| 00:41.02 | Twiun | doubt that'll work - don't think you can renice kernel threads ;) |
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| 01:02.24 | rev | ahoy |
| 01:06.01 | W8TVI | ARRR! |
| 01:06.34 | rev | MATEY!! |
| 01:06.44 | W8TVI | Avast Ye, Matey! |
| 01:06.53 | W8TVI | Well shiver me timbers. |
| 01:07.28 | W8TVI | Man the Mizzan Mast! |
| 01:11.12 | W8TVI | Aarrr! If any of ye Scurvy Landlubber Spammers spam me again, I'll be sending ye to Davy Jones' locker! Dead men tell no tales. |
| 01:17.43 | rev | er |
| 01:17.44 | rev | dot |
| 01:18.14 | rev | why the hell to I even read it? |
| 01:18.51 | W8TVI | its like picking at a scab |
| 01:18.53 | W8TVI | :) |
| 01:20.08 | rev | yes |
| 01:20.15 | rev | i have it almost all replaced, but man |
| 01:20.25 | rev | i wish i had some site that was like, slashdot, but less shitty |
| 01:20.31 | rev | i read osnews and newmobilecomputing and that is a good deal of it |
| 01:20.45 | rev | ooooh |
| 01:20.49 | rev | a c64 emulator for PalmOS |
| 01:20.53 | rev | why is that a big deal? |
| 01:20.56 | ljp | theres kiro5hin |
| 01:21.45 | rev | too pretentious |
| 01:22.34 | rev | i used to read macslash too, but that's just kinda lame |
| 01:26.41 | treke|home | yo rev |
| 01:26.55 | rev | hey treke |
| 01:27.00 | rev | I'VE MISSED YOU! |
| 01:27.14 | treke|home | hehe |
| 01:27.23 | ljp | newsforge |
| 01:27.32 | treke|home | rev: new aliens dvd box set coming out tuesday. 9 disks. |
| 01:27.58 | rev | hell yea |
| 01:28.00 | treke|home | btw. Where's my dynapad release |
| 01:28.12 | _Psycho | 9 disks ? |
| 01:28.53 | treke|home | _Psycho: Don't have a clue :) |
| 01:29.03 | ChipX86 | I thought it was 8 |
| 01:29.22 | treke|home | Ah. 1 disk has the theatirical version, one has an extended release |
| 01:29.36 | treke|home | ChipX86: There's a disk with extra junk on it in addition to two for each movie |
| 01:29.44 | _Psycho | There is already deleted scene on my 4 disks versions :) |
| 01:30.10 | _Psycho | well i doubt i buy that thing :) |
| 01:30.18 | treke|home | hehe. |
| 01:30.29 | treke|home | I'll probably end up getting it since i don't have any of them on DVD yet. |
| 01:30.30 | W8TVI | I want the x-men set |
| 01:30.38 | _Psycho | especially i already have that 4 disk box-set |
| 01:30.54 | W8TVI | If I was working I would have paid the $30 to get them |
| 01:30.54 | treke|home | and it was reasonably priced |
| 01:32.10 | _Psycho | movie that a good idea |
| 01:32.22 | _Psycho | im tired to fight with qt-e 3.2.3 that doesnt compile ok ;) |
| 01:35.04 | W8TVI | http://www.byronkinnaird.net/bsod/bsod.jpg |
| 01:39.03 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 01:40.08 | treke|home | where does he see this? |
| 01:40.19 | W8TVI | http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/19/201230 |
| 01:40.56 | W8TVI | Re:Not really cheaper (Score:2) |
| 01:40.56 | W8TVI | by RevAaron (125240) on 01:44 AM -- Thursday November 20 2003 (#7517930) |
| 01:41.04 | treke|home | ermRev |
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| 03:01.39 | mrwoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.36 | MG_Tak | .. |
| 03:02.45 | MG_Tak | well it all depends on what your IMAP server is.. |
| 03:03.01 | mrwoody | can you give me an example... i have never used imap before |
| 03:03.10 | MG_Tak | Umm |
| 03:03.26 | MG_Tak | say.. your server was.. mail.mydomain.net .. then you'd put that in. :P |
| 03:03.42 | mrwoody | well i tried that ... but i don't get anything at all |
| 03:03.46 | mrwoody | in opie-mail2 |
| 03:04.24 | MG_Tak | you sure your server supports IMAP..? |
| 03:04.28 | mrwoody | yes very sure |
| 03:04.35 | MG_Tak | how? |
| 03:04.56 | mrwoody | ? |
| 03:05.01 | mrwoody | http://www.cims.nyu.edu/systems/resources/mail/index.html |
| 03:05.54 | MG_Tak | Both our POP3 and IMAP servers support SSL connections. For the time being, our POP3 servers still support non-SSL connections. |
| 03:06.03 | MG_Tak | from the wording on that, it seems that you'd need SSL IMAP |
| 03:08.45 | treke|home | I'd recommend mutt :) |
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| 03:12.00 | mr_woody | i am sorry... i was disconnected |
| 03:12.25 | mr_woody | was anyone talking with mrwoody? |
| 03:12.53 | treke|home | that sounds dirty |
| 03:13.29 | mr_woody | dirty? |
| 03:13.36 | mr_woody | well my router is dirty |
| 03:13.54 | MG_Tak | Both our POP3 and IMAP servers support SSL connections. For the time being, our POP3 servers still support non-SSL connections. <-- you got that, woody? |
| 03:14.04 | mr_woody | yes |
| 03:14.14 | mr_woody | I was asking what i can use instead |
| 03:14.32 | mr_woody | is there anything that would allow me to use imap ssl |
| 03:14.39 | treke|home | mutt and pine probably will |
| 03:14.53 | MG_Tak | pine does |
| 03:15.02 | MG_Tak | but I'll admit that palm on a zaurus is kinda rough. |
| 03:15.04 | mr_woody | for oz? |
| 03:15.07 | MG_Tak | pine, rather |
| 03:15.19 | treke|home | MG_Tak: I hade mutt hacked up to be pretty friendly |
| 03:15.21 | treke|home | mr_woody: yes |
| 03:15.29 | mr_woody | okie thanks both |
| 03:15.36 | MG_Tak | treke|home: it'd be for me too if I didn't use it from within screen |
| 03:15.42 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:15.48 | MG_Tak | I never detach so it's always stuck in 24*80 lines |
| 03:15.52 | treke|home | Yeah. usually I use mutt over ssh these days |
| 03:15.57 | MG_Tak | which displays poorly on a 5600 |
| 03:16.17 | mr_woody | how about qtmail? what does it support? |
| 03:16.41 | treke|home | imap and pop. No imaps though |
| 03:16.49 | treke|home | None of the gui clients do imaps |
| 03:16.55 | mr_woody | okie thanks |
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| 03:41.07 | tarvid | looking for recommendations for a PIM for Mandrake to get started with my Zaurus 5500. |
| 03:50.34 | absentia | re |
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| 03:53.51 | absentia | rev... |
| 03:59.12 | chuckr | anyone have a url to the sources for the latest Mac to Zaurus gcc cross compiler sources? |
| 03:59.30 | absentia | killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 03:59.38 | chuckr | thanks |
| 04:03.48 | chuckr | Nope, I found 4 different gcc to mac crosses, but all 2.95.x, none 3.x |
| 04:04.23 | chuckr | I would really like to be proven wrong here, come on! |
| 04:04.44 | absentia | oh |
| 04:04.54 | absentia | sorry, I didn't see the version in your question when I came in. |
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| 04:05.58 | chuckr | I'm pretty sure that all the latest things have been compiled with a 3.x comiler, didn't I see that? |
| 04:06.06 | kergoth | um |
| 04:06.22 | kergoth | all sharp images are 2, not 3, and all gui apps have to be 2 as well to retain compatibility |
| 04:06.38 | chuckr | From what I can see, to build gcc-3.3.2, it's going to take a fair soortment of Linux provate include files, some |
| 04:06.52 | chuckr | hacked up to site in the Mac environment, not too easy to do. |
| 04:07.08 | kergoth | um, --with-headers=/path/to/kernel/headers |
| 04:07.12 | kergoth | ta da, "hacked up" |
| 04:07.56 | chuckr | I thought it'd seen comments that some of the images stated they were from the 3.x compilers. If I must, I could give urls for that, I think I saw it. |
| 04:07.57 | cyn | anyone use metacity? |
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| 04:08.15 | kergoth | there have been oz experimental images that were 3. |
| 04:08.23 | chuckr | no, that --with-headers thing would only work if you have the Linux headers somethere on the machine |
| 04:08.27 | kergoth | but saying "all the latest things are" is just dead wrong. |
| 04:08.39 | kergoth | chuckr: so? downloading a tarball of kernel headders isnt exactly rocket science |
| 04:08.49 | chuckr | look at my last comment |
| 04:08.49 | kergoth | theres one sitting on kernel.org in the toolchain dir |
| 04:09.04 | kergoth | download and unpack, and point the gcc build there. big deal |
| 04:09.17 | chuckr | we |
| 04:09.28 | chuckr | well, I want to build on the Mac, not on Linux |
| 04:09.39 | kergoth | so? |
| 04:09.41 | chuckr | I mean actually host on Mac, not X over there |
| 04:10.23 | chuckr | in order to get it to build on the Mac, stuff like, say, (picks a hard one) stdio,h must match Linux'es, not Mac's. |
| 04:10.59 | kergoth | okay, you're talking about glibc headers, not kernel headers |
| 04:11.20 | chuckr | yeah, I was having language problems, that's a fact |
| 04:11.32 | chuckr | I am not yet a Linux hacker |
| 04:11.34 | kergoth | you're talking about building a crosscompiler? you'll need to go through all the passes |
| 04:11.42 | chuckr | ??? |
| 04:11.45 | kergoth | you build binutils, then gcc pass 1, then glibc for target, then gcc pass 2 |
| 04:11.54 | kergoth | its well documented online |
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| 04:12.17 | kergoth | there are scripts to automate the process (e.g. crosstool) |
| 04:12.17 | chuckr | I built the binutils, but the first part of the gcc build put sys-includes in the dir with the binutils, and the |
| 04:12.35 | chuckr | machine/limits.h file had code in there to error out of not pwerpc or x86 |
| 04:13.12 | kergoth | --with-headers needs to point to a set of linux kernel headers |
| 04:13.17 | chuckr | the scripts are srtickly for 2.95, and the build has really changed a heck of a lot since then, i need to do the glibc route. Actually, that's a fair suggestion, pal |
| 04:13.17 | kergoth | they'll be copied to sys-include |
| 04:13.21 | kergoth | eh? |
| 04:13.22 | kergoth | wrong. |
| 04:13.24 | kergoth | dead wrong. |
| 04:13.28 | chuckr | why |
| 04:13.33 | kergoth | i used crosstool to build a glibc 2.3.2 / gcc 3.3.2 chain last week |
| 04:13.49 | kergoth | and also fixed up the openembedded toolchain build to do so as well |
| 04:13.58 | chuckr | you are referring to "crosstool" like it's a real tool, that's not accidental? |
| 04:14.08 | kergoth | it is a real tool. |
| 04:14.17 | chuckr | huh ... where? |
| 04:14.22 | kergoth | just a shell script and some local ptches |
| 04:14.26 | kergoth | are you unable to use google? |
| 04:14.27 | kergoth | or what? |
| 04:14.30 | chuckr | ok |
| 04:15.21 | chuckr | I never saw crosstool before, had no idea such existed. I'm gone, thanks for the help. |
| 04:15.27 | kergoth | np |
| 04:15.48 | chuckr | I'm really not trying to irritate you, I'm sorry I seem to be doing that. |
| 04:15.53 | kergoth | andersee has scripts for building chains too, though his are more uclibc specific, generally |
| 04:15.59 | kergoth | there are lots of scripts to do this stuff |
| 04:16.36 | chuckr | ulibc .... I will go google that too, I know what glibc is, but that stuff, well, I;'ve been bsd, not sysv, and glibc isn't everywehre. |
| 04:16.58 | kergoth | uclibc is just an alternative to glibc |
| 04:17.06 | kergoth | they arent binary compatible |
| 04:17.50 | chuckr | One last one, will the kde tools for 2.95 work just as well for 3.3.2? I will be happy to figure out what the compatibility problem is, if it's at all possible to fix. |
| 04:18.04 | kergoth | "the kde tools"? |
| 04:18.07 | kergoth | compatibility problem? |
| 04:19.06 | chuckr | maybe then I should stay glibc. About kde, I see scripts to build a environment, windowing, for the zaurus, past just the compiler, and I wasn't sure if the one I saw would work, the one on killefilz.de |
| 04:19.45 | chuckr | Let me be more specific, one moment (irc makes me to so FAST, I can't keep up) |
| 04:19.50 | kergoth | heh, unless you upgrade to a recent glibc on your zaurus |
| 04:20.06 | kergoth | building apps for the z with a glibc2.3.x chain will breakcompat |
| 04:20.29 | kergoth | since the binaries will be linked against versioned symbols that dont exist on a glibc 2.2.x Z |
| 04:20.49 | kergoth | bbl |
| 04:22.37 | Luke-Jr | http://blameepidemic.tk/ |
| 04:22.49 | chuckr | here's the url: http://www.lucid-cake.net/osx_arm/index_en.html, on the left hand bottom link, it's the env I would use for a 3.3.2 compiler, right? |
| 04:23.59 | chuckr | Oh, I see, I'd better get the ones for the glibc that's on the machine (I'm such a darn newbie at linux-devel it's embarrassing!) |
| 04:24.25 | chuckr | then the link I sent above is likely good |
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| 04:29.49 | mspencer | I wonder...with all the really interesting Zaurus projects listed on ZSI that come up missing after a few months...I wonder how many package authors would get upset if someone were to just mirror everything...and what the community as a whole would think about that... |
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| 04:34.22 | Pendalar | I doubt anyone would care |
| 04:34.30 | Pendalar | as that's partially what feeds are anyways |
| 04:34.40 | Pendalar | as long as it was GPL/etc types |
| 04:35.02 | mspencer | heh "whaddya mean you don't approve of me giving away your $30 finance program!" |
| 04:35.11 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 04:35.23 | Pendalar | what I meant was even some shareware/trialware people get edgy |
| 04:35.30 | mspencer | ah, true... |
| 04:35.36 | Pendalar | even though shareware is meant to be shared.. |
| 04:35.48 | Pendalar | if you aren't an 'offical' repository blah |
| 04:35.54 | Pendalar | but I would say go for it |
| 04:36.06 | Pendalar | it's strange people can't just host it on sf.net |
| 04:36.13 | mspencer | Better yet -- reviews :) |
| 04:36.29 | Pendalar | bah you think linux people read?? oh wait.. |
| 04:36.34 | Pendalar | =-) |
| 04:36.40 | mspencer | I could see myself dumping a bunch of files into a directory on a web server, and gradually creating a forum thread for each one I get a chance to test. :) |
| 04:36.53 | mspencer | mspencer.net forum thread -- not clogging up some other forum :) |
| 04:38.35 | Luke-Jr | screenshots! |
| 04:38.55 | mspencer | Yeah. Except mine would all be poor reviews of how badly things run on a c700. :) |
| 04:39.33 | Disconnect | many things run well. |
| 04:40.04 | cyn | mspencer are you using the 3.3.5 image or the one from uhhh June 26th 2003 |
| 04:40.05 | Disconnect | unfortunately, none of the good ones (snails, that radio app, nethack, even gaim to a small degree) happen to be on that list. |
| 04:40.29 | mspencer | Actually, I just nixed 3.3.5 and installed Sukoshi's 1.2 jp+en build... |
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| 04:41.32 | mspencer | I'll try 3.3.5 again when I have more time to play with it. I *need* sljisho for class tomorrow... |
| 04:42.10 | mspencer | ooh crap, I also need that integer math mp3 encoder 'shine' -- I'd better grab that... |
| 04:42.16 | Disconnect | yah thats my thing .. was hoping to be testing all that this weekend. need a working Z this week (but hopefully next weekend/next week I can scre with it, if work gets better) |
| 04:43.13 | stigger | anyone caught the SL6000 thread on the DevNet forum |
| 04:43.27 | stigger | whats the story on OZ and closed source |
| 04:46.25 | mspencer | heh yeah. "I just downloaded a copy of the Linux kernel from this site -- where my good-for-3-years offer for kernel source?" |
| 04:55.58 | absentia | ? |
| 04:57.49 | mspencer | "Are we distributing any of your code?" "erm, well...no..." "Then go whine to the FSF." :-) |
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| 05:15.45 | jumpkick_ | anyone know if a zaurus can debug a linux desktop's kernel boot-up across the USB cable? |
| 05:18.25 | chuckr | I haven't got any of my usual tools .... what's the glibc version that's used on the latest 3.3.5 image? |
| 05:19.12 | chuckr | maybe I just better get those tool sinstalled on my zaurus, ehh? |
| 05:42.07 | chuckr | crap, that won't work, the images on the zaurus are stripped. I gotta ask: what's the current glibc in use on the 3.3.5 image? |
| 05:57.39 | cyn | jumpkick_: if you output the console over a usb cable and get the zaurus listening for it - it should be possible with the right setup |
| 05:57.55 | cyn | I doubt it's 5 minutes out of the box on the zaurus side, though |
| 05:58.30 | absentia | h0h0h0 |
| 06:00.37 | cyn | what was funny about that |
| 06:00.56 | absentia | I was just saying hi |
| 06:03.39 | cyn | welcome |
| 06:03.45 | cyn | still have your c700? |
| 06:04.54 | absentia | me? |
| 06:05.01 | absentia | www.spy.org/zaurus |
| 06:05.08 | absentia | I have a c700 and c760 |
| 06:05.10 | absentia | now |
| 06:05.31 | absentia | I couldn't flash and do stuff on the 700 AND develop on it |
| 06:05.38 | absentia | so I bought the 760 to develop on and the 700 is for playing |
| 06:05.42 | absentia | flashing, testing. |
| 06:05.50 | absentia | I have sash rom on the 760 and zdebian |
| 06:06.37 | absentia | http://www.spy.org/zaurus/screenshots/scottyelich/ |
| 06:07.02 | absentia | that actually shows qtopia *and* zdebian running at the same time on the 760... really nice device... :-> |
| 06:07.50 | absentia | I have loaded up python on it... and take some qt3 proggies and made the run under the qt2 on the z (I lose some functions, but the program runs) ... so now I can develop on all my boxes the same (gui) code.... and python. |
| 06:08.04 | absentia | I bought a colobox so I'd have some place to put/share files, etc. |
| 06:08.11 | absentia | www.spy.org/zaurus/zinfo.html etc. |
| 06:08.14 | cyn | python gui stuff or just python commandline |
| 06:08.33 | absentia | gui |
| 06:08.44 | absentia | I am basing my programs on the qt3 "canvas" demo |
| 06:09.01 | cyn | ah python w/ qt3 gotcha, i misread earlier |
| 06:09.25 | absentia | but the worldMatrix stuff isn't in qt3... expecially the mouse clickthrough inverseWorldMatrix() .. so I wrote my own, and it works with all the transformations in qt3, and it also works in qt2... so I'm quite happy. |
| 06:09.37 | absentia | I want to write mahjong, etc. |
| 06:09.47 | absentia | I have like 75 tilesets.. etc. |
| 06:10.09 | cyn | I'm unfamiliar with worldMatrix - something to do with rotation and redrawing? |
| 06:10.14 | absentia | yup |
| 06:10.18 | absentia | under qt2, its not there |
| 06:10.30 | absentia | under qt3, I believe, QCanvasView ... |
| 06:10.38 | absentia | anyway, you can translate, rotate, sheer, etc... |
| 06:10.59 | absentia | so when you click, the mouseclicks have to go through the INVERSE of that. |
| 06:11.05 | cyn | right |
| 06:11.07 | absentia | otherwise, you're clicking all ove. |
| 06:11.20 | absentia | if you have python, I'll give you a link to my program.... |
| 06:12.10 | cyn | I have it on my desktop |
| 06:12.16 | cyn | heh |
| 06:12.49 | absentia | ya, ok, then ... get the canvas demo... its under the examples3 directory. |
| 06:14.03 | cyn | I'm confused - on spy.org? |
| 06:14.28 | absentia | do you have pyqt on your system ? |
| 06:14.42 | cyn | see you didn't specify pyqt :) |
| 06:14.48 | cyn | (though i suppose it was implied) |
| 06:15.17 | cyn | gimme 1 min |
| 06:15.56 | absentia | www.spy.org/tmp/e3.tar.gz |
| 06:15.56 | absentia | ok |
| 06:16.37 | absentia | untar that, look at examples3/canvas/canvas.py ... that's what I want to base all my zaurus code on, but it won't run under the z, because the z only has qt2... but I got it to work, minus most of the nice things in the "view" menu... which is ok. |
| 06:16.53 | absentia | well, some gui wasw implied, ya, I didn't specify pyqt . |
| 06:18.00 | cyn | haha class BouncyLogo |
| 06:18.24 | absentia | ? |
| 06:18.26 | absentia | where's that ? |
| 06:18.30 | cyn | its in canvas.py |
| 06:18.44 | absentia | did it run for you ? |
| 06:18.53 | cyn | no I'm just looking at stuff |
| 06:18.58 | absentia | ah |
| 06:19.05 | absentia | search for /mouse |
| 06:19.09 | absentia | er... "mouse" |
| 06:19.14 | cyn | nada |
| 06:19.15 | absentia | you'll see the inverseWorldMatrix() |
| 06:19.19 | absentia | in canvas.py |
| 06:19.23 | cyn | case sensitive :) |
| 06:19.24 | cyn | Mouse |
| 06:19.36 | cyn | QMouseEvent's mm |
| 06:19.43 | cyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.00 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.00 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.17 | absentia | e.pos() is the x/y |
| 06:20.23 | absentia | map goes through worldMatrix |
| 06:20.56 | cyn | bah debians python-qt3 errors on setup |
| 06:20.59 | absentia | and inverseWorldMatrix() undoes the normal output... map... so you can translate a click to the proper coords, so you can do something like canvas().collisions(point) |
| 06:21.08 | absentia | :-< |
| 06:21.20 | absentia | freebsd, cd /usr/ports... make install.. compiles source. |
| 06:21.23 | cyn | heh |
| 06:21.35 | cyn | so instead of waiting 2 mins to see an error I can wait 20 |
| 06:21.39 | absentia | if you like python.. and gui.. and qt.. .it's well worth it. |
| 06:21.50 | absentia | under freebsd? naw.. it compiles source! |
| 06:21.51 | cyn | I like python, I don't like requiring qt tho |
| 06:21.54 | absentia | I haven't had anything fail. |
| 06:22.04 | absentia | well, I want to write gui stuff for the z |
| 06:22.07 | cyn | right |
| 06:22.17 | cyn | ensuring qt is on a desktop isn't as trivial |
| 06:22.19 | absentia | if I subclass QPEApplication .. I get full screen like pda |
| 06:22.27 | absentia | if I just use QApplication, I get a little window... |
| 06:22.30 | absentia | that's kind of neat... |
| 06:22.54 | cyn | yah demo fails coz no module qt |
| 06:23.05 | cyn | unsurprising since it didn't fully install, tho the lib did |
| 06:23.21 | absentia | :-/ |
| 06:23.29 | absentia | get a real os? |
| 06:23.29 | absentia | :-) |
| 06:23.33 | cyn | have one thanks |
| 06:23.41 | cyn | my fake one's for games, call it 'windows' |
| 06:23.49 | absentia | agreed. |
| 06:23.57 | cyn | there's nothing about debian that prevents me from getting the source of this and compiling it myself |
| 06:24.09 | cyn | that includes using debian to grab customized build scripts and the original source |
| 06:24.14 | absentia | yup |
| 06:24.16 | cyn | I'm just not doing it :) |
| 06:24.35 | cyn | it's a user + 12:30 am problem |
| 06:24.45 | absentia | http://zaurusgps.zaurii.net/images/portable_mess.jpg |
| 06:24.49 | absentia | 1:30am |
| 06:24.52 | absentia | nyc time |
| 06:25.18 | cyn | hahaha |
| 06:25.21 | cyn | cute |
| 06:25.26 | absentia | heheh |
| 06:26.05 | cyn | his file describes some things to be aware of when building PyQt under Linux. |
| 06:26.05 | cyn | Broken Mandrake and Debian Qt Installations |
| 06:26.06 | cyn | Both Mandrake and Debian omit some of the style classes, particularly |
| 06:26.08 | cyn | QSGIStyle, QCDEStyle, QWindowsStyle and QMotifStyle, but don't make the |
| 06:26.12 | cyn | corresponding changes to the file $QTDIR/include/qconfig.h. |
| 06:26.21 | cyn | >:| |
| 06:26.42 | ljp | odd |
| 06:26.44 | cyn | so yeah the solution is to get the real source, or the deb-src - and make the proposed #define's |
| 06:26.50 | cyn | yeah that is odd |
| 06:27.23 | ljp | bastards thinking they can configure Qt the way they want it! |
| 06:27.54 | absentia | qt sucks... if you can get it to work, it's a miracle.... those trolltech people should all be shot. |
| 06:27.54 | ljp | I always install qt from the source packages from TT |
| 06:28.10 | ljp | heh, ya, shot with rum! |
| 06:28.19 | absentia | :-) |
| 06:28.21 | absentia | just kidding. |
| 06:28.28 | absentia | qt is great... just need to get qt3 on the zaurus |
| 06:28.29 | absentia | dammit! |
| 06:28.30 | ljp | no. you weren;t |
| 06:28.36 | absentia | yes, I was. |
| 06:28.38 | ljp | why? |
| 06:28.44 | ljp | qt3 isn;t ready for embeddedness |
| 06:28.58 | absentia | ya, I can wait. |
| 06:29.00 | cyn | resource hog ? |
| 06:29.03 | ljp | I hate that ';' key |
| 06:29.15 | ljp | it should be the "'" there.. but noooooooooo |
| 06:34.20 | cyn | thats right I setup pinning this weekend |
| 06:34.27 | cyn | I bet this is why it was screwy |
| 06:34.40 | absentia | pinning? |
| 06:35.35 | cyn | yeah its where you say "install stuff from testing. oh but if I want I want to be able to install specific stuff from unstable" |
| 06:35.54 | cyn | bugs.debian 39 days old says upgrade |
| 06:38.26 | cyn | now it works |
| 06:38.42 | absentia | ya? |
| 06:38.45 | absentia | neat, eh? |
| 06:38.47 | cyn | lotsa hex's |
| 06:38.57 | absentia | random start up stuff |
| 06:39.03 | absentia | you can click and drag |
| 06:39.05 | absentia | that's what I was after |
| 06:39.11 | cyn | err |
| 06:39.14 | cyn | i rotated it |
| 06:39.19 | cyn | and it still clips to the old edges |
| 06:39.26 | absentia | (although I wrote my own hex routine -- that's actually generic -- to add a polygon) |
| 06:39.27 | cyn | aka rotate then drag away to 'white' area |
| 06:39.32 | absentia | yes |
| 06:39.38 | absentia | that's fine. |
| 06:39.54 | absentia | you could make a canvas be later than the display, so it wouldn't do that |
| 06:40.07 | absentia | and then translate so you were actually in the middle of the canvas, instead of the upper left.. etc. |
| 06:40.10 | absentia | this is just a demo |
| 06:40.12 | cyn | haha create mesh |
| 06:40.14 | absentia | I like the zoom in. |
| 06:40.16 | absentia | yes |
| 06:40.19 | absentia | click on the red dots |
| 06:40.24 | absentia | add sprite |
| 06:40.27 | absentia | (not too many) |
| 06:40.43 | cyn | add sprite kicked me out |
| 06:40.51 | cyn | blank segfault |
| 06:40.57 | absentia | strange |
| 06:41.09 | absentia | do you have the butterfly image? |
| 06:41.09 | cyn | had 3 of these when it started (not at segf): QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image |
| 06:41.21 | absentia | clear the screen (file?) and then add image, etc. |
| 06:41.25 | cyn | just the Q logos and the hex's |
| 06:41.37 | absentia | ya |
| 06:41.41 | absentia | make sure you're in the pwd with canvas? |
| 06:41.50 | cyn | oh im not heh |
| 06:41.54 | cyn | i was 1 dir below |
| 06:41.54 | absentia | :-> |
| 06:42.02 | absentia | below? |
| 06:42.07 | cyn | ooooh pretty |
| 06:42.08 | absentia | examples3/canvas/ |
| 06:42.09 | absentia | be in there |
| 06:42.10 | cyn | scary child eyes |
| 06:42.16 | cyn | yeah i was in example3 |
| 06:42.16 | absentia | ya |
| 06:42.21 | absentia | you were one up |
| 06:42.22 | absentia | ok |
| 06:42.31 | absentia | ya, so now you can add sprite... add butterfly... |
| 06:42.44 | cyn | hah |
| 06:42.45 | absentia | just shows alpha... etc. add mesh, etc. |
| 06:42.56 | cyn | ya |
| 06:42.59 | cyn | fun stuff |
| 06:43.03 | ljp | anddont forget to add lollipop |
| 06:43.12 | cyn | ljp: ba-dum dum dum |
| 06:44.47 | absentia | so, anyway, the code runs on the z... just doesn't have the transformations (the zoom is the only one I miss) ... but when I run under qt3, I get them... same code... so I'm happy, etc. |
| 06:44.59 | absentia | that's all I wanted. |
| 06:45.12 | absentia | with click and identify polygon (or image) .. I can now make any program... |
| 06:45.34 | cyn | i gotta git, nite - cool stuffs to be had |
| 06:45.40 | cyn | mmmmm thematrixrotate |
| 06:46.00 | absentia | the first program I write in a language/gui is add hex click and drag.... etc. did it in perl+tk, java (where I wrote my own identify that was like 10,000 x faster than the java one) ... and now pyqt |
| 06:46.05 | absentia | night... |
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| 07:08.19 | absentia | heheh |
| 07:08.25 | absentia | potter wants a new device.... |
| 07:08.31 | absentia | are you part of the oz team ? |
| 07:10.56 | absentia | morn' |
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| 11:22.40 | Damion | hello |
| 11:24.22 | Damion | I don't suppose anyone here is based near Maidenhead,UK and has the newer clamshell zaurus devices ? I'd really like to see one as I might get one soon |
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| 14:57.21 | Damion | does anyone here have a sharp zaurus c7*0 (clamshell style) and live roughly near maidenhead, UK (like london) |
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| 16:02.46 | absentia | re |
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| 18:11.34 | kgbudz | does the zaurus 5600 have stereo mic or mono |
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| 19:16.26 | absentia | ya, it's sleeting here.... |
| 19:16.29 | absentia | was sunny just an hour ago |
| 19:17.46 | absentia | net says the weather is 49 and sunny |
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| 20:23.27 | absentia | heheh |
| 20:23.52 | absentia | my friend is gonna go pick up a mac laptop... and as he drives, he's gonna have his Z on... and he wants me to connect to his Z while he's driving... :-> |
| 20:25.00 | rev|lib | yo |
| 20:25.03 | rev|lib | heh |
| 20:25.09 | rev|lib | for what? |
| 20:25.14 | rev|lib | file sharing through SMB or ftp? |
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| 20:39.21 | rev|lib | yo |
| 20:49.26 | absentia | just testing |
| 20:49.31 | absentia | ok, I'm on his zaurus as he IMs me and drives. |
| 20:49.47 | rev|lib | hahaha |
| 20:49.51 | rev|lib | weirdos |
| 20:50.56 | absentia | heheh |
| 20:51.07 | absentia | he's doing 70 somewhere near st louis |
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| 20:58.39 | absentia | heheh |
| 20:58.41 | absentia | he's in a mac store now |
| 20:58.50 | absentia | I'm still logged into his z.... hmmm, his in.ftpd is missing. |
| 20:58.56 | rev|lib | doh |
| 20:59.03 | absentia | I should ftp from hi z to my z |
| 20:59.04 | absentia | and get it |
| 20:59.14 | rev|lib | i always thought it was ironic that the usbnet driver worked a lot better on OS X than it did on linu |
| 20:59.16 | rev|lib | x |
| 21:00.15 | absentia | heheh... he's in jc penny now. |
| 21:00.21 | absentia | he needs to get a webcam on the thing |
| 21:00.39 | absentia | people can sync the zaurus with a mac? |
| 21:00.46 | rev|lib | i don't think so |
| 21:00.48 | absentia | ah |
| 21:00.50 | W8TVI | whats he got? a cell modem? |
| 21:00.52 | rev|lib | but you can use usbnet for file transfer |
| 21:00.54 | rev|lib | BUT... |
| 21:00.57 | rev|lib | i think it is being worked on |
| 21:00.58 | rev|lib | after all |
| 21:01.06 | rev|lib | Mac OS X has a very badass system, iSync |
| 21:01.12 | rev|lib | a good framework for syncing |
| 21:01.22 | rev|lib | and there is a project or two for creating a plugin for the Z |
| 21:01.25 | rev|lib | hell |
| 21:01.33 | rev|lib | i know it works already, at least for the XML-based system |
| 21:01.37 | levi | I wasn't able to find an API for iSync in my cursory search of the Mac dev docs. |
| 21:01.43 | rev|lib | but not with newer Zaurus images |
| 21:01.58 | rev|lib | levi: my only work with it is through nSync, the newton plugin, so i'm no pro |
| 21:02.04 | rev|lib | and then it was doing more on the newton side |
| 21:02.22 | rev|lib | someone could get it syncing with OS X pretty easily with usbnet |
| 21:02.31 | rev|lib | it's a shame sharp had to change things up |
| 21:02.33 | rev|lib | it's like microsoft |
| 21:02.44 | rev|lib | changing the way everything works for every revision :P |
| 21:02.50 | levi | Yeah, that sucks. |
| 21:03.07 | levi | I've pretty much reverted to my Palm V for PDA duties, though. |
| 21:03.33 | levi | I was going to turn my Z into a datalogger for my car, but I haven't had time to do that and I've revived my laptop anyway. |
| 21:03.40 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 21:03.50 | rev|lib | when i still had my C760 i had to carry around it and my old Newton MP2000 |
| 21:03.54 | rev|lib | "reverted" to the newton |
| 21:04.01 | rev|lib | for some PDA stuff but largely notes |
| 21:04.16 | rev|lib | the Newton (and almost as good, PocketPC Notes app) is perfect for notes, amazing darn near |
| 21:04.44 | levi | The Palm OS calendar and addressbook just feel a lot nicer to me than the Z apps, and the Palm V is significantly smaller and easier to carry around. |
| 21:04.58 | ljp | paper is perfect for taking notes |
| 21:05.00 | rev|lib | yup |
| 21:05.03 | rev|lib | no |
| 21:05.07 | rev|lib | paper is far from perfect for notes |
| 21:05.09 | ljp | and the battery life is awesome |
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| 21:05.13 | rev|lib | "you can't grep a dead tree" |
| 21:05.17 | rev|lib | the batt life is awesome on the newton as well |
| 21:05.40 | levi | I may get a Treo 600 to replace my aging Palm V. |
| 21:05.48 | rev|lib | that'd be slick as hell |
| 21:06.06 | rev|lib | what's the res on those? |
| 21:06.13 | rev|lib | i'd love a nice little cell-connected PDA for the data stuff |
| 21:06.21 | rev|lib | but i need 480x320 at least |
| 21:06.33 | levi | It's standard PalmOS res, though not the hi-res of the newer ones. |
| 21:06.44 | vvff | I think some treos are 320x320... |
| 21:06.48 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 21:06.59 | vvff | I know there are 320x480 tungstens... |
| 21:07.02 | rev|lib | i was thinking it was, though for some reason i had a feeling it was lower |
| 21:07.11 | rev|lib | yeah, there are 320x480 tungsten t3 and some sony clies |
| 21:07.21 | absentia | rev: did you ever sell your kbd? |
| 21:07.27 | rev|lib | but then there is the second requirement, a less craptastic OS ;) |
| 21:07.29 | levi | There's plenty of screen real-estate for calendar and contact items, which is what I'm mostly concerned about. |
| 21:07.35 | rev|lib | but just as a PDA palmOS would be fine |
| 21:07.51 | rev|lib | provided i still had a WinCE (or linux again someday) device as my real computer |
| 21:13.11 | frobnoid | Have any of you guys run bochs on a zaurus? |
| 21:13.17 | absentia | no |
| 21:13.18 | rev|lib | heh no |
| 21:13.22 | absentia | I'd like to get a pc emulator, though. |
| 21:13.23 | rev|lib | i've no desire to punish myself |
| 21:13.26 | rev|lib | :) |
| 21:13.27 | vvff | :-D |
| 21:13.31 | absentia | I'd like to play some old dos games. |
| 21:13.31 | rev|lib | i've run PocketDOS on WinCE tho |
| 21:13.34 | rev|lib | to run Lotus Agenda |
| 21:13.46 | frobnoid | I'm wondering how slow it is. |
| 21:13.52 | vvff | On a Zaurus, though? Performance would be... |
| 21:13.52 | rev|lib | VERY |
| 21:13.53 | absentia | but bochs has a reputation for being unusably slow... on most slower cpu machines |
| 21:13.54 | rev|lib | beyond |
| 21:14.06 | rev|lib | bochs is almost unusable on my 2.4 ghz pc at work |
| 21:14.10 | absentia | imagine win2k on a 386/16 with 16 colors. |
| 21:14.14 | absentia | exactly. |
| 21:14.20 | absentia | I ran it on 1ghz and it was too slow to use |
| 21:14.21 | vvff | bochs is unusably slow no matter what your cpu speed is. ;-) |
| 21:14.21 | vvff | At least if you ask me... |
| 21:15.03 | vvff | Scary to even think of it on a Z. |
| 21:15.24 | rev|lib | heh |
| 21:15.25 | rev|lib | quite |
| 21:15.36 | rev|lib | what hapened to that DOS emulator? dosemu was it? |
| 21:15.38 | rev|lib | for lniux |
| 21:15.46 | vvff | Its still around. |
| 21:15.46 | rev|lib | did that use bochs or what x86 engine |
| 21:15.57 | rev|lib | could that be used on the Z for running dos games, or was it text only? |
| 21:15.59 | vvff | I think it was x86 only, though. |
| 21:16.07 | rev|lib | ahhh |
| 21:16.07 | rev|lib | ok |
| 21:16.09 | rev|lib | i bet |
| 21:16.13 | absentia | ya |
| 21:16.14 | absentia | it was |
| 21:16.22 | absentia | boch is a chip emulator in c++ too |
| 21:16.25 | levi | dosemu also had some non-X graphical emulators. |
| 21:16.43 | levi | I used to use it to run WP5.1 back in the day. |
| 21:16.47 | frobnoid | dosemu runs 1980s era games very nicely even on a weak x86 machine |
| 21:17.09 | absentia | I mostly wanna run ultimaI IV and stuff |
| 21:17.14 | rev|lib | frobnoid: w/ graphics? |
| 21:17.16 | absentia | wizaardry |
| 21:17.31 | frobnoid | yup |
| 21:17.35 | Disconnect | dosemu can run on non-x86: http://dosemu.sourceforge.net/docs/README-tech/1.2/cpuemu.html |
| 21:18.04 | frobnoid | you could run the snes version of wizardry or U4 on the zaurus |
| 21:18.10 | levi | I think, but I'm not sure, that I got descent to sort-of run in dosemu. |
| 21:18.28 | absentia | ok |
| 21:18.36 | Disconnect | oh nevermind, my bad |
| 21:18.37 | rev|lib | coo |
| 21:19.07 | Disconnect | x86 only, the cpuemu is just the 'wrapper' |
| 21:20.07 | absentia | steel panthers would also be fun to run |
| 21:23.48 | Disconnect | btw http://dosemu.sourceforge.net/docs/HOWTO/t1.html#AEN29 lists some ways to run stuff cross-arch (including wine on non-x86..) |
| 21:25.21 | frobnoid | I'm happy enough that the zaurus can run nes, snes and c64. thats enough too satisfy my all my non-office requirements |
| 21:25.30 | frobnoid | VPN I'm force to use is x86 only, unfortunately (sigh!) |
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| 21:26.52 | Disconnect | frobnoid: chances are its ipsec or pptp |
| 21:27.21 | frobnoid | I believe its pptp, but I've been unable to get it working with the freeware pptp tools on my desktop |
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| 21:31.32 | rev|lib | er |
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| 22:00.09 | rev|lib | two of my favorite things |
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