| 00:00.26 | rev | aww |
| 00:00.36 | rev | but it don't exist |
| 00:00.37 | rev | alas |
| 00:01.37 | |QuaD| | wat do u want that sl-6000 doesn't have |
| 00:01.45 | treke | something small? :) |
| 00:01.52 | rev | well |
| 00:01.56 | rev | for me, something bigger |
| 00:01.59 | rev | but then again |
| 00:02.02 | rev | if i'm going to have a big pda |
| 00:02.10 | rev | it better have a better keyboard than the SL-6000's |
| 00:02.12 | rev | or a bigger screen |
| 00:02.32 | treke | rev wants a jornada 720 with a pxa255 and more ram |
| 00:02.40 | rev | |QuaD|: lots of things; i want a real keyboard, a larger screen, better battery life, better software |
| 00:02.41 | rev | well |
| 00:02.42 | rev | not really |
| 00:02.51 | Fifth | bigger screen is my ide, paperback book size perfect |
| 00:02.52 | rev | i really want something convertible |
| 00:02.55 | rev | like the C7x0 |
| 00:03.03 | rev | but with a bigger screen |
| 00:03.07 | rev | i have a sigmarion III |
| 00:03.13 | rev | which is very nice in every way |
| 00:03.13 | rev | but |
| 00:03.15 | rev | it isn't convertible |
| 00:03.21 | rev | if it was it would be damn near perfect |
| 00:03.39 | rev | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:03.43 | rev | hey treeeeke |
| 00:04.15 | treke | new irssi :) |
| 00:04.39 | rev | oooooh |
| 00:04.41 | rev | tasty |
| 00:05.06 | treke | ugh. this cvs snapshot isnt new enough |
| 00:05.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:05.24 | kergoth | so steal debian/ and drop it in a new checkout |
| 00:05.37 | treke | yeah. Just doing things the lazy way first |
| 00:06.15 | treke | kergoth: /set paste_verify_line_count |
| 00:06.18 | kergoth | bleh. depositing multiple checks, a total of 5k, and watching it spent the next day, is depressing |
| 00:06.22 | kergoth | treke: nice |
| 00:08.33 | treke | hmmm. irssi for osx |
| 00:08.47 | treke | http://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/pics/screen.png |
| 00:10.41 | rev | how is being a mac using freak treating you? |
| 00:11.04 | treke | dunno |
| 00:11.15 | treke | I use my laptop less now :) |
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| 00:12.04 | treke | rev: I still use my compaq most of the time |
| 00:12.11 | treke | when I want to be productive |
| 00:12.45 | omin0us | anyone else having trouble logging into the ZUG |
| 00:12.55 | omin0us | it says i'm logged it, but i'm not, and it won't let me |
| 00:13.17 | rev | ah |
| 00:13.20 | rev | alas |
| 00:13.23 | rev | a shame |
| 00:14.07 | omin0us | ok, i just had to delete the cookie from ZUG |
| 00:14.27 | treke | rev: Tried getting ion onto OSX, but it was turning into a pain in the ass |
| 00:15.08 | omin0us | hmm |
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| 00:15.17 | rev | oh? |
| 00:15.18 | rev | how so? |
| 00:15.20 | omin0us | actually, i think i found a bug in the ZUG website |
| 00:15.28 | treke | rev: Couldnt get it to link |
| 00:15.31 | rev | weird |
| 00:15.44 | rev | i had no problems compiling it or pwm, but those were older versions |
| 00:15.46 | rev | no configure, just make |
| 00:16.01 | treke_ | the old one works |
| 00:16.05 | rev | ah |
| 00:16.06 | treke_ | the new one doesnt |
| 00:17.15 | treke_ | thinking I'll set it up a dual boot machine once I get unlazy |
| 00:17.39 | treke_ | though it is really fricken big :) |
| 00:18.09 | treke_ | it's pretty though |
| 00:20.52 | Disconnect | guh. nmap is missing from archive.debian.org, the debian mirrors and the sources-3.3.5 tarball. |
| 00:21.38 | treke_ | Is it missing from the build? |
| 00:22.36 | treke_ | hmmm. mickey got it to build. pester him tomorrow |
| 00:26.02 | treke_ | snapshots.debian.net is the place to go |
| 00:26.41 | Disconnect | Host snapshots.debian.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 00:26.51 | treke_ | maybe snapshot |
| 00:27.11 | treke_ | snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:28.18 | Disconnect | yah snapshot. (duh, shoulda tried that .. tried .org instead) |
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| 01:17.05 | oGMo | anyone know if the 3.10 rom mail app's imap4 stuff is remote, or does it copy stuff locally? |
| 01:17.34 | kergoth | heh, whatd be the point of IMAP at all if it wasnt kept remote? |
| 01:17.56 | oGMo | that's a good point, however, that doesn't mean the |
| 01:18.00 | oGMo | ...mail app isn't retarded :) |
| 01:18.15 | oGMo | although... hrm |
| 01:18.25 | oGMo | i wonder if there's an imap daemon that does MH folders |
| 01:19.02 | oGMo | i could use a wifi card too, ubt no one carries the symbol ones |
| 01:19.58 | oGMo | kergoth: so what hardware are you working on these days? 5500? |
| 01:20.12 | kergoth | all my Z's have been collecting dust for months |
| 01:20.20 | kergoth | last one i messed with was a c750 |
| 01:20.28 | oGMo | no PDAs at all? |
| 01:20.45 | kergoth | nope. still working on OE, since TI uses the tools for its builds internally |
| 01:21.08 | oGMo | i've been wanting something closer to a subnote, although my Z has been doing a great job... i just wouldn't mind a screen capable of an 80x25 term |
| 01:21.15 | oGMo | kergoth: ahh |
| 01:21.40 | kergoth | in fact, i do more OE work within a native built UML rootfs than i do anywhere else |
| 01:21.43 | Disconnect | kergoth: cached locally and kept remote is ideal - "sync" to read mail on the way to work, for example |
| 01:21.46 | kergoth | still benefits all the OZ devices though |
| 01:22.08 | kergoth | Disconnect: have you seen offlineimap? |
| 01:22.25 | Disconnect | haven't tried it, but afaik thats the same basic idea |
| 01:22.29 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:23.16 | kergoth | pulls a remote imap dir down into a local maildir format, then can use mutt or whatever. syncs up with upstream |
| 01:23.23 | kergoth | was going to play with it on my Z some |
| 01:23.35 | chouimat | kergoth: where is this nice screenshot? |
| 01:23.48 | Disconnect | kergoth: does it pull all of the dir? that'd be rather painful in my case. |
| 01:24.00 | kergoth | Disconnect: not sure offhand |
| 01:24.07 | kergoth | would be nice if you could limit its scope |
| 01:24.09 | Disconnect | (thats what kept blowing up the sharp mail app, afaik. it would try to suck down 80M of mail, then detonate) |
| 01:24.10 | kergoth | chouimat: ask harlekin |
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| 01:25.24 | UndrWater | oooo |
| 01:31.45 | treke_ | I really should check out offline imap. If it can handle doing stuff like downloading all unread mail, we'd be onto a lunch time winner |
| 01:32.49 | treke_ | I've been considering just using pop, but that's a pain since it doesnt do folders |
| 01:33.50 | treke_ | I should try evolution again now that I have signficicantly smaller mail boxes |
| 01:34.31 | treke_ | Evo+Imap was really hurting |
| 01:34.39 | Disconnect | works great here. |
| 01:34.52 | Disconnect | 250+ megs on one account |
| 01:35.09 | treke_ | it was just too slow for the connection. |
| 01:35.48 | Disconnect | it does do some serious local caching now tho. |
| 01:36.23 | treke_ | maybe I'll try offline imap for it |
| 01:37.21 | Disconnect | I don't think it did any harm to my mail tho |
| 01:37.23 | treke_ | Some of the evolution stuff does look cool |
| 01:39.23 | treke_ | though I imagine an mbox generator wouldnt be too horribly hard to write with python |
| 01:45.29 | Disconnect | wow. all sorts of stuff missing from the 3.3.5-sources tarball. |
| 01:45.42 | Disconnect | kergoth: I'll tar up sources once I get finished building and send you a link |
| 01:45.43 | treke_ | Everything I built is in the sources tarball. |
| 01:45.45 | treke_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.08 | Disconnect | treke_: everything in the default config and/or the feed isn't .. ;) |
| 01:46.24 | Disconnect | (course, some of the stuff in the default config doesn't build. but I'm not bored enough to track down why) |
| 01:46.26 | treke_ | Disconnect: Everything in my feed is :) |
| 01:47.16 | treke_ | mickeyl obviously expendend more energy on the feed than I did |
| 01:47.36 | treke_ | I just checked everything and then unchecked the stuff that didnt compile |
| 01:48.08 | Disconnect | yah, thats basically what I'm doing |
| 01:49.02 | Disconnect | but even some stuff that builds was missing. (nothing I care about at this point) |
| 01:49.44 | Disconnect | er .. nothing I care about doesn't build, some stuff I care about (samba) builds and was missing. but most of the time its been there. no biggie. |
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| 02:28.01 | TrekCycling | quiet. Does anyone here use a Yopy also? |
| 02:28.35 | TrekCycling | I'm looking at getting a Linux PDA again, but seeing as there are no message boards for the Z any longer I'm not sure what's up with Sharp. |
| 02:31.15 | rev | no |
| 02:31.17 | rev | do you have a topy? |
| 02:31.18 | rev | er |
| 02:31.19 | rev | yopy |
| 02:31.19 | rev | ah |
| 02:31.20 | rev | er |
| 02:31.22 | rev | k |
| 02:31.25 | rev | i don't know anyone who has a yopy |
| 02:31.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:31.34 | rev | i wonder how many they've sold in the US ... 15? |
| 02:31.51 | rev | they're way overpriced considering what you get |
| 02:34.51 | TrekCycling | the new ones look good. I mean the hardware. |
| 02:34.57 | TrekCycling | keyboard, CF slot |
| 02:35.02 | TrekCycling | and you can actually buy one. |
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| 02:37.54 | TrekCycling | I'd kind of like to buy a 5500, but myzaurus.com says Office Depot is the only place that carries them (and of course they don't) |
| 02:38.21 | MG_Tak | kergoth: what's OZ's intended resolution? |
| 02:38.28 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:38.31 | oGMo | wait for a 6000 or whatever |
| 02:38.38 | kergoth | "intended resolution"? |
| 02:38.58 | TrekCycling | I'm not holding my breath for anything new |
| 02:39.06 | TrekCycling | especially with the website AWOL |
| 02:39.11 | MG_Tak | kergoth: is it meant to run on the 5x00 screens or 7x0 ? |
| 02:39.16 | kergoth | OZ's a distribution. |
| 02:39.20 | kergoth | why would it give a fuck? |
| 02:39.24 | kergoth | *opie* will work well on either. |
| 02:39.40 | TrekCycling | I'd love to buy a newer Zaurus for cheap on close-out |
| 02:40.25 | MG_Tak | kergoth: it just seems like some of Opie's looking for a slightly wider screen, like the documents tab when it's off |
| 02:40.35 | MG_Tak | but.. that's opie, so not any of your business, right? :) |
| 02:40.44 | kergoth | MG_Tak: and you *have* submitted bug reports in Mantis, *right*? |
| 02:40.54 | kergoth | opie should be working fine at any resolution. if it doesnt, its a bug. |
| 02:41.34 | MG_Tak | kergoth: I have a bad habit of trying to find out if it's just me seeing a problem before submitting a bug. |
| 02:42.01 | kergoth | well like i said, it shouldnt be that way. definately see if its been seen by others |
| 02:42.08 | kergoth | myself, i havent used a Z in 3 months |
| 02:42.31 | MG_Tak | what do you use then? |
| 02:42.31 | TrekCycling | really? What have you used, kergoth |
| 02:42.58 | kergoth | heh, even when i used mjy pdas it wasnt as pdaas, it was for ZO |
| 02:43.08 | kergoth | i havent used a pda as a pda since first buying my 5000d |
| 02:43.16 | TrekCycling | ah |
| 02:43.40 | TrekCycling | I typically always use a PDA. Right now I'm using a Palm, because I got sick of the battery life with the 5500. |
| 02:44.26 | MG_Tak | Would VNC server use up a lot of resources? because OZ seems to have a lot more free memory and just run faster than the Sharp ROM. Only difference is that I don't have VNC server running on OZ. |
| 02:44.37 | kergoth | oz 3.3.5 uses opie 1.0.3 |
| 02:44.46 | kergoth | recent opie uses a lot of stuff from qtopia 1.7 |
| 02:44.52 | kergoth | including the new launcher that uses quicklaunch |
| 02:45.00 | kergoth | which is, while similar to quickexec, better done |
| 02:45.15 | kergoth | also, if you're using oz on a c7x0 thats 3.3.5, that was a gcc3 built image, and will see performance benefit |
| 02:45.40 | TrekCycling | brb |
| 02:45.48 | MG_Tak | Isn't the 5600 image gcc3 too? |
| 02:48.01 | kergoth | MG_Tak: iirc yeah |
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| 02:57.33 | cohiba | hello |
| 02:57.35 | MG_Tak | http://www2.dofc.org:8880/~komorn/opie/ |
| 02:57.44 | MG_Tak | even kinda buggy-ish it does look nicer than Sharp :) |
| 02:59.00 | cohiba | I am looking for accessories for my sl-c860 |
| 02:59.07 | cohiba | what is recommend in the following: |
| 02:59.31 | cohiba | wireless cf card, portable wireless keyboard |
| 03:00.19 | Disconnect | socket wireless cf - its way expensive, way low power usage, decent range |
| 03:00.59 | cohiba | Disconnect - yes I called and they said $220CDN |
| 03:01.04 | cohiba | plus $15CDN shipping |
| 03:01.29 | Disconnect | called who? got one from newegg (maybe cdw, one of those 2) for about $120USD with (US) shipping |
| 03:01.41 | cohiba | Disconnect - I'm in canada |
| 03:02.00 | cohiba | so I called www.directdial.com |
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| 03:04.36 | cohiba | gg |
| 03:04.36 | cohiba | cya |
| 03:08.34 | MG_Tak | God French people cannot make movies. |
| 03:09.08 | omin0us | aha |
| 03:09.29 | Disconnect | MG_Tak: well DUH ;) |
| 03:09.32 | omin0us | finally got NetHack Compiled for the Cacko linux X11 Rom |
| 03:09.44 | MG_Tak | Disconnect: how many french movies have you seen? :) |
| 03:09.44 | Disconnect | cool |
| 03:10.17 | treke|ho1e | omin0us: Did you at least build faclon's eye? |
| 03:11.12 | omin0us | treke: nope |
| 03:11.20 | omin0us | just the Base of Nethack right now |
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| 03:12.30 | omin0us | would Falcons eye even run on the c760? |
| 03:12.33 | omin0us | i didn't even think of that |
| 03:12.40 | omin0us | that would be sweet |
| 03:13.06 | treke|ho1e | why wouldnt it? |
| 03:13.08 | Disconnect | IIRC itst 800x600 - didn'tt work too hot on my libretto (640x480) |
| 03:13.13 | treke|ho1e | ah |
| 03:13.19 | treke|ho1e | scale the images |
| 03:13.24 | treke|ho1e | and do some porting |
| 03:13.26 | Disconnect | yep |
| 03:17.24 | TrekCycling | so what's the cheapest place to get a 5600 right now? |
| 03:18.04 | MG_Tak | TrekCycling: I got one for $430 at Beach Camera in NJ.. |
| 03:20.31 | omin0us | that would be pretty hard to do though. |
| 03:20.45 | rev | duuude |
| 03:20.49 | rev | don't bother with a 5600 |
| 03:20.50 | omin0us | i garantee it won't be done by the first release of Cacko linux |
| 03:20.58 | rev | so much money for suchg a gimpy machine |
| 03:21.05 | TrekCycling | and what's better? |
| 03:21.17 | rev | for $400, you could get a C700 |
| 03:21.21 | omin0us | a 5500 or a c7x0 |
| 03:21.24 | rev | better in almost every way |
| 03:21.30 | rev | i would say buy an iPAQ 3650 or something |
| 03:21.36 | rev | you can get those for like $100 |
| 03:21.38 | rev | and still run linux |
| 03:21.43 | cyn | if yer buying now I'd get a c750 ot c760 not a c700 |
| 03:21.47 | cyn | just from the ram / processor aspect |
| 03:21.50 | rev | although that model only has 32 MB RAM; but there are better ones for also very cheap |
| 03:21.55 | cyn | its like ... $50 more |
| 03:21.57 | rev | cyn: yes, but more money |
| 03:22.07 | cyn | $50 is pennies when you're talking a device you use all the time |
| 03:22.15 | cyn | don't cheap yourself |
| 03:22.18 | rev | $450 for a c750?! |
| 03:22.19 | kergoth | and its worth it. you can *feel* the difference between a c700 and c750 or c760. its substantial |
| 03:22.26 | cyn | kergoth: :( |
| 03:22.31 | cyn | DON'T TELL ME THAT I HAVE THE C700 REMEMBER |
| 03:22.33 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:22.37 | kergoth | oops |
| 03:22.40 | TrekCycling | I don't care so much about processor and RAM. I just am curious if there's a Linux device out there that can sync with Linux and Outlook and have more the 3 hours battey life. |
| 03:22.40 | cyn | but yeah I pretty much expected that |
| 03:22.47 | rev | i'm not saying the c75,60 isn't good |
| 03:22.53 | rev | but a C700 > 5600 |
| 03:22.55 | rev | any day of the week |
| 03:22.57 | rev | and about the same price |
| 03:23.03 | cyn | kergoth: as soon as OZ has a kickass stable release for the c700 I'll try to get my wife interested in it so I can upgrade :) |
| 03:23.06 | rev | TrekCycling: a C760 |
| 03:23.14 | cyn | well, one with full support |
| 03:23.17 | cyn | who needs stable right? |
| 03:23.19 | TrekCycling | rev, How much is that? |
| 03:23.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:23.27 | TrekCycling | rev, And what's the battery life like? |
| 03:23.36 | kergoth | cyn: i'll see about finishing the keyboard handling this weekend |
| 03:23.46 | cyn | kergoth: well, no rushies |
| 03:23.46 | rev | TrekCycling: umm... $650? battery life is good, 4-6 hours is common |
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| 03:23.58 | cyn | kergoth: but uh merry christmas happy chanukkah |
| 03:24.03 | cyn | *wink wink* |
| 03:24.05 | rev | but you'd have to run OZ to get the Linux syncing |
| 03:24.12 | rev | anyone know what battery life is like on an iPAQ running Linux? |
| 03:24.21 | TrekCycling | rev, Whoa, that's pricey. More than I want to pay. |
| 03:24.25 | rev | my iPAQ used to get very good battery life, although it was a black and white model |
| 03:24.34 | rev | TrekCycling: with Linux PDAs, you have to expect to pay alot |
| 03:24.39 | rev | unless you get a 5500 |
| 03:24.40 | cyn | it is pretty painful seeing the nice color 320x320 clies going for like $150 new or whatever |
| 03:24.43 | rev | or an iPAQ |
| 03:24.45 | treke|ho1e | rev: Depends on the model |
| 03:24.45 | rev | that is just about it |
| 03:24.53 | cyn | but their builtin keyboard models are always crappy keyboards |
| 03:24.58 | rev | treke|ho1e: what about 36xx or the next level up? |
| 03:25.06 | cyn | nothing compares to the c7x0's keyboards in my experience |
| 03:25.07 | TrekCycling | rev, I probably should just see if I can find an iPaq |
| 03:25.08 | treke|ho1e | 36xx would be almost identical to a zaurus |
| 03:25.10 | cyn | I expect the c860 will |
| 03:25.20 | cyn | what with it being the same goddamned thing :P |
| 03:25.27 | TrekCycling | rev, I don't know where I would find one that was in good condition, though. I hate buying used stuff. |
| 03:25.34 | rev | treke|ho1e: ah ok; i remember that the color 3650s got like 3-4 hours of life in CE; wondering if Linux is much worse (it was on one of my PDAs) |
| 03:25.39 | cyn | can we have a community-wide agreement to just reference c860 in when we say 'c7x0' ? |
| 03:25.43 | rev | TrekCycling: then you'll have to wait |
| 03:25.47 | TrekCycling | rev, Especially since the battery isn't replaceable like it is with the Z. |
| 03:25.51 | treke|ho1e | rev: A 3800, 3900, or 55xx would be better than a 5500, but worse than a c760 |
| 03:25.56 | rev | TrekCycling: or buy an SL-5500 and get an external battery pack |
| 03:26.08 | treke|ho1e | rev: WinCE battery life is probably about the same as linux at this point |
| 03:26.09 | rev | TrekCycling: then buy an SL-5500 and two batteries |
| 03:26.25 | rev | treke|ho1e: ah ok, i suppose a lot of folks have been working on ipaq linux |
| 03:26.30 | rev | such that PM shouldn't suck ass |
| 03:26.39 | treke|ho1e | PM hasnt sucked ass in a year or two |
| 03:26.55 | treke|ho1e | rev: The big thing is the models are divided between the 1400mah battery and the 900mah battery |
| 03:27.09 | rev | ahh |
| 03:27.10 | rev | ok |
| 03:27.29 | rev | TrekCycling: you can't have it all when you're not willing to spend much, at least not in the world of leenux PDAs |
| 03:27.38 | treke|ho1e | they still make 900s |
| 03:27.45 | rev | eww |
| 03:27.47 | rev | lame |
| 03:27.57 | rev | what ever happened to dell axim linux? |
| 03:28.00 | TrekCycling | rev, Hasn't always been that way. My first Z was a 5000D for $400. 2nd was a 5500 for $300. |
| 03:28.18 | rev | TrekCycling: yes it has been that way- because you didn't have all of the features you wanted then |
| 03:28.28 | TrekCycling | rev, Battery life was my only problem with the 5500. That's why I wondered about the 5600. |
| 03:28.38 | rev | those models got shitty battery life, had horrendous screens; if you want one of those again, get another 5500 |
| 03:29.13 | TrekCycling | rev, All I want is better battery life. I'm not a screen snob. I thought the 5500 was fine in that regard. |
| 03:29.26 | rev | then get an external pack |
| 03:29.31 | rev | or use a 5600 battery in the 5500 |
| 03:29.51 | offroadgeek | TrekCycling: you'd re-think the screen snobbyness if you saw a c7x screen |
| 03:30.06 | TrekCycling | offroadgeek, Maybe, maybe not. |
| 03:30.33 | rev | or any other PDA heh |
| 03:30.34 | offroadgeek | I have a 5500 and a 760, and I never use my 5500 anymore... I can't bear to look at the dim screen |
| 03:30.36 | rev | that is tthe worst screen i've seen, hands down |
| 03:30.54 | offroadgeek | before I got my 760, I thought my 5500 screen was amazing... now.. blah |
| 03:31.06 | rev | it was? |
| 03:31.07 | rev | ewww |
| 03:31.22 | rev | i had the luxury of not using even shittier screens before that, thank the lawd |
| 03:32.48 | offroadgeek | I'm only considering the z line... I have had crappy palms and even a 16k color HP 600 (circa '98)... holy poopy screen! |
| 03:32.54 | TrekCycling | anyway, I wonder if that Yopy syncs with Linux. :-) |
| 03:33.02 | rev | ah |
| 03:33.03 | cyn | TrekCycling: I am a screen snob and I'd just like to say *scoff* |
| 03:33.19 | rev | eh |
| 03:33.19 | rev | me too |
| 03:33.41 | chouimat | night |
| 03:35.53 | rev | ciao |
| 03:36.07 | rev | i bought the 5500 the same week I won a dell axim |
| 03:36.15 | omin0us | heh |
| 03:36.22 | rev | it was funny |
| 03:36.33 | rev | the best 240x320 color PDA screen i've ever seen vs the worst |
| 03:36.46 | rev | the Z at the brightest was dimmer than the dell axim's at the lowest |
| 03:36.54 | omin0us | haha |
| 03:37.13 | omin0us | i never relised how bad the 5500's screen was till i got my c760 |
| 03:37.19 | omin0us | it was so shocked |
| 03:37.26 | TrekCycling | it's all personal preference, though. You realize that, right? I actually turned down the light on my Z because I didn't need it that bright. |
| 03:37.38 | omin0us | now when i use my 5500, i am just like woah, that is such a horrible screen |
| 03:38.42 | offroadgeek | I know... I don't want to get rid of my 5500, because I always think I'll regret it.. but I never use the damn thing... |
| 03:39.24 | Captain-Obvious | offroadgeek, just give it to me :P |
| 03:40.30 | TrekCycling | Does the c760 sync with Linux and Outlook at the same time? I hated the fact that the last Sharp ROM had a problem with Linux QTopia. |
| 03:40.52 | kergoth | c760 behaves like sharp rom 3.x on 5500 |
| 03:40.55 | kergoth | no linux syncing still |
| 03:40.59 | kergoth | unless you use OZ of course. |
| 03:41.10 | TrekCycling | does OZ runon the c760? |
| 03:41.14 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:41.19 | TrekCycling | that's cool |
| 03:41.19 | mutexer | what does oz sync with? |
| 03:41.29 | kergoth | mutexer: any trolltech qtopia desktop, intellisync |
| 03:41.36 | kergoth | sharp broke compat w/ tt, we didnt |
| 03:41.53 | TrekCycling | but then there's no intellisync that would be OZ compatible that comes with the c760, I'd imagine. |
| 03:42.01 | mutexer | qtopia desktop uses kmail right? or is there evolution support? |
| 03:42.04 | kergoth | TrekCycling: correct |
| 03:42.15 | rev | does qtopia desktop deal directly with the XML files? |
| 03:42.16 | kergoth | the only one thatd work would be the old one that worked with collie |
| 03:42.17 | mutexer | actually Syncing in Evolution would be cool |
| 03:42.24 | kergoth | multisync syncs with OZ w/ evo |
| 03:42.30 | mutexer | cool |
| 03:42.31 | kergoth | kitchensync syncs with OZ w/ kdepim |
| 03:42.39 | kergoth | neither sync with recent sharp, 5600, or c7x0 |
| 03:42.49 | kergoth | multisync can use either ftp or scp as the transfer medium |
| 03:42.50 | kergoth | which is rather cool |
| 03:43.08 | rev | why doesn't anyone write some scripts that run on the Z itself, export from the Sharp PIM API to XML, run the syncing shit, and them import that XML back into the DB? |
| 03:43.15 | rev | sharp sure wrote a shitty PIM API |
| 03:43.20 | rev | it is the ugliest thing i've ever seen on any PDA |
| 03:43.25 | kergoth | rev: opie will do that when they switch to a new backend. |
| 03:43.30 | Disconnect | palm wasn't that great as I recall |
| 03:43.33 | kergoth | itll translate in the sync piece |
| 03:43.40 | rev | Disconnect: no, it wasn't great, but the Sharp API is worse |
| 03:43.51 | rev | Trolltech has an API that is OK, but Sharp's... pure evil shite |
| 03:44.02 | rev | kergoth: using embedded sql as the db? |
| 03:44.08 | kergoth | sqlite most likely, yeah |
| 03:44.15 | rev | yeah |
| 03:44.16 | rev | see |
| 03:44.20 | rev | that is a good idea |
| 03:44.30 | rev | and writing a script ->xml and back again would be pretty straight forward |
| 03:44.33 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:45.00 | rev | but then again i am a total sucker for using a DB for as much data as possible |
| 03:45.02 | rev | i dig it |
| 03:45.19 | rev | i had some scripts for WinCE that exported my PIM data to XML files |
| 03:45.33 | rev | i should change the format and make them compat with qtopia desktop's XML file format |
| 03:45.42 | rev | and then use one of the ftp servers and use it with that |
| 03:45.45 | rev | insta linux sync |
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| 03:54.55 | treke|ho1e | sharps api is pretty ugly |
| 03:56.06 | rev | see |
| 03:56.11 | rev | treke knows what's up |
| 03:58.23 | treke|ho1e | he knows whats up an hour late :) |
| 03:58.28 | treke|ho1e | btw. Prince of Persia rocks |
| 03:58.35 | rev | original or new? |
| 04:00.42 | treke|ho1e | both. now that you mention it |
| 04:01.36 | rev | heh |
| 04:01.37 | rev | werd |
| 04:01.38 | rev | ciao |
| 04:01.40 | rev | gotta go, quttin time |
| 04:27.54 | Luke-Jr | Long Beach, CA? |
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| 04:56.06 | cyn | heh |
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| 04:59.25 | sjlinux|nick | I own a Zaurus SL-5600, and can not figure out why this PMT is not in the Sunday flyers |
| 04:59.39 | sjlinux|nick | It seems that you can not walk into a store and buy one |
| 05:00.11 | StarScream | i struggled to get mine sl5500 in australia |
| 05:00.13 | sjlinux|nick | Why is the adoption of Zaurus so slow |
| 05:00.29 | sjlinux|nick | I am attached to mine |
| 05:00.34 | StarScream | coz sharp jp dont release stuff everywhere |
| 05:01.04 | sjlinux|nick | has anyone had any luck sync'ng with a linux box? |
| 05:01.32 | stigger | what rom |
| 05:01.40 | sjlinux|nick | original |
| 05:01.47 | stigger | 3.x 2.x |
| 05:01.57 | sjlinux|nick | I haven't gotten to that part of the experience yet |
| 05:02.14 | sjlinux|nick | I am not sure what shipped with the original |
| 05:02.37 | stigger | the old 2.x series syncs with linux the 3.x doesn't |
| 05:02.44 | sjlinux|nick | Oh ok |
| 05:02.45 | treke|ho1e | and because their software doesnt particularly work well |
| 05:02.51 | sjlinux|nick | I will have to check it out |
| 05:02.58 | sjlinux|nick | I know |
| 05:03.08 | sjlinux|nick | I am even using Qtopia Desktop |
| 05:03.32 | sjlinux|nick | I will come back again soon, need to sleep |
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| 05:27.48 | offroadgeek | anyone know what the syntax is for the Ctrl and Alt keys in xmodmap? |
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| 05:43.02 | treke|ho1e | ok. time to track down the qpe-gaim bug |
| 05:43.30 | offroadgeek | what bug is that? |
| 05:43.42 | treke|ho1e | haha |
| 05:43.43 | offroadgeek | I couldn't get .4 working correctly on my 760... |
| 05:43.45 | treke|ho1e | found it. |
| 05:43.56 | treke|ho1e | OZ's glibc expects the gconv modules to be in /lib |
| 05:44.02 | treke|ho1e | they are being put in /usr/lib |
| 05:44.06 | offroadgeek | I gave up on it |
| 05:46.13 | treke|ho1e | oh well. It's working now in oe |
| 05:46.27 | treke|ho1e | with a easy workaround |
| 05:46.51 | treke|ho1e | ChipX86: can you add that to the faq? |
| 05:47.11 | ChipX86 | sure |
| 05:47.13 | ChipX86 | in a bit |
| 05:47.26 | treke|ho1e | and I'll fix the oz packages for the next round of updates |
| 05:48.25 | offroadgeek | ChipX86: who monitors/attends to the bugs on the site? |
| 05:48.34 | ChipX86 | me, but I've been very busy lately |
| 05:48.40 | ChipX86 | there's nobody else helping out on the project |
| 05:49.02 | offroadgeek | understandable... it *is* the holidays and all! |
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| 06:54.36 | rebecca1 | can anyone help me get my zaurus on my wireless network? it used to connect and then I switched providers... switched stuff but it doesn't work, whether I specify the dns stuff or use dhcp |
| 06:55.36 | StarScream | rebecca1...switching providers shouldn't make any difference |
| 06:55.53 | StarScream | is the gateway a windows or linux machine? |
| 06:56.05 | StarScream | or *bsd? |
| 06:56.51 | rebecca1 | the gateway is the wireless router, i thought |
| 06:57.23 | rebecca1 | i have dsl coming in to a wireless router, with a desktop connected via cable and two laptops that connect wirelessly |
| 06:57.37 | rebecca1 | they all work and the zaurus did before i got with sbc/yahoo |
| 06:58.14 | StarScream | ah ok.. kewl, so what is your zaurus's IP? |
| 06:58.37 | rebecca1 | 192.168.1.36 |
| 06:58.50 | StarScream | what is your routers ip? |
| 06:58.58 | rebecca1 | 192.168.1.2 |
| 06:59.12 | StarScream | can you ping your router from your Z? |
| 06:59.24 | rebecca1 | nope |
| 06:59.32 | rebecca1 | wait |
| 06:59.35 | rebecca1 | how can i try |
| 06:59.40 | rebecca1 | I can't get a terminal window |
| 06:59.57 | StarScream | ah, well its kinda handy to have that.. |
| 06:59.57 | rebecca1 | I can't ping the Z from my laptop |
| 07:00.09 | StarScream | ok whats your laptops ip? |
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| 07:00.15 | rebecca1 | I dont know |
| 07:00.19 | rebecca1 | how can i find out |
| 07:00.28 | StarScream | what OS is your laptop running? |
| 07:00.50 | rebecca1 | fedora |
| 07:01.21 | StarScream | k, in a terminal window type ifconfig -a |
| 07:01.38 | StarScream | that should give all of your devices, on should be wlan or something like that |
| 07:02.31 | rebecca1 | k |
| 07:02.57 | StarScream | you should be able to see your IP address there |
| 07:03.07 | rebecca1 | it's 192.168.1.13 |
| 07:03.30 | StarScream | k well next thing is, what subnet are you on.. i.e mask |
| 07:03.38 | rebecca1 | 255.255.255.0 |
| 07:03.53 | StarScream | is your Z on that subnet too? |
| 07:04.00 | rebecca1 | yES |
| 07:04.15 | StarScream | hmm |
| 07:04.56 | StarScream | on your Z go into network and check that you have wlan enabled.. |
| 07:05.38 | rebecca1 | ok |
| 07:05.39 | StarScream | and then if that works, logon to the router and check that wlan is enabled properly there.. |
| 07:05.41 | rebecca1 | just a sec |
| 07:07.21 | rebecca1 | ok I have three tabs, Current, services, and Sync |
| 07:07.40 | rebecca1 | on the Current tab it shows I'm on the IP address I said the Z had |
| 07:08.14 | rebecca1 | the Services tab shows that I have my WLAN available |
| 07:08.32 | rebecca1 | and the light on my wireless card is solid, not blinking, so I know it senses the signal... |
| 07:09.16 | StarScream | hmm not really syre then... |
| 07:09.24 | rebecca1 | yeah I know |
| 07:09.27 | StarScream | changing providers shouldn't do anything at all |
| 07:09.29 | rebecca1 | ok here's an idea |
| 07:09.48 | rebecca1 | When I changed providers, I set up the router to filter MAC addresses |
| 07:09.52 | omin0us | i got a complete working build of NetHack for the c760 now |
| 07:09.56 | StarScream | ahhh |
| 07:10.02 | StarScream | yeh that would be it |
| 07:10.02 | omin0us | running in Fluxbox wm :) |
| 07:10.05 | rebecca1 | ok |
| 07:10.11 | StarScream | did you add the Z's mac address? |
| 07:10.20 | rebecca1 | so I added the Z card MAC address |
| 07:10.24 | rebecca1 | but nothing |
| 07:10.45 | rebecca1 | so I tried disabling the mac address filters |
| 07:10.46 | StarScream | hmm |
| 07:10.50 | rebecca1 | which did nothing |
| 07:11.00 | rebecca1 | and I tested the Z at starbucks on their tmobile connection |
| 07:11.11 | rebecca1 | and it worked great there |
| 07:12.12 | ljp | hmmm |
| 07:12.16 | rebecca1 | I was mystified when the Z didn't work, after I had disabled the MAC address filtering. |
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| 07:12.35 | StarScream | do you have to reset the routeer for the changes to take effect? |
| 07:13.08 | rebecca1 | hmm no |
| 07:13.18 | ljp | wep? |
| 07:13.23 | rebecca1 | usually i just log out of the router and they are effective immediately |
| 07:13.26 | rebecca1 | wep is disabled |
| 07:14.09 | ljp | tried chanting 'great googli-moogli'? |
| 07:14.19 | ljp | sometimes that helps |
| 07:14.22 | ljp | :) |
| 07:14.31 | rebecca1 | hbehe |
| 07:14.40 | rebecca1 | ok will try it |
| 07:14.53 | ljp | ~chant |
| 07:14.54 | | great googli-moogli! great googli-moogli! great googli-moogli! |
| 07:14.59 | rebecca1 | lol |
| 07:15.13 | rebecca1 | maybe I should try resetting the router... |
| 07:15.40 | ljp | hmm |
| 07:18.30 | ljp | sharp rom? |
| 07:19.32 | rebecca1 | yes |
| 07:19.53 | rebecca1 | I lost the Z when I moved and then when I finally found it the battery was dead |
| 07:19.58 | rebecca1 | so I'm starting from scratch |
| 07:20.27 | ljp | hmmm |
| 07:23.45 | rebecca1 | when I try on the Z to connect to the router using my browser it says that address isn't available from this machine |
| 07:23.47 | rebecca1 | meaning the Z |
| 07:24.14 | rebecca1 | it should at least be able to open the router's page... |
| 07:24.20 | rebecca1 | which lets me log into the router |
| 07:26.44 | ljp | and you dont have konsole installed yet on the z, right? |
| 07:27.02 | rebecca1 | not yet |
| 07:27.22 | rebecca1 | my next question was gonna be how can i install this stuff over a network |
| 07:27.30 | rebecca1 | but I dont think i have a network yet |
| 07:27.51 | ljp | well, you had one from the coffee shop, right? |
| 07:28.11 | rebecca1 | yes at the coffee shop it worked great |
| 07:28.37 | rebecca1 | i guess I'll be going back there... |
| 07:29.32 | ljp | you can add this feed url into the package maneger |
| 07:29.35 | ljp | http://www.zaurususergroup.com/feed/ |
| 07:30.05 | ljp | 'Install from network' and it should allow you to specifya new url feed |
| 07:30.24 | ljp | that has embeddedkonsole in it, so you can at least get that, which will help a bit |
| 07:31.26 | ljp | it sounds like the Z isnt setting the route when you are at home or wherever |
| 07:32.32 | rebecca1 | yes |
| 07:32.40 | rebecca1 | thanks, I'm writing all that down |
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| 07:35.09 | rebecca1 | what is konsole? will that give me a terminal? |
| 07:36.08 | ljp | yes, its called embeddedkonsole |
| 07:36.41 | rebecca1 | cool |
| 07:43.12 | Taim | yo |
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| 07:47.31 | rebecca1 | are there other networks to install from? |
| 07:47.34 | rebecca1 | besides that one? |
| 07:48.43 | ljp | for Sharp rom? maybe, but I am not sure where |
| 07:50.18 | rebecca1 | ok i'll go to the starbucks tomorrow and give it a try |
| 07:50.21 | rebecca1 | thanks for the help :) |
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| 08:05.00 | omooreonzaurus | nmatrix9: hey man |
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| 08:05.36 | nmatrix9 | yo |
| 08:05.39 | nmatrix9 | omoore |
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| 10:04.41 | blitzrage | tetrix does it right.. but not anything else |
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| 13:41.29 | n_flag | has anyone had luck getting a socket 802.11b card to work with OZ 3.3.5? |
| 13:42.15 | n_flag | it's loading in the spectrum_cs, hermes, and orinoco modules |
| 13:42.37 | n_flag | but doing ifconfig wlan0 up says "No such device" |
| 13:44.17 | MG_Tak | you need to use eth0 |
| 13:44.36 | MG_Tak | works quite easily if you go to the network panel in opie |
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| 14:00.52 | n_flag | right, but my network panel also shows wlan0 which is the typical device name for wireless devices |
| 14:00.57 | n_flag | but I'll try eth0 instead |
| 14:02.08 | n_flag | yet, I get the same error |
| 14:32.42 | absentia | morn' |
| 14:48.16 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:40.36 | chuckr | hello anyone awake yet (getcher hot coffee!) |
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| 15:49.18 | rev | yo |
| 15:54.03 | chuckr | I was trying to decide on the sort of failure you *could* see, if you had either the zImage or initrd name wrong |
| 15:54.34 | chuckr | I suspect it's a lot more evil that just failing the entire flash operation |
| 15:55.17 | chuckr | I suspect that part of the operation can and often does go forward, leaving folks confused as to what they're really running on their Zaurus |
| 15:58.17 | MG_Tak | hi ChipX86 |
| 15:58.21 | MG_Tak | hi rev :) |
| 15:58.25 | ChipX86 | hi |
| 15:58.28 | rev | hey mg |
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| 17:30.52 | raduga | hello zaurioids |
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| 17:33.15 | zack | Hi all |
| 17:33.30 | zack | Is there a stable OpenZaurus for 5600? |
| 17:46.16 | MG_Tak | zack: works sort off for me |
| 17:46.57 | zack | what does? |
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| 17:55.33 | MG_Tak | zack: OZ |
| 18:01.26 | blitzrage | 3.3.5 has been workin' good for me so far |
| 18:01.46 | MG_Tak | blitzrage: on.. poodle? |
| 18:01.52 | blitzrage | on my 5500 |
| 18:15.04 | n_flag | blitzrage: do you have a wireless card working for it? |
| 18:16.13 | blitzrage | I have a wireless card.. but I haven't tried it yet |
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| 20:14.03 | mark | hi all |
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| 21:57.04 | ruied | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.04 | ruied | <ruied> I ran the following command: ipkg -d ram install kismet_3.0.1_arm.ipk |
| 22:08.17 | TheMasterMind1 | did you cd /mnt/cf |
| 22:08.24 | ruied | yes |
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| 22:09.33 | ruied | is it possible to be some kind of bug in ipkg ? |
| 22:09.55 | ruied | I'm using oz 3.3.5, I don't know if this is the problem... |
| 22:10.03 | ljp | bug in ipkg? inconceivable! |
| 22:10.23 | ruied | so, what can it be? |
| 22:10.39 | ljp | try a full path |
| 22:11.25 | ljp | although you shouldnt need to |
| 22:12.52 | ruied | nop, it reports: Cannot find package package /mnt/cf/kismet_3.0.1_arm.ipk |
| 22:14.11 | ruied | but the package exists, I even completed it with 'tab', the name is correct... |
| 22:16.05 | ruied | the card is formatted with vfat, is this a problem? |
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| 23:23.50 | absentia | re |
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| 23:29.09 | gerrynjr | absentia> wanana laugh? |
| 23:30.14 | absentia | jesus christ |
| 23:30.16 | treke | gerrynjr: Ever get rid of your infestation? :) |
| 23:30.23 | absentia | that's the 5th ambulance past the window since I got home |
| 23:30.25 | absentia | gerry: sure |
| 23:30.37 | gerrynjr | I got 2000 serials to sun's staroffice... free |
| 23:30.42 | gerrynjr | the system fucked up |
| 23:30.44 | absentia | the fact that there have been like 2 posts at externe.net in the last 3 day? |
| 23:30.49 | gerrynjr | so.. i called them up |
| 23:30.55 | absentia | star office needs serials ? |
| 23:30.56 | gerrynjr | and.. they said/// holy fuck! |
| 23:31.05 | gerrynjr | the guy actually said that |
| 23:31.15 | absentia | hahah |
| 23:31.26 | gerrynjr | I requested, that if indeed these serials are mine.. i'd liek to keep ten, and donate the rest to organizations of my choosing |
| 23:32.41 | W8TVI | heh |
| 23:32.46 | W8TVI | donate one to me :) |
| 23:33.11 | gerrynjr | they are linux licenses though :-( |
| 23:33.18 | gerrynjr | sorry windows users |
| 23:33.35 | W8TVI | most all the time |
| 23:33.41 | absentia | ya |
| 23:33.45 | absentia | how long are they good ? |
| 23:33.46 | W8TVI | I use linux for work, and windows for play time |
| 23:33.52 | gerrynjr | absentia> they are REAL licenses |
| 23:34.49 | W8TVI | and do you get to keep them? |
| 23:34.58 | gerrynjr | i'm in talks with sun ATM |
| 23:35.07 | gerrynjr | I have a backup of the magical numbers on cd :-D |
| 23:35.14 | W8TVI | heh |
| 23:35.17 | absentia | heheh |
| 23:35.40 | gerrynjr | if you want.. i'll send a copy to you guys later |
| 23:35.42 | absentia | what will play a .au file in linux ? |
| 23:35.44 | absentia | k |
| 23:35.49 | W8TVI | k |
| 23:35.54 | absentia | scott@spy.org |
| 23:36.21 | gerrynjr | I was gonna donat ethem to gentoo.. but i'm being flamed.. even as a devleoper there |
| 23:36.29 | gerrynjr | "closed source is bad, use OOo!" |
| 23:36.33 | absentia | flamed for what ? |
| 23:36.38 | W8TVI | ar798@tc*removeme*net.org |
| 23:37.02 | gerrynjr | they say it will hurt the image of the distro |
| 23:37.11 | W8TVI | lol |
| 23:37.13 | absentia | why? |
| 23:37.23 | gerrynjr | gentoo = 100 percent source based |
| 23:37.32 | absentia | ah |
| 23:37.54 | jdh41 | gerrynjr: you read the article "on trusting trust" |
| 23:38.16 | gerrynjr | ?? |
| 23:38.55 | jdh41 | even if you have access to the source code, do you trust the compiler? |
| 23:39.49 | Spec | Wasn't that a book? |
| 23:39.55 | absentia | anyone know how to open a drawbridge in nethack ? |
| 23:40.05 | treke | Spec: just an article |
| 23:40.14 | treke | Spec: only a couple pages long |
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| 23:40.22 | Spec | Eh, I was told it was a book - I have yet to bother finding/reading it :p |
| 23:40.45 | treke | http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/ |
| 23:41.01 | absentia | jf: ya, I read about some of the early K&R games |
| 23:41.01 | gerrynjr | donating staroffice licence is a bad idea imho |
| 23:41.03 | Spec | yeah...i'll just bookmark that and read it later. |
| 23:41.04 | jdh41 | http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/ |
| 23:41.06 | gerrynjr | gerrynjr: we should promote free software whenever it meets the need |
| 23:41.08 | jdh41 | doh |
| 23:41.12 | gerrynjr | that'a quote form a dev |
| 23:41.28 | Spec | I thought staroffice was opensourced and turned into the OOo project, what's the history behind that? |
| 23:48.46 | oGMo | Spec: it forked around 6.x, iirc |
| 23:49.10 | oGMo | 7.x was sun's proprietary version |
| 23:49.18 | treke | zaurus.com is up |
| 23:49.48 | oGMo | treke: woot! |
| 23:50.08 | oGMo | hmm, how good is Z bt stuff |
| 23:51.44 | oGMo | the Socket card is same as the Symbol one that's low-powered, right? i'm sure it is, i jsut can't find that page at the moment |
| 23:51.59 | oGMo | yeah, tis, nm |
| 23:52.11 | gerrynjr | treke> seems as if docs is down... |
| 23:52.15 | gerrynjr | nv,m |
| 23:52.16 | gerrynjr | it's up |
| 23:54.48 | absentia | did everyone see zaurus.com is back ? |
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| 23:56.18 | absentia | where is kernel source? |
| 23:56.31 | absentia | is there anythong of use in community.zaurus.com and or docs.zaurus.com ? |
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