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| 00:12.37 | ruiedd | Disconnect: any sugestions? |
| 00:12.45 | ruiedd | :) |
| 00:14.33 | ruiedd | ups, wrong channel... |
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| 00:20.25 | ljp | george |
| 00:20.26 | George- | ibot seen mark |
| 00:20.37 | | mark is currently on #zaurus. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 3h 14m 41s |
| 00:20.37 | George- | ~seen mark |
| 00:20.38 | | mark is currently on #zaurus. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 3h 14m 42s |
| 00:20.38 | George- | hrmm |
| 00:20.38 | George- | ibot! |
| 00:20.42 | ljp | heh |
| 00:20.48 | chouimat | hi George- ljp |
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| 00:21.32 | | bobcat <~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #elinux, 236d 4h 37m 47s ago, saying: 'énic'. |
| 00:22.12 | gerrynjr | !seen shithead |
| 00:22.19 | gerrynjr | ~seen shithead |
| 00:22.19 | | shithead <quarkquasa@0-1pool135-154.nas2.tempe1.az.us.da.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #picogui, 346d 31m 31s ago, saying: 'nah'. |
| 00:22.26 | gerrynjr | lmao |
| 00:22.40 | gerrynjr | ~seen blah |
| 00:22.40 | | blah <~blah@12-238-252-26.client.attbi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #tomcat, 83d 2h 11m 44s ago, saying: 'does anyone have a sec to answer a quick question about running servlets?'. |
| 00:23.00 | gerrynjr | ~seen antidisestablishmentarianism |
| 00:23.01 | | gerrynjr: i haven't seen 'antidisestablishmentarianism' |
| 00:25.17 | ljp | ~seen boredidiots |
| 00:25.21 | | ljp: i haven't seen 'boredidiots' |
| 00:25.37 | gerrynjr | ~seen dumbshit |
| 00:25.37 | | i haven't seen 'dumbshit', gerrynjr |
| 00:25.48 | Disconnect | um. he does that in privmsg, too.. |
| 00:25.51 | ljp | ~seen yomomma |
| 00:25.52 | | i haven't seen 'yomomma', ljp |
| 00:26.46 | ljp | ~seen surfgirls |
| 00:26.46 | | i haven't seen 'surfgirls', ljp |
| 00:27.11 | ljp | ibot: seen santa claus |
| 00:27.13 | | ljp: i haven't seen 'santa claus' |
| 00:27.51 | ljp | no as fun in private msg |
| 00:27.56 | ljp | not |
| 00:30.29 | chouimat | ibot surfgirls |
| 00:30.32 | | chouimat: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 00:31.13 | ljp | ibot: surfgirls is sometimes called sharp biscuts |
| 00:31.18 | | ljp: okay |
| 00:31.27 | Luke-Jr | anyone here done crosscompiling for Z before? |
| 00:31.31 | chouimat | ibot surfgirl |
| 00:31.39 | | it has been said that surfgirl is with who ljp want to wake up in the morning |
| 00:31.40 | ljp | ibot: no, surfgirls is sometimes called shark buscuts |
| 00:31.42 | | okay, ljp |
| 00:31.49 | ljp | ibot: no, surfgirls is sometimes called shark biscuts |
| 00:31.50 | | ljp: okay |
| 00:31.55 | ljp | blerh |
| 00:32.05 | ljp | cross..whaa? |
| 00:32.20 | ljp | I am doing it as we speak |
| 00:32.25 | Bala | heh.. |
| 00:32.36 | Bala | whats the question Luke-Jr? |
| 00:32.44 | Luke-Jr | What CFLAGS and CHOST are used for it? |
| 00:33.22 | ljp | hmm. donno, whatever qmake uses :) |
| 00:33.29 | Bala | depends on the architecture you are targeting... |
| 00:33.35 | Luke-Jr | Bala: Z |
| 00:33.43 | Luke-Jr | XScale |
| 00:34.30 | Bala | -DQT_QWS_SL5XXX -DQT_QWS_SHARP -DQT_QWS_EBX -DQT_QWS_CUSTOM -c -pipe -DQWS -fno-exceptions -fno-rtti -Wall -W -O2 -DQT_NO_DEBUG |
| 00:34.41 | Bala | is what qmake uses... |
| 00:34.59 | Bala | but thats specific to the 5000/5500 |
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| 00:36.45 | Luke-Jr | Bala: do those use XScale? |
| 00:37.20 | treke | Bala: not really. The c7xx uses that also. |
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| 00:37.51 | Bala | nothing there is xscale specific... |
| 00:37.53 | Bala | treke: including the QT_QWS_SL5XXX ? |
| 00:37.56 | treke | Bala: yup |
| 00:38.03 | Bala | nice one. |
| 00:38.13 | treke | Bala: No one ever got around to creating new defines for them since they arent really necessaryy |
| 00:38.24 | Bala | treke..ah... |
| 00:41.02 | Bala | woohoo... my SoftGL port actually works.. :) |
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| 00:42.39 | treke | sweet |
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| 00:43.38 | Bala | took a little to get all the templates to compile with gcc 2.95... and then to write a QTE rendering backend... |
| 00:49.07 | Bala | http://www.geocities.com/rrusaw74/screenshots/sc2.png << the spinning cube |
| 00:49.33 | omin0us | Bala: what is that? |
| 00:49.42 | treke | hmmm. |
| 00:49.44 | Bala | i ported SoftGL |
| 00:49.48 | Bala | thats the test app |
| 00:49.50 | treke | wonder how gcc3 would do with that |
| 00:50.06 | gerrynjr | Bala> how fast is it? |
| 00:50.27 | Bala | i havent tested the FPS.. |
| 00:50.30 | Bala | that i can get |
| 00:52.10 | Bala | if you trust unknow executables i can send you the app and the library... you can see for youself |
| 00:52.52 | Bala | heh |
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| 01:05.28 | Twiun | Bala: visually, how fast is it :) |
| 01:07.19 | Bala | its being refreshed at the rate of my QTimer as near as I can tell.. 33 fps |
| 01:07.54 | Twiun | which model Zaurus? |
| 01:08.04 | Bala | 5500 |
| 01:08.08 | Twiun | nice! |
| 01:08.45 | Bala | i thought so :) |
| 01:09.46 | Twiun | you realise that there's an opengl Java2d implementation around? |
| 01:09.56 | Twiun | one more step towards an open source Java for the Zaurus! |
| 01:09.58 | Bala | i dont do java :) |
| 01:10.49 | Bala | i used warmi's assembly blitting routines... figure that any extra speed will help :) |
| 01:11.37 | chouimat | night |
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| 01:16.32 | Bala | http://www.geocities.com/rrusaw74/simple.tgz |
| 01:17.07 | Bala | thats the binary.. jsut LD_PRELOAD the .so so it can find it |
| 01:17.40 | Bala | its about 1MB uncompressed |
| 01:17.52 | Twiun | wish I could... no device to test it on unfortunately |
| 01:27.25 | Bala | ah ok.. |
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| 02:16.34 | rev | yo treke |
| 02:16.43 | treke|home | yo |
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| 02:33.53 | rev | yarrr |
| 02:37.00 | W8TVI | this is an interesting thread |
| 02:37.03 | W8TVI | http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=ea82e822.0308270512.2ffb7b87%40posting.google.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dmsgid:%253Cea82e822.0308270512.2ffb7b87%40posting.google.com%253E%26ic%3D1 |
| 02:38.11 | W8TVI | d'oh |
| 02:38.35 | rev | heh |
| 02:38.42 | W8TVI | the message I was refering to, isnt on goggle |
| 02:38.47 | W8TVI | google |
| 02:38.52 | rev | heh |
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| 02:39.03 | rev | just a litte d'oh then :P |
| 02:40.23 | W8TVI | here we are |
| 02:40.27 | W8TVI | http://groups.google.com/groups?q=msgid:<20030901172055.0525c67f.s_popov@prosyst.bg>&ic=1 |
| 02:42.21 | rev | interesting |
| 02:42.43 | rev | but anyone coding for xscale or SA will be avoiding FP at all costs |
| 02:42.47 | rev | or at least they should be :P |
| 02:42.55 | Twiun | too bloody right |
| 02:43.01 | Twiun | fixed-point math all the way! |
| 02:43.11 | rev | on a CPU with no FPU that is usually the best idea |
| 02:43.15 | rev | i mean as much as you can |
| 02:43.15 | W8TVI | think thats worth saving on a website? like the zaurus user group? |
| 02:43.24 | rev | W8TVI: i don't |
| 02:43.26 | rev | i mean |
| 02:43.37 | rev | it just says that the SA is slightly better at FP emulation than the XScale PXA25x |
| 02:43.46 | rev | nothing earth shattering or too seful in practice |
| 02:43.55 | rev | but no one ever died from having too much useful information |
| 02:44.27 | W8TVI | I think I'll add it to the howto wiki |
| 02:44.58 | W8TVI | sence I dont know of any better place to stick it right now :) |
| 02:46.13 | Twiun | it's a shame he doesn't say which XScale he benchmarked |
| 02:46.21 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 02:46.45 | W8TVI | but sence they were talking about the PXA250 just before |
| 02:46.59 | Twiun | yeah, would have been interesting to see the pxa255 benchmarks |
| 02:47.09 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 02:47.27 | rev | quite |
| 02:47.31 | W8TVI | "My point was that this is simply not true with the SA11xx and PXA250." |
| 02:47.59 | W8TVI | bah! |
| 02:48.09 | W8TVI | I'll just put it on my website |
| 02:48.36 | rev | actually |
| 02:48.37 | rev | that info is useful |
| 02:48.41 | Twiun | "... microprocessor architects do to speed up execution of instruction sequences... " [gets trashed by poor software designed to waste CPU cycles] |
| 02:48.43 | jdh41 | score first crash of the Z since the reinstall |
| 02:48.56 | Twiun | [] bits added for reality-checking |
| 02:49.01 | rev | maybe it'll help fewer poor scmucks buy an SL-5600 because they think it is twice as fast as the 5500 |
| 02:49.03 | rev | but then again |
| 02:49.31 | rev | if they didn't encounter that fact as a result of not doing any research then they're not likely to find your info |
| 02:49.39 | treke|home | and have 3 times as much ram |
| 02:49.42 | rev | heh |
| 02:49.47 | rev | suckers |
| 02:49.50 | W8TVI | lol |
| 02:49.58 | treke|home | I'm really annoyed by sharp over their 5600 advertising |
| 02:50.13 | treke|home | it's really deceptive almost to horribly dishonest |
| 02:50.15 | rev | understandable |
| 02:50.19 | rev | er |
| 02:50.23 | rev | your annoyance is udnerstandable |
| 02:50.27 | Twiun | "I'm really annoyed by ... advertising" |
| 02:50.28 | rev | their dishonesty isn't |
| 02:50.29 | rev | heh |
| 02:50.37 | Twiun | sums it all up I think |
| 02:51.26 | rev | well |
| 02:51.35 | rev | not all advertising is made of borderline lies |
| 02:51.41 | treke|home | exactly |
| 02:51.49 | W8TVI | just most of it |
| 02:52.05 | treke|home | saying the 5500 had 64MB of ram was fine, even though you couldnt usse it in the current state, it's there |
| 02:52.13 | rev | mmhmm |
| 02:52.29 | treke|home | saying the 5600 has 96 megs of memory is over the line |
| 02:52.34 | W8TVI | slider? |
| 02:52.41 | treke|home | since you will at no time have 96 megs of either storage or ram |
| 02:52.59 | treke|home | W8TVI: The memory split is adjusted on the fly |
| 02:52.59 | rev | W8TVI: the 5500 comes with 64 MB of RAM; it is split by default into 32 MB "storage" and 32 MB "program RAM" |
| 02:53.03 | treke|home | rev: It would be handy |
| 02:53.15 | rev | in WinCE you can manually control the split yourself without kernel hacks or even reboots |
| 02:53.23 | treke|home | rev: I suspect there are probably some internals that would go crazy if you adjusted it |
| 02:53.27 | rev | and the system will grab one or the other if it's needed |
| 02:53.57 | treke|home | some function will go "whoa... where was that spare ram" |
| 02:54.05 | rev | that is, if i had 64 MB of RAM, half to each; i had 4 MB program RAM in use and 10 MB of storage ram in use... then i tried to copy a 40 MB file to the system, it would automaticaly change the allocation so that the file would fit |
| 02:54.11 | rev | yeah |
| 02:54.15 | rev | that is probably why you can't do it |
| 02:54.25 | rev | it may require rewriting some memory subsystems |
| 02:54.27 | rev | but shit |
| 02:54.28 | rev | at the very least |
| 02:54.40 | rev | it'd be nice to have a slider in a settings panel that wouldn't go into effect until you rebooted |
| 02:54.43 | rev | then you wouldn't run into that |
| 02:54.54 | treke|home | the ipaq you could have done that with |
| 02:54.57 | treke|home | I just never wrote the cod |
| 02:54.59 | rev | not as nice, but stilla lot better than having to recompile your kernel |
| 02:55.01 | rev | ah |
| 02:55.04 | rev | exactly |
| 02:55.13 | W8TVI | and it's be nice if you could change the ramdisk withp out loosing anything |
| 02:55.13 | treke|home | With the ipaq and oe youd do "ipkg install nvrd-48-16 |
| 02:55.15 | treke|home | then reboot |
| 02:55.16 | rev | one could do everything on the Zaurus |
| 02:55.20 | rev | but no one has written the code yet |
| 02:55.22 | rev | ;) |
| 02:55.22 | treke|home | W8TVI: Buy an ipaq. It could. |
| 02:55.25 | rev | ah that is slick treke |
| 02:55.33 | rev | good work treke |
| 02:55.51 | treke|home | hehe. We had a decent bootloader, so it was just a matter of manipulating the kernel command line |
| 02:56.01 | rev | yeah |
| 02:56.11 | treke|home | W8TVI: You'll be able to once the 2.4.21 stuff happens |
| 02:56.19 | rev | why hasn't sharp taken that code? or one of these other custom ROM folks? |
| 02:56.20 | W8TVI | and ipaq would be a downgrade |
| 02:56.24 | W8TVI | cool |
| 02:56.50 | treke|home | i'd still take one over a 5500 any day |
| 02:56.56 | rev | yeah no shit |
| 02:56.56 | rev | me too |
| 02:57.02 | rev | hell |
| 02:57.13 | rev | i'd take a greyscale 3150 over the 5500 |
| 02:57.37 | rev | if you're going to have a non-eye-candy screen, you may as well make it lower-power |
| 02:57.42 | treke|home | real nice power management |
| 02:58.13 | W8TVI | I've never been to impressed by any of the ipaqs I've seen |
| 02:58.41 | W8TVI | http://the-collective.net/~kb8sjt/zaurus/groups.html |
| 02:58.57 | rev | i've never been impressed with the zaurus 5x00s i've seen |
| 02:59.05 | treke|home | having two cf slots was also great |
| 02:59.11 | rev | how could one not be impressed by the ipaq? |
| 02:59.15 | rev | it was the first of the current kind |
| 02:59.20 | rev | really set a lot of bars |
| 02:59.24 | W8TVI | looks and feels like a toy |
| 02:59.36 | rev | ahhh, and the Z is a real man's tool, PMT and all |
| 02:59.37 | rev | heh |
| 03:00.59 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:01.01 | rev | not sure what is so different between a 5500 and an ipaq |
| 03:01.03 | rev | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.05 | rev | have a little screen |
| 03:01.14 | treke|home | except the ipaq has a bigger screen :) |
| 03:01.23 | rev | the ipaq always felt more solid to me, brick like; and the paint didn't scuff so easily |
| 03:01.38 | rev | treke|home: oh yeah, that |
| 03:01.50 | W8TVI | the new thin ipaqs feel like they would break if you sneezed on it |
| 03:01.50 | W8TVI | ibot sa-pxa is http://the-collective.net/~kb8sjt/zaurus/groups.html |
| 03:01.52 | | W8TVI: okay |
| 03:01.52 | jdh41 | the Z is crashing on "ifup bnep0" |
| 03:01.52 | jdh41 | nn all |
| 03:01.52 | rev | like the toshiba |
| 03:02.07 | rev | i can't talk about the newest ipaqs, never used one |
| 03:02.08 | W8TVI | what is bnep0? |
| 03:02.22 | treke|home | I've heard the 5500 really feels like a brick |
| 03:02.48 | treke|home | and that it's too heavy and slick |
| 03:02.49 | treke|home | easy to drop |
| 03:03.00 | W8TVI | I've messed with one at our local electronics store and the little ipaqs feel like a toy |
| 03:03.01 | rev | yeah |
| 03:03.05 | W8TVI | feels cheap |
| 03:03.09 | rev | i'm always good with PDAs, pamper them |
| 03:03.16 | rev | but i managed to have the 5500 fly out of my hands a couple times |
| 03:03.22 | W8TVI | the 5x00 doesnt |
| 03:03.24 | Twiun | got to head to bed... it's far too late for me :) |
| 03:03.24 | rev | heh |
| 03:03.32 | Pendalar | tc Twiun |
| 03:03.34 | reddog_ | mine usually just pops in my coat pocket |
| 03:03.35 | rev | i thin it's in your head W8TVI |
| 03:03.44 | rev | one runs linux and the other runs CE by default |
| 03:03.49 | rev | i think it's leaking out man |
| 03:03.54 | treke|home | I agree with rev there |
| 03:04.10 | treke|home | if anything the ipaq feels much more solid than the zaurus I have |
| 03:04.22 | rev | i agree |
| 03:04.23 | W8TVI | I have a small small panasonic cellphone thats super light, and it feels nice and solid |
| 03:04.25 | treke|home | and less shiny plastic to scrape off |
| 03:04.26 | rev | though i've only used older ipaqs |
| 03:04.28 | rev | mmhmm |
| 03:04.40 | treke|home | the white cover on the c760 looks like crap now |
| 03:04.45 | rev | the ipaq felt like it had a metal skin, the 5500 felt like it had a cheaply spray painted plastic skin |
| 03:04.50 | treke|home | yup. |
| 03:05.21 | W8TVI | the fit and finish on the tiny ipaq seems.. cheap |
| 03:05.26 | rev | heh |
| 03:05.39 | rev | which is the 'tiny ipaq?' |
| 03:05.43 | treke|home | 1900 |
| 03:05.48 | treke|home | and the 2200 |
| 03:06.03 | W8TVI | it is the cheap ipaq, but my sony sj-20 is really good |
| 03:06.08 | treke|home | the finish on it feels and looks more plasticy than the high end ones |
| 03:06.36 | rev | ah |
| 03:06.41 | treke|home | the high end ones are still essentially the same as the old ones |
| 03:06.43 | W8TVI | at least they could have made it more like the sony pdas |
| 03:06.46 | rev | yeah |
| 03:06.56 | rev | at least they could've done with the Z is made is suck less |
| 03:06.57 | treke|home | They should make it more like the old ipaqs |
| 03:07.07 | rev | treke|home: but with at least an SD slot |
| 03:07.14 | treke|home | the older ones had |
| 03:07.16 | treke|home | sd |
| 03:07.22 | treke|home | slow ass sd, but SD none the less |
| 03:07.25 | rev | the ones i'm talking about didn't; the truly older ones |
| 03:07.29 | rev | 31xx and 36xx series |
| 03:07.33 | rev | OG ipaq |
| 03:07.39 | rev | had to use a sleeve to get anything |
| 03:07.52 | treke|home | I liked the sleeves :) |
| 03:07.58 | rev | don't get me wrong, so did i |
| 03:08.00 | treke|home | but yeah, those had nothing |
| 03:08.11 | rev | but i think it should have some default slot, only one if anything |
| 03:08.29 | rev | i'd like something to have the capability for sleeves, but still include cf and sd |
| 03:08.51 | rev | but a sleeve for pcmcia, another cf, gps, wifi, bt+wifi, two more cfs... ;) |
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| 03:09.37 | W8TVI | I saw a pda that had a pcmcia slot built in |
| 03:09.44 | W8TVI | MyPDA it said on it |
| 03:09.47 | rev | many have had pcmcia slots built in |
| 03:09.50 | rev | i've owned a few myself |
| 03:10.13 | rev | a name like MyPDA sounds like a toy |
| 03:10.18 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 03:10.50 | rev | like some little kids fake PDA that costs $50 bought for a 10 year old who wants a PDA themselves, but parents certainly won't spend hundreds on something like that for a kid |
| 03:10.51 | rev | although shit |
| 03:10.56 | treke|home | rev: When they Did sd , that made it more or less perfect in my eyes |
| 03:11.03 | rev | you can buy some of thoseo ld ipaq models for $50-60 these days |
| 03:11.08 | rev | treke|home: mmhmm |
| 03:11.13 | rev | sd + built in wifi |
| 03:11.19 | treke|home | rev: 5555 :p |
| 03:11.30 | rev | mmhm |
| 03:12.17 | treke|home | rev: that is more or less what it is. SD + Sleeves + BT + Wireless |
| 03:12.36 | rev | yeah |
| 03:13.12 | treke|home | I'd just as soon keep wireless in a sleeve, myself |
| 03:13.18 | rev | mmhm |
| 03:13.18 | treke|home | though internal isnt a bad thing |
| 03:13.26 | rev | i'd prefer non-internal |
| 03:13.29 | rev | but meh |
| 03:13.29 | treke|home | bluetooh is good in device |
| 03:13.32 | rev | yeah |
| 03:13.39 | rev | shame it isn't used as much as it should be |
| 03:14.24 | W8TVI | heh |
| 03:14.38 | W8TVI | linux on a Game Boy Advanced |
| 03:14.45 | treke|home | yeah. |
| 03:15.03 | treke|home | I'd be more upset with the lack of bluetooth in the 760 if I had any bluetooth devices other than my powebook |
| 03:15.09 | rev | yeah |
| 03:15.20 | rev | i still think it is cheesy as hell for sharp to notp ut BT in the c760 |
| 03:15.29 | rev | and even worse that they don't have it in the C860 |
| 03:15.39 | rev | zaurus sl-c860: the "why did they release that" model |
| 03:16.05 | treke|home | hmmm. why the hell cant I find any debian isos for ppc |
| 03:16.14 | rev | i got a couple CDs |
| 03:16.18 | rev | want em |
| 03:17.26 | weez|ne-ne | rev: a man after my own heart.. |
| 03:17.35 | rev | :) |
| 03:20.58 | treke|home | found it at the university of minnesota mirror |
| 03:20.59 | treke|home | finally |
| 03:26.34 | rev | booya |
| 03:26.38 | rev | that's where i always download em |
| 03:26.42 | rev | get like 600 KB/s |
| 03:26.48 | treke|home | 50k/s |
| 03:26.49 | treke|home | :) |
| 03:27.00 | rev | awww |
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| 03:37.49 | treke|home | shit. My dvd player died |
| 03:38.35 | treke|home | only a year old |
| 03:38.45 | W8TVI | my rca dvd player did that |
| 03:40.12 | W8TVI | replaced it with an akai |
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| 03:40.38 | treke|home | Guess I'll pick one up when I go buy my mom one for christmas :) |
| 03:42.29 | Pendalar | well I was doing good with oe til I tried glibc |
| 03:43.07 | treke|home | might as well do it tonight :) |
| 03:45.25 | Pendalar | don't guess any of you are bored by chance.. =-x |
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| 05:21.12 | mutexer | anyone know the name of those tiny laptops that run winCE |
| 05:21.18 | mutexer | someone in here showed me one before |
| 05:24.18 | absentia | POS? |
| 05:35.50 | treke|home | sigmarillion? |
| 05:37.11 | absentia | bored |
| 05:39.27 | |QuaD| | yea |
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| 06:12.13 | donnie18_Z | heya |
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| 06:13.55 | kaiser | hello. |
| 06:14.12 | kaiser | I was wondering about socket programming for the zaurus |
| 06:14.19 | kaiser | some of the docs I have come across |
| 06:14.37 | kaiser | explain that the Socket API is removed from the java VM's for pda's |
| 06:14.40 | kaiser | ? |
| 06:15.03 | kaiser | I am interested in developing java software with sockets to collect data from a wireless connection |
| 06:15.22 | kaiser | could anyone give me some insight on docs to check out for the socket API with the zaurus? |
| 06:15.56 | kaiser | the only hopeful thing I've found is the ewe VM seems to have the socket API |
| 06:16.07 | kaiser | anyone here....? |
| 06:16.09 | kaiser | :-) |
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| 06:27.50 | |QuaD| | kaiser: i am here |
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| 06:51.08 | kaiser | I think I figured out my question anyway, haha |
| 06:51.15 | kaiser | it seems that jeode VM does have the java.net package |
| 06:51.28 | kaiser | which includes commands for sockets |
| 06:51.29 | kaiser | :-) |
| 06:51.48 | kaiser | http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/api/java/net/package-summary.html |
| 06:51.49 | kaiser | fun fun |
| 06:51.51 | kaiser | thanks anyway. |
| 06:51.52 | kaiser | :-D |
| 07:11.23 | |QuaD| | heh |
| 07:50.39 | Taim | yo yo |
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| 07:58.57 | Taim | don't everybody jump up at once now :) |
| 07:59.03 | blitzrage | zup |
| 07:59.26 | Taim | well, at least there is life at 2:58 AM EST |
| 07:59.41 | Taim | nm, you? |
| 07:59.48 | blitzrage | same timezone |
| 07:59.56 | blitzrage | << Ontario, Canada |
| 08:00.33 | crazy-b | hehe |
| 08:00.39 | crazy-b | i just got up (europe) :-) |
| 08:00.54 | Taim | ahh |
| 08:01.18 | blitzrage | Just got back from work. Just gotta setup my Calender for the next week, then I'm off to bed. |
| 08:01.31 | blitzrage | btw: anyone know how to make kpacman save the highscores ? |
| 08:01.46 | Taim | sorry, I can't even get it to work on my Z :/ |
| 08:02.11 | Taim | I really haven't tried, mind you (I am pretty sure I forgot to install something). |
| 08:02.33 | blitzrage | OZ 3.3.5 works really good so far. |
| 08:02.44 | blitzrage | it's the best that my Z has ever been runing since I got it. |
| 08:02.46 | Taim | stable? |
| 08:03.02 | blitzrage | so far. Only one crash with NetHack after I accidently minimized it. |
| 08:03.14 | Taim | cool. |
| 08:03.22 | blitzrage | for some reason it didn't like that, but most other apps I can minimize etc... |
| 08:03.34 | Taim | hrmm... |
| 08:03.46 | blitzrage | could have been a fluke though |
| 08:04.06 | Taim | possibly. I am still very undecided on what ROM to stick with for a while... |
| 08:05.26 | Taim | but that's okay...I will be content to install gentoo on this: http://webshop.fujitsupc.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P5D |
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| 10:42.56 | mark__ | hi Twiun |
| 10:48.50 | Twiun | hey mark__ |
| 10:49.14 | mark | Twiun, hows life? |
| 10:52.11 | Twiun | not treating me too badly, how about you? |
| 10:56.14 | mark | not badd |
| 10:56.20 | mark | just come back from my oxford interview |
| 10:57.48 | Twiun | and...? |
| 10:58.19 | mark | didnt go great |
| 10:58.21 | mark | but was kinda fun |
| 10:59.33 | Twiun | oh well :) any other uni interviews lined up? |
| 10:59.58 | jdh41 | oxbridge interviews normally go better than you think they did |
| 11:00.39 | mark | yeh got offers from bristol, york and nottingham, so i'm okay |
| 11:00.46 | Twiun | jdh41: my cambridge interview went exactly as badly as I thought it had ;) but you're right, in general interviews do go better |
| 11:00.51 | mark | Twiun, hehe |
| 11:02.19 | Twiun | mark|school: have fun! |
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| 11:51.28 | CodeWarrior | yp |
| 11:51.30 | CodeWarrior | yo even |
| 11:51.39 | CodeWarrior | can anyone help w/ wlan sniffing? |
| 11:52.33 | crazy-b | what do you need? |
| 11:52.47 | CodeWarrior | got kismet working |
| 11:52.50 | CodeWarrior | and I can see lans. |
| 11:53.00 | CodeWarrior | now I wanna hijack resources. |
| 11:53.07 | CodeWarrior | ie: use their internet access. |
| 11:53.17 | crazy-b | but? |
| 11:53.26 | CodeWarrior | dunno how. |
| 11:53.33 | CodeWarrior | kismet shows stuff... |
| 11:53.35 | CodeWarrior | packet countrs. |
| 11:53.39 | CodeWarrior | ip range. |
| 11:53.41 | CodeWarrior | etc.. |
| 11:53.44 | CodeWarrior | whats the next step? |
| 11:54.29 | crazy-b | stop kismet, kismet_unmonitor and set the ssid |
| 11:54.40 | CodeWarrior | ok |
| 11:54.43 | CodeWarrior | then? |
| 11:55.17 | crazy-b | if the ap uses dhcp you are finished. |
| 11:55.46 | crazy-b | i mean, it depends, set the default route on your notebook. |
| 11:55.57 | crazy-b | i donw know if dhcp handles that |
| 11:56.14 | CodeWarrior | it should, if there is dhcp |
| 11:56.23 | CodeWarrior | how can i detect the gateway ip ? |
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| 11:57.11 | crazy-b | if its dhcp it should tell you the gateway. |
| 11:57.21 | CodeWarrior | if not... |
| 11:57.48 | crazy-b | if not you can use ettercap e.g i dont know if there are easier ways. |
| 11:58.09 | crazy-b | ping the ip-range |
| 11:58.27 | crazy-b | try .1 whatever someone would have as gateway ip |
| 11:58.50 | CodeWarrior | will do |
| 11:59.27 | MG_Tak | at worst there're only 250 possibilities |
| 12:06.14 | Twiun | ... depending on subnet? |
| 12:07.05 | crazy-b | yeah |
| 12:08.51 | George- | blah |
| 12:08.58 | George- | Twiun: do you know what's happened to mark these days? |
| 12:09.49 | Twiun | George-: school apparently |
| 12:10.13 | George- | still? |
| 12:10.16 | George- | ibot seen mark |
| 12:10.20 | | mark <~Mark@s.westcott.freeuk.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 1h 9m 29s ago, saying: 'Twiun, hehe'. |
| 12:10.26 | George- | 1h?!?! |
| 12:10.30 | George- | hrm. |
| 12:10.39 | George- | that must be.. the first time.. for about 35 days |
| 12:11.05 | MG_Tak | good morning |
| 12:11.08 | George- | bugger. I didn't see he was online |
| 12:11.08 | George- | lo |
| 12:11.10 | George- | lol |
| 12:11.12 | George- | hi MG_Tak |
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| 12:40.03 | George- | yay |
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| 13:27.13 | CodeWarrior | how can I cimpile airsnort for the Z? |
| 13:28.22 | CodeWarrior | compile* |
| 13:28.26 | crazy-b | why would someone would want that? |
| 13:29.25 | CodeWarrior | cause its an excellent wireless tool. |
| 13:30.31 | crazy-b | capture the packets with kismet and and if you enough weak keys crack them @home |
| 13:30.41 | crazy-b | IF you ever get enough weak keys |
| 13:31.34 | CodeWarrior | you see, thats what people like to say / answer. |
| 13:31.45 | CodeWarrior | I dont mean to offend you personally, |
| 13:31.51 | CodeWarrior | but that wasnt my qyestion to start with. |
| 13:32.13 | CodeWarrior | if I wanted to use my PC then I woulda done it. |
| 13:32.21 | CodeWarrior | the whole idea is to have the Z do everything. |
| 13:33.00 | crazy-b | did you ever successfully used airsnort on *any* pc ? |
| 13:33.16 | CodeWarrior | yea |
| 13:33.38 | CodeWarrior | I want to be able to carry the Z with me on the street and get things running. |
| 13:34.42 | CodeWarrior | can one use opie files under sharp's rom, and not open zaurus? |
| 13:34.48 | crazy-b | i can understand that. but usually, you have to wait really, and i mean really long to grab enough weak packets. and you need a really big CF/SD card. |
| 13:35.11 | crazy-b | ah well. if you want to compile it, get the toolchain from openzaurus.org, the cross-compiler. |
| 13:35.14 | CodeWarrior | i got myself 512MB of space. |
| 13:35.53 | crazy-b | you will need gtk, too, cross-compiled. |
| 13:36.08 | CodeWarrior | yeah |
| 13:36.16 | CodeWarrior | i have a feeling thats gonna be trouble. |
| 13:36.21 | crazy-b | yes |
| 13:36.34 | crazy-b | thats why i asked if you *really* need it on your zaurus. |
| 13:38.12 | CodeWarrior | Network 1: "2soso" BSSID: "00:30:4F:24:C8:90" |
| 13:38.16 | CodeWarrior | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:38.49 | crazy-b | "wow" 3 already :-) |
| 13:38.59 | CodeWarrior | hehe |
| 13:39.29 | CodeWarrior | will opie proggiers work on the Z by default? |
| 13:39.34 | crazy-b | crosscompile wepattack that should be alot easier. |
| 13:40.19 | CodeWarrior | hrm |
| 13:40.30 | CodeWarrior | where's that cross compiling toolkit? |
| 13:40.51 | crazy-b | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ |
| 13:40.57 | CodeWarrior | oh, i was also thinking about this... |
| 13:41.06 | CodeWarrior | can I get iptables / iproute working on the Z? |
| 13:41.52 | crazy-b | its listed on killefiz but i never tried it. |
| 13:41.58 | CodeWarrior | i want to route my network (lan) thru the Z (usb) onto a wireless lan thru the CF card. |
| 13:47.32 | CodeWarrior | now the question would be... |
| 13:47.56 | CodeWarrior | if I get iptabls and stuff working, can my PC sniff using the Z's cf card? |
| 13:48.47 | CodeWarrior | cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 12-Nov-2002 12:02 34.6M tar archive |
| 13:48.54 | CodeWarrior | cross-3.3.2.tar.bz2 09-Dec-2003 18:22 11.9M tar archive |
| 13:48.58 | CodeWarrior | why the huge difference? |
| 13:52.26 | CodeWarrior | hrm. I got the iptables package. |
| 13:52.33 | CodeWarrior | where are the kernel modules though? |
| 14:00.31 | CodeWarrior | neat. |
| 14:00.35 | CodeWarrior | works like a charm. |
| 14:01.28 | crazy-b | could you tell me why you need your zaurus acting as a router ?!!?! hehe |
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| 14:20.58 | absentia | morn' |
| 14:21.16 | absentia | there was a java packet filter |
| 14:21.22 | absentia | it slowed my z to a *crawl* |
| 14:31.26 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:00.52 | George- | blah |
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| 15:06.51 | omin0us | anyone alive right now? |
| 15:07.11 | absentia | hey |
| 15:07.25 | omin0us | absentia: you ever made an ipk? |
| 15:08.21 | absentia | I'm going to soo. |
| 15:08.30 | omin0us | hmm |
| 15:08.31 | absentia | soon. I did read a howto on zaurus.com what it takes |
| 15:08.35 | omin0us | yeah |
| 15:08.38 | absentia | or was it openzaurus.org... I forget |
| 15:08.41 | omin0us | it seems simple enough |
| 15:08.43 | absentia | but it was pretty clear. |
| 15:08.45 | absentia | yup |
| 15:08.57 | omin0us | but when i try to install my newly made ipk, i get: |
| 15:09.16 | absentia | where is the kernel source on zaurus.com ? |
| 15:09.25 | omin0us | zcat: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 15:09.25 | omin0us | ipkg_install_file: ERROR unpacking control.tar.gz from fluxbox_0.1.7-3_arm.ipk |
| 15:09.53 | omin0us | i dont' know |
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| 15:40.19 | Foxdie | Hello :) |
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| 15:49.15 | Foxdie | I guess everyones busy. |
| 15:50.45 | absentia | hi |
| 15:50.56 | Foxdie | hello |
| 15:50.57 | absentia | are you the guy that has the obnoxious large rotating icon in your sig? |
| 15:51.15 | Foxdie | obnoxious? I didn't realise it was, it's a model from a game I play sometimes |
| 15:51.20 | absentia | ah/ |
| 15:51.23 | Foxdie | but yeah I guess I'm that guy |
| 15:51.28 | absentia | I'm just givin' ya a hard time |
| 15:51.32 | absentia | do you know about "warlording" ? |
| 15:51.47 | absentia | alt.fan.warlord? |
| 15:52.26 | Foxdie | heh if my sigs that bad why didn't you ask me on the boards to change it? :p |
| 15:52.47 | Foxdie | yes I do know what warlording is, offensive / "loud" sigs |
| 15:53.04 | absentia | made for the age of ascii |
| 15:53.12 | absentia | I wonder if it has moved into the age of avatars and stuff |
| 15:54.01 | Foxdie | I'm not sure, I've never visited that newsgroup. Are you trying to give me the hint to remove my animated fox sniper? |
| 16:06.40 | crazy-b | hi foxdie |
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| 16:09.51 | gui | hi |
| 16:12.44 | Foxdie | hi crazy-b :) |
| 16:12.49 | Foxdie | hello gui |
| 16:16.27 | gui | where can I download kernel source code for sl-c760 ? |
| 16:33.57 | gui | ok |
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| 16:37.14 | Foxdie | Sorry gui :) |
| 16:43.09 | gui | I'm sorry too |
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| 17:31.29 | gui | ++ |
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| 18:32.44 | djk | Old news I am sure but zaurus.com is back |
| 18:33.05 | Foxdie | it's a yoyo |
| 18:33.11 | Foxdie | it can't stay up or down |
| 18:33.22 | djk | ok old news it is |
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| 19:13.16 | Taim | yawn |
| 19:14.33 | Taim | thanks... |
| 19:14.41 | Taim | I could use one. Long night last night :/ |
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| 19:14.52 | ErrGe | hello |
| 19:14.55 | Taim | yo |
| 19:15.03 | ErrGe | I've got irda problem with a samsung sch c100 |
| 19:15.07 | ErrGe | can someone help? |
| 19:15.47 | Taim | irda from the phone to the Z? |
| 19:15.56 | ErrGe | to the computer |
| 19:16.01 | ErrGe | to save phonebook, dial out, etc. |
| 19:16.17 | ErrGe | a compaq laptop with a good smc irda port |
| 19:16.28 | ErrGe | previously tested with a nokia 7110 |
| 19:16.43 | Disconnect | fwiw get irobex utils and try those. |
| 19:21.40 | ErrGe | Disconnect: the package with irxfer, obex_tcp, irobex_palm3 and obex_test? |
| 19:21.46 | ErrGe | my problem is that something works |
| 19:21.57 | ErrGe | but after some minute (or sometimes second) |
| 19:22.02 | ErrGe | strange error happens |
| 19:22.23 | ErrGe | the kernel's net watchdog says that irda0:transmit timed out |
| 19:22.32 | ErrGe | ppp disconnects after 2 minute |
| 19:23.00 | ErrGe | and if any program opens the /dev/ircomm0 the kernel always write |
| 19:23.13 | ErrGe | irlap_adjust_qos_settings(), Detected buggy peer, adjust mtt to 10us! |
| 19:23.18 | ErrGe | what this message means? |
| 19:31.20 | CodeWarrior | anyone used WEPcrack? |
| 19:32.12 | treke | I can hook you up. 25 bucks a hit. |
| 19:35.48 | Foxdie | CodeWarrior: I guess we aren't meant to talk about breaking into secured wireless networks here |
| 19:36.18 | CodeWarrior | Foxdie: its for educational purposes. (: |
| 19:38.11 | CodeWarrior | heh |
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| 19:48.21 | George- | bleh |
| 19:48.28 | George- | I hate Apple |
| 19:48.31 | George- | my superdrive is DEAD |
| 19:48.33 | George- | DEAD I SAY |
| 19:48.35 | George- | DEAD!!! |
| 19:49.02 | CodeWarrior | anyone here adept at using kismet? |
| 19:52.00 | Taim | sorry, really don't have a need for it :) |
| 19:52.32 | CodeWarrior | Taim: so I take it you dont make it a habbit to hop onto wlans? |
| 19:52.46 | Taim | CodeWarrior: only ones I know of :) |
| 19:53.13 | Taim | CodeWarrior: In Pittsburgh there isn't that many WAPs floating around |
| 19:53.28 | Taim | CodeWarrior: It's hard to get coverage in a hilly area |
| 19:53.41 | CodeWarrior | Taim: do you know what one can do with a kismet dump that has weak packets? |
| 19:53.52 | Foxdie | what was the superdrive again? a dvd burner? |
| 19:54.17 | Taim | CodeWarrior: use superglue? I honestly don't know. I really have never used kismet |
| 19:54.38 | CodeWarrior | Taim: no problemo. |
| 19:54.45 | Taim | CodeWarrior: What do you mean by weak packets? |
| 19:55.14 | CodeWarrior | Taim: those are packets which kismet labels as weak. you can extract essential info from them to gain access and hop onto an AP |
| 19:56.06 | Taim | weak as in encryption? |
| 19:56.10 | Taim | or weak as in signal? |
| 19:56.49 | Foxdie | he means encryption |
| 19:56.53 | Foxdie | I think |
| 19:57.04 | CodeWarrior | Taim: enc |
| 19:57.12 | kergoth | heh. why dont you try using google? |
| 19:57.17 | kergoth | there are plenty of resources on the subject. |
| 19:57.42 | Taim | kergoth: that's what I was trying to do for him :) |
| 19:58.17 | CodeWarrior | kergoth: nothing that helps so far. i'd be grateful if you couldnt point me in the right direction. |
| 19:58.54 | Taim | CodeWarrior: http://www.linuxsecurity.com/feature_stories/wireless-kismet.html from google. |
| 19:59.18 | CodeWarrior | lets see |
| 19:59.34 | Taim | it's mostly theory |
| 19:59.58 | CodeWarrior | what i need is the step after kismet does its collection. |
| 20:00.31 | kergoth | it amazes me that people still cant find things, having google |
| 20:00.46 | CodeWarrior | kergoth: beleive me, i've really searched a lot. |
| 20:00.47 | kergoth | you definately wouldnt have survived using altavista or something back in the day |
| 20:01.13 | kergoth | well, you're clearly not using the right keywords in the search |
| 20:01.17 | Taim | kergoth: I know what you mean. Google is my lifeline. It's my CS degree :) |
| 20:01.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:01.31 | kergoth | its amazing how much time it saves |
| 20:01.40 | treke | man those were the searching stone age |
| 20:01.45 | CodeWarrior | kergoth: why dont you illustrate how I could get what I need then? (: |
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| 20:01.54 | kergoth | because i dont handhold. |
| 20:02.19 | CodeWarrior | kergoth: bah |
| 20:02.27 | Taim | do a search for kismet and wardrive. I am SURE they have something more detailed |
| 20:03.54 | Taim | oh well...enough free help for today. Time to go to work and get paid to help people :))) |
| 20:04.09 | kergoth | Taim: heh, support? |
| 20:04.31 | fusion94 | kergoth: werd |
| 20:04.43 | Taim | kergoth: Yeah, but it pays REALLY...DAMNED...WELL..for support. I am making more as support than as a sys admin. |
| 20:05.58 | kergoth | Taim: hah. well good, at least you're compensated for your gradual loss of sanity |
| 20:36.52 | mark | hi kergoth |
| 20:36.59 | kergoth | hey mark |
| 20:37.07 | kergoth | how ya been? |
| 20:37.19 | mark | good |
| 20:37.20 | mark | you? |
| 20:42.32 | kergoth | pretty good, though busy |
| 20:56.32 | fusion94 | w00t...devnet is back |
| 20:56.34 | fusion94 | :P |
| 21:22.06 | Foxdie | Ouch? |
| 21:23.01 | Foxdie | Why would I need them? |
| 21:23.06 | Reddog | their tiny.. they don't hurt |
| 21:23.19 | Reddog | i didn't say you needed them |
| 21:23.30 | Reddog | i was bored.. and looking for something small to throw |
| 21:23.36 | Foxdie | Gee thanks |
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| 21:29.29 | Reddog | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10353534&hdwt=30604&loc=101&sp=2 <-- mmm.. usb host CF card |
| 21:30.34 | Foxdie | expensive |
| 21:31.02 | Reddog | yeah :( |
| 21:31.08 | Reddog | and prolly no drivers for it |
| 21:31.25 | Foxdie | I think someone will have made drivers for it |
| 21:31.39 | Foxdie | I can't really see a use in standard terms for USB on a Zaurus though |
| 21:31.46 | Foxdie | SDIO however is a different matter :) |
| 21:32.36 | Reddog | hmm |
| 21:32.46 | Reddog | i can see some use for USB |
| 21:33.01 | Reddog | could transfer pics off a digital cam |
| 21:33.02 | Foxdie | actually a usb mouse for the X11 ROM would be good |
| 21:33.19 | Reddog | should be able to do a serial mouse |
| 21:33.27 | Foxdie | how will that work? |
| 21:33.30 | Reddog | and i've been looking into it, but i just haven't had time |
| 21:33.42 | Reddog | the port on the bottom of the Z has serial lines init |
| 21:33.57 | Foxdie | I don't think I have that functionality, I have a C760 |
| 21:34.01 | Reddog | ah |
| 21:34.07 | Reddog | the cradle connector |
| 21:34.15 | Foxdie | nope, don't even have a cradle :) |
| 21:34.20 | Reddog | hmm |
| 21:34.27 | Foxdie | just a lead that links the Z to a usb port on my desktop |
| 21:34.50 | Reddog | what is on the Z end of the cable? |
| 21:34.53 | Reddog | what's it look like? |
| 21:35.20 | Foxdie | 16 pin connector, flat |
| 21:35.33 | Reddog | yeah, that's a Zaurus I/O port |
| 21:35.58 | Foxdie | I thought it could only be used for USB |
| 21:36.04 | Foxdie | and not even usb host support |
| 21:37.17 | Reddog | it has serial lines, usb lines, and power lines in it.. but no USB host support. |
| 21:37.48 | Foxdie | standard rs232 IO? |
| 21:38.11 | Reddog | it's not rs232, the voltages aren't to rs232 spec |
| 21:38.16 | Foxdie | thought not |
| 21:38.25 | Foxdie | would flatten the battery in 5 minutes :) |
| 21:38.25 | Reddog | but, it will work fine with a gps, etc. |
| 21:39.18 | Foxdie | wb whoever you are :) |
| 21:39.44 | Reddog | Foxdie: take alook at this site --> http://www.fivestarassoc.com/Z/ |
| 21:40.23 | Foxdie | ahh nice |
| 21:40.32 | Reddog | that's where i work |
| 21:40.45 | Reddog | well, a subpage off of it anyways |
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| 21:49.06 | Foxdie | nice to see companies are still supporting the small-time inventors :) |
| 21:50.19 | Reddog | :) |
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| 22:00.00 | newbiezaurus | hi ... can a newbie ask for help on this chan... |
| 22:01.43 | Foxdie | well I've only been here a couple of hours so I can't say for sure but heh ask away :) |
| 22:01.59 | djk | sure there might even an answer |
| 22:02.35 | djk | newbiezaurus: if anybody answers there is a lot of information on the zaurus.com site |
| 22:02.46 | djk | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/ |
| 22:02.51 | newbiezaurus | yes...have been looking there.. |
| 22:03.03 | Foxdie | What is your question? |
| 22:03.07 | Reddog | (now that it's back up) |
| 22:03.18 | djk | yes yes |
| 22:03.22 | newbiezaurus | been trying to sync the zaurus with pc... |
| 22:03.34 | newbiezaurus | i have a dual-boot system |
| 22:03.46 | newbiezaurus | had hoped to pull the data from outlook onto the zaurus.. |
| 22:03.58 | newbiezaurus | and then find something to sync it with Linux... |
| 22:04.06 | newbiezaurus | so i didn't have to go on using outlook |
| 22:04.11 | djk | what ROM, what PC software, what connection type (USB, network, ..) |
| 22:04.27 | djk | ah |
| 22:04.30 | newbiezaurus | pc software..intellisync; usb connexion... |
| 22:04.33 | newbiezaurus | sl 5500 |
| 22:04.51 | newbiezaurus | windows reports the hub and network drives correctly installed |
| 22:04.53 | djk | and you can't connect intelli with the Z |
| 22:05.07 | djk | which ROM |
| 22:05.08 | newbiezaurus | no... and intellisync seems to be trying to run DUN |
| 22:05.14 | djk | 2.3x or 3.1x |
| 22:06.07 | djk | if 3.1x you have issue with the added security |
| 22:06.08 | newbiezaurus | rom 3.13 |
| 22:06.17 | newbiezaurus | ah...:-( |
| 22:07.20 | newbiezaurus | drives...=drivers, typo |
| 22:07.38 | djk | You might want to check out the other ROM options like the TKC 1.x ro 2.0a3 |
| 22:07.55 | djk | or openzaurus |
| 22:08.09 | newbiezaurus | how do i get that on it? need a flash card with it on? |
| 22:08.21 | djk | yes |
| 22:08.52 | djk | good to get a 256m CF card to keep roms and other things |
| 22:09.22 | djk | gotta run but check the forum on the roms |
| 22:09.35 | newbiezaurus | forum on zaurus.com? |
| 22:09.44 | Reddog-[Away] | yep |
| 22:09.53 | newbiezaurus | ok..tks |
| 22:11.17 | newbiezaurus | if i disinstalled intellisync and tried qtopia instead..could at least check the comms? worth trying? |
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| 22:16.38 | StarScream | Morning all, wondering if there is a way to sync the latest sharp ROM with linux yet? I am currently running OZ but its still a little too unstable for me at the moment but i really really would like to sync under linux (which OZ does perfectly) |
| 22:18.01 | newbiezaurus | where do i get oz from, starscream? |
| 22:18.37 | MG_Tak | www.openzaurus.org ? |
| 22:19.36 | newbiezaurus | ta |
| 22:23.45 | StarScream | yeh i like OZ its good, but my gf has to use my PDA too and it has some issues with mounting CF cards and i can't expect my gf to go to the command line and mount stuff when it dont automatically pick it up |
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| 22:44.01 | newbiezaurus | bye4now |
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| 23:01.42 | treke | Foxdie: pretty much. Just marketing speak :) |
| 23:03.58 | Foxdie | Huh? |
| 23:04.30 | treke | sorry. my irc client was scrolled up to a couple of hours ago. You asked about the superdrive |
| 23:05.32 | Foxdie | Oh :) |
| 23:09.51 | George- | superdrive? |
| 23:16.50 | Foxdie | yeah, apples smart ass name for a dvd burner |
| 23:18.50 | fusion94 | anyone mirroring devnat ? |
| 23:24.50 | treke | fusion94: offroadgeek was working on it |
| 23:25.27 | fusion94 | yeah well he might have asked first |
| 23:28.14 | Foxdie | anyone here with a Cxx0 series that has played with the Developer Menu's (specifically the LCD phase setting)? |
| 23:28.38 | kergoth | Foxdie: what about it? they just exist as a diagnostics tool for sharp service centers, generally |
| 23:29.11 | Foxdie | When I first got my C760 I played around with the developer menu's (yeah I know, playing with fire rings a bell) |
| 23:29.19 | Foxdie | and I messed with the phase setting |
| 23:29.30 | Foxdie | because I never knew the default value I had to guess what it was |
| 23:29.50 | Foxdie | when I'd finished I tested it in Qtopia and it looked normal so I gave it no extra thought |
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| 23:30.17 | kergoth | Foxdie: so why are you asking about it here? |
| 23:30.46 | Foxdie | When I flashed Sash's X11 ROM to my Z I never noticed it, but when I flashed an update (when it's in text mode) the ghosting is apparent, I just wondered if anyone knew offhand the default phase value |
| 23:31.05 | Foxdie | (I'm asking here as it was my understanding that this was a channel for zaurus developers/users) |
| 23:31.25 | kergoth | my point was, it took you long enough to actually mention the problem |
| 23:31.27 | kergoth | anyway |
| 23:38.06 | Foxdie | No one know the default lcd phase value for a C7x0 series? |
| 23:39.22 | treke | not the type of thing people are inclined to memorize |
| 23:40.55 | Foxdie | and I guess no one wants to risk rebooting into the Diag menu do they :/ |
| 23:41.05 | kergoth | booting into the diags isnt a risk |
| 23:41.07 | kergoth | fucking it up is |
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| 23:43.04 | MG_Tak | But is that opie or oz ? |
| 23:43.19 | kergoth | the suspend/delay is a collection of issues |
| 23:43.31 | MG_Tak | kergoth: okay |
