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| 00:09.26 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek[away> pingo? |
| 00:10.02 | Disconnect | --- [offroadgeek[away] idle 47:52:33, signon: Sat Nov 1 15:10:10 .. I don't think he's around ;) |
| 00:10.24 | gerrynjr | Disconnect> just checking :-D |
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| 01:45.14 | absentia3 | grr |
| 01:45.22 | absentia3 | looks like my hosted siteis offline . |
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| 02:09.03 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek[away> ping? |
| 02:10.31 | W8TVI | gerrynjr: he hasn't sent them yet |
| 02:10.59 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> no shippage? |
| 02:11.32 | W8TVI | nop;e |
| 02:11.43 | W8TVI | not as of this morning |
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| 02:16.28 | rev | yo yo |
| 02:16.36 | treke|laptop | yo |
| 02:17.08 | gerrynjr | yo yo yo homies wussup? |
| 02:17.19 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> that means I prob won't have it by friday... |
| 02:17.35 | W8TVI | I guess... |
| 02:17.51 | rev | my sig3 showed up today |
| 02:18.28 | treke|laptop | traitor |
| 02:18.44 | gerrynjr | rev> bastard! |
| 02:18.58 | rev | hah |
| 02:19.12 | rev | my loyalty is to usefulness |
| 02:19.15 | rev | and a good platform for squeak |
| 02:19.15 | rev | although |
| 02:19.25 | rev | i did have a linux pda way before most of you chumps did |
| 02:19.37 | rev | before qt/embedded was borne |
| 02:19.41 | rev | and the zaurus linux line existed |
| 02:19.45 | gerrynjr | rev> the agenda? |
| 02:19.50 | rev | nope, before that even |
| 02:19.57 | gerrynjr | rev> wtf? |
| 02:20.03 | rev | the vtech helio |
| 02:20.08 | gerrynjr | lmao.. |
| 02:20.10 | rev | didn't run linux out of the box, from the store |
| 02:20.10 | gerrynjr | I have one of em |
| 02:20.20 | gerrynjr | could never get linux running on it |
| 02:20.29 | rev | huh? it was easy- flash the image and turn it on |
| 02:20.39 | rev | but the first commercial pda that was capable of running a "real" liunux kernel |
| 02:20.45 | rev | the TRGpro doesn't count, it only ran uclinux |
| 02:20.59 | gerrynjr | rev> I can't seem to find the image for pocketlinux |
| 02:21.02 | gerrynjr | the company went under |
| 02:21.17 | rev | pocketlinux sucks, not worth using |
| 02:21.19 | rev | never was worth using |
| 02:21.43 | rev | i used to use a squeak-based version that was derived from the vhl-tools work |
| 02:21.51 | rev | although, pocketlinux was derived from the vhltools work too |
| 02:22.01 | gerrynjr | so... |
| 02:22.08 | gerrynjr | what kind of enviroment can be had then |
| 02:22.10 | gerrynjr | ? |
| 02:22.23 | rev | picolinux.sf.net is neat too- runs PicoGUI |
| 02:22.30 | rev | although that never was developed to trhe point it should have |
| 02:22.32 | gerrynjr | iamge for the helio? |
| 02:22.34 | rev | what kind of environment? squeak! |
| 02:22.39 | rev | yes, go look at that web site |
| 02:22.46 | rev | you flash the image and have a picogui-based PDA |
| 02:22.49 | rev | although it doesn't do much |
| 02:22.51 | rev | but it's fun to play with |
| 02:22.56 | treke|laptop | s/much/anything ? :p |
| 02:23.14 | rev | well |
| 02:23.16 | rev | it does something |
| 02:23.21 | rev | at leaset with picoLinux |
| 02:23.23 | rev | i mean |
| 02:23.26 | rev | you can play blackbox |
| 02:23.29 | rev | ! |
| 02:23.40 | treke|laptop | pico gui... this is the gui that doesnt even have a text edit control |
| 02:23.42 | gerrynjr | hmm, but no )real_ apps? |
| 02:23.45 | rev | there is another game on there, a terminal, on-screen kb, some demo apps for picogui |
| 02:23.51 | rev | pgui has a text edit control |
| 02:23.57 | rev | at least within the last year |
| 02:24.01 | rev | i know i've used one |
| 02:24.06 | treke|laptop | ah, it finally got one? |
| 02:24.07 | rev | gerrynjr: well, blackout is a "real" app |
| 02:24.14 | rev | treke|laptop: must've, not sure when |
| 02:24.16 | rev | :) |
| 02:24.25 | rev | it's very fast on the 75 MHz MIPS CPU in the helio |
| 02:24.38 | rev | the W window system comes with the distro at vhltools.sf.net |
| 02:24.41 | treke|laptop | there used to be this great faq entry about why there was no text edit control |
| 02:24.42 | rev | but who needs that |
| 02:24.45 | rev | ah |
| 02:24.45 | rev | heh |
| 02:24.47 | rev | that's whack |
| 02:24.54 | gerrynjr | rev> can I compile console apps for it? |
| 02:25.04 | rev | gerrynjr: sure, if you set up the toolchain |
| 02:25.09 | treke|laptop | and it basically boiled down to "I havent gotten around to writing one" |
| 02:25.11 | rev | there are rpms and tgz for it IIRC |
| 02:25.16 | rev | treke|laptop: wow |
| 02:25.22 | rev | it's a shame pgui looks to be dying |
| 02:25.35 | treke|laptop | rev: the website is down |
| 02:25.42 | rev | which one? |
| 02:25.49 | treke|laptop | picogui.org |
| 02:25.55 | rev | ah |
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| 02:25.59 | rev | er |
| 02:26.00 | rev | it works fine for me |
| 02:26.06 | rev | although the last screenshot is from may 29th |
| 02:26.17 | gerrynjr | works here |
| 02:26.17 | rev | and frmo what i've heard, scanline isn't doing much these days |
| 02:26.23 | rev | i've popped into #picogui from time to time |
| 02:26.28 | treke|laptop | ok. www.picogui.org is down :p |
| 02:26.32 | rev | heh |
| 02:26.32 | treke|laptop | picogui.org works |
| 02:28.14 | rev | yar |
| 02:28.24 | treke|laptop | yeah, but micah basically said he gave up on it |
| 02:28.31 | rev | that sucks ass |
| 02:28.41 | treke|laptop | http://picogui.org/News/News_Item.2003-10-27.3853 |
| 02:28.46 | rev | it was a good system with a lot of promise- and not just unfulfilled promise |
| 02:29.08 | rev | fast, and well thought out |
| 02:29.12 | rev | at least from the point of an enduser |
| 02:29.15 | rev | not sure how the code looked |
| 02:29.22 | treke|laptop | a good proof of concept |
| 02:29.31 | treke|laptop | even if not useful |
| 02:30.01 | rev | well, it could be useful, it just never got used |
| 02:30.12 | rev | but he made a lot more progress than fresco and other projects |
| 02:30.23 | rev | i was just watiting for a port of moz or some browser to switch to it, heh |
| 02:30.29 | rev | it supported SDL and therefore squeak |
| 02:30.37 | rev | so 50% of the eq was bal;anced |
| 02:30.45 | treke|laptop | iirc, it was used a fair bit for games |
| 02:30.56 | rev | well, i don't know about a "fair bit" |
| 02:31.01 | rev | but there were a couple games that used it yeah |
| 02:31.13 | rev | SDL plus widgets = someone's gotta use it |
| 02:31.13 | treke|laptop | fresco has been a horrible failure |
| 02:31.16 | rev | yeah |
| 02:31.19 | rev | nothing but a failure |
| 02:32.38 | treke|laptop | the've been working on it forever, and its still not far beyond little demo apps |
| 02:33.32 | treke|laptop | it seemed like a dead project when I started using linux :p |
| 02:33.52 | rev | yup |
| 02:33.53 | rev | pretty much |
| 02:34.04 | rev | it's not advanced much since i started using linux |
| 02:34.04 | rev | although |
| 02:34.04 | treke|laptop | which was back around redhat 4.2 |
| 02:34.17 | rev | yeah, i started using at RH 3.0.3 or earlier |
| 02:34.29 | rev | that was the first non-slackware release i used |
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| 02:38.40 | rev | man |
| 02:38.48 | rev | it sure is nice to have a real keyboard again :D |
| 02:38.53 | _Fantome | Heď !!! |
| 02:39.31 | _Fantome | PHI :the gold number!! |
| 02:39.44 | rev | ? |
| 02:40.24 | _Fantome | PHI = 1.618 |
| 02:40.38 | _Fantome | PHI ˛ = PHI + 1 |
| 02:40.51 | _Fantome | et PHI = 1+ 1 / PHI |
| 02:41.26 | _Fantome | PHI = (SQR(5)+1)/2 |
| 02:43.50 | Pendalar | girls == evil |
| 02:44.24 | rev | my rear end = rad |
| 02:44.43 | rev | rN(1 - N^3 / K^2) |
| 02:44.48 | Pendalar | glad you enjoy yourself like that |
| 02:44.54 | Pendalar | please no more sharing of info |
| 02:44.56 | rev | logistic equation rederived assuming pairwise birth/death interactions |
| 02:44.56 | Pendalar | =-e |
| 02:51.13 | _Fantome | Hello Pendalar !!! |
| 02:51.29 | _Fantome | PHI was in the pentagrams !!!! |
| 02:51.34 | _Fantome | ? Sorry! |
| 02:51.46 | _Fantome | SQR(2) was in the penta! |
| 02:52.21 | Pendalar | I'll take your word for it |
| 02:53.57 | rev | hrmm |
| 02:54.02 | rev | is _Fantome on crack? |
| 02:54.10 | rev | or worse, missed his dose for the day and going through wds? |
| 02:54.49 | _Fantome | Sorry! |
| 02:55.25 | rev | ? |
| 02:55.52 | _Fantome | %c2 |
| 02:56.05 | treke|laptop | _Fantome: put the pipe down. |
| 02:56.06 | rev | man, this picsel browser app is whacky |
| 02:56.16 | treke|laptop | rev: you mean links? |
| 02:56.17 | rev | you can go to a website- say slashdot, and zoom in and out using funky mouse gestures |
| 02:56.27 | rev | not links, alas |
| 02:56.32 | rev | i wonder if there's a links port ro ce |
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| 03:19.37 | absentia3 | w8: congrats |
| 03:21.17 | treke|laptop | hmmm. maybe I should try pixel |
| 03:21.37 | kergoth | you mean pixil? |
| 03:21.48 | treke|laptop | yeah |
| 03:22.15 | treke|laptop | damn. website is down |
| 03:22.30 | kergoth | what site? |
| 03:22.36 | kergoth | pixdev.sf.net iirc |
| 03:22.51 | rev | i wonder if pixil will ever notsuck |
| 03:23.07 | treke|laptop | pixil.org |
| 03:23.16 | treke|laptop | rev: I'm trying to find anything that doesnt |
| 03:23.19 | kergoth | treke|laptop: um, the app that needs pkgconfig is the app that _uses_ it.. that is, the app that depends on something that installed a .pc |
| 03:23.29 | kergoth | treke|laptop: not the app that provided it, necessarily |
| 03:23.45 | kergoth | so your pkgconfig.oeclass needs work. its ambiguous. is it for those that provide it or those that use it? |
| 03:23.48 | kergoth | or both? |
| 03:24.08 | darmou | Has anyone tried the new theKompany rom? |
| 03:24.21 | MG_Tak | hey kergoth.. why're you the one moving packages over? |
| 03:24.24 | kergoth | its just sharp with modifications. nothing to get all hot n bothered over |
| 03:24.27 | W8TVI | "new"? |
| 03:24.40 | W8TVI | it sucks almost as much as the sharp rom |
| 03:24.41 | darmou | There is version two out now |
| 03:24.42 | treke|laptop | ah, it's for those that provide it. |
| 03:24.48 | W8TVI | ah |
| 03:25.01 | W8TVI | they all suck right now |
| 03:25.03 | kergoth | treke|laptop: then they dont necessarily depend on it, unless they also _call_ pkg-config because they depend on someone who provides a .pc |
| 03:25.05 | W8TVI | all the roms that is |
| 03:25.07 | treke|laptop | kergoth: Recomendations for improvements are welcome |
| 03:25.08 | kergoth | treke|laptop: so you can probably kill that DEPENDS |
| 03:25.39 | treke|laptop | ok. |
| 03:25.56 | kergoth | and might want to add comments just when you inherit the class |
| 03:26.03 | kergoth | so we dont find people inheriting it in apps that call pkg-config |
| 03:26.12 | kergoth | we really need some rudamentary comments in every class |
| 03:26.42 | treke|laptop | it should probably make sure ${STAGING_DIR}/share/pkgconfig exists |
| 03:26.44 | kergoth | some sort of doxygen type thing almost, but for OE metadata |
| 03:27.03 | kergoth | or just mkdir -p, dunno how much an extra call to mkdir when it does nothing costs |
| 03:27.08 | Pendalar | ayone having problems with connecting to msn via gaim tonight? |
| 03:27.11 | Pendalar | anyone rather |
| 03:28.53 | ljp | gaim doesn;t work on msn anymore for me, so I switched to kopete |
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| 03:29.25 | Pendalar | you need to update gaim version.. |
| 03:30.11 | treke|laptop | hmm. pixil looks useless |
| 03:30.50 | kergoth | heh, its mostly pim stuff |
| 03:31.01 | gerrynjr | wtf is pixel? |
| 03:31.02 | ChipX86 | ljp: gaim has worked with the new protocol for a couple versions now |
| 03:31.12 | ChipX86 | ljp: make sure you have a recent version and a supported SSL library |
| 03:31.28 | ChipX86 | that goes to Pendalar too |
| 03:32.16 | Pendalar | I have the most recent version |
| 03:32.22 | Pendalar | and it worked yesterday =-p |
| 03:32.32 | ChipX86 | MSN is also having some server issues today |
| 03:32.36 | Pendalar | I think it could be my DNS servers, was asking if anyone was having issues |
| 03:32.38 | ChipX86 | it's affecting some users, but not all |
| 03:32.41 | Pendalar | ah |
| 03:32.46 | Pendalar | guess I'm "lucky" then |
| 03:33.03 | Pendalar | why do I always win the sucky prizes |
| 03:33.26 | kergoth | lets kick murphy's ass |
| 03:33.33 | Pendalar | yeah, he's not nice |
| 03:33.38 | treke|laptop | kergoth: I'm torn, opie seriously annoys me at times, gpe is missing apps i need, agenda apps just suck, pixil looks like a combo of gpe and agenda :) |
| 03:33.52 | kergoth | treke|laptop: heheh, yeah, pixil's appearance doesnt appeal to me |
| 03:34.10 | treke|laptop | wonder if there is anything else out there to try |
| 03:34.50 | kergoth | beyond that, not afaik |
| 03:34.58 | absentia3 | url for pixil ? |
| 03:35.05 | treke|laptop | wonder if the yopy stuff is available |
| 03:35.33 | Pendalar | picogui? ;-) |
| 03:35.36 | kergoth | absentia3: pixdev.sf.net iirc is the new open project for it. the other one is managed by century, which is run by an idiot |
| 03:35.45 | kergoth | picogui isnt going anywhere, micah stopped developing it |
| 03:36.03 | treke|laptop | century is run by an idiot? |
| 03:36.04 | ChipX86 | unfortunate :/ |
| 03:36.14 | absentia3 | heheh |
| 03:36.19 | treke|laptop | I thought they were both run by the same people |
| 03:36.20 | absentia3 | where is the opensource graveyard? |
| 03:36.34 | kergoth | treke|laptop: cosmicpenguin aka jordan worked closely with greg, the century guy |
| 03:36.37 | kergoth | treke|laptop: ask hima bout it sometime |
| 03:36.51 | ChipX86 | pixil reminds me of deskmate |
| 03:37.16 | kergoth | i'm not a fan of pixil personally, but i like seeing new options, so i support the work there |
| 03:37.47 | absentia3 | qt ? |
| 03:38.03 | kergoth | pixil uses microwindows |
| 03:38.06 | treke|laptop | absentia3: microwindows |
| 03:38.31 | absentia3 | ah |
| 03:38.35 | absentia3 | is that also on sf? |
| 03:39.19 | absentia3 | anyone watching the geeks vs miss america contestant on nbc? |
| 03:39.20 | absentia3 | too funny. |
| 03:39.35 | absentia3 | but not as funny as the the next joe milionaire with all the eurosluts |
| 03:45.41 | absentia3 | hahahah |
| 03:45.49 | absentia3 | did the guy really ask'r if she liked broccoli? |
| 03:46.26 | ljp | treke: why not fix the things in opie that annoy you? |
| 03:46.35 | kergoth | ljp: thats way too much work |
| 03:46.35 | absentia3 | what annoys you in opie ? |
| 03:46.36 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:47.04 | ljp | that reminds me, I have a commit comming for the networksetting app |
| 03:47.23 | ljp | need to test it forst |
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| 03:48.32 | absentia3 | are there any really.. truly... interesting... amazing... opensource projects out there? |
| 03:48.42 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:48.46 | kergoth | i doubt it |
| 03:48.51 | absentia3 | ya, kde/gnome qualifies, but any *single* app? |
| 03:49.14 | treke|laptop | define truly amazing |
| 03:49.33 | absentia3 | according to your standards, and I'll judge your standards accordingly. |
| 03:49.44 | vvff | gnupg is cool. |
| 03:50.17 | treke|laptop | ljp: I'm working on some things that annoy me, but part of it is just the general design. |
| 03:50.23 | absentia3 | isn't that at least 3 years old? |
| 03:50.31 | vvff | But not truly amazing. Especially seeing it is just a reimplementation of pgp. |
| 03:50.56 | kergoth | vim rocks, but isnt amazing |
| 03:51.02 | treke|laptop | absentia3: dashbord is still pretty beta but it seems like a really interesting project |
| 03:51.05 | absentia3 | treke: in pascal, if I have a function/subroutine "x" and one "y" .. and x needs to call y, and y needs to call x ... how can I do that ? |
| 03:51.12 | treke|laptop | absentia3: beats me |
| 03:51.12 | kergoth | evas is cool and has a great deal of potential, but can a canvasing library be considered amazing? |
| 03:51.20 | kergoth | dashboard does look pretty badass |
| 03:51.27 | absentia3 | kergoth: hell ya! |
| 03:51.31 | treke|laptop | ion is as amazing as a window manager can be in my book |
| 03:51.32 | absentia3 | url for dashboard? |
| 03:51.41 | absentia3 | I Think I hit a url for it like my second day here... from kergoth. |
| 03:51.48 | kergoth | one of these months i'll actually get off my ass and try ion |
| 03:51.49 | treke|laptop | http://www.nat.org/dashboard/ |
| 03:51.59 | absentia3 | I wonder if e will pick up if they ever make another release. |
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| 03:52.46 | absentia3 | ah |
| 03:52.47 | kergoth | treke|laptop: whats that one imlib2 image viewer called again |
| 03:52.49 | kergoth | treke|laptop: ? |
| 03:52.51 | absentia3 | I wanted to do a project like that a while back |
| 03:53.00 | absentia3 | called IntellAgent ... |
| 03:54.31 | absentia3 | hahahah |
| 03:54.35 | absentia3 | that guy was happy to leave |
| 03:54.38 | absentia3 | these shows are so sick, |
| 03:54.49 | kergoth | s/these shows are/tv is/ |
| 03:54.50 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:54.55 | absentia3 | yup |
| 03:55.01 | absentia3 | I didn't watch tv for almost 4 years. |
| 03:55.04 | absentia3 | but then I got married. |
| 03:55.08 | kergoth | ahh |
| 03:55.19 | kergoth | i went a year or two without as well |
| 03:55.20 | kergoth | didnt miss it |
| 03:55.24 | kergoth | just listen to tunes all the time |
| 03:55.46 | absentia3 | when I had only direct tv |
| 03:55.48 | absentia3 | I didn't have networks |
| 03:55.56 | absentia3 | ya, I had 30 movie channels, but I didn't know *any* network shows |
| 03:55.57 | absentia3 | heheh |
| 03:56.04 | absentia3 | from likee 96 to 2000 ... didn't watch any network. |
| 03:56.25 | treke|laptop | absentia3: the problem is, most software isnt amazing, it's just there because the author needs something like that for day to day work |
| 03:56.53 | absentia3 | I know. |
| 03:57.29 | vvff | offroadgeek[pc]: Hey. When's the next sf lug meeting? |
| 03:57.31 | absentia3 | at work, I code to do what my boss wants (that day) from me... so I can do the things I want... for me. |
| 03:59.12 | offroadgeek[pc] | vvff: not sure... I posted a note asking if/when people want to meet... are you waiting for the drawign |
| 03:59.33 | vvff | offroadgeek[pc]: Yup. ;-) |
| 03:59.59 | W8TVI | our lug meets the first tuesday of the month |
| 04:00.55 | offroadgeek[pc] | I would like to meet regularly... not enough people want to though... |
| 04:01.18 | offroadgeek[pc] | vvff: if I don't see any posts by the end of the week... I think I'll just pull the names out of the hat myself... |
| 04:01.25 | W8TVI | we hgave about 5 people that are always there |
| 04:02.24 | offroadgeek[pc] | our SF lug (balug) meets monthly... usually has a good turnout ~ 15 |
| 04:02.24 | W8TVI | and we meet every 15th of the month for a social "meeting" |
| 04:02.31 | absentia3 | nice |
| 04:03.05 | W8TVI | absentia3: check out the lug homepage |
| 04:03.07 | vvff | absentia3: Theres sure to be a couple. |
| 04:03.10 | offroadgeek[pc] | i think the NY zug is trying to get another meeting going... |
| 04:03.42 | _Fantome | Vais économiser pour en acheter 1! |
| 04:03.50 | _Fantome | ou bien u Yopy! |
| 04:03.53 | absentia3 | ya, I posted there a while ago. one person followed up saying he was intersted |
| 04:03.55 | absentia3 | and it's been dead since |
| 04:04.04 | absentia3 | where are all the zaurus users? :-< |
| 04:04.24 | treke|laptop | lugs scare me |
| 04:04.25 | offroadgeek[pc] | bummer... it's a good group... I was at the first ny zug meetup in July... |
| 04:04.33 | treke|laptop | the people there make me seem normal |
| 04:04.48 | offroadgeek[pc] | treke: I know exactly what you mean.... |
| 04:05.08 | absentia3 | treke: amen |
| 04:05.15 | offroadgeek[pc] | I don't feel like such a "geek" when I attend balug meetings |
| 04:05.20 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 04:05.21 | absentia3 | that's why I've avoided them like the plague |
| 04:05.28 | absentia3 | same with the scene, cons, etc. |
| 04:05.46 | treke|laptop | I've been to a couple, one of them actually had people I'd consider normal at |
| 04:05.49 | absentia3 | hell, I even dodge lisa |
| 04:05.55 | treke|laptop | but It was too long of a drive |
| 04:05.56 | offroadgeek[pc] | the balug meets at a chinese restaurant... so at least there's good food |
| 04:06.01 | absentia3 | ya |
| 04:06.32 | offroadgeek[pc] | I went to the picnix this year near SF... I was there for about 15 minutes |
| 04:06.34 | Pendalar | too geek for lug or not geek enough? |
| 04:06.36 | kergoth | i fuck with enough linux, i dont need to let it leak into my social life too |
| 04:06.39 | kergoth | fuck that shit |
| 04:06.49 | absentia3 | I went to a meeting of a sun user's group at univ of md after the unix worm... met .. what's his name... chris torek? ... we all then went to mongolian bbq.. back in '88 that was cool... I guess. |
| 04:06.51 | W8TVI | I dont get enough linux... |
| 04:07.04 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:07.07 | absentia3 | heheh |
| 04:07.18 | W8TVI | kergoth: no kidding? |
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| 04:07.21 | offroadgeek[pc] | fucking babies! |
| 04:07.28 | andy_ | WTF? |
| 04:07.29 | rev | WOOO |
| 04:07.32 | absentia3 | off: yup |
| 04:07.44 | offroadgeek[pc] | damn... I feel old now... I just turned 30 |
| 04:07.50 | Pendalar | kergoth: I pictured you much older than I |
| 04:07.51 | treke|laptop | offroadgeek[pc]: old bastard |
| 04:07.53 | absentia3 | my bday was... last wed |
| 04:07.54 | absentia3 | :-> |
| 04:07.56 | andy_ | Damn, I feel old. I just turned 18. |
| 04:08.08 | MG_Tak | christ |
| 04:08.17 | offroadgeek[pc] | absentia: cool.. .another scorpio... mine was on the 27th |
| 04:08.47 | kergoth | Pendalar: i get that fairly often |
| 04:08.54 | Pendalar | =-) |
| 04:09.04 | W8TVI | kergoth: DOB? |
| 04:09.07 | absentia3 | I was carded until I was about 28 or so. |
| 04:09.07 | treke|laptop | where was that picture of kergoth with the gay haircut |
| 04:09.15 | Pendalar | probably your 'fuck this shit' attitude heh |
| 04:09.33 | W8TVI | cool |
| 04:09.38 | W8TVI | rev: you? |
| 04:09.53 | Pendalar | A/S/L! |
| 04:09.57 | Pendalar | er.. *cough* sorry |
| 04:10.06 | treke|laptop | bah, geocities took them down |
| 04:10.07 | W8TVI | Pendalar: no, just a dob check :P |
| 04:10.08 | kergoth | treke|laptop: heh! i should upload a more recent picture |
| 04:10.26 | andy_ | Do you guys know if there is anywhere I could find an extra battery for my Zaurus? |
| 04:10.32 | kergoth | andy_: zaurus.com? |
| 04:10.36 | absentia3 | pendalar: http://bse.die.ms/lamertime.txt |
| 04:10.52 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 04:10.54 | MG_Tak | night all |
| 04:10.55 | absentia3 | andy: conics. |
| 04:10.56 | absentia3 | nice |
| 04:10.57 | Pendalar | I have to mess with you guys |
| 04:10.57 | absentia3 | night |
| 04:11.29 | offroadgeek[pc] | night mg |
| 04:11.42 | W8TVI | night MG_Tak |
| 04:11.53 | absentia3 | peace [107]> Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 04:11.53 | absentia3 | [1] Exit 139 opera |
| 04:11.53 | absentia3 | peace [107]> opera & |
| 04:11.53 | absentia3 | [3] 1336 |
| 04:11.53 | absentia3 | peace [108]> Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 04:11.54 | absentia3 | [3] Exit 139 opera |
| 04:11.56 | absentia3 | peace [108]> opera & |
| 04:11.58 | absentia3 | [3] 1454 |
| 04:12.00 | absentia3 | peace [109]> Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 04:12.02 | absentia3 | [3] Exit 139 opera |
| 04:12.04 | absentia3 | peace [109]> opera & |
| 04:12.06 | absentia3 | [3] 1807 |
| 04:12.15 | absentia3 | I had 130 core files in my ~ this morning from the redhat 9 screensaver[s] |
| 04:12.16 | vvff | absentia3: :-D |
| 04:12.22 | vvff | absentia3: Use links. |
| 04:12.34 | absentia3 | links > lynx ? |
| 04:12.42 | Pendalar | absentia3: I just run screensavers for backgrounds, that helps a little bit |
| 04:12.48 | vvff | absentia3: yah, except links is better than lynx. |
| 04:12.52 | W8TVI | links != lynx |
| 04:13.03 | absentia3 | vvff + w8.... notice the > |
| 04:13.16 | _Fantome | Every body'!! |
| 04:13.25 | absentia3 | > implies != and "greater" than... which might translate easily into "better than" |
| 04:13.43 | kergoth | absentia3: links has graphical mode. X, framebuffer, directfb, microwindows, whatever |
| 04:13.54 | kergoth | absentia3: no CSS support, but otherwise pretty nice. javascript, ssl |
| 04:13.55 | absentia3 | kerg: nice. |
| 04:14.33 | absentia3 | holy shit links is nice. |
| 04:15.08 | treke|laptop | too bad it doesnt support copy and paste |
| 04:15.10 | kergoth | has some annoyances, pasting doesnt work in either X or with gpm that i can find |
| 04:15.11 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:15.32 | vvff | Other than that, use Firebird. |
| 04:15.38 | treke|laptop | it basically uses whatever gui as a framebuffer |
| 04:15.56 | absentia3 | ya, I just ran it in tty mode |
| 04:15.59 | kergoth | yeah, exactly. i dont think its gui abstraction is really as widgets |
| 04:16.04 | kergoth | would be nice to fix it up |
| 04:16.32 | treke|laptop | all the gtk web browsers suck |
| 04:17.17 | Reddog-[Away] | hrm.. i need to find a serial mouse |
| 04:20.33 | Pendalar | kergoth is network'd swap worthwhile? |
| 04:20.56 | absentia3 | only if you have no local disk |
| 04:21.23 | kergoth | might be worth it if you *really* need the additional ram |
| 04:21.29 | kergoth | like if you want to run a bigass compile job on a zaurus |
| 04:21.31 | kergoth | or something |
| 04:21.33 | kergoth | otherwise no |
| 04:21.58 | kergoth | it would |
| 04:22.01 | Reddog-[Away] | but if that network'd swap is on a wifi card.. what happens when you leave the wifi zone? |
| 04:22.08 | andy_ | Can't I just live on my Zaurus? Is that a possibility in life? |
| 04:22.14 | kergoth | Reddog-[Away]: things arent happy with you |
| 04:22.37 | Reddog-[Away] | hehe, exactly |
| 04:26.59 | andy_ | I'm considering getting this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3056452708&category=15029) for my zaurus on those long trips. What do you guys think / what're your opinions? |
| 04:28.17 | CdtDelta | andy_: I have one, haven't had a lot of luck with it....but the seller did say he would exchange it |
| 04:28.38 | absentia3 | what do yo umean haven't had luck? |
| 04:28.48 | absentia3 | isn't there one from conics that has an L adapter... |
| 04:28.50 | absentia3 | I'd get that one.. |
| 04:28.56 | absentia3 | that staright plug will fray eventually |
| 04:28.58 | CdtDelta | I plug the thing it, and it doesn't really seem to do anything |
| 04:29.06 | CdtDelta | s/it/in |
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| 04:29.24 | rev | yo |
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| 04:29.47 | andy_ | CdtDelta, doesn't really do anything??? |
| 04:30.02 | absentia3 | in, out, repeat if necessary? |
| 04:30.21 | andy_ | Battery foreplay is the key. |
| 04:30.53 | CdtDelta | andy_: Well, supposedly it keeps the Z from dying, but when I plug mine in, the power light doesn't light up. Almost as though the Z doesn't see it |
| 04:31.08 | CdtDelta | But to be honest, I haven't tested it out that much |
| 04:31.27 | absentia3 | treke: why? |
| 04:31.32 | treke|laptop | absentia3: bored |
| 04:31.41 | treke|laptop | people say it's nifty |
| 04:31.50 | andy_ | It's nothing that exciting. |
| 04:31.53 | absentia3 | I looked at it under ... uh |
| 04:31.55 | treke|laptop | and my z is on the other side of the room |
| 04:31.59 | absentia3 | knoppix |
| 04:32.08 | absentia3 | www.xwinman.org |
| 04:32.15 | absentia3 | mine is too.... wifi is lovely. |
| 04:32.20 | treke|laptop | andy_: It already has being inspired by cde going against it :p |
| 04:32.45 | absentia3 | I wish kde would just stomp gnome and get it over withl. |
| 04:32.48 | W8TVI | its even nicer uding VNC when its in another room |
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| 04:33.12 | absentia3 | I want to set up my router so I can java browse into it |
| 04:33.16 | absentia3 | I wish it just used port 80, though. |
| 04:33.44 | treke|laptop | gtk and to a lesser extent gnome have licensing stacked in their favor |
| 04:34.06 | absentia3 | licensing ? |
| 04:34.12 | absentia3 | I don't mind gtk |
| 04:34.16 | absentia3 | it seems neat. |
| 04:34.17 | kergoth | gotta love lgpl |
| 04:34.29 | treke|laptop | absentia3: gtk is lgpl |
| 04:34.44 | absentia3 | ah |
| 04:35.05 | treke|laptop | absentia3: No need to purchase a license to write closed source software. Sun has on a couple occaisions pointed to that as being one of the main reasons for backing gnome ahead of kde |
| 04:35.38 | absentia3 | thank you. |
| 04:36.11 | absentia3 | but then, isn't kde superior? (in some/many ways?) so it's a damn catch 22 |
| 04:36.20 | treke|laptop | in linux land, I think being C++ based is also a bit of a black mark for kde |
| 04:36.28 | absentia3 | ah |
| 04:36.32 | absentia3 | what about qt? |
| 04:36.42 | absentia3 | seems so nice... impressive... etc. |
| 04:36.43 | treke|laptop | QT is a c++ library also |
| 04:36.50 | absentia3 | yup |
| 04:36.54 | kergoth | qt is undoubtedly a great toolkit |
| 04:37.01 | absentia3 | I refuseed to learn x11 |
| 04:37.03 | treke|laptop | yup. |
| 04:37.05 | absentia3 | but I'll learn qt |
| 04:37.20 | treke|laptop | Not many people ever learn straight xlib |
| 04:37.30 | absentia3 | hence, for 15 years I haven't programmed guis... although I have played with tk and java. |
| 04:37.30 | treke|laptop | not useful for much |
| 04:37.55 | absentia3 | in fact, I wrote my own AWT replacement for java, but I moved on from java a few yars back. |
| 04:38.11 | absentia3 | but I think I want to learn qt... just for python... and the z |
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| 04:42.30 | treke|laptop | good lord thats an ugly ass file manage |
| 04:42.41 | absentia3 | :-) |
| 04:43.51 | treke|laptop | http://ent.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/xfce.png |
| 04:46.00 | andy_ | Looks like RH!@ |
| 04:46.07 | treke|laptop | does it? |
| 04:47.58 | absentia3 | treke: download knoppix |
| 04:48.08 | treke|laptop | absentia3: Any particular reason? |
| 04:48.34 | absentia3 | has a few window managers... etc... especially if you have a usb mem stick.... can be fun to play with... |
| 04:48.38 | absentia3 | you said you were bored :-> |
| 04:49.01 | treke|laptop | I think I have a cd somewhere around here |
| 04:49.05 | absentia3 | ah |
| 04:49.14 | absentia3 | I downloaded 3.2 a day before 3.3 came out |
| 04:49.15 | treke|laptop | or I could just install them on my laptop :p |
| 04:49.24 | absentia3 | I learned python 2.2 a week before 2.3 came out |
| 04:49.24 | absentia3 | etc. |
| 04:49.37 | absentia3 | treke: ya, forgot... you know what you're doing. |
| 04:50.15 | treke|laptop | just lacking incentive to do anything |
| 04:50.24 | absentia3 | ditto |
| 04:51.59 | Reddog | treke.. find a serial mouse, and mail it to me :P |
| 04:53.19 | treke|laptop | hmmm. I think I have one in my closet |
| 04:54.43 | Reddog | either that.. or find me a schematic for a ps2 --> serial adapter |
| 04:55.35 | absentia3 | you can find that online |
| 04:55.53 | kergoth | i hate it when i have a ton of shit i could be doing |
| 04:55.57 | kergoth | but just.. am not |
| 04:56.04 | treke|laptop | kergoth: hehe, same :) |
| 04:56.17 | kc8apf | xfce is nice if you don't use the file manager |
| 04:56.34 | kergoth | treke|laptop: motivational problem |
| 04:56.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:56.37 | treke|laptop | that file manager was just plain scary |
| 04:56.46 | kergoth | "its a problem of motivation" </office space> |
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| 04:57.02 | treke|laptop | I don't think I'll go to work any more |
| 04:57.16 | kergoth | bills? i never liked bills, i dont think i'll pay those anymore either |
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| 04:57.32 | kc8apf | well, when you base a file manager on rox, you're just asking for nasty |
| 04:57.39 | treke|laptop | "How much work would you say you do in a given day" |
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| 04:58.13 | treke|laptop | kc8apf: I rather liked the rox file manager. It wasnt quite efm, but it was one of the nicer ones I've used |
| 04:58.34 | kc8apf | i'm a CLI junky |
| 04:58.40 | kergoth | efm.. that was nice |
| 04:59.42 | treke|laptop | evidence is supposed to be nice, but it doesnt feel right |
| 05:00.11 | kc8apf | i'd like something easy to navigate with, xffm is not |
| 05:00.12 | absentia3 | anyone know what a packageinfo.spy dir might contain in the .ipks ? |
| 05:00.21 | kc8apf | konqueror isn't bad, but well, i'm not going to install KDE |
| 05:00.28 | treke|laptop | efm was really easy to navigate with |
| 05:00.46 | treke|laptop | going up one directory was just a matter of typing ../ |
| 05:00.47 | treke|laptop | :) |
| 05:01.03 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 05:01.12 | absentia3 | I just find that file manager guis always slow me down |
| 05:01.25 | ChipX86 | I felt that way for every one but efm |
| 05:01.28 | W8TVI | I like mc |
| 05:01.38 | treke|laptop | efm was really the best of both worlds |
| 05:01.53 | treke|laptop | though the implementation had issues |
| 05:02.00 | ChipX86 | nod |
| 05:03.22 | treke|laptop | it was also pretty. really pretty |
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| 05:04.57 | ChipX86 | I can't wait for e17 |
| 05:05.05 | treke|laptop | yeah. |
| 05:05.09 | ChipX86 | I've never been able to switch away from enlightenment |
| 05:05.21 | kergoth | tried it? its real nice even now. configuration is a huge pain in the ass though |
| 05:05.29 | ChipX86 | yeah, I used it for awhile |
| 05:05.40 | treke|laptop | kergoth: Is it usable now? |
| 05:05.47 | ChipX86 | I can't switch from E16 right now because I make use of the pager border styles constantly |
| 05:06.11 | ChipX86 | it surprises me that I haven't found another WM that does that as nicely as e16, or at all |
| 05:06.22 | treke|laptop | I havent used in a couple years now, but I'd switch back in a heart beat if it e17 gets back on track with what was planned |
| 05:07.06 | kc8apf | i'd just like a file manager that was elegant and easy to use |
| 05:07.10 | treke|laptop | last I tried e17, it really wasnt of any use |
| 05:07.18 | kc8apf | i could care less about eyecandy |
| 05:07.42 | ChipX86 | well that was the cool thing about efm.. it was eye candy, but so nice to use for those of us who use command lines |
| 05:07.54 | treke|laptop | yup. |
| 05:08.05 | ChipX86 | I've been tempted to dig up an old copy of efm and patch it up a bit |
| 05:08.27 | treke|laptop | I wonder if I still have a tarball of it around |
| 05:08.50 | ChipX86 | I had a customized version of it that I made awhile back, but I lost the patch.. it had some bug fixes and some small usability tweaks |
| 05:09.13 | treke|laptop | the one thing that always annoyed me was that it didnt get along with files with spaces in the name |
| 05:09.23 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 05:09.38 | ChipX86 | I loved going into a dir with ttf files :) |
| 05:10.17 | treke|laptop | bingo. think I found a copy |
| 05:10.24 | ChipX86 | :) |
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| 05:13.19 | AbsentiaZ | that was weird |
| 05:13.40 | AbsentiaZ | mahjongg let wife click on any two pieces that matched and they would be removed |
| 05:14.10 | AbsentiaZ | next, when it got to the end of the game it said that there were no more moves, but there were many |
| 05:14.37 | AbsentiaZ | of course, when I went back to landscape mode, the sash rom crashed and I lost my connection here. |
| 05:14.53 | treke|laptop | ChipX86: http://ent.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/efm-cvs.tar.gz |
| 05:15.08 | ChipX86 | thanks :) |
| 05:15.18 | AbsentiaZ | my sd in zdebian is unstable... it's almost like running ms software!! |
| 05:15.43 | ChipX86 | http://qpe-gaim.sf.net/qpe-gaim-640x480.png |
| 05:16.20 | treke|laptop | cool. bigger toolbar buttons |
| 05:16.34 | AbsentiaZ | how do I get that from qpe gaim to a browser? |
| 05:16.36 | treke|laptop | are they configurable? |
| 05:16.43 | treke|laptop | AbsentiaZ: copy and paste? |
| 05:16.58 | ChipX86 | treke|laptop: nope, but it's only for the larger resolutions |
| 05:17.08 | treke|laptop | darn :) |
| 05:17.34 | treke|laptop | ubeing able to tab around the menu would be cooler :p |
| 05:17.39 | AbsentiaZ | whoa!! copy & paste worked! |
| 05:17.51 | ChipX86 | treke|laptop: it's on the todo for this release |
| 05:17.59 | treke|laptop | cool. |
| 05:18.05 | ChipX86 | along with message notification |
| 05:18.11 | AbsentiaZ | I just want font selection and a much smaller input area |
| 05:18.18 | ChipX86 | the input area is smaller now |
| 05:18.24 | AbsentiaZ | I get 3 lines of chat... yup |
| 05:18.32 | treke|laptop | the smaller icons are only really a problem when using your fingers to push them |
| 05:18.48 | ChipX86 | AbsentiaZ: http://www.chipx86.com/qpe-gaim-640x480-2.png |
| 05:18.51 | AbsentiaZ | can I just install the new core without all the protocols? |
| 05:18.57 | ChipX86 | AbsentiaZ: no |
| 05:19.03 | ChipX86 | each new qpe-gaim uses a new libgaim |
| 05:19.07 | ChipX86 | which needs new prpls |
| 05:19.13 | treke|laptop | prpls? |
| 05:19.16 | ChipX86 | protocol plugins |
| 05:19.22 | treke|laptop | something new I need to add buildroot? |
| 05:19.24 | treke|laptop | ah |
| 05:19.35 | ChipX86 | nah, part of libgaim |
| 05:19.46 | treke|laptop | goo. more dependencies are no fun :p |
| 05:19.50 | AbsentiaZ | so I have to uninstall all and reinstall |
| 05:20.01 | ChipX86 | AbsentiaZ: OZ or sharp rom? |
| 05:20.24 | AbsentiaZ | sash |
| 05:20.28 | AbsentiaZ | 1.17 |
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| 05:20.36 | ChipX86 | sash? Not familiar with that |
| 05:20.44 | AbsentiaZ | www.cacko.biz |
| 05:20.48 | AbsentiaZ | based on sharp |
| 05:20.51 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 05:21.07 | ChipX86 | well, don't know what to say there. Upgrading isn't very painful on OZ |
| 05:21.20 | AbsentiaZ | ill try now |
| 05:21.26 | AbsentiaZ | wish me luck |
| 05:21.34 | ChipX86 | but this screenshot is of a version that isn't going to be out for a couple weeks |
| 05:21.37 | AbsentiaZ | whats the qpe feed? |
| 05:21.41 | AbsentiaZ | oh |
| 05:21.44 | AbsentiaZ | nevermind |
| 05:21.47 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 05:21.56 | treke|laptop | there any new releases planned for the near future? |
| 05:22.06 | ChipX86 | busy.. school, girlfriend, gaim, qpe-gaim, cheops, and a couple other projects |
| 05:22.19 | ChipX86 | treke|laptop: 2 weeks is my estimate |
| 05:22.21 | ChipX86 | hopefully sooner |
| 05:22.28 | treke|laptop | cool. |
| 05:22.34 | ChipX86 | I can make it sooner if I move message notification to 0.5 |
| 05:22.43 | ChipX86 | and a couple other things |
| 05:22.47 | treke|laptop | maybe I'll try recompiling gaim |
| 05:23.08 | ChipX86 | I may put snapshot builds up soon |
| 05:23.17 | ChipX86 | I just won't support them :) |
| 05:23.38 | treke|laptop | oddly enough, now 0.2 doesnt work for me either |
| 05:23.48 | ChipX86 | get 0.3 |
| 05:24.37 | treke|laptop | nor does 0.3 |
| 05:24.40 | treke|laptop | it's weird. |
| 05:24.44 | ChipX86 | hmm |
| 05:24.59 | treke|laptop | it's like it isnt using gconv-modules |
| 05:25.37 | ChipX86 | odd |
| 05:25.44 | ChipX86 | well, back to studying. bbs |
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| 05:48.42 | ChipX86 | bah. I'm either going to do decent on this, or not at all |
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| 13:59.40 | absentia3 | re |
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| 15:34.05 | andy | Hello everyone. What's a good audio player for OZ? |
| 15:36.10 | Disconnect | makes the Z (with a wireless card) a lovely portable streaming music player. |
| 15:36.51 | andy | So what you're saying is that I should try Opie? |
| 15:36.54 | W8TVI | I use opie-player2 |
| 15:37.51 | andy | Yeah, that's more of what I was thinking to use. |
| 15:38.15 | andy | But, which is better? Opie-Player2 or XMMS? |
| 15:48.09 | absentia3 | re |
| 15:48.30 | absentia3 | I have zradio |
| 15:48.37 | absentia3 | but there aren't any docs on how to configure new channels |
| 15:48.41 | absentia3 | I should look at xmms or mplayer |
| 15:48.43 | Disconnect | its not like its a huge download - install to cf/ram/... and try it, if it works, uninstall/reinstall.. |
| 15:48.55 | Disconnect | (to somewhere more permanent) |
| 15:54.31 | Disconnect | but I suspect thats relating to the fact I never spent much time arguing with it ;) |
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| 16:14.35 | _andy_ | Where can I find libstdc++? |
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| 16:44.40 | _andy_ | Can someone help me out? When I try to launch the Opie Media Player, it fails. |
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| 16:49.10 | cshields | hey all. anyone know if MPPE support is in the kernel/pppd for OpenPDA (Zaurus C760) |
| 16:49.10 | cshields | ? |
| 16:50.33 | mickeyl | (apart from me, that is) |
| 16:51.32 | cshields | (well, the boss did, which means I have to get it to work for him) |
| 16:51.38 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 16:51.46 | Disconnect | mickeyl: c760 here |
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| 16:57.26 | raduga | MPPE? |
| 16:57.33 | mewyn | evil |
| 16:57.39 | raduga | bad? |
| 16:59.00 | cshields | raduga: Microsoft Point to Point Encryption. a lot of pptp VPN servers use MPPE for encryption (unfortunately, yes, I know) |
| 16:59.34 | treke | cshields: the first word in that acronym means "Probably not" |
| 17:00.11 | Disconnect | not evil, just way poorly implemented. which means most vendor implementations are just as insecure due to bug->bug mapping with their MS clients. |
| 17:00.44 | treke | interesting, some does have a client with mppe support |
| 17:01.09 | cshields | treke: who? |
| 17:01.36 | cshields | you can get mppe into the standard kernel pppd drivers, or into the standard pptp client |
| 17:02.03 | cshields | but the only pptp client I've found for qtopia claims not to have the mppe support, so it would then need to be in the kernel or pppd |
| 17:02.10 | treke | http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/ has support for it |
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| 17:02.27 | treke | cshields: Sounds like you need a new kernel :) |
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| 17:02.48 | cshields | treke: yeah, that is where the pptp qtopia client comes from |
| 17:03.00 | cshields | treke: how easy is that to do for the zaurus? |
| 17:03.17 | treke | same as any other kernel build. |
| 17:04.00 | mickeyl | (just for the guys) |
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| 17:10.38 | Disconnect | same as any other embedded and/or cross kernel build. which translates to mostly easy ;) |
| 17:11.09 | kergoth | ARCH & CROSS_COMPILE.. kernel crosscompilation is an inspiration |
| 17:11.10 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:13.40 | absentia3 | mickey: I ahve a c700 and a c760 |
| 17:13.44 | absentia3 | I have my 760 here with me at work. |
| 17:13.54 | absentia3 | I'm gonna get your 2.3.2 python on the beast tonight. |
| 17:15.24 | mickeyl | cool |
| 17:15.36 | mickeyl | my python feed seems to work everywhere |
| 17:15.41 | mickeyl | truely exceptional :) |
| 17:22.04 | Twiun | good packaging :) |
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| 17:24.03 | absentia3 | yes, I love it. |
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| 17:46.13 | P-Chan | hrm :| |
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| 18:51.40 | rev|lib | boo |
| 18:52.09 | treke | boo who? |
| 18:53.49 | rev|lib | boo j00! |
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| 19:40.33 | cshields | hey guys! I grabbed a file from zauruszone.com, a .ipk.bin and I have it on my zaurus now (after a lot of fighting) and need to instal it, but ipkg only takes .ipk's and this is a .bin |
| 19:40.42 | cshields | what do I need to do to unpack? this? |
| 19:40.55 | kergoth | mv blah.ipk.bin blah.ipk |
| 19:40.58 | kergoth | ipkg install blah.ipk |
| 19:41.00 | kergoth | ta da |
| 19:41.43 | cshields | *sigh* |
| 19:41.54 | cshields | thanks kergoth.. I think I'll go sit in the corner for a while now.. :) |
| 19:42.24 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 20:23.32 | wbs | Hi folks! |
| 20:23.36 | kergoth | hey |
| 20:23.46 | wbs | I just got my nice new C760 today!!! |
| 20:23.49 | wbs | :)) |
| 20:23.50 | kergoth | congrats |
| 20:23.54 | wbs | Cheers! |
| 20:23.56 | wbs | How are you? |
| 20:24.19 | kergoth | bleh, long day, just accidentally lost all the code i did over hte past 4 days |
| 20:24.31 | wbs | Not good :( |
| 20:24.45 | wbs | I've had a long day too. But now I'm going to play with my new toy! |
| 20:24.47 | wbs | heh |
| 20:25.23 | wbs | Could you try www.cacko.biz |
| 20:25.37 | wbs | It isn't working for me. I was hoping to d/l a new rom |
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| 20:35.10 | cshields | is there a good package server to use for add-ons for the C760? |
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| 20:55.08 | absentia3 | wbs: congrats. |
| 20:55.36 | absentia3 | kergoth: when I am in hyper dev mode, I make copies via cron to move offsite.... as well as manual checkpoints at good stopping points. |
| 20:55.42 | absentia3 | it's saved my a$$ more than once |
| 20:56.47 | absentia3 | zaurususergroup dropped or never had forums just for c7x0 series |
| 20:57.02 | absentia3 | I'm not sure if I like all the discussion mixed in with the 5x00 stuffs |
| 21:02.19 | absentia3 | www.myzaurus.com, community.zaurus.com, zaurus.com/dev/board, www.zauruserusergroup.com, www.externe.net/zaurus/forum ... I'm sure I've missed a few. whata re some (other) main places? |
| 21:02.33 | mickeyl | arent't these enough? |
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| 21:10.24 | wbs | Thanks absentia3 :) |
| 21:15.44 | W8TVI_ | Laptop |
| 21:15.47 | W8TVI_ | oops' |
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| 21:34.54 | absentia3 | that's my point |
| 21:34.55 | absentia3 | too many |
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| 22:37.13 | raster | meh! |
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| 23:08.59 | MG_Tak | evenin' |
| 23:10.11 | gerrynjr | evening MG_Tak |
| 23:10.52 | rev | ahoy! |
| 23:11.02 | rev | gerrynjr: got my new HPC... :D |
| 23:11.40 | gerrynjr | rev> hpc? |
| 23:11.46 | rev | handheld pc |
| 23:11.47 | rev | e.g. |
| 23:11.48 | rev | the sigmarion III |
| 23:11.58 | gerrynjr | rev> bastard |
| 23:12.01 | gerrynjr | got pics of it? |
| 23:12.05 | gerrynjr | if so.. get some |
| 23:12.07 | gerrynjr | no |
| 23:12.09 | rev | i shall take some tonight |
| 23:12.13 | rev | there are some online already |
| 23:12.17 | rev | but not of mine |
| 23:12.26 | rev | i'll take a bunch, comparing with size to the c760 and newton etc etc |
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| 23:41.50 | MG_Tak | grr, this new gaim crashes all too oftne. |
| 23:42.02 | treke | new gaim? |
| 23:42.39 | MG_Tak | .72 |
| 23:48.55 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek|work> ping |
| 23:48.59 | MG_Tak | pong |
| 23:49.20 | gerrynjr | MG_Tak> i wasn't pinging you! |
| 23:49.35 | MG_Tak | gerrynjr: someone hacked the routing tables. |
| 23:49.41 | gerrynjr | MG_Tak> :-D |
| 23:54.47 | rev | doh |
