| 00:00.04 | absentia | if I put the gcc cross compiler in another location other than the one that it wants, will it break (ie: compiled in lib paths?) |
| 00:00.25 | kergoth | yes, itll break |
| 00:00.32 | absentia | ok, I'll symlink /usr/local/arm to where I want. |
| 00:01.06 | kergoth | thatll do. i think i'm gonna switch our official chains to use /opt instead, so i can just make rpms of it to install |
| 00:01.23 | absentia | 'k |
| 00:01.41 | kergoth | sanity checking a new 3.3.2 chain that sits in /opt/cross atm |
| 00:01.46 | kergoth | seems to be buliding everything happily |
| 00:01.49 | rev | ciao |
| 00:01.51 | rev | dinner |
| 00:02.01 | absentia | I get top level 3.3 ... so I guess I have to make that dir.. and untar inside it. |
| 00:02.05 | absentia | later rev. |
| 00:02.18 | kergoth | yeh, /usr/local/arm/3.3/bin/arm-linux-gcc must exist |
| 00:04.39 | absentia | kergoth, you have the same uid as my wife... on this box. :-> |
| 00:07.05 | treke | lemme guess....1000? |
| 00:07.30 | absentia | 503 |
| 00:07.35 | absentia | I'm 10:10 everywhere. |
| 00:07.45 | treke | 503. redhat. bleh. |
| 00:07.53 | absentia | now I find stupid sh!t software like pop and stuff that refuses to serve email to uids < 100 |
| 00:08.01 | absentia | treke: yup |
| 00:08.23 | absentia | it's sort of like 6 digit pids. |
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| 00:14.53 | Cameron | Where can I order a replacement stylus for my C700 in the U.S.? |
| 00:15.22 | kergoth | its the same stylus as hte other z models |
| 00:15.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:15.56 | Cameron | ah, didn't realize |
| 00:15.57 | Cameron | thanks |
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| 00:45.29 | absentia | is adding /usr/local/arm |
| 00:45.45 | absentia | sufficient? or do I have to add /usr/local/arm/3.3/bin (as I suspect)? |
| 00:47.30 | _Psycho | bin in the path |
| 00:53.33 | absentia | grrr.. linux seems to only allow me 10 levels of symlinks |
| 00:53.39 | absentia | that's too pathetically low. |
| 00:54.33 | treke | probably just a #define |
| 00:54.41 | absentia | dynamic ? |
| 00:55.10 | treke | compile time |
| 00:56.16 | absentia | damn |
| 00:56.23 | absentia | I'm going to run into this hard... soon. |
| 00:56.40 | treke | so compile a new kernel :) |
| 00:56.46 | absentia | it's for a remote machine. |
| 00:57.58 | absentia | I'm finding it harder and harder to search for things on the net |
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| 01:05.39 | absentia | argh |
| 01:09.23 | absentia | kergoth, can I make a change to the script here -- http://www.openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/GettingStartedEnvironmentScript so it uses one root instead of ~/devel/openzaurus in three places? something like _OEBR="blah" and then $_OEBR in those 3 places? |
| 01:16.29 | absentia | so, I have to use sh or ksh to dev oe? |
| 01:16.31 | absentia | I can't use tcsh? |
| 01:17.19 | absentia | actually, ~ isn't sh... it's only ksh. (or bash) |
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| 01:33.22 | absentia | re |
| 01:34.19 | absentia | export OEFILES=*/*.oe |
| 01:34.26 | absentia | what */* is that relative to |
| 01:34.29 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.11 | kergoth | i'd recommend not setting OEFILES in local.conf |
| 01:35.13 | kergoth | but instead doing: |
| 01:35.43 | kergoth | OEFILES=`ls */*.oe|grep -E -v 'binutils-cross|uclibc|*-initial|gcc-cross|avr-libc'` oemake -a; from the packages dir |
| 01:36.11 | kergoth | oemake doesnt handle multiple provides.. what happens is, a package depends on libc, and it decides to build BOTH providers glibc and uclibc, which promptly makes things blow up |
| 01:36.17 | kergoth | so we grep out the problematic metadata |
| 01:36.30 | absentia | ok |
| 01:36.38 | absentia | I'm following the getting started document. |
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| 01:37.06 | kergoth | yeah, feel free to modify the wiki. we're trying to collect all the data there, then move it all into doc/ in the oe tree |
| 01:37.34 | absentia | well, I have 3 pages of notes and I'm just creating the packages/conf/local.conf file! |
| 01:37.37 | absentia | ok, here's my first command... |
| 01:37.44 | kergoth | lets move this to #openembedded |
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| 01:41.03 | lfm | hello, anyone with a 5600 being able to sync with linux ? |
| 01:42.22 | lfm | or using OZ 3.3.5 with the Z 5600 ? |
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| 02:51.55 | gerrynjr | kergoth> some nice work on this new release |
| 02:51.57 | gerrynjr | works great here |
| 02:52.05 | kergoth | glad to hear it. |
| 02:52.19 | kergoth | thank mickey, it was his release. i havent touched the old buildroot in like 4 months :D |
| 02:52.23 | kergoth | i'm working ont he 3.5.x branch |
| 02:52.53 | gerrynjr | ah... well, I look forward to seeing this new buildsystem |
| 02:52.56 | gerrynjr | :-D |
| 02:53.53 | kergoth | its spiffy! |
| 02:53.54 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:54.10 | kergoth | the feeds are going to be insane |
| 02:54.23 | kergoth | we already have 450 ipks being outputted |
| 02:54.26 | gerrynjr | curious, what ever happened to xmms-e? |
| 02:54.26 | kergoth | and its not granular enough yet |
| 02:54.27 | gerrynjr | I see it's in the old feeds.. but it's not in ther newer ones |
| 02:54.28 | kergoth | and opie isnt in yet |
| 02:54.35 | gerrynjr | wow |
| 02:54.39 | gerrynjr | nice |
| 02:54.39 | kergoth | mickey probably forgot to enable it when he was building |
| 02:54.45 | gerrynjr | mething i'll need a nice sd |
| 02:54.46 | kergoth | therell be a full dev environment in the oz feeds |
| 02:54.48 | kergoth | no zgcc stuff |
| 02:54.56 | kergoth | just install binutils, gcc, libc6-dev, whatever |
| 02:55.00 | kergoth | or task-c-dev |
| 02:55.01 | gerrynjr | hmm, on a 5500, it would be slow though? |
| 02:55.05 | kergoth | oh yeah |
| 02:55.10 | kergoth | and probably runo ut of ram |
| 02:55.15 | kergoth | but people keep asking for it, so what the hell |
| 02:55.16 | gerrynjr | CL series will rock w/ that :-D |
| 02:55.26 | gerrynjr | hell, it might push me to get one |
| 02:55.29 | gerrynjr | if it runs.. |
| 02:55.31 | gerrynjr | :-D |
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| 02:55.58 | gerrynjr | kergoth> there's always distcc though |
| 02:56.11 | kergoth | yeah |
| 02:56.25 | kergoth | i added a ton of odd shit to the buildsystem |
| 02:56.31 | kergoth | stuff people will never use, but just for novelty of it |
| 02:56.37 | kergoth | like postfix, sendmail, cyrus-imapd, etc |
| 02:56.45 | gerrynjr | sendmail? on a Z? |
| 02:56.46 | gerrynjr | nice! |
| 02:56.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:57.04 | gerrynjr | so.. now I can have a portable open relay... er.. no :-D |
| 02:57.08 | kergoth | fetchmail+mutt on a z with a small mta could be useful |
| 02:57.42 | kergoth | or just make your zaurus the MX for a subdomain, and have people email your pda directly |
| 02:57.46 | kergoth | thatd be kinda cool too |
| 02:57.47 | absentia | task c dev.. THANK YOU!!! |
| 02:57.49 | absentia | finally. |
| 02:57.54 | absentia | it's so desperately needed. |
| 02:58.02 | gerrynjr | kergoth> this is the buildsystem that will compile the system for other systems as well, right? |
| 02:58.16 | gerrynjr | er.. that was a bit unclear |
| 02:58.25 | gerrynjr | too many 'systems' |
| 02:58.37 | kergoth | you can build for just about any target |
| 02:58.48 | kergoth | i use OE to build i386 rpms for my desktop when i'm feeling particularly lazy |
| 02:59.03 | kergoth | uclibc and glibc are both in, and 95% of the packages build with either |
| 02:59.25 | gerrynjr | hmm, I wonder how the sh target is.. i could get a nice dreamcast livecd going |
| 02:59.28 | gerrynjr | just for shits |
| 02:59.37 | gerrynjr | sh4 |
| 02:59.39 | kergoth | chouimat started making the old buildroot build for sh |
| 02:59.45 | kergoth | dont think he got too far with it though |
| 03:01.48 | chouimat | kergoth: lost it after a HD crash, started again this week but I lack time |
| 03:02.14 | gerrynjr | once I get exams squared away.. I might start working on a a this stuff a bit more |
| 03:03.07 | gerrynjr | wow.. aqpkg is uable now! |
| 03:03.09 | gerrynjr | usable |
| 03:03.33 | chouimat | gerrynjr: I got opie booting on the Dc but I was using too much CDs ... |
| 03:03.41 | gerrynjr | chouimat> nice |
| 03:03.59 | chouimat | but lost it about 2 month ago ... |
| 03:04.19 | gerrynjr | not nice.. |
| 03:04.27 | gerrynjr | oh well |
| 03:04.32 | gerrynjr | at least we know it compiles |
| 03:04.40 | chouimat | I just need to get the coder cable and I will be ok |
| 03:05.01 | gerrynjr | chouimat> as do I |
| 03:05.09 | gerrynjr | unfortunately, I never managed to get a network adapter for it |
| 03:06.22 | chouimat | got my DC in june for 25cad |
| 03:07.26 | gerrynjr | I found mine in a dumpster :-D |
| 03:07.35 | chouimat | hehe |
| 03:07.47 | gerrynjr | odd |
| 03:07.54 | gerrynjr | xmms-e don't wanna play streams |
| 03:08.06 | chouimat | gerrynjr: I think I will get a PS2 and a usb-usb cable so we can have ps2 support |
| 03:08.56 | gerrynjr | ps2 needs the linux kit though, right? |
| 03:10.01 | chouimat | gerrynjr: yes ... but you can also program it directly without linux if you want |
| 03:10.20 | gerrynjr | that... I did not know |
| 03:12.44 | chouimat | gerrynjr: http://ps2dev.org |
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| 03:15.49 | absentia | hey |
| 03:15.55 | omin0us | hey, whats up |
| 03:16.12 | absentia | just trying my hand at oe build... with a lot of handholding from kergoth. |
| 03:16.17 | absentia | trying to document it. |
| 03:19.50 | omin0us | hows it going |
| 03:20.03 | omin0us | i was thinking of helping convert packages as wll |
| 03:20.04 | omin0us | well* |
| 03:20.05 | absentia | bumpy |
| 03:20.15 | omin0us | is it pretty hard? |
| 03:20.16 | absentia | hopefully my documentation will help... |
| 03:20.25 | omin0us | what all do you need to know about? |
| 03:20.33 | omin0us | minimally to doit |
| 03:20.41 | omin0us | s/doit/do it/ |
| 03:20.42 | kergoth | absentia: itll *reallY* help once i fix the multiple provides handling in oemake |
| 03:20.48 | kergoth | absentia: then we wont have to do the OEFILES mangling |
| 03:27.01 | absentia | ok |
| 03:27.06 | absentia | the mangling isn't bad... for now. |
| 03:38.08 | gerrynjr | hmm, mediaplayer is still borked |
| 03:39.21 | gerrynjr | oh well |
| 03:40.50 | absentia | huh ? |
| 03:41.50 | gerrynjr | absentia> i've been going 3+ hours on the new OZ release |
| 03:41.57 | gerrynjr | previously, I only had 1.5 hrs |
| 03:42.06 | absentia | oh ya |
| 03:42.12 | absentia | virtual pc had an issue with that |
| 03:42.15 | kergoth | 2.4.18 sucks less |
| 03:42.24 | absentia | when the virtual pc was 100% idle, it took 99 to 100% of the main comp cpu |
| 03:42.34 | absentia | seems the idle routine to do nothing, was chewing up all the cpu... to do nothing |
| 03:42.39 | omin0us | kergoth: would i be able to help convert the buildroot in freebsd? |
| 03:42.50 | absentia | om: w=once I get it working under linux |
| 03:42.54 | absentia | I'll be able to do it for freebsd |
| 03:43.03 | absentia | I was not able to get anywhere when I first tried it under freebsd |
| 03:43.13 | omin0us | ok |
| 03:43.18 | absentia | but that was buildroot, not oebuild |
| 03:43.24 | kergoth | would be nice to make sure it works under the bsds, and under osx, and under cygwin |
| 03:43.25 | absentia | but I'll help test with you. |
| 03:43.44 | omin0us | yeah, i'll help test under bsd |
| 03:43.58 | kergoth | cool |
| 03:45.20 | omin0us | as thats all i really use here |
| 03:45.40 | omin0us | absentia: have you gotten USB networking to work in FreeBSD? |
| 03:46.00 | absentia | so what's the deal... |
| 03:46.12 | omin0us | ? |
| 03:46.21 | absentia | people keep saying that people should wait for the 6000 in the us... but others are saying that it's not for consumers, but business... |
| 03:46.29 | absentia | om: haven't tried. |
| 03:46.37 | omin0us | i have no desire to own a 6000 |
| 03:46.43 | omin0us | i hate the design of it |
| 03:46.47 | absentia | I mean, will one be able to walk into a store and buy one? |
| 03:47.00 | omin0us | i am perfectly content with owning a 760 |
| 03:47.04 | absentia | or will it just be by ordder from sharp and then just able to take into a sharp dealer for them to ship off to j ? |
| 03:47.07 | absentia | ditto |
| 03:47.15 | gerrynjr | hmm, i'd want a clamshell model if I upgraded |
| 03:47.27 | gerrynjr | but I got a feeling i'll be getting a laptop after the Z... |
| 03:47.34 | gerrynjr | a nice apple g4/g5 laptop |
| 03:47.39 | gerrynjr | g5 if they are out by then |
| 03:47.43 | absentia | I have and have had both |
| 03:47.47 | absentia | they each have their uses |
| 03:47.53 | absentia | believe me, you get tired of luggin' laptops around. |
| 03:48.05 | absentia | but, for long runs, you need it... for quick travel, the z is more than sufficient. |
| 03:48.11 | gerrynjr | absentia> wouldn't know the feeling, never owned a lappy |
| 03:48.26 | absentia | I went to va recently, and had 2 7x0s and two cell phones in a little bag... carryon |
| 03:48.29 | gerrynjr | heck.. the Z is my first color PDA |
| 03:48.43 | gerrynjr | absentia> they didn't take it from you? |
| 03:48.45 | omin0us | my 5500 was my first PDA |
| 03:48.46 | absentia | well, some laptops are better than others |
| 03:48.49 | gerrynjr | *security* |
| 03:48.53 | omin0us | and then now my 760 |
| 03:48.56 | absentia | the keyboard on the mac laptop is excellent |
| 03:49.00 | absentia | the screen and design is excellent |
| 03:49.01 | gerrynjr | omin0us> palm m100 :-D |
| 03:49.08 | absentia | I have a gateway... from '99 .. and it's very very nice |
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| 03:49.26 | absentia | I don't like toshiba (plasticy?) ... sony... viao? justr say no. the keys fall off. |
| 03:49.37 | gerrynjr | absentia> either way.. it would probably dual boot.. if pc, BSD/linux.. if mac.. osx and linux |
| 03:49.39 | absentia | gerr: they didn't even ASK |
| 03:49.50 | absentia | one little bag... with 2 computers, etc... |
| 03:49.51 | treke|laptop | powerbooks are nice but fricken heavy |
| 03:49.51 | omin0us | if i get a laptop i definantly want a tiny subnotebook |
| 03:49.58 | absentia | tons of wires, usb drives... mem cards, batteries |
| 03:49.59 | omin0us | because i don't want a huge heavy laptop |
| 03:50.02 | omin0us | just a small one |
| 03:50.02 | absentia | looked like a damn radio exploded |
| 03:50.06 | gerrynjr | omin0us> ibook is small enough for me |
| 03:50.12 | treke|laptop | this compaq is nice |
| 03:50.17 | absentia | well, if you go subnotebook, you're back to paying through the nose |
| 03:50.24 | absentia | no floppy, cd, etc.. everything is a cable. |
| 03:50.25 | gerrynjr | absentia> ibook? |
| 03:50.30 | omin0us | yeah, i know |
| 03:50.32 | absentia | might as well get a small laptop. |
| 03:50.36 | absentia | ibook, ya. |
| 03:50.44 | omin0us | well, the toshiba libretto is tiny and has cd-rw drive |
| 03:50.48 | omin0us | built in |
| 03:51.05 | absentia | I have had an ibm x20 (has a led light on the top of the screen to light up the keys when it's dark!) .. but the screen is heavier than the base without the extra base station |
| 03:51.14 | gerrynjr | if I go submoitebook, it would have a transmeta chip... none of this intel shiznit |
| 03:51.16 | absentia | so it will fall off your lap when the screen is past the 1/2 mark |
| 03:51.29 | absentia | I also have a compaq armada ... but the keys are not as nice as the old gateway |
| 03:51.29 | gerrynjr | absentia> that's a poor design |
| 03:51.49 | absentia | the best thing 'bout the zaurus is that it doesn't make ANY noise |
| 03:51.52 | absentia | I can't stand noise |
| 03:52.00 | gerrynjr | absentia> you would hate my pc then |
| 03:52.05 | absentia | I use to have a sun ELC in my bedroom... 17" mono screen.. but 100% silent. |
| 03:52.05 | gerrynjr | noise galor from the cpu fan |
| 03:52.20 | absentia | I use to have a ss1000... when I turned it on, the fans sounded like a dc10 |
| 03:52.22 | gerrynjr | _just_ the cpu fan |
| 03:52.32 | absentia | it made a tornado in my closet... I swear, my hair would flap in the wind. |
| 03:52.32 | treke|laptop | my desktop sounds like a plane taking off |
| 03:52.38 | absentia | ya, that's the one |
| 03:52.47 | absentia | my laptops have the grinding hd noise |
| 03:52.48 | gerrynjr | ok, mine isn't that bad |
| 03:52.53 | absentia | also, freebsd doesn't keep my machine cool |
| 03:52.54 | omin0us | my biggest prob with my 760 (and a little prob at that) is that you have to press SHIFT to type the / |
| 03:52.55 | absentia | 4.x did |
| 03:53.00 | absentia | but 5.x keeps the fan on all the time |
| 03:53.06 | treke|laptop | omin0us: use oz :) |
| 03:53.11 | omin0us | i know OZ does |
| 03:53.11 | absentia | om: sucks... but you can keymap. |
| 03:53.15 | omin0us | i tried that |
| 03:53.23 | omin0us | but i like the X11 rom for now |
| 03:53.28 | absentia | try using emaics... |
| 03:53.34 | treke|laptop | omin0us: So remap the key |
| 03:53.36 | gerrynjr | omin0us> if I had a cl series, i'd be running that rom as well |
| 03:53.40 | absentia | and typing shift-fn-x shft-fn-f |
| 03:53.42 | omin0us | how? |
| 03:53.48 | absentia | to delete one char, it's shift-fn-d |
| 03:53.54 | treke|laptop | X isnt nearly as horribly limited as qte :) |
| 03:53.58 | treke|laptop | omin0us: xmodmap |
| 03:54.01 | absentia | yup |
| 03:54.07 | absentia | if I could get gcc on the beast |
| 03:54.09 | absentia | I'd run the x11 rom |
| 03:54.14 | absentia | I don't need qtopia AT ALL |
| 03:54.21 | absentia | all it does is get in my way. |
| 03:54.35 | gerrynjr | omin0us> what web browser do you use on that beast |
| 03:54.36 | omin0us | me neither |
| 03:54.37 | gerrynjr | ? |
| 03:54.48 | omin0us | X11 on here is so nice |
| 03:54.51 | treke|laptop | use minimo |
| 03:55.01 | absentia | I grabbed that today. |
| 03:55.06 | treke|laptop | absentia: did you see the new matchbox screenshot? |
| 03:55.47 | absentia | no |
| 03:55.49 | absentia | url ? |
| 03:55.50 | treke|laptop | http://handhelds.org/~mallum/paneltitle.png |
| 03:55.54 | absentia | ah |
| 03:55.54 | absentia | yes |
| 03:55.58 | absentia | kergoth said it looked good |
| 03:56.03 | absentia | I didn't see much, other than a stretch title |
| 03:56.26 | treke|laptop | absentia: It eliminates the panel at the bottom. |
| 03:56.29 | absentia | yes |
| 03:56.34 | absentia | totally wasted space |
| 03:56.34 | gerrynjr | wow |
| 03:56.43 | absentia | I Think that should be a key, to pull up a full page of things.... |
| 03:56.50 | absentia | instead of permanently up. |
| 03:57.11 | gerrynjr | what is this matchbox thing? |
| 03:57.17 | kergoth | gerrynjr: window manager. |
| 03:57.19 | treke|laptop | gerrynjr: a window manager |
| 03:57.20 | kergoth | ibot: matchbox |
| 03:57.21 | | it has been said that matchbox is a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 03:57.25 | gerrynjr | that's what they use in gpe! |
| 03:58.16 | treke|laptop | kergoth: found my problem with running gpe as a nonroot user on OZ. /dev permissions arent correct |
| 03:58.20 | absentia | I see oz with a transparent opie menu |
| 03:58.22 | absentia | how does one set that ? |
| 03:58.38 | treke|laptop | absentia: use the liquid style and watch performance go to shit |
| 03:58.45 | absentia | ok |
| 03:59.01 | absentia | heheh, he has a screenshot of dillo |
| 03:59.04 | absentia | that's one f'n fast browser. |
| 03:59.05 | gerrynjr | absentia> slows it down |
| 03:59.15 | gerrynjr | absentia> the transparencies |
| 03:59.25 | absentia | I don't want it |
| 03:59.27 | absentia | just wondering how |
| 04:00.19 | absentia | does qpose rnu a modern palm os? |
| 04:00.46 | gerrynjr | absentia> qpose is too slow |
| 04:00.54 | gerrynjr | it's not even usable |
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| 04:01.00 | absentia | really? |
| 04:01.02 | absentia | on a 760 ? |
| 04:01.15 | gerrynjr | havn't tried on a 760 |
| 04:01.44 | absentia | ok |
| 04:02.10 | treke|laptop | a modern palmos is definitly going to be unemulatable on a c760 :) |
| 04:02.26 | treke|laptop | maybe if you could hack something vmware like together |
| 04:15.26 | omin0us | nice, ZUG is down again |
| 04:16.28 | omin0us | brb gonna reboot |
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| 04:26.23 | omin0us | ok, back |
| 04:27.19 | treke|laptop | kergoth: only took about an hour to get gpe installed this time around |
| 04:27.23 | treke|laptop | it keeps getting easier :) |
| 04:27.49 | kergoth | nice |
| 04:28.16 | treke|laptop | Its funny how much stuff works that way |
| 04:28.31 | treke|laptop | I'll switch to something half a dozen times before actually sticking with it |
| 04:30.40 | treke|laptop | I kept going back to X so many times before I finally stuck with qtopia |
| 04:33.02 | mewyn | if you go to zah'ha'dum you will die. |
| 04:33.22 | absentia | he did |
| 04:33.25 | treke|laptop | I'll keep that in mind when planning my vacation |
| 04:34.10 | absentia | the shadows were cool... |
| 04:34.23 | treke|laptop | anyone know when season 4 is coming out on DVD? |
| 04:34.29 | absentia | although I wouldn't mind being a p12 anyday... |
| 04:34.42 | absentia | if nothing more than to play with bester... |
| 04:34.45 | absentia | no |
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| 05:17.50 | omin0us | where can i find the debian arm packages? |
| 05:18.12 | treke|laptop | ftp.debian.org |
| 05:18.27 | treke|laptop | they are in the pool directory along with all the other packages |
| 05:20.17 | omin0us | how do i know which ones are for ARM? |
| 05:20.24 | treke|laptop | they are labeled arm |
| 05:20.30 | kergoth | um, the ones with *arm* in the filename maybe? |
| 05:20.32 | kergoth | brb |
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| 05:38.49 | chouimat | night |
| 05:39.01 | absentia | n |
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| 05:58.31 | omin0us | my c760 won't turn on !!!! |
| 05:58.36 | omin0us | its bricked or something! |
| 05:58.44 | absentia | no |
| 05:58.56 | omin0us | it was just sitting on my desk |
| 05:58.57 | treke|laptop | c760s are nearly impossible to brick |
| 05:58.59 | absentia | did your battery run down |
| 05:59.00 | omin0us | not doing anything |
| 05:59.10 | omin0us | no, it was at 75 % |
| 05:59.10 | absentia | plug it in, wait 10 |
| 05:59.11 | absentia | boot |
| 05:59.23 | omin0us | when i went to use it, it was frozen |
| 05:59.37 | omin0us | so i figured i would telnet into it and reboot from there |
| 05:59.49 | omin0us | and it wouldn't recognize it when i put the USB cable in |
| 06:00.02 | omin0us | and then i took out the battery to turn it off |
| 06:00.07 | omin0us | and left it out for 5 secs |
| 06:00.13 | omin0us | and now it won't turn back on |
| 06:00.18 | omin0us | even with the power plugged it |
| 06:00.21 | omin0us | in* |
| 06:00.41 | omin0us | i can't even get to the service menu |
| 06:01.55 | omin0us | what the hell do i do? |
| 06:02.01 | omin0us | this thing has no warrenty either? |
| 06:02.03 | omin0us | :( |
| 06:07.24 | omin0us | YES |
| 06:07.26 | omin0us | it booted |
| 06:07.31 | absentia | see |
| 06:07.51 | omin0us | thanks absentia |
| 06:07.52 | Pendalar | got to love people with new pdas (or electronics in general) |
| 06:08.01 | Pendalar | *cough*spaz*cough* |
| 06:08.08 | Pendalar | but yes I do the same |
| 06:08.11 | absentia | om: only because it's happened to me MANY times w/ my 700 |
| 06:08.27 | omin0us | well, when you pay 700 dollars and you've only had it 4 days and have no warrenty |
| 06:08.30 | absentia | I even have two batteries... so I swapped batteris, still dead.. |
| 06:08.35 | omin0us | you tend to freak out when somthing go wrong |
| 06:08.37 | absentia | cause, second battery was empty too! |
| 06:08.50 | omin0us | lol |
| 06:09.11 | omin0us | i'm gonna start trying to port some apps to the X11 rom right now i think |
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| 06:29.22 | omin0us | what is libstdc++-libc6.2-2? |
| 06:29.30 | omin0us | and is it available for the Z? |
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| 06:31.58 | omin0us | anyone alive? |
| 06:32.03 | absentia | ya |
| 06:32.12 | absentia | not idea what that is... looks like two different libs to me. |
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| 06:33.23 | omin0us | ibot: libstdc++-libc6.2-2 |
| 06:33.25 | | omin0us: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 06:33.34 | kergoth | omin0us: whats asking for it? |
| 06:34.19 | omin0us | i'm just trying to see if i can install Fluxbox on the Z to use for the X11 rom of Sash's. Its from the debian arm package |
| 06:34.28 | omin0us | i looked for the lib there as well |
| 06:34.36 | omin0us | but couldn't find it |
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| 06:38.56 | omin0us | wb chuckrz |
| 06:39.11 | chuckrz | Hi this is from my 760 |
| 06:39.16 | omin0us | heh, cool |
| 06:39.39 | omin0us | kergoth: would you happen to know if that lib is available for the zaurus? |
| 06:39.50 | chuckrz | really neat if makes my already bad typing worse |
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| 06:42.36 | absentia | re from 760 |
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| 06:46.18 | absentia | <c |
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| 08:10.30 | omin0us | everyone still dead? |
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| 08:36.49 | omin0us | no on alive? |
| 09:08.26 | omin0us | yep |
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| 10:53.49 | omin0us | aha! i got fluxbox working for the WM on my 760 :0 |
| 10:53.51 | omin0us | :) |
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| 15:01.31 | chouimat | morning |
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| 16:51.27 | chuckr | anyone want to discuss filesystem layout? |
| 16:53.55 | chuckr | I want to talk about how to logically place items in a fully built out system |
| 16:55.40 | chuckr | like, once you use a thing like aqpkg to install pkgs, should you delete some files (are some useless data files just taking space?) |
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| 17:06.37 | treke|home | yes. |
| 17:06.53 | treke|home | if you dont want to keep data files around |
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| 17:50.57 | Zxcvb | is there any advantage to using jffs2 over vfat/ext2 on compactflash or sd/mmc cards? |
| 17:51.07 | treke|home | You can't |
| 17:51.16 | treke|home | jffs2 is not a file system for block devices |
| 17:51.42 | Zxcvb | it isn't? |
| 17:51.47 | treke|home | No it isnt |
| 17:52.02 | treke|home | it's for mtd devices |
| 17:52.24 | Zxcvb | sd/mmc and compactflash spread out writes to different areas automatically, right? |
| 17:52.35 | treke|home | I think that depends on the card |
| 17:53.42 | Zxcvb | for mmc/sd wouldn't it depend on the device? |
| 17:53.59 | treke|home | Dunno |
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| 19:17.15 | MG_Tak | kergoth: you there? |
| 19:39.56 | _Psycho | well updater.sh |
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| 19:54.05 | omin0us | anyone alive? |
| 19:54.22 | omin0us | heh |
| 19:54.49 | absentia | no |
| 19:54.56 | omin0us | hey absentia |
| 19:54.57 | omin0us | whats up |
| 19:54.59 | absentia | that's a philosophical question. |
| 19:55.06 | omin0us | or... |
| 19:55.12 | absentia | reading the sysadmin vs developer thread on slashdot |
| 19:55.20 | omin0us | ah |
| 19:55.46 | omin0us | spent all last night getting apache and Fluxbox running on my Z= |
| 19:55.50 | omin0us | and i got it |
| 19:56.44 | absentia | whats' fluxboxx? |
| 19:57.17 | omin0us | i found the libg++-libc.6.1 in the mysql package from a debian feed, then just installed that and symlinked to as if it was 6.2 and it worked |
| 19:57.22 | omin0us | its a different Window Manager |
| 19:57.43 | omin0us | its what I use for my desktop manager on this computer |
| 19:57.44 | absentia | ah, that's right. |
| 19:58.14 | omin0us | i think i'm gonna see if I can't get KDE on this puppy |
| 19:58.15 | omin0us | heh |
| 20:05.21 | omin0us | Twium: on the c760 with the X11 rom its really not that bad |
| 20:05.38 | treke|home | omin0us: Hows the refresh? |
| 20:05.40 | treke|home | Noticable? |
| 20:05.42 | MG_Tak | is there a difference between flashing a Z and updating to a new kernel? |
| 20:06.18 | Twiun | omin0us: KDE performance? |
| 20:06.20 | treke|home | MG_Tak: "flashing" generally means installing a new rootfs and kernel |
| 20:06.34 | treke|home | MG_Tak: On some models they can be updated seperatly |
| 20:06.39 | omin0us | treke|home: yeah on some things, like with Fluxbox, if i select a theme with a dark background with a grid of light lines, the screen seems to pulsate |
| 20:06.40 | MG_Tak | treke|home: well, is the procedure the same? |
| 20:06.49 | treke|home | MG_Tak: yes |
| 20:06.52 | omin0us | is there anyway to configure that? |
| 20:06.56 | Twiun | omin0us: nasty for the eyes |
| 20:07.07 | treke|home | omin0us: No. What I'm wondering about is the refresh of the screen on large changes |
| 20:07.10 | omin0us | like either the refresh rate, or the pixil clock frequency |
| 20:07.20 | Twiun | have a look at fbset |
| 20:07.25 | omin0us | oh, speed wise |
| 20:07.25 | Twiun | you might be able to tweak it |
| 20:07.27 | omin0us | its fine |
| 20:07.28 | treke|home | omin0us: With stock X you watch the screen clear itself and redraw over the course of a second or so |
| 20:07.28 | MG_Tak | but this doesn't seem to want to work the same. |
| 20:07.52 | omin0us | its just the same as the Stock X11 rom |
| 20:08.34 | omin0us | treke|home: you using the X11 rom right now? |
| 20:08.41 | treke|home | omin0us: I'm using an X11 based image |
| 20:08.49 | treke|home | no "the" X11 rom as in cackos |
| 20:09.02 | omin0us | yeah, thats what i'm referring to |
| 20:09.39 | omin0us | i know its an x11 based rom, but everyone just calls his the X11 rom |
| 20:10.43 | MG_Tak | ls gives zimage as filename.. do a mv zimage zImage.. still gives zimage as filename. |
| 20:11.04 | omin0us | hmm, thats really weird |
| 20:11.12 | Twiun | fat filesystems are case-insensitive |
| 20:12.08 | MG_Tak | Twiun: as in "can't tell the difference between zimage and zImage" or "doesn't care if there's a difference" ? |
| 20:12.10 | omin0us | i need some ideas of what apps to try and get running on Sash's X11 rom, so i can help build up the package feed |
| 20:12.14 | MG_Tak | on my Z, it shows the difference |
| 20:12.17 | MG_Tak | kinda odd |
| 20:12.26 | Twiun | I think it's 'doesn't care' |
| 20:12.36 | Twiun | it's like Windows |
| 20:18.02 | absentia | anyone know latin ? |
| 20:18.26 | Twiun | I can figure out the odd word |
| 20:18.41 | Twiun | MG_Tak: you should be able to figure out the odd word too, being french :) |
| 20:18.42 | absentia | dalenda est |
| 20:18.45 | absentia | SCO dalenda est |
| 20:18.48 | absentia | SPAM dalenda est |
| 20:18.57 | omin0us | Q.E.D. |
| 20:19.00 | absentia | must be destropyed? |
| 20:19.03 | omin0us | E Plurbus Unim |
| 20:19.05 | MG_Tak | Twiun: that doesn't qualify as "knowing" :) |
| 20:19.19 | Twiun | hmmm dalenda doesn't ring any bells |
| 20:19.28 | absentia | I think it's improper latin |
| 20:19.46 | Twiun | MG_Tak: no, probably not |
| 20:19.50 | absentia | I think it's Delenda est SCO |
| 20:20.11 | absentia | http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/1999-February/015578.html |
| 20:20.49 | treke|home | omin0us: The stuff I'm playing with is giving me a 6x speed up for landscape mode :p |
| 20:22.08 | absentia | that's it |
| 20:22.22 | absentia | everytime some loser says "loose" instead of "lose" ... I"m gonna correct it onslashdot |
| 20:22.31 | absentia | someone needs to correct these morons before they become managers |
| 20:23.05 | treke|home | wow. the cacko.biz site is *slow* |
| 20:23.13 | absentia | what do you need |
| 20:23.17 | absentia | I have their x11 and gcc mirrored |
| 20:23.20 | treke|home | oh? |
| 20:23.21 | absentia | try my site and tell me the speed you get? |
| 20:23.28 | absentia | www.spy.org/zaurus/public/feed |
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| 20:31.57 | treke|home | absentia: Very fast :) |
| 20:32.08 | absentia | :-) |
| 20:32.27 | treke|home | 775.10K/s |
| 20:32.27 | absentia | if you use that code, please let me know. I didn't grab the sigs and verify. |
| 20:32.29 | absentia | nice! |
| 20:32.35 | absentia | better than cacko |
| 20:32.54 | absentia | I think zug has some cacko files too |
| 20:36.54 | treke|home | Anyone mind running a program in landscape mode on cacko's X rom for some benchmarking? |
| 20:37.14 | absentia | I haven't flahed that rom yet |
| 20:37.19 | absentia | was gonna try oz 3.3.5 on c700 first.. |
| 20:37.23 | absentia | an then the x11 on the c700 |
| 20:37.35 | MG_Tak | anyone have 3.3.5 on 5600? |
| 20:37.42 | absentia | but I moved 100% of my files last thu/fri.. standardized all my paths... |
| 20:37.48 | absentia | been distracted, to say the least. |
| 20:37.55 | absentia | mg: no, not me. sorry. |
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| 20:41.18 | treke|home | absentia: What are you running right now? |
| 20:41.26 | absentia | cacko on 760 |
| 20:41.36 | absentia | I think sharp on the 700 ... |
| 20:41.44 | treke|home | cool. |
| 20:41.51 | absentia | c700 is for flashing and testing |
| 20:41.56 | absentia | 760 ix for coding, dev work, etc. |
| 20:42.11 | absentia | my zdebian is on sd, so i can work on how to configure it under the roms on the 700 |
| 20:42.11 | omin0us | treke|home |
| 20:42.13 | absentia | kill the 700 |
| 20:42.16 | absentia | and reflash... without worry |
| 20:42.21 | omin0us | what program do you need ran? |
| 20:42.21 | absentia | plop it back into the 760 and work. |
| 20:43.30 | treke|home | absentia: can you grab http://handhelds.org/~pb/bw_mem and run "bw_mem 10000000 rd" on the cacko image? |
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| 20:52.19 | MG_Tak | oooh, I think I have it workin |
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| 21:10.16 | chuckr | can I get some help on zaurus video? I'm mreally hopeless on this and need to get it working fairly quickly |
| 21:13.34 | chuckr | I have specific questions, like, I have opie-mediaplayer2 instsalled, but when I tap on it it tells me it can';t find opiepllayer2, but there isn't a package opieplauer2, where is this guy? |
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| 22:37.28 | donk | where is zaurus.com and the mailling list gone? |
| 22:37.52 | absentia | zaurus.com is not available now... rumours are that it could be back sometime (soon) ... |
| 22:38.10 | donk | wonderful........ |
| 22:38.19 | absentia | yup |
| 22:39.24 | Twiun | donk: stay up to date on here or by reading the forums at www.zaurususergroup.com |
| 22:39.41 | Twiun | as those aren't run by Sharp ;) |
| 22:40.08 | donk | okay, i was googl'n for help and every link was comin up dead |
| 22:40.38 | Twiun | donk: I believe that most tutorials/help documents from zaurus.com are mirrored on the zug website |
| 22:43.17 | donk | cool, i have two problems, syncing -and socket cf card |
| 22:43.50 | donk | looks like there's some good syncing info there |
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