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| 00:28.17 | stuntdr | anyone here in Canada? |
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| 00:49.32 | CodeWarr1or | stuntdr: what do u need? |
| 00:50.20 | stuntdr | hey |
| 00:50.34 | stuntdr | Im searching for screen protectors for my zaurus within canada |
| 00:51.17 | _Psycho | im from canada, but totally no idea |
| 00:51.22 | _Psycho | you checked tigerdirect.ca ? |
| 00:51.31 | _Psycho | else /shrug |
| 00:51.31 | stuntdr | not yet |
| 00:51.46 | stuntdr | are there other pdas that have the same screen size as the zaurus? |
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| 01:57.02 | Foxdie | yo offroadgeek, hows things? |
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| 02:47.20 | meshuga | so is the gba emu usable? or the snes9x? |
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| 03:06.01 | johncd | hello |
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| 04:47.22 | chouimat|Zzzzzz | night |
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| 07:23.03 | W8TVI|z | I need to reinstall gaim on here |
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| 08:48.08 | smashie | hmm anyone knows why like a file /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/1pim/test.desktop is also shown at documents when syncing with QTopia Desktop? |
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| 10:09.09 | smashie | hmm anyone knows why like a file /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/1pim/test.desktop is also shown at documents when syncing with QTopia Desktop? |
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| 10:21.57 | CodeWarrior | moo |
| 10:25.00 | tomimo | I quess this belongs to faq, but what is the status of 2.4.21 sd/mmc support ? Still in development stages ? |
| 10:25.31 | tomimo | it seems that this 2.4.18-embedix has big problems in living with my d-link wlan |
| 10:25.49 | smashie | hmm I also considered buying a d-link |
| 10:26.11 | tomimo | I've actually been quite happy with this card |
| 10:26.23 | tomimo | dcf-660 |
| 10:26.34 | smashie | yea wntaed to buy that at ebay new 79 EUR |
| 10:26.52 | tomimo | it's just that I wanted to try gcc3-distro and perhaps a little bit newer kernel |
| 10:27.18 | tomimo | hah, this was more than 100¤ in january ... :) |
| 10:27.27 | smashie | btw |
| 10:27.29 | smashie | do you know |
| 10:27.30 | smashie | how come |
| 10:27.35 | smashie | I've made my own smybol at PIM |
| 10:27.36 | smashie | for my opera |
| 10:27.44 | smashie | but somehow when syning with qtopia desktop |
| 10:27.49 | smashie | it appears alos in document sthere |
| 10:27.57 | smashie | why is that? |
| 10:28.06 | tomimo | no idea, as I don't use qtopia desktop |
| 10:28.14 | tomimo | I use scp and multisync with linux |
| 10:28.57 | tomimo | I haven't been playing with zaurus too much for the past 6 months, but I'm supposed to go on vacation next week and I need my solitaire :) |
| 10:30.43 | tomimo | anyone know a fix for the following libtool error in buildroot-oz ? |
| 10:30.46 | tomimo | libtool: link: unable to infer tagged configuration |
| 10:30.55 | tomimo | libtool: link: specify a tag with `--tag' |
| 10:31.18 | tomimo | according to google seems to be some sort of mixup with compiler names, but couldn't find a fix |
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| 11:28.09 | zack | Hi |
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| 11:59.12 | zack | How can I get a "binary" thats in *.gz format to work? |
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| 12:26.02 | stew_b | zack: gunzip or tar -xzf if it's tar.gz |
| 12:42.43 | smashie | hmm anyone knows why like a file /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/1pim/test.desktop is also shown at documents when syncing with QTopia Desktop? |
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| 13:19.01 | paulx | morning/afternoon/evening. just been trying to set up qtopiadesktop, but it listens on port 3333 and the zaurus tries to sync on another port |
| 13:19.17 | paulx | anyone point me to something that tells me what's going on? |
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| 13:45.40 | paulx | ok, if qtopiadesktop doesn't work, is there anything else that does? |
| 13:45.51 | paulx | just want to sync an addressbook |
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| 14:05.00 | smashie | hmm anyone knows why like a file /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/1pim/test.desktop is also shown at documents when syncing with QTopia Desktop? |
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| 14:35.02 | JimTheBad | Hello? |
| 14:36.00 | Foxdie | yo |
| 14:36.09 | JimTheBad | Hi! |
| 14:36.19 | JimTheBad | There *is* someone here :) |
| 14:37.15 | Foxdie | :) |
| 14:37.24 | JimTheBad | Got a bit of an issue with flashing my Sl750.... |
| 14:37.43 | JimTheBad | In that it no longer boots :( |
| 14:39.50 | Foxdie | does it do anything when you turn it on? |
| 14:40.01 | Foxdie | and can you get to the flashing menu? |
| 14:40.47 | JimTheBad | Oh yes - I followed the instructions for flashing, any everything went fine... |
| 14:40.56 | Foxdie | but..? |
| 14:41.19 | JimTheBad | Then when I did stage two, reformatting the flash, it just booted to the command line |
| 14:41.24 | JimTheBad | and sat there :( |
| 14:43.02 | Foxdie | which rom was you trying to flash? |
| 14:43.15 | JimTheBad | Kompany rom |
| 14:43.37 | Foxdie | Tried reflashing? |
| 14:43.45 | JimTheBad | Yes...same thing |
| 14:43.56 | Foxdie | could be a fault with that ROM, tried a different one? |
| 14:44.09 | JimTheBad | No, I haven't....that's a good plan |
| 14:44.42 | JimTheBad | I'll give that a try. Could be a fault in the new Kompany ROM, it was only release yesterday |
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| 14:45.29 | Foxdie | try flashing a different ROM to be getting along with (perhaps try the Sash X11 ROM?) and submit a bug report to TheKompany and hopefully they'll fix it |
| 14:46.10 | JimTheBad | That sounds like a plan...it's either a duff ROM or perhaps I am not following the instructions properley |
| 14:46.31 | JimTheBad | I notice there is no kernel image in the Kompany rom, do you think that might be it? |
| 14:48.01 | Foxdie | there's usually 3 files, updater.sh, initrd.bin, tools.tar |
| 14:48.41 | JimTheBad | Tools.tar? Ah, don't have that one! |
| 14:48.56 | Foxdie | however that's for sash's X11 rom |
| 14:49.11 | Foxdie | it could be different for other roms |
| 14:49.25 | Foxdie | do you have a CF reader? |
| 14:49.27 | JimTheBad | I see |
| 14:49.36 | JimTheBad | I can pop it in my laptop |
| 14:49.39 | JimTheBad | So yes |
| 14:50.56 | Foxdie | tell me what files are on the CF card |
| 14:51.36 | JimTheBad | Well, theres the updater.sh, and initrd.bin, and a Documents directory |
| 14:51.39 | JimTheBad | and that's it |
| 14:52.05 | Foxdie | not enough files there |
| 14:52.17 | JimTheBad | :o |
| 14:52.20 | Foxdie | download the rom again and see if the files are there :) |
| 14:53.25 | JimTheBad | I got it off the sourceforge site....there are only two files there |
| 14:53.48 | JimTheBad | Apparently it uses the existing Sharp kernel |
| 14:53.49 | Foxdie | how big is initrd.bin? |
| 14:54.19 | JimTheBad | 35.3 Mb |
| 14:54.25 | Foxdie | hmm should be big enough then |
| 14:54.41 | Foxdie | you sure you formatted the user area after you flashed it? |
| 14:54.52 | JimTheBad | No, I never did that! |
| 14:55.09 | JimTheBad | Do you mean of the CF card? |
| 14:55.17 | JimTheBad | *of / on |
| 14:59.35 | Foxdie | nope |
| 14:59.38 | Foxdie | the internal ram |
| 14:59.45 | smashie | hmm anyone knows why like a file /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/1pim/test.desktop is also shown at documents when syncing with QTopia Desktop? |
| 15:01.23 | JimTheBad | Foxdie: Ah, right see what you mean - yes, it was that step that failed - nothing happens |
| 15:01.49 | JimTheBad | I am downloading cacko's ROM now, will try that. |
| 15:02.46 | Foxdie | the cacko rom is advanced shit, the interface is a lot different :) |
| 15:02.50 | JimTheBad | Actually, I will try the old version of TKCROM first, as I already have that |
| 15:03.01 | JimTheBad | Cacko ROM runs X11, does it not? |
| 15:03.38 | Foxdie | yep |
| 15:03.48 | JimTheBad | That's...interesting |
| 15:04.21 | JimTheBad | It's very cool, but I want a PDA/mini-laptop hybrid, which is difficult with X11 |
| 15:04.42 | JimTheBad | Still, on the other hand, it would be cool to run all those X11 apps on it. |
| 15:05.57 | Foxdie | well it's not that simple |
| 15:06.18 | Foxdie | the development / porting of standard x86 based can be tricky |
| 15:07.27 | JimTheBad | Not that tricky...done it myself :) |
| 15:07.47 | Foxdie | heh perhaps you could help out if you've got the time :) |
| 15:08.01 | Foxdie | give the X11 ROM a try and see if you like it |
| 15:08.06 | JimTheBad | I would....and I don't, sadly :( |
| 15:08.46 | JimTheBad | Anyway, have to pop downstairs to transfer files onto this CF card - Be back in five |
| 15:09.28 | Foxdie | okay |
| 15:10.07 | smashie | hmm cant anybody help me tho? |
| 15:12.16 | Foxdie | smashie: I can't say I've heard of your problem, sorry :) |
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| 15:22.24 | JimTheBad | Ok, here we go again...flashing with the older tkcROM... |
| 15:24.19 | JimTheBad | It's doing the ---- Zaurus CF updater ----- bit |
| 15:25.29 | JimTheBad | Smashie - no idea - is it a big deal? |
| 15:27.23 | Foxdie | hows it going jim? |
| 15:27.37 | JimTheBad | Same thing! |
| 15:27.40 | JimTheBad | Damn. |
| 15:28.09 | Foxdie | you sure this older rom had 3 files? |
| 15:28.09 | JimTheBad | Do you know where I can download the orginal sharp kernel? |
| 15:28.16 | JimTheBad | No, only two |
| 15:28.34 | JimTheBad | It runs on top of the standard kernel, apparently |
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| 15:28.50 | Foxdie | well it's apparent that you've screwed up the standard kernel at this stage :) |
| 15:28.59 | Foxdie | I'd try flashing the X11 ROM instead |
| 15:29.15 | JimTheBad | OK, it's just downloaded |
| 15:29.31 | JimTheBad | So I will try it. Be back in five (again) |
| 15:30.20 | Foxdie | make sure you clear the internal storage after you flash it too |
| 15:33.12 | Foxdie | btw you can also partition the actual rom area to 25 megs, that's all it needs |
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| 15:43.13 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:44.00 | mark_F | morning chouimat |
| 15:44.36 | JimTheBad | Foxdie - trying again with Cacko rom |
| 15:44.48 | Foxdie | it failed the first time? |
| 15:45.07 | JimTheBad | Well, with tkcROM |
| 15:45.11 | Foxdie | ahh |
| 15:45.14 | Foxdie | nm then :) |
| 15:45.18 | JimTheBad | Well, it's rebooting |
| 15:45.27 | JimTheBad | There a piccie of Tux.... |
| 15:45.27 | Foxdie | have you flashed it yet or are you just about to? |
| 15:45.34 | JimTheBad | Just doen it |
| 15:45.46 | Foxdie | ahh, did you resize the rom partition to 25 megs? |
| 15:46.00 | JimTheBad | Ooh, no I didn't |
| 15:46.05 | Foxdie | it's not important |
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| 15:46.15 | Foxdie | but it would have given you a little extra storage space |
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| 15:46.33 | JimTheBad | Fair enough....will probably reflash again in a bit anyway |
| 15:46.36 | Foxdie | you can reflash it anytime :) |
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| 16:01.11 | JimTheBad | Nawh, this is not working at all :( |
| 16:01.41 | JimTheBad | I got a lot of 'file not found' errors flash up during the install |
| 16:03.31 | JimTheBad | Fuck. |
| 16:03.40 | JimTheBad | It won't boot at all now |
| 16:06.12 | smashie | Foxide well it is |
| 16:06.16 | smashie | its annoying |
| 16:07.09 | smashie | f~JimTheBad: well yea it is. s its frankyl annoying storing files in teh documents root, and after time I'll loose the overview of all those |
| 16:07.46 | smashie | and its also strange, as I upload those in totally different dirs, but still they appear at syncing in teh Documents folder |
| 16:08.04 | smashie | maybe it deiects any changes I've done to the 'standard(default' OZ I flashed on, dunno really |
| 16:09.17 | JimTheBad | Hmm, Obviously Qtopia thinks you want this file as a document. |
| 16:09.49 | JimTheBad | Don't know I'm afraid...and can't help because my Z is currently a very expensive paperweight. |
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| 16:10.55 | smashie | hmm |
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| 16:25.27 | JimTheBad | offroadgeek: You use the cacko rom, do you not? |
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| 16:40.25 | Foxdie | sorry jim, rl called, where were we? |
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| 16:41.56 | Foxdie | Yo offroadgeek on your 760 ;) |
| 16:42.36 | JimTheBad | I am having loads of problems |
| 16:42.53 | Foxdie | You've got the ROM installed okay? |
| 16:42.59 | JimTheBad | Neither the tckROM or cacko ROM will boot |
| 16:43.29 | Foxdie | Okay lets start from scratch |
| 16:43.36 | JimTheBad | OK |
| 16:43.41 | Foxdie | first off, your CF card, what filesystems it formatted as? |
| 16:43.59 | JimTheBad | Well, I mount it under linux as vfat |
| 16:44.24 | Foxdie | okay, do you know how to format the CF card under linux? |
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| 16:44.37 | JimTheBad | Actually, no I don't |
| 16:44.43 | Foxdie | damn, neither do I |
| 16:44.52 | Foxdie | okay lemme look it up, one sec |
| 16:44.55 | JimTheBad | I'm sure I can work it out |
| 16:45.07 | Foxdie | I know where the answer is, one sec |
| 16:45.12 | JimTheBad | They come formatted as FAT16, anyway? |
| 16:45.30 | Foxdie | yeah but it can't help to reformat it in case that's the problem, eliminating all options :) |
| 16:45.48 | JimTheBad | Yes, I can see where you're comming from |
| 16:46.12 | JimTheBad | The updater stuff works though, so it is reading the card |
| 16:47.27 | Foxdie | yeah thats true, I'm guessing that there's perhaps a bad block on the card |
| 16:47.43 | JimTheBad | Hey, somethings happening.... |
| 16:47.49 | Foxdie | Oh? |
| 16:48.07 | offroadgeek[760] | JimTheBad, no, have it flashed with the x11 rom now |
| 16:48.15 | offroadgeek[760] | i used to use the cacko rom... whats up? |
| 16:48.26 | JimTheBad | Yeah, tried to reboot, and it just sat there with a picture of Tux for a while |
| 16:48.29 | Foxdie | org: he means the X11 ROM I believe |
| 16:48.41 | JimTheBad | Then it tried to boot |
| 16:48.47 | JimTheBad | loads of crap came up |
| 16:48.55 | Foxdie | it should sit there for about 2 minutes with the Tux on screen before it starts X11 |
| 16:49.04 | JimTheBad | offroadgeek: Was wanting your input of reflashing, is all |
| 16:49.18 | JimTheBad | All the info that came up is error messages, though |
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| 16:49.51 | JimTheBad | Hmmm, maybe, just maybe, this is all me being impatient |
| 16:50.11 | Foxdie | Patience is generally a good thing |
| 16:50.50 | JimTheBad | Foxdie - you are right! :) |
| 16:50.52 | Foxdie | okay have you got your CF card in your laptop? |
| 16:51.28 | JimTheBad | Laptop is downstairs...I'm going to have another bash, this time with added paitience :D |
| 16:51.39 | Foxdie | well |
| 16:51.48 | Foxdie | I was going to suggest I take you through it step by step to ensure it works :) |
| 16:52.31 | JimTheBad | OK, that would be great - I will go downstairs and put the right files on, and check it's FAT16 and come back |
| 16:52.48 | Foxdie | you should reformat the CF card first |
| 16:53.01 | Foxdie | and then copy the 3 files to the base / root folder of the CF card. |
| 16:53.06 | JimTheBad | I can do that |
| 16:53.24 | JimTheBad | The format is currently whatever SanDisk CF cards come as |
| 16:53.25 | Foxdie | and then flash away, when you've done that and you're about to start flashing come back and I'll take you through the menu options |
| 16:53.34 | JimTheBad | Cool! |
| 16:53.39 | JimTheBad | Thanks |
| 16:53.43 | Foxdie | np |
| 16:53.43 | JimTheBad | BRB |
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| 16:57.41 | offroadgeek[760] | back... cuddling with my dog :) |
| 16:58.52 | Foxdie | aww :) |
| 16:59.19 | offroadgeek[760] | yeah.. shes my baby |
| 17:02.08 | Foxdie | hmm, clones |
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| 17:03.13 | offroadgeek[760] | clones? |
| 17:03.29 | Foxdie | yeah, 2 people connected on IRC from the same machine |
| 17:04.34 | Foxdie | well 2 or more |
| 17:04.53 | offroadgeek[760] | ah |
| 17:05.09 | offroadgeek[760] | damn, konq is *terribly* slow |
| 17:10.13 | offroadgeek[760] | http://www.yappytales.com/modules.php?set_albumName=album02&id=DSC01125&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_photo.php |
| 17:10.30 | offroadgeek[760] | check that link out foxdie |
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| 17:29.48 | Foxdie | checking it out now :) |
| 17:29.52 | Foxdie | hows it going JimTheBad? |
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| 17:55.56 | JimTheBad | Oh hi, |
| 17:56.20 | JimTheBad | I found that the initrd.bin file of the CF card was of zero length |
| 17:56.49 | JimTheBad | Which can;t help :) |
| 17:59.58 | Foxdie | indeed |
| 18:00.04 | Foxdie | Hows it going though? |
| 18:00.12 | JimTheBad | It's looking a lot more promising this time |
| 18:00.21 | JimTheBad | It's rebooting now... |
| 18:00.30 | Foxdie | good luck :) |
| 18:00.30 | JimTheBad | I'll be patient this time :) |
| 18:00.35 | JimTheBad | Thanks |
| 18:00.38 | JimTheBad | Oohh |
| 18:00.40 | Foxdie | it should only take about 2 minutes |
| 18:00.45 | JimTheBad | INIT booting! |
| 18:00.52 | JimTheBad | Whay hey! |
| 18:01.11 | Foxdie | btw is this booting from the CF or the internal storage? |
| 18:01.20 | JimTheBad | Internal! |
| 18:01.27 | Foxdie | so you've flashed it already? |
| 18:01.41 | Foxdie | and gone through the nice text based bluey / white menu system? |
| 18:01.41 | JimTheBad | It's just doen the calibration thing |
| 18:01.44 | JimTheBad | WHOO_HOO! |
| 18:01.45 | Foxdie | oh yeah |
| 18:01.46 | Foxdie | good :) |
| 18:01.48 | JimTheBad | Loging screen |
| 18:01.53 | Foxdie | root / no password |
| 18:02.05 | JimTheBad | :) :) :) :) |
| 18:02.05 | Foxdie | I recommend you set one though as soon as you get in |
| 18:02.32 | JimTheBad | Well, I was not planning on keeping this ROM... |
| 18:02.51 | Foxdie | Yeah that's understandable |
| 18:02.54 | JimTheBad | still....X11 on palmtop |
| 18:02.59 | JimTheBad | Cool! |
| 18:03.34 | Foxdie | take a poke around and see if you like it, all the ipks you can find at http://www.zaurususergroup.com/x11feed/ |
| 18:03.46 | Foxdie | if not, well you know how to flash it properly now ;) |
| 18:04.03 | JimTheBad | Absolutely |
| 18:04.15 | JimTheBad | Thanks mate, you have been a huge help |
| 18:04.23 | Foxdie | No problem, glad to help |
| 18:04.38 | Foxdie | Heh I just realised you only live about 30 miles north of me :) |
| 18:05.16 | JimTheBad | !! |
| 18:05.25 | JimTheBad | Where are you? |
| 18:06.05 | JimTheBad | Birmingham? |
| 18:06.14 | JimTheBad | West Bromidge? |
| 18:06.27 | Foxdie | brum :) |
| 18:06.36 | Foxdie | *birmingham |
| 18:06.42 | JimTheBad | Oh, where abouts? I used to live there |
| 18:06.53 | Foxdie | In a little hellhole called Redditch |
| 18:06.59 | Foxdie | near bromsgrove / conventry |
| 18:07.21 | JimTheBad | Redditch? LOL, used to work in Redditch |
| 18:07.26 | Foxdie | heh which company? :) |
| 18:07.40 | JimTheBad | Parascan |
| 18:07.55 | JimTheBad | South moons industrial estate |
| 18:08.29 | Foxdie | heh I don't live far from there |
| 18:08.59 | JimTheBad | Small world :) |
| 18:09.06 | Foxdie | indeed it is :) |
| 18:09.51 | JimTheBad | Well, I'm going to have my dinner, now....and then I'll try to put the Kompany rom on |
| 18:09.58 | Foxdie | okay, good luck |
| 18:10.03 | JimTheBad | Thanks for your help, mate |
| 18:10.07 | Foxdie | no prob |
| 18:10.08 | JimTheBad | See you in a bit |
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| 20:01.39 | JimTheBad | Still there, Foxdie? |
| 20:01.50 | JimTheBad | Got the tkcROM installed |
| 20:01.52 | Foxdie | Yep :) |
| 20:01.53 | JimTheBad | Woot |
| 20:01.55 | Foxdie | cool, does it work? |
| 20:02.02 | JimTheBad | It's supurb |
| 20:02.06 | JimTheBad | :D |
| 20:02.27 | JimTheBad | I'm using sash's kernel, though |
| 20:02.35 | JimTheBad | Seems to be fine that way |
| 20:02.47 | Foxdie | it should just patch over the top of it |
| 20:03.40 | JimTheBad | That it did |
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| 20:58.49 | absentia | re |
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| 21:04.29 | George- | ibot seen mark |
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| 21:18.32 | absentia | re |
| 21:19.09 | JimTheBad | re! |
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| 21:32.47 | smashie | hmm anyone knows why like a file /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/1pim/test.desktop is also shown at documents when syncing with QTopia Desktop? |
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| 21:59.28 | paulx | can anyone tell me how to use qtopiadesktop? |
| 21:59.46 | paulx | it's listening on a different port than the zaurus is trying to connect to |
| 22:01.13 | lpotter | which rom? |
| 22:01.25 | paulx | sharp |
| 22:01.30 | lpotter | and where did you get the qd? |
| 22:01.54 | paulx | trolltech |
| 22:01.56 | paulx | 1.7.0 |
| 22:02.00 | lpotter | which version of sharp rom? |
| 22:02.17 | paulx | 3.10 |
| 22:02.41 | lpotter | the newer version of sharp rom - 3.1 doesnt work with qd from TT, you'll have to get the windows version from sharp, as they dont have a linux version |
| 22:02.54 | paulx | damn |
| 22:03.15 | paulx | is there any alternative |
| 22:03.17 | paulx | ? |
| 22:03.45 | lpotter | dont know. sharp is off on their own on this one |
| 22:04.05 | paulx | does opie have anything? |
| 22:04.21 | lpotter | not that syncs with sharp rom 3.1 |
| 22:04.30 | paulx | I don't mind changing the rom |
| 22:04.35 | paulx | but preferably a late kernel |
| 22:04.36 | lpotter | which device? |
| 22:04.40 | paulx | 5500 |
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| 22:05.07 | lpotter | you can use a previous sharp rom - 2.49 I think, or use an openzaurus images |
| 22:05.17 | lpotter | qd from TT should mostly work with opie |
| 22:05.44 | paulx | is multisync worth looking at? |
| 22:08.38 | lpotter | if you use evolution |
| 22:09.25 | paulx | ok, thanks. |
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| 22:37.13 | George- | arghh, no, not LPOTTER |
| 22:37.28 | absentia | ? |
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