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| 00:01.26 | frobnoid | Luke-Jr: that is unfortunate, but I can live with it for console emus (C64 & Atari ST are a different story) |
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| 00:23.31 | cyn | absentia: 'python in a nutshell' just arrived - now I can really start cranking |
| 00:24.26 | Luke-Jr | frobnoid: ? |
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| 00:30.46 | rev | yoo |
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| 00:32.38 | frobnoid | Luke-Jr: Yes? |
| 00:33.16 | treke | rev. |
| 00:33.33 | rev | treke my man |
| 00:33.40 | rev | from what does your nick derive? |
| 00:34.00 | rev | anyone want to buy an emate or newton? |
| 00:34.28 | gerg | The microsoft person I called to register for some certification testing mispelled my name. |
| 00:34.45 | gerg | So I have a couple certificates made out to Gerg Gilbert |
| 00:35.09 | rev | well, i mean treke |
| 00:35.14 | rev | but that's whacky too |
| 00:35.15 | gerg | no clue there |
| 00:35.23 | rev | i used to always get junk mail to AATON |
| 00:35.36 | rev | i had *one* mag subscr (microcomputer journal IIRC?) and it was neat to trace the junk mail from that |
| 00:35.46 | treke | hehe |
| 00:36.03 | treke | I keep meaning to switch everything over to either gerg or antigerg |
| 00:36.03 | rev | my gf used to put random middle initials to do that |
| 00:36.09 | rev | antigerg |
| 00:36.10 | treke | just a lot of inertia |
| 00:36.14 | rev | ph34r him! |
| 00:36.15 | rev | yeah |
| 00:36.18 | rev | i know what that's like |
| 00:36.50 | treke | maybe I'll just switch irssi to antigerg and have mutt use my antigerg.com email address |
| 00:39.53 | frobnoid | rev: Luke-Jr mentioned you had tried VisualBoyAdvance, could you give me some idea of what kind of speed you got? was it playable? |
| 00:40.04 | rev | no, nowhere near playable :/ |
| 00:40.14 | rev | maybe down the line it'll be improved |
| 00:45.07 | stigger | anyone having problems getting to zaurus.com |
| 00:45.12 | treke | Yes. It's down |
| 00:45.25 | stigger | cool not me then |
| 00:45.35 | rev | no, it's you |
| 00:45.41 | rev | but incidentally, you wrecked it for all of us |
| 00:45.47 | stigger | I wonder If its related to Spencer leaving yesterday |
| 00:45.49 | treke | Yeah. you suck. |
| 00:46.05 | stigger | thanks for the vote of thanks |
| 00:47.00 | rev | heh |
| 00:48.37 | Luke-Jr | rev: LOL |
| 00:49.00 | rev | i wonder why it goes so damned slow |
| 00:49.10 | rev | someone needs to write an emulator that just passes the code down |
| 00:49.17 | rev | rather than emulating an ARM cpu on top of an ARM cpu |
| 00:49.21 | rev | vmware > bochs on x86 man |
| 00:51.03 | frobnoid | a 200/400Mhz ARM should have no trouble running ROMs for a 16Mhz ARM... damn that software emulation |
| 00:52.04 | treke | I thought I heard the gba cpu was run in big endian mode. |
| 00:52.32 | Disconnect | it'd rule if you could switch little/big on the fly (similar to how x86 does fpu) |
| 00:53.02 | Disconnect | similar in that there are all sorts of locking and such wrapped around it |
| 00:53.18 | Disconnect | (and save/restore state, etc) |
| 01:09.31 | Luke-Jr | rev,frobnoid: IIRC, someone told me the GBA CPU was quite diff from XScale |
| 01:09.58 | Luke-Jr | Tho 400 MHz *should* be plenty to emu 16 |
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| 02:04.19 | Pendalar | sup quad |
| 02:15.21 | |QuaD| | hey pend :) |
| 02:15.22 | |QuaD| | hehe |
| 02:15.55 | Pendalar | at this rate we might as well move the whole group here =-x |
| 02:16.16 | |QuaD| | heh, |
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| 02:35.53 | rev | Luke-Jr: yes, the XScale is not the same CPU |
| 02:35.59 | rev | Luke-Jr: but it's the same command set |
| 02:36.11 | rev | no, you couldn't just run a GBA binary |
| 02:36.31 | rev | but virtualization would still be better than straight up emu |
| 02:37.41 | rev | and instructions that aren't supported would be caught and emulated |
| 02:37.42 | rev | tons faster |
| 02:37.54 | Luke-Jr | hmm |
| 02:37.58 | rev | http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2003-12/02/10.45.tv |
| 02:37.58 | rev | !!! |
| 02:38.00 | rev | more babylon5 |
| 02:38.02 | rev | HELL YEAH |
| 02:38.04 | Luke-Jr | ... |
| 02:38.07 | Luke-Jr | O.O! |
| 02:38.29 | Luke-Jr | KDE has cool feature I never noticed before |
| 02:38.37 | treke|home | it's easy to quit? |
| 02:38.43 | treke|home | and switch to a decent environment? |
| 02:38.44 | Luke-Jr | and I just accidently split #zaurus out from my main Xchat window... |
| 02:38.51 | Luke-Jr | treke: split Konqueror |
| 02:39.00 | rev | me too |
| 02:39.11 | Luke-Jr | How can I get X-Chat in one piece again? XD |
| 02:39.17 | rev | ep 3 was freaking MIND BLOWING |
| 02:39.19 | rev | Luke-Jr: ? |
| 02:39.22 | rev | Luke-Jr: for what? |
| 02:39.26 | treke|home | rev: Got a bunch of episodes downloaded, just need to get around to watching them |
| 02:39.31 | Luke-Jr | I have 2 XChat windows now :/ |
| 02:39.31 | rev | what feature is that? |
| 02:39.36 | Luke-Jr | rev: Oh... that |
| 02:39.37 | rev | treke|home: no shit man |
| 02:39.50 | Luke-Jr | I can have 2 Konqueror window w/ split view |
| 02:39.53 | rev | ahhh |
| 02:39.54 | rev | that's cool |
| 02:39.57 | Luke-Jr | open one dir in one |
| 02:40.00 | Luke-Jr | another in a 2nd |
| 02:40.01 | rev | even better |
| 02:40.01 | rev | ;D |
| 02:40.02 | Luke-Jr | etc |
| 02:40.03 | Luke-Jr | ion? |
| 02:40.31 | frobnoid | ion is nice, but I could never get used to it... |
| 02:40.42 | Luke-Jr | brb |
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| 02:41.17 | Luke-Jr | hr |
| 02:41.44 | frobnoid | ion is a wm whose main feature (as far as I can tell) is that you never need to place windows, they get placed for you |
| 02:42.13 | rev | yup |
| 02:42.20 | rev | you organize your whole workspace into panes |
| 02:42.32 | rev | Luke-Jr: http://modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/ |
| 02:48.23 | Luke-Jr | I don't think I'd like that =p |
| 02:48.42 | Luke-Jr | I'm probably not even going to use the split Konq windows since tabs end up working better |
| 02:57.43 | Disconnect | rev: ion was cute when matchbox didn't exist. and matchbox was cute until opie got going. but damn.. all I want in life is a CHOICE between maximized and minimized.. there is no need for my ssh client to always be maximized.. I could set it to half-size, stick it next to a gaim window and under a zradio window and be perfectly happy... |
| 02:58.12 | treke|home | ion lets you do this :) |
| 02:58.18 | Disconnect | only sorta. |
| 02:58.26 | treke|home | More than only sort of. |
| 02:58.26 | Disconnect | it does it with panes.. I want -windows-.. |
| 02:58.35 | treke|home | Ion can do that also :) |
| 02:59.07 | Disconnect | like, standard win32/x11/mac/atari/everyone -windows-..? with various ways of resizing, maximizing, minimizing, etc..? |
| 02:59.10 | treke|home | matchbox and opie dont really come into play much |
| 02:59.17 | treke|home | Disconnect: yes. |
| 02:59.18 | Disconnect | I thought the whole point was that it was panes. |
| 02:59.32 | treke|home | That is the biggest appeal to it. |
| 02:59.59 | Disconnect | and WTF DOES SHARP.COM keep coming up whenever I put a url in at the location bar?? fscking strange galeon stuff.. ugh.. |
| 02:59.59 | treke|home | I couldnt imagine using matchbox on a desktop. |
| 03:00.59 | Disconnect | um. from the intro: "frames that take up the whole screen and never overlap." .... |
| 03:01.07 | Disconnect | that makes it hard to .. um.. overlap windows.. ;) |
| 03:03.01 | Disconnect | that was my big problem with ion on my (640x480) libretto .. it was blindingly fast for most things, the keyboard commands weren't terribly annoying.. but when you got all the light-graphics stripped down apps going (it is, after all, a p70 32m ;) ..) it was basically just a bunch of VTs with screen running in them... |
| 03:04.46 | rev | matchbox looks neat |
| 03:04.52 | rev | but can't say i always want maximized |
| 03:05.54 | rev | do you use matchbox on your desktop, Disconnect? |
| 03:06.51 | Disconnect | I did on the libretto for a while. but it was also lacking in the choice.. I never did find a wm I liked much. |
| 03:07.09 | Disconnect | basically something with 'window' 'std-max' and 'fullscreen' (no frame/etc) modes.. |
| 03:07.21 | treke|home | http://treke.net/images/ion_overlap.jpg |
| 03:07.53 | rev | ? |
| 03:07.54 | rev | that's ion? |
| 03:07.55 | rev | not pwm? |
| 03:07.57 | treke|home | yes |
| 03:08.02 | rev | what's the deal with that man? |
| 03:08.20 | treke|home | rev: Just one of the features of ion |
| 03:08.55 | Disconnect | neat background, btw |
| 03:09.02 | treke|home | yeah. |
| 03:09.08 | treke|home | I dig digitalblasphemy |
| 03:09.12 | Disconnect | hrm. I'm presuming you can overlap (and dock into tabs?) the aterms as well..? |
| 03:09.43 | treke|home | yup |
| 03:10.31 | treke|home | rev: create a new Workspace named WFloatWS:workspacename |
| 03:10.39 | Disconnect | http://www.gotontheinter.net/zaurus/startup-anen.jpg .. looks really neat when it fades in during boot |
| 03:11.04 | Disconnect | (speaking of db) |
| 03:11.10 | rev | funky |
| 03:11.19 | rev | merging pwm and ion |
| 03:11.31 | treke|home | yup |
| 03:11.51 | treke|home | though I havent used pwm |
| 03:12.12 | rev | looks like your screenshot |
| 03:12.19 | rev | what i'd like ion to have |
| 03:12.25 | rev | is floating windows attached to other windows |
| 03:12.27 | rev | that pop out |
| 03:12.28 | rev | for instance |
| 03:12.42 | rev | let's say i've got a pretty normal pane setup- |
| 03:13.07 | rev | left pane taking 30% horizontal space, which is then split into three Xterms |
| 03:13.49 | rev | right side has two subpanes, one top xchat/term taking 25% vert space |
| 03:14.04 | rev | and the bottom 75% is for a browser or... the gimp! |
| 03:14.22 | rev | and the window in there is the gimp document window |
| 03:14.35 | rev | and when you are mousing in the xchat window, you see nothing |
| 03:14.58 | rev | but when the active window is the gimp window, the tools, layers, etc all pop out attached to the image window |
| 03:15.05 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 03:15.46 | treke|home | What I was thinking might be useful would be float frames |
| 03:16.09 | treke|home | where apps attached to that frame float, but other apps are paned. |
| 03:16.54 | rev | mmmhmm |
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| 03:31.14 | treke|home | rev: The other feature I'm just starting to get used to is the Maximize horizontal and maximize vertical |
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| 03:35.35 | rev | ah yeah |
| 04:20.41 | |QuaD| | hey guys, question, on the whole, if you were buying another pda, would u stick to linux, or move to ppc or palm? |
| 04:20.45 | |QuaD| | debating on the zaurus |
| 04:24.51 | _Psycho_ | i have a c700 right now i would get a c760, but im waiting for a cxxx device with blueooth / wifi ;) |
| 04:24.56 | _Psycho_ | no for ppc |
| 04:25.02 | _Psycho_ | maybe the sony palm but i doubt |
| 04:27.01 | treke|home | cd really cluttered ui |
| 04:27.08 | treke|home | and the device felt too small |
| 04:27.39 | _Psycho_ | treke i didnt saw it personnaly so i dont know |
| 04:28.09 | treke|home | Probably has it's high points |
| 04:28.23 | treke|home | just my impression from playing with it for a little while |
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| 04:33.24 | am | hi all |
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| 04:34.06 | am | can anyone tell me where on my zaurus it lists my ROM version? |
| 04:34.43 | am | i can find my kernel version and opie version but thats all i can see |
| 04:35.08 | |QuaD| | _Psycho_: so u are content with zaurus? how is ur experience with syncing to a PIM |
| 04:36.34 | chouimat | night |
| 04:50.27 | absentia | re |
| 04:51.19 | |QuaD| | re |
| 04:57.34 | |QuaD| | what bout anyone else, opinions about if u bought another pda, would it be a linux, ppc, or palm |
| 04:58.43 | cyn | c750 |
| 04:58.49 | cyn | hands down |
| 04:59.06 | cyn | I enjoyed my clie pdas but nothing can touch the keyboard on the c7x0s |
| 04:59.17 | cyn | at least, nothing I've ever seen |
| 04:59.27 | Disconnect | 760 screw the 750, not enough beef ;) |
| 04:59.38 | Disconnect | and I don't like that black frame |
| 05:00.58 | |QuaD| | heh |
| 05:01.05 | |QuaD| | considering the sl600 |
| 05:02.16 | Disconnect | but then again, my favorite toy of all time was my old libretto, so maybe I just dislike that form factor for some reason ;) (well.. my favorite pda was the palm iiic, but still) |
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| 05:05.27 | |QuaD| | heh....i am waiting for them to release sl6000 |
| 05:05.29 | |QuaD| | nice pda |
| 05:06.04 | treke|home | expensive pda. |
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| 05:07.43 | Disconnect | sl6000 is more expensive than the 760.. and AFAIK the only difference is the reflective screen (thats a big difference but its not a showstopper, even in bright direct sunlight) |
| 05:12.32 | |QuaD| | how much is the sl6000? |
| 05:13.14 | treke|home | |QuaD|: The price I saw was 900+ |
| 05:13.41 | |QuaD| | are you kidding? |
| 05:13.45 | treke|home | no |
| 05:13.46 | |QuaD| | where u see that? |
| 05:13.49 | Disconnect | yah IIRC it starts at 800 on up (was that the one that had optional wlan+bluetooth?) |
| 05:14.05 | treke|home | Disconnect: the wlan+bluetooth was either the 900 or higher |
| 05:14.09 | |QuaD| | i want wlan + bluetooth |
| 05:14.12 | treke|home | I think I saw numbers going as high as 1000 |
| 05:14.15 | |QuaD| | i figured like 600 |
| 05:14.24 | |QuaD| | i am going forthe ipaq then :) |
| 05:15.10 | |QuaD| | where u see these #'s? |
| 05:15.29 | Disconnect | yah wlan+bt was like $1k or $1150 or some such. |
| 05:15.58 | |QuaD| | y soo much??? |
| 05:17.48 | treke|home | because they think they can sell them at that price? |
| 05:18.12 | |QuaD| | u think they will actually sell for that price? |
| 05:18.20 | treke|home | they might |
| 05:18.24 | |QuaD| | equivalent ipaq is 400 |
| 05:18.37 | |QuaD| | minus the screen |
| 05:18.49 | treke|home | and minus whatever ruggedization they've done |
| 05:19.10 | Disconnect | minus the screen, minus the keyboard, minus the durability, flexibility, etc.. |
| 05:19.27 | weez|bbl | but isnt the sl6000 a step backwards? its so much bigger than the sl7xx series |
| 05:19.34 | |QuaD| | they have the keyboard |
| 05:20.39 | treke|home | weez|bbl: Bigger isnt necessarrily worse. |
| 05:20.50 | treke|home | part of the ize is probably from the more durable materials |
| 05:21.04 | weez|bbl | i couldnt imagine going back to a pda that didnt fit in my front pocket... |
| 05:21.26 | treke|home | They don't expect to sell it to you |
| 05:23.10 | weez|bbl | i am just unhappy that their newest model wasnt sl6000 features in a C7xx form factor... |
| 05:23.33 | Disconnect | they aren't bringing clamshell to the states. get over it :( |
| 05:23.59 | weez|bbl | oh, i am not worried abuot that, i want the japanese version anyway... |
| 05:24.39 | weez|bbl | but the latest thing in japan is the 860 and its identical hardware wise to the 7xx as far i can tell |
| 05:26.45 | |QuaD| | i am dissapointed about the expensive pricetag |
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| 05:36.18 | StarScream | just wondering if some kind soul out there can assist me: I have followed the instructions on this page http://zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpWiki&file=index&pagename=Generic%20%28USB%29 and I can ping my Zaurus but it wont allow me to sync with qtopia-desktop...qtopia fails to find the PDA |
| 05:36.39 | treke|home | Did you remember to get qtopia desktop from sharp and not trolltech? |
| 05:36.48 | kergoth | what device/rom? |
| 05:37.14 | StarScream | no i downloaded it from trolltech , i wasn't aware i needed to get it from sharp |
| 05:37.32 | treke|home | If you are using sharps rom images, you need the sharp qtopia desktop. |
| 05:37.34 | StarScream | its an sl5500 not sure what rom it is, how can i tell |
| 05:38.34 | StarScream | the trolltech one i downloaded worked syncing with my mac...i just assumed it would work under linux the same |
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| 05:53.14 | CdtDelta | tapjpa: Ooooh, that's what you meant |
| 05:53.58 | CdtDelta | Yeah, the zug site keeps crashing mozilla |
| 05:54.07 | |QuaD| | not for me |
| 05:54.23 | CdtDelta | |QuaD|: What ver? |
| 05:55.20 | CdtDelta | Figures..... |
| 05:55.38 | |QuaD| | 0.7 |
| 05:56.31 | CdtDelta | |QuaD|: What OS? |
| 05:57.38 | |QuaD| | mandrake |
| 05:58.18 | CdtDelta | Oh wait, you're running mozilla...I meant I was running Firebird |
| 05:58.41 | tapjpa | LOL |
| 05:58.54 | |QuaD| | i am running firebird |
| 05:58.56 | |QuaD| | hence .7 |
| 05:58.58 | tapjpa | see what kids todo you ;) |
| 05:59.19 | CdtDelta | tapjpa: Yeah, he's waking up every couple of hours at the moment |
| 05:59.34 | CdtDelta | |QuaD|: Hmm, maybe it's my RH + Firebird then |
| 05:59.38 | tapjpa | Boy that came acroos great, maybe I need some sleep |
| 06:00.13 | |QuaD| | i dled my own |
| 06:00.43 | CdtDelta | Your own what? |
| 06:08.22 | tapjpa | CdtDelta: Did I send you the class this month? |
| 06:09.03 | tapjpa | Have a good one |
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| 06:44.44 | Taim | yawn |
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| 07:10.57 | offroadgeek | allo |
| 07:12.24 | W8TVI | hey offroadgeek |
| 07:12.32 | offroadgeek | what's up? |
| 07:12.40 | W8TVI | have you seen the specs on the latest yopy? |
| 07:12.53 | offroadgeek | nope... is it nice? |
| 07:13.08 | W8TVI | its kinda like a 5500 |
| 07:13.17 | brokenchaos | heh, i love crashing xfree86 with a 40000+ pixel wide image... fun, fun fun. |
| 07:13.23 | W8TVI | but they way it should have been |
| 07:13.39 | W8TVI | - Fast Operation (206Mhz) and Big Memory (128MB RAM/32 MB ROM) |
| 07:13.40 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.55 | Taim | wow...people alive at this time? |
| 07:14.10 | W8TVI | just got back from the LUG meeting |
| 07:14.13 | brokenchaos | Caffeine and sugar. |
| 07:14.33 | Taim | oh...it's only 11:14 PST...duh... |
| 07:14.48 | W8TVI | Taim: its 2:14am EST |
| 07:14.53 | brokenchaos | Well, there's that too. |
| 07:15.13 | Taim | W8TVI: you EST? |
| 07:15.17 | W8TVI | yep |
| 07:15.45 | Taim | and you are just getting back from a LUG meeting? |
| 07:15.48 | W8TVI | yep |
| 07:15.50 | |QuaD| | offroadgeek: hey whats up |
| 07:15.52 | Taim | wow... |
| 07:16.04 | |QuaD| | from forum |
| 07:16.24 | offroadgeek | |QuaD|: just recovering from flu... you? |
| 07:16.24 | W8TVI | it ended about 9 pm and the core group went to eat, and we got out about 11:#0pm |
| 07:16.42 | W8TVI | then one of them and I kept talking till about 1am |
| 07:16.45 | Taim | ahh |
| 07:16.48 | W8TVI | offroadgeek: http://www.yopy.com/english/products/yp3700_specification.htm |
| 07:16.54 | |QuaD| | researching my zaurus, got bad news today |
| 07:17.29 | offroadgeek | W8TVI: I don't like the looks of that thing |
| 07:17.31 | |QuaD| | W8TVI: yopy has no built in wifi/bluetooth right? |
| 07:17.36 | W8TVI | no |
| 07:17.43 | W8TVI | its like a sl-5500 but better |
| 07:17.44 | offroadgeek | |QuaD|: what's that? |
| 07:17.51 | |QuaD| | whats what |
| 07:18.05 | offroadgeek | |QuaD|: bad news? |
| 07:18.09 | Taim | I don't care for the verticle clamshell design...that's what kept me interested in the 5x00 series |
| 07:18.34 | |QuaD| | oh, the price of sl-6000 |
| 07:18.35 | Taim | but it's definately another cool piece of hardware :) |
| 07:18.40 | W8TVI | I'd like to see one of those run opie |
| 07:18.44 | W8TVI | run oz |
| 07:18.46 | W8TVI | heh |
| 07:19.00 | W8TVI | I"m sure it could do it... |
| 07:19.07 | Taim | actually...hang sec... |
| 07:19.14 | W8TVI | as long as the 32mb or "ROM" is flash rom |
| 07:19.30 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.38 | W8TVI | ARM Linux (Linupy™), X window System |
| 07:19.47 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.47 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:19.48 | offroadgeek | gotta go to bed... still sick |
| 07:19.55 | W8TVI | RAM 128MB, ROM 32MB |
| 07:20.06 | Taim | later offroadgeek |
| 07:20.11 | Taim | check this site: http://qtopia-gpl.sourceforge.net/manual/index_5.html |
| 07:20.11 | offroadgeek | night all |
| 07:20.45 | Taim | I believe it is already or almost available |
| 07:21.02 | Taim | well... |
| 07:21.23 | |QuaD| | but not the price of the zaurus |
| 07:21.26 | Taim | qtopia anyway. Googling brings up plenty of discussion of opie on the y |
| 07:21.43 | Taim | |QuaD|: that's the price you pay for a fine piece of hardware :) |
| 07:21.59 | |QuaD| | hah |
| 07:21.59 | |QuaD| | yea |
| 07:22.01 | |QuaD| | i know |
| 07:22.05 | |QuaD| | u cab;t afford 800$ |
| 07:22.24 | Taim | |QuaD|: Think of it as a REALLY Tiny Laptop :) |
| 07:22.31 | |QuaD| | i can't afford that eithe |
| 07:22.32 | |QuaD| | r |
| 07:23.25 | W8TVI | Linux is like a wigwam ... no gates, no windows and apache inside :-) |
| 07:23.40 | Taim | true... |
| 07:24.46 | Taim | spoken like a true geek :) |
| 07:25.01 | Taim | only problem is that it's only a good saying for a geek :/ |
| 07:25.10 | W8TVI | "The Yopy is quite different from Zaurus and iPaq/OPIE in that it runs X11. That has the advantage that you can directly use any of the thousands of applications that has been written for X11, but you cannot directly use applications that rely on QT/Embedded." |
| 07:25.39 | treke|home | ugh |
| 07:25.40 | W8TVI | how can you "directly use" a x program on it with out recompiling |
| 07:25.59 | Taim | you prolly could, it just wouldn't look very pretty |
| 07:26.00 | W8TVI | its an arm CPU just like the zaurus |
| 07:26.02 | treke|home | W8TVI: You provide a compatible xlibs implementation. |
| 07:26.33 | treke|home | depending on X running is just a bad idea |
| 07:26.36 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 07:26.49 | treke|home | what really annoys me is he put that crap in opie cvs |
| 07:26.51 | W8TVI | it sould be just a oz port to run with the yopy's hardware |
| 07:27.17 | W8TVI | just make it support it with the right drivers |
| 07:27.24 | W8TVI | screw X11 |
| 07:27.45 | treke|home | just dont think opie should be dependent on it |
| 07:28.30 | Taim | I just wish there was better......standards?...dunno if that's the right term... |
| 07:28.37 | W8TVI | this guy makes it sound like you can just ron any X11 program on it with out having to compile it for arm |
| 07:28.45 | Taim | there ARE standards, but there is no real look/feel standards. |
| 07:29.25 | treke|home | W8TVI: No he doesnt, he makes it sound like you can just run any X11 app without porting it to qt/e |
| 07:29.34 | treke|home | W8TVI: He said nothing about x86 apps |
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| 07:30.55 | W8TVI | bill! |
| 07:31.01 | W8TVI | right? |
| 07:31.35 | W8TVI | I dont know who else would be using the nick "kendrick" in #zarurus |
| 07:31.44 | kendrick | hey |
| 07:31.53 | kendrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.09 | W8TVI | kendrick: google w8tvi location |
| 07:32.17 | ChipX86 | hey kendrick |
| 07:32.24 | kendrick | :^P |
| 07:32.26 | kendrick | hey chip |
| 07:32.33 | rebecca1 | grr I can't get my zaurus onto my wireless network |
| 07:33.06 | Taim | ? |
| 07:43.12 | weez|bbl | holy shit, has anyone seen this? http://www.mwave.com/mwave/Spec1/1300854.html |
| 07:43.33 | weez|bbl | would that work w/o special |
| 07:43.36 | weez|bbl | drivers |
| 07:44.11 | Taim | dunno... |
| 07:44.26 | kendrick | cool |
| 07:44.42 | Taim | depends on the wifi chipset I would guess... |
| 07:45.39 | weez|bbl | is the CF slot act like a bus? |
| 07:45.45 | Taim | yep |
| 07:45.48 | weez|bbl | so it could host multiple devices? |
| 07:45.52 | W8TVI | it IS a bus |
| 07:45.52 | Taim | should |
| 07:46.03 | W8TVI | almost looks like an MA701 |
| 07:46.26 | weez|bbl | but isnt it close to IDE pinout or something? |
| 07:46.35 | W8TVI | but the MA701 doesnt have memory |
| 07:46.35 | weez|bbl | i thot I remember something like that... |
| 07:47.07 | W8TVI | weez|bbl: for a memory card it works that way |
| 07:47.15 | W8TVI | its a PCMCIA slot |
| 07:47.28 | weez|bbl | ok |
| 07:48.08 | W8TVI | cf basicly is just is a small PCMCIA |
| 07:48.50 | weez|bbl | but if the mem card works like IDE, can the drivers in linux handle both of those at the same time? |
| 07:49.23 | W8TVI | I have heard about people having trouble getting it to work in the zaurus |
| 07:49.51 | weez|bbl | that particular card? |
| 07:49.57 | weez|bbl | or one like it. |
| 07:50.00 | W8TVI | if there is a driver for it, it would work, but there arn't any drivers for it under linux |
| 07:50.39 | W8TVI | if there is only drivers for windows, your SOL |
| 07:50.58 | weez|bbl | the thing i was thinking is it prolly needs a combined driver. |
| 07:51.08 | W8TVI | it'd be an odd driver |
| 07:51.18 | weez|bbl | if it was just 2 different devices on a single bus the existing drivers would work |
| 07:51.32 | W8TVI | I've heard about some one getting the wireless to work but couldnt get the memory to work |
| 07:51.34 | weez|bbl | but i guess the memory standard kinda screws that up |
| 07:51.38 | Taim | W8TVI: are you talking about the wireless portiton or the card as a whole? |
| 07:52.05 | W8TVI | Taim: I think some one was able to get it to work as just a wireless card |
| 07:52.34 | weez|bbl | does the CF interface basically operate in two modes then? |
| 07:52.41 | W8TVI | I dont know |
| 07:52.46 | weez|bbl | hmm |
| 07:52.55 | weez|bbl | I guess I could just peruse the source... |
| 07:53.00 | W8TVI | weez|bbl: it works like a pcmcia slot |
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| 07:53.25 | W8TVI | under linuxm you'd tell it to use this driver or that driver |
| 07:54.16 | W8TVI | cool |
| 07:54.18 | treke|home | No drivers for the sandisk, if that's what you are referring to |
| 07:54.38 | weez|bbl | funky reverse engineering that card notwithstanding it doesnt seem like it would be too horrible to combine 2 working drivers... |
| 07:54.40 | W8TVI | there are windows drivers for my ambicom wl1100C card |
| 07:55.09 | weez|bbl | not that i have any time for anything like that.. |
| 07:56.18 | treke|home | It might be able to do it now, though I can see how it could be a pain to implent a single slot mapping two drivers |
| 07:57.00 | W8TVI | you would have to make a driver |
| 07:57.26 | treke|home | Thank you captain obvious. |
| 07:58.04 | W8TVI | thats me! call me Captain Obvious |
| 07:58.35 | weez|bbl | youd have to keep track of state, and possibly queue requests or something i guess |
| 07:58.38 | brokenchaos | Okay, Captian Obvious. |
| 07:59.17 | weez|bbl | i just dont understand why it doesnt work like a PCI bus where you could have multiple devices attached. then we would be good to go... ahh well |
| 08:00.23 | treke|home | pcmcia is tied into the isa code in linux |
| 08:01.32 | weez|bbl | hmm |
| 08:01.45 | weez|bbl | i guess it is a pretty old standard.. |
| 08:02.03 | W8TVI | Single slot solution - can be used as memory card or Wi-Fi card to store and move files |
| 08:02.12 | W8TVI | that OR makes me wonder |
| 08:02.31 | weez|bbl | W8TVI: good point. i didnt notice that. |
| 08:02.42 | W8TVI | http://www.sandisk.com/consumer/connectplus_wifi.asp |
| 08:03.14 | W8TVI | PCMCIA is a 16bit bus, and cardbus is a 32bit bus |
| 08:04.34 | W8TVI | also, a cardbus card kinda looks like a PCI slot to the computer |
| 08:04.36 | treke|home | Yup. |
| 08:04.42 | weez|bbl | would be pretty useless if you couldnt save stuff to the flash memory when you were downloading from the web |
| 08:04.50 | W8TVI | the the pcmcia looks like a isa |
| 08:04.54 | W8TVI | lol |
| 08:05.01 | treke|home | I always knew that, was surprised to find out that in linux it's partially implemented over isa |
| 08:05.13 | treke|home | Disabled ISA support on my laptop, pcmcia refused to work |
| 08:05.41 | W8TVI | its werid, the driver file name for my cf wireless card is: wl1100b-pc-pci_v350.exe |
| 08:05.48 | treke|home | I had thought they were more of conceptual similarities |
| 08:06.59 | weez|bbl | W8TVI: for what platform? |
| 08:07.21 | W8TVI | FM radio CF card?! |
| 08:07.21 | W8TVI | cool |
| 08:07.28 | W8TVI | dont know |
| 08:07.42 | W8TVI | looking on the ambicom website |
| 08:09.10 | W8TVI | saw something about a CF fm radio card |
| 08:10.29 | weez|bbl | W8TVI: i guess it doesnt have a headphone jack in it? but pipes a digital signal into the PDA? |
| 08:11.04 | W8TVI | http://www.ambicom.com/products/multimed/fm-cf.html |
| 08:12.07 | W8TVI | Small and Convenient Design |
| 08:12.12 | W8TVI | Designed in the ComactFlash interface, you can carry the FM Radio Card along with your PDA device wherever you go. Now you don't have to stop listening when you leave your car. |
| 08:12.27 | W8TVI | shit, I'd just get a $10 walkman and listen to that |
| 08:12.46 | W8TVI | a cf fm radio card is a geek toy! |
| 08:14.37 | treke|home | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1485 |
| 08:16.36 | W8TVI | treke|home: o_O |
| 08:16.57 | W8TVI | what does that picture have to do with iptables? |
| 08:17.08 | treke|home | exactly |
| 08:17.10 | rebecca1 | ok guys maybe you all can help me: my zaurus worked on my wireless network before I moved and changed providers |
| 08:17.27 | rebecca1 | now I can't get it to work and I think perhaps I am forgetting something... |
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| 08:27.21 | ljp | rebecca1: you using dhcp? |
| 08:27.35 | rebecca1 | yes |
| 08:28.12 | rebecca1 | I have tried specifying the info and not specifying |
| 08:28.14 | rebecca1 | neither works |
| 08:28.55 | ljp | which rom/device? |
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| 08:30.53 | rebecca1 | how can i check that? |
| 08:30.55 | omin0us | anyone here use FreeBSD and know how to network the Z over USB with it? |
| 08:31.00 | rebecca1 | I think it's the original |
| 08:31.06 | ljp | 5500? |
| 08:31.06 | rebecca1 | 5500 with the original stuff |
| 08:31.09 | ljp | ahh |
| 08:31.14 | ljp | hmm |
| 08:31.16 | rebecca1 | I lost it when I moved and just recently found it |
| 08:31.20 | omin0us | it sees it when i put it in the cradle |
| 08:31.23 | rebecca1 | then it took a while to find the power cord lol |
| 08:31.30 | rebecca1 | and I can't find my docking station |
| 08:32.26 | ljp | omin: not sure about freebsd |
| 08:32.42 | omin0us | hmm |
| 08:34.23 | ljp | hmmm |
| 08:36.14 | rebecca1 | what are the things you have to set up |
| 08:36.36 | rebecca1 | I also am using MAC filtering on my wireless router |
| 08:36.47 | rebecca1 | and I added the mac address of my CF card |
| 08:36.50 | rebecca1 | to that |
| 08:39.16 | rebecca1 | so I can't figure out why I can't get it online |
| 08:42.02 | ljp | wep key alright? |
| 08:42.32 | ljp | what is the dhcp server? |
| 08:43.29 | rebecca1 | WEP is disabled |
| 08:43.48 | rebecca1 | where do I look for the dhcp server |
| 08:44.30 | brokenchaos | Hm... Is it connecting to the network that the problem is, or is it in actually accessing the internet? |
| 08:44.45 | rebecca1 | I think it's in accessing the internet |
| 08:44.56 | rebecca1 | because the light on the CF card is steady |
| 08:44.56 | ljp | do you have embeddedkonsole installed? |
| 08:45.08 | rebecca1 | vs flashing when it can't access the net work |
| 08:45.13 | rebecca1 | I dont know |
| 08:45.19 | rebecca1 | i just have the original stuff on here |
| 08:45.20 | brokenchaos | Does it use a proxy server, like a Microsoft ISA one (those ones seem to only accept Windows for clients). |
| 08:45.22 | rebecca1 | that it came with |
| 08:45.32 | rebecca1 | no I dont think so |
| 08:45.52 | ljp | ok, in the network setting app, is there an ip address? |
| 08:46.00 | rebecca1 | yes |
| 08:46.03 | rebecca1 | I set one |
| 08:46.14 | rebecca1 | because it didn't work when one wasn't set |
| 08:46.20 | brokenchaos | Don't set one if you use DHCP. |
| 08:46.22 | rebecca1 | of course it doesn't work WITH one set either |
| 08:46.25 | rebecca1 | ok |
| 08:46.28 | brokenchaos | It normally won't work. |
| 08:47.02 | brokenchaos | Well, if it doesn't work either way... Hmmm... Do you know what ROM version it is using? |
| 08:47.26 | rebecca1 | the original, I believe |
| 08:47.28 | rebecca1 | let me check |
| 08:47.47 | brokenchaos | :x I don't have a 5500, so what is the default? (I've got a 5600) |
| 08:47.52 | rebecca1 | (see, the battery went dead, and then i lost it when i moved, and so it stayed dead for long enough to erace all my stuff) |
| 08:47.54 | brokenchaos | Or anyone know? |
| 08:48.33 | brokenchaos | Dunno if that'll make a difference or not, but it might... |
| 08:48.38 | ljp | default on 5500 is I think 2.28. you can check with the sysinfo app |
| 08:48.53 | rebecca1 | ok trying the DHCP without any IP info in there |
| 08:48.57 | rebecca1 | ok am checking it |
| 08:50.15 | brokenchaos | I don't know about the 2.x ROMs, but isn't there like a checkbox or somehting that says "Automatically obtain IP Address from Network" or something like that? |
| 08:50.57 | rebecca1 | 2.37 ROM |
| 08:51.19 | rebecca1 | I checked the automatically obtain box |
| 08:51.27 | rebecca1 | and now seeing if it will let me open a web page |
| 08:51.44 | brokenchaos | Ok. Hmm... I can't think of much else... Maybe I'm just too tired or something... |
| 08:52.45 | rebecca1 | ok this is annoying... |
| 08:52.56 | rebecca1 | (and I am getting tired as well) |
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| 09:22.26 | TCMAN | hi |
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| 11:31.53 | kendrick | ljp |
| 11:36.09 | ljp_ | hey |
| 11:36.31 | ljp_ | how goes it? |
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| 12:28.13 | kendrick | eep, sorry :) |
| 12:30.06 | Twiun | hiya kendrick |
| 12:30.18 | kendrick | hey |
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| 14:05.46 | chouimat | morning |
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| 14:13.27 | absentia | morn' |
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| 14:16.50 | Twiun | howdy absentia |
| 14:18.29 | absentia | what's up ? |
| 14:21.13 | Twiun | http://adorphuye.com/images/fbAWT.03dec03.png |
| 14:21.17 | Twiun | Swing on fbAWT :) |
| 14:21.29 | Twiun | still buggy, but displaying |
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| 14:26.25 | absentia | :->< |
| 14:26.26 | absentia | :-> |
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| 14:26.38 | Twiun | scawt? what's that? |
| 14:26.40 | absentia | I even found a picture of my font maker that I wrote in SCAWT to make fonts for SCAWT |
| 14:26.47 | absentia | Scott's Combined Additional Widgets Toolkit |
| 14:27.29 | mrwoody_z | does anyoone here have a swap partition on an sd card |
| 14:27.35 | absentia | my "widgets" were based on 3d, with light angels, etc... and had an VERY efficient polygod identification scheme that was accurate to the pixel, and was just as fast for 100,000 objects as it was for 10 |
| 14:27.40 | absentia | mr: no |
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| 14:28.02 | mrwoody_z | how bad is that? |
| 14:28.52 | Twiun | absentia: ahhh... nothing to do with Java's Abstract Windowing Toolkit then ;) |
| 14:29.13 | absentia | yes |
| 14:29.18 | absentia | it used the primitives. |
| 14:29.44 | absentia | it was neat being able to print letters in any rotation by 90 degree, or any fraction.. any pixel size, etc. |
| 14:29.50 | absentia | this was ... 96? 97? |
| 14:30.12 | absentia | I vaguely remember porting the code to java 1.x |
| 14:30.27 | absentia | around xmas time. |
| 14:35.38 | Twiun | never carried on with it? |
| 14:36.53 | absentia | naw... :-< |
| 14:37.20 | absentia | altough java has taken off since then... I only programmed it from '95 through '98 or so. |
| 14:37.26 | absentia | now I'm working on pyqt |
| 14:37.51 | absentia | I wonder if some of my java code... is online... at archive.org |
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| 14:47.39 | absentia | can people get to www.zaurus.com/dev/board ? |
| 14:51.46 | Twiun | nope, down since yesterday |
| 14:52.01 | absentia | hope it's not permanent |
| 14:52.09 | Twiun | likewise |
| 14:52.17 | absentia | ah |
| 14:52.20 | absentia | posts on zaurususergroup |
| 14:57.34 | Twiun | ouch |
| 14:57.47 | Twiun | that sounds pretty dire |
| 14:58.10 | Twiun | might want to funnel that into something else |
| 14:58.44 | absentia | doesn't look good |
| 14:58.51 | absentia | so, without notice... we lost all access to all the info on the dev board |
| 14:59.07 | absentia | you'd think at least spencer would have said: hey, someone spider this site in a hurry! |
| 14:59.09 | absentia | due |
| 14:59.10 | absentia | duh |
| 14:59.46 | Twiun | nah, wouldn't be a good idea for someone leaving a workplace |
| 15:00.00 | Twiun | I can understand his lack of forewarning |
| 15:00.00 | absentia | explain why? |
| 15:00.05 | absentia | he told offroad geek |
| 15:00.15 | absentia | offroad geek knew he was lokoing for work and the site would probably go down after he left |
| 15:00.17 | Twiun | personally, and with no dates |
| 15:00.20 | absentia | did org spider the site? |
| 15:00.27 | absentia | so! |
| 15:00.37 | absentia | then it was even more up to org to spider the site. |
| 15:00.46 | Twiun | right. |
| 15:00.56 | absentia | this is my fear about killefiz.de |
| 15:01.04 | absentia | but I guess there's zsi2 |
| 15:01.07 | absentia | so it doesn't matter. |
| 15:01.16 | Twiun | Spencer didn't and shouldn't publicly announce such things, dumping your old company in the shit has a habit of chasing you when you're looking for work |
| 15:04.57 | absentia | that's not what I'm saying.. |
| 15:05.01 | absentia | what I'm saying is... |
| 15:06.04 | absentia | "hey, ofroadgeek, things aren't loking good at sharp.. my department was shrunk from 20 to 3... I'm looking elsewhere for work. You know, the forum was just a pet project of mine and will probably disappear immediately or soon after I leave, if I do.... there's a lot of good information on there and it would be a shame if it were not accessible or lost..." |
| 15:06.15 | absentia | all I did was add the last part... to what was said, apparently. |
| 15:06.34 | absentia | said, as you said, personally to org.. etc. |
| 15:07.12 | Wintre | URL? |
| 15:13.09 | Twiun | Wintre: http://www.zaurususergroup.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=463 |
| 15:13.33 | Twiun | Wintre: hope TT have a better relationship with Sharp than the developer base has |
| 15:17.04 | Wintre | urgh |
| 15:17.13 | Wintre | I have no idea; I don't deal with them, thankfully |
| 15:17.17 | absentia | tt? |
| 15:17.25 | Wintre | Trolltech |
| 15:17.28 | chouimat | Twiun can't be worse imho |
| 15:18.49 | absentia | ah |
| 15:24.09 | offroadgeek | spencer didn't actually tell me when he was leaving... |
| 15:24.52 | absentia | ah, there you are. |
| 15:24.57 | absentia | ya, I know the when wasn't there. |
| 15:25.07 | absentia | I juts hope... the info isn't lost. |
| 15:25.20 | absentia | but what can you do when the manufacturer sh!ts down your throat, ya know ? |
| 15:25.22 | offroadgeek | I did ask him if I could archive the forums, and the community downloads... |
| 15:25.42 | offroadgeek | he didn't give me an answer |
| 15:25.57 | absentia | it was probably one of those stupid company rights things |
| 15:26.05 | offroadgeek | my fear is that the devnet forums and community site are technically property of Sharp, and that might be reason for them to not let it go |
| 15:26.07 | absentia | either he was just hosting the info and sharp didn't care |
| 15:26.19 | absentia | or sharp claimed ownership of everything there and it wasn't his to "give" away. |
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| 15:26.35 | offroadgeek | no, he wasn't hosting it... he just ran the site |
| 15:26.44 | absentia | although it was public in a sense of presentation... so, the info could be archived, but probably not "merged" into other forums, etc. |
| 15:26.45 | offroadgeek | I didn't say this in my post, but he told me that... |
| 15:26.59 | absentia | right, but it had the sharp name. |
| 15:27.07 | absentia | company's are a little anal 'bout things like that. |
| 15:27.08 | offroadgeek | sharp management asked him to not spend any of his time on the devnet site... so he was doing it on his own time |
| 15:27.12 | absentia | look at apple with the netflix thing. |
| 15:27.17 | absentia | look at vivendi with mp3.com |
| 15:27.30 | offroadgeek | agreed |
| 15:27.39 | absentia | ok, if it was his own time... then it was probably not an issue to archive the information. |
| 15:27.48 | Luke-Jr | hmm |
| 15:27.58 | absentia | it's why I think a wiki site would be better. |
| 15:28.04 | offroadgeek | true... but he was doing that against sharp usa's wishes... and it's still their property |
| 15:28.12 | absentia | (although the wiki page that I edited at zauruusergroup got reverted, so I'm avoiding it) |
| 15:28.43 | absentia | my bet is that it's down for the count |
| 15:28.49 | offroadgeek | absentia: wiki page got reverted... only if someone actually reverted it... that's the main challenge with a wiki |
| 15:28.55 | absentia | and unless someone contacts him or sharp, it will probably be lost forever... |
| 15:29.14 | absentia | doesn't matter. |
| 15:29.22 | absentia | I bought my own site... with 100GB of space |
| 15:29.30 | offroadgeek | I've sent spencer an email at his yahoo account, and I will be calling Sharp (in Jersey) to see if I can talk to his old manager |
| 15:29.30 | absentia | so now I'm archiving everything I can get my hands on, myself. |
| 15:29.55 | absentia | ok, let me know if I can do anything.... including hosting/mirroring, etc. |
| 15:30.00 | offroadgeek | absentia: thanks for the support... that's the point of the ZUG... to compile all Zaurus related info there |
| 15:30.18 | MG_Tak | sharp's in Jersey? |
| 15:30.21 | absentia | I thought you said that you were disk space limited? |
| 15:30.25 | Twiun | This is going to cramp TKC's style with their ROM, weren't they using sharp's server as hosting? |
| 15:30.34 | Twiun | MG_Tak: not the European one :) |
| 15:30.40 | offroadgeek | not anymore... I moved it to a dedicated server with a crap load of space and bandwidth |
| 15:30.40 | absentia | I noticed that cihost changed their unix dedicated celeron from 40GB disk to 80GB... |
| 15:30.48 | MG_Tak | Twiun: That's surprising.. ;P |
| 15:30.49 | absentia | after I asked for an additional 60GB on top of 40.... |
| 15:30.50 | absentia | heheh |
| 15:30.50 | offroadgeek | MG_Tak: sharp usa is in jersey |
| 15:30.51 | Luke-Jr | offroadgeek: and CPU? |
| 15:31.16 | offroadgeek | fast... don't remember exactly what it is at the moment... |
| 15:31.19 | absentia | ya, I have 1.8GHz celeron, 256mb ram, 100Gb disk, and 1000G a month xfer.. I get 1.5M / sec xfer! |
| 15:31.24 | absentia | $79/mo |
| 15:31.29 | Luke-Jr | offroadgeek: web-based crosscompiler? =D |
| 15:31.32 | absentia | I bought a year upfront. |
| 15:31.43 | absentia | luke: I was gonna do one that would generate rom builds for you. |
| 15:31.48 | absentia | but that's probably a ways off. |
| 15:31.54 | Luke-Jr | absentia: How do you fit the OS in 100 MB? |
| 15:32.06 | absentia | scottyelich [82]> du -s -k zaurus 1816880 zaurus |
| 15:32.10 | absentia | 100GB |
| 15:32.11 | absentia | sorry. |
| 15:32.23 | offroadgeek | I also have a second server at the colo where we backup the site and mysql db nightly... it's also rsync'd daily for failsafe |
| 15:32.32 | absentia | very nice. |
| 15:32.40 | absentia | which wiki do you use? |
| 15:32.43 | Luke-Jr | absentia: Actually, you said 100GB, but I misread it XD |
| 15:32.45 | absentia | I have my own play/test moin up... |
| 15:32.47 | offroadgeek | phpwiki... |
| 15:32.52 | absentia | ah. |
| 15:32.54 | absentia | that's wright |
| 15:33.01 | offroadgeek | it's not great, but it works well with post nuke |
| 15:33.24 | absentia | right.. I tried to move my page from extern to zaurususergroup... but the link to it got reverted and my page wasn't allowing for within-page links... so I gate up on phpwiki . |
| 15:33.37 | absentia | rght |
| 15:33.45 | Luke-Jr | o.o |
| 15:34.06 | absentia | again, with zug... I see the forums (which are, at least to me, extremely difficult to understand andnavigate) ... but is there action anywhere else? for the 7x0 series? |
| 15:34.17 | absentia | there also seems to be almost no files up for dl ? |
| 15:34.29 | absentia | are people just not uploading things? or are you looking for only specific things? |
| 15:36.05 | offroadgeek | I don't think the forums are that bad... taim and I put some time into making them friendly... |
| 15:36.14 | offroadgeek | if you have any suggestions to make them better, please let me know |
| 15:36.23 | absentia | well, I cilck on general discussion |
| 15:36.24 | offroadgeek | the downloads are is pretty sparce... |
| 15:36.31 | absentia | then I get security and c7x0 ... |
| 15:36.48 | absentia | when I go back, I just get sec and c7x0... then I go to the top and scroll down, and I see qt.... etc. |
| 15:36.58 | absentia | it seems like the front page has like 4 "subsections" all displayed. |
| 15:37.02 | absentia | so it confuse me. |
| 15:37.20 | offroadgeek | you're thinking of the devnet site... the zug doesn't have a securty and c7x0 forums like that... |
| 15:37.30 | absentia | when I click on one subsection -- and then I end up reaching another subsection intsead. |
| 15:37.31 | offroadgeek | you should really re-visit the zug site... |
| 15:37.37 | absentia | hold |
| 15:38.20 | absentia | ah, you'r right... this one has |
| 15:38.27 | absentia | general discussion, software, etc. |
| 15:38.42 | absentia | it was /dev/board that was horribly confusing. |
| 15:38.49 | absentia | I was just starting to get it, and now it's gone. :-> |
| 15:38.52 | offroadgeek | yeah... we took a look at all the discussion boards out there for the Z and tried to come up with a user friendly format |
| 15:39.06 | offroadgeek | regarding our downloads area... it is pretty sparce... |
| 15:39.18 | offroadgeek | but I wasn't trying to duplicate the zsi.... |
| 15:39.30 | absentia | the only thing I don't like about the forums is that they appear to be date oriented.. I often don't always get the chance to read all the posts I want to, and I ahve to log out from work or switch browsers.. whe nI sign in again, I don't have any new messages (or the old ones that I didn't read before) are marked as read. |
| 15:39.36 | absentia | ah |
| 15:40.18 | offroadgeek | and knowing the community site would eventually would go down, I emailed the owner of the zsi and zaurusoft.com, asking if we could partner up for a great zaurus software site |
| 15:40.21 | absentia | so how ya feelin'? |
| 15:40.22 | absentia | over the flu ? |
| 15:40.39 | offroadgeek | I figured that I could provide the space/bandwidth, and they could provide the front ent |
| 15:40.43 | absentia | I never did understand the community.zaurus.com |
| 15:40.46 | offroadgeek | I'm feeling a bit better, thansk, |
| 15:40.48 | absentia | is that also docs.zaurus.com ? |
| 15:40.55 | absentia | 'cauase that one had a feed. |
| 15:41.00 | absentia | (I mirrored it) |
| 15:41.37 | absentia | I think it was the only place where there was buzzwordbingo |
| 15:41.45 | offroadgeek | but neither of them wanted to partner up... the zsi person didn't want to be responsible for hosing the files |
| 15:41.56 | offroadgeek | hosting that is |
| 15:42.15 | offroadgeek | brb - I need to take my dog for a walk |
| 15:42.19 | absentia | ya, his site is only a erferral |
| 15:42.24 | absentia | hence, a lot of the referrals are now dead... |
| 15:42.27 | absentia | lost zaurus resources |
| 15:42.30 | absentia | k |
| 15:58.51 | offroadgeek | back |
| 15:58.55 | offroadgeek | that sucked |
| 15:59.11 | offroadgeek | it' |
| 15:59.27 | offroadgeek | it's cold and wet outside... and I had to walk in it... blah |
| 15:59.36 | absentia | blah |
| 15:59.41 | absentia | ya, it was nice a week ago or so |
| 15:59.46 | absentia | now it's a damn deep freeze |
| 16:00.06 | offroadgeek | yeah... now I remember why my momma told me to stay in bed and rest up! |
| 16:01.22 | absentia | heheh |
| 16:02.17 | offroadgeek | so the problem I have with the zsi is that it's just a referral site... |
| 16:02.23 | offroadgeek | then we just get dead links |
| 16:02.41 | offroadgeek | I think it would be great if we could just host all the files, and have the owners update them |
| 16:15.09 | absentia | off: I agree, 100% |
| 16:15.33 | absentia | I could write a script that would mirror/crawl zsi and "obtain" the files... for source and ipk... and mirror them. etc. |
| 16:16.10 | Luke-Jr | And while ur at it, categorize them by "pre-Cxxx", "both", and "only-Cxxx" |
| 16:16.29 | absentia | I don't think that's a useful split... |
| 16:16.38 | absentia | I think text/icons/etc for "xxx compat" is better. |
| 16:16.42 | Luke-Jr | and for the pre/only, "won't work on other" and "won't work *well* on other" |
| 16:16.52 | Luke-Jr | perhaps |
| 16:16.59 | Luke-Jr | I mean internally tho =p |
| 16:17.09 | absentia | well |
| 16:17.11 | Luke-Jr | display can be any way |
| 16:17.11 | absentia | I don't tryr all files |
| 16:17.15 | absentia | so it would have to be done and test by users |
| 16:17.20 | Luke-Jr | let owners categorize =p |
| 16:17.24 | absentia | either via a wiki plugin or some other way. |
| 16:17.25 | Luke-Jr | that too |
| 16:17.53 | Luke-Jr | For example, GNUboy works w/ Cxxx, but not very well |
| 16:28.17 | absentia | Although it's possible to run both qmail and your existing MTA, which is probably Sendmail, simultaneously, I don't recommend it unless you know what you're doing. And, frankly, if you're reading this, you probably don't know what you're doing. :-) |
| 16:28.19 | absentia | qmail docs... |
| 16:28.20 | absentia | heheh |
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| 16:30.24 | Luke-Jr | LOL |
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| 17:33.54 | Taim | yawn...another day...another dollar |
| 17:34.34 | fliplap | <=- makin no dollars today |
| 17:34.39 | Pendalar | not necessarily, have you paid MS, RIAA, and SCO today? |
| 17:34.39 | Disconnect | only a dollar? where are you working?? |
| 17:34.50 | fliplap | today is my day off |
| 17:34.53 | absentia | heheh. |
| 17:34.53 | offroadgeek | barf... another day, another barf bag |
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| 17:35.10 | fliplap | i'm getting a haircut and i'm going car shopping |
| 17:35.47 | offroadgeek | what kind of car are you looking at? |
| 17:36.34 | fliplap | i think i've already found the one |
| 17:36.40 | offroadgeek | cool |
| 17:36.51 | offroadgeek | does anyone have any good screenshots of OZ 3.3.5? |
| 17:36.58 | fliplap | its a yellow 98 BMW M3 |
| 17:37.02 | treke | offroadgeek: opie.handhelds.org? :) |
| 17:38.00 | offroadgeek | ah thansk... forgot about that site :) |
| 17:39.16 | absentia | asking what ? |
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| 17:45.16 | offroadgeek | nm |
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| 18:06.49 | chouimat | re |
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| 18:34.16 | fluxx | Hi all' I tried to scan for AP's using 'wlanctl-ng dot11req_scan ...' but I got resultcode=not_supported. I'm using sharp rom 3.13 on a sl5500. Do I need to update drivers or is there something else I can do to get it to work? |
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| 18:43.28 | Luke-Jr | treke: ping |
| 18:43.44 | treke | yes? |
| 18:43.49 | Luke-Jr | treke: Apparently full details are not going to be released (yet?), but there will be a confirmation the exploit did happen soon. |
| 18:45.26 | absentia | re |
| 18:45.42 | absentia | which exploit ? |
| 18:48.11 | Luke-Jr | absentia: kernel exploit triggered remotely via rsync |
| 18:49.17 | absentia | very nice |
| 18:49.21 | absentia | :-) |
| 18:50.22 | Luke-Jr | ... |
| 18:53.53 | MG_Tak | People have too much time on their hands. |
| 19:01.45 | absentia | right... this is one that microsoft would label as minor... since not many people are running rsync.... |
| 19:01.49 | absentia | just love that logic. |
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| 19:17.30 | Luke-Jr | absentia: I'm sure rsync probably isn't the only thing that can be used to trigger it. |
| 19:17.38 | Luke-Jr | absentia: And there's alot of people running rsync |
| 19:17.46 | absentia | you miss my point? |
| 19:18.22 | Luke-Jr | maybe? |
| 19:31.16 | Luke-Jr | hehe |
| 19:32.28 | Luke-Jr | y |
| 19:53.42 | fliplap | http://lists.netsys.com/pipermail/full-disclosure/2003-December/014440.html |
| 19:53.51 | fliplap | rsync.gentoo.org rotation server compromised |
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| 20:22.22 | absentia | heheh, I just put up some pics of len the other day. |
| 20:22.25 | absentia | terminus .... |
| 20:26.20 | absentia | http://lwn.net/Articles/61229/ |
| 20:26.23 | absentia | shorter url... |
| 20:26.28 | absentia | it's latest story on slashdot |
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| 20:59.56 | plop0 | hey |
| 20:59.59 | plop0 | hello all |
| 21:00.07 | plop0 | is there anybody here ? |
| 21:00.55 | offroadgeek | hello |
| 21:02.21 | W8TVI | plop0: nope |
| 21:05.03 | plop0 | I saw |
| 21:05.45 | plop0 | I'm just searching how to use my wcf12 wireless card (linksys facture) |
| 21:06.03 | plop0 | I can read that I need an orinoco_cs driver |
| 21:06.50 | plop0 | actually I have cacko rom installed, but I don't have this driver. |
| 21:07.00 | plop0 | Where can I find it please ? |
| 21:08.49 | plop0 | mmm :) |
| 21:10.58 | plop0 | MG_Tak is very very strong |
| 21:11.10 | plop0 | ckomçaqu'ondit ? |
| 21:11.45 | MG_Tak | plus ou moin, ouais |
| 21:12.22 | plop0 | merchi |
| 21:12.38 | MG_Tak | sauf que ca veut dire fort physiquement |
| 21:12.47 | MG_Tak | donc ca fait un peu bete, mais bon |
| 21:13.01 | plop0 | vi c ce que je me disais :) |
| 21:13.03 | plop0 | mais bon |
| 21:13.09 | plop0 | chui la incognito c pas grave |
| 21:13.13 | plop0 | chui blasé en + |
| 21:14.14 | plop0 | \ /clear hop |
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| 21:57.40 | plop0 | is there any one with a sl-c760 sharp pda here ? |
| 21:58.10 | absentia | I have one |
| 21:58.14 | absentia | going home now, back in 32 minutes |
| 21:59.20 | plop0 | :) |
| 21:59.21 | plop0 | ok |
| 22:03.37 | Luke-Jr | treke: ping |
| 22:03.45 | treke | ping |
| 22:04.06 | Luke-Jr | treke: http://savannah.gnu.org/statement.html |
| 22:04.09 | Luke-Jr | treke: they got GNU too |
| 22:04.12 | treke | cool |
| 22:04.22 | gerrynjr | fun shiznit |
| 22:04.26 | gerrynjr | the sky is falling! |
| 22:04.47 | gerrynjr | just shows that _all_ software is flawed :-D |
| 22:05.40 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 22:05.43 | Luke-Jr | this is daily for M$ |
| 22:05.50 | Luke-Jr | first time in how long for Linux? |
| 22:05.53 | gerrynjr | what do you mean no? |
| 22:06.10 | Luke-Jr | Linux has alot fewer bugs like this |
| 22:06.17 | Luke-Jr | and we actually fix them |
| 22:06.23 | gerrynjr | linux gains popularity.. and people will strive to exploit holes |
| 22:06.29 | gerrynjr | true.. we do fix em ;-D |
| 22:07.03 | Luke-Jr | Seeing as this hole was fixed prior to being exploited, there has never (AFAIK) been a hole abused prior to a fix |
| 22:07.06 | Luke-Jr | for Linux |
| 22:10.37 | MG_Tak | "there're no viruses for linux" |
| 22:10.41 | gerrynjr | BS |
| 22:10.44 | gerrynjr | there are rootkits :-D |
| 22:10.59 | MG_Tak | yeah, wait until people start to dislike linux for whatever stupid reason they feel is valid :P |
| 22:11.07 | gerrynjr | chkrootkit :-D |
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| 22:25.45 | gerrynjr | sharp sucks |
| 22:25.51 | gerrynjr | they took down zaurus.com |
| 22:26.03 | gerrynjr | devnet... down |
| 22:26.07 | gerrynjr | community... down |
| 22:26.11 | gerrynjr | docs... down |
| 22:26.23 | Taim | patience... |
| 22:26.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:26.33 | Taim | no word has been offiicially been given... |
| 22:26.47 | kergoth | wonder how long itll be before OZ is the only viable upgrade path for sharp usa products |
| 22:26.49 | Taim | ooo...too many beens |
| 22:27.15 | MG_Tak | kergoth: it isn't? |
| 22:27.28 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:27.38 | gerrynjr | Taim> I called them.... |
| 22:27.38 | kergoth | for 5500/5000d it is, i dont see them releasing another |
| 22:28.00 | gerrynjr | Taim> it's down for good |
| 22:28.03 | Taim | gerrynjr: so I saw. You won't hear anything until the bigwigs decide if us peons are worth their time. |
| 22:28.26 | Taim | this is nothing new... |
| 22:28.27 | MG_Tak | Taim: we're hardly worth our own time, at this point.. :) |
| 22:28.35 | gerrynjr | Taim> well... I wonder if boyvcottsharp.com is up for grabs :-D |
| 22:28.41 | Taim | hehe :) |
| 22:28.53 | Taim | look at it this way...be glad that they had any support to begin with... |
| 22:29.08 | gerrynjr | Taim> well... good thing we have OZ... |
| 22:29.14 | Taim | most companies still don't support linux whether it be PDA, PCs or laptops... |
| 22:29.16 | gerrynjr | kergoth> thanks... |
| 22:29.21 | Taim | exactly :) |
| 22:29.39 | gerrynjr | Taim> these exploits could be a major setback to the support of it as well :-( |
| 22:29.40 | Taim | It does suck that the site was taken down without notice. |
| 22:29.55 | gerrynjr | Taim> if they gave notice.. I would have mirror'd the stuff |
| 22:29.59 | Taim | ehh...true/not true...depends on how you see it... |
| 22:30.19 | gerrynjr | well.. it does show wwe get stuff patched quicker :-D |
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| 22:30.43 | Taim | look at it this way...no dev ROMs, then more people who worked on Sharp ROM alterations will focus on OZ or something... |
| 22:31.22 | Taim | that could be considered a good thing... |
| 22:31.29 | gerrynjr | does this mean that the 5600 will not be coming to the US? |
| 22:31.34 | kergoth | .. |
| 22:31.39 | Taim | it WOULD have been nice to mirror the sites... |
| 22:31.44 | treke | Th 5600 is already in the US |
| 22:31.52 | Taim | you mean the 6000? |
| 22:31.55 | gerrynjr | yeah |
| 22:31.59 | gerrynjr | sorry about that |
| 22:32.23 | kergoth | i'm sure 6000 will come here, but given the enterprise push, i dont see them supporting a community |
| 22:32.39 | Taim | then I say we support it ourselves... |
| 22:32.51 | gerrynjr | seems as if, the ipaq linux community is much better supported |
| 22:32.59 | kergoth | i'd like to take bill kendrick's Z faq |
| 22:32.59 | gerrynjr | maybe that will be my next on in the future |
| 22:33.00 | W8TVI | exploits? |
| 22:33.07 | kergoth | and move it into the openzaurus.org db driven faq system |
| 22:33.13 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> all over slashdot |
| 22:33.14 | kergoth | as the end all be all db of Z info |
| 22:33.23 | gerrynjr | kergoth> it's on zaurususergroup.com |
| 22:33.35 | kergoth | is it? static or dynamic? |
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| 22:33.39 | Taim | but you can't call HP to get the latest linux ROMS. Nothing different.. |
| 22:33.41 | gerrynjr | kergoth> dynamic |
| 22:33.49 | offroadgeek | kergoth: don't you think the oz site is a little oz centric? |
| 22:33.59 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> welcome back |
| 22:34.01 | kergoth | offroadgeek: i meant use that system. itd go on a different domain |
| 22:34.02 | gerrynjr | sad news today :-( |
| 22:34.10 | meshuga | anyone got hancom* they could dcc? |
| 22:34.14 | kergoth | gerrynjr: is there an approval process for user submitted faqs? |
| 22:34.38 | gerrynjr | kergoth> ask offroadgeek, he maintains it :-D |
| 22:34.45 | offroadgeek | kergoth: I currently maintain the unofficial z faq on the zu |
| 22:34.47 | offroadgeek | zug |
| 22:34.48 | gerrynjr | meshuga> I do :-D |
| 22:35.05 | gerrynjr | dunno what kind of dcc speed you'll get from me.. my isp limits it |
| 22:35.07 | meshuga | gerrynjr : awesome. i got an ftp too, if thats more convienant |
| 22:35.13 | meshuga | oh well, i'm patient. :) |
| 22:35.18 | kergoth | offroadgeek: just wonder if users can easily submit new content, and if they do if theres a sane approval mechanism for the entries |
| 22:35.19 | gerrynjr | meshuga> i've got the tkc apps |
| 22:35.23 | kergoth | s/wonder/wondering/ |
| 22:35.34 | gerrynjr | meshuga> er.. tkc packaged hancom |
| 22:35.41 | W8TVI | Gentoo rsync Server Compromised? |
| 22:35.52 | W8TVI | ibot hancom |
| 22:35.54 | | try http://mobile.hancom.com/download/product_num_reg.html or http://www.zaurus.com/dev/hancom/files/Sl-5000d.zip |
| 22:35.54 | offroadgeek | kergoth: yup.. anyone can submit faq entries... and currently only ZUG admins can approve/respond to them... |
| 22:36.06 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> zaurus.com is down |
| 22:36.08 | kergoth | offroadgeek: ah, good. what codebase is this driven by? |
| 22:36.10 | meshuga | gerrynjr : oh ok, thos eshould work on OZ right? |
| 22:36.10 | W8TVI | hmmm need to edit that |
| 22:36.18 | gerrynjr | meshuga> havn't tried |
| 22:36.20 | offroadgeek | kergoth: I just need to change a few permissions and then we can designate anyone to be faq admins |
| 22:36.34 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> i'll voulenteer :-D |
| 22:36.46 | offroadgeek | gerrynjr: noted, thanks! |
| 22:36.48 | kergoth | and what do you have for categorization? |
| 22:37.15 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> as soon as I get exams squared away ;-D |
| 22:37.18 | offroadgeek | kergoth: look at the faq :) |
| 22:37.28 | kergoth | bah, making me start X and open a browser |
| 22:37.28 | W8TVI | meshuga: use the link from ibot |
| 22:37.29 | W8TVI | ibot hancom |
| 22:37.30 | | try http://mobile.hancom.com/download/product_num_reg.html |
| 22:37.30 | kergoth | bastards |
| 22:37.43 | W8TVI | thats better :) |
| 22:37.50 | offroadgeek | there's no category/area for OZ, as I don't want to dupliate what you already have |
| 22:38.38 | kergoth | offroadgeek: hmm, where would i submit an faq? |
| 22:38.52 | meshuga | W8TVI : yup leechin right now |
| 22:38.54 | kergoth | oh, probably need to havfe a login for that, no anonymous submissions? |
| 22:39.02 | offroadgeek | kergoth: "Ask A Question" link |
| 22:39.10 | meshuga | thanks |
| 22:39.18 | offroadgeek | anon submissions are ok... don't even need to submit your email |
| 22:39.54 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> can you edit the "ask a question" title? |
| 22:39.58 | gerrynjr | to submit a faq? |
| 22:40.12 | offroadgeek | gerrynjr: yes |
| 22:40.15 | kergoth | ask a question feels more supportish. i dont need support, i want to give you content |
| 22:40.37 | kergoth | and i cant find that ask a question link |
| 22:40.40 | offroadgeek | it's as easy as modifying some php files |
| 22:40.55 | offroadgeek | kergoth: look again... it's on almost every page in the header! |
| 22:40.56 | gerrynjr | kergoth> me either |
| 22:41.01 | kergoth | i dont see it. |
| 22:41.06 | kergoth | note that i'm not logged in. |
| 22:41.25 | offroadgeek | hmm... lemme check |
| 22:41.29 | kergoth | i see login, home, zug forums, zug downloads, unofficial faq, how-to docs, and teh date. |
| 22:41.36 | kergoth | nothing about submission/asking |
| 22:41.42 | Taim | http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=FAQ&file=index&myfaq=yes&askaquestion=yes&id_cat=0& |
| 22:41.42 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> it's not there |
| 22:41.55 | gerrynjr | Taim> but, is it easily accesable? |
| 22:42.00 | kergoth | it needs to be prominant |
| 22:42.06 | Taim | Unofficial Zaurus Faq |
| 22:42.22 | W8TVI | gerrynjr: are you talking about the "Gentoo rsync Server Compromised" |
| 22:42.26 | Taim | right before the categories... |
| 22:42.27 | offroadgeek | yeah... link doesn't show if you're not logged in... fixing that now |
| 22:42.32 | Taim | ahh |
| 22:42.35 | kergoth | good good |
| 22:42.47 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> savannah.gnu.org was as well |
| 22:42.49 | Taim | that's what I get for not not logging in :) |
| 22:43.05 | W8TVI | k |
| 22:43.10 | kergoth | offroadgeek: would you be willing to hold OZ specific data? our faq system isnt quite up to the task, and we dont have shit for developers to approve faqs anymore |
| 22:43.11 | gerrynjr | Taim> I went to vew it as a regular user |
| 22:43.25 | kergoth | also, can you submit revisions or modifications to an already existing faq? |
| 22:44.04 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> seems as if your site could become a major hub |
| 22:44.33 | kergoth | i'd be willing to contribute content and be a zug admin to help out with it |
| 22:44.57 | kergoth | we need to reduce the degree to which our community is fractured. |
| 22:45.19 | kergoth | your site has potential to help that |
| 22:45.28 | offroadgeek | no it's there... my bad |
| 22:46.00 | offroadgeek | kergoth: I'm willing to do anything to help the oz effort :) |
| 22:46.44 | kergoth | what ever happened to ZFI? |
| 22:46.53 | gerrynjr | zfi? |
| 22:47.07 | kergoth | zuarus feed index |
| 22:47.13 | kergoth | itd index ipk feeds and display the info |
| 22:47.16 | kergoth | like ZSI, but feed driven |
| 22:47.20 | kergoth | was pretty cool |
| 22:47.22 | absentia | re |
| 22:47.25 | gerrynjr | did spencer run it? |
| 22:47.26 | kergoth | hey absentia |
| 22:47.28 | kergoth | gerrynjr: nope |
| 22:47.30 | absentia | kergoth: agreed. |
| 22:47.33 | absentia | reduce sites. |
| 22:47.36 | gerrynjr | I think it was moved to docs.zaurus.com, no? |
| 22:47.43 | kergoth | no |
| 22:48.04 | gerrynjr | Feed_has_moved_to |
| 22:48.04 | gerrynjr | Last Updated: 10/29/2003 |
| 22:48.04 | gerrynjr | It has moved to http://docs.zaurus.com/feed/ Contact meyerb@sharpsec.com if you have any problems. |
| 22:48.10 | absentia | I grabbed a mirror of docs.zaurus.com a while ago. |
| 22:48.13 | gerrynjr | http://www.zaurii.com/zfi/index.phtml?p=d&d=960+ |
| 22:48.16 | gerrynjr | absentia> nice |
| 22:48.22 | gerrynjr | how big is it? |
| 22:48.33 | gerrynjr | kergoth> indeed it was moved |
| 22:48.42 | absentia | www.spy.org/zaurus/private is my stash... go to private/i to get a dir listing... go to feeds |
| 22:48.44 | gerrynjr | and.. that server is _down_ |
| 22:48.52 | gerrynjr | absentia> thanks a bunch |
| 22:49.15 | offroadgeek | I have a small feed at the zug http://www.zaurususergroup.com/feed/ |
| 22:49.21 | absentia | scottyelich [11]> du -s -k * |
| 22:49.22 | absentia | 56692 all |
| 22:49.22 | absentia | 60280 c700 |
| 22:49.22 | absentia | 45852 c750 |
| 22:49.22 | absentia | 70516 c760 |
| 22:49.22 | absentia | 76 dd |
| 22:49.24 | absentia | 108156 docs-zaurus-com |
| 22:49.26 | absentia | 13160 ipkg |
| 22:49.26 | gerrynjr | wow |
| 22:49.28 | absentia | 3360 misc |
| 22:49.44 | kergoth | gerrynjr: i'm not talking about the docs feed. |
| 22:49.45 | absentia | I've grabbed just about everything ... 'zept for the files from zsi... |
| 22:49.47 | kergoth | gerrynjr: that was ben's feed |
| 22:49.55 | absentia | but I agree with kergoth |
| 22:49.58 | absentia | we need less fracturing |
| 22:50.16 | gerrynjr | absentia> how much bandwidth you got ? |
| 22:50.23 | absentia | 1000GB month... |
| 22:50.28 | absentia | 1.5GB sustained up and down |
| 22:50.32 | absentia | er |
| 22:50.33 | absentia | MB/sec |
| 22:50.37 | kergoth | gerrynjr: ZFI was a site like ZSI that indexed evfery available ipk feed |
| 22:50.37 | absentia | not 1.5GB.. 1.5MB/sec |
| 22:50.44 | kergoth | including OZ's, the old zaurus.com one, etc |
| 22:50.50 | absentia | www.spy.org/zaurus/zinfo.html |
| 22:50.52 | gerrynjr | kergoth> http://www.zaurii.com/zfi |
| 22:50.58 | gerrynjr | isn't that zfi? |
| 22:51.01 | meshuga | anyone ever seen hancom bitch liek this: |
| 22:51.03 | meshuga | er |
| 22:51.11 | meshuga | root@openzaurus:~/Documents/ipkg# ipkg install -force-depends -force-overwrite hancommobileword_1.4.4_arm.ipk |
| 22:51.11 | meshuga | Package hancommobileword has no Architecture defined. |
| 22:51.21 | meshuga | how can i define an architecture? |
| 22:51.28 | kergoth | gerrynjr: yep, but afaik it hasnt been maintained in months or longer |
| 22:51.32 | gerrynjr | meshuga> old ipk ;-D |
| 22:51.35 | kergoth | by "what happened" i dont mean where did it go |
| 22:51.40 | kergoth | i mean why the hell isnt it being used |
| 22:51.41 | gerrynjr | ah, ok |
| 22:51.50 | meshuga | gerrynjr : ok, any way to fix it? cuz hancomsheet works great |
| 22:52.12 | offroadgeek | kergoth: so do you want to move the oz faq to the unofficial z faq? |
| 22:52.17 | gerrynjr | absentia> no rom backups? |
| 22:52.25 | W8TVI | meshuga: I'm using that on the latest rom, no problem |
| 22:52.26 | absentia | private/i |
| 22:52.32 | meshuga | W8TVI : how'd you install it? |
| 22:52.33 | absentia | go under 7x0 ... etc |
| 22:52.38 | kergoth | offroadgeek: thinking about it. faqs are more user controlled data than official documentation, so.. |
| 22:52.43 | W8TVI | aqpkg |
| 22:52.52 | W8TVI | like everyone else |
| 22:52.55 | W8TVI | it just worked |
| 22:52.56 | absentia | that stuff isn't public/published... just a personal backup.. public stuff is linked from zsi, etc. |
| 22:53.03 | meshuga | W8TVI : thats what i'm using. hancomword did? no probs? on oz? |
| 22:53.11 | W8TVI | none |
| 22:53.13 | gerrynjr | absentia> hmm, didn't see tkc :-( |
| 22:53.22 | offroadgeek | kergoth: who could do the work/migration? |
| 22:53.26 | absentia | do they have a 7x0 rom ? |
| 22:53.30 | absentia | I'm only grabbing 7x0 stuff |
| 22:53.34 | absentia | no 5500 5600 |
| 22:53.48 | gerrynjr | ah.... |
| 22:53.52 | gerrynjr | ok |
| 22:54.02 | gerrynjr | at least I can grab the docs.z.o feed |
| 22:54.18 | absentia | yup |
| 22:54.21 | meshuga | whats the best mame emu? |
| 22:54.54 | gerrynjr | absentia> do you mind a wget -R? |
| 22:55.01 | absentia | I haven't tried the last xmame up |
| 22:55.01 | gerrynjr | figured i'd ask first :-D |
| 22:55.11 | absentia | the other one I tried... I think I ran it under qtopia.. it was too slow to use |
| 22:55.16 | gerrynjr | on just the zaurus feed |
| 22:55.21 | absentia | gerry: no, tell me what xfer you get |
| 22:55.25 | kergoth | offroadgeek: heh, good question |
| 22:55.33 | kergoth | offroadgeek: we have a lot of old content that probably isnt even accurate anymore |
| 22:55.39 | kergoth | need to go faq by faq |
| 22:55.51 | absentia | yes |
| 22:55.58 | gerrynjr | absentia> bout 300k/sec |
| 22:56.03 | gerrynjr | i'm on cable modem |
| 22:56.09 | absentia | ok |
| 22:56.30 | gerrynjr | 200 solid now |
| 22:56.39 | offroadgeek | kergoth: nod, maybe a nice soul will offer to help :) |
| 22:56.45 | kergoth | offroadgeek: i'll send out a call for help email |
| 22:56.54 | kergoth | theres a lot of ways people can contribute that they arent aware of |
| 22:57.03 | offroadgeek | I agree |
| 22:57.06 | gerrynjr | nice to see some great collaboration :-D |
| 22:57.31 | kergoth | Disconnect: you still willing to do a 'how to contribute' page? :) |
| 23:01.19 | offroadgeek | brb |
| 23:01.56 | kergoth | god theres so much I need to do, and nowhere near enough time to do it in |
| 23:03.10 | kergoth | qte keyboard mapping, libtscal for tslib, continuing OE development on the current system, advancing the OE core rewrite, distro things like allowing ro rootfs, work stuff, OE image creation cleanup, autobuilder, web site improvements, documentation, moving from sf to hh.o, learning RT well enough to use it exclusively for issue tracking, etc |
| 23:05.11 | Reddog | kergoth: fun.. isn't it |
| 23:05.33 | kergoth | well, keeps ya from being too bored |
| 23:06.36 | Reddog | have you come across many people with touchscreen digitizer problems? |
| 23:06.44 | Reddog | like.. just the digitizer cracked.. |
| 23:06.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:07.08 | kergoth | i've cracked multiple Z's digitizers in my time |
| 23:07.14 | kergoth | my old 5000d, and my current 5500 |
| 23:07.21 | Reddog | you get them fixed? |
| 23:07.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:07.35 | kergoth | sharp charges more than it costs to buy a new one |
| 23:07.36 | kergoth | fuck that. |
| 23:07.39 | Reddog | yeah |
| 23:07.49 | kergoth | i sold my 5000d to some hardware hacker |
| 23:07.56 | kergoth | and keep my 5500 for testing |
| 23:07.57 | Reddog | any idea what sharp charges to do the fix? |
| 23:08.19 | kergoth | well, its one piece, so they havfe to replace the lcd as well |
| 23:08.25 | Reddog | i read the article about the guy replacing his digitizer with a dell axim unit |
| 23:08.25 | kergoth | you're talking like 3-4 hundred usd |
| 23:09.07 | offroadgeek | kergoth: is everything ok with oz.org? i keep getting time outs |
| 23:09.13 | Reddog | but the ribbon cable was different.. so he did a cheap hack with it |
| 23:09.13 | kergoth | sf is being a bitch again |
| 23:09.16 | kergoth | as usual |
| 23:09.31 | kergoth | will be moving the website to a project on handhelds.org soon |
| 23:09.35 | gerrynjr | kergoth> seems as if they are always down |
| 23:09.39 | kergoth | no more sf for us |
| 23:09.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:09.43 | gerrynjr | not very reliable for a project |
| 23:11.12 | offroadgeek | ah |
| 23:13.00 | Reddog | kergoth: http://www.lesterboal.net/~pboal/zaurus/ <-- this page |
| 23:13.11 | kergoth | ah yeah, saw the email about it |
| 23:13.17 | Reddog | apparently the digitizer does come off the lcd.. but not for the faint of heart |
| 23:14.00 | Reddog | i'm just wondering if there's any market for a digitizer that will work as a direct replacement |
| 23:14.09 | Reddog | for under $100 |
| 23:15.12 | meshuga | damn |
| 23:15.16 | meshuga | i just sold my broken one, too |
| 23:15.49 | gerrynjr | Reddog> if you can find a easy way to install one, i'd buy a replacement... |
| 23:17.44 | gerrynjr | er.. backup |
| 23:17.59 | Reddog | we were considering looking into seeing how much it would cost to get some custom one's made.. that would be a direct replacement.. then supply the replacement part along with a step by step sheet on how to fix it |
| 23:18.50 | Reddog | just trying to see how many people have broken units, and how many would attempt to fix the probelm theirselves.. if the part was sub $100 |
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| 23:24.10 | meshuga | i had one, but i just ebay'd it |
| 23:24.19 | meshuga | i noticed about one go a week broken on ebay |
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| 23:29.02 | offroadgeek | nap time.. need to heal my cold |
| 23:30.33 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> get well soon! |
| 23:31.12 | offroadgeek | thanks! |
| 23:32.06 | tapjpa | Take it easy offroad, taim did great job getting the forums in line |
| 23:35.16 | tapjpa | Now that would be a cool add on! |
| 23:35.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:35.51 | kergoth | a cf radio card company sent me a card |
| 23:35.58 | kergoth | so i could write the drivers, and ben meyer could write teh GUI |
| 23:36.10 | kergoth | never had time to sign teh damn nda to get the info to do so |
| 23:36.22 | kergoth | only had the V4L piece done |
| 23:36.31 | ChipX86|School | send it to me. I'll do it! |
| 23:36.34 | tapjpa | You'll have to do that, would like to hear more! |
| 23:36.57 | kergoth | wonder where i put that card |
| 23:37.00 | gerrynjr | compusa sells one.. I may pick one up if it works |
| 23:37.05 | gerrynjr | make a nice zaurus PAR |
| 23:37.09 | gerrynjr | personal audio recorder |
| 23:38.00 | tapjpa | the same mp3's get old after while, would be nice to have an alternative audio source |
| 23:38.03 | gerrynjr | bbiab: food |
| 23:38.22 | gerrynjr | shepard's pie... yummm |
| 23:38.37 | tapjpa | sounds good, enjoy |
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| 23:44.26 | absentia | which forums ? |
| 23:44.31 | absentia | tapja ? |
| 23:47.47 | tapjpa | The ZUG forums |
| 23:47.58 | absentia | what was done ? |
| 23:48.34 | tapjpa | Just some more topocs where added to make up for the loss of the Sharp forums |
| 23:49.10 | absentia | ah |
| 23:49.56 | absentia | does anyone have a browser that rememers a login for the zug? |
| 23:50.00 | absentia | opera doesn't seem to want to do it |
| 23:50.24 | absentia | sometimes.. I get a prompt to save the password |
| 23:50.26 | absentia | which I always do |
| 23:50.29 | absentia | but it never seems to work |
| 23:50.31 | tapjpa | mozzila works great |
| 23:50.47 | gerrynjr | back |
| 23:50.58 | gerrynjr | tapjpa> I take it you admin? |
| 23:51.03 | gerrynjr | great site ;-D |
| 23:51.14 | tapjpa | Yup |
| 23:51.23 | |QuaD| | hey, are there filesharing programs for desktop linux? |
| 23:51.40 | gerrynjr | yes... but.. this is #zaurus, no? |
| 23:51.45 | |QuaD| | heh |
| 23:51.48 | |QuaD| | i was just curious |
| 23:52.39 | tapjpa | I like limewire, just my personal fav |
| 23:52.50 | |QuaD| | ok thanks :) |
| 23:52.55 | |QuaD| | what others are there? |
| 23:52.57 | gerrynjr | tapjpa> RIAA watches you |
| 23:53.09 | tapjpa | Here I am!! |
| 23:53.12 | tapjpa | lol |
| 23:53.16 | absentia | riaa can kiss my ass |
| 23:53.23 | gerrynjr | AMEN! |
| 23:53.27 | |QuaD| | heh |
| 23:53.29 | gerrynjr | absentia> you have naughty pics |
| 23:53.35 | gerrynjr | naughty naughty! |
| 23:53.43 | absentia | the screen backgrounds? |
| 23:53.52 | absentia | was gonna make a calendar type thing. |
| 23:53.54 | *** join/#zaurus br33zy (~br33zy@66-91-245-150.san.rr.com) |
| 23:54.23 | Cheng | Hi. What could cause changing property of a given icon to "execute with root privilege", not be kept? Is there a way to change it manually, not from the GUI? |
| 23:54.46 | tapjpa | Which ROM? |
| 23:54.50 | Cheng | (Sharp ROM) |
| 23:54.53 | Cheng | 3.10 |
| 23:55.03 | tapjpa | 3.13 is supposed to fix that |
| 23:55.10 | Cheng | Ohh update... cool |
| 23:55.20 | absentia | take a look at ... http://www.spy.org/games/mahjong/pics/tile/%23i.html |
| 23:56.45 | Cheng | Thanks, I'll look for this update. |
| 23:57.32 | ljp | wow, zaurus.com was registered in 1996 |
| 23:57.46 | absentia | check out when my domain was registered... |
| 23:58.19 | tapjpa | Sharp downloads are gone, try http://www.zaurususergroup.com then hit the downloads |
| 23:58.41 | ljp | zaurus.com doesnt even respond to pings |
| 23:58.51 | gerrynjr | ljp> it is down |
| 23:58.58 | ljp | ping: unknown host zaurus.com |
| 23:59.07 | Cheng | zaurususergroup returns me "Session initialisation failed" |
| 23:59.10 | gerrynjr | i called... and supposedly they had no clue it was down |
| 23:59.12 | tapjpa | the dns was internal, when they pulled the plug everythink stopped |
| 23:59.13 | Cheng | .com that is |
