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| 00:20.12 | treke | rev. |
| 00:20.29 | treke | rev: Among other things I have Aliens and Alien 3 dvds sitting on my desk :p |
| 00:20.41 | rev | why alien 3? |
| 00:20.46 | rev | :) |
| 00:20.47 | rev | treke. |
| 00:20.59 | treke | rev: The person who is lending me Aliens brought it along also |
| 00:23.20 | absentia | re |
| 00:29.23 | rev | HEY |
| 00:29.25 | rev | ah cool |
| 00:31.22 | rev | sometimes i wish i was a speedfreak |
| 00:31.29 | rev | some times i get so jazzed up and want to code code code |
| 00:31.32 | rev | but only have two hands and one brain |
| 00:31.57 | treke | four days left till you promised you'd release :) |
| 00:32.04 | rev | shit man |
| 00:32.10 | rev | YOU ARE SO RIGHT |
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| 00:49.37 | rev | i can see my perfect scheduling app in my head |
| 00:49.40 | rev | why won't it come out |
| 00:49.57 | treke | code constipation |
| 00:50.07 | rev | truer than you know |
| 00:51.09 | rev | the new mario kart is out |
| 00:51.11 | rev | Q@#$! |
| 00:51.16 | rev | though i'm stuck at work til 10 |
| 00:51.21 | rev | while my roomates play it |
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| 01:30.59 | gerrynjr | rev> gamecube is for kiddies |
| 01:31.10 | rev | yeah right |
| 01:31.17 | rev | and macs are just for playing number crunchers |
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| 01:32.32 | gerrynjr | :-D |
| 01:32.34 | tux_mike | don't diz number crunchers |
| 01:32.36 | tux_mike | dis |
| 01:32.39 | rev | heh |
| 01:32.42 | gerrynjr | the gamecube really is a gaming mac |
| 01:32.49 | gerrynjr | it's got mac hardware in there |
| 01:32.53 | gerrynjr | the xbox is a pc |
| 01:32.59 | gerrynjr | and the ps2 is a god knows what |
| 01:33.40 | rev | yeah, gamecube is basically an older powermac |
| 01:33.49 | rev | but that isn't why we have one |
| 01:33.54 | tux_mike | um, no. the xbox is not a pc, and the gamecube is as close to a mac as a car is to a skyscraper |
| 01:33.57 | rev | althoug it isn't mine or my gf's but our other friend/roomate who lives here |
| 01:34.18 | gerrynjr | tux_mike> the xbox is x8 arch... |
| 01:34.19 | rev | a GC is relatively analogous to a mac |
| 01:34.20 | gerrynjr | thus a pc |
| 01:34.21 | rev | that is |
| 01:34.27 | rev | it may have fewer games |
| 01:34.27 | gerrynjr | x86 |
| 01:34.31 | rev | but the games for it tend to be better |
| 01:34.32 | rev | similarily |
| 01:34.37 | rev | there a lot more windows apps than mac apps |
| 01:34.43 | rev | but the mac apps tend to be better |
| 01:34.46 | rev | etc etc |
| 01:34.47 | gerrynjr | tux_mike> i'm going by architecture here :-D |
| 01:34.57 | rev | i don't care how many repetitive FPS games i could get for the xbox or ps2 |
| 01:35.03 | tux_mike | gerrynjr: a PC requires a bios and a certian system architecture, same with a mac. CPU does not equal Architecture |
| 01:35.03 | rev | and i'm not an RPG fiend so i don't need a ps2 |
| 01:35.05 | gerrynjr | rev> hmm, fewer linux games.. so linux games are better? |
| 01:35.18 | rev | gerrynjr: i didn't say fewer led to better... read what i said. |
| 01:35.19 | mase | hmm i use a mac too...dont have a problem wiht it |
| 01:35.21 | gerrynjr | tux_mike> xbox can run a pc version of linux... |
| 01:35.30 | gerrynjr | tux_mike> thus... xbox == pc |
| 01:35.30 | rev | gerrynjr: the mac- and GC- tend to have fewer *but* better games/apps |
| 01:35.48 | rev | tux you are taking him too literally |
| 01:35.52 | rev | he isn't saying a gc is a mac |
| 01:36.01 | rev | he isn't saying he could boot os x on it and plug in a vga monitor |
| 01:36.08 | tux_mike | you can't even say the gc is similar to it. |
| 01:36.08 | gerrynjr | exactly... |
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| 01:36.12 | gerrynjr | it is though |
| 01:36.19 | Nuster | hello guys |
| 01:36.25 | Nuster | I have one quick question |
| 01:36.30 | Nuster | can someone help me? |
| 01:36.39 | Nuster | it's about the media player |
| 01:36.40 | gerrynjr | although i'm not here for a pissing contest about what is analogous to what |
| 01:36.44 | gerrynjr | i'm going to study |
| 01:36.46 | gerrynjr | cianara |
| 01:36.54 | tux_mike | just because it has the same processor doesn't mean it's similar |
| 01:36.55 | Nuster | I was wondering what kinda of file |
| 01:37.01 | Nuster | does the player support? |
| 01:37.09 | tux_mike | my GPS has a i368 processor, does that make it a PC? |
| 01:37.09 | gerrynjr | tux_mike> _yes_ it does |
| 01:37.22 | gerrynjr | tux_mike> it makes it analogous to a pc |
| 01:37.28 | gerrynjr | it could run pc binaries... |
| 01:37.41 | gerrynjr | same arch :-D |
| 01:37.43 | rev | gerrynjr: it isn't worth it, drop it and let him nitpick something else that doesn't really matter :D |
| 01:37.59 | gerrynjr | rev> I intend on doing so.. b/c I need tro ace this next chem exam |
| 01:37.59 | rev | holy shit |
| 01:37.59 | rev | ! |
| 01:38.05 | gerrynjr | rev> what? |
| 01:38.06 | tux_mike | no you cant |
| 01:38.07 | rev | i can use a freaking USB HD on my sigmarion 3 |
| 01:38.08 | rev | wow |
| 01:38.16 | gerrynjr | rev> I can do that on my Z :-D |
| 01:38.18 | tux_mike | it wired directly to io ports |
| 01:38.34 | rev | gerrynjr: umm, not without buying an expensive USB host card... it's built in on the s3 |
| 01:38.38 | rev | there isn't such thing as "pc binaries" |
| 01:38.44 | gerrynjr | rev> x86! |
| 01:38.45 | rev | depends on the OS |
| 01:38.51 | rev | different ABIs etc |
| 01:38.53 | gerrynjr | asm.. whatever :-D |
| 01:38.55 | rev | there isn't just "one binary" |
| 01:38.58 | rev | same |
| 01:39.03 | rev | you can't just run a linux asm on windows |
| 01:39.07 | rev | or vise versa |
| 01:39.10 | gerrynjr | rev> low level asm! |
| 01:39.15 | rev | at least not without various converters like wine or something |
| 01:39.16 | gerrynjr | _really_ low level |
| 01:39.30 | rev | how do you run said mythical pc binary? |
| 01:39.31 | rev | :P |
| 01:39.41 | gerrynjr | rev> quit it.. I n eed to study.. |
| 01:39.45 | gerrynjr | you know what I meant |
| 01:39.45 | rev | then go |
| 01:39.48 | tux_mike | gerrynjr: system arcitectures still differ, making low level not compatable |
| 01:39.56 | rev | yeah |
| 01:40.05 | Nuster | hello |
| 01:40.11 | tux_mike | I can develop a system that uses a 386 chip that you could not use any of the ASM for it in a PC |
| 01:40.15 | gerrynjr | tux_mike> do tell then.. how mandrake can run on the xbox :-D |
| 01:40.19 | Nuster | anybody in mood to help me? |
| 01:40.24 | rev | Nuster: what is up? |
| 01:40.24 | gerrynjr | or.. debian |
| 01:40.30 | gerrynjr | or... gentoo |
| 01:40.38 | gerrynjr | with a very few patches |
| 01:40.52 | Nuster | what type of file does the media player in SL-5500 support? |
| 01:40.53 | gerrynjr | all they do is remap some registers... and bam |
| 01:40.54 | tux_mike | um, proper system drivers |
| 01:41.00 | tux_mike | proper architecture |
| 01:41.29 | gerrynjr | tux_mike> but.. it runs an x86 OS.. according to you an xbox isn't a pc thus cannot run apps assoacited w/ x86 or pc... |
| 01:42.20 | gerrynjr | the only reason xbox games will not run on a pc is b/c of libraries that were modified, and the game cds being encrypted.. they use a funky .xbe format, etc... |
| 01:42.38 | gerrynjr | anyway.. I have a hot date to study with.. |
| 01:42.41 | gerrynjr | so adios |
| 01:42.54 | rev | ciao |
| 01:43.23 | treke | gerrynjr: Not being a pc doesnt mean it isnt an x86 |
| 01:44.51 | treke | "the only reason xbox games wont run on windows is because they use different libraries and a different binary format" |
| 01:45.19 | treke | which is rather similar to saying "the only reason windows games won't run on linux is because they use different libraries and a different binary format" |
| 01:45.44 | rev | anyone know what file types the built-in media player on the sharp 3.10 rom supports? |
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| 03:11.39 | rev | boo |
| 03:11.47 | treke|laptop | boo? |
| 03:11.54 | ljp | poo |
| 03:12.01 | rev | !$!@$!! |
| 03:12.04 | rev | poo on j00! |
| 03:12.22 | treke|laptop | hmm. this probably doesnt work well |
| 03:12.25 | rev | ? |
| 03:16.35 | treke|home | I have two routers on this network |
| 03:16.39 | treke|home | both at 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:16.51 | treke|home | both running their own dhcp service over the same ip range |
| 03:17.22 | treke|home | needless to say, it doesnt work well |
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| 04:48.52 | imk | you mean the bathroom! |
| 04:49.00 | absentia | naw, she's inthere now. |
| 04:49.04 | imk | :D |
| 04:49.12 | absentia | anyone watch opra today? |
| 04:49.13 | absentia | rofl. |
| 04:49.17 | chouimat | absentia: go to bed and have fun |
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| 04:52.00 | rev | heh |
| 04:52.02 | rev | whoops |
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| 04:52.51 | AbsentiaZ | re |
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| 05:04.57 | treke|ho1e | hmmm. aliens picks up right where alien left off? |
| 05:07.10 | rev | well |
| 05:07.11 | rev | kind of |
| 05:07.12 | rev | not quite |
| 05:07.16 | rev | it is 70 years later |
| 05:07.30 | rev | but sure |
| 05:07.51 | treke|ho1e | 70 years later but she still has that 70s hair cut |
| 05:08.08 | rev | she was in cold sleep the whole time |
| 05:08.20 | rev | it's not like she changed with the times like everyone else |
| 05:08.58 | chouimat | night |
| 05:10.10 | treke|ho1e | the nurses should have done it |
| 05:10.42 | treke|ho1e | she's been through enough, doesnt need to see that in the mirror |
| 05:10.57 | rev | i don't think it looks bad |
| 05:11.14 | treke|ho1e | only down side is the sound is really low |
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| 05:29.27 | AbsentiaZ | aliens? |
| 05:29.42 | AbsentiaZ | hmmm, can't seem to save games with qboard! |
| 05:29.44 | AbsentiaZ | argh |
| 05:30.00 | treke|ho1e | AbsentiaZ: movie |
| 05:30.08 | AbsentiaZ | and it doesn't seem to learn from prior games like gnuchess normally does |
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| 05:37.46 | frogman | hey all...just a quick question. are the unstable packages fairly recent in openzaurus? |
| 05:38.13 | kergoth | the unstable feed is MIA, but generally yes |
| 05:39.14 | frogman | ok, thanks. I've just reinstalled after having the same openz rom on there. what feed would be best at this point in your opinion? |
| 05:39.32 | kergoth | there's only one option. |
| 05:39.56 | kergoth | testing is a symlink to unstable, which again, is MIA. someone with write access to the sf site seems to have deleted it |
| 05:39.59 | kergoth | :\ |
| 05:40.11 | frogman | I meant I;ve had the same openzaurus rom on there for awhile...so I forgot alot of the installation gotchas. |
| 05:40.56 | kergoth | gotchas? the only one i know of is the known, documented issue with fbvncserver / busybox mknod |
| 05:40.58 | frogman | ok, thanks alot for the info. it took me quite awhile to get this setup tonight |
| 05:41.05 | kergoth | np |
| 05:41.07 | treke|home | kergoth: I think unstable was about 4 or 5 months old :) |
| 05:41.16 | frogman | ok |
| 05:41.29 | kergoth | treke|home: heh, bipolar stopped updating it? |
| 05:41.44 | kergoth | given the state of buildroot, cant really blame him |
| 05:41.52 | treke|home | kergoth: the official firectory was such a mess it isnt even funny |
| 05:42.18 | kergoth | still is, really.. ought to wipe it out and start fresh with a new structure |
| 05:42.44 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 05:43.09 | kergoth | i mean, official/stable doesnt account for device or a whole lot of things it needs to. was too collie biased |
| 05:43.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:43.15 | AbsentiaZ | arghpppppp |
| 05:43.17 | AbsentiaZ | fuck |
| 05:43.24 | AbsentiaZ | gaim is unusable in irc |
| 05:43.31 | AbsentiaZ | 3 lines of text |
| 05:43.43 | AbsentiaZ | i scroll back to read and any out it jumps to the end |
| 05:45.48 | AbsentiaZ | hmmmm |
| 05:46.02 | AbsentiaZ | the z really needs a fully feawtured ches program |
| 05:46.22 | AbsentiaZ | anyone know if the source to qboard is available anywhere? |
| 05:46.38 | treke|home | probably not. the home page is long gone |
| 05:49.46 | AbsentiaZ | I just wonder if anyone grabbed the source... |
| 05:51.24 | treke|home | knights source should be easily available :) |
| 05:51.45 | treke|home | maybe backport some of the recent changes |
| 05:53.29 | AbsentiaZ | knights doesnt seem to be able to use gnuchess |
| 05:53.39 | AbsentiaZ | and the phalanx is far too weak |
| 05:54.27 | treke|home | knights upstream seems to do it :) |
| 05:54.32 | treke|home | backport away |
| 05:55.00 | AbsentiaZ | upstream? |
| 05:55.10 | treke|home | the knights authors |
| 05:55.22 | treke|home | the original version, not the qtopia port |
| 05:56.08 | treke|home | and mark has gnuchess on his home page for qtopia knights |
| 05:57.27 | AbsentiaZ | mark is the author? |
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| 08:50.51 | narowmind | anyone else notice that the testing and unstable feeds are missing ? |
| 08:51.17 | narowmind | missing from openzaurus.org |
| 09:01.24 | lpotter | yes. o one seems to know what happened to them |
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| 14:13.22 | absentia | morn' |
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| 14:33.17 | absentia | hello! |
| 14:33.18 | absentia | :-> |
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| 15:25.40 | Luke-Jr | Anyone know how to get 320x240 res from SL-C760? |
| 15:26.03 | Luke-Jr | since apparently that's the only res video will play at |
| 15:26.57 | Twiun | tap-and-hold on the application icon |
| 15:27.02 | absentia | with sharp roms |
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| 15:27.07 | absentia | tap and hold on the icon |
| 15:27.15 | Luke-Jr | application icon? |
| 15:27.19 | absentia | I guess you could always edit a/the .desktop file |
| 15:27.57 | Twiun | Luke-Jr: get hold of the fbset util, it's in the console-utils package I think |
| 15:28.13 | Twiun | that allows you to set the fb resolution |
| 15:28.44 | Luke-Jr | can't be done from MPlayer? |
| 15:29.16 | Twiun | try mplayer --help ;) |
| 15:29.36 | Twiun | there's ways of specifying such things, but I've never used it |
| 15:31.26 | Luke-Jr | fun... MPlayer is applying subtitles after it rotates the image for the Z... |
| 15:35.21 | Twiun | lol |
| 15:35.33 | Twiun | switch subtitles off? |
| 15:36.49 | Luke-Jr | shrug |
| 15:36.52 | Luke-Jr | then noone else can watch |
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| 15:37.37 | Twiun | sorry, you lost me there.... |
| 15:37.49 | Twiun | why can't they watch? |
| 15:39.28 | Luke-Jr | cuz it's not english |
| 15:40.08 | Twiun | Ahhhh |
| 15:40.52 | Luke-Jr | MPlayer seems to require a /etc/fb.modes |
| 15:42.46 | Luke-Jr | and I can't seem to find fbset |
| 15:43.19 | Twiun | not in console-utils? |
| 15:43.25 | Twiun | it certainly won't be installed by default |
| 15:44.07 | Luke-Jr | can't find console-utils either |
| 15:46.22 | Twiun | ah, sorry, util-linux |
| 15:58.08 | absentia | h0h0h0 |
| 15:58.15 | Luke-Jr | aren't I lucky the fbset ipk isn't valid? :/ |
| 16:00.11 | chouimat | morning |
| 16:01.00 | Twiun | Luke-Jr: tried expanding it instead of installing it? |
| 16:01.11 | Luke-Jr | Twiun: yes |
| 16:02.08 | Twiun | Luke-Jr: can't really help then, maybe you'll be able to use the one that will be built for the 3.3.5 OZ release? |
| 16:04.16 | Luke-Jr | why would that work any better? |
| 16:04.33 | Luke-Jr | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 16:04.55 | Luke-Jr | busybox-fbset_1.00-pre2-1_armv4l-xscale.ipk: Debian binary package (format 2.0 |
| 16:04.55 | Luke-Jr | data.tar.gz/ 1059892538 ) created: Sun Aug 3 06:35:38 2003 |
| 16:05.13 | Twiun | that's because that ipk is in ar format |
| 16:05.16 | Twiun | not gzip |
| 16:05.17 | Luke-Jr | ar? |
| 16:05.24 | Twiun | ar x somepackage.ipk |
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| 16:05.32 | Luke-Jr | o |
| 16:05.34 | Luke-Jr | that worked |
| 16:05.35 | ENG | have nay of you expereinced "screen anomalies"? |
| 16:05.38 | Luke-Jr | Z doesn't like it tho |
| 16:05.41 | Twiun | Luke-Jr: that's what the later versions of ipkg use, Sharp never upgraded theirs |
| 16:05.56 | ENG | ie... |
| 16:06.07 | ENG | a really bright 4 pixels.. white |
| 16:06.12 | ENG | bright white |
| 16:06.20 | ENG | then you turnm off the Z |
| 16:06.21 | Twiun | ENG: those are common hardware defects for LCD panels |
| 16:06.23 | ENG | and it moved |
| 16:06.27 | Twiun | oh? |
| 16:06.30 | ENG | Twiun, this is on the Z |
| 16:06.30 | Twiun | moved?? |
| 16:06.34 | Luke-Jr | ... the ipk contains only a symlink?? |
| 16:06.35 | ENG | yeah.. now it's gone |
| 16:06.43 | Twiun | Luke-Jr: yeah, that makes sense |
| 16:06.52 | Twiun | gerrynjr: dust perhaps? |
| 16:07.01 | gerrynjr | Twiun, no.. |
| 16:07.02 | Twiun | Luke-Jr: symlink to busybox most likely |
| 16:07.06 | gerrynjr | it was under the screen |
| 16:07.11 | gerrynjr | this was 4 pixels! |
| 16:07.27 | Twiun | gerrynjr: I have dust under my screen - it gets in there eventually |
| 16:07.37 | Twiun | those things aren't airtight ;) |
| 16:07.49 | gerrynjr | between the touchscreen and the screen? |
| 16:08.03 | Twiun | there too |
| 16:08.14 | Luke-Jr | @.@ |
| 16:08.14 | Twiun | there's several layers |
| 16:10.03 | Twiun | do you have a desktop pc to do man fbset on? |
| 16:10.34 | Twiun | Luke-Jr: actually: http://www.usefulcontent.org/manpages/?docType=man&parm=8%20fbset |
| 16:10.53 | gerrynjr | Twiun, odd.. very odd |
| 16:11.00 | Twiun | and out of experience, don't count on all those options to work... busybox doesn't usually do all those |
| 16:11.41 | gerrynjr | Twiun, this dust thing confuses me |
| 16:11.46 | gerrynjr | I was freaked out this morning |
| 16:11.59 | gerrynjr | I saw 4 dead pixels.. or so I thought |
| 16:17.45 | Luke-Jr | Twiun: doesn't tell me how to do anything useful, as none of the useful options are supported |
| 16:17.48 | Luke-Jr | >.> |
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| 16:21.26 | Twiun | Luke-Jr: no -xres or -yres? |
| 16:22.33 | Twiun | looking through the fbset.c code for busybox 1.00 and those are in there |
| 16:23.29 | Twiun | hmmm, or maybe not |
| 16:24.00 | Twiun | ahhh, it will have (at the very least): |
| 16:24.29 | Twiun | -fb, -db, -a, -i, -g, -t, -accel, -hsync, -vsync, -laced, -double, -n |
| 16:26.13 | Luke-Jr | ... are those at all useful? |
| 16:27.30 | Luke-Jr | hrr something is weird |
| 16:27.40 | Luke-Jr | it's typing out the screen slowly and suspend won't work or anything |
| 16:27.59 | Luke-Jr | tho SSH is working fine |
| 16:28.09 | Twiun | I'd say only -g would be useful... I believe the default behaviour with no args is to print out the info |
| 16:29.13 | Luke-Jr | -g requires more info than I know |
| 16:31.15 | Luke-Jr | it seems I need to tell Qtopia to use 240x320 somehow or they fight |
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| 17:59.10 | absentia | re |
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| 18:05.37 | absentia | http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=86&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 |
| 18:05.42 | absentia | X11 7x0 ROM from cacko |
| 18:06.06 | Twiun | cool... useless for me though |
| 18:08.11 | absentia | why? |
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| 18:14.28 | treke | Twiun: not useless for you |
| 18:14.32 | treke | Twiun: in theoruy |
| 18:15.20 | treke | Twiun: They were working on figuring out some of the hardware bits, it might be useful for your FB java target |
| 18:15.23 | Luke-Jr | Anyone know a way to either: 1) tell Qtopia to use 240x320; 2) tell Qtopia to stop using the fb for a bit |
| 18:15.49 | treke | QDirectPainter |
| 18:15.54 | Luke-Jr | ? |
| 18:15.57 | kergoth | heh, doesnt xmms-e already run mplayer in a sane fashion? |
| 18:16.05 | kergoth | like, isnt that the whole point of its existance? |
| 18:16.14 | Twiun | treke: eeh? I'll chat to you about that when I get home :) |
| 18:16.16 | Luke-Jr | xmms has nothing to do with mplayer AFAIK... |
| 18:16.29 | kergoth | Luke-Jr: wrong |
| 18:16.29 | absentia | tw: why is X11 based useless for you ? |
| 18:16.33 | kergoth | Luke-Jr: xmms-e uses it |
| 18:16.38 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: for what? |
| 18:16.53 | kergoth | dunno, never used it |
| 18:17.02 | treke | video woul dbe my guess |
| 18:17.10 | kergoth | yeh, most likely |
| 18:17.59 | Luke-Jr | so I should find xmms-e src... |
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| 18:22.05 | ][eBerg | Greetings |
| 18:22.24 | ][eBerg | anyone alive in here? |
| 18:22.27 | kergoth | no |
| 18:22.35 | ][eBerg | cool, I like dead ppl the best |
| 18:23.19 | ][eBerg | Im about to buy a 5500 to replace a 5000 that has been deead over a year now, is it possible to synch the zaurus with thunderbird? |
| 18:23.33 | ][eBerg | this is of course unless someone wants to give me a c760 |
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| 18:26.49 | Luke-Jr | and if I could get Qtopia to use 240x320, it really wouldn't matter |
| 18:26.50 | Luke-Jr | cuz MPlayer could just overwrite that part at the next frame |
| 18:27.41 | Luke-Jr | basicly I just want to disable Qtopia or tell it to use 240x320 >.> |
| 18:29.18 | Luke-Jr | eg as if I were to be running QtopiaGNUboy |
| 18:30.08 | treke | GNUBoy uses qt |
| 18:30.32 | ][eBerg | Im about to buy a 5500 to replace a 5000 that has been deead over a year now, is it possible to synch the zaurus with thunderbird on windows? |
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| 18:31.57 | Luke-Jr | treke: yes, but it causes Qtopia to change the res to 240x320 |
| 18:32.08 | Luke-Jr | treke: that's all I want it to do so it doesn't crash the system |
| 18:32.39 | Luke-Jr | qtopia trying to draw on 480x640 when the res is 240x320 == crash |
| 18:32.54 | Luke-Jr | qtopia trying to draw on 240x320 when res is 240x320 == draw |
| 18:44.52 | pat- | hi.i installed debian on my zaurus recently. but the problem is as soon as i install libc6 upgrade i can't use my modutils anymore. all commands report : QM_MODULES Function not implemented. so i can't install any additional software because almost everything depends on a libc6 upgrade. what can i do about this ? |
| 18:45.28 | treke | sounds like you need a newer modutils |
| 18:45.44 | pat- | hmm yes i tried to update it too |
| 18:45.50 | pat- | but it doens't work either |
| 18:45.54 | treke | or a newer kernel |
| 18:46.30 | pat- | i never build an arm kernel before |
| 18:47.05 | absentia | I think I did the lib6 upgrade |
| 18:47.08 | absentia | it took forever and a day. |
| 18:56.11 | ][eBerg | I take it that there isnt curently a way to synch it with thunderbird then |
| 18:56.37 | kergoth | ][eBerg: i havent heard of anything to do so yet |
| 18:56.41 | kergoth | ibot: nickometer ][eBerg |
| 18:56.42 | | '][eBerg' is 65.000% lame, kergoth |
| 18:56.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:57.01 | ][eBerg | it lies, I am much lamer than that |
| 18:58.03 | ][eBerg | Right now I have this crapy clie, it's about worthless |
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| 18:58.38 | ][eBerg | so it's between the Zaurs and a PocketPC since both can use pgp |
| 18:59.35 | ][eBerg | leaning towards the zaurs since I have a blown 5000 already means I have spare parts |
| 19:02.44 | mutexer | what OS do you use on your PC? |
| 19:03.03 | ][eBerg | IRIX on most machines, BSD on 2 and 1 runs winXP |
| 19:03.26 | mutexer | if your gonna be interfacing with winXP Id go with Pocket PC |
| 19:03.36 | mutexer | I like my pocket PC better due to a couple of things |
| 19:03.46 | mutexer | one being remote filemanager |
| 19:03.55 | mutexer | and easy syncing |
| 19:03.59 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:04.03 | kergoth | "remote filemanager" |
| 19:04.06 | kergoth | *cough*samba*cough* |
| 19:04.12 | mutexer | whatever youd call it |
| 19:04.18 | mutexer | I never could get the zaurus working with anything |
| 19:04.24 | ][eBerg | 00synching is pointless I dont run any synchable 00apps 01 |
| 19:04.28 | mutexer | QtopiaDesktop sucked |
| 19:04.31 | kergoth | with samba on the Z it shows up in network neighborhood. drag & drop away |
| 19:04.37 | ][eBerg | I use Thunderbird and firebird for about everything |
| 19:04.51 | mutexer | that with OpenZaurus? or any Zarus rom? |
| 19:05.01 | kergoth | mutexer: any |
| 19:05.14 | mutexer | I didnt even know samba existed for the Z |
| 19:05.15 | kergoth | added samba 3.0 to the new buildsystem for oe, so we'll have ipks of that |
| 19:05.22 | mutexer | the docs that come with the zaurus dont tell you crap |
| 19:05.28 | kergoth | i used it way back in the day, never got around to shipping it with it included for oz releases |
| 19:05.33 | kergoth | was always the plan though, for ease of use |
| 19:05.41 | kergoth | 5600/c7x0 use samba for syncing |
| 19:05.50 | kergoth | er SMB i should say, not sure if its samba specifically |
| 19:05.58 | ][eBerg | dont ever buy a clie, mine was free but I still hate it |
| 19:06.05 | mutexer | I had to use a CF card reader in linux to tranfer stuff to my Z.. and it was flakey |
| 19:06.16 | kergoth | usb-storage is very flaky |
| 19:06.19 | mutexer | from what Ive seen of the clies at work I wont |
| 19:06.35 | kergoth | mostly due to iffy usb storage adapters that need hacks, and the manufacturer doesnt tell anyone but the windows driver folks how to do it |
| 19:06.39 | ][eBerg | you cnat transfer .txt files to it w/o a memory stick |
| 19:06.41 | mutexer | I think Pocket Pcs and Zaurus are much nicer than anything running palm os |
| 19:06.45 | ][eBerg | how damn lame is that |
| 19:06.57 | ][eBerg | but you can write them to it from the apps on it |
| 19:06.58 | treke | kergoth: just think of how bad the usb-storage implementation on the 860 is going to be :) |
| 19:07.04 | mutexer | some of those clie are expensive.. there is one that is 700 bucks |
| 19:07.06 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:07.16 | kergoth | treke: usbd implementing it.. thats just scary |
| 19:07.28 | mutexer | the 860 have a USB port on it? |
| 19:07.40 | treke | mutexer: Client, just like on the 760 and the 5500 |
| 19:07.41 | kergoth | mutexer: its just like a c7x0. has a normal sharp i/o connector |
| 19:07.50 | mutexer | ah |
| 19:07.51 | ][eBerg | the problem with the pocketPC is getting one with a keyboard means about 400 bux compared to a 550 off ebay for 150-200 |
| 19:08.07 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:08.10 | mutexer | ATI makes something pretty cool for toshiba pocket PCs... adds VGA port, usb port.. and some other port to it |
| 19:08.37 | mutexer | I need to get one of the fold out keyboards for mine |
| 19:08.44 | ][eBerg | are there going to be US native C760/860's? |
| 19:08.45 | mutexer | it is a big pain typing on a pocket PC |
| 19:09.36 | ][eBerg | mostly I will need to be able to quickly enter text and have it stored pgp encrypted |
| 19:10.05 | kergoth | ][eBerg: OZ works on them, so language isnt a concern |
| 19:10.31 | ][eBerg | OZ? |
| 19:10.35 | mutexer | my only complaint with the zaurus other than the syncing was I dont like qtopia... hardware wise I love the Z.. lots of good stuff for a low price |
| 19:10.52 | kergoth | ][eBerg: openzaurus. alternative distribution |
| 19:11.00 | ][eBerg | ahh |
| 19:11.09 | ][eBerg | OZ has support for pgp? |
| 19:11.12 | kergoth | debian based, uses opie, supports a number of languages |
| 19:11.14 | kergoth | we have gnupg pakcages |
| 19:11.31 | mutexer | I should try OZ to see if it makes me like the Zaurus more |
| 19:11.32 | kergoth | now, randomness could be a concern due to the lack of randomness sources on a device like this |
| 19:11.34 | mutexer | the sharp rom sucks |
| 19:11.45 | kergoth | i dont think sharp sets SA_RANDOM on its interrupt sources |
| 19:12.27 | ][eBerg | gnupg is what I use with thunderbird so that would be excelant, were do I find these packages? |
| 19:12.53 | mutexer | does the Zaurus automatically work on the net once you plug it into cradle on windows? OI know you have to do a lot of setup on linux to get it working |
| 19:13.01 | mutexer | Ive never actually used it with windows |
| 19:15.07 | absentia | http://www.brighthand.com/article/Is_Microsoft_Still_Committed_to_Pocket_PC |
| 19:15.17 | absentia | microsoft losing interest in the pocket pc? |
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| 19:15.39 | absentia | haha! a nickometer! haven't seem that in ... shit... 6 years?! |
| 19:17.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 19:20.59 | absentia | http://www.hackles.org/cgi-bin/archives.pl?request=325 |
| 19:25.39 | Luke-Jr | Yay I figured out a workaround |
| 19:25.49 | Luke-Jr | treke: viewing an image fullscreen effectively stops the clock |
| 19:27.21 | absentia | stops the clock? |
| 19:27.25 | absentia | time stands still ? |
| 19:35.07 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 19:35.10 | Luke-Jr | but it's not visible |
| 19:35.17 | Luke-Jr | so it doesn't try to update the screen |
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| 20:02.25 | absentia | is killefiz.de/zaurus the only place to find zaurus software? |
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| 20:02.43 | absentia | handago ? |
| 20:03.07 | Twiun | killefiz is the most complete iirc |
| 20:03.12 | treke | absentia: There are other places,but killefiz has everything |
| 20:03.17 | absentia | ah, k |
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| 20:03.33 | absentia | I wish killefiz had a policy of keeping a local copy... cache... of things that it links to |
| 20:03.59 | Twiun | absentia: it might then also need to have a copy of the sources too, etc |
| 20:04.04 | Twiun | absentia: GPL and all that |
| 20:04.14 | absentia | tw: right, I'm looking for the source to qboard |
| 20:04.28 | absentia | I managed to find some posts and threads where someone said they had the binary. |
| 20:04.40 | absentia | I guess now i'll ask if anyone managed to grab the sources. |
| 20:05.02 | absentia | I wonder, does killfiz allow for mirroring ? |
| 20:05.11 | absentia | I'll hav eto ask'm next time he's 'round. |
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| 20:05.31 | conundrum | Reccomendations for a WiFi card? |
| 20:05.39 | absentia | not wcf12 |
| 20:05.48 | absentia | not linksys wcf12 |
| 20:05.51 | conundrum | The linksys? I thought it worked well. |
| 20:06.05 | kergoth | i've heard of issues with the wcf12, and some with the dlink 660 |
| 20:06.09 | kergoth | other than that, take your pick |
| 20:06.19 | absentia | I have a linksys wcf12 ... i've never managed to see it working |
| 20:06.20 | kergoth | if you can afford it, go for the socket/symbol |
| 20:06.22 | conundrum | Yea, my 660 died on me. |
| 20:06.27 | absentia | I have a dlink 660w, it seems to work everywhere all the time. |
| 20:06.34 | conundrum | lol |
| 20:06.54 | conundrum | Socket is the lowest power consumption of any of them? |
| 20:07.07 | absentia | but doesn't socket have driver issues for kismet and stuff? |
| 20:07.18 | absentia | although, granted, i've never managed to get kismet going. |
| 20:07.21 | conundrum | Wellenrieter seems pretty compatibke. |
| 20:07.23 | absentia | or wellenreiter. |
| 20:07.33 | conundrum | *compatible. |
| 20:07.42 | conundrum | Have you tried all the configs? |
| 20:10.24 | kergoth | conundrum: from what i've heard, symbol/socket are the best wrt power consumption |
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| 20:33.41 | Luke-Jr | Can I hide/show the Qtopia taskbar w/ qcop? |
| 20:37.13 | absentia | schilling [3]> socksify wget http://docs.zaurus.com/downloads/ipkg-build.sh |
| 20:37.18 | absentia | er, uh.. sorry. |
| 20:37.47 | kergoth | socksify? proxier? |
| 20:38.17 | absentia | LD_PRELOAD / LD_LIBRARY_PATH wrapper ... so any program can use socks, the program doesn't have to be compiled to use socks (ireclty) |
| 20:38.36 | absentia | very nice. |
| 20:38.53 | kergoth | ah, sounds like transconnect, been using that one myself |
| 20:39.08 | kergoth | transconnect is for http proxies though, not socks |
| 20:39.34 | absentia | ah |
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| 20:40.33 | kergoth | kind of annoying though, doesnt do dns resolution through the proxy, since the proxy is tcp, no udp traffic will get out |
| 20:40.42 | kergoth | so i have to add host after host to my hosts file |
| 20:40.43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:41.31 | ][eBerg | are there any 11g cf cards yet? |
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| 20:43.37 | absentia | ker: I know the feeling. |
| 20:44.26 | kergoth | absentia: apparently glibc has a flag in its name resolution structure to use tcp for resolution, but i cant get it to work |
| 20:44.46 | absentia | my co worker was doing something strange ... with a wget, or something... that was going to his same box, so it came up as localhost, but then the wget was socksified (he had an env var) so the wget was run on the SOCKET server, and then localhost was THAT box... he was puzzled why telnet, wget, ftp to "localhost" got another box, instead of his box, etc... |
| 20:44.48 | absentia | heheh |
| 20:44.56 | kergoth | hah |
| 20:45.03 | Luke-Jr | qcop QPE/Application/clock 'hide()' <-- any way to do what I'm trying to do? |
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| 20:46.35 | Luke-Jr | (tho I don't mind hiding the entire systray or taskbar) |
| 20:46.39 | rev|lib | well |
| 20:46.45 | rev|lib | there should be |
| 20:46.50 | rev|lib | although i've found qcop to be flaky at best |
| 20:46.55 | rev|lib | that is, i can usually do one or two comands |
| 20:47.11 | rev|lib | but then the whole qcop system (at least via the CLI) stops working, spitting out the same error no matter wahat |
| 20:47.19 | rev|lib | i don't know the command |
| 20:47.25 | rev|lib | probably can't hide it |
| 20:47.29 | rev|lib | but you could kill it |
| 20:47.35 | rev|lib | and have it run again when you need it |
| 20:47.42 | rev|lib | but on the zaurus it probably takes like 10 seconsd :/ |
| 20:47.44 | Luke-Jr | the image viewer's fullscreen thing hides it somehow o.o |
| 20:47.49 | rev|lib | ah |
| 20:47.54 | rev|lib | weird |
| 20:48.00 | rev|lib | i am looking at some weird japanese webpage |
| 20:48.01 | rev|lib | and get this |
| 20:48.10 | rev|lib | soem guy has phone |
| 20:48.15 | rev|lib | a flip-tye phone |
| 20:48.24 | rev|lib | and the bottom flippy part is a PCMCIA card in disguise |
| 20:48.28 | kergoth | i've never had problems with qcop myself |
| 20:48.33 | rev|lib | so yopu plug it into your pda and bam you have cell data access |
| 20:48.35 | rev|lib | kergoth: realyl? |
| 20:48.39 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: can the taskbar/clock be hidden? |
| 20:48.45 | kergoth | Luke-Jr: dunno. read the code |
| 20:48.48 | kergoth | rev|lib: yep |
| 20:48.50 | rev|lib | i was trying to do some automation (alt-tab equiv with qcop and opie-sh) and it would die on me |
| 20:49.00 | rev|lib | it'd be fine again after a reboot |
| 20:49.03 | Luke-Jr | rev|lib: Z don't have PCMCIA |
| 20:49.04 | rev|lib | but pattern would repeat |
| 20:49.07 | kergoth | mickey bound a key combo to a Console_Next, you know |
| 20:49.15 | rev|lib | Luke-Jr: it is the concept that counts |
| 20:49.18 | Luke-Jr | heh |
| 20:49.18 | kergoth | for vt switching via a key combination |
| 20:49.21 | kergoth | which is pretty spiffy |
| 20:49.23 | rev|lib | Luke-Jr: do you live in japan? |
| 20:49.28 | Luke-Jr | rev|lib: some company made a PDA that *was* a PCMCIA card =p |
| 20:49.32 | rev|lib | Luke-Jr: cuz if not you cuoldnt' use this anyway... it's just the idea thati s cool |
| 20:49.33 | Luke-Jr | rev|lib: not yet |
| 20:49.37 | rev|lib | Luke-Jr: yeah, my friend has one |
| 20:49.39 | rev|lib | although he broke it |
| 20:49.48 | rev|lib | since he didn't have a PC |
| 20:49.52 | Luke-Jr | @.@ |
| 20:49.59 | rev|lib | i would put it in my jornada, synci t there, and export his data for him :P |
| 20:50.04 | rev|lib | http://www.hamkumas.net/yokomuki/osusume/jornada720/image/611s.jpg |
| 20:50.19 | rev|lib | it'd be neat if one had a small cell that could clip into the CF slot like that, not sticking out so much though |
| 20:57.57 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: TrollTech's FTP server appears to be broken ATM |
| 20:58.14 | conundrum | Anyone in here got opie mediaplayer working? |
| 20:58.29 | Wintre | luke: Can you ping it? |
| 20:58.37 | Luke-Jr | Wintre: I can connect |
| 20:58.40 | Luke-Jr | Wintre: It just doesn't work right |
| 20:58.51 | Wintre | Configure your FTP client for passive FTP |
| 20:59.16 | Wintre | Try wget with --passive-ftp |
| 20:59.53 | Luke-Jr | all this just to find a command ;) |
| 21:03.44 | conundrum | Does anyone know why opie media player won't work? |
| 21:03.50 | Luke-Jr | Are you usign Opie? |
| 21:04.01 | conundrum | Yes. |
| 21:04.14 | conundrum | And all the dependancies have been satisfied. |
| 21:04.50 | Luke-Jr | tried running it in a console? |
| 21:05.06 | conundrum | Hrmm, no good idea. |
| 21:09.21 | conundrum | I installed to SD, what directory should i be looking for it in? |
| 21:10.09 | conundrum | Nevermind, found it. |
| 21:13.12 | absentia | ok, compiling eboard on the ipaq cluster for zaurus |
| 21:13.16 | absentia | hope it works |
| 21:16.20 | conundrum | How do I run mediaplayer from a console? |
| 21:16.41 | conundrum | I realize thats a basic *nix question, but I can't find the file. |
| 21:16.49 | conundrum | I installed to SD. |
| 21:18.45 | absentia | ;/c |
| 21:18.56 | conundrum | ? |
| 21:19.32 | conundrum | dont you mean ./ |
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| 21:44.02 | ApolloDS | Hello all |
| 21:45.41 | ApolloDS | Someone who knows how to update openzaurus here ? |
| 21:46.15 | kergoth | "update openzaurus"? |
| 21:46.26 | MG_Tak | hi kergoth |
| 21:46.27 | ApolloDS | is there a newer release available as 3.2? |
| 21:46.29 | kergoth | well, you cant easily right now, the unstable feed is MIA |
| 21:46.35 | kergoth | there are unofficial images available |
| 21:46.36 | kergoth | nothing official |
| 21:46.40 | MG_Tak | MIA..? |
| 21:46.50 | kergoth | ibot: mia |
| 21:46.51 | | rumour has it, mia is missing in action |
| 21:46.54 | ApolloDS | where can I find the "unoffical" images? do you know? |
| 21:47.04 | MG_Tak | where'd it go? or do you mean you're still doing the change over to OE? |
| 21:47.10 | kergoth | MG_Tak: it was accidentally rm -rf'd |
| 21:47.28 | kergoth | someoen needs to try a buildroot build to get it at least partially populated to hold people over till the transition is done |
| 21:47.31 | MG_Tak | that's somewhat counterproductive.. |
| 21:47.44 | kergoth | the plan is to release 3.3.5 to hold people over in the next week or two |
| 21:47.52 | kergoth | then complete the transition and release 3.5.1 |
| 21:47.58 | kergoth | then release 3.6 stable |
| 21:48.08 | kergoth | (odd are devel/testing, even are stable) |
| 21:48.45 | ApolloDS | ok, so wait a little bit longer for 3.6 stable :-) |
| 21:49.00 | kergoth | 3.6 will be 2-3 months out at least. |
| 21:49.05 | kergoth | 3.3.5 in a week or two |
| 21:49.09 | kergoth | 3.5.1 in a month or two |
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| 21:49.25 | ApolloDS | will be there an info on openzaurus.org or other page? |
| 21:49.29 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:49.31 | kergoth | "an info"? |
| 21:49.38 | kergoth | when a release occurs, announcements go out |
| 21:49.41 | ApolloDS | if 3.3.5 is out. |
| 21:49.42 | kergoth | on all the lists, as well as on the news page |
| 21:50.01 | ApolloDS | Sorry for the silly questions. I'm a new user of zaurus. |
| 21:50.15 | ApolloDS | I know very well linux but not very good the zaurus 5500G I own now. |
| 21:50.25 | ApolloDS | With WLAN it's just great! |
| 21:50.42 | ApolloDS | (Even with Kismet) :-) |
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| 22:00.43 | MG_Tak | there's no OZ 5600 ML? |
| 22:01.00 | treke | No there isnt. |
| 22:01.10 | ApolloDS | what is ML? |
| 22:01.13 | treke | there is no OZ for 5600 yet. |
| 22:01.45 | MG_Tak | precisely why I wouldn't really want to be on the OZ list |
| 22:01.52 | MG_Tak | since it won't be relevant for a while |
| 22:02.35 | treke | kergoth: I have enough junk on my hard drive to do a very basic feed |
| 22:02.50 | treke | same goes for mickeyl I think |
| 22:03.19 | kergoth | MG_Tak: most applies to all devices |
| 22:03.27 | kergoth | OZ isnt that different between different devices |
| 22:03.50 | treke | only 3 packages or so besides the kernel |
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| 22:17.59 | MG_Tak | kergoth: I'm sure, but I don't really want to switch to OZ until there's an official release for 5600, which is the announcement I'd be waiting for, |
| 22:19.09 | kergoth | well, being aware of whats going on doesnt mean you're ready to make the move, just preparedness |
| 22:19.21 | MG_Tak | true |
| 22:19.28 | MG_Tak | what's the output? |
| 22:22.23 | gerrynjr | kergoth> ever see a white bug between the diggitizer and the screen? |
| 22:22.32 | gerrynjr | kergoth> the Z I won has one |
| 22:22.36 | kergoth | dots of dust are pretty common |
| 22:22.40 | kergoth | they're sealed inside the container |
| 22:22.41 | gerrynjr | I thought it was 4 dead pixels at first |
| 22:22.43 | kergoth | nothing to be done about it |
| 22:22.45 | gerrynjr | no... it's bug |
| 22:22.49 | gerrynjr | it moves! |
| 22:22.52 | gerrynjr | it has legs |
| 22:22.54 | kergoth | haha |
| 22:22.57 | kergoth | never seen that |
| 22:23.45 | W8TVI | gerrynjr: take a piciture of it |
| 22:23.47 | gerrynjr | kergoth> so the screen is sealed shut? |
| 22:23.51 | kergoth | gerrynjr: yep |
| 22:23.54 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 22:23.56 | gerrynjr | kergoth> no air gaps? |
| 22:23.59 | ChipX86 | I want to see that |
| 22:24.00 | gerrynjr | lmao.. this is funny shit |
| 22:24.02 | gerrynjr | hmmm |
| 22:24.04 | kergoth | not to my knowledge |
| 22:24.07 | gerrynjr | lemme see if I can get a camera |
| 22:24.19 | kergoth | any dust particles there are generally shifted around, but were inside as shipped |
| 22:24.26 | kergoth | but who knows |
| 22:24.35 | gerrynjr | kergoth> so.. you've taken the apart and can vouh for the sealed-ness? |
| 22:24.40 | gerrynjr | vouch |
| 22:24.50 | W8TVI | I've taken apart two of them |
| 22:25.04 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> and the digitizer and the screen are sealed? |
| 22:25.05 | W8TVI | there is a way of something getting in there |
| 22:25.12 | gerrynjr | freak! |
| 22:25.13 | W8TVI | its in the back |
| 22:25.13 | gerrynjr | gah! |
| 22:25.30 | gerrynjr | well.. the Z is in a ziplock pouch now |
| 22:25.34 | gerrynjr | it's a white bugg |
| 22:25.40 | gerrynjr | no loarger than a pencil head |
| 22:25.42 | gerrynjr | larger |
| 22:25.58 | W8TVI | you can see the back of the LCD thrugh this hole |
| 22:26.12 | gerrynjr | hmmm |
| 22:26.13 | gerrynjr | odd |
| 22:26.26 | gerrynjr | the bloody thing is crawling in between |
| 22:26.58 | gerrynjr | my camera sucks, so i'll see if I can get it |
| 22:27.02 | gerrynjr | i'll point it out w/ gimp |
| 22:27.34 | gerrynjr | fuck, it moved! |
| 22:27.58 | gerrynjr | i guess I need to wait for it to move back into view now |
| 22:28.22 | gerrynjr | this is giving me the eeby jeebies |
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| 22:29.51 | gerrynjr | well, whatever it is, it's either a) making dead pixels or b) laying little eggs |
| 22:30.03 | gerrynjr | bastard bugs |
| 22:30.17 | kergoth | haha, that scuks |
| 22:30.22 | gerrynjr | and.. my dog is clean, she does not have fleas.. and my room is clean.. and i'm a clean person |
| 22:30.27 | gerrynjr | so I couldn't get the buggers here |
| 22:30.41 | gerrynjr | figures.. i get something cool, and it gets infested |
| 22:31.52 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> see how lucky you are, winning that 5000D |
| 22:31.57 | gerrynjr | i'd check it for bugs though |
| 22:32.05 | W8TVI | its clean |
| 22:32.10 | W8TVI | no dust in side |
| 22:32.12 | gerrynjr | I thought mine was |
| 22:32.13 | W8TVI | :) |
| 22:32.21 | gerrynjr | it looked clean from the outside |
| 22:32.24 | gerrynjr | but.... |
| 22:32.31 | gerrynjr | I guess not |
| 22:33.14 | Luke-Jr | Any way to change volume from SSH? XD |
| 22:33.29 | kergoth | install a console volume setting app like aumix ors omething |
| 22:33.38 | gerrynjr | Luke-Jr> does the Z have anti-bug software :-D |
| 22:33.44 | gerrynjr | and will that work on real physical bugs? |
| 22:33.47 | gerrynjr | hehe |
| 22:34.00 | Luke-Jr | gerrynjr: XD |
| 22:34.37 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: nothing by default tho? |
| 22:34.48 | kergoth | nope |
| 22:36.29 | jdh41 | deos xmms-e not have stuff you cna do from the command line? |
| 22:39.39 | gerrynjr | figures, I want to get a pic of the damn thing... |
| 22:39.44 | gerrynjr | and it walk into the corners |
| 22:39.46 | kergoth | jdh41: doubt it |
| 22:42.25 | absentia | re |
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| 22:44.52 | gerrynjr | It's a mite! |
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| 22:47.07 | gerrynjr | a dust mite to be exact |
| 22:47.15 | kergoth | hah |
| 22:48.20 | jdh41 | hmm, it was just killed |
| 22:48.21 | treke | circular depends? |
| 22:48.50 | jdh41 | let me check |
| 22:49.16 | kergoth | oebuild doesnt care about depends :) |
| 22:49.20 | kergoth | set OEDEBUG=1 or something |
| 22:52.10 | jdh41 | setting that, the output doesn't differ from a build of a package which doesn't hang |
| 22:52.23 | jdh41 | the last line is DEBUG: CONF conf/${MACHINE}.conf: file not found |
| 22:52.56 | kergoth | does it ever get to running a task? |
| 22:52.59 | kergoth | or hangs at parse time? |
| 22:53.14 | jdh41 | I think its hanging at parse time |
| 22:53.30 | jdh41 | it doens't claim to run any tasks, and I cna't notice any appearing in top |
| 22:53.34 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 22:55.44 | gerrynjr | my camera sucks |
| 23:14.13 | gerrynjr | pics taken! |
| 23:16.25 | gerrynjr | i'm gonna use gimp to circle the bugs and i'll pu thtm on my server |
| 23:16.28 | gerrynjr | then you guys can hit them |
| 23:17.28 | jdh41 | is there anyway to persuade vim to show all the chars in the file, incl hidden ones |
| 23:17.36 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.41 | treke | fuck |
| 23:17.44 | jdh41 | the problem seems to be being caused by an invisible character in the .oe file |
| 23:17.58 | kergoth | jdh41: ahh.. doh |
| 23:18.11 | kergoth | our parser isnt exactly tolerant of oddities |
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| 23:21.21 | jdh41 | kergoth: maybe that wwasn't the problem |
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| 23:21.44 | jdh41 | I now have two files with teh same md5sum one of which works, the other doesnt |
| 23:21.52 | kergoth | heh, filenames are..? |
| 23:22.39 | jdh41 | they're tst_alsalib_0_9_8.oe and alsa-lib/tst_glib_1.2.10.oe |
| 23:22.47 | jdh41 | it doens't cache info does it |
| 23:24.19 | gerrynjr | http://www.blueimpulsestudios.com/images/mite.jpg |
| 23:24.26 | gerrynjr | the image sucks.. but it gets the job done |
| 23:26.36 | gerrynjr | that small dot is the flea |
| 23:26.40 | gerrynjr | er.. mite |
| 23:26.58 | gerrynjr | I colored the screen black so it would show up |
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| 23:31.01 | W8TVI | your too close |
| 23:31.12 | W8TVI | the camera should have a macro |
| 23:32.36 | gerrynjr | it doesnt |
| 23:32.44 | gerrynjr | it's an old kodak dc200 |
| 23:32.54 | gerrynjr | no zoom |
| 23:33.05 | gerrynjr | i'm calling up sharp... for shits |
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| 23:37.18 | W8TVI | gerrynjr: macro is not a zome |
| 23:37.21 | W8TVI | zoom |
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| 23:37.24 | usal | hello all has anyone gotten the sharp CEG-A06 model to work if so how |
| 23:37.51 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> calling sharp now... |
| 23:38.01 | gerrynjr | :-D |
| 23:38.25 | W8TVI | with my olympus c700uz you run the thing zoomed all the way out |
| 23:39.23 | gerrynjr | not this 6 yr old digi-cam |
| 23:39.45 | W8TVI | gerrynjr: you should still be able to get a good picture with it |
| 23:39.47 | usal | oh the model is sl5500 |
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| 23:47.42 | W8TVI | gerrynjr: http://the-collective.net/~kb8sjt/zaurus/zaurus.jpg |
| 23:48.33 | MEME|work | is there a pcmcia adaptor for sl5500? |
| 23:48.43 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> WTF is that? |
| 23:49.13 | W8TVI | MEME|work: just get a cf -> pcmcia adapter |
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| 23:49.21 | W8TVI | gerrynjr: dust |
| 23:49.24 | MEME|work | hmm |
| 23:49.29 | gerrynjr | hmm, my dad offered to trade for his beaten.. semi used model |
| 23:49.41 | gerrynjr | beaten.. or as sharp called it "infestation" |
| 23:49.46 | gerrynjr | and.. "infestation |
| 23:49.47 | gerrynjr | " |
| 23:49.53 | gerrynjr | is not covered under warranty |
| 23:50.24 | W8TVI | lol |
| 23:50.51 | Taekero | gerrynjr: beh, even mine has dust specs below the touch screen layer |
| 23:50.57 | jdh41 | :) |
| 23:51.25 | gerrynjr | this _isnt_ dust |
| 23:51.30 | treke | pretty much all pdas have it |
| 23:51.40 | gerrynjr | treke> it's a mite.. |
| 23:51.43 | gerrynjr | it walks around |
| 23:51.57 | treke | ha |
| 23:52.02 | gerrynjr | eating the dust off the screen.. making time white specs as it walks |
| 23:52.03 | ChipX86 | dust particles always walk around! It's what they do. |
| 23:52.12 | gerrynjr | ChipX86> it has legs! |
| 23:52.21 | gerrynjr | I saw it through my magnifying glass |
| 23:52.22 | gerrynjr | it's a mite |
| 23:52.26 | W8TVI | gerrynjr: yeah, right |
| 23:52.35 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> I _know_ it's a bug |
| 23:52.36 | MEME|work | rofl |
| 23:52.39 | gerrynjr | it walks around |
| 23:52.41 | ChipX86 | nah, your magnifying glass is just broken. I'm going to contradict it regardless! |
| 23:52.43 | MEME|work | i can't find an adaptor |
| 23:52.55 | ChipX86 | seriously though, that sucks, but that's also really funny :/ |
| 23:52.58 | gerrynjr | hmm, should I trade for my fathers beaten up unit? |
| 23:53.04 | gerrynjr | ChipX86> you see the link? |
| 23:53.06 | MEME|work | overwhelmed by cf-to-pcmcia adaptors when i want the other way around |
| 23:53.11 | gerrynjr | the pic sucks.. but it gets the point across |
| 23:53.13 | ChipX86 | gerrynjr: not yet |
| 23:53.21 | gerrynjr | http://www.blueimpulsestudios.com/images/mite.jpg |
| 23:53.34 | ChipX86 | I can barely see anything |
| 23:53.35 | gerrynjr | it leaves behind some other white specks.. |
| 23:53.39 | gerrynjr | they are either a) eggs |
| 23:53.47 | ChipX86 | b) dust droppings |
| 23:53.48 | gerrynjr | or b) dead pixels it's making |
| 23:54.01 | gerrynjr | c) mite shit |
| 23:54.09 | W8TVI | c |
| 23:54.19 | kergoth | you have mite shit in your zaurus. thats funny |
| 23:54.20 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> lmao |
| 23:54.21 | MEME|work | d) aliens? |
| 23:54.32 | gerrynjr | kergoth> glad you find it funny kergoth :-D |
| 23:54.35 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:54.40 | gerrynjr | b/c i'm not to happy |
| 23:54.41 | W8TVI | its damn funny! |
| 23:55.01 | gerrynjr | according to sharp "infestation" or that act of an animal crawling into the "unit" is not covered under warranty |
| 23:55.01 | ChipX86 | have you tried tapping the mite? |
| 23:55.05 | gerrynjr | that is what they told me! |
| 23:55.14 | treke | try a mitor saw |
| 23:55.16 | gerrynjr | ChipX86> yeah.. I tried killing it that way |
| 23:55.29 | gerrynjr | I'll end up[ breaking the display if I pressed any harder |
| 23:55.36 | gerrynjr | and yes.. I played a game with the thing.. |
| 23:55.41 | gerrynjr | if I tap it.. it turns around |
| 23:55.43 | gerrynjr | it's funny |
| 23:55.44 | gerrynjr | lmao |
| 23:55.45 | kergoth | its like, xbill |
| 23:55.47 | kergoth | but living |
| 23:55.50 | ChipX86 | drown it out with bright lights. They'll either die, or mutate into hideous green creatures that terrorize the PDA screen. I don't remember which. |
| 23:55.52 | gerrynjr | exactly! |
| 23:56.04 | gerrynjr | ChipX86> gremlins! |
| 23:56.21 | gerrynjr | ChipX86> it slwoed down when the camera's flash hit it |
| 23:56.34 | W8TVI | gerrynjr: keep flashing it |
| 23:56.44 | Taekero | haha |
| 23:56.46 | MEME|work | fright light smay damage the display |
| 23:56.48 | kergoth | and screw DIE DIE DIE |
| 23:56.49 | kergoth | er |
| 23:56.50 | kergoth | scream |
| 23:56.56 | MEME|work | s/fright/bright/ |
| 23:57.06 | ChipX86 | imagine if there were two in there.. and they met and started to cuddle! |
| 23:57.23 | MEME|work | are't they asexual? |
| 23:57.24 | W8TVI | MEME|work: the zaurus it ment to work in the sun |
| 23:57.38 | jdh41 | does oebuild cache stuff in a db at the moment, if so where is it? |
| 23:58.00 | kergoth | jdh41: nope, everybody reparses the data |
| 23:58.02 | kergoth | slow, but works |
| 23:58.28 | ChipX86 | MEME|work: are you against mite cuddlage? |
| 23:58.46 | MEME|work | im a hater! |
| 23:59.17 | W8TVI | I would send this to bash.org but its too long |
| 23:59.20 | treke | might as well wait till it works right before worrying about fast |
| 23:59.41 | ChipX86 | W8TVI: there's plenty of material to work iwth |
| 23:59.48 | W8TVI | trru |
| 23:59.55 | Taekero | crap, it looks like i gotta setup a cross compiling environment again... need to attempt to cross compile gnokii without bluetooth |
