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| 01:41.08 | aTypical | hello all. |
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| 01:45.14 | gerrynjr | nevermind :-D |
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| 03:41.03 | chouimat | night |
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| 05:05.05 | mithro | anyone here have a korean version of the Zaurus? |
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| 06:55.40 | ominae | anyone able to get there zaurus to sync using qtopia desktop and redhat 9 |
| 07:06.06 | ominae | anyone around |
| 07:06.33 | mithro | i use multisync |
| 07:07.10 | ominae | ok |
| 07:07.34 | ominae | now here's the problem, my linux box detects the zaurus but i can't ping it |
| 07:08.19 | ominae | what rom is your zaurus running |
| 07:10.21 | ominae | hello |
| 07:11.06 | mithro | oz |
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| 14:18.09 | it0 | hi, i want to buy a zaurus, and i am dubbing between the 5500 and the 5600. I want to use it for wi-fi and gps. What would you recommend, i read that battery live is much better on the 5600 as well? |
| 14:20.48 | it0 | i never understand why a room filled with people, don't talk to each other |
| 14:22.08 | it0 | ? |
| 14:22.17 | Pendalar | lack of coffee |
| 14:22.24 | Pendalar | or a higher level drug |
| 14:22.44 | it0 | you need drugs to talk to other people? |
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| 14:23.04 | Pendalar | it helps |
| 14:23.14 | Pendalar | but yes 5600 has a better battery |
| 14:23.29 | Pendalar | that's about the only perk to it |
| 14:23.42 | it0 | but it's a big perk |
| 14:24.00 | Pendalar | I agree |
| 14:24.13 | it0 | as it's battery is twice as big does it mean that it lasts twice as much? |
| 14:24.15 | Pendalar | not sure it's worth the cost though, you could get another batt for the sl5500 |
| 14:24.41 | Pendalar | good theory but usually it doesn't play out like that.. but I don't have both models to compare |
| 14:24.50 | Pendalar | I'd rather have 2 batts for sl5500 and a charger |
| 14:24.51 | it0 | which one do you own? |
| 14:24.54 | Pendalar | always have a fresh one |
| 14:24.59 | Pendalar | sl550 at the moment |
| 14:25.19 | it0 | are there specific things that you are happy/unhappy with? |
| 14:25.48 | Pendalar | I was unhappy with the sharprom and sharp's handling of my wcf11 CF |
| 14:25.56 | Pendalar | switching to OZ fixed both problems |
| 14:26.11 | Pendalar | as far as the device itself... I would like longer battery life |
| 14:26.24 | Pendalar | and internal speaker/mic would be nice |
| 14:26.30 | Pendalar | which I think the sl5600 has |
| 14:26.39 | it0 | how much time do you get while using wi-fi? |
| 14:27.15 | Pendalar | I have a high drain wi-fi CF so that + full backlight == 45 minutes |
| 14:28.07 | it0 | that's .. not much, i was reading a comparison between linksys, smc and a special low power one and they all 2-3 hours |
| 14:29.11 | Pendalar | no I chose badly, it was cheap =-x |
| 14:29.27 | Pendalar | I'd get a socket one if I could |
| 14:29.42 | Pendalar | you were probably reading a comparision with the linksys wcf12, I have a wcf11 |
| 14:30.30 | it0 | i know there exists sd accesories as bluetooth and digi cam's , would they work with the z? |
| 14:30.54 | Pendalar | I think the phrase is 'not yet' but not 'impossible' |
| 14:31.21 | Pendalar | it's recent devices which hardly no one sells, or cares about |
| 14:31.35 | it0 | the upcomming 6000 is also nice with usb host and such , but it's too expensive for me |
| 14:31.44 | Pendalar | in the end you'll want to use the sd/mmc slot for memory and leave it in there all the time (unless you get more than one) |
| 14:31.52 | Twiun | I still prefer the clamshell design |
| 14:31.53 | Pendalar | and use CF for devices and extra memory as needed |
| 14:32.05 | Twiun | give me a 6000 in a c7x0 formfactor and I'll buy ;) |
| 14:32.29 | Pendalar | yep |
| 14:32.32 | it0 | what does the 6000 have over the c7x0 ? only usb host? |
| 14:32.41 | Pendalar | but I can live without usb host |
| 14:32.52 | Pendalar | I mean seriously it'd be hell to get devices to work with it |
| 14:33.09 | Twiun | but that usb light on thinkgeek! |
| 14:33.20 | Pendalar | I'm sure I could just hook up a usb zip drive and magic.. |
| 14:33.27 | it0 | why would that be a problem the kernel already supports a lot of usb things |
| 14:33.28 | Pendalar | dude that's why god invited the backlight |
| 14:33.50 | Twiun | Pendalar: backlight's good, but not great if you need to see the keys |
| 14:33.56 | Pendalar | it0 the PDA kernels are a little non standard in some ways, I'm sure you'd end up building your own |
| 14:34.06 | Pendalar | Twiun: you still need to see the keys? ;-) |
| 14:34.45 | it0 | is building kernels for the Z more scary then when behind your pc ? |
| 14:34.53 | Twiun | Pendalar: I sure ain't going to touch type on that keyboard |
| 14:35.15 | Pendalar | it0 it's not any more scary, just a lot of things are a 'work-in-progress' |
| 14:35.30 | Twiun | it0: only a bit more... it's building whole images that gets tricky |
| 14:36.02 | it0 | pendalar: do yo still feel there is enough support for it ? I got a palm IIIe gathering dust, not to mention my NGPC |
| 14:37.00 | Pendalar | like I said, when I loaded it up the first time with an old version of the SharpROM, I was a bit disappointed |
| 14:37.15 | Pendalar | had to hack this or that config file to get crap that should have worked automatically |
| 14:37.35 | Pendalar | but newer versions of SharpROM are better of course, and OZ beside that as a choice |
| 14:37.50 | Pendalar | so basically I had a beef with the OS, not the device |
| 14:38.23 | it0 | from what I read , oz only recently became usable, tkc rom seems to be good as well, but ofcourse I don't know the difference |
| 14:39.11 | it0 | pendalar/twiun: did you have an other pda before this one? |
| 14:39.30 | Pendalar | oz has undergone a lot of work over the last year, and there's been heavy improvements .. but I wouldn't say the old versions were flaky |
| 14:40.10 | Pendalar | palm pilot->casio e10 (I think)->Palm IIIx->Palm IIIc->Palm m505->sharp sl5500 |
| 14:40.46 | it0 | pendalar: so you didn't like the casio? What made you switch from palm? |
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| 14:40.59 | Pendalar | well the pilot didn't do much ;-) |
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| 14:41.20 | Pendalar | and the casio seemed to be able to do more in theory, but it was constant reset after another |
| 14:41.40 | Pendalar | I couldn't stand it long, about 2 months |
| 14:42.00 | Pendalar | it could in theory do more than the Palm IIIx, but if it constantly crashes, what does it matter? |
| 14:42.16 | Pendalar | it's an unusable feature |
| 14:42.28 | Pendalar | Palm was stable, for whatever it managed to do |
| 14:43.17 | Pendalar | I switched from Palm to Zaurus because at the m505 point there was very few if any that were able to use the internet without the cradle, or bulky addon (which was $150) IF you could find it |
| 14:43.40 | Pendalar | I wanted to program and use the internet via the PDA, PalmOS at the time sucked for both |
| 14:43.49 | Pendalar | it was a glorified organizer |
| 14:44.29 | Pendalar | linux is always good too =-x |
| 14:44.45 | Pendalar | I have to run, my son is yelling 'me! food! eat! food!' |
| 14:44.50 | Pendalar | annoying to only be 2 yrs old |
| 14:44.58 | Pendalar | =-{ |
| 14:45.04 | Pendalar | bbl |
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| 14:49.09 | it0 | pendalar: thanks for the information, and i hope he doesn't throw up on you ;) |
| 14:49.17 | it0 | you to twiun! |
| 14:49.19 | it0 | cya |
| 14:56.33 | mountainman | Anyone know of a free syntax highlighting editor for the Zaurus? |
| 14:58.34 | Twiun | tinyKate does syntax highlighting, as does vim |
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| 15:32.30 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:46.36 | absentia | re |
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| 17:11.33 | treke|laptop | hey mickey|home |
| 17:11.38 | mickey|home | nevening |
| 17:11.45 | mickey|home | or 'morning |
| 17:11.45 | mickey|home | ? |
| 17:12.05 | treke|laptop | morning here. I probably evning there. or late afternoon |
| 17:12.20 | mickey|home | yeah, 18:12 local time |
| 17:12.37 | mickey|home | good to see your commits, btw. |
| 17:12.57 | treke|laptop | yeah. Wanted a working head :p |
| 17:13.13 | treke|laptop | I've got a list of ipks that arent generated at home, but most of the remaining ones are the games. |
| 17:13.51 | mickey|home | maybe we shouldn't bother converting them to quicklaunch or should we? |
| 17:14.31 | Twiun | can quicklaunched apps gracefully quit if memory is low? |
| 17:14.53 | Twiun | palm-like behaviour |
| 17:15.14 | treke|laptop | Twiun: ? |
| 17:16.15 | Twiun | or am I thinking of fastload here? |
| 17:16.22 | treke|laptop | your are thinking fastload |
| 17:16.39 | mickey|home | fastload is no longer needed when all apps are quicklaunch |
| 17:16.55 | Twiun | ah. good. what's quicklaunch's behaviour then? |
| 17:16.59 | treke|laptop | nah, It's still much faster to use fastload |
| 17:17.06 | Twiun | apps maintain state when dead? |
| 17:17.08 | mickey|home | there are bugs atm. when fastloading quicklaunch applications |
| 17:17.13 | mickey|home | no idea if tt works on that |
| 17:17.17 | treke|laptop | ah |
| 17:17.54 | mickey|home | Twiun: no. tell us more - how's it on palm? I'm not familiar with any palm os |
| 17:20.18 | treke|laptop | mickey|home: Only problem I noticed with head was that it rendere everything smaller than BRANCH_1_0. So omething was missed in the merge |
| 17:20.38 | Twiun | mickey|home: neither am I ;) just what I observe on my Palm V |
| 17:21.01 | mickey|home | treke: right. i noticed that also. i would have expected harlekin which is the one most familiar with libqpe to help merging |
| 17:21.12 | treke|laptop | on palmos only one app is running at a time |
| 17:21.14 | mickey|home | treke: because that is done in QPEApplication |
| 17:21.33 | treke|laptop | mickey|home: qpeapplication not merged? |
| 17:21.46 | Twiun | treke|laptop: right, but startup times are fast, they just feel like they're backgrounded |
| 17:22.10 | mickey|home | treke: it is... kind of. dunno, i didn't do it. XavierXeon did it. Maybe he overlooked something. |
| 17:22.21 | treke|laptop | Twiun: They aren't linux C++ apps |
| 17:22.40 | Twiun | treke|laptop: I know, I know, but still |
| 17:22.52 | Twiun | treke|laptop: couldn't we fake that, at least behaviourally? |
| 17:23.08 | treke|laptop | Twiun: that's what fastload does |
| 17:23.18 | treke|laptop | it starts the stuff in advance to fake it |
| 17:23.33 | mickey|home | once we convert to gcc3 with prelink the whole issue is a non-issue. quicklaunch + prelink is nearly as fast as it's get. |
| 17:23.35 | Twiun | treke|laptop: no, that's won't cut it, that just wastes ram |
| 17:23.57 | treke|laptop | Twiun: You get what you can get. |
| 17:24.03 | Twiun | treke|laptop: just make apps able to restart from stored state |
| 17:24.07 | treke|laptop | even gcc3+prelink is noticiably slow |
| 17:24.20 | mickey|home | you tried? |
| 17:24.27 | treke|laptop | Twiun: Your not listening. It's not the stored state, it's actually starting the application. |
| 17:24.31 | Twiun | treke|laptop: not complaining about opie mind, these are usability ideas |
| 17:24.46 | treke|laptop | Twiun: Starting the application is freaking slow |
| 17:24.51 | treke|laptop | mickey|home: Yeah, tried it a while back. |
| 17:25.01 | treke|laptop | mickey|home: It's much better than now, but still feels slow. |
| 17:25.38 | Twiun | treke|laptop: let's back up a sec. ok, the app is slow, but if it was able to be killed and restarted from a previous state you could kill the oldest loaded app - never mind about the slow startip |
| 17:25.55 | Twiun | s/startip/startup |
| 17:26.25 | mickey|home | Twiun: that essentially just needs session-aware applications. we could do that |
| 17:26.45 | treke|laptop | Twiun: What I'm saying is that the slow down isnt in the applications init process, it's the process of actually getting the binary off the filesystem, linking it as necessary , and starting running. |
| 17:27.50 | treke|laptop | Twiun: saving state would slow things down, instead of switching to a currently active app you'd have to go through the load process again |
| 17:28.37 | Twiun | treke|laptop: only if the app you wanted had fallen off the currently loaded stack of apps |
| 17:28.38 | absentia | re |
| 17:28.50 | treke|laptop | Twiun: right. |
| 17:28.53 | Twiun | treke|laptop: you only need to save state if you're about to be removed |
| 17:29.17 | treke|laptop | What is removing going to accomplish for us? |
| 17:29.18 | Twiun | treke|laptop: but yes, I understand the slowdown incured loading from the fs+linking |
| 17:29.35 | Twiun | more ram for the app the user is just starting up |
| 17:29.49 | Twiun | you're probably thinking of 128mb ram systems. I still have a 5000d |
| 17:30.28 | Twiun | treke|laptop: essentially, I'd like to get away from the concept of users having to close apps they've finished with |
| 17:30.47 | Twiun | treke|laptop: let the system garbage collect it when necessary |
| 17:30.54 | Disconnect | its -hard- but doable. |
| 17:31.02 | Twiun | Disconnect: on what device? |
| 17:31.07 | Twiun | Disconnect: I can do it easily |
| 17:31.11 | Disconnect | konq did it to me at least once, load a large image-heavy page (in my case, dailystrips page) .. |
| 17:31.12 | Disconnect | c760 |
| 17:31.22 | Twiun | Bah. see what I mean? |
| 17:31.41 | Twiun | the 5000d only has 32mb of ram compaired to your 128 in the c760 |
| 17:31.51 | treke|laptop | the c760 only has 64 mb of ram |
| 17:31.57 | Disconnect | also, at least sharp's version of quickload caused opiereader to prevent umounting of cf if the currently-reading item is on cf.. |
| 17:32.06 | Disconnect | yah 64 IIRC. 128 flash. |
| 17:32.09 | Twiun | treke|laptop: I'm not saying make the gc strategy compulsary, but at least optional |
| 17:32.20 | Twiun | Disconnect: ah, my bad, sorry |
| 17:32.38 | Disconnect | so being able to optionally push apps off the stack would also be very useful. (even if its a control-panel applet) |
| 17:32.40 | Twiun | mickey|home: yes, sessionable apps would be interesting |
| 17:33.12 | Twiun | there's also the advantage of recovery on power failure |
| 17:33.18 | mickey|home | then again... if we want to have more powerful computing we might just use a more low-level GUI API sparing resources and better written applications . . . |
| 17:33.22 | Twiun | nevermind about system suspend |
| 17:33.36 | Twiun | mickey|home: hmmm |
| 17:33.50 | mickey|home | <cynical/> |
| 17:33.51 | mickey|home | ;) |
| 17:33.58 | Twiun | ahhh |
| 17:34.12 | Twiun | thought you were being serious |
| 17:34.15 | mickey|home | nah not really |
| 17:34.51 | mickey|home | <--- python zealot. I like high level computing with reasonably comfortable APIs |
| 17:35.10 | mickey|home | s/comfortable/rich |
| 17:36.04 | mickey|home | I would - however - like to see what a Zaurus can do if directly programmed in Assembler without using an OS |
| 17:36.32 | treke|laptop | raster has some nice examples of what a zaurus can do :) |
| 17:36.44 | mickey|home | but he's still using framebuffer.... |
| 17:36.48 | mickey|home | which is inherently slow in 2.4 |
| 17:36.58 | mickey|home | 2.6 is a lot better |
| 17:37.11 | mickey|home | (in this regard, but also otherwise) |
| 17:37.20 | Twiun | right, time for me to head home... |
| 17:37.24 | Twiun | bbl |
| 17:37.26 | mickey|home | c'ya later |
| 17:38.30 | mickey|home | treke: I have seen it on SIMpad. On 800x600 Qt/E is _really_ slow. Just having kernel 2.6 on it makes an observable difference - that is without accellerated drivers or stuff |
| 17:39.20 | mickey|home | s/hopes/dreams |
| 17:39.34 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 17:39.52 | treke|laptop | hopefully we can eventually get 2.6 and SD for the c760 :p |
| 17:40.02 | mickey|home | yeah |
| 17:40.09 | mickey|home | 2.6 seems less of a problem than SD... |
| 17:40.16 | treke|laptop | otherwise it doesnt do me a whole lot of good :p |
| 17:40.41 | mickey|home | hehe, i know - i remember our last discussion about to-SD or not-to-SD :) |
| 17:43.06 | treke|laptop | wouldnt be a problem if sharp had the forethought to use sleeves :p |
| 17:43.29 | fliplap | i'm not a big fan of sleeves |
| 17:43.36 | fliplap | another thing to break |
| 17:46.39 | mickey|home | prelink just alters the binaries or does it infer with the loader/startup code anyway? |
| 17:46.51 | mickey|home | (in libc) |
| 17:49.19 | treke|laptop | better than it was last time I tried prelink and gcc3 |
| 17:49.42 | mickey|home | good :) |
| 17:49.45 | treke|laptop | about 3 seconds to load the calendar |
| 17:49.54 | mickey|home | without quicklaunch. |
| 17:49.55 | mickey|home | ? |
| 17:50.01 | treke|laptop | wih quick launcht |
| 17:50.07 | mickey|home | oh. |
| 17:50.14 | treke|laptop | this is just branch_1_0 built against gcc3 |
| 17:50.24 | mickey|home | hmm.... 3 seconds is not good enough. |
| 17:50.55 | treke|laptop | pretty much everything is about 3 seconds |
| 17:51.43 | treke|laptop | which compared to palmos is horridly slow :p |
| 17:55.53 | treke|laptop | anyone want to take bets on how bad suspending while prelink is running will be? |
| 17:55.54 | Disconnect | what about giving each quicklaunch app the option of drawing itself to a virtual framebuffer window, which is then just 'painted' over the screen when it goes active? that'd cut "load time" down as low as possible. (at the cost of some ram..) |
| 17:56.14 | Disconnect | ..or rather, some -more- ram .. |
| 17:56.42 | mickey|home | problem is loading / relocating time, not (only) drawing time |
| 17:56.42 | Disconnect | quicklaunch preloads it into memory, yes? |
| 17:56.47 | treke|laptop | no |
| 17:56.49 | mickey|home | at the point of drawing, the application is already loaded |
| 17:56.59 | Disconnect | ah. hrm... |
| 17:57.12 | Disconnect | so quicklaunch is just prelink.. |
| 17:57.26 | Disconnect | (or s/just/mostly/..?) |
| 17:57.34 | mickey|home | yeah |
| 17:57.38 | mickey|home | could describe it that way |
| 17:58.04 | mickey|home | prelink qte/qpe libraries because these are already resolved when loading shared objects as opposed to complete applications |
| 17:58.59 | Disconnect | hrm. what about a 'quickerlaunch' that gets the app into cache and tries to keep it there? (hrm. I have a vague thought on something like MLOCK that can lock a vm segment..?) |
| 17:59.48 | Disconnect | so I can say "quicklaunch [all this crap] but keep [cal/addy/notepad] in memory constantly so it launches when I need it.." |
| 18:00.27 | Disconnect | (and just an fyi, if you got OZ/opie down to 3 seconds that beats the fsck out of cacko/sharp most of the time.. I ended up with 8-10s on a calendar launch the other day, but generally its more like 5s..) |
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| 18:02.24 | mickey|home | treke: i found it |
| 18:02.24 | treke|laptop | found what? |
| 18:02.26 | mickey|home | for the c7x0, we need to set OPIE_HIGH_RES_SMALL_PHY in custom-sharp.h |
| 18:02.31 | treke|laptop | ah |
| 18:02.47 | mickey|home | this is zecke's clean up |
| 18:03.07 | treke|laptop | commit and I'll do a new build :p |
| 18:03.09 | mickey|home | so we have to take custom-sharp.h and make that custom-sharp.<model> |
| 18:03.11 | mickey|home | nono |
| 18:03.20 | mickey|home | create a custom-sharp.c7x0 |
| 18:03.24 | mickey|home | or so |
| 18:03.52 | chouimat | mickey|home: is opie compilable? |
| 18:04.06 | mickey|home | chouimat: ? |
| 18:04.26 | chouimat | nm |
| 18:04.26 | mickey|home | depends on your compiler, your target architecture, etc... :D |
| 18:04.31 | mickey|home | (sure it compiles) |
| 18:04.31 | treke|laptop | no, I'm going to do a new build of something that doesnt compile |
| 18:04.35 | mickey|home | (HEAD is in a reasonable state) |
| 18:04.45 | mickey|home | heeh |
| 18:04.58 | mickey|home | s/heeh/hehe |
| 18:05.00 | Disconnect | erg. it just occurred to me. there's no "upgrade path" from sharp -> opie, now that sharp uses DTM.. doh. hurry up with those reasonably-working c760 images ;) ;) |
| 18:05.16 | chouimat | mickey|home: ok it's what I wanted to know ... |
| 18:05.37 | mickey|home | Disconnect: well... the upgrade path will be a converter from DTM to our new SQlite based backend |
| 18:05.49 | mickey|home | (if PIM data is what you're concerned about) |
| 18:05.55 | chouimat | mickey|home: I will update to OZ-Opie-1.02 then |
| 18:05.58 | treke|laptop | mickey|home: looks like it's down to 2 seconds |
| 18:06.07 | Disconnect | yah, since everything else has to be reinstalled anyway pim is the only critical bit. |
| 18:06.10 | mickey|home | treke: getting there.... not bad. |
| 18:07.35 | treke|laptop | mickey|home: where is sdmgr supposed to be? :p |
| 18:07.41 | mickey|home | where ? |
| 18:07.42 | mickey|home | sdmmc-tools |
| 18:07.50 | treke|laptop | no, what directory |
| 18:07.54 | mickey|home | ah. |
| 18:07.58 | mickey|home | ./usr/sbin afaik |
| 18:08.02 | treke|laptop | bm |
| 18:08.47 | mickey|home | actually, there are around 10 places where opie & qtopia could be optimized. that would improve the overall feel also |
| 18:09.14 | treke|laptop | Where? |
| 18:09.40 | mickey|home | we have a lot of polling interfaces which should be substituted with an event system |
| 18:09.50 | mickey|home | example: cardmon, wireless applet |
| 18:10.04 | mickey|home | also the doc tab still takes too many resources. |
| 18:10.10 | mickey|home | everything done there is tweaking |
| 18:10.14 | mickey|home | more or less without thinking |
| 18:11.01 | mickey|home | under the hood also, in the qws window system there can be things optimized |
| 18:11.05 | mickey|home | without sacrifying flexibility |
| 18:11.22 | mickey|home | but you know.... |
| 18:11.23 | mickey|home | time. |
| 18:11.27 | mickey|home | motivation. |
| 18:11.29 | mickey|home | etc. |
| 18:11.33 | Disconnect | for minimum change, couldn't cardmon be triggered with pcmcia insert/remove scripts? (just -USR1 it to cause it to rescan) |
| 18:12.04 | mickey|home | Disconnect: yes something along the lines would be a good start. a simple qcop interface |
| 18:12.14 | mickey|home | would do |
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| 18:13.32 | mickey|home | problem... QTimer is there and it works. People often don't bother if it seems to work for them :( |
| 18:14.43 | mickey|home | you rarely find someone getting the big picture. but then again, that's only possible if one devotes enough time to understand the system. and not everyone has or is willing to spend that time. se we end up with lots of resource wasting applications. |
| 18:16.01 | treke|laptop | did you tell it toview the file as html? |
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| 18:21.22 | Disconnect | yep. |
| 18:21.28 | Disconnect | it catches most of it. |
| 18:21.59 | Disconnect | (using the 'beta' off his page - the 'stable' one is even worse, half the time) |
| 18:22.53 | Disconnect | straight html ebooks from baen free library, too. gonna try piping them through plucker to see if that works better. (my larger annoyance is the fact that it doesn't process links in html mode.) |
| 18:30.52 | MG_Tak | does anyone actually use tomcat? |
| 18:32.02 | Disconnect | (hrm. plucker turned &151; into "?;" .. gurgle.. but at least the links work now. so thats a start.) |
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| 18:52.54 | mickey|bbl | MG_Tak: in how far? |
| 18:54.27 | treke | agree with kergoth? on what topic? |
| 18:57.11 | rev|lib | yarrr |
| 18:57.31 | treke | yo rev |
| 18:57.39 | treke | rev|lib: finally going to see alien tomorrow |
| 19:00.25 | rev|lib | i wish |
| 19:00.29 | rev|lib | although |
| 19:00.39 | rev|lib | i didn't know it was one of those small release -> big release things |
| 19:00.43 | MG_Tak | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.46 | rev|lib | when i checked it wasn't playing here at all |
| 19:01.12 | treke | rev|lib: I meant I was going to see it :p |
| 19:01.16 | rev|lib | i know |
| 19:01.20 | rev|lib | i'm fantasizing |
| 19:01.22 | treke | rev|lib: One theater in the area is playing one showing a day |
| 19:01.25 | rev|lib | i saw aliens in a 72 mm re-release a few years back that owned |
| 19:01.28 | rev|lib | ah wow |
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| 19:01.41 | treke | they had more, but matrix 3 bumped it out |
| 19:01.42 | rev|lib | when i looked last there were NO theaters in this whole freaking state with it! |
| 19:01.44 | rev|lib | ah |
| 19:01.46 | rev|lib | funk that |
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| 19:15.28 | mickeyl_ | hmmm |
| 19:15.29 | mickeyl_ | http://www.brighthand.com/article/Fujitsu_Demos_SVGA_Prototype |
| 19:15.32 | mickeyl_ | how do you like it? |
| 19:15.38 | mickeyl_ | looks a bit ugly in my eyes |
| 19:15.43 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 19:15.44 | rev|lib | kind of |
| 19:15.44 | rev|lib | heh |
| 19:15.57 | rev|lib | i've a 800x480 res PDA |
| 19:15.59 | mickeyl_ | (let alone that it runs PPC) |
| 19:16.01 | rev|lib | but 800x600 would be even better |
| 19:16.02 | rev|lib | heh |
| 19:16.20 | rev|lib | how big is that thing? |
| 19:16.33 | rev|lib | 4" |
| 19:16.34 | rev|lib | bah |
| 19:16.34 | mickeyl_ | 4" screen |
| 19:16.37 | rev|lib | screw that |
| 19:16.40 | mickeyl_ | yeah |
| 19:16.44 | rev|lib | if i have a 800x600 pda it better have a 5" screen |
| 19:16.47 | rev|lib | or 6" even |
| 19:16.55 | rev|lib | just get rid of all that crap framing the wee screen |
| 19:17.00 | rev|lib | and it wouldn't be any bigger |
| 19:17.03 | rev|lib | but it'd be a lot more useful |
| 19:17.34 | rev|lib | umm |
| 19:17.39 | rev|lib | i'm not sure that runs PPC neccesarily |
| 19:17.42 | rev|lib | i imagine it would if it came to market |
| 19:17.43 | rev|lib | but they didn't say |
| 19:17.58 | rev|lib | the screen looks like desktop windows, perhaps via vnc |
| 19:18.03 | rev|lib | definately not WinCE's IE |
| 19:32.31 | rev|lib | hehe |
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| 19:56.48 | Twiun | mickeyl: 100% with you on event driven stuff |
| 19:57.02 | Twiun | lpotter: email, if you please :) |
| 19:57.27 | Twiun | lpotter: woops.. not at work yet, are you ;) |
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| 20:22.26 | Twiun | what drawing are you waiting for? |
| 20:22.36 | Twiun | mithro: btw, working on your icon atm |
| 20:24.38 | vvff | Twiun: The drawing for the other 5500 he is giving away. |
| 20:25.11 | Twiun | ahhh |
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| 21:02.08 | mithro | Twiun: really? |
| 21:11.55 | Twiun | mithro: here we go, like I said, no great pieces of art ;) |
| 21:11.58 | Twiun | mithro: http://adorphuye.com/~twiun/mithro/ |
| 21:12.13 | Twiun | mithro: left the gimp original if you want to tweak things |
| 21:20.52 | mithro | Twiun: i'll release oz-compat 0.4 later tonight |
| 21:22.00 | Twiun | mithro: good enough? |
| 21:24.12 | mithro | yeah |
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| 21:24.38 | mithro | i'm not sure if it looks better / worse with the word "layer" on it |
| 21:25.33 | Twiun | that's why I made a few, I wasn't sure either |
| 21:30.10 | mithro | Twiun: it looks better then anything i could do :) |
| 21:30.44 | Twiun | I was getting worried, with no comments ;) |
| 21:44.28 | mithro | not exactly infront of the computer atm - going to an exam now |
| 21:44.30 | mithro | see ya |
| 21:46.19 | Twiun | good luck! |
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