irclog2html for #zaurus on 20031105

`00:07.01`	`*** join/#zaurus W8TVI (~W8TVI@phantom-eth2-34.tcnet.org)`
`00:10.08`	`MG_Tak`	`damnit I heard this hilarious song in the car and I can't find out what it was. :(`
`00:11.22`	`treke`	`details.`
`00:13.16`	`MG_Tak`	`treke: on?`
`00:13.23`	`treke`	`the hilarious song.`
`00:13.27`	`MG_Tak`	`oh`
`00:13.37`	`MG_Tak`	`it's kinda rap-ish. it's just some guy taking shots at everyone`
`00:16.44`	`rev`	`what kind of shots?`
`00:16.58`	`rev`	`er food`
`00:17.04`	`rev`	`underground hip hop not commercial rap tho`
`00:17.36`	`MG_Tak`	`he just kinda makes fun of everyone`
`00:17.46`	`MG_Tak`	`something about Nelly not sounding gangsta`
`00:17.49`	`rev`	`heh`
`00:17.51`	`treke`	`rev: You dont look like much of a rap guy`
`00:17.55`	`MG_Tak`	`and about R Kelly and Fred Durst or something`
`00:17.57`	`rev`	`well`
`00:17.59`	`rev`	`i'm not a rap guy`
`00:18.02`	`rev`	`but i do listen to hip hop`
`00:18.03`	`rev`	`:)`
`00:18.04`	`absentia3`	`re`
`00:18.08`	`rev`	`though not exclusively or anything`
`00:18.13`	`rev`	`i listen to a bunch of stuff`
`00:18.15`	`rev`	`absentia3: sup sup`
`00:18.29`	`rev`	`well, i can't say i dance`
`00:18.35`	`rev`	`for me it's more that my mind reacts`
`00:19.38`	`MG_Tak`	`treke: only other detail I have is that the guy sounds sorta hispanic`
`00:19.43`	`MG_Tak`	`and he keeps saying "I tease"`
`00:19.47`	`MG_Tak`	`I think`
`00:23.45`	`absentia3`	`god dammit`
`00:23.51`	`absentia3`	`mozille for freebsd can't use netscape.net mail`
`00:23.54`	`absentia3`	`opera can't even sign in`
`00:24.09`	`absentia3`	`on the pc, netscape signs me in with who is using aol im at the moment, and this isn't the account... that I want to use`
`00:24.18`	`absentia3`	`and it doesn't give you any other way to log in with another user`
`00:24.28`	`rev`	`absentia3: that sucks`
`00:24.29`	`rev`	`that's weird`
`00:24.30`	`rev`	`:/`
`00:24.35`	`absentia3`	`and when I log out of aol im and then log in with the proper user, it won't allow me to delete mail.`
`00:24.47`	`rev`	`haha`
`00:24.47`	`absentia3`	`this happens repeatedly... and then a day or so later, it goes back to normal`
`00:24.50`	`rev`	`weird`
`00:27.18`	`absentia3`	`ah, nyetscrape 4.7 under blows seems to allow me to use netscrape mail`
`00:27.22`	`absentia3`	`I need to get a new mail system`
`00:27.53`	`rev`	`get an account at hotpop`
`00:27.56`	`rev`	`and use it elsewhere`
`00:28.03`	`rev`	`like on your Z etc`
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`00:28.17`	`absentia3`	`true`
`00:28.31`	`absentia3`	`I just want to get up tmda/tmda-cgi on my own domain... I've just been far too lazy.`
`00:28.38`	`rev`	`ah`
`00:29.17`	`absentia3`	`that's what I use a lot`
`00:29.22`	`absentia3`	`but I'll still have tmda in front of it.`
`00:29.48`	`absentia3`	`ie: ssh + pine is mua.. I'm talking about mta.`
`00:33.12`	`treke`	`hmmm. looks like I'll be switching to osx on my laptop.`
`00:34.05`	`rev`	`oh?`
`00:34.08`	`rev`	`didn't know you had a mac`
`00:34.20`	`rev`	`i'm happy to finally have a computer gain`
`00:34.23`	`rev`	`i gave my ibook to my gf`
`00:34.28`	`treke`	`dont yet.`
`00:34.41`	`rev`	`and have been at a loss lately, with the c760 not cutting it for use as my primary machine`
`00:34.50`	`rev`	`but i rekon this sig3 may fill the niche, so i'm happy`
`00:34.52`	`rev`	`oh?`
`00:34.57`	`rev`	`what kind of mac you thinking about getting it?`
`00:34.58`	`rev`	`er`
`00:34.58`	`rev`	`getting`
`00:35.02`	`rev`	`and why do you have to run OS X?`
`00:35.16`	`rev`	`although i ran OS X instead of linux for a number of reasons`
`00:35.28`	`rev`	`i was pretty disapointed in linux on PPC`
`00:35.31`	`rev`	`at least on that machine`
`00:36.21`	`rev`	`ack`
`00:36.23`	`rev`	`stupid xchjat`
`00:36.34`	`rev`	`in a channel like so, it blanks out my tet`
`00:36.36`	`rev`	`rather`
`00:36.47`	`rev`	`changes the foreground color to the background color so that i can't see it`
`00:37.03`	`rev`	`unless i do a select all (ctrl-a), and then it goes back to normal`
`00:37.04`	`rev`	`grr`
`00:37.13`	`treke`	`hehe. Work is apparently issuing me a power book.`
`00:37.21`	`rev`	`hell yeah!`
`00:37.26`	`rev`	`any particular reason?`
`00:37.29`	`rev`	`or just cuz they're swell folks?`
`00:37.36`	`treke`	`basically the latter`
`00:37.43`	`treke`	`at the moment I've got a compaq laptop`
`00:40.36`	`rev`	`...`
`00:40.42`	`rev`	`and that sucks too bad, so they're giving you an upgrade?`
`00:42.37`	`treke`	`Actually, I like my compaq :p`
`00:42.44`	`rev`	`ah`
`00:42.44`	`rev`	`wekll`
`00:42.45`	`rev`	`er`
`00:42.45`	`rev`	`well`
`00:42.48`	`rev`	`then why not keep it?`
`00:43.01`	`treke`	`I am keeping it :)`
`00:43.12`	`rev`	`ahhh nice`
`00:43.12`	`treke`	`the compaq is a personal machine that I've used almost 100% for work`
`00:43.16`	`rev`	`ah`
`00:43.16`	`rev`	`oh`
`00:43.23`	`rev`	`i thought they boguht you the compaq a while back`
`00:43.41`	`treke`	`nah, I bought the compaq since I needed a laptop`
`00:43.57`	`rev`	`ah`
`00:43.59`	`treke`	`great machine`
`00:44.03`	`rev`	`cool`
`00:44.45`	`treke`	`We'll see if I ever end up liking osx :)`
`00:44.53`	`rev`	`heh`
`00:45.00`	`rev`	`why do they want to do a pb now?`
`00:45.16`	`treke`	`boss is a cool guy, and he loves his new powerbook`
`00:45.20`	`rev`	`ah sweet`
`00:45.27`	`rev`	`what size you gunna get?`
`00:45.39`	`treke`	`not sure. my guessis 15inch`
`00:45.43`	`rev`	`mmhmm`
`00:46.07`	`treke`	`for the best, I'm usually clueless when mac users have questions :)`
`00:46.22`	`rev`	`ah`
`00:46.26`	`rev`	`heh`
`00:46.36`	`rev`	`welcome to the high church of jobs`
`00:46.39`	`treke`	`"email me the output of nestat \| ifconfig \| awk '{sed s/foo//g}'"`
`00:47.00`	`rev`	`on this mac? :PO`
`00:47.16`	`treke`	`rev: that's usually my response to mac questions :)`
`00:47.19`	`rev`	`ah`
`00:47.20`	`rev`	`heh`
`00:47.20`	`rev`	`:P`
`00:47.44`	`treke`	`very much a console guy a heart`
`00:47.48`	`rev`	`mmhmm`
`00:48.04`	`rev`	`you could always just run darwin`
`00:48.10`	`treke`	`hehe`
`00:48.11`	`rev`	`or still have vanilla OS X installed, but quit the gui layetr`
`00:48.26`	`treke`	`well, I also like my X for multiple consoles.`
`00:48.29`	`rev`	`mmhmm`
`00:48.46`	`rev`	`after my crappy stint at using linux/ppc on the ibook i went to os x + x11 with no quartz`
`00:48.53`	`rev`	`but gave up on that after a while too, but it can be done`
`00:48.59`	`treke`	`what was wrong with linux/ppc :)`
`00:49.02`	`rev`	`well`
`00:49.06`	`treke`	`not used it much, but it seemed to work well`
`00:49.07`	`rev`	`it seemed unnaturally slow`
`00:49.12`	`rev`	`seemed a lot slower than it should've been`
`00:49.16`	`rev`	`i dunno`
`00:49.36`	`rev`	`"seemed slow" = gui system and apps were slow`
`00:49.47`	`rev`	`mind you i was running very little - ion + squeak + opera`
`00:49.55`	`rev`	`i tried gnome 2 when it came out and it was punishment`
`00:50.05`	`rev`	`even though gnome 2 doesn't run that bad on my k6-2/350`
`00:50.18`	`rev`	`and the 500 mhz ibook itself isn't only as fast as a k6-2/350, that's for sure`
`00:50.21`	`treke`	`gnome 2 feels slow on my home machine`
`00:50.31`	`rev`	`yes`
`00:50.35`	`rev`	`it does on any machine i've tried it on`
`00:50.40`	`rev`	`but this was slower, death slow`
`00:50.50`	`rev`	`also, the squeak VM for unix/linux is worse than the one for Mac OS`
`00:51.01`	`rev`	`more and better optimization on Mac OS, X or classic`
`00:51.03`	`rev`	`not sure why`
`00:51.06`	`rev`	`haha`
`00:51.08`	`rev`	`no crap`
`00:51.43`	`rev`	`and while OS X sucks RAM like it's going out of style`
`00:51.52`	`rev`	`it was faster than any environment i tried on linux/ppc`
`00:52.01`	`rev`	`which seems odd`
`00:52.01`	`treke`	`gonna try the new gnome out, see if I can get myself onto gui apps`
`00:52.04`	`rev`	`yeah`
`00:52.12`	`rev`	`i used gnome2 for a while on the k6-2`
`00:52.17`	`treke`	`biggest kicker is mail`
`00:52.22`	`rev`	`when i first installed RH8 and didn't get around to compiling ion`
`00:52.26`	`rev`	`why?`
`00:52.26`	`treke`	`I've yet to figure out a decent way to do mail`
`00:52.33`	`rev`	`why not just continue using mutt or whatever cli mail?`
`00:52.51`	`treke`	`rev: If I do that I'll end up going to my 1970s ways again :)`
`00:54.01`	`rev`	`meh`
`00:54.16`	`rev`	`can't just do a little of each?`
`00:54.26`	`rev`	`i do it all in squeakl ('cept browsing, of course)`
`00:54.29`	`treke`	`I've tried.`
`00:54.31`	`rev`	`though my email is pine`
`00:54.58`	`treke`	`first it's my email, next it's my news reading, then all the suddent irc, then file managent :p`
`00:55.04`	`rev`	`so?`
`00:56.45`	`treke`	`that's where the kicker is, when I release I'm not using any of the gui stuff, I just reinstall ion and I'm back to square one :p`
`00:56.56`	`treke`	`realize`
`00:58.05`	`absentia3`	`re`
`01:01.21`	`rev`	`heh`
`01:01.22`	`rev`	`well`
`01:01.33`	`rev`	`what do you use for email?`
`01:01.38`	`treke`	`mutt`
`01:01.41`	`rev`	`ah`
`01:01.52`	`treke`	`the biggest reason i don't use anything else is performance`
`01:02.07`	`treke`	`I've got a shit load of email in my mailbox and imap always seems slow as shit`
`01:02.18`	`rev`	`ah`
`01:02.24`	`rev`	`pine always worked fine for me`
`01:02.27`	`rev`	`mail.app in OS X too`
`01:02.33`	`rev`	`although i only have 20 MB or so of mail`
`01:02.45`	`rev`	`and squeak's email client - pop not imap- handles my 40 mb archive`
`01:02.51`	`rev`	`but that's little compared to what you're likely talking about`
`01:03.04`	`treke`	`very few of my folders go over 40mb`
`01:03.06`	`rev`	`ah`
`01:03.51`	`treke`	`hmm. inbox is up to 30 megs`
`01:04.15`	`rev`	`ah`
`01:04.48`	`treke`	`seems really snappy`
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`01:06.11`	`rev`	`never tried it my self`
`01:07.23`	`rev`	`rather`
`01:07.30`	`rev`	`never used a server that ran it`
`01:08.13`	`treke`	`it actually did a quick job on loading my mayday mailbox, which was at around 9000 messages.`
`01:08.23`	`rev`	`wowza`
`01:08.49`	`treke`	`it absolutly puked when I did ctrl+a del though :p`
`01:14.10`	`rev`	`hah`
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`01:40.54`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek\|work> ping`
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`01:49.32`	`Luke-Jr`	`Happy new year!`
`01:49.44`	`gerrynjr`	`hally new year?`
`01:49.45`	`gerrynjr`	`WTF?`
`01:49.47`	`gerrynjr`	`happy`
`01:49.58`	`Luke-Jr`	`?`
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`01:51.11`	`Luke-Jr`	`gerrynjr: so I remembered an hour or so late... >.>`
`01:51.24`	`gerrynjr`	`Luke-Jr> it is a new year?`
`01:52.00`	`Luke-Jr`	`yes...`
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`02:34.41`	`Reddog`	`still haven't wanderd across a serial mouse :(`
`02:38.16`	`rev`	`aww`
`02:38.20`	`rev`	`why want j00 one?`
`02:38.29`	`treke\|laptop`	`yo`
`02:38.56`	`rev`	`sup treke`
`02:41.11`	`treke\|laptop`	`nada. playihng some true crime`
`02:43.43`	`Reddog`	`woo.. found one`
`02:43.49`	`Reddog`	`i wonder if it works`
`02:44.05`	`Reddog`	`gonna see if i can get a mouse to work with my Z`
`02:44.53`	`treke\|laptop`	`supposed to be driving but I keep falling out of the car :)`
`02:45.47`	`Reddog`	`lol`
`02:47.08`	`gerrynjr`	`yo offroadgeek`
`02:47.15`	`gerrynjr`	`please tell me you shipped it :-D`
`02:47.29`	`offroadgeek`	`yup... just about to email you the tracking number`
`02:47.35`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> WOOHOO!`
`02:47.44`	`offroadgeek`	`you'll have it on thursday`
`02:47.45`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> this was timed perfectly`
`02:47.54`	`offroadgeek`	`why is that?`
`02:47.55`	`gerrynjr`	`I coould actually study for my comsci exam :-D`
`02:48.02`	`gerrynjr`	`otherwise.. I would have flunked`
`02:48.12`	`gerrynjr`	`if it were shipped saturday...`
`02:48.20`	`offroadgeek`	`ha... don't think I want the ZUG to have that kind of effect on people`
`02:48.21`	`gerrynjr`	`I would have been too busy using th ebloody thing`
`02:49.07`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> once again, thanks a bunch ;-D`
`02:49.09`	`offroadgeek`	`:)`
`02:49.24`	`gerrynjr`	`words will not be able to describe my thanks when i receive it`
`02:50.08`	`offroadgeek`	`no prob... I'm glad that someone without a Z won one...`
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`02:53.28`	`rev`	`yes`
`02:53.29`	`rev`	`that is good`
`02:53.30`	`rev`	`wait`
`02:53.31`	`rev`	`gerry`
`02:53.33`	`rev`	`you won???`
`02:53.36`	`rev`	`WOOOHOOO!`
`02:53.38`	`rev`	`how did you win?`
`02:53.40`	`gerrynjr`	`rev> :-D`
`02:53.45`	`rev`	`how did you win?`
`02:53.45`	`gerrynjr`	`rev> i'm so damn happy`
`02:53.55`	`gerrynjr`	`rev> I submitted shitloads of howtos and faqs`
`02:54.01`	`gerrynjr`	`www.zaurususergroup.com`
`02:54.23`	`rev`	`good work`
`02:54.24`	`rev`	`how many did you do?`
`02:54.26`	`rev`	`how many pts?`
`02:54.47`	`rev`	`i'm may be buying a PDA for someone else`
`02:54.54`	`rev`	`looking for a dynapad assistant`
`02:55.06`	`gerrynjr`	`rev> Winner of the 2nd place prize - SL-5500 - gerrynjr with 92 points!`
`02:55.36`	`gerrynjr`	`rev> thanks`
`02:57.16`	`rev`	`hell yeah!`
`02:57.17`	`rev`	`good work`
`02:57.22`	`rev`	`i thought about taking a whack at it for fun`
`02:57.29`	`rev`	`but it's not good to steal from others`
`02:57.55`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> no!!!!!`
`02:58.03`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> I sure hope your messing w/ me!`
`02:58.15`	`offroadgeek`	`just kidding....`
`02:58.50`	`offroadgeek`	`I know for a fact yours is right.. it's just the other two that were in the exact same fedex box... I'm pretty anal though`
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`02:59.04`	`Reddog`	`hrm.. is there a libncurses.so.4 ipkg for oz?`
`02:59.05`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> lmao...`
`02:59.14`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> I can see tumnus getting a bit flustered :-D`
`02:59.31`	`offroadgeek`	`yeah, but w8tvi would be hella excited!`
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`03:02.04`	`treke\|laptop`	`~6ok. this game just took reality and through it out the window`
`03:02.14`	`treke\|laptop`	`I got on the 5 freeway and there is no one else there`
`03:02.26`	`gerrynjr`	`treke\|laptop> what game?`
`03:02.31`	`treke\|laptop`	`gerrynjr: true crime`
`03:02.39`	`gerrynjr`	`never heard of it`
`03:02.44`	`gerrynjr`	`how about false crime?`
`03:03.58`	`darmou`	`Has anyone tried the latest tkcRom ver 2?`
`03:04.50`	`rev`	`oooh`
`03:04.51`	`rev`	`no`
`03:05.03`	`rev`	`there a tkc rom for c7x0 yet?`
`03:05.03`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> i'll be happy as a pig in shit when I get it :-D`
`03:05.25`	`rev`	`anyone tried the jeode ipk on a c7x0?`
`03:05.25`	`rev`	`wonder if it works`
`03:06.54`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> man.. this thing is going from one end of the country.. to the other...`
`03:09.42`	`offroadgeek`	`gerrynjr> yup... sf to mass`
`03:10.03`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> damn.. it's insured for 500?`
`03:10.03`	`gerrynjr`	`wow`
`03:10.20`	`offroadgeek`	`rev> I have jeode installed on my 760 with Project Professional`
`03:10.26`	`gerrynjr`	`shipping this thing was not cheap...`
`03:11.41`	`offroadgeek`	`gerrynjr> only $11`
`03:11.51`	`gerrynjr`	`wow...`
`03:11.56`	`gerrynjr`	`that's not bad at all`
`03:12.08`	`rev`	`ah`
`03:12.08`	`gerrynjr`	`I buy stuff on new egg`
`03:12.11`	`rev`	`does it work well?`
`03:12.14`	`gerrynjr`	`ram is 10 bucks to ship!`
`03:12.15`	`rev`	`i was thinking about byuing Formulae 1`
`03:12.18`	`offroadgeek`	`yup... it was $25 for tumnus' Z... he's in the UK`
`03:12.20`	`rev`	`although i don't think i will any more`
`03:12.21`	`gerrynjr`	`rev> same here`
`03:12.22`	`rev`	`but i was thinking about it`
`03:12.25`	`rev`	`gerrynjr: oh?`
`03:12.33`	`rev`	`i may do all my math on the CE machine andn ot the Z`
`03:12.35`	`rev`	`we'll see`
`03:12.41`	`offroadgeek`	`rev> works just fine... haven't noticed a single problem with it`
`03:12.44`	`rev`	`ah sweet`
`03:12.46`	`rev`	`good to know`
`03:12.56`	`rev`	`although i could use F1 on the CE machine too i suppose, they said i could get a refund if i caouldn't get it ti work`
`03:13.05`	`rev`	`good to know off`
`03:13.11`	`rev`	`do you run the sharp rom?`
`03:13.14`	`rev`	`or opie/oz?`
`03:13.18`	`offroadgeek`	`cacko's rom`
`03:13.28`	`rev`	`i've wondered if it conflicts with the JVM that comes with the sharp ROM`
`03:13.41`	`offroadgeek`	`don't think there's a stable opie/oz for the 760 yet... otherwise I'd try it`
`03:14.12`	`offroadgeek`	`when I ran the sharp rom, I just un-installed it... then installed jeode`
`03:14.48`	`offroadgeek`	`I have no real reason for un-installing it... my java apps worked fine with it as well`
`03:15.04`	`rev`	`i don't think so either`
`03:15.06`	`rev`	`yeah`
`03:15.14`	`rev`	`uninstalled it?`
`03:15.18`	`rev`	`i don't think you can un install the built in JVM`
`03:15.26`	`rev`	`i suppose if you delete files manually, perhaps a script?`
`03:16.06`	`gerrynjr`	`rev> if I buy it, i'd attempt to run it on OZ`
`03:16.16`	`rev`	`ah`
`03:16.18`	`rev`	`well`
`03:16.24`	`rev`	`if you can't get it to work they'll give you a refund at least`
`03:16.28`	`rev`	`sounds like you can't loose you know?`
`03:16.35`	`offroadgeek`	`rev> actually I think you can`
`03:16.41`	`rev`	`or you could be like me and run octave and maxima`
`03:17.00`	`rev`	`offroadgeek: not in my uninstaller, but maybe it shows up in ipkg commands`
`03:17.33`	`offroadgeek`	`I remember in the uninstaller the option for the jvm... don't remember what the ipk was named though... weird name`
`03:18.04`	`offroadgeek`	`what's octave and maxima?`
`03:21.08`	`treke\|laptop`	`hmm. they actually did get the streets close to correct`
`03:22.01`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> my dad said he thought you were gonna pulla quick one`
`03:22.13`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> he nearly dropped a brick when he read the fedex page`
`03:22.52`	`offroadgeek`	`gerry> seriously? hmm`
`03:23.00`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> that my dad though...`
`03:23.02`	`gerrynjr`	`paranoid`
`03:23.20`	`offroadgeek`	`I guess I would be too though...`
`03:24.23`	`offroadgeek`	`especially when you think it's three Zs being given away and shipped for free`
`03:25.13`	`poo`	`hey - how bout giving away one to someone who doesn't already have one! :)`
`03:25.22`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> ok, ok.. I was a bit paranoid`
`03:25.28`	`gerrynjr`	`poo> I don't have one!`
`03:25.36`	`offroadgeek`	`poo> sure! I'll give w8tvi's to you!`
`03:25.48`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> nah.,. he has a broken one`
`03:25.53`	`poo`	`sweet! :)`
`03:25.57`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> it's tumnus's you need to give away...`
`03:26.06`	`gerrynjr`	`:-P`
`03:26.09`	`offroadgeek`	`poo> I wish... he'd probably hunt me down`
`03:26.13`	`poo`	`:)`
`03:26.14`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> did the tie make you sweat a bit?`
`03:26.36`	`offroadgeek`	`gerry> yeah... I didn't know what I was going to do...`
`03:26.47`	`gerrynjr`	`it was like that b/c I was busy..`
`03:26.58`	`gerrynjr`	`heck.. I should be studying right now`
`03:26.58`	`offroadgeek`	`gerry> then I was thinking that you two probably had a chat... promised to keep the points even to mess with me`
`03:27.00`	`gerrynjr`	`lmao`
`03:27.05`	`gerrynjr`	`yeah`
`03:27.09`	`gerrynjr`	`that was what we did`
`03:27.14`	`gerrynjr`	`we wanted to see what you would say;..`
`03:27.16`	`offroadgeek`	`I knew it`
`03:27.23`	`gerrynjr`	`if you said you would not give out identical models`
`03:27.32`	`gerrynjr`	`we would just have a last minute rish:-D`
`03:27.37`	`gerrynjr`	`rush`
`03:27.42`	`offroadgeek`	`I'm glad I thought of that tie breaker... though I knew it would piss one of you off`
`03:27.54`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> well, it was me :-D`
`03:28.15`	`gerrynjr`	`i was like WTF.. I was up there for a while.. time to unleash a can of whoopass`
`03:28.24`	`offroadgeek`	`w8 asked my why I don't swap out the last 5500 with the 5000d...`
`03:28.25`	`gerrynjr`	`although I was sweating at the end`
`03:29.06`	`offroadgeek`	`I can't believe you stayed up 'till 3am`
`03:29.12`	`gerrynjr`	`me either`
`03:29.27`	`gerrynjr`	`i usually hit the sack by 12...`
`03:29.42`	`Reddog`	`ok, so.. who wants to attempt to write me a mouse driver for my Z?`
`03:29.53`	`gerrynjr`	`Reddog> any cash involved`
`03:29.54`	`gerrynjr`	`?`
`03:29.55`	`offroadgeek`	`I was tired and it was only midnight here... then again I am 13 years your senior`
`03:30.04`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> damn...`
`03:30.23`	`Reddog`	`hrm.. nope, don't have any`
`03:30.28`	`rev`	`Reddog: why not use USB?`
`03:30.36`	`rev`	`eh eh eh! my new pda has a usb host port woot`
`03:30.52`	`Reddog`	`rev.. cause the Z doesn't have a USB host`
`03:30.56`	`offroadgeek`	`reddog> if you write the drivers.... I could compile it for you... free!`
`03:31.09`	`rev`	`Reddog: with a card it does`
`03:31.13`	`rev`	`Reddog: duuuuuuhhh :)`
`03:31.20`	`Reddog`	`right.. but i'm going for cardless`
`03:31.30`	`rev`	`can't have your cake and eat it to man`
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`03:31.35`	`Reddog`	`sure you can`
`03:31.42`	`rev`	`no, only smear it on your face`
`03:32.03`	`gerrynjr`	`http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=300193&pfp=SEARCH`
`03:32.10`	`Marsupilami23`	`How are you connecting a mouse to your Z?`
`03:32.16`	`offroadgeek`	`what about IR... I have an IR keyboard with a built-in mouse (thumb jog dial thingy)`
`03:32.17`	`Reddog`	`serial mouse`
`03:32.22`	`Marsupilami23`	`Ah`
`03:32.28`	`Marsupilami23`	`Didn't think about that`
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`03:32.43`	`rev`	`heh`
`03:32.43`	`rev`	`lame`
`03:32.53`	`rev`	`oh`
`03:32.55`	`rev`	`speaking of keyboards`
`03:33.08`	`rev`	`if anyone here is in the market for an IR keyboard, i'm looking to sell my Pocketop IR kb`
`03:33.12`	`gerrynjr`	`rev> take your crud to #sigmarionIII`
`03:33.21`	`rev`	`they go for $80-90 new, i'll sell at $50 incl shipping`
`03:33.24`	`gerrynjr`	`rev> how much?`
`03:33.26`	`gerrynjr`	`hmmm`
`03:33.31`	`gerrynjr`	`got a link?`
`03:33.34`	`rev`	`no one is in there man! :P`
`03:33.37`	`rev`	`http://pocketop.net`
`03:33.52`	`rev`	`http://www.d.umn.edu/~reic0024/kb/`
`03:33.55`	`rev`	`there are some bad photos`
`03:33.58`	`rev`	`had some probs uploading`
`03:34.03`	`rev`	`will try again later when i'm home if you want`
`03:34.04`	`offroadgeek`	`rev> I think I know someone who'd want one`
`03:34.13`	`rev`	`http://www.d.umn.edu/~reic0024/images/thesetup.jpg`
`03:34.17`	`rev`	`also see that ^ link`
`03:34.19`	`rev`	`offroadgeek: sweet`
`03:34.31`	`gerrynjr`	`the Z sits on top of it?`
`03:34.38`	`rev`	`no`
`03:34.41`	`offroadgeek`	`gerry> kinda`
`03:34.42`	`rev`	`it would sit on the table or something`
`03:34.47`	`rev`	`it doesn't have a stand`
`03:34.47`	`offroadgeek`	`rev> do you still have that stand thingy`
`03:34.50`	`rev`	`like palmos kbs do`
`03:34.52`	`gerrynjr`	`damn....`
`03:34.53`	`rev`	`nope`
`03:34.53`	`rev`	`no stand`
`03:34.55`	`rev`	`didn't get one with it`
`03:34.57`	`offroadgeek`	`doh!`
`03:35.01`	`rev`	`doesn't fit the Z anyway`
`03:35.05`	`rev`	`from what i've been told`
`03:35.23`	`offroadgeek`	`I used to have my 5500 rest on the stand...`
`03:35.37`	`rev`	`ah`
`03:35.41`	`rev`	`well, i've been lied too`
`03:35.41`	`offroadgeek`	`I guess I could just give my stand to my brother... if he bought your keyboard`
`03:35.41`	`rev`	`heh`
`03:35.48`	`gerrynjr`	`hmm, it's 79 new....`
`03:36.04`	`offroadgeek`	`don't need the stand with the 7x0`
`03:36.09`	`rev`	`coo`
`03:36.15`	`rev`	`yeah`
`03:36.20`	`rev`	`i never missed it with my c760 that's for sure`
`03:37.07`	`offroadgeek`	`yup... I use my keyboard for long stints of typing on my 760... but I really like the thumboard`
`03:37.24`	`offroadgeek`	`rev> did you just get your 760 this week?`
`03:37.27`	`rev`	`no`
`03:37.31`	`gerrynjr`	`curious...`
`03:37.32`	`rev`	`i've had the c760 since july`
`03:37.37`	`gerrynjr`	`how are the zinc-air battereies?`
`03:37.42`	`rev`	`zinc-air?`
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`03:37.50`	`gerrynjr`	`http://www.myzaurus.com/acc_Power4.asp`
`03:37.51`	`offroadgeek`	`ah... I remember someone here saying that they are supposed to receive it this week`
`03:37.56`	`rev`	`ah`
`03:38.03`	`rev`	`i recieved a sigmarion iii this week`
`03:38.04`	`offroadgeek`	`gerry> never used them`
`03:38.11`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> hmm, one more...`
`03:38.19`	`gerrynjr`	`is there any way to make a "high capacity" battery?`
`03:38.29`	`offroadgeek`	`rev> sigmarion - I saw the pics... thought it was terribly ugly :)`
`03:38.48`	`rev`	`well`
`03:38.49`	`rev`	`perhaps`
`03:38.50`	`offroadgeek`	`gerry> buy the 1700mah...`
`03:38.58`	`rev`	`more useful for me though; i'm happy to have a real keyboard and better software`
`03:39.03`	`rev`	`anywho`
`03:39.04`	`rev`	`i'm out`
`03:39.07`	`rev`	`and a 800x480 screen`
`03:39.08`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> the 5600?`
`03:39.10`	`rev`	`even better :D`
`03:39.35`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> what about the bulge out the rear of the Z?`
`03:39.50`	`offroadgeek`	`it did look real nice... I just can't afford another handheld yet.... wife would kill me!`
`03:40.10`	`offroadgeek`	`gerry> ignore the bulge.. you'll have more battery!!!`
`03:40.13`	`rev`	`i'll be back on a little later ... :)`
`03:40.35`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> any way to cover it?`
`03:40.54`	`offroadgeek`	`you'd need to find a 5600 battery cover... don't know where though...`
`03:41.21`	`gerrynjr`	`:-\`
`03:41.22`	`offroadgeek`	`ladyjane had an external battery pack that used 3 or 4 AAs... it was nice...`
`03:41.46`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> what I want to know.. is if I can use my big ass r/c car battery w/ it`
`03:41.53`	`gerrynjr`	`should get decent life out of those :-D`
`03:42.20`	`offroadgeek`	`gerry> yeah... if you want a fireworks show`
`03:42.40`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> nah...`
`03:42.46`	`gerrynjr`	`i'll just deal w/ the old battery life`
`03:42.49`	`gerrynjr`	`:-D`
`03:43.02`	`gerrynjr`	`all I need to do is put it in the cradle charger every day`
`03:43.03`	`Reddog`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:43.06`	`gerrynjr`	`and I should be all set`
`03:43.08`	`offroadgeek`	`don't make me re-route your Z to Poo`
`03:43.11`	`offroadgeek`	`:)`
`03:43.20`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> don't even joke about that!`
`03:43.32`	`gerrynjr`	`I don't wan't a fireworks display..`
`03:43.40`	`gerrynjr`	`if I did, i'd pop an aol cd in the microwave`
`03:43.57`	`poo`	`yeah!! :)`
`03:44.02`	`offroadgeek`	`I had a spare battery with my 5500... came in real handy`
`03:44.19`	`gerrynjr`	`well.. the b-day is the 14th`
`03:44.23`	`offroadgeek`	`Poo> you want the tracking number? live anywhere near Mass?`
`03:44.26`	`gerrynjr`	`i'll have to getmyself some accessories :-D`
`03:44.30`	`poo`	`I live in boston baby`
`03:44.36`	`gerrynjr`	`poo> no!!!!!!!`
`03:44.42`	`offroadgeek`	`lmao`
`03:44.53`	`poo`	`i'll intercept that puppy like ty law`
`03:45.09`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> swansea is too small to goof like that`
`03:45.18`	`gerrynjr`	`er.. OOPS!`
`03:45.46`	`offroadgeek`	`where the hell is swansea? I thought the town I lived in NH was small!`
`03:46.12`	`poo`	`ask bernie and phil`
`03:46.18`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> a nice small town :-D`
`03:46.58`	`offroadgeek`	`I actually really like Mass.. nice commonwealth... boston was always a bitch to drive in though...`
`03:47.19`	`poo`	`yes indeedy`
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`03:47.20`	`*** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ`
`03:47.23`	`gerrynjr`	`i've got some problems w/ the representatives here :-D`
`03:47.30`	`gerrynjr`	`but.. other than that...`
`03:47.31`	`poo`	`i actually live a ways north of beantown but work there`
`03:47.37`	`poo`	`and the commute is not fun`
`03:47.41`	`gerrynjr`	`poo> beantown?`
`03:47.50`	`poo`	`nickname for boston`
`03:48.01`	`offroadgeek`	`boston baked beans....`
`03:48.03`	`gerrynjr`	`I thought it was b-town?`
`03:48.09`	`poo`	`that too`
`03:48.19`	`gerrynjr`	`then there's p-town`
`03:48.19`	`gerrynjr`	`lmao`
`03:48.22`	`offroadgeek`	`shouldn't it be tea town?`
`03:48.25`	`poo`	`not to be confused`
`03:48.33`	`gerrynjr`	`poo> amen`
`03:48.44`	`gerrynjr`	`poo> too bad there arn't beaches around boston...`
`03:48.49`	`offroadgeek`	`yeah... p-towns a little south I believe`
`03:48.51`	`gerrynjr`	`there are soe nice looking ladies around there`
`03:48.59`	`poo`	`they're great beaches near boston`
`03:49.07`	`gerrynjr`	`poo> none thati've seen`
`03:49.20`	`poo`	`cape cod isn't a nice beach? cmon`
`03:49.30`	`gerrynjr`	`poo> that's not exactly near boston...`
`03:49.36`	`poo`	`30 mins?`
`03:49.41`	`gerrynjr`	`hehe`
`03:49.50`	`gerrynjr`	`cape cod is farther away from me than boston`
`03:49.56`	`gerrynjr`	`that's what I meant to say`
`03:50.33`	`gerrynjr`	`heck.. wtf am I talking about.. my campus is great :-D`
`03:50.34`	`poo`	`i'll give you that; there's no great beaches right in boston..`
`03:50.45`	`poo`	`where u at gerry?`
`03:50.53`	`gerrynjr`	`poo> www.rwu.edu`
`03:50.58`	`gerrynjr`	`I commute to there`
`03:51.07`	`poo`	`word`
`03:51.35`	`gerrynjr`	`and.. it's a very nice campus...`
`03:51.39`	`gerrynjr`	`w/ mucho eye candy`
`03:51.44`	`poo`	`cool`
`03:51.57`	`gerrynjr`	`I jsut need to keep my scholarship...`
`03:52.02`	`gerrynjr`	`and chem is killing me`
`03:52.04`	`poo`	`yes you do`
`03:52.24`	`poo`	`yeah. chemicals set me back in college too. so be careful`
`03:52.30`	`poo`	`:)`
`03:52.34`	`gerrynjr`	`a's and b+ 's inall but chem`
`03:52.41`	`gerrynjr`	`70`
`03:52.45`	`gerrynjr`	`a flat 70`
`03:52.50`	`poo`	`boner dude`
`03:53.08`	`gerrynjr`	`b/c I flunked a friggin exam`
`03:53.12`	`gerrynjr`	`and there's only 4 of em`
`03:53.20`	`gerrynjr`	`nopt to mention..`
`03:53.26`	`poo`	`where's the chemistry equation balancer for zaurus when you need it?`
`03:53.44`	`gerrynjr`	`there's a lady right across from me.. that occasinally gives me a glimpse ot two`
`03:53.50`	`gerrynjr`	`too damn hard to think!`
`03:53.53`	`gerrynjr`	`good thing I commute`
`03:53.59`	`gerrynjr`	`otherwise I wouldn't get any work done!`
`03:54.09`	`poo`	`yeah good thing........... ????`
`03:54.11`	`offroadgeek`	`gotta run`
`03:54.19`	`gerrynjr`	`offroadgeek> cya`
`03:54.21`	`gerrynjr`	`thanks again!`
`03:54.29`	`gerrynjr`	`poo> lmao`
`03:54.34`	`poo`	`yeah i'm outie 10k also`
`03:54.34`	`offroadgeek\|away`	`no prob!`
`03:54.37`	`gerrynjr`	`poo> I never said I didn't follow up on that`
`03:54.39`	`gerrynjr`	`lmao`
`03:54.58`	`gerrynjr`	`c ya pooo`
`03:55.01`	`poo`	`l8r`
`03:55.02`	`gerrynjr`	`speaking of poo...`
`03:59.42`	`Reddog`	`hrm, is the Z wiki down?`
`04:00.15`	`Marsupilami23`	`whats the URL`
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`04:01.31`	`Reddog`	`community.zaurus.com, i believe`
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`04:27.35`	`Reddog`	`hrm.. well aparently qpe has mouse support in it..`
`04:27.42`	`Reddog`	`unsure of oz though`
`04:28.16`	`Marsupilami23`	`With the new build system for OZ that shouldn't be a problem.`
`04:28.53`	`Reddog`	`hmm`
`04:32.20`	`Marsupilami23`	`In fact with the new build system for OZ anything that you use for your Desktop Linux Computer should be available for the Zaurus.`
`04:32.55`	`kergoth`	`you know you want postfix and cyrus-imapd on your Z, jsut because you can!`
`04:32.57`	`kergoth`	`:P`
`04:33.26`	`Marsupilami23`	`Hey, I'm compiling everything thats in package right now, except a few like gcc...`
`04:33.52`	`Marsupilami23`	`I'm on samba right now, a few more to do then I'm going back to troubleshoot the ones that didn't compile.`
`04:34.32`	`kergoth`	`I still need to update some packages auto* madness, a few of the builds are .. quirky. sometimes works sometimes doesnt`
`04:34.48`	`Marsupilami23`	`kergoth: I'm also adding DESCRIPTIONs to all the build files.`
`04:35.11`	`Reddog`	`so, when will this new build system be availible?`
`04:35.16`	`Luke-Jr`	`"OpenZaurus help in #openzaurus"`
`04:35.21`	`Luke-Jr`	`=p`
`04:36.19`	`Marsupilami23`	`I was doing this: #DISCRIPTION = "blah blah" but then noticed a build file with DISCRIPTION := blah blah, so I've gone back and re-wrote then ones I did with that format.. Is that the correct format? or does oebuild not have DISCRIPTION implimented?`
`04:36.32`	`kergoth`	`Reddog: its available right now, just not all packages are in it yet`
`04:36.44`	`kergoth`	`Marsupilami23: := or = doesnt matter in that context.`
`04:37.00`	`Luke-Jr`	`Marsupilami23: learn to speel`
`04:37.39`	`Marsupilami23`	`Just as long as you understand what I'm saying, I really don't care Luke-Jr`
`04:37.41`	`Reddog`	`ah, so.. more correctly.. how long till most/all packages are in it?`
`04:38.08`	`Marsupilami23`	`Reddog: depends on how many more people want to help out... is that correct kergoth?`
`04:38.15`	`Luke-Jr`	`Marsupilami23: no, but the script app probably does`
`04:38.31`	`kergoth`	`Marsupilami23: quite right`
`04:38.51`	`Marsupilami23`	`Luke-Jr: Good point`
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`04:47.37`	`Marsupilami23`	`Luke-Jr: thanks, my eyes are so tired that I don't think I would have caught that mistake`
`04:47.51`	`Luke-Jr`	`heh`
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`05:42.37`	`Marsupilami23`	`kergoth: one last thing before I go to bed, do I need to use th quotations in DESCRIPTION?`
`05:43.37`	`kergoth`	`nope, quotes are optional, will just go to the end of the line if not`
`05:43.43`	`kergoth`	`and of course you can use \ for line continuation`
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`05:45.13`	`Marsupilami23`	`ok`
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`10:43.12`	`razzle`	`hi! I've installed kaffe on my Z but I get an error when trying to run it (please check your CLASSPATH..). How do I set the classpath?`
`11:46.36`	`Twiun`	`razzle: export CLASSPATH=someclasspath`
`11:46.55`	`Twiun`	`razzle: what did you want to do with Kaffe on your Z (and which Kaffe version are you trying?)`
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`12:09.09`	`overflow_UK`	`aah hello`
`12:09.22`	`overflow_UK`	`any one got wireless working on zaurus yet`
`12:09.48`	`overflow_UK`	`i got a dlink dcf-660w and cant get it to work properly`
`12:10.07`	`overflow_UK`	`ive put on wireless monitor and i can connect to the base but thats it??`
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`12:10.34`	`overflow_UK`	`any ideas anyone??`
`12:26.45`	`razzle`	`Tiwun: I'm using the one from OZ testing feed and I want to compile and run some java console apps on my Z`
`12:29.11`	`razzle`	`which path should I use as classpath?`
`12:29.30`	`Twiun`	`what are you trying to achieve?`
`12:29.48`	`Twiun`	`the one in the feed is way too old btw, Kaffe is now at version 1.1.2`
`12:30.00`	`Twiun`	`which apps, GUI apps?`
`12:30.07`	`Twiun`	`or commandline apps?`
`12:30.19`	`razzle`	`I want to test my homework (console) apps on my Z`
`12:30.43`	`razzle`	`that is, it's an app that reads in a list of strings and sorts them with quicksort`
`12:30.51`	`Twiun`	`why don't you use the j2me download from Sun?`
`12:31.08`	`Twiun`	`(Kaffe on the Zaurus is still too raw for non-developers)`
`12:31.21`	`razzle`	`hm does it work with oz?`
`12:31.47`	`Twiun`	`you'll have to unpack it manually, but yeah, there's no reason why it shouldn't work`
`12:32.00`	`Twiun`	`OZ is still a linux distribution`
`12:32.12`	`Twiun`	`there's nothing mystical about it`
`12:32.15`	`razzle`	`ok.. so there's just no .ipkg, that's all?`
`12:32.36`	`Twiun`	`no, it comes an ipk file - but it's badly packaged`
`12:35.24`	`Twiun`	`that's a JVM. You'll need to also download a compiler (jikes is my preferred one on the Z) and a class library, most likely the classes.zip from one of the 1.1.8 JDKs`
`12:35.28`	`razzle`	`um I looked here http://java.sun.com/j2me/download.html which is the right link?`
`12:36.19`	`razzle`	`ok`
`12:36.21`	`Twiun`	`razzle: it's in the early access section, search for pp4zaurus`
`12:38.34`	`razzle`	`ah i c..gotta register it seems`
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`12:43.00`	`Twiun`	`yup`
`12:43.47`	`Twiun`	`out of curiousity, what platform do you use at uni/college to develop?`
`12:44.22`	`razzle`	`SunOS`
`12:45.45`	`Twiun`	`I hope they're letting you develop locally, not through telnet at least ;)`
`12:47.01`	`razzle`	`yeah and ssh when I'm at home`
`12:48.25`	`MG_Tak`	`nothin' quite like export DISPLAY to me.`
`12:49.29`	`razzle`	`(and X tunneling thru ssh)`
`12:51.39`	`Twiun`	`tunneling X through ssh over 25 hops kills performance ;)`
`12:52.08`	`MG_Tak`	`X tunneling through SSL'ed SMTP.`
`12:52.16`	`razzle`	`sure does..that's why I usually don't use it, just a simple ssh console is enough for me`
`12:52.21`	`MG_Tak`	`Just a /little/ bit of overhead.`
`12:52.50`	`Twiun`	`razzle: absolutely - that's what I'm doing atm - sshing from work into my home server`
`12:53.07`	`Twiun`	`razzle: tunneling everything private through the link (email, browsing, IM)`
`12:55.07`	`Twiun`	`MG_Tak: I would - it's not hard to do either`
`12:55.24`	`Twiun`	`MG_Tak: squid on the linux end, and set up the IM to use the proxy`
`12:58.50`	`razzle`	`hm i got pp4zaurus and jikes now, where do I find the classes.zip?`
`12:59.05`	`razzle`	`jdk is j2se now but I can't find the zip file in there anymore`
`12:59.23`	`Twiun`	`get hold of any 1.1.8 JDK, there will be one in there`
`13:05.34`	`razzle`	`hm tough one, sun doesn't seem to host it anymore`
`13:05.52`	`Twiun`	`have a look on blackdown.org`
`13:05.59`	`Twiun`	`they use the Sun sources`
`13:06.22`	`razzle`	`ok`
`13:13.22`	`razzle`	`aah got it`
`13:14.57`	`Twiun`	`to compile with jikes, you'll need to add that classes.zip as the first item on the classpath`
`13:16.22`	`razzle`	`let's see.. first I should install jikes?`
`13:16.45`	`Twiun`	`jikes for the Zaurus will be in a tarball - no ipk for it`
`13:17.35`	`Twiun`	`http://adorphuye.com/files/ the ZJikes.zip file`
`13:18.51`	`razzle`	`hm i got the one from http://www.micronova.com/ZAURUS`
`13:18.52`	`razzle`	`is it the same?`
`13:19.26`	`Twiun`	`probably`
`13:19.36`	`Twiun`	`you'll soon know if it doesn't work`
`13:19.58`	`MG_Tak`	`Twiun: oh, that way`
`13:20.18`	`MG_Tak`	`Twiun: I was thinking exporting mozilla and gaim`
`13:20.26`	`Twiun`	`MG_Tak: Good god, no ;)`
`13:20.37`	`Twiun`	`MG_Tak: I'm on a p2 266 at work ;)`
`13:20.53`	`razzle`	`looks like there's only a binary in there. So I just need to extract it, right?`
`13:20.56`	`Twiun`	`MG_Tak: w2k, so opera and trillian. puTTY for the ssh`
`13:20.58`	`MG_Tak`	`that is frightening`
`13:21.04`	`MG_Tak`	`opera kicks ass`
`13:21.09`	`Twiun`	`MG_Tak: want frightening? Eclipse is usable ;)`
`13:21.14`	`MG_Tak`	`trillian, I don't like much`
`13:21.25`	`Twiun`	`razzle: yep`
`13:21.43`	`Twiun`	`MG_Tak: I need to be on AIM, MSN and Y! at the same time... easier (cheaper on the ram too)`
`13:21.54`	`razzle`	`gaim keeps crashing for me when I connect my ICQ account`
`13:21.55`	`Twiun`	`MG_Tak: use the sources and change it back ;)`
`13:23.28`	`MG_Tak`	`Do you think I'd be in this channel if I was capable of helping myself that much? ;)`
`13:25.40`	`Twiun`	`Ahhhh, I dunno ;)`
`13:25.49`	`Twiun`	`lots of people straddle a few channels`
`13:28.00`	`razzle`	`do you think it'll work if I extract jikes on my cf card in /mnt/cf/usr/bin ?`
`13:30.20`	`razzle`	`or /mnt/cf/opt/QtPalmtop/bin?`
`13:30.39`	`Twiun`	`it makes no difference where you put it as long as:`
`13:30.54`	`Twiun`	`1) that path is on the PATH, or,`
`13:31.12`	`Twiun`	`2) the jikes binary is symlinked from a path which is on the PATH`
`13:31.40`	`Twiun`	`you could also use absolute paths everytime you call it ;)`
`13:32.32`	`razzle`	`I'll just put it symlink it to my /usr/bin then`
`13:32.36`	`razzle`	`-pu`
`13:32.37`	`razzle`	`t`
`13:37.20`	`razzle`	`hm wtf.. i did ln -s /mnt/cf/usr/bin/jikes /usr/bin/jikes but when I try /usr/bin/jikes or just jikes it says no such file ..`
`13:38.28`	`Twiun`	`dis you chmod +x the jikes binary?`
`13:38.35`	`Twiun`	`s/dis/did/`
`13:39.20`	`razzle`	`it runs fine when i try /mnt/cf/usr/bin/jikes`
`13:39.31`	`razzle`	`do i need to chmod the symlink, too?`
`13:39.45`	`Twiun`	`no, symlinks usually are chmod 777`
`13:39.56`	`razzle`	`hm so whydoesn't it work?`
`13:40.32`	`yeiazel`	`ls -l /usr/bin/jikes`
`13:42.20`	`razzle`	`AAH`
`13:42.26`	`razzle`	`error found`
`13:42.38`	`razzle`	`i didn't type the complete path when creating the symlink`
`13:42.41`	`razzle`	`only relative`
`13:42.45`	`Twiun`	`lol`
`13:43.09`	`razzle`	`^^;; n00b mistake`
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`13:43.43`	`razzle`	`ok working now`
`13:45.35`	`razzle`	`let's see..$CLASSPATH is emtpy. Now I'm supposed to put the classes file in a directory and point CLASSPATH to it, correct?`
`13:46.08`	`Twiun`	`no, with jar and zip files just put them straight into CLASSPATH`
`13:46.31`	`Twiun`	`it's only when you have .class files in a directory that you want to add the directory to the CLASSPATH`
`13:47.15`	`Twiun`	`oh yeah, and you'll find that adding the current dir somewhere in the classpath will save you some hassle`
`13:47.51`	`razzle`	`hehe i somehow guessed the later one.. though where am I supposed to put the classes.zip after all? didn't get that`
`13:48.42`	`Twiun`	`anywhere at all`
`13:49.09`	`Twiun`	`as long as you do something like export CLASSPATH=some/path/classes.zip`
`13:49.48`	`razzle`	`so the whole CLASSPATH could be export CLASSPATH=/foo/classes.zip;. ?`
`13:50.15`	`Twiun`	`almost.... what's your path separators, this isn't windows :)`
`13:50.46`	`razzle`	`ack`
`13:50.46`	`razzle`	`:`
`13:50.48`	`Twiun`	`s/what's/watch/`
`13:51.02`	`Twiun`	`yeah, that should do it`
`13:51.12`	`razzle`	`i could lie now and say I just hit the wrong key on my keyboard..lol`
`13:51.47`	`Twiun`	`when you start running with the j2me binary (cvm) you specify the classpath without classes.zip using: cvm -Djava.class.path=somepaths`
`13:52.26`	`Twiun`	`you're lucky you're getting to learn this stuff in a course ;)`
`13:53.09`	`Twiun`	`... from the javadocs :)`
`13:53.58`	`razzle`	`i know, most people would've been like RTFM but I couldn't find TFM`
`13:55.12`	`Twiun`	`nah, I meant Java in general... Java on the Zaurus was just trial and error`
`13:55.22`	`Twiun`	`that's why I put up my Java FAQ`
`13:56.27`	`Twiun`	`granted it doesn't cover the j2me stuff or the compiler (it's assumed you'll be in the java workplace already)`
`13:57.20`	`razzle`	`well most stuff we're learning right now I already taught myself but I rarely use Java so I forgot most. But when I look at the code, usually it comes back`
`13:57.32`	`MG_Tak`	`razzle: FTFM`
`13:57.35`	`MG_Tak`	`or GTFTFM`
`13:57.53`	`razzle`	`go to fuck the fucking manual?`
`13:58.09`	`Twiun`	`s/fucking/fine/`
`13:58.31`	`MG_Tak`	`google to find TFM :)`
`13:58.56`	`razzle`	`tokyo fm?`
`13:59.02`	`razzle`	`i didn't know you're into jpop`
`14:00.04`	`MG_Tak`	`An RL cafe for Z users with free WiFi cards and access.`
`14:00.11`	`MG_Tak`	`and $8 lattes.`
`14:00.56`	`razzle`	`we got wlan at university but they use some weird cisco implementation that I can't get to work with zeeswan`
`14:01.20`	`MG_Tak`	`razzle: I can't get zeeswan to work at all.`
`14:01.25`	`MG_Tak`	`so you're one step ahead of me..`
`14:01.55`	`razzle`	`hm it SAYS it's running but I don't know for sure`
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`14:02.22`	`razzle`	`couldn't try if it works because of the damn cisco thing`
`14:04.08`	`MG_Tak`	`I can get the freeswan 2 module and the 1.99 tools to work, but they can't interact.`
`14:04.14`	`MG_Tak`	`so I feel like a dumb turd.`
`14:04.38`	`razzle`	`ok you said the pp4zaurus ipk has to be installed manually.. how do I do that? I guess it's not done by simply extracting the files to the correct folders`
`14:04.56`	`MG_Tak`	`should be able to install it from the package manager, no?`
`14:05.21`	`razzle`	`dunno, twiun said something about it being badly packed or something`
`14:05.43`	`razzle`	`hm by the way, is there a pptp version for the Z?`
`14:06.32`	`razzle`	`(my university uses some fucked up VPN implementations..)`
`14:06.46`	`absentia3`	`re`
`14:07.13`	`Twiun`	`MG_Tak: Sun have bolloxed up their ipk several times, they never package it properly`
`14:07.21`	`MG_Tak`	`Twiun: oooh`
`14:07.29`	`Twiun`	`razzle: the ipk format is just a tarbal`
`14:07.41`	`razzle`	`i know`
`14:07.41`	`Twiun`	`razzle: or an ar archive`
`14:07.50`	`razzle`	`but there are some other files in it`
`14:07.54`	`razzle`	`control stuff`
`14:08.12`	`Twiun`	`yeah, but that's not used in the j2me ipk`
`14:08.18`	`Twiun`	`just extract the data.tgz`
`14:08.29`	`razzle`	`ok nice`
`14:08.53`	`Twiun`	`you'll also need the libfloat ipk - should be in the http://adorphuye.com/files`
`14:11.37`	`razzle`	`hm java requires lots of stuff`
`14:13.13`	`Twiun`	`nah, just _this_ java`
`14:13.26`	`Twiun`	`and remember, usually all this is packaged up in a nice sdk`
`14:13.46`	`Twiun`	`developing ON a Zaurus is just a gimmick - it wasn't really intended as a fulltime occupation ;)`
`14:14.18`	`razzle`	`hmm at least perl runs without any hassles`
`14:14.49`	`razzle`	`if i could just get wlan running i wouldn't need to install java, gcc and all the other tools`
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`14:21.45`	`razzle`	`ok let's see j2me, jikes, libfloat and classes.zip are installed`
`14:22.13`	`Twiun`	`cool ;)`
`14:22.34`	`razzle`	`how do I use it?`
`14:23.36`	`Twiun`	`got yourself a java source file you can compile, or some java app you can run?`
`14:23.47`	`razzle`	`got a sourcefile`
`14:24.50`	`Twiun`	`go into the dir where you've got it, jikes -classpath $CLASSPATH mysourcefile.java`
`14:26.45`	`razzle`	`hmm i only got the default output from jikes that I get when I run jikes with no parameters`
`14:27.14`	`Twiun`	`echo $CLASSPATH`
`14:28.44`	`razzle`	`wtf it's empty.. but i already set it..wait. the console restarted because I removed the cf card`
`14:29.57`	`absentia`	`you jknow`
`14:30.02`	`absentia`	`we have like 12 people in our department`
`14:30.10`	`absentia`	`and many days in december, 9 or more people are out.`
`14:30.14`	`absentia`	`it's almost like getting a month off work.`
`14:30.20`	`Twiun`	`sounds about right ;)`
`14:30.22`	`absentia`	`there's a "freeze" from dec 15 through jan 15.`
`14:30.31`	`Twiun`	`that's why I'm starting my new job on dec 1st ;)`
`14:30.39`	`absentia`	`I don't take off those days, because other than warming a seat, it's pretty light.`
`14:30.42`	`Twiun`	`with a week holiday in january`
`14:30.56`	`absentia`	`when I started here`
`14:31.14`	`razzle`	`it couldn't find java/util and java/lang in the folder where i got the classes.zip file`
`14:31.27`	`absentia`	`I said that there were twk choices, I could start in 3 weeks, or in 1 week... but in two weeks from now (back then, before my first week), I have a 1 week trip planned`
`14:31.43`	`absentia`	`and, I'd like to start this next week, but I don't want the following week to apply to vacation...`
`14:31.46`	`absentia`	`and they were ok with that.`
`14:31.53`	`absentia`	`so it was one week on, 1 week vacation.. then back to work.`
`14:31.55`	`absentia`	`kind of nice.`
`14:32.36`	`Twiun`	`and paid vacation, right?`
`14:33.42`	`razzle`	`ah fixed`
`14:34.24`	`razzle`	`hm now i get another error.. no method named "split" was found in type "java/lang/String"`
`14:35.02`	`Twiun`	`yup... this is Java 1.1 you need to support on the Z`
`14:35.07`	`Twiun`	`none of that 1.4 junk ;)`
`14:35.18`	`razzle`	`uh`
`14:35.22`	`razzle`	`damn`
`14:35.31`	`razzle`	`ah well, it was fun trying anway`
`14:35.35`	`Twiun`	`use a StringTokenizer if you want similar functionality`
`14:36.36`	`razzle`	`that was just one of many similar errors, i guess I'll have to keep save for a laptop with debian..`
`14:36.47`	`razzle`	`s/save/saving`
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`14:37.15`	`Twiun`	`razzle: knowing how to achieve certain things without the niceties of java 1.4 will always be useful`
`14:37.29`	`razzle`	`true`
`14:38.07`	`razzle`	`I'll rewrite the whole thing later..`
`14:38.20`	`razzle`	`at least i know java works`
`14:38.20`	`razzle`	`:D`
`14:38.30`	`razzle`	`thanks a lot for your help`
`14:38.32`	`Twiun`	`well... the compiler works`
`14:38.36`	`Twiun`	`no worries`
`14:43.26`	`absentia`	`yup`
`14:43.28`	`absentia`	`paid`
`14:43.34`	`absentia`	`since I'm on salary`
`14:47.06`	`razzle`	`7lastlog -file ~/irclogs/zaurus/java_help_twiun -window 6 -force`
`14:47.11`	`razzle`	`oops`
`14:47.35`	`Twiun`	`another irssi user ;)`
`14:47.40`	`razzle`	`yup :)`
`14:47.47`	`Twiun`	`I log everything all the time - no need to be selective :)`
`14:48.03`	`razzle`	`i don't because I got a quota at university`
`14:48.19`	`razzle`	`though I thought about writing a script that sends logfiles home when try grow too large`
`14:48.31`	`absentia`	`my uni wanted to implement a 750kb quota on students`
`14:48.36`	`razzle`	`s/try/they`
`14:48.36`	`absentia`	`I tried to explain how ludicrous that was.`
`14:48.42`	`razzle`	`lol wtf`
`14:48.42`	`absentia`	`but no one seemed to nderstand my point.`
`14:48.52`	`razzle`	`that's crazy`
`14:49.04`	`razzle`	`well i use the /tmp folder if I need a lot of space`
`14:49.15`	`absentia`	`the head engineer got this number by dividing the disk size for students by the number of students at the uni...`
`14:49.20`	`absentia`	`(not just on the system, etc)`
`14:49.27`	`absentia`	`I use to use /usr/spool/mail`
`14:49.34`	`absentia`	`as it was the largest publically writable folder.`
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`14:49.38`	`absentia`	`and there were quite a few of'm`
`14:49.41`	`razzle`	`it's hard to keep yourself from abusing 100mbit of bandwidth`
`14:49.52`	`razzle`	`yeah some do here, too`
`14:49.52`	`absentia`	`ya, ours was... 56kb`
`14:50.02`	`absentia`	`and we were considered fast, compared to all those 9600 baud losers!`
`14:50.08`	`razzle`	`hehe`
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`15:02.22`	`razzle`	`hm what do you guys think about the Zaurus SL-6000?`
`15:02.58`	`Twiun`	`I prefer the c760 for looks`
`15:03.00`	`razzle`	`it's probably going to be more expensive than a small laptop..`
`15:03.01`	`mickeyl`	`nice specs`
`15:03.03`	`mickeyl`	`ugly`
`15:03.04`	`razzle`	`yeah it looks better`
`15:03.09`	`Twiun`	`but the added specs are nice ;)`
`15:03.31`	`razzle`	`i hope there'll be a c760 style model with C6000 specs..`
`15:03.31`	`yeiazel`	`c800 ? :)`
`15:03.32`	`Twiun`	`actually... the 6000 should make the prices for the c series go down some`
`15:03.46`	`mickeyl`	`I'd hope so, but I doubt a clamshell successor will follow soon`
`15:03.55`	`razzle`	`importing from Japan is WAY cheaper by the way`
`15:04.08`	`yeiazel`	`mickeyl: why not`
`15:04.15`	`razzle`	`i saw the C760 going away for ~$400-500 at Yahoo Japan`
`15:04.16`	`Twiun`	`razzle: still out of my current price range ;)`
`15:04.22`	`razzle`	`yeah same here`
`15:04.39`	`Twiun`	`the 5000d was a similar price when it first came out`
`15:04.55`	`absentia`	`could I be so bored that my day is reduced to hitting reload on slashdot waiting for anything (interesting) to occur?`
`15:05.25`	`Twiun`	`sounds like me... except that opera reloads for me`
`15:05.27`	`razzle`	`better than hitting reload on bash.org ;)`
`15:05.42`	`Twiun`	`and I've also got theregister and freshmeat on there ;)`
`15:05.46`	`absentia`	`bash.org!`
`15:05.53`	`razzle`	`i mean there are funny quotes but doing it allday...`
`15:05.57`	`absentia`	`I've already done the register, drudge, etc.`
`15:07.06`	`razzle`	`I'm still trying to find the right format to run movies on my Z.. no matter what i tried so far, audio and video run out of sync after a while`
`15:09.56`	`yeiazel`	`no pb here`
`15:10.12`	`yeiazel`	`divx, 320xX (where X <240)`
`15:10.30`	`yeiazel`	`audio @ 64kbps, video @ 200-300 kbps`
`15:10.31`	`razzle`	`mp3 stereo >128kbit?`
`15:10.43`	`razzle`	`or ogg?`
`15:10.49`	`yeiazel`	`mp3`
`15:11.01`	`yeiazel`	`(works with 128, but takes too much space :)`
`15:11.23`	`yeiazel`	`the video is the tricky part...`
`15:11.35`	`yeiazel`	`video @ 96 kbps is too ugly :)`
`15:12.08`	`razzle`	`hm i got a 256mb cf, so space shouldn't be an issue for 30min. movies`
`15:13.20`	`yeiazel`	`I've tried to put 2 'full' movies on 1 256MB cf`
`15:13.39`	`yeiazel`	`anyway, my battery's dying, it doesn't last enough for 2 movies`
`15:14.41`	`razzle`	`so you say divx (5.0.3?) at 320x240 @ 200-300 kbps and audio 64-128kbps (mp3 or ogg?)`
`15:16.05`	`yeiazel`	`xvid`
`15:16.34`	`yeiazel`	`xvid, a@64, v@150-300`
`15:16.40`	`razzle`	`ok`
`15:17.04`	`razzle`	`does 128kbit audio produce out-of-sync audio or is it just because of the size?`
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`15:17.10`	`yeiazel`	`the most important thing is the keep video rate < 300-400 or so`
`15:17.20`	`yeiazel`	`I've seen lags @ 600`
`15:17.31`	`yeiazel`	`razzle: just because of the size (about the audio)`
`15:17.41`	`razzle`	`ok`
`16:13.00`	`absentia`	`hey`
`16:13.06`	`absentia`	`is offrdgeek here or w8 ?`
`16:20.53`	`fliplap`	`razzle: i wrote a script to convert video for the Z using mencoder, its in the OZ Faq`
`16:26.55`	`MG_Tak`	`hi ChipX86`
`16:26.57`	`ChipX86`	`hi`
`16:33.21`	`MG_Tak`	`go to my class for me?`
`16:34.00`	`Twiun`	`MG_Tak: studying CS too?`
`16:34.45`	`ChipX86`	`no, go to class for _me_`
`16:34.46`	`MG_Tak`	`Twiun: yep`
`16:34.48`	`ChipX86`	`you'll get to learn about pigs`
`16:34.53`	`MG_Tak`	`last semester`
`16:34.54`	`MG_Tak`	`hopefully`
`16:34.59`	`MG_Tak`	`and I'm having to retake a class :(`
`16:35.05`	`MG_Tak`	`discrete structures`
`16:35.07`	`MG_Tak`	`yuck`
`16:35.10`	`MG_Tak`	`alright, I'm outta here.`
`16:35.12`	`MG_Tak`	`later folks`
`16:35.45`	`Twiun`	`cyas`
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`16:48.14`	`eng`	`hmm, glasses just broke.. i have one class left...`
`16:48.17`	`eng`	`should I go to work?`
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`16:55.20`	`Twiun`	`gerrynjr: yeah you should - and then just procrastinate`
`16:55.42`	`gerrynjr`	`Twiun, well, i could go home`
`16:55.47`	`gerrynjr`	`and get ym glassess fixed`
`16:55.54`	`gerrynjr`	`b/c i can't read the bloody screen!`
`16:56.03`	`Twiun`	`lol`
`16:56.27`	`gerrynjr`	`they're being held togethre w/ just a dab of crazy glue...`
`16:56.44`	`absentia`	`use a bandaid`
`16:56.48`	`absentia`	`or duct tape`
`16:56.58`	`gerrynjr`	`absentia, nah....`
`16:57.11`	`gerrynjr`	`I can drive w/ crazy glue...`
`16:57.18`	`absentia`	`otherwise, you might lose your geek card.`
`16:57.37`	`gerrynjr`	`absentia, i'm a geek damnit`
`16:57.52`	`absentia`	`prove it`
`16:58.11`	`gerrynjr`	`absentia, I was able to crazy glue the lense on`
`16:58.16`	`gerrynjr`	`I refresh slashdot daily..`
`16:58.21`	`gerrynjr`	`and i ssh into my system daily`
`16:58.27`	`gerrynjr`	`my entire system is compiled from source`
`16:58.34`	`gerrynjr`	`that geek enough for yas?`
`16:59.00`	`treke`	`compiling everything from source makes you a moron not a geek :p`
`16:59.00`	`absentia`	`daily!`
`16:59.03`	`absentia`	`DAILY?!`
`16:59.05`	`absentia`	`get outta here.`
`16:59.11`	`gerrynjr`	`treke> nope... it makes my system run faster`
`16:59.25`	`treke`	`absentia: maybe he uses screen and only needs to log in once a day :p`
`16:59.26`	`gerrynjr`	`treke> fully optimized system`
`16:59.39`	`gerrynjr`	`absentia, ah.. I have automatic refresh...`
`16:59.41`	`absentia`	`that's like my father who use to say that he had email... he checked it once a week.`
`16:59.59`	`gerrynjr`	`absentia, _I_ refresh it once a day`
`17:00.19`	`absentia`	`?`
`17:00.46`	`gerrynjr`	`well.. off to class`
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`17:26.48`	`W8TVI`	`hey absentia`
`17:26.52`	`W8TVI`	`what ya need?`
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`17:45.02`	`absentia`	`w8: on zaurususergroup`
`17:45.18`	`absentia`	`I'm wondering if you or offrdgeek removed an entry I made under the howtos / c7x0 general info ?`
`17:46.12`	`W8TVI`	`I dont know if offroadgeek did, but I didn't`
`17:46.17`	`absentia`	`ok`
`17:46.24`	`absentia`	`I'll ask'm when he comes'round next.`
`17:46.31`	`W8TVI`	`I think I removed an empty one under the c7x0`
`17:46.52`	`absentia`	`I added a link to an offsite page.... and it now seems to be missing`
`17:47.03`	`absentia`	`although it's not a "howto" it is a document on general info and refs for c7x0`
`17:47.22`	`absentia`	`I can't seem to find it in the diffs for the page, though.`
`17:47.26`	`W8TVI`	`hmmm... dont know`
`17:47.30`	`absentia`	`ok`
`18:00.59`	`absentia`	`You mean it doesn't end with Keanu Reeves waking up, turning to Alex Winter and saying "Bill, I just had a most excellent dream!"? Shame.`
`18:01.00`	`absentia`	`Simon,UK`
`18:02.07`	`W8TVI`	`dang!`
`18:02.09`	`treke\|laptop`	`hehe`
`18:02.34`	`absentia`	`:-)`
`18:03.06`	`treke\|laptop`	`<agent smith> be excellent to each other.`
`18:04.54`	`absentia`	`"You can't just review it. You have to realize... there is no movie."`
`18:04.54`	`absentia`	`Yeah the reviewers are saying that too.`
`18:05.26`	`absentia`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:06.06`	`treke\|laptop`	`I had been thinking of going to see it tonight, not going to bother now :)`
`18:06.29`	`W8TVI`	`I want to see it anyway :)`
`18:06.42`	`absentia`	`I'm thinking 'bout scary movie 3`
`18:06.44`	`absentia`	`anyone seen that ?`
`18:07.11`	`treke\|laptop`	`W8TVI, I'd thought that the second sucked, but was going to give #3 the benefit of the doubt`
`18:07.21`	`levi`	`Both Ebert and Roeper apparently gave Matrix Revolutions a thumb's up.`
`18:07.32`	`absentia`	`5. Keanu Reeves performance was subpar, even for him`
`18:08.15`	`W8TVI`	`the second one didn't suck that much... just the rave in the middle`
`18:08.20`	`treke\|laptop`	`levi, that seals it`
`18:08.28`	`absentia`	`treke: one word .. "ewok"`
`18:09.00`	`levi`	`Hey, I often agree with Ebert. Haven't really read many of Roeper's reviews.`
`18:09.04`	`absentia`	`levi: actually, I think they both had those thumbs up each other's ass... and they just forgot they were actually at a movie.`
`18:09.20`	`absentia`	`there's one person .. Iuse to read... on usatoday... or someting`
`18:09.25`	`absentia`	`some lady... who just didn't get anything.`
`18:09.29`	`absentia`	`if she hated a movie, I knew I'd love it`
`18:09.38`	`absentia`	`if she loved a movie, I knew I would hate it`
`18:09.40`	`absentia`	`worked like a charm.`
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`18:38.27`	`Kent_Z`	`Is anyone there?`
`18:46.54`	`blitzrage`	`so QTopia 1.7 desktop for Linux won't work with a v3 based ROM?`
`18:47.08`	`blitzrage`	`such as theKompany ROM?`
`18:48.05`	`Twiun`	`that's sounds quite likely`
`18:48.08`	`Twiun`	`blame Sharp`
`18:48.14`	`treke\|laptop`	`right`
`18:48.34`	`treke\|laptop`	`you can only use the qtopia desktop 1.5.4 build that sharp distributes`
`18:49.15`	`blitzrage`	`what ROM are you using right now, and what do you use to sync? I want to start syncing my zaurus with a Linux desktop, which I haven't actually done yet :)`
`18:50.11`	`Twiun`	`then again I don't use any Qt on my Z atm`
`18:50.22`	`Twiun`	`the ROM is a custom build of OZ`
`18:50.28`	`treke\|laptop`	`Twiun, ha`
`18:51.01`	`Twiun`	`treke\|laptop: raw java on the fb ;)`
`18:51.11`	`Twiun`	`treke\|laptop: who needs the overhead of Qt anyway!`
`18:51.27`	`blitzrage`	`how do you guys transfer files from your desktop to the zaurus in linux?`
`18:51.44`	`Disconnect`	`blitzrage: there is a guy working on a z-side syncml (IIRC) "client" for syncing to OS-X. the bonus is that multisync and company support it. http://www.hgsc.bcm.tmc.edu/~kdurbin/zsync.html`
`18:51.48`	`blitzrage`	`I've done this a bunch of times with Windows.. but never with linux :)`
`18:51.58`	`Disconnect`	`blitzrage: irobex_palm3, scp, ftp, wget...`
`18:52.09`	`Disconnect`	`for big stuff I'll just chuck it onto my CF`
`18:52.13`	`treke\|laptop`	`blitzrage, wget or cf`
`18:52.18`	`blitzrage`	`Disconnect: ahhh.. makes sense`
`18:52.26`	`blitzrage`	`yah.. I have a USB CF reader`
`18:52.35`	`blitzrage`	`thats how I usually transfer from windows lately`
`18:52.44`	`W8TVI`	`they are nice`
`18:52.46`	`Disconnect`	`the basic theory (as I understand their project) is that since you can only use DTM on the z itself, use a Z app to convert between DTM and something open/useful/etc`
`18:52.49`	`Twiun`	`you should be able to use winSCP in windows too`
`18:53.28`	`blitzrage`	`nice. ok, got a good idea now. I'll go and play and get something working.`
`18:53.36`	`blitzrage`	`ooo.. crazy`
`18:53.48`	`blitzrage`	`what ROM you prefer? OZ ?`
`18:54.20`	`W8TVI`	`hugs even`
`18:54.28`	`Twiun`	`OZ's not yet really for the faint hearted though. Still too many rough edges ;)`
`18:55.01`	`blitzrage`	`Disconnect: what do you use now?`
`18:55.08`	`Twiun`	`Disconnect: guaranteed there should be a minimum of 5 or 6`
`18:55.24`	`blitzrage`	`I've been using theKompany rom lately with pretty good success`
`18:55.26`	`Twiun`	`Disconnect: esp as kergoth's getting paid to do OE ;)`
`18:55.43`	`blitzrage`	`OE?`
`18:55.59`	`blitzrage`	`oh.. OpenEmbedded?`
`18:56.03`	`Twiun`	`the build system OZ is migrating to`
`18:56.08`	`Twiun`	`yeah`
`18:56.15`	`blitzrage`	`when is that expected?`
`18:56.23`	`blitzrage`	`I've seen OZ at 3.2 for quite a while now.`
`18:56.26`	`kergoth`	`when is what expected?`
`18:56.29`	`kergoth`	`we arent working on a release.`
`18:56.33`	`kergoth`	`we're working on the transition`
`18:57.21`	`W8TVI`	`once is done, I bet they'll fix some bugs and release a new oz...`
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`18:58.26`	`blitzrage`	`I've just kinda been outta the loop for a bit, and not use exactly what is going on with OZ :)`
`18:59.15`	`Twiun`	`there's always got to be a weirdo`
`18:59.46`	`absentia`	`what?!`
`18:59.54`	`treke\|laptop`	`unison does a good job`
`18:59.57`	`absentia`	`what was the question ?`
`18:59.59`	`treke\|laptop`	`better than rsync imo`
`19:01.10`	`Twiun`	`ahhh, that explains the quality we've been seeing ;)`
`19:02.34`	`treke\|laptop`	`nice thing about unison is that it handles file deletions`
`19:03.06`	`absentia`	`so does rsync`
`19:03.14`	`absentia`	`rsync does delta copies within files.`
`19:03.19`	`absentia`	`I had to do`
`19:03.26`	`treke\|laptop`	`rsync handles file changes on both sides?`
`19:03.35`	`absentia`	`rsync, sd fs crash, reboot, fsck, reboot, repeat`
`19:03.41`	`absentia`	`to get zdebian onto my 760`
`19:04.12`	`absentia`	`I don't know how you could make two way changes on the same file work... but one can have precedence over the other.`
`19:05.09`	`treke\|laptop`	`Not changes to the same files`
`19:05.56`	`absentia`	`schilling [742]> alias rsync`
`19:05.56`	`absentia`	`rsync -vazSHe ssh`
`19:06.00`	`absentia`	`those are the options I use`
`19:06.06`	`Disconnect`	`treke\|laptop: drsync is the bidirectional sync`
`19:06.10`	`treke\|laptop`	`obviously that needs some human input or a rule to prefer one side, but does rsync handle the case where file A is deleted on the zaurus and file b is deleted on the server, then make sure both files are gone on both sides?`
`19:06.57`	`absentia`	`rsync can do deletes, but I'm not sure if you're asking for something else.`
`19:07.25`	`Disconnect`	`http://hacks.dlux.hu/drsync/`
`19:07.48`	`treke\|laptop`	`ok, we have two computers, does rsync just make one computer look like the other computer, or cant it be set up to merge the two together?`
`19:08.34`	`Disconnect`	`treke\|laptop: you can tell it to delete 'missing' files or to leave them alone (or to archive them)`
`19:08.53`	`Disconnect`	`with rsync. with drsync, well.. I gotta look at it more ;)`
`19:09.18`	`absentia`	`ya`
`19:09.20`	`absentia`	`just read the usage page.`
`19:09.46`	`treke\|laptop`	`hmmm. suddenly imap is sort of working`
`19:10.06`	`treke\|laptop`	`a miracle`
`19:10.32`	`absentia`	`heheh`
`19:11.32`	`Disconnect`	`treke\|laptop: did you 'suddenly' change something? ;)`
`19:11.50`	`treke\|laptop`	`Disconnect, I've changed quite a bit off stuff`
`19:13.11`	`Twiun`	`absentia: how's your SDL?`
`19:13.28`	`Disconnect`	`it takes a surprisingly long time to init a 450G array..`
`19:13.30`	`treke\|laptop`	`Disconnect, I'm hoping the change that made it work wasn't me going to work`
`19:13.38`	`Disconnect`	`heh`
`19:13.38`	`treke\|laptop`	`Disconnect, If it was, it means no imap for me :p`
`19:14.05`	`Luke-Jr`	`no imap?!?! :(`
`19:14.26`	`treke\|laptop`	`Luke-Jr, been way to slow from home`
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`19:14.41`	`Luke-Jr`	`use SquirrelMail?`
`19:14.54`	`treke\|laptop`	`Luke-Jr, no.`
`19:15.04`	`treke\|laptop`	`I hate webmail.`
`19:15.15`	`Luke-Jr`	`Well most IMAP mail clients will try to download headers for the entire mail folder =p`
`19:15.49`	`treke\|laptop`	`which is a sizable bit of data :)`
`19:15.55`	`Luke-Jr`	`yes`
`19:16.00`	`Luke-Jr`	`that's why it'd be slow`
`19:16.10`	`Luke-Jr`	`the only thing that makes IMAP usable is cache, really`
`19:16.41`	`treke\|laptop`	`Supposedly it was being cached.`
`19:16.44`	`Luke-Jr`	`which unfortunately means I have 2 copies of all my email headers =p`
`19:17.07`	`treke\|laptop`	`space is cheap :)`
`19:18.05`	`Luke-Jr`	`they go back to around 1999`
`19:18.43`	`treke\|laptop`	`if it costs me 200mb of storage to save a sizable amount of time, that's fine by me`
`19:18.57`	`absentia`	`wais ?`
`19:19.04`	`Luke-Jr`	`600?`
`19:19.15`	`treke\|laptop`	`Luke-Jr, 600 would also be acceptable`
`19:19.40`	`Luke-Jr`	`o well`
`19:19.51`	`Luke-Jr`	`I guess the reason it hurts me is because I have so many backups of it`
`19:19.57`	`Disconnect`	`wasn't someone in here a couple weeks ago looking for tips on a mail reader?`
`19:20.04`	`Luke-Jr`	`me?`
`19:20.14`	`Disconnect`	`to write one I mean.`
`19:20.16`	`Disconnect`	`was that you?`
`19:20.17`	`Luke-Jr`	`o`
`19:20.18`	`Luke-Jr`	`nope`
`19:20.42`	`treke\|laptop`	`none that work :)`
`19:20.42`	`Disconnect`	`it was one of those "what would your ideal mail client do" ..`
`19:20.55`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke\|bed: yea, I guessed that after a while =p`
`19:21.13`	`Disconnect`	`Luke-Jr: the sharp mail client does imap. it sucks a LOT, but it does it. right up until it goes OOM and gets itself killed off.`
`19:21.24`	`Luke-Jr`	`Disconnect: Mozilla, but at a decent speed`
`19:21.32`	`Luke-Jr`	`Disconnect: it doesn't do it right`
`19:22.05`	`absentia`	`I wrote a perl script to sort mbox files by date... I thought that was fairly nifty.`
`19:22.08`	`Luke-Jr`	`IIRC, it tried to download every message on the server...`
`19:23.17`	`Disconnect`	`I ran it this morning, it seemed to just get headers. but it won't let you set an "ignore these subscribed boxes" so it pulled up LOTS of headers. (prolly close to 40k of them) and cratered.`
`19:23.31`	`Disconnect`	`hrm. yah, come to think of it.`
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`19:23.36`	`Disconnect`	`it does dl all the messages.`
`19:23.48`	`Luke-Jr`	`tries to*`
`19:23.51`	`Disconnect`	`so thats another point against it - there's no "I'm online, dumbass" button.`
`19:24.01`	`Luke-Jr`	`obviously, it won't work with a 400-600 MB mailbox`
`19:24.09`	`Disconnect`	`(and no 'download most recent X [days/messages/...]')`
`19:24.46`	`Luke-Jr`	`"Download most recent X [days/messages/...]" <-- one feature missing in Mozilla`
`19:24.55`	`treke\|laptop`	`hehe`
`19:25.22`	`kergoth`	`treke\|laptop: mutt+fetchmail? :)`
`19:25.33`	`treke\|laptop`	`kergoth, heh`
`19:25.39`	`treke\|laptop`	`kergoth, want pretty`
`19:25.47`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`19:25.55`	`kergoth`	`would be nice to have an mbox/maildir capable opie mail app`
`19:26.03`	`Luke-Jr`	`SunBird is pretty`
`19:26.10`	`Luke-Jr`	`it's not for mail tho`
`19:26.22`	`kergoth`	`echo heh \| mail kergoth@zaurus`
`19:26.27`	`kergoth`	`would be spiffy`
`19:26.28`	`Luke-Jr`	`kergoth: who's going to store their mail on the Z locally??`
`19:26.30`	`treke\|laptop`	`kergoth, gonna try out sylpheed when I finally get switched over to X`
`19:26.34`	`treke\|laptop`	`Luke-Jr, I would.`
`19:26.59`	`treke\|laptop`	`I didnt say all of it`
`19:27.10`	`Luke-Jr`	`then IMAP would work better still =p`
`19:27.10`	`kergoth`	`could forward useful bits to your Z, i'd use it too`
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`19:27.28`	`treke\|laptop`	`Luke-Jr, imap clients are obviously difficult to write.`
`19:27.37`	`treke\|laptop`	`mbox readers arent, relativily speaking`
`19:27.48`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke\|bed: I think IMAP would be easier than mbox reader`
`19:28.01`	`absentia`	`can't you forard mail to your z now ?`
`19:28.14`	`absentia`	`has anyone tried compiling qmail on the z?`
`19:28.15`	`absentia`	`:->`
`19:28.17`	`Disconnect`	`full-online-only imap should be pretty simple.`
`19:28.33`	`absentia`	`or put up a static sendmail ?`
`19:28.37`	`treke\|laptop`	`right, but full online only imap is only of marginal use for me :p`
`19:28.55`	`Disconnect`	`yah.`
`19:28.59`	`treke\|laptop`	`tht is what opiemail2 is`
`19:29.49`	`kergoth`	`absentia: i crosscompiled postfix.. :P`
`19:30.07`	`absentia`	`ah`
`19:30.24`	`treke\|laptop`	`hehe, it works with some imap servers`
`19:30.32`	`Luke-Jr`	`it doesn't install for me`
`19:30.37`	`Luke-Jr`	`cuz I don't use Opie`
`19:30.51`	`kergoth`	`it should work find under sharp with libopie installed`
`19:30.53`	`treke\|laptop`	`what does using opie have to do with anything?`
`19:31.08`	`absentia`	`luke: really?`
`19:31.11`	`Luke-Jr`	`treke\|bed: I'm assuming that's why it doesn't install`
`19:31.14`	`absentia`	`can I use your 760 inthe meantime?`
`19:31.16`	`kergoth`	`Luke-Jr: not going to happen.`
`19:31.23`	`Luke-Jr`	`absentia: No, I still use it for non-mail`
`19:31.26`	`Luke-Jr`	`kergoth: ?`
`19:31.27`	`kergoth`	`Luke-Jr: just about every embedded gentoo person went over to zynot`
`19:31.29`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`19:31.38`	`Luke-Jr`	`kergoth: #gentoo-embedded`
`19:31.40`	`absentia`	`what's zynot ?`
`19:31.45`	`kergoth`	`and zynot isnt going anywhere until they finish the new portage-like packaging system`
`19:31.46`	`Luke-Jr`	`absentia: fork`
`19:31.48`	`kergoth`	`Luke-Jr: i know.`
`19:31.53`	`Luke-Jr`	`kergoth: we're alive`
`19:31.55`	`absentia`	`ARGH!`
`19:31.59`	`absentia`	`yet another split`
`19:32.02`	`kergoth`	`Luke-Jr: by what definition of living?`
`19:32.08`	`absentia`	`sooner or later there's gonna be an atomic explosion`
`19:32.11`	`Luke-Jr`	`kergoth: people are working on it actively`
`19:32.48`	`Luke-Jr`	`I think the main problem is that the Portage tree itself is huge`
`19:32.49`	`kergoth`	`does your portage support crosscompilation yet?`
`19:32.56`	`kergoth`	`cause OE does, and its portage based`
`19:32.58`	`Luke-Jr`	`partially`
`19:33.01`	`Luke-Jr`	`does it need to? =p`
`19:33.05`	`treke\|laptop`	`Luke-Jr, yes.`
`19:33.07`	`Luke-Jr`	`my Z is half as fast as my desktop`
`19:33.12`	`kergoth`	`your desktop sucks.`
`19:33.15`	`Luke-Jr`	`yes it does`
`19:33.19`	`kergoth`	`and building wont be half the speed`
`19:33.19`	`absentia`	`rofl`
`19:33.22`	`kergoth`	`itll be much much less`
`19:33.24`	`absentia`	`I think my Z is faster than my desktop`
`19:33.29`	`Luke-Jr`	`why not?`
`19:33.42`	`treke\|laptop`	`io`
`19:34.00`	`treke\|laptop`	`sd and cf are both pretty slow.`
`19:34.02`	`kergoth`	`not to mention ./configure slowness, arm machines are quite slow at configure runs due to the extensive forkin`
`19:34.05`	`Luke-Jr`	`o`
`19:34.31`	`Luke-Jr`	`Well, I think the only problem w/ cross compiling is noone's decided how to emerge them yet =p`
`19:34.39`	`Luke-Jr`	`whether to use a gcc-powerpc gcc-arm or what`
`19:34.40`	`absentia`	`they have, what, 60GB on them?`
`19:34.46`	`Luke-Jr`	`absentia: ???`
`19:34.51`	`treke\|laptop`	`absentia, something like that`
`19:35.01`	`absentia`	`luke: ipaq/skiff @ handhelds`
`19:35.19`	`treke\|laptop`	`Luke-Jr, that's not exactly a trivial question to answer`
`19:35.43`	`Luke-Jr`	`skiff?`
`19:35.50`	`treke\|laptop`	`an arm based device`
`19:35.55`	`absentia`	`http://m54.spy.org/zaurus/public/images/cluster-handhelds.jpg`
`19:36.00`	`treke\|laptop`	`similar to a 5500/ipaq in specs`
`19:37.05`	`Luke-Jr`	`and it has 60g?`
`19:37.27`	`treke\|laptop`	`It has a 1 or 2 gig hard drive attached`
`19:37.32`	`treke\|laptop`	`and 60 or so over nfs`
`19:37.36`	`Luke-Jr`	`oh`
`19:38.04`	`Luke-Jr`	`BTW, any place I can send feature requests to Sharp Japan? =p`
`19:38.34`	`absentia`	`devnull@zaurus.com.jp`
`19:38.34`	`absentia`	`?`
`19:38.38`	`kergoth`	`Luke-Jr: they dont listen.`
`19:38.43`	`Luke-Jr`	`why not? :(`
`19:38.44`	`kergoth`	`they didnt listen 2 years ago, they dont listen todya`
`19:39.02`	`treke\|laptop`	`because they don't know what to do with user input`
`19:39.08`	`Luke-Jr`	`implement =p`
`19:42.57`	`Disconnect`	`ibot: skiffcluster`
`19:42.59`		`it has been said that skiffcluster is at http://handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html`
`19:43.38`	`Disconnect`	`(and the ipaqs in that cluster tend to work better, or at least they did 6 months ago)`
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`19:59.04`	`*** join/#zaurus rev\|lib (rev@umd111-13.d.umn.edu)`
`20:02.15`	`treke\|laptop`	`rev.`
`20:02.31`	`rev\|lib`	`treke.`
`20:04.20`	`treke\|laptop`	`rev.`
`20:04.34`	`rev\|lib`	`what's`
`20:05.14`	`treke\|laptop`	`rev\|lib, survived a gui all day so far`
`20:05.30`	`rev\|lib`	`what you using?`
`20:05.38`	`treke\|laptop`	`gnome.`
`20:05.53`	`rev\|lib`	`ah`
`20:06.05`	`rev\|lib`	`rh8/9 style, or stock gnome2?`
`20:06.19`	`treke\|laptop`	`stock`
`20:06.48`	`treke\|laptop`	`it's starting to get on my nerves though :)`
`20:06.54`	`rev\|lib`	`YEAH`
`20:06.56`	`rev\|lib`	`er`
`20:06.57`	`rev\|lib`	`yeah`
`20:06.59`	`rev\|lib`	`they do that`
`20:07.05`	`rev\|lib`	`semi-bad guis that is`
`20:07.38`	`treke\|laptop`	`havent tried kde lately since it wont install, wonder if that would get on my nerves as much`
`20:09.21`	`rev\|lib`	`yes`
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`20:21.47`	`rev\|lib`	`wb t`
`20:21.50`	`rev\|lib`	`but`
`20:21.56`	`rev\|lib`	`i don't think KDE will be any less annoying`
`20:22.00`	`rev\|lib`	`though i encourage you to find that out for yourself`
`20:22.11`	`rev\|lib`	`i was annoyed when i did- you can install KDE on RH8 but you can't remove it`
`20:23.53`	`rev\|lib`	`yeah, KDE is a hog`
`20:24.00`	`rev\|lib`	`i never tried to configure gnome too much`
`20:24.05`	`rev\|lib`	`i liked how it was on RH8`
`20:24.15`	`rev\|lib`	`until i realized that it was getting in my way, and just went back to ion :P`
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`20:35.38`	`rev\|lib`	`yo yo`
`20:35.39`	`rev\|lib`	`again`
`20:36.01`	`treke`	`yo yo`
`20:38.00`	`ChipX86\|School`	`yay for yoyos`
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`20:40.47`	`absentia`	`the only thing I configure .... under cde was the snap to grid for moving off the screen`
`20:40.48`	`absentia`	`I set it to 0 pixels.`
`20:42.46`	`rev\|lib`	`heh`
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`20:43.07`	`Aadaam`	`hi all`
`20:43.23`	`Aadaam`	`one of my friend has a problem with Zaurus<->PC over IR...`
`20:43.29`	`Aadaam`	`could somebody help?`
`20:51.43`	`Aadaam`	`bye all`
`20:51.47`	`*** part/#zaurus Aadaam (~aadaam@hoover.teteny.bme.hu)`
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`20:57.07`	`angry`	`are there any spreadsheet apps for the zaurus that can do statistical analysis and graphing?`
`21:05.12`	`rev\|lib`	`depends on what you mean by "statistical analysis"`
`21:05.13`	`rev\|lib`	`and`
`21:05.17`	`rev\|lib`	`what you mean by "for the zaurus"`
`21:05.19`	`rev\|lib`	`do you mean for qtopia?`
`21:05.32`	`absentia`	`"Give us your opinion of the movie," they asked.`
`21:05.32`	`absentia`	`I replied, "How about this, I give you the finger, and you give me my $9.75 back."`
`21:05.32`	`rev\|lib`	`hancom sheet can do a tiny bit of statistics`
`21:05.34`	`rev\|lib`	`but not much`
`21:05.41`	`rev\|lib`	`9.75 for a movie!?`
`21:06.40`	`treke`	`good lord that a lot of money`
`21:06.42`	`absentia`	`$10 here in nyc`
`21:06.46`	`treke`	`check this out, check this out`
`21:07.14`	`MG_Tak`	`kergoth: you around?`
`21:07.23`	`treke`	`actually it's 10 bucks here also`
`21:07.31`	`MG_Tak`	`absentia: that's pretty funny. :)`
`21:07.45`	`absentia`	`what?`
`21:07.48`	`absentia`	`the quote? ya.`
`21:07.53`	`MG_Tak`	`the opinion you gave`
`21:07.58`	`absentia`	`(or the $10 movies in nyc?)`
`21:07.59`	`absentia`	`ah`
`21:08.06`	`rev\|lib`	`man`
`21:08.08`	`rev\|lib`	`that sucks abs`
`21:08.08`	`absentia`	`that wasn't mine.. that was from a slashdot discussion`
`21:08.19`	`rev\|lib`	`our movies ar 6.75 IIRC at prime time`
`21:08.25`	`absentia`	`ah`
`21:08.29`	`MG_Tak`	`rev\|lib: where the heck you live? Alaska?`
`21:08.31`	`rev\|lib`	`haha`
`21:08.31`	`rev\|lib`	`no`
`21:08.33`	`rev\|lib`	`well`
`21:08.34`	`rev\|lib`	`close`
`21:08.35`	`rev\|lib`	`northern MN`
`21:08.43`	`MG_Tak`	`heh :)`
`21:08.44`	`heatxsink`	`10 bucks for what movies?`
`21:08.48`	`heatxsink`	`pay per view?`
`21:08.53`	`treke`	`heatxsink: theaters`
`21:09.00`	`rev\|lib`	`isn't PPV usually like $3?`
`21:09.12`	`rev\|lib`	`i can't say i've ordered a PPV in a long time though, not since i lived with my parents`
`21:09.26`	`rev\|lib`	`and even then, it was $3 for a regular movie, but more- $6+ ? for a porno`
`21:09.31`	`rev\|lib`	`so perhaps that is what heatxsink is thinking`
`21:09.40`	`rev\|lib`	`we did it a handful of times`
`21:09.40`	`rev\|lib`	`well`
`21:09.50`	`rev\|lib`	`it started making sense when blockbuster started jacking prices`
`21:09.59`	`rev\|lib`	`and it'd cost $2-4 to rent af ucking movie`
`21:10.05`	`rev\|lib`	`why not spend $3 and not have to go there?`
`21:10.10`	`rev\|lib`	`yeah, netflix owns`
`21:10.13`	`rev\|lib`	`that's what we use`
`21:10.17`	`absentia`	`$19.95`
`21:10.18`	`rev\|lib`	`although, i doubt it was around then`
`21:10.25`	`absentia`	`usually average 6-9 movies a month now`
`21:10.26`	`rev\|lib`	`and i'm certainly not advocating for PPV`
`21:10.32`	`absentia`	`although were were doing 3 a week when we first started.`
`21:10.38`	`rev\|lib`	`heh`
`21:10.40`	`absentia`	`they don't have ... sgt york and to hell and back`
`21:10.41`	`absentia`	`:-<`
`21:10.45`	`rev\|lib`	`awww`
`21:10.47`	`rev\|lib`	`that blows`
`21:11.05`	`absentia`	`I'm stuck with ch!t like XXX diesel and friends, season 6`
`21:12.23`	`rev\|lib`	`haha`
`21:12.25`	`rev\|lib`	`lame`
`21:12.51`	`rev\|lib`	`yeah`
`21:12.54`	`rev\|lib`	`goiod queston`
`21:12.55`	`absentia`	`zaurus is dead`
`21:12.55`	`MG_Tak`	`ibot: what's zsi?`
`21:12.57`		`methinks zsi is http://killefiz.de/zaurus/ and you can search zsi right now by typing 'ibot search zsi for <searchtext>' or 'ibot show recent zsi'`
`21:13.05`	`rev\|lib`	`absentia: zaurus? meaning the zaurus or some page`
`21:13.06`	`rev\|lib`	`?`
`21:13.06`	`absentia`	`ibot: ZSIII`
`21:13.09`		`absentia: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.`
`21:13.14`	`rev\|lib`	`heh`
`21:13.15`	`MG_Tak`	`ibot: thanks`
`21:13.15`		`de nada, MG_Tak`
`21:13.24`	`absentia`	`zsi 2`
`21:13.46`	`absentia`	`that's been under development for what, 2 a year?`
`21:14.12`	`rev\|lib`	`nor do i`
`21:14.15`	`rev\|lib`	`different colors`
`21:14.17`	`rev\|lib`	`ooooooooh`
`21:14.34`	`absentia`	`:-)`
`21:14.44`	`absentia`	`it's like skins....`
`21:15.00`	`MG_Tak`	`it has a different URL!`
`21:15.02`	`MG_Tak`	`that's it`
`21:15.12`	`absentia`	`what we need is a small ring of sites that mirror and do the zsi type listing, but also allow people to upload the ipk/file to the site`
`21:15.17`	`absentia`	`too many dead links on zsi`
`21:15.21`	`absentia`	`ever try to find mame?`
`21:15.24`	`rev\|lib`	`quite`
`21:15.30`	`rev\|lib`	`nope`
`21:15.34`	`rev\|lib`	`but i've had the same thing with other packages`
`21:15.38`	`absentia`	`people have been begging for ipkg-new on every board`
`21:15.43`	`absentia`	`I finally put up a copy of my site, etc.`
`21:15.44`	`rev\|lib`	`oi`
`21:15.57`	`absentia`	`but I don't have the bandwidth to host.`
`21:16.07`	`absentia`	`other than a file or two (and my personal stuffs)`
`21:16.20`	`kergoth`	`OZ could practically be a zsi of its own with its feeds`
`21:16.26`	`kergoth`	`should do a sharp compat feed`
`21:17.07`	`treke`	`source forge would love that`
`21:17.13`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`21:17.21`	`kergoth`	`yeah, we arent using enough gigage`
`21:17.22`	`treke`	`I'm really surprised they havent kicked us yet`
`21:17.23`	`rev\|lib`	`sf can eat it then`
`21:17.24`	`rev\|lib`	`tastie`
`21:17.26`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`21:17.30`	`absentia`	`ha`
`21:17.39`	`treke`	`we're using something like 16 times our quot`
`21:17.43`	`treke`	`quota`
`21:18.19`	`MG_Tak`	`kergoth: donno if you can answer this because if your nda, but should I save up for some new handheld device..? :)`
`21:18.33`	`treke`	`yes you should.`
`21:18.47`	`treke`	`a c760`
`21:19.01`	`MG_Tak`	`a new handheld device from Ti.`
`21:19.21`	`kergoth`	`kergoth@sc8-pr-shell1:/home/groups/o/op/openzaurus$ du -sh 2>/dev/null`
`21:19.21`	`kergoth`	`2.0G .`
`21:19.21`	`Reddog`	`mmm.. just got home from revolutions`
`21:19.22`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`21:19.31`	`treke`	`kergoth: just keeps getting bigger`
`21:19.38`	`absentia`	`oooh! first channel surviver!`
`21:20.02`	`MG_Tak`	`not sure why`
`21:20.20`	`absentia`	`can't yo get it off kazaa now ?`
`21:20.24`	`MG_Tak`	`Coworker said "Hey you coming tomorrow night?" I just said "okay" without thinking.`
`21:23.37`	`Reddog`	`new movies on a small screen are no good`
`21:23.45`	`rev\|lib`	`heh`
`21:23.46`	`rev\|lib`	`nope`
`21:23.48`	`absentia`	`small screen?`
`21:24.04`	`absentia`	`people round here have 60+ inch screens, they take home theatre seriously.`
`21:24.27`	`Reddog`	`60+ inch aint big enough`
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`21:24.41`	`rev\|lib`	`btu then again`
`21:24.46`	`rev\|lib`	`if it costs $10 to see it in a theatre`
`21:24.51`	`rev\|lib`	`why not just make one up at home?`
`21:24.54`	`Reddog`	`cost me $5`
`21:25.38`	`rev\|lib`	`Reddog: i'm talking about absentia`
`21:25.38`	`Reddog`	`ah`
`21:25.39`	`absentia`	`guy got an "exit" sign... red velvet drapes....`
`21:25.39`	`absentia`	`popcorn machine.`
`21:25.39`	`absentia`	`movie posters.`
`21:25.39`	`rev\|lib`	`haha`
`21:25.39`	`rev\|lib`	`wow`
`21:25.39`	`Reddog`	`hmm`
`21:25.39`	`absentia`	`thick "walk way" ropes`
`21:25.39`	`rev\|lib`	`what a NERD!`
`21:25.39`	`rev\|lib`	`hehe`
`21:25.39`	`rev\|lib`	`man`
`21:25.46`	`rev\|lib`	`my uncle has a screen that drops down from the cieling`
`21:25.48`	`rev\|lib`	`and i thought that was cool`
`21:25.51`	`rev\|lib`	`guess i was wrong`
`21:26.14`	`absentia`	`ya, that's what this guy has....`
`21:26.21`	`absentia`	`most are remote controlled, etc.`
`21:26.28`	`rev\|lib`	`yeah`
`21:26.29`	`absentia`	`me, I just don't enjoy tv/movies that much.`
`21:26.34`	`rev\|lib`	`mmhmm`
`21:26.37`	`rev\|lib`	`if i had an assload of money`
`21:26.38`	`rev\|lib`	`i'd have it`
`21:26.42`	`rev\|lib`	`but otherwise, no`
`21:26.44`	`kergoth`	`i'm a music guy, i need a killer audio system`
`21:26.50`	`rev\|lib`	`my SO and i both love movies, not TV`
`21:26.51`	`kergoth`	`ribbon speakers or something`
`21:28.03`	`absentia`	`I've lost most of my mp3s....`
`21:28.08`	`absentia`	`but I do prefer music`
`21:28.39`	`rev\|lib`	`haha`
`21:28.40`	`rev\|lib`	`SUCKER`
`21:28.45`	`Reddog`	`run it in wine :P`
`21:29.00`	`MG_Tak`	`Too bad I don't have windows.`
`21:29.16`	`Reddog`	`why do you need windows?`
`21:29.31`	`MG_Tak`	`doesn't wine need some windows partitions to run?`
`21:29.35`	`Reddog`	`no`
`21:29.35`	`MG_Tak`	`and some windows programs?`
`21:29.40`	`Reddog`	`that's vmware`
`21:29.45`	`MG_Tak`	`ah`
`21:29.55`	`Reddog`	`i have wine installed, as well as vmware`
`21:30.05`	`rev\|lib`	`wine used to do that thuogh`
`21:30.12`	`rev\|lib`	`used to require a windows installation`
`21:30.17`	`rev\|lib`	`for certain DLLs`
`21:30.21`	`rev\|lib`	`that hadn't been reimplemented`
`21:30.30`	`MG_Tak`	`Reddog: not sure how you'd install iTunes through wine though`
`21:30.31`	`Reddog`	`well.. yeah.. sometimes`
`21:30.40`	`Reddog`	`but most of the dll's you can find online`
`21:30.41`	`rev\|lib`	`maybe by having itunes installed already`
`21:30.43`	`rev\|lib`	`on a real PC`
`21:30.45`	`rev\|lib`	`and then copying it`
`21:31.05`	`Reddog`	`is there a trial version floating around by any chance?`
`21:31.27`	`rev\|lib`	`trial of what?`
`21:31.34`	`rev\|lib`	`itunes is free`
`21:31.42`	`Reddog`	`oh.. is it?`
`21:31.46`	`Reddog`	`i don't follow itunes`
`21:31.47`	`rev\|lib`	`of course it is`
`21:32.14`	`Reddog`	`itunes.com?`
`21:32.30`	`rev\|lib`	`http://apple.com/itunes/`
`21:32.42`	`rev\|lib`	`though itunes.com works too`
`21:33.45`	`Reddog`	`heh, kk`
`21:34.34`	`rev\|lib`	`anyone know of any good for-sale boards for zauruses?`
`21:34.51`	`MG_Tak`	`for-sale boards?`
`21:35.03`	`MEME\|work`	`MG_Tak, i have win2k licenses i've never user`
`21:35.04`	`Reddog`	`ebay :P`
`21:35.07`	`rev\|lib`	`a board being something like a forum; a place where one can post things.`
`21:35.08`	`MEME\|work`	`un stuck stickers`
`21:35.16`	`MEME\|work`	`never been used`
`21:35.20`	`rev\|lib`	`for-sale being ... well, a place that one could post an advert to sell their zaurus`
`21:35.23`	`rev\|lib`	`or buy a zaurus`
`21:35.30`	`MG_Tak`	`oh`
`21:36.03`	`Reddog`	`19.2 mb.. sheesh`
`21:36.13`	`absentia`	`?`
`21:37.20`	`Reddog`	`for itunes`
`21:37.58`	`absentia`	`heheh`
`21:38.00`	`MG_Tak`	`MEME\|work: care to sell one? :)`
`21:40.09`	`MEME\|work`	`how much you want it for?`
`21:40.21`	`MG_Tak`	`how much you selling it for?`
`21:40.40`	`MEME\|work`	`hmm $25`
`21:40.45`	`MEME\|work`	`enough for a case of beer :D`
`21:40.51`	`MG_Tak`	`ew :)`
`21:41.02`	`MG_Tak`	`you have the certificate that goes with it? :)`
`21:41.13`	`MEME\|work`	`it is the certificate`
`21:41.18`	`MEME\|work`	`oem sticker`
`21:41.30`	`MEME\|work`	`was $90`
`21:41.42`	`MG_Tak`	`wouldn't happen to have a CD to go with it...? :)`
`21:42.01`	`MEME\|work`	`no, no CD, but i could make one`
`21:42.05`	`MEME\|work`	`:o`
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`21:46.21`	`gerrynjr`	`rev\|lib> what are you looking to sell?`
`21:46.46`	`rev\|lib`	`a friend with a c760 was talking about selling his c760`
`21:46.49`	`rev\|lib`	`and i wanted to sell my kb`
`21:46.56`	`rev\|lib`	`just wondering`
`22:15.38`	`*** join/#zaurus poo (~langfors@shields.experience.com)`
`22:17.36`	`*** join/#zaurus poo (~langfors@shields.experience.com)`
`22:22.41`	`gerrynjr`	`allo poo`
`22:35.42`	`treke\|laptop`	`howdy ho`
`22:35.48`	`rev\|lib`	`rather`
`22:35.49`	`rev\|lib`	`howdy, ho`
`22:36.10`	`W8TVI`	`hey gerrynjr`
`22:42.40`	`mr_hankey`	`hmm`
`22:43.07`	`rev\|lib`	`heh`
`22:43.12`	`rev\|lib`	`just doesn't feel right i bet`
`22:51.57`	`poo`	`yeah its tough walking in mr. hankey`
`22:52.03`	`poo`	`'s shoes`
`22:52.08`	`rev\|lib`	`heh`
`22:52.21`	`poo`	`:)`
`23:00.27`	`Reddog-[Away]`	`hrm.. itunes is almost finished downloading :P`
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`23:24.02`	`W8TVI`	`gerrynjr, get a ibm mircodrive and plug it in :P`
`23:24.13`	`gerrynjr`	`W8TVI> nah,.`
`23:24.16`	`gerrynjr`	`I want to use my laptop battery`
`23:24.23`	`gerrynjr`	`er.. harddrivew`
`23:24.55`	`gerrynjr`	`W8TVI> TOMORROW!!!!`
`23:24.59`	`W8TVI`	`yep`
`23:26.13`	`Luke-Jr`	`W8TVI: won't that drain batteries?`
`23:27.30`	`Luke-Jr`	`who don't they make the entire bottom cover a battery? =p`
`23:27.32`	`Luke-Jr`	`why*`
`23:29.04`	`Disconnect`	`Luke-Jr: cuz custom batteries are -expensive-. I suspect the Z batteries are mostly off-the-shelf. (but yah, a great addon for the c7x0 would be a back cover like the current 'large' one but stuffed with batteries..)`
`23:30.46`	`Luke-Jr`	`... where can you get those off the shelf??`
`23:31.06`	`treke\|laptop`	`Luke-Jr: from a battery supplier?`
`23:31.22`	`Luke-Jr`	`like who?`
`23:31.25`	`Luke-Jr`	`I've never seen those`
`23:31.34`	`treke\|laptop`	`Luke-Jr: whoever makes them`
`23:31.56`	`Luke-Jr`	`sigh`
`23:32.12`	`Disconnect`	`Luke-Jr: likely its a semi-standard 'shell' with custom printing and standard packs inside.`
`23:32.32`	`Luke-Jr`	`o`
`23:32.49`	`raduga`	`luke:jr Bob's Boffo Battery Bungalow`
`23:32.57`	`raduga`	`they make pretty much everything`
`23:33.21`	`Luke-Jr`	`u serious?`
`23:33.30`	`raduga`	`(including the super-long-life batteries they put in kittens to make them hyper all the time)`
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`23:39.17`	`Disconnect`	`drewp: one of those car adapters things?`
`23:39.26`	`drewp`	`yeah- i'll try it in the real car later today`
`23:39.57`	`drewp`	`i hope to build a nice case that holds the z, with its wifi card sticking out the top, and the fm xmitter box`
`23:40.32`	`drewp`	`can someone give me the cmdline to set QWS=Transform:270:0 or whatever it is to display on the local qt?`
`23:41.20`	`drewp`	`oh, QWS_DISPLAY=Transformed:Rot270:0`
`23:46.59`	`absentia`	`re`
`23:57.46`	`absentia`	`I'm getting, on average`
`23:57.54`	`absentia`	`2 to 3 pages loaded between each crash of opera`
`23:58.28`	`W8TVI`	`opera 6 crashes on me some times...`
`23:58.36`	`W8TVI`	`but its mostly very stable`
`23:58.42`	`absentia`	`ya, this is 6.x`
`23:58.51`	`W8TVI`	`on my zaurus`
`23:58.53`	`W8TVI`	`:)`
`23:59.07`	`W8TVI`	`if your using it on a linux box, try opera 7`

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