5500`
`04:50.03`	`omin0us`	`W8TVI: what are you installing on? c7x0?`
`04:50.08`	`W8TVI`	`5500`
`04:50.11`	`omin0us`	`oh`
`04:50.21`	`omin0us`	`can you plug in a mic and use the voice commands?`
`04:50.30`	`W8TVI`	`don't know`
`04:50.33`	`W8TVI`	`I guess`
`04:50.44`	`omin0us`	`well, you won't know till you try`
`04:51.06`	`W8TVI`	`dont really care, and I dont think I got everything installed that I need to do that`
`04:51.26`	`omin0us`	`then what did you install it for?`
`04:51.46`	`omin0us`	`what besides that makes it better than opera 7 for the Z?`
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`04:51.48`	`W8TVI`	`wanted the lastest version :P`
`04:52.02`	`omin0us`	`opps, i mean better than opera 6*`
`04:52.09`	`W8TVI`	`Opera Palmtop can be configured to automatically download a set of web pages to your device, for local offline browsing later. When autosurfing Opera save the specified web pages to your Zaurus, possibly with images, and with linked documents. All pages set up for autosurfing get their own entry under Autosurf in the main menu, and you may start autosurfing the site by selecting this, or you may configure a day and time when Opera will initiate the au`
`04:52.09`	`W8TVI`	`tosurfing by itself.`
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`05:10.20`	`W8TVI`	`heh`
`05:10.21`	`W8TVI`	`http://www.zaurususergroup.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=682`
`05:10.32`	`treke\|ho1e`	`hmmm. doesnt fix some of the stuff I really hate, but those would be easy fixes`
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`05:31.59`	`W8TVI`	`hah`
`05:32.13`	`W8TVI`	`http://www.superpawn.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=SuperPawn&category%5Fname=PDAs&product%5Fid=1140148`
`05:34.57`	`weez\|working`	`W8TVI: i am assuming the opera 7 IPK is not available to the general public?`
`05:35.27`	`W8TVI`	`http://www.zaurususergroup.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=672`
`05:41.18`	`weez\|working`	`looks like they pulled that account or something as it asks for a username/password`
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`05:42.46`	`weez\|working`	`or possibly they blocked the referrer, cuz I plugged the link into a new opera page and it works...`
`05:43.06`	`weez\|working`	`oops not`
`05:44.16`	`W8TVI`	`you got to get an account`
`05:44.21`	`W8TVI`	`free`
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`05:46.34`	`weez\|working`	`i was just looking at the license....`
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`05:55.05`	`DeadZ_Z`	`hello?`
`05:55.16`	`W8TVI`	`good bye`
`05:55.21`	`DeadZ_Z`	`I think I gotta fix my firewall here...`
`05:55.47`	`DeadZ_Z`	`I see 74 people, but I don't hear anyone...`
`05:56.00`	`DeadZ_Z`	`And I'm getting reports of blocked packets`
`05:56.46`	`weez\|working`	`its kinda dead in here`
`05:56.49`	`DeadZ_Z`	`ah`
`05:57.05`	`DeadZ_Z`	`I'm a "noob" to IRC`
`05:57.10`	`weez\|working`	`ahh`
`05:57.23`	`DeadZ_Z`	`lol`
`05:57.31`	`DeadZ_Z`	`You a ham?`
`05:57.36`	`Pendalar`	`generally try not to tell people you don't know what you are doing, unless you can't fake well`
`05:57.37`	`DeadZ_Z`	`W8TVI`
`05:57.41`	`W8TVI`	`what do you think?`
`05:57.46`	`DeadZ_Z`	`lol`
`05:57.47`	`DeadZ_Z`	`me too`
`05:57.57`	`Pendalar`	`W8TVI is tofurkey, not ham`
`05:58.07`	`DeadZ_Z`	`ookay`
`05:58.32`	`DeadZ_Z`	`My Z is dead.`
`05:58.42`	`Pendalar`	`it bugs me the file ends in _sl5600.ipk`
`05:58.51`	`Captain-Obvious`	`ignore it`
`05:58.59`	`Pendalar`	`we shall buy flowers and mourn for your loss`
`05:59.15`	`weez\|working`	`no day is complete without a visit from Captain-Obvious`
`05:59.15`	`DeadZ_Z`	`I still have hope`
`05:59.15`	`Captain-Obvious`	`just get the opera ipk out of the ipk that you downloaded`
`05:59.23`	`weez\|working`	`:)`
`05:59.31`	`DeadZ_Z`	`Sorta`
`05:59.37`	`Captain-Obvious`	`Captain-Obvious to the rescue!`
`05:59.37`	`Pendalar`	`don't install all of it?`
`05:59.42`	`Captain-Obvious`	`right`
`05:59.42`	`DeadZ_Z`	`Flashing went wrong...`
`05:59.51`	`Pendalar`	`the other stuff not any count?`
`05:59.52`	`Captain-Obvious`	`DeadZ_Z, reflash`
`06:00.00`	`DeadZ_Z`	`Checked on the CF card and it said the kernel image was 0kb`
`06:00.11`	`Captain-Obvious`	`dont thing you need any of the other stuff`
`06:00.14`	`DeadZ_Z`	`I wiped the card and put new files on`
`06:00.23`	`Captain-Obvious`	`DeadZ_Z, redownload, reflash`
`06:00.27`	`DeadZ_Z`	`Checked the md5 sums, etc.`
`06:00.33`	`DeadZ_Z`	`Reflashed`
`06:00.36`	`DeadZ_Z`	`It seemed to go well...`
`06:00.48`	`DeadZ_Z`	`Whole sequence went normally, except...`
`06:00.52`	`DeadZ_Z`	`It still won't boot`
`06:01.12`	`DeadZ_Z`	`Not even power-on`
`06:01.50`	`Pendalar`	`sharprom, oz?`
`06:01.55`	`Pendalar`	`what did you name the files?`
`06:02.00`	`Pendalar`	`what FS is on your CF card?`
`06:02.07`	`Captain-Obvious`	`DeadZ_Z, try bringing it up by pressing d+p+fullreset`
`06:02.19`	`DeadZ_Z`	`k`
`06:02.24`	`Pendalar`	`d+p? what does that do`
`06:02.29`	`DeadZ_Z`	`brb`
`06:02.33`	`Pendalar`	`I've only used c+d`
`06:02.44`	`Captain-Obvious`	`the diag menu`
`06:02.53`	`Captain-Obvious`	`I think its d+p`
`06:02.54`	`DeadZ_Z`	`WHOA`
`06:03.01`	`DeadZ_Z`	`Screen is on at least`
`06:03.03`	`DeadZ_Z`	`cool`
`06:03.03`	`Captain-Obvious`	`did it come up?`
`06:03.09`	`Captain-Obvious`	`ok, your Z isn't dead then`
`06:03.22`	`DeadZ_Z`	`phew]`
`06:03.22`	`Pendalar`	`I must have missed model info..`
`06:03.32`	`Pendalar`	`didn't notice it was a c model`
`06:03.40`	`DeadZ_Z`	`It isn't`
`06:03.42`	`DeadZ_Z`	`That is so bizarre`
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`06:03.53`	`DeadZ_Z`	`I've only heard of the diag menu on the c7x0...`
`06:05.16`	`DeadZ_Z`	`Hmm... I'm assuming "NG" on the flash checksum test stands for "no good"?`
`06:05.16`	`Pendalar`	`heh`
`06:05.33`	`Pendalar`	`I have had this damn unit for 1.5 year and didn't know it had a diag menu`
`06:05.43`	`Pendalar`	`no one tells me anything`
`06:05.49`	`Captain-Obvious`	`it'll mess up your ram disk I think`
`06:06.12`	`Captain-Obvious`	`the cool thing about it is the tuchscreen works in it`
`06:07.18`	`DeadZ_Z`	`ooh, you can manually control battery chargin`
`06:07.25`	`DeadZ_Z`	`charging*`
`06:07.42`	`Captain-Obvious`	`cool`
`06:09.08`	`Captain-Obvious`	`looks like there are enough things in here to really mess it up`
`06:09.17`	`Captain-Obvious`	`it'll let you erase the flash`
`06:09.40`	`DeadZ_Z`	`hmm, that might actually be good in my situation`
`06:09.47`	`Captain-Obvious`	`yeah`
`06:10.40`	`DeadZ_Z`	`An interesting thing is that when I did the CF check I got a few errors...`
`06:10.44`	`DeadZ_Z`	`but they flashed by too fast`
`06:10.57`	`DeadZ_Z`	`It's a crappy SunDisk card`
`06:11.11`	`DeadZ_Z`	`So that might be part of it`
`06:11.25`	`DeadZ_Z`	`Although I have successfully flashed on three previous occasions using it`
`06:11.55`	`DeadZ_Z`	`I'm trying the flash again, this time from the "CF Update" option in the menu instead of the C+D trick`
`06:12.07`	`Captain-Obvious`	`worth a try`
`06:12.23`	`DeadZ_Z`	`By the way, where was the option specifically to erase the flash?`
`06:12.27`	`DeadZ_Z`	`I didn't see it`
`06:12.34`	`Captain-Obvious`	`yeah`
`06:13.23`	`Captain-Obvious`	`diag menu 4`
`06:13.29`	`Captain-Obvious`	`2 flash tools`
`06:14.08`	`Captain-Obvious`	`I"m trying it to see what happens`
`06:14.25`	`DeadZ_Z`	`Hey, I only have 3 menu pages`
`06:14.34`	`Captain-Obvious`	`what zaurus?`
`06:14.53`	`DeadZ_Z`	`SL-5500`
`06:15.03`	`Captain-Obvious`	`hmmm`
`06:17.02`	`DeadZ_Z`	`Methinks I need a new CF card`
`06:17.30`	`DeadZ_Z`	`But it's great to know that the Z's not broken`
`06:17.37`	`DeadZ_Z`	`Thanks guys`
`06:17.45`	`DeadZ_Z`	`I had no idea about the diag menu`
`06:17.58`	`DeadZ_Z`	`Knew the c7x0 had it but not the SL's`
`06:18.02`	`Captain-Obvious`	`np`
`06:18.10`	`DeadZ_Z`	`I shall be going...`
`06:18.23`	`DeadZ_Z`	`Farewell`
`06:32.12`	`Captain-Obvious`	`hmmm`
`06:32.30`	`Captain-Obvious`	`tkc uses kernel 2.4.18`
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`06:50.03`	`Pend-Gone`	`Captain-Obvious: I don't see anything 'unnecessary' in the ipk`
`06:50.34`	`Captain-Obvious`	`well it wont install on my 5500`
`06:50.34`	`Pend-Gone`	`other than there's supposed to be 2 examples`
`06:50.42`	`Pend-Gone`	`rm them out and it should be good`
`06:50.46`	`Pend-Gone`	`heeey now you said it'd work =-P`
`06:50.50`	`Captain-Obvious`	`you need the opera ipk out of the ipk that you download`
`06:51.46`	`Pend-Gone`	`I see no sub ipk file`
`06:52.00`	`Captain-Obvious`	`its in there`
`06:52.01`	`Pend-Gone`	`n/m`
`06:52.04`	`Pend-Gone`	`wrong console`
`06:52.08`	`Captain-Obvious`	`lol`
`06:52.14`	`Pend-Gone`	`I need to stop naming all dirs 'test'`
`06:52.15`	`Pend-Gone`	`that'd help a lot`
`06:55.07`	`Pend-Gone`	`doing the crap about can't find packages`
`06:55.20`	`Pend-Gone`	`it's right there you annoying thing`
`06:55.24`	`Pend-Gone`	`and I deleted all feed info out`
`06:55.27`	`Pend-Gone`	`=-p`
`06:55.33`	`Captain-Obvious`	`lol`
`07:00.15`	`Pend-Gone`	`I think my CF is dying`
`07:00.34`	`Pend-Gone`	`tar xf data.tar => tar: ./home/QtPalmtop: Not a directory`
`07:00.41`	`Pend-Gone`	`it's creating home as a file, not a dir`
`07:00.49`	`Pend-Gone`	`unlike my linux box which did right`
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`07:04.56`	`Pend-Gone`	`I think if you delete out ../opera/apps that's about all the 'waste' there is from the base package`
`07:05.12`	`Pend-Gone`	`those config scripts from the base look important and have opera refs`
`07:05.56`	`Captain-Obvious`	`works fine with out it`
`07:06.06`	`Captain-Obvious`	`I think it just leaves out hte voice stuff`
`07:07.50`	`Pend-Gone`	`voice == good if you are into that`
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`07:23.48`	`mithro`	`is the voice actually anything useful?`
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`07:26.11`	`Pend-Gone`	`the command you gave to link doesn't apply when I installed to SD`
`07:26.16`	`Pend-Gone`	`<ibot> i heard opera buttons is ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/opera /usr/share/opera, or on opera 7 use ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons /usr/share/opera/buttons`
`07:27.06`	`Pend-Gone`	`there's not /mnt/card/opt/QtPalmtop/opera or /mnt/card/usr/share/opera`
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`07:27.55`	`Pend-Gone`	`looks to be in /mnt/card/home/QtPalmtop/opera`
`07:28.31`	`Pend-Gone`	`so would it then be ln -sf /mnt/card/home/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons /mnt/card/usr/share/opera/buttons ?`
`07:29.05`	`Pend-Gone`	`W8TVI?`
`07:32.05`	`Captain-Obvious`	`you still want to do it`
`07:32.18`	`Captain-Obvious`	`its not refering to the card anyway`
`07:32.23`	`Pend-Gone`	`no I'm doing the opera ipkg`
`07:32.41`	`Pend-Gone`	`but what do I change it to for SD install`
`07:32.55`	`Captain-Obvious`	`dont change it`
`07:32.55`	`Captain-Obvious`	`ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons /usr/share/opera/buttons`
`07:33.02`	`Captain-Obvious`	`thats thr problem`
`07:33.32`	`Captain-Obvious`	`everything else links right`
`07:33.46`	`Pend-Gone`	`even though neither /opt/QtPalmtop/opera and /usr/share/opera doesn't exist?`
`07:34.06`	`Pend-Gone`	`the source is bad for that link is what I'm getting at`
`07:34.30`	`Captain-Obvious`	`I installed it to ram on mine`
`07:34.54`	`Pend-Gone`	`=-P I figured but it still goes only into /home/QtPalmtop/opera doesn't it?`
`07:35.33`	`Pend-Gone`	`I'm not trying to be an ass, I just fail to see how the link helps if the original file doesn't exist`
`07:35.33`	`Pend-Gone`	`ie broken link`
`07:35.34`	`Captain-Obvious`	`doesnt matter where you installed it to`
`07:36.45`	`Pend-Gone`	`it returns : /usr/share/opera/buttons no such file or directory`
`07:38.12`	`Captain-Obvious`	`you did install it, didn't you?`
`07:38.16`	`Pend-Gone`	`=-P hey now`
`07:38.37`	`Captain-Obvious`	`becouse when I installed it, it created those dirs`
`07:38.45`	`Pend-Gone`	`yeah it's in /mnt/card/home/QtPalmtop/opera`
`07:39.56`	`Captain-Obvious`	`does it run?`
`07:39.57`	`Pend-Gone`	`no icon?`
`07:40.14`	`Pend-Gone`	`dunno yet trying to figure out how to start it`
`07:40.19`	`Captain-Obvious`	`then its not installed right`
`07:40.31`	`Captain-Obvious`	`it should have its icon like normal`
`07:42.13`	`Captain-Obvious`	`once it installs right, make the link`
`07:42.22`	`Pend-Gone`	`bin file in /mnt/card/home/QtPalmtop/bin`
`07:42.32`	`Pend-Gone`	`does load, no buttons`
`07:42.54`	`Pend-Gone`	`if I had space on root I'd do it your way`
`07:42.54`	`Captain-Obvious`	`Pend-Gone, run ipkg-link mount /mnt/card`
`07:43.02`	`Captain-Obvious`	`I didn't install it to root`
`07:43.13`	`Captain-Obvious`	`I installed it to ram`
`07:43.26`	`Pend-Gone`	`doh sorry that's what I meant`
`07:43.28`	`Pend-Gone`	`it's 3am..`
`07:43.36`	`Captain-Obvious`	`Pend-Gone, run ipkg-link mount /mnt/card`
`07:43.54`	`Pend-Gone`	`doing so`
`07:44.00`	`Pend-Gone`	`although all my other icons show and run`
`07:45.18`	`Pend-Gone`	`weird`
`07:45.34`	`Pend-Gone`	`that did add the icon (and screwed up and made duplicates of others)`
`07:45.38`	`Pend-Gone`	`but still no buttons`
`07:45.44`	`Captain-Obvious`	`now make the link`
`07:45.50`	`Captain-Obvious`	`ln -sf /opt/QtPalmtop/opera/buttons /usr/share/opera/buttons`
`07:46.39`	`Pend-Gone`	`no such /usr/share/opera/buttons`
`07:46.46`	`Pend-Gone`	`maybe if I mkdir /usr/share/opera first`
`07:46.48`	`Pend-Gone`	`?`
`07:47.51`	`Pend-Gone`	`yep`
`07:47.54`	`Pend-Gone`	`there's buttons`
`07:47.57`	`Captain-Obvious`	`:)`
`07:48.14`	`Pend-Gone`	`it wouldn't let me link to /usr/../buttons w/o opera existing first`
`07:48.31`	`Pend-Gone`	`makes sense I guess if it's not smart enough to auto create higher dirs`
`07:49.00`	`Pend-Gone`	`cannot find ini/standard_mouse.ini`
`07:49.08`	`Pend-Gone`	`cannot find ini/standard_keryboard.ini`
`07:49.14`	`Captain-Obvious`	`dont worry`
`07:49.16`	`Pend-Gone`	`could not initialize VCML component`
`07:49.19`	`Captain-Obvious`	`mine does it too`
`07:49.25`	`Pend-Gone`	`and some stuff about .operasave`
`07:49.30`	`Captain-Obvious`	`ant it seems to wrok fine :)`
`07:49.40`	`Pend-Gone`	`I assume VXML is due to not installing the full package`
`07:49.55`	`Pend-Gone`	`and well it's not a standard mouse or keyboard`
`07:50.05`	`Pend-Gone`	`I guess I can create /mnt/card/.operasave though`
`07:51.25`	`Pend-Gone`	`does Open local file`
`07:51.27`	`Pend-Gone`	`in the 2nd button`
`07:51.32`	`Pend-Gone`	`break for you?`
`07:52.08`	`Captain-Obvious`	`looks like it`
`07:54.30`	`Pend-Gone`	`? mark crashes too`
`07:55.10`	`Captain-Obvious`	`no help program installed`
`07:55.34`	`Pend-Gone`	`probably so but it still shouldn't crash`
`07:55.45`	`Pend-Gone`	`it should say 'look dumbass install some files and I'll try? thanks'`
`07:55.56`	`Captain-Obvious`	`lopl`
`07:55.57`	`Captain-Obvious`	`lol`
`07:57.21`	`Pend-Gone`	`pretty cool none the less`
`07:57.41`	`Pend-Gone`	`I wouldn't care about local files except I keep tapping it by accident`
`07:58.04`	`Pend-Gone`	`I have a new toy to play with at work tomorrow ^_^`
`07:58.12`	`Pend-Gone`	`pretty slick compared to konq`
`07:59.19`	`Captain-Obvious`	`heh`
`07:59.42`	`Captain-Obvious`	`opera 6 probly is a better choice`
`08:08.10`	`Pend-Gone`	`=-e well just ruin it`
`08:08.20`	`Captain-Obvious`	`?`
`08:11.17`	`Pend-Gone`	`I haven't even got it to load an internet page`
`08:11.24`	`omin0us`	`http://www.zaurususergroup.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=3402#3402`
`08:11.24`	`Pend-Gone`	`and you are already telling me to use opera 6`
`08:11.28`	`Pend-Gone`	`=-/`
`08:11.28`	`omin0us`	`:)`
`08:11.40`	`Pend-Gone`	`let me enjoy it!`
`08:12.01`	`Pend-Gone`	`omin0us: badass`
`08:12.57`	`Pend-Gone`	`although I like flux myself`
`08:14.29`	`Pend-Gone`	`oh well night guys`
`08:14.32`	`Pend-Gone`	`3am is a bit much`
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`11:26.22`	`theb_Z`	`anybody here`
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`12:45.46`	`CodeWarrior`	`howdy`
`12:46.33`	`George-`	`ibot change 860 AUD to GBP`
`12:49.49`	`mithro`	`what are you getting for 860 AUD?`
`12:50.14`	`George-`	`nothing`
`12:50.22`	`George-`	`just checking >:P`
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`14:09.36`	`absentia`	`re`
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`15:07.08`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`morning`
`15:07.31`	`absentia`	`morn'`
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`16:04.31`	`George-`	`hi warm dude`
`16:05.17`	`warmi`	`hi George "fellow" ... that's British equivalent of "dude" isn't it ?`
`16:05.17`	`warmi`	`he`
`16:05.24`	`George-`	`'chap'`
`16:05.40`	`warmi`	`ah right`
`16:05.40`	`Foxdie`	`Something along those lines`
`16:06.01`	`absentia`	`chap`
`16:06.10`	`absentia`	`bloke`
`16:06.11`	`absentia`	`barney`
`16:06.24`	`warmi`	`absentia: are you British as well ?`
`16:06.24`	`Foxdie`	`barney, I've not heard that being used in such reference before.`
`16:06.27`	`absentia`	`no`
`16:06.34`	`George-`	`"THE NAME'S FRAZER! SERGEANT FRAZER! SPELT B-A-S-T-A-R-D!"`
`16:06.34`	`George-`	`hehehehe`
`16:06.42`	`absentia`	`nor sure if that's british or some other slang.`
`16:07.05`	`absentia`	`I think barney was like a really dumb person....`
`16:07.10`	`absentia`	`man, he's a real barney.`
`16:08.14`	`warmi`	`George: how's your relationship with Apple ?`
`16:09.36`	`George-`	`warmi: waiting for my iPod to come back from repair :)`
`16:12.35`	`warmi`	`ah`
`16:12.46`	`warmi`	`my buddy just got himself a dual G5 machine`
`16:12.55`	`warmi`	`looks ok but still way to expensive`
`16:13.48`	`Foxdie`	`Let me guess, you'd buy a 486 for $1000 if it was inside a lian li case??`
`16:14.40`	`warmi`	`nah ..... I actually don't care about this sort of thing`
`16:14.57`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`warmi: cool I wan to get one of those but at 5000cad ....`
`16:15.37`	`warmi`	`for the last 5 years or so I been faithfull to AMD and their Athlons`
`16:16.29`	`Disconnect`	`warmi: get an nforce2 mobo, that'll change your mind real quick. :(`
`16:16.50`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`warmi: I try to get enough money to get the new ibook g4 .... and I don't care if people tell me it's just a 1ghz cpu ... it's a laptop man I need long battery life not speed`
`16:17.28`	`warmi`	`chouimat\|coffee: yeah, makes sense`
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`16:18.18`	`warmi`	`Disconnect: I do own nforce based motherboard ... ( I think I do , I don't remember now )`
`16:18.23`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`warmi: and since I only have a p3/667, a piii/1000 and an athlon 1.2 ... and a lot of p200mmx I don;t need speed since I don't play any games`
`16:18.46`	`warmi`	`chouimat\|coffee: yeah, that's the key - if you don't play games then anything around 1 GZ will do just fine`
`16:19.29`	`absentia`	`I'm playing with bochs....`
`16:19.32`	`absentia`	`that thing chews cpu`
`16:19.36`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`warmi: I play some games but I have a dreamcast and I will probably get a ps2 so ... and the games I play are not FPS but strategy ones ... or the old space quest and ultima type`
`16:19.50`	`absentia`	`my dreamcast and ps were stolen`
`16:19.53`	`absentia`	`along with 2 jags`
`16:20.39`	`warmi`	`dreamcast was pretty much worthless :-)`
`16:21.10`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`absentia: I spent the night playing go with a friend ... and she beat me :(`
`16:21.24`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`warmi: it's fun to hack :)`
`16:22.04`	`yeiazel`	`chouimat\|coffee: and you only played go !?`
`16:22.22`	`warmi`	`hehe`
`16:22.37`	`absentia`	`go is nice`
`16:22.39`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`yeiazel: she's 150km away`
`16:22.39`	`absentia`	`I suck at it to much`
`16:22.56`	`yeiazel`	`chouimat\|coffee: oh, okay`
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`16:23.34`	`yeiazel`	`I though canadians were way more idiot that I was thinking before`
`16:23.48`	`yeiazel`	`in fact, you are not so dumb`
`16:24.49`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`yeiazel: thanks ... but that doesn't make me change the way I think about French ...`
`16:24.56`	`yeiazel`	`:)`
`16:25.30`	`warmi`	`"not as French " ???`
`16:25.51`	`yeiazel`	`I'm also italian`
`16:25.52`	`yeiazel`	`:p`
`16:26.07`	`warmi`	`where are you yeiazel ?`
`16:26.22`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`warmi: in other words he know what a shower is .`
`16:26.25`	`yeiazel`	`Paris`
`16:26.39`	`yeiazel`	`chouimat\|coffee: lol`
`16:26.42`	`warmi`	`chouimat\|coffee: hehe ...`
`16:27.06`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`paris ... the most stupid and anoying city I ever saw`
`16:27.23`	`warmi`	`generally , there is nothing wrong with being in Paris ...`
`16:27.35`	`kergoth`	`morning`
`16:27.42`	`warmi`	`as long as you are visiting ... :-)`
`16:27.48`	`warmi`	`morning kergoth`
`16:27.49`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`warmi: exactly ...`
`16:28.06`	`yeiazel`	`especially when it's the only place where you've found a job which consists of installing and administering Debians`
`16:28.21`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`yeiazel: wow ...`
`16:29.24`	`warmi`	`Debian + Paris : I could handle one of them at a time but not both ...`
`16:29.33`	`warmi`	`anyway, I thought Debian was dead`
`16:29.43`	`warmi`	`Gentoo is "the thing" these days , is it not ?`
`16:29.51`	`yeiazel`	`LOL`
`16:29.54`	`yeiazel`	`gentoo on servers ?`
`16:29.58`	`yeiazel`	`you are joking`
`16:30.22`	`yeiazel`	`"wow, a security upgrade ! let's recompile on 1000 servers !`
`16:30.27`	`warmi`	`hehe .. at least it wasn't my intention to joke :-)`
`16:30.38`	`warmi`	`but I am no sys admin`
`16:30.38`	`absentia`	`paris wasn't so bad...`
`16:30.45`	`kergoth`	`gentoo is nice, but isnt exactly the easiest beast to maintain`
`16:30.45`	`absentia`	`but it was funny.`
`16:31.35`	`warmi`	`absenita: all FreeBSD geeks I know moved to OS X`
`16:31.36`	`absentia`	`kergoth: have you had the pleasure of using bochs on the Z yet?`
`16:31.48`	`absentia`	`ya, I'm thinking about looking into the mac.`
`16:31.55`	`absentia`	`but not immediately.`
`16:32.40`	`absentia`	`exactly.`
`16:32.40`	`warmi`	`yeiazel: is Apple stuff popular in france ?`
`16:33.09`	`yeiazel`	`yes`
`16:33.46`	`yeiazel`	`isn't it popular everywere ?`
`16:34.05`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`yeiazel: gentoo support binary packages`
`16:34.34`	`warmi`	`yeiazel: only in certain circles ...`
`16:35.14`	`yeiazel`	`chouimat\|coffee: where is the advantage of using gentoo with binary packages ?`
`16:35.18`	`yeiazel`	`warmi: ok...`
`16:35.24`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`yeiazel: 1000 server :)`
`16:35.32`	`yeiazel`	`warmi: many french geeks love apple stuff :)`
`16:35.40`	`yeiazel`	`chouimat\|coffee: there is debian for such things`
`16:36.07`	`warmi`	`yeiazel: or RedHat :-)`
`16:36.22`	`yeiazel`	`LOL`
`16:36.31`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`yeiazel: it's like freebsd if you need to have it on more than one box you compile it once and install it on the other`
`16:36.59`	`warmi`	`don't laugh .. we run some of our production servers ( running java app server ORION) on RH machines .... works out just fine`
`16:36.59`	`yeiazel`	`chouimat\|coffee: especially when they are all different...`
`16:37.21`	`lon`	`s/RedHat/Red Hat/g ;)`
`16:37.35`	`kergoth`	`RH servers? ew`
`16:37.39`	`warmi`	`if you know what you are doing just about every mature distro will do fine`
`16:37.47`	`yeiazel`	`RH servers are good for Oracle and stuff like that`
`16:38.09`	`yeiazel`	`you install them, you put them somewhere in a machine room, and you don't touch it`
`16:38.12`	`chouimat\|coffee`	`yeiazel: we have 85 freebsd servers and when we need to upgrade we compile the stuff`
`16:38.16`	`yeiazel`	`you let oracle specialists use it`
`16:38.20`	`warmi`	`well, that's the idea isn't it ?`
`16:38.48`	`yeiazel`	`I'm administering security systems for other companies`
`16:39.07`	`yeiazel`	`and general network infrastructure`
`16:39.14`	`warmi`	`frankly, we use Solaris for big stuff like Oracle ... Linux generally runs app server + couple of mysql installs for read-only data`
`16:39.17`	`yeiazel`	`firewalls, mail servers, sambas, ldap servers, etc`
`16:39.34`	`yeiazel`	`can't use RH for this stuff`
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`16:40.53`	`warmi`	`sure you can ... RH is using their own distro for running stuff like that :-)`
`16:41.18`	`yeiazel`	`what would I sell ?`
`16:41.26`	`yeiazel`	`support ? RH does everything`
`16:41.30`	`kergoth`	`you can, but its less efficient`
`16:41.58`	`warmi`	`after all, it is all open source anyway .... in other words, your stuff will run as good as your sys-admin/support is :-)`
`16:42.07`	`mutexer`	`hey warmi, whats up`
`16:42.20`	`yeiazel`	`warmi: not with RH enterprise, etc`
`16:42.26`	`warmi`	`but yeah, it might be more efficient , as I said I am no sysadmin so I won't argue that point`
`16:42.28`	`kergoth`	`speaking as a lazy bastard, i'll use distros that save me time and energy`
`16:42.35`	`yeiazel`	`with their $9999999999999-support-a-year-that-does-everything-even-coffee`
`16:42.38`	`warmi`	`mutexer: not bad ... what you doing these days ?`
`16:42.47`	`mutexer`	`working a dead end job :)`
`16:43.02`	`yeiazel`	`kergoth: and all sysadmins are lazy bastards :)`
`16:43.03`	`warmi`	`mutexer: computer related de job ?`
`16:43.04`	`mutexer`	`havent done much coding.. I need to get back into it`
`16:43.04`	`kergoth`	`yeiazel: of course :)`
`16:43.13`	`ruied_Zaurus`	`how can I represent characters that doesn't exist im my keyboard?`
`16:43.13`	`mutexer`	`retail :\|`
`16:43.24`	`mutexer`	`I guess its kinda computer related.. since I sell them`
`16:43.41`	`warmi`	`mutexer: things are picking up .. or so I keep hearing .... frankly, I get more calls from headhunters these days`
`16:46.19`	`warmi`	`mutexer: who you working for ? Best Buy ?`
`16:46.25`	`mutexer`	`Circuit City`
`16:46.41`	`mutexer`	`what really sucks is I dont get many hours cause Best Buy is killing us`
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`16:47.04`	`warmi`	`which is strange , cause CC seemst to have better prices`
`16:47.10`	`sofaking`	`hello.`
`16:47.13`	`warmi`	`or at least that was my experience`
`16:47.17`	`warmi`	`sofaking: hi`
`16:47.42`	`mutexer`	`last week we had a laptop sold under cost for 699.. best buy had it for $549`
`16:48.20`	`kergoth`	`i never liked CC since their salespeople were on commission. i hate pushy salespeople`
`16:48.23`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`16:48.33`	`mutexer`	`we arent on commission anymore`
`16:48.40`	`kergoth`	`ah`
`16:49.20`	`mutexer`	`yet they still try to make us pushy`
`16:49.29`	`warmi`	`CC folks are nothing compared to places like Galyans ...`
`16:49.42`	`warmi`	`uh ... scary stuff`
`16:50.12`	`kergoth`	`mutexer: most places do though. stupid rules like "if you're within 8 feet of a customer you have to ask them if they want help, even if they j ust told you no 15 minutes ago"`
`16:50.12`	`kergoth`	`heheh`
`16:50.36`	`mutexer`	`yeah`
`16:51.03`	`mutexer`	`what saucks the most is selling their gimick stuff.. like extended warranties`
`16:51.07`	`mutexer`	`if we didnt have to sell them the job would be fine`
`16:51.19`	`mutexer`	`thats where you have to be pushy`
`16:52.24`	`sofaking`	`does anyone else have problems trying to use the "month" view in the calendar on a Zaurus 5600? (no luck on google)`
`16:52.30`	`mutexer`	`of course management is never pleased with a sale... you could probably sell everything in the store but 1 item on a ticket and theyd drill you about why you didnt get the other item`
`16:53.04`	`mutexer`	`Ill quit bitching now.. hopefully Ill be out of retail soon :)`
`16:53.47`	`sofaking`	`mutexer: its nice to know that CC employees dont 'enjoy' messing with us customers! :) gripe away...`
`16:53.54`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`16:54.56`	`warmi`	`I am afraid to go to stores like these with my wife cause she has a short temper and one of these days she will go medieval on them`
`16:55.27`	`vvff`	`:-D`
`16:55.43`	`vvff`	`warmi: problem being?`
`16:56.17`	`warmi`	`pushy sales people etc`
`16:56.51`	`vvff`	`warmi: no, I mean the problem with her going medieval is what exactly?`
`16:57.40`	`warmi`	`I don't know :-) but, knowing my wife, it will be rather messy .. she has a big mouth :-)`
`16:58.28`	`warmi`	`she can't stand constant nagging about "do you folks need any help" etc`
`16:58.44`	`kergoth`	`heh, i hate that too. if i want help, i'll fucking ask for it.`
`16:59.04`	`mutexer`	`we are required to ask anyone within like 15 feet if they need help`
`16:59.39`	`mutexer`	`I dont do it a lot of the times.. then the managers walk through like they are looking to bust us`
`17:00.49`	`warmi`	`yeah, I know`
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`17:08.05`	`warmi`	`mutexer: do you get some special discounts at CC ?`
`17:12.13`	`George-`	`kergoth: "NO I DON'T WANT ANY HELP NOW SOD OFF YOU INCOMPETANT BASTARD"`
`17:15.21`	`mutexer`	`yeah`
`17:16.40`	`mutexer`	`we used to get a good discount`
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`17:16.56`	`mutexer`	`but they cut it way down saying they needed to "cover their costs of shipping:`
`17:17.12`	`kergoth`	`coughbullshitcough`
`17:17.14`	`warmi`	`heh`
`17:17.17`	`mutexer`	`so aparantly 1/3 of the price of an item is how much it costs to ship it :)`
`17:18.43`	`mutexer`	`its a shame those sorround sound systems take 200 bucks to ship :)`
`17:19.09`	`mutexer`	`the discount is funny on some items.. like game systems.. we get 50 cents off a gamecube :)`
`17:20.03`	`warmi`	`:-)`
`17:23.24`	`mutexer`	`not everyone hates their job there btw :) .. somne of them kiss the manager's ass while calling in complainting behind their back to HR`
`17:23.46`	`absentia`	`kergoth.... runing something like bochs is extremely cpu intensive.... do you think it would be faster under the c7x0 than the old 5000/5500?`
`17:23.47`	`absentia`	`argh`
`17:24.09`	`vvff`	`absentia: Not fast enough to use... ;-)`
`17:24.09`	`kergoth`	`absentia: c750/c760, i'm sure. c700, i doubt it`
`17:24.14`	`kergoth`	`vvff: heh, true that`
`17:26.28`	`vvff`	`How 'come all the laptops have touchpads now? the old posts worked way better(at least if you ask me... ;-)`
`17:26.58`	`warmi`	`some of them have both`
`17:27.02`	`warmi`	`for example latest Dells`
`17:27.14`	`vvff`	`Cool.`
`17:28.47`	`vvff`	`Apple's price fixing is ridiculous.`
`17:29.44`	`vvff`	`A guy I know who works @ an Apple authorized reseller said they could knock $75 off of the price of a 10gb ipod and still make a profit.`
`17:29.47`	`warmi`	`yeah but hey ,..... it is a free country - you are free to get more powerfull and cheaper AMD/Intel based machine instead :-)`
`17:30.29`	`vvff`	`Yeah.`
`17:30.59`	`MG_Tak`	`Apple's price fixing exists because their sales are so horrible they need to maximize what they do sell. :)`
`17:31.20`	`vvff`	`Anybody know if athlon xp-m to pentium 4-m performance is comparable to athlon xp vs. pentium 4?`
`17:33.19`	`warmi`	`MG_Tak: this is precisely why they are esentially a niche market compared to intel based PCs`
`17:33.22`	`treke`	`maybe their sales wouldnt be so bad if they lowered the prices :p`
`17:33.33`	`warmi`	`they went from 30-40 % of market back in 80s to 3-4% today`
`17:45.05`	`ABolager`	`test`
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`17:54.20`	`Cameron`	`Where's a good place to get replacement Zaurus styli online? Many such sites do not seem to carry Zaurus styli -- unless they're compatible with some other certain brands/models of PDA?`
`18:00.13`	`yeiazel`	`I've bought some at xtops.de`
`18:01.14`	`Cameron`	`well, I'm in the U.S., so that's not exactly ideal`
`18:01.28`	`yeiazel`	`sure`
`18:01.31`	`yeiazel`	`dunno in the US, sorry`
`18:01.36`	`Cameron`	`interesting site though`
`18:01.50`	`Cameron`	`looks like they sell cool stuff`
`18:02.12`	`Cameron`	`smart website too -- seems to know I don't speak German! ;)`
`18:02.39`	`yeiazel`	`hehe`
`18:03.02`	`Cameron`	`yeiazel: can you use the GPRS card with the Zaurus to connect to a local cellphone provider over therE?`
`18:03.24`	`yeiazel`	`sure`
`18:03.48`	`yeiazel`	`I'm in France, but I imagine we can do it everywhere in Europe`
`18:04.08`	`Cameron`	`ah, cool`
`18:04.22`	`Cameron`	`I think over here GPRS is not yet standard enough maybe...`
`18:04.27`	`Cameron`	`I know that T-Mobile certainly does not support it`
`18:04.38`	`Cameron`	`but maybe you could get it to work with a little hack or two...`
`18:04.59`	`Cameron`	`I would think you'd only need to swap the sim card from a cell phone and put it in the modem, no?`
`18:05.21`	`yeiazel`	`never tried it myself, but I imagine it this way, yes`
`18:06.13`	`Cameron`	`do cell providers in France practically give away new phones when you sign up for a 1-year contract like they do here in the U.S.?`
`18:06.30`	`yeiazel`	`yes`
`18:06.49`	`yeiazel`	`I think they do it the same all over the world :)`
`18:06.53`	`Cameron`	`so our materialism has rubbed off, eh?`
`18:06.57`	`Cameron`	`ick`
`18:06.59`	`yeiazel`	`:)`
`18:07.00`	`Cameron`	`lol`
`18:07.06`	`yeiazel`	`materialism's bad`
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`18:09.01`	`Cameron`	`do you know, yeiazel, if I could buy a stylus designed for any other PDA that would fit my Zaurus C700?`
`18:09.19`	`Cameron`	`or must I find styli designed specifically for the newer Zauri?`
`18:09.20`	`yeiazel`	`seen fome posts from ppl that have done it, and it seemed to work well`
`18:09.25`	`yeiazel`	`but I wouldn't do that`
`18:09.36`	`Cameron`	`ok`
`18:09.39`	`warmi`	`Cameron:http://www.shirtpocket.co.uk/cat/product_info.php/products_id/37`
`18:09.51`	`warmi`	`it looks like a "super-stylus" :-)`
`18:09.54`	`warmi`	`of sorts`
`18:10.23`	`Cameron`	`lol`
`18:10.31`	`Cameron`	`doh, in Europe again hehe`
`18:10.38`	`warmi`	`Cameron: another one -> http://www.pdair.com/3in1.shtml`
`18:10.56`	`Cameron`	`hmm, cool`
`18:11.03`	`Cameron`	`too bad amazon doesen't seem to cary any`
`18:11.23`	`Cameron`	`nice though from shirtpocket hehe`
`18:14.15`	`Cameron`	`errm`
`18:14.24`	`Cameron`	`but how do I buy from pdair.com?`
`18:14.24`	`Cameron`	`strange`
`18:14.44`	`absentia`	`re`
`18:14.53`	`warmi`	`uh .. don't know :-)`
`18:25.54`	`Disconnect`	`warmi: (was afk) nforce is good, from what I've heard. nforce2 is a disaster, this I can state for sure ;)`
`18:26.18`	`warmi`	`hehe`
`18:26.33`	`warmi`	`well, my next purchase is going to be some sort of dual montherboard for Athlon`
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`18:43.31`	`absentia`	`anyone here try qemu on zaurus ?`
`18:44.24`	`rev\|lib`	`qemu?`
`18:44.30`	`rev\|lib`	`what does that emulate?`
`18:45.57`	`warmi`	`looks like some sort of "universal CPU emulator" :-)`
`18:48.23`	`rev\|lib`	`hrm`
`18:48.26`	`rev\|lib`	`curious`
`18:49.37`	`absentia`	`I just went to google to look for a program`
`18:49.43`	`absentia`	`google came back with links, I went to the first one`
`18:49.46`	`absentia`	`it was to my site.`
`18:49.48`	`absentia`	`:-/`
`18:51.36`	`rev`	`heh`
`18:51.40`	`absentia`	`:-/`
`18:51.47`	`absentia`	`I don't know whether that's funny... or sad.`
`18:52.02`	`rev`	`all of the above`
`18:52.05`	`rev`	`like most things in life`
`18:52.32`	`absentia`	`looksl ike you can get squeek for zaurus`
`18:52.37`	`absentia`	`under qemu`
`18:52.43`	`absentia`	`rev: did I see you say taht you got rid of your zaurus ?`
`18:52.44`	`rev`	`huh?`
`18:52.47`	`rev`	`no`
`18:52.50`	`absentia`	`oh`
`18:52.51`	`rev`	`just screwing aroudn with treke`
`18:52.52`	`absentia`	`must have been someone else.`
`18:52.57`	`absentia`	`oh`
`18:53.01`	`absentia`	`he deserves it`
`18:53.06`	`rev`	`hheh`
`18:53.33`	`rev`	`where di you see this squeak + qemu business?`
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`18:59.16`	`absentia`	`rev: I can't find the link that I had`
`18:59.20`	`absentia`	`but I grabbed all the files that I needed to get it running`
`18:59.24`	`treke`	`mornin rev`
`18:59.33`	`rev`	`heyyyy treke man`
`18:59.43`	`rev`	`absentia: for gettign qmeu to work or qemu+squeak?`
`18:59.43`	`treke`	`rev: the new iqnotes is pretty cool`
`18:59.52`	`rev`	`or when you said "squeek" did you mean something else?`
`18:59.56`	`rev`	`treke: it came out?`
`19:00.00`	`treke`	`yup`
`19:00.03`	`rev`	`sweet`
`19:00.16`	`rev`	`does he have the whole unlimited scrolling canvas dealie?`
`19:00.26`	`treke`	`yeah. Dont like the way it was implemented, but I might try fixing that`
`19:00.35`	`rev`	`he was telling me via email it was going to be in the next release`
`19:00.35`	`rev`	`ahhh`
`19:00.40`	`absentia`	`the qemu + squeek`
`19:00.46`	`absentia`	`and dynapad`
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`19:00.54`	`rev`	`nothing new... treke man, could you take some shots?`
`19:01.03`	`treke`	`it looks the same :)`
`19:01.24`	`treke`	`couple changed toolbar items, but visually it doesnt seem much different`
`19:01.46`	`absentia`	`dynapad-r0.01.zip R0.01-README TinySqueak.image`
`19:01.46`	`absentia`	`dynapad-r0.1.zip R0.1-README zaurus_squeakxtras.tar.gz`
`19:01.46`	`absentia`	`howto Squeak-3.0-bin-arm-07172001.tgz`
`19:02.39`	`absentia`	`here`
`19:02.40`	`absentia`	`http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/2688`
`19:03.16`	`Cameron`	`You think the Pentopia Chameleon styli really fit the Zaurus? http://www.pentopia.com/chameleon.htm#Cham_One`
`19:03.26`	`gerrynjr`	`new dynapad release?`
`19:03.34`	`rev`	`treke: how is that feature implemented`
`19:03.34`	`absentia`	`not sure.`
`19:03.37`	`rev`	`gerrynjr: no :/`
`19:03.44`	`gerrynjr`	`damn`
`19:03.44`	`absentia`	`I'm looking to see if anyone has qemu working for zaurus`
`19:03.50`	`gerrynjr`	`qemu?`
`19:03.53`	`absentia`	`bochs = slow`
`19:03.58`	`absentia`	`qemu seems much faster`
`19:04.05`	`absentia`	`dynamic translation vs emulation`
`19:04.12`	`absentia`	`read that qemu was 65x faster than bochs.`
`19:04.26`	`absentia`	`I know I saw some posts on it in the forums, so I'm going there now`
`19:04.28`	`rev`	`absentia: i'm confused... qemu is on that page?`
`19:04.36`	`treke`	`rev: you hit a toolbar option and then use the stylus to scroll the page`
`19:04.43`	`rev`	`errr`
`19:04.48`	`rev`	`weird`
`19:04.50`	`rev`	`although`
`19:04.54`	`rev`	`consistent`
`19:05.08`	`rev`	`follwos the iqnotes tradition of having to do more work than you should`
`19:05.12`	`treke`	`yup`
`19:05.16`	`absentia`	`no, that was a link from a bochs page, I think.`
`19:05.23`	`Cameron`	`hmm, had not heard of qemu before cool`
`19:05.37`	`absentia`	`but the qemu files say that were modified from the bochs files.. and they work, etc.`
`19:05.41`	`Cameron`	`but no gui support yet, eh?`
`19:05.54`	`absentia`	`I think someone was saying that he was runing a palm emulator via qemu`
`19:06.10`	`Cameron`	`really? you mean a Linux palm emu?`
`19:06.31`	`absentia`	`is there a linux palm emulator ?`
`19:06.52`	`Cameron`	`absentia: so then qemu would BE the palm emulator??`
`19:07.54`	`absentia`	`well, that seems like it could be a possibility`
`19:08.08`	`Cameron`	`with the preliminary ARM support...`
`19:08.16`	`absentia`	`says no FPU`
`19:08.30`	`Cameron`	`host CPU Status for ARM = Testing`
`19:09.16`	`absentia`	`yes`
`19:11.04`	`Cameron`	`so, hmm, I wonder if getting the Palm styli from http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000E0ZLX/qid=1071774567//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i0_xgl23/103-6547226-6727018?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846 is my best bet...`
`19:11.27`	`Cameron`	`they're supposed to fit quite well in the Zaurus from a few searches online I've seen`
`19:11.34`	`Cameron`	`can anyone confirm this?`
`19:11.56`	`gerrynjr`	`I use an m100 stylus right now`
`19:12.00`	`gerrynjr`	`but it sticks out the top quite a bit`
`19:12.17`	`Cameron`	`that's differnet from th tungsten styli, no?`
`19:12.31`	`Cameron`	`I think it is, but let me double check :)`
`19:13.33`	`Cameron`	`yup`
`19:13.49`	`gerrynjr`	`theres about a 1/3 inch sticking out the top`
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`19:16.23`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Hey`
`19:16.24`	`enginuitor_Z`	`It's still dead`
`19:16.31`	`enginuitor_Z`	`lol`
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`19:17.08`	`enginuitor_Z`	`I bet as soon as I say this next word I will be slapped by some sort of marine animal...`
`19:17.10`	`enginuitor_Z`	`n00b`
`19:17.28`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Hmm`
`19:17.31`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Tough crows`
`19:17.34`	`enginuitor_Z`	`crowd*`
`19:17.40`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Damn IBM keyboard`
`19:17.52`	`enginuitor_Z`	`My Z is still dead`
`19:18.06`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Although getting the diag menu was definitely progress...`
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`19:18.23`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Anybody here?`
`19:18.49`	`treke`	`nope. no one here.`
`19:18.49`	`gerrynjr`	`me`
`19:18.53`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Ah`
`19:18.57`	`gerrynjr`	`wait.. i'm not here`
`19:19.11`	`absentia`	`no`
`19:19.14`	`enginuitor_Z`	`My Z is still dead :(`
`19:19.26`	`gerrynjr`	`enginuitor_Z> elaborate please`
`19:19.35`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Although I got to the boot menu...`
`19:19.41`	`enginuitor_Z`	`I flashed it with a corrupt kernel`
`19:19.47`	`gerrynjr`	`so, reflash`
`19:19.47`	`enginuitor_Z`	`And attempts to reflash have failed`
`19:20.03`	`kergoth`	`uh, a screwed up kernel doesnt interfere withi the flash process`
`19:20.03`	`gerrynjr`	`what are the filenames of the files being used to flash your Z?`
`19:20.06`	`absentia`	`I just saw a post about that on zaurus.com/dev/board`
`19:20.14`	`absentia`	`I want to know... can I format my CF cart ext2 to flash`
`19:20.24`	`enginuitor_Z`	`I have reformatted my card, downloaded fresh files, and checked the checksums`
`19:20.26`	`absentia`	`I can't seem to get the c700 to recognize the cf when it is formatted FAT`
`19:20.30`	`absentia`	`eng: how did you format your card?`
`19:20.44`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Then reflashed...`
`19:20.47`	`enginuitor_Z`	`It went through the flash all right`
`19:20.47`	`gerrynjr`	`absentia> ext2 will not work for flashing the Z`
`19:20.47`	`Fifth`	`vfat only for flashing afaik`
`19:20.54`	`enginuitor_Z`	`I formatted it in Win98`
`19:20.56`	`absentia`	`gerry: Grrrrr...`
`19:21.02`	`absentia`	`If I format the CF under w2k.. it says "FAT"`
`19:21.04`	`absentia`	`is that vfat?`
`19:21.13`	`absentia`	`if I do mkfs.vfat /dev/hda1 on the Z`
`19:21.13`	`enginuitor_Z`	`My Linux box won't see my card reader`
`19:21.14`	`absentia`	`it locks`
`19:21.21`	`absentia`	`so I need a way to format the damn card`
`19:21.38`	`gerrynjr`	`absentia> AFAIK fat is vfat is fat`
`19:21.43`	`absentia`	`if I do newfs_msdos /dev/ad4 on freebsd, it also doesn't work.`
`19:21.53`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Anyway... I have flashed three times and it still will not boot`
`19:21.56`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Not even a logo`
`19:21.59`	`enginuitor_Z`	`No power-on`
`19:22.08`	`Fifth`	`have you got a digi camera? format with that`
`19:22.14`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Somebody told me about the D+P menu`
`19:22.22`	`absentia`	`no`
`19:22.22`	`absentia`	`:-<`
`19:22.29`	`enginuitor_Z`	`And I ran the ROM Checksum thing from there`
`19:22.45`	`enginuitor_Z`	`And it said "NG" which I assume is short for Not Good`
`19:22.55`	`enginuitor_Z`	`or No Good`
`19:23.51`	`absentia`	`isn't there a CF card checker there too ?`
`19:23.51`	`enginuitor_Z`	`I only have one card that has more than 16MB`
`19:23.57`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Yes`
`19:23.59`	`absentia`	`although I was told taht it always says the card is bad`
`19:24.00`	`absentia`	`:-/`
`19:24.04`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Yeah`
`19:24.07`	`enginuitor_Z`	`it does`
`19:24.11`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Any card I put in...`
`19:24.17`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Gives me lots of NG's`
`19:24.40`	`absentia`	`see`
`19:24.40`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Maybe they had some kind of special test card specifically made to test the interface`
`19:24.47`	`enginuitor_Z`	`And it's expecting that`
`19:24.49`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Just a though`
`19:24.51`	`enginuitor_Z`	`thought*`
`19:24.59`	`enginuitor_Z`	`God, I hate these school keyboards`
`19:25.36`	`kergoth`	`enginuitor_Z: what filenames on the card?`
`19:26.08`	`enginuitor_Z`	`initrd.bin and zImage`
`19:26.15`	`kergoth`	`thats wrong`
`19:26.17`	`enginuitor_Z`	`?`
`19:26.20`	`kergoth`	`c700 is zimage.bin, generally`
`19:26.30`	`enginuitor_Z`	`I have SL-5500`
`19:26.47`	`kergoth`	`oh, k`
`19:26.58`	`enginuitor_Z`	`And when the files are not there or named wrong the lights just go out`
`19:27.14`	`enginuitor_Z`	`In my case, it does /something/ for three minutes before they go out`
`19:27.24`	`absentia`	`zImage.bin`
`19:27.27`	`absentia`	`case sensitive?`
`19:27.28`	`kergoth`	`so its flashing then`
`19:27.31`	`kergoth`	`whats the problem?`
`19:27.39`	`kergoth`	`are you full resetting after the flash?`
`19:27.45`	`enginuitor_Z`	`I switch to "Normal" and full reset...`
`19:27.51`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Won't power up`
`19:28.05`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Sometimes makes a scary, continuous noise out of the buzzer`
`19:28.05`	`kergoth`	`uh, i hope you mean the other way around. kinda hard to hit full reset with the battery cover on`
`19:28.07`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Very faint`
`19:28.08`	`kergoth`	`odd`
`19:28.12`	`kergoth`	`try flashing a different image`
`19:28.21`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Although it always makes some noise`
`19:28.33`	`enginuitor_Z`	`I guess it's noise from the processor making its way onto the buzzer line`
`19:28.52`	`enginuitor_Z`	`But it's like faint white noise, with clicks every half-second`
`19:29.04`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Anyway, I'm going to try some original Sharp images when I get home`
`19:29.59`	`enginuitor_Z`	`But I think it's bizarre that perfectly valid (checked the md5's) images are not working`
`19:30.20`	`absentia`	`is tkcrom 2.5 out yet?`
`19:30.27`	`enginuitor_Z`	`We do have a digital camera here`
`19:30.30`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Albeit an old one`
`19:30.34`	`enginuitor_Z`	`The other thing I was thinking about...`
`19:30.53`	`enginuitor_Z`	`Last time I flashed successfully, I had a bunch of crap on the card before I loaded the images`
`19:30.59`	`enginuitor_Z`	`And this time it was a fresh format`
`19:31.07`	`enginuitor_Z`	`So maybe the beginning of the card is bad`
`19:31.09`	`enginuitor_Z`	`gotta go`
`19:31.16`	`gerrynjr`	`enginuitor_Z> when cards go, cards go`
`19:41.00`	`absentia`	`I saw an annoucement, but all the links were blank apge`
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`20:08.53`	`rev`	`yo`
`20:10.22`	`gerrynjr`	`http://www.globalcomputer.com/products/product_details.jsp?WebLogicSession=P2IJPAncI15VI12uxvD7EV02Jvv0nqqQJbGwrIdhGX7TG3fM9UOF\|6715658339957750505/-1062721516/6/7008/7008/7002/7002/7008/-1\|-2784770824263605689/-1062721501/6/7008/7008/7002/7002/7008/-1`
`20:10.33`	`absentia`	`that URL should be illegal.`
`20:10.45`	`gerrynjr`	`jsut check it out`
`20:10.52`	`gerrynjr`	`itanium for 1 cent`
`20:11.07`	`absentia`	`I would have to cut and paste 4 times`
`20:11.09`	`absentia`	`and edit 4 lines`
`20:11.15`	`absentia`	`and not make a mistake, or start over.`
`20:11.25`	`absentia`	`it's not worth it`
`20:14.51`	`Reddog-[Away]`	`why can't you just click it?`
`20:15.13`	`absentia`	`my irc client doesn't work that way`
`20:15.21`	`absentia`	`my desktop + term doesn't work that way`
`20:15.30`	`absentia`	`http://www.cnn.com/`
`20:15.30`	`absentia`	`test`
`20:15.40`	`Captain-Obvious`	`http://tinyurl.com/3dt9a`
`20:15.48`	`absentia`	`it breaks at the end of the first line`
`20:15.58`	`absentia`	`yam I clicked on that tiny url`
`20:16.16`	`absentia`	`thank you`
`20:16.25`	`Captain-Obvious`	`:)`
`20:16.41`	`absentia`	`itanium 2, 1 GHz ( 400MHz )`
`20:16.48`	`absentia`	`what's the () value? bus?`
`20:16.53`	`gerrynjr`	`look at the price`
`20:17.12`	`absentia`	`ya`
`20:17.15`	`absentia`	`will they honor that ?`
`20:17.15`	`Reddog-[Away]`	`hrm`
`20:17.17`	`Reddog-[Away]`	`so.. buy one`
`20:17.25`	`gerrynjr`	`they cancelled my order`
`20:17.25`	`Reddog-[Away]`	`hell, buy 100`
`20:17.33`	`gerrynjr`	`i put in for 2`
`20:17.35`	`absentia`	`ok`
`20:17.38`	`absentia`	`I just put 100 in a cart`
`20:18.02`	`absentia`	`I ended up with a mobel cpu cart`
`20:18.55`	`absentia`	`if yo put the stock number in the cart`
`20:18.58`	`absentia`	`it says it's not found`
`20:19.25`	`gerrynjr`	`they cancelled my order!`
`20:19.33`	`gerrynjr`	`and stop you from orering it now`
`20:20.54`	`absentia`	`heheh`
`20:21.24`	`Captain-Obvious`	`well, when they get orders for 10,000 items from 100 people...`
`20:21.44`	`Captain-Obvious`	`they ruin it for everyone else`
`20:22.06`	`Reddog-[Away]`	`heh\`
`20:22.10`	`gerrynjr`	`i ordered only 2 :-(`
`20:22.34`	`Captain-Obvious`	`I know, but people like absentia go and order 100 at a time`
`20:24.09`	`Captain-Obvious`	`they seem to forget that it'd cost alot to ship that too`
`20:24.30`	`treke`	`hehe`
`20:24.36`	`treke`	`fuck the shipping cost`
`20:24.39`	`treke`	`you can make it back on ebay :)`
`20:24.51`	`absentia`	`treke: amen`
`20:25.13`	`gerrynjr`	`W8TVI> nice nick`
`20:25.25`	`W8TVI`	`heh`
`20:28.40`	`W8TVI`	`there`
`20:28.53`	`treke`	`doesnt let me add to car :)`
`20:29.31`	`W8TVI`	`just paid off my credit card`
`20:30.12`	`kergoth`	`i wish my dad would pay me back`
`20:30.22`	`kergoth`	`fucker owes me like $2.5k`
`20:30.22`	`W8TVI`	`yeah?`
`20:30.25`	`W8TVI`	`ouch`
`20:30.28`	`absentia`	`I'm trying a new strategy with my credit card`
`20:30.38`	`absentia`	`putting almost my entire paycheck into it...`
`20:30.38`	`W8TVI`	`not using it?`
`20:30.43`	`absentia`	`and then charging everything during the month back to it`
`20:30.49`	`kergoth`	`W8TVI: heh, thats what i was gonna say`
`20:30.57`	`absentia`	`I figure I'll save 1000s of interest per month.. and if I don't spend back 100%, then I've made an auto-payment to my cc.`
`20:31.10`	`W8TVI`	`lol`
`20:31.13`	`kergoth`	`absentia: heh, not a bad idea. i've started using one of mien for expenses as well`
`20:32.29`	`W8TVI`	`when I get back working again, I'm going to strat using it again for buying gas`
`20:33.07`	`absentia`	`well, I have autopayments to my CCs from my bank account`
`20:33.15`	`absentia`	`so I'll have good credit, etc... and then at the end, I can make another payment.`
`20:33.29`	`absentia`	`but then I realized that I"m paying fo Ks of interest per month ... per year`
`20:33.33`	`absentia`	`so I'm going to try this strategy and see if it works.`
`20:33.36`	`kergoth`	`absentia: heh, i like that idea`
`20:33.43`	`W8TVI`	`so now my SG20 is ALL mine`
`20:33.47`	`kergoth`	`putting the whole check there i mean`
`20:33.48`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`20:34.02`	`absentia`	`yup`
`20:34.28`	`absentia`	`the only issue is that with cc # theft, etc... you'd be using it more`
`20:34.38`	`absentia`	`but, alas, I figure I'd rather have the cc be used, where liability is $50`
`20:34.40`	`absentia`	`or $0 ...`
`20:34.54`	`absentia`	`vs my bank card ... which I was using (anyway) ... which is straight CASH first...`
`20:35.08`	`absentia`	`it's easier to fight a bad credit charge -- than to try to get back 1000s of cash`
`20:35.17`	`kergoth`	`indeed`
`20:35.26`	`treke`	`yup`
`20:35.32`	`absentia`	`plus, both my cards are chase... and I have idine on chase, so I get money back ... 20% (sometimes 40%) ... when I eat out!`
`20:35.44`	`absentia`	`if I get people at work to order from this one restaurant, I get 40% back... I eat free.`
`20:37.44`	`absentia`	`right, get paid once a month on the 15th... two autopayments just went through ....but, I also xferred 4600 from one that was getting an autopayment to my chase`
`20:38.36`	`absentia`	`ie: instead of trying to put $200/mo into two cards, I xfer the balance 4600.... get 3.9% ... (raises if I don't make payment) ... but then I don't have to pay discover.... that $200... it's in chase... and I pay chase $6K/mo or so....`
`20:38.52`	`absentia`	`I am closing my cap one card. I got it last year for xmas, but it's only a $500 limit.... that's too f'n low.`
`20:39.10`	`W8TVI`	`mine only has $300`
`20:39.14`	`absentia`	`we found that my wife had a $100 card from like... express... with 31% interest`
`20:39.26`	`kergoth`	`absentia: ouch`
`20:39.26`	`W8TVI`	`ouch`
`20:39.26`	`absentia`	`we called to close it.. and they asked what they did wrong to make us want to close it....`
`20:39.31`	`gerrynjr`	`absentia> holy fuck`
`20:39.31`	`absentia`	`uh huh.`
`20:39.39`	`absentia`	`I told them the MOB doesn't even charge that much....`
`20:39.40`	`absentia`	`they didn't understand.`
`20:39.56`	`kergoth`	`i was late on one of my cards, they upped the rate to 20%, now my minimum on that card doesnt even cover the interest for that month`
`20:39.58`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`20:40.02`	`absentia`	`yup`
`20:40.05`	`absentia`	`that's the shit I'm talking about.`
`20:40.18`	`absentia`	`when I was in europe, discover didn't have online payment`
`20:40.18`	`absentia`	`I didn't get my bills`
`20:40.18`	`kergoth`	`so if you keep paying hte minimum, you keep falling farther behind. total bs`
`20:40.28`	`absentia`	`and they wouldn't let me pay, over the phone, unless I was 30 days past due`
`20:40.31`	`absentia`	`so I told'm I'd call'm back`
`20:40.42`	`absentia`	`but, alas, that meant my interest went up to like 22% on discover.`
`20:40.57`	`absentia`	`kergoth: even if you pay 2x minimum, you're only putting the "minimum" into the card.`
`20:41.02`	`absentia`	`that's why I wanted to consolidate.`
`20:41.08`	`absentia`	`I use to get checks in the kail for $20K all the time`
`20:41.10`	`kergoth`	`yeah`
`20:41.29`	`treke`	`not that I succeed often :p`
`20:41.33`	`absentia`	`just deposit it, pay all your cards, and then pay back the one loan.... it would have given me like 8K left over, so that's 12K consolidated.... but I never did it`
`20:41.45`	`absentia`	`now I have that much on my discover card, so I just consolidated there.`
`20:42.01`	`kergoth`	`my credit's hurting, so i doubt i could get a card high enough to consolodate`
`20:42.02`	`absentia`	`I paid off 90% of my CC debt last year after tax return...`
`20:42.07`	`kergoth`	`maybe ill get a debt consolodation loan from wells fargo or something`
`20:42.12`	`kergoth`	`absentia: nice`
`20:42.13`	`absentia`	`but then I credit carded a part of a condo in vegas in june`
`20:42.13`	`absentia`	`:-/`
`20:42.21`	`kergoth`	`odh`
`20:42.21`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`20:42.31`	`absentia`	`I've been too lazy to get it refinanced... I really should do that.`
`20:42.53`	`absentia`	`now I find out that the uspto is changing their mind on one of my patents.... they were supposed to have issued it a few months ago...`
`20:43.03`	`absentia`	`but, they say we can just make an exclusion and then we'll be ok again.`
`20:43.07`	`absentia`	`sigh`
`20:47.59`	`gerrynjr`	`W8TVI> contest submission!`
`20:48.19`	`W8TVI`	`what contest?`
`20:48.30`	`gerrynjr`	`nvm`
`20:50.38`	`Foxdie`	`I concur :)`
`20:52.04`	`W8TVI`	`:P`
`20:52.22`	`gerrynjr`	`I dissent`
`20:52.37`	`absentia`	`what contest?`
`20:52.42`	`absentia`	`sorry`
`20:52.44`	`absentia`	`the peer pressure`
`20:55.39`	`absentia`	`ok, just paid my overdraft line... which didn't even have a bill yet.`
`20:55.43`	`absentia`	`I wonder how much THAT will confuse'm`
`20:56.08`	`absentia`	`they had my autopayments on my overdraft on the day BEFORE I get paid... once a month.`
`20:56.19`	`absentia`	`I said: wouldn't it be better to move the autopayment date 2 days forward? they said they couldn't do that as it was tied to when I opened my account.`
`20:56.23`	`absentia`	`fine. disabled (that shit) for me.`
`20:57.11`	`absentia`	`:-< my chase card total has gone up...`
`20:57.25`	`absentia`	`25 x the total since july.`
`20:57.28`	`George-`	`I.. er.. just blew up my mouse`
`20:57.38`	`gerrynjr`	`George-> congrats...`
`20:57.42`	`gerrynjr`	`you now have a faming mouse`
`20:57.46`	`gerrynjr`	`flaming`
`20:57.51`	`George-`	`no I don't, I have no mouse.`
`20:57.53`	`George-`	`:P`
`20:58.02`	`George-`	`I shorted two terminals inside the mouse whilst measuring some stuff`
`20:58.10`	`kergoth`	`dont do that`
`20:58.13`	`George-`	`it was a very nice mouse too ;(`
`20:58.20`	`George-`	`kergoth: hah, thanks for telling me`
`20:58.38`	`kergoth`	`hey, anytime`
`20:58.41`	`George-`	`I am now stuck with this retarded one button mouse in my tibook`
`20:58.58`	`George-`	`until my replacement arrives....`
`20:59.02`	`George-`	`which I just ordered`
`20:59.19`	`absentia`	`you shold be able to repair that`
`20:59.30`	`George-`	`absentia: hah, I have no idea which thing I blew up`
`21:00.08`	`gerrynjr`	`George-> you sure you din't blow up the port?`
`21:00.16`	`George-`	`gerrynjr: yes`
`21:00.17`	`gerrynjr`	`ah.. good`
`21:00.21`	`George-`	`gerrynjr: I tried a different USB port`
`21:01.38`	`absentia`	`ah`
`21:03.12`	`W8TVI`	`get a microsoft optical usb mouse`
`21:03.24`	`George-`	`W8TVI: shut up`
`21:03.28`	`George-`	`W8TVI: I'm staying with logitech`
`21:03.33`	`George-`	`anyway, I just ordered my replacement`
`21:03.46`	`treke`	`buy a track ball and be done with it`
`21:03.51`	`treke`	`fricken mouse users`
`21:04.01`	`W8TVI`	`wireless`
`21:04.30`	`absentia`	`I may have to buy another cf card in order to flash`
`21:04.44`	`absentia`	`I just can't seem to convince my 700 to see the FAT formatted CF card`
`21:04.45`	`absentia`	`:-<`
`21:04.49`	`W8TVI`	`that reminds me`
`21:05.01`	`W8TVI`	`I need to get the stuff of my SD card`
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`21:11.21`	`George-`	`W8TVI: I won't get a wireless mouse until the bluetooth ones are cheaper`
`21:11.30`	`W8TVI`	`this isn`
`21:11.33`	`George-`	`W8TVI: I have bluetooth in my powerbook, and I want to make use of it :)`
`21:11.34`	`W8TVI`	`t a BT mouse`
`21:11.38`	`George-`	`I know`
`21:11.39`	`gerrynjr`	`see.sun.com/Apps/DCS/mcp?r=700421qB3l4G0120003HCS0421qB0mq8PBq8S6`
`21:11.42`	`George-`	`only the mx900 is bt`
`21:18.07`	`W8TVI`	`hmmm`
`21:18.22`	`W8TVI`	`should I format my sd card as fat or fat32`
`21:19.10`	`George-`	`aha`
`21:19.15`	`George-`	`found my spare mouse`
`21:19.17`	`absentia`	`does fat32 work ?`
`21:19.19`	`absentia`	`I didn't try that`
`21:19.22`	`George-`	`W8TVI: fat32 or you'll have to pay royalties to mS`
`21:19.27`	`absentia`	`maybe my fat was wat 8 or fat 12...`
`21:19.37`	`absentia`	`ms can suck my @$$H013`
`21:19.53`	`W8TVI`	`its to use in my zaurus`
`21:19.56`	`George-`	`right`
`21:19.59`	`W8TVI`	`can oz use fat32?`
`21:20.08`	`George-`	`my usb is not blown as my spare mouse works :)`
`21:24.41`	`ljp`	`ya, lots of people in Australia use FAT32`
`21:24.55`	`Captain-Obvious`	`I want to use fat33`
`21:25.10`	`ljp`	`ahh, but FAT42 is the answer`
`21:25.47`	`George-`	`shut up`
`21:25.51`	`George-`	`I'm mourning the loss of my mouse`
`21:27.04`	`George-`	`argh, this is a REALLY SHIT MOUSE`
`21:27.52`	`ljp`	`and yo daddy cant afford another mouse?`
`21:28.07`	`George-`	`ljp: ordered one a couple of hours ago`
`21:28.16`	`George-`	`ljp: seems I'm going to get it for xmas`
`21:28.28`	`ljp`	`you know, george, mouse device is an option on computers, you dont really actually need one`
`21:28.47`	`George-`	`_you_ try and play warcraft 3 with a one button mouse`
`21:29.01`	`ljp`	`ahh mac`
`21:29.04`	`George-`	`in fact, try and do ANYTHING with a one button mouse`
`21:29.06`	`ljp`	`hah ahahaha hahahahahaha`
`21:29.13`	`yeiazel`	`HAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA`
`21:29.20`	`George-`	`Captain-Obvious: idiot`
`21:29.23`	`George-`	`3 is enough for me`
`21:29.27`	`absentia`	`macs have 1 button mouse`
`21:29.29`	`absentia`	`what's your issue ?`
`21:29.34`	`yeiazel`	`my chief bought a mac... and a logitech mouse 2 days later`
`21:29.44`	`Captain-Obvious`	`plus it has a scroll wheel that can be clicked too`
`21:29.45`	`absentia`	`the first time I ever used a mac`
`21:29.57`	`absentia`	`iwas a mac II ... and I was told to put an ethernet card in it and get it on the network`
`21:30.06`	`ljp`	`what frickin idiot thought of that brilliant idea of a one button mouse`
`21:30.13`	`absentia`	`I sat down and someone told me to click on the ____ ... I said: which button?`
`21:30.16`	`absentia`	`the person looked at me like I was an idiot`
`21:30.20`	`absentia`	`of course,I'd been using suns for 2+ years`
`21:30.36`	`absentia`	`they were my introduction to mice. I only knew optical 3 button mice.`
`21:30.42`	`absentia`	`in fact, I use to have a delta-move on my mouse of 1 pixel.`
`21:30.54`	`absentia`	`you can't even press the button on a rollerball mouse without getting > 1 pixel of movement.`
`21:31.20`	`Captain-Obvious`	`optical mice are the only way to go`
`21:31.29`	`treke`	`mice are the work of satan`
`21:31.35`	`treke`	`trackballs forever`
`21:31.41`	`Captain-Obvious`	`we should all use tuch screens`
`21:32.01`	`absentia`	`ya`
`21:32.09`	`absentia`	`the only product I like from my is their optical mouse`
`21:32.24`	`ljp`	`my?`
`21:32.25`	`absentia`	`cap: touch screens have their use`
`21:32.31`	`absentia`	`but a mouse is faster and much more accurate.`
`21:34.04`	`Captain-Obvious`	`I want an input glove`
`21:34.09`	`Captain-Obvious`	`and 3d gogles`
`21:36.07`	`ljp`	`me too, I could work much better with those`
`21:38.08`	`Captain-Obvious`	`back in a bit... off to play ghost recon`
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`22:45.14`	`benr`	`here's a stupid question: Can any attest to the diffrence in performance between the 5500 and 5600? Does the 200Mhz diffrence in procs really feel like it's twice as fast?`
`22:45.53`	`yeiazel`	`benr: have you ever compared a pII 400 and a pIII 800 ?`
`22:46.06`	`benr`	`sure.`
`22:46.22`	`yeiazel`	`XScale is the next generation after StrongARM`
`22:46.23`	`benr`	`so are you saying it's a minimal diff?`
`22:46.38`	`yeiazel`	`StrongARM = ARM v4, XScale = ARM v5`
`22:46.55`	`yeiazel`	`by the way, it's not twice as f`
`22:46.58`	`yeiazel`	`by the way, it's not twice as fast, but not far`
`22:47.03`	`benr`	`with 5500's avalible for $200 it's really tempting to jump on the boat.`
`22:47.14`	`yeiazel`	`heh :)`
`22:47.18`	`treke`	`get a 5500, it's probably the better device`
`22:47.24`	`yeiazel`	`I prefer C760's and 6000's :)`
`22:47.25`	`benr`	`so, really the question is, is it's $200+ faster. :)`
`22:47.46`	`benr`	`6000's are avalible yet right?`
`22:47.49`	`treke`	`the extra memory in the 5500 is worth saving 200 bucks`
`22:48.57`	`benr`	`Sharp's site still only shows the 5500 and 5600 avalible.`
`22:49.24`	`benr`	`a 5500 will do the job, and if something comes along in 6 months that blows away the 5600 I'd rather just have the cheapy for now.`
`22:49.38`	`benr`	`i wanna develop on it really.`
`22:49.43`	`kergoth`	`5600 is a definate waste of money`
`22:49.50`	`kergoth`	`either get a 5500 or a c7x0`
`22:49.58`	`yeiazel`	`kergoth: not a 6000 ?`
`22:50.14`	`levi`	`You want to develop on it or develop for it?`
`22:50.16`	`kergoth`	`are 6000's selling yet?`
`22:50.36`	`yeiazel`	`kergoth: for 1 week or so, iirc`
`22:50.54`	`benr`	`ah, looks like 6000 is Q1 04`
`22:51.03`	`benr`	`same proccessor as the 5600`
`22:51.19`	`benr`	`looks mostly like a new case to me.`
`22:51.24`	`yeiazel`	`http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,113683,00.asp`
`22:51.26`	`kergoth`	`uh?`
`22:51.27`	`benr`	`http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=1749`
`22:51.28`	`kergoth`	`go read.`
`22:51.49`	`yeiazel`	`the SL-6000N is available now priced around $835; the SL-6000L will go on sale on December 24 and cost around $910; and the SL-6000W will be available from January 23, 2004 and cost around $1000`
`22:51.51`	`benr`	`ah, bigger screen, there we go.`
`22:52.02`	`George-`	`$1000?!?!?!?!`
`22:52.03`	`George-`	`WTF?!?!`
`22:52.05`	`benr`	`holy shit, who's gonna pay that!?!`
`22:52.09`	`kergoth`	`benr: non-buggy processor.. etc`
`22:52.13`	`benr`	`$400 is still to omuch`
`22:52.17`	`kergoth`	`not consumers, thats for sure`
`22:52.19`	`George-`	`kergoth: PXA-255 right?`
`22:52.23`	`kergoth`	`400 is not too much for this levfel of product`
`22:52.25`	`kergoth`	`George-: yep`
`22:52.25`	`yeiazel`	`benr: non, $400 isn't too much`
`22:52.29`	`George-`	`kergoth: fun :D`
`22:52.32`	`benr`	`kergoth: the 200Mhz Arm's are buggy?`
`22:52.36`	`benr`	`kergoth: can you explain?`
`22:52.39`	`kergoth`	`benr: 5600 doesnt have a 200mhz`
`22:52.44`	`George-`	`benr: no, the PXA-250 is buggy`
`22:52.45`	`kergoth`	`it has a pxa250, 400mhz`
`22:52.45`	`yeiazel`	`benr: the PXA-250's are buggy`
`22:52.51`	`benr`	`kergoth: I'm talking about the 5500`
`22:53.17`	`yeiazel`	`the 5600 has a PXA-250`
`22:53.25`	`yeiazel`	`and c700`
`22:53.26`	`benr`	`hmmmmm.`
`22:53.29`	`George-`	`benr: the SA1110 is a really nice cpu`
`22:53.39`	`yeiazel`	`(SA1110 = StrongARM)`
`22:53.45`	`benr`	`this makes me think I should just get a cheap iPaq and not mess around with QT.`
`22:53.54`	`yeiazel`	`"not mess around" ?`
`22:53.54`	`George-`	`benr: Intel took the SA1110 and turned it into the PXA-250... which sucked...`
`22:54.17`	`benr`	`yeiazel: I'm no fan of QT, or C++`
`22:54.29`	`yeiazel`	`what do you think opie is based on ?`
`22:54.39`	`treke`	`qt and c++`
`22:54.44`	`benr`	`yeiazel: on iPaq with Familiar I could use FB`
`22:54.54`	`kergoth`	`benr: on zaurus with oz or sharp you could use FB`
`22:54.56`	`treke`	`not that you cant do that on a zaurus`
`22:54.56`	`kergoth`	`its linux.`
`22:54.59`	`kergoth`	`do what you want.`
`22:55.00`	`yeiazel`	`benr: on Zaurus with OpenZaurus you could use FB`
`22:55.14`	`George-`	`wtf is FB?`
`22:55.17`	`yeiazel`	`even with the Sharp ROM, yeah`
`22:55.20`	`yeiazel`	`George-: framebuffer`
`22:55.20`	`benr`	`yeiazel: really, and just use straight C without QT wrapping?`
`22:55.32`	`kergoth`	`its linux.`
`22:55.32`	`yeiazel`	`benr: it's Linux`
`22:55.32`	`George-`	`yeiazel: Qt/E uses the fb anyway...`
`22:55.38`	`kergoth`	`DO WHAT YOU WANT`
`22:55.38`	`yeiazel`	`you know Linux ?`
`22:55.38`	`kergoth`	`it just happens to include qtopia out of hte box`
`22:55.47`	`kergoth`	`that doesnt mean you cant use something else instead`
`22:55.47`	`yeiazel`	`benr: free, open-source, all the stuff`
`22:55.56`	`kergoth`	`and OZ is alot like familiar`
`22:56.11`	`benr`	`yeiazel: chill, I've got it.... it's a question of how easy it is to rip out, I've never used the OS direclty before to see how it's setup and how interdependant it is.`
`22:56.33`	`kergoth`	`if you flash oz, its exactly like familiar. readwrite rootfs, uninstall qtopia and install something else`
`22:56.38`	`kergoth`	`yeiazel: familiar istn built from source`
`22:56.38`	`benr`	`yeiazel: never use the OS as it is on Zaurus anyway. :)`
`22:56.43`	`kergoth`	`yeiazel: its a big pile of collected binary ipks`
`22:56.50`	`treke`	`yeiazel: because they have very different design philosophies :)`
`22:57.05`	`treke`	`though familiars isnt that far off from oes`
`22:58.00`	`benr`	`wow, OpenZaurus IS like familiar....... and better..... sweet, I hadn't look at this in a long time.`
`22:58.18`	`benr`	`sweet, now I can stop drewling over those shitty iPaqs.`
`22:59.44`	`benr`	`does OZ have any problems using the SD and CF slots? Or problems with Audio?`
`23:00.12`	`yeiazel`	`OZ has no problem`
`23:00.18`	`benr`	`yeiazel: kool.`
`23:00.26`	`yeiazel`	`why ?`
`23:00.35`	`benr`	`why what?`
`23:00.35`	`yeiazel`	`there is already xmms and mplayer and opie-mediaplayer and... and...`
`23:00.43`	`benr`	`not like this one. :)`
`23:00.46`	`yeiazel`	`oh`
`23:00.52`	`yeiazel`	`what's so great about it ?`
`23:01.07`	`benr`	`it's part of the enlightenment project.`
`23:01.10`	`benr`	`it's uber-pretty.`
`23:01.17`	`yeiazel`	`oohh`
`23:01.25`	`kergoth`	`heh, we have evas, etc packages for oz you may find useful`
`23:01.59`	`benr`	`kergoth: exactly, but only raster is using Z, I need to back up his ports with some real apps on the platforms so we make a good PDA showing for the libs.`
`23:02.20`	`yeiazel`	`wait`
`23:02.44`	`yeiazel`	`you knew than raster was using a zaurus, and though you would be blocked with qt stuff ?`
`23:02.56`	`benr`	`yeiazel: http://www.linux-migration.org/ch05s10.html it's called Eplayer, it's based on Xiph libraries, uses the Enlightenment libraries for the backend and the default theme is intended for touch screens via the FB`
`23:03.03`	`treke`	`evas does have a qt front end iirc`
`23:03.10`	`yeiazel`	`benr: does it play videos ?`
`23:03.11`	`benr`	`erp, wrong url: http://cuddletech.com/edje/shots/eplayer-0.7.6.png`
`23:03.20`	`benr`	`treke: yes it does.... I just wish to avoid it.`
`23:03.33`	`benr`	`yeiazel: no, imho audio players have no business doing video`
`23:03.49`	`benr`	`yeiazel: but I'm starting work on an Mplayer front end..... why compete with the best.`
`23:03.55`	`yeiazel`	`heh :)`
`23:04.00`	`treke`	`mplayer is the best?`
`23:04.01`	`yeiazel`	`I had a project like that`
`23:04.01`	`treke`	`that's scary`
`23:04.16`	`benr`	`totally...... no one can support as much as they can.... but the E project can make it pretty.`
`23:04.33`	`yeiazel`	`treke: I don't know any other player that can play all video files on linux (at least on x86)`
`23:04.42`	`kergoth`	`benr: excellent. i've been waiting to see some pda apps using the E libs for a while now`
`23:04.48`	`kergoth`	`benr: keep me posted`
`23:04.53`	`treke`	`the mplayer authors make kergoth seem friendly`
`23:04.57`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`23:05.04`	`benr`	`kergoth: now that I can get a 5500 for $180, I'm really finally tempted.`
`23:05.05`	`yeiazel`	`treke: :)))`
`23:05.16`	`treke`	`they also seem to not give 1/10th of a shit about licenses`
`23:05.31`	`yeiazel`	`treke: but mplayer keeps being the best... technically speaking`
`23:05.46`	`benr`	`anyway, thanx guys for the opinions on the 5500 vs 5600+.`
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`23:06.02`	`yeiazel`	`benr: mh, do you want some ideas for your player ?`
`23:06.19`	`yeiazel`	`(that I wanted to implement on my vaporware multimedia player for the Z)`
`23:06.23`	`yeiazel`	`s/on/in/`
`23:06.35`	`kergoth`	`heh`
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`23:07.44`	`yeiazel`	`too late, I will not see my ideas implemented`
`23:07.45`	`yeiazel`	`:(`
`23:07.59`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`23:08.08`	`kergoth`	`sounds like it has some potential`
`23:08.32`	`yeiazel`	`anything based on something made by raster has some potential`
`23:09.14`	`kergoth`	`everything raster does ends up perty`
`23:10.50`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`23:11.19`	`yeiazel`	`I WANT DEBIAN PACKAGES FOR E17`
`23:11.30`	`yeiazel`	`(and python-evas on debian and on oz)`
`23:11.36`	`kergoth`	`uh, there are debian packages for e17`
`23:11.42`	`kergoth`	`just not in mainline debian branches`
`23:11.43`	`yeiazel`	`recent ones ?`
`23:11.50`	`kergoth`	`they were recent last time i looked`
`23:12.06`	`treke`	`hell, e17 just needs to become recent`
`23:12.10`	`yeiazel`	`I've fond recent ones... 1 year and a half ago`
`23:12.56`	`treke`	`as far as I can tell, e17 just plain hasnt changed much from a users point of view in the last few years`
`23:13.09`	`kergoth`	`heh, yeah`
`23:14.08`	`yeiazel`	`e17 itself maybe not, but entrance, evidence, entice, etc ?`
`23:14.19`	`yeiazel`	`oh, there's no etc`
`23:14.26`	`yeiazel`	`but for those ?`
`23:14.27`	`treke`	`evidence is apparently still horrid`
`23:14.46`	`yeiazel`	`hah ?`
`23:14.51`	`yeiazel`	`wasn't able to test it`
`23:15.03`	`treke`	`horribly slow`
`23:15.07`	`yeiazel`	`the debian package on its website has disappeard`
`23:15.43`	`kergoth`	`someone should add the rest of e17 to OE, just to make building it less of a huge pain in the ass`
`23:15.57`	`treke`	`I also love the dumb ass decision to make the desktop /home`
`23:16.04`	`yeiazel`	`someone should give me a link to e17 .deb's`
`23:16.21`	`treke`	`"wheee, let's runder 700 files on gregs desktop`
`23:16.27`	`treke`	`render`
`23:16.35`	`yeiazel`	`:]`
`23:16.56`	`treke`	`of course it also swallows the root menu so you're fucked from that point of view`
`23:23.38`	`absentia`	`re`
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`23:28.14`	`oGMo`	`hmm, the Symbol BT SD card doesn't work with the Z does it?`
`23:28.36`	`absentia`	`ok`
`23:28.40`	`absentia`	`I will try to flash now`
`23:28.48`	`absentia`	`I'm going to format my CF as fat 32 on windows 2000`
`23:28.50`	`oGMo`	`what i would give for a z with 2 cf slots`
`23:29.01`	`absentia`	`og: 6000 ?`
`23:30.32`	`oGMo`	`absentia: i'd like a 6000... then i might have less need for 2`
`23:30.42`	`oGMo`	`but i think it only has 1`
`23:31.12`	`oGMo`	`2 would probably take too much space for a pda really`
`23:31.29`	`oGMo`	`when's the 6k out anyway`
`23:31.48`	`Captain-Obvious`	`oGMo, get with the program. it has a sleeve with an extra battery and cf slot`
`23:32.29`	`oGMo`	`Captain-Obvious: oh.`
`23:32.39`	`oGMo`	`well, that doesn't really count`
`23:32.52`	`oGMo`	`but cool. any release date? :P`
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`23:32.55`	`absentia`	`hey chuckr`
`23:33.01`	`Captain-Obvious`	`jan. 04`
`23:33.08`	`absentia`	`1qtr '04`
`23:33.45`	`oGMo`	`woot. almost there.`
`23:34.05`	`oGMo`	`too bad i probably won't be able to afford one ;)`
`23:34.14`	`treke`	`s/probably//`
`23:34.21`	`oGMo`	`:)`
`23:34.24`	`oGMo`	`quite.`
`23:34.54`	`Captain-Obvious`	`for the 6k with BT and wifi will be just over $1000`
`23:36.08`	`oGMo`	`that is silly`
`23:36.24`	`oGMo`	`i could get a subnote that has more and does more for that`
`23:36.37`	`oGMo`	`or like an ibook`
`23:36.37`	`oGMo`	`;)`
`23:36.49`	`Captain-Obvious`	`its a 760 with bt, wifi and it fits in your pocket`
`23:36.55`	`Captain-Obvious`	`rugged`
`23:37.03`	`treke`	`erm, its nothing like a c760`
`23:37.06`	`oGMo`	`not that i wouldn't want a Z, but that's ridiculous`
`23:37.08`	`treke`	`it has a more 5500ish keyboard`
`23:37.22`	`Captain-Obvious`	`other than the shape`
`23:37.30`	`Captain-Obvious`	`oh it and has usb host`
`23:37.41`	`treke`	`it's the size and probably weight of a brick`
`23:38.06`	`Captain-Obvious`	`I think the the 6000 keyboard would be just about right`
`23:38.13`	`Captain-Obvious`	`the 5500 is just a bit too small`
`23:38.33`	`weez\|working`	`the c7xx is really nice tho...`
`23:38.48`	`weez\|working`	`i can type with 4 fingers on it really fast..`
`23:38.54`	`oGMo`	`cool`
`23:39.12`	`weez\|working`	`actually 5 if you count my thumbs and the space bar..`
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`23:40.33`	`k4iNz0W`	`Hello group. Please, I have a question: What is the state of SDIO support in the Zaurus?`
`23:40.38`	`Captain-Obvious`	`none`
`23:40.47`	`Captain-Obvious`	`thats what CF is for`
`23:40.50`	`k4iNz0W`	`Oki. None as in none...`
`23:40.52`	`absentia`	`treke: wil fat32 work for flashing?`
`23:40.55`	`weez\|working`	`even the 6000?`
`23:41.15`	`treke`	`probably, but I dont know`
`23:41.24`	`treke`	`k4iNz0W: the state is that it's pretty much nonexistant`
`23:41.36`	`k4iNz0W`	`Is this a hardware matter or problems with licensing?`
`23:41.51`	`treke`	`The primary problem is drivers`
`23:41.59`	`treke`	`no one writes sdio drivers for linux.`
`23:42.01`	`weez\|working`	`altho with built in bt and wifi, you can use the CF and SD for memory cards pretty much...`
`23:42.03`	`Captain-Obvious`	`the other problem is the hardware`
`23:42.20`	`treke`	`Captain-Obvious: It looks as if the problem is software in the newer devices`
`23:42.53`	`treke`	`Due to the nature of SD, the likely hood of there ever being SDIO devices running on linux pdas is pretty much zero`
`23:43.11`	`absentia`	`why is that ?`
`23:43.22`	`k4iNz0W`	`What is the SD chipset in the SL5500?`
`23:43.25`	`treke`	`absentia: The specs are closed`
`23:43.31`	`oGMo`	`which sucks`
`23:43.42`	`oGMo`	`i'd love to know why sharp decided on sd at all`
`23:43.55`	`oGMo`	`maybe it fit the space requirements or something, but meh.`
`23:43.55`	`treke`	`it's what every other pda uses`
`23:43.58`	`weez\|working`	`what is the alternatives in that size?`
`23:44.04`	`Captain-Obvious`	`memory`
`23:44.09`	`oGMo`	`actually... i haven't seen any other pdas that use sd`
`23:44.18`	`k4iNz0W`	`iPAQ`
`23:44.19`	`oGMo`	`sony uses their own memory stick stuff`
`23:44.22`	`treke`	`oGMo: You obviosly havent looked much :)`
`23:44.24`	`Captain-Obvious`	`most of the ipaqs use it`
`23:44.24`	`weez\|working`	`ahem, what are the alternatives`
`23:44.24`	`yeiazel`	`oGMo: all iPaqs`
`23:44.27`	`oGMo`	`treke: perhaps not`
`23:44.36`	`yeiazel`	`weez\|working: agrees about this question`
`23:44.38`	`oGMo`	`well, ipaqs are nothing compared to palm`
`23:44.42`	`oGMo`	`in terms of sales`
`23:44.44`	`treke`	`most of the ipas use it, axim used it, palm uses it`
`23:44.58`	`Captain-Obvious`	`I think some of the toshiba ce devices might use it`
`23:45.10`	`k4iNz0W`	`SDIO peripherals are starting to appear.`
`23:45.10`	`Captain-Obvious`	`not sure`
`23:45.24`	`k4iNz0W`	`(Like Sandisk's WiFi card)`
`23:45.29`	`treke`	`k4iNz0W: Don't hold your breath`
`23:45.37`	`k4iNz0W`	`Bummer ;^(`
`23:45.42`	`treke`	`until specs start becoming publically available it isnt going to happen`
`23:47.12`	`oGMo`	`i need to switch over to abook, the builtin sharp address book sucks`
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`23:50.55`	`k4iNzOW`	`Opps. Freenode died on me`
`23:51.19`	`k4iNzOW`	`I was asking if there is a way to use 2 CF cards at once.`
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`23:51.40`	`treke`	`not on any of the current devices`
`23:52.49`	`k4iNzOW`	`So no way to use a CF memory card and surf at the same time.`
`23:53.06`	`treke`	`right`
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`23:53.25`	`k4iNzOW`	`Ok. Thank you very much for your support.`
`23:53.42`	`k4iNzOW`	`Cheers!`
`23:59.25`	`enginuit_Z`	`Should the CF card for the flash be fat12 or fat16`
`23:59.30`	`enginuit_Z`	`and what cluster size?`
`23:59.57`	`enginuit_Z`	`I am formatting with my pocketpc`

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