| 00:11.11 | CHak | anyone know if a binary for dosbox(http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/information.php?page=0) exists for the zaurus? I'm not smart enough to compile it myself :( |
| 00:11.47 | gerrynjr | I thought dosbox has some asm in it |
| 00:13.00 | kergoth | CHak: follow ljp's instructions. check zsi. |
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| 00:17.36 | CHak | what is zsi? |
| 00:18.45 | kergoth | CHak: want to bet that google knows? |
| 00:18.52 | kergoth | CHak: i'd be glad to take your money. |
| 00:19.56 | ljp | ibot: zsi |
| 00:20.15 | kergoth | ibot: google for zsi |
| 00:20.31 | MG_Tak | huh |
| 00:20.32 | CHak | thanks :) |
| 00:20.43 | MG_Tak | ibot actually goes to google for that? |
| 00:20.45 | | MG_Tak: bugger all, i dunno |
| 00:20.58 | MG_Tak | ibot: shut up dumbass I'm talking about you, not to you. |
| 00:20.59 | | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, MG_Tak |
| 00:21.06 | MG_Tak | Grr :) |
| 00:21.23 | MG_Tak | kergoth: hey, any ETA on when OZ'd be out for 5600? |
| 00:21.26 | kergoth | no |
| 00:24.26 | MG_Tak | more like weeks or months? |
| 00:24.40 | kergoth | months. |
| 00:24.49 | kergoth | i'd say a month to get the rest of the stuff in the new system |
| 00:25.05 | kergoth | then theres integration, packaging naming, deviceisms, testing time, release candidates, .. |
| 00:25.33 | MG_Tak | yeouch |
| 00:25.46 | kergoth | s/packaging/package/ |
| 00:27.42 | MG_Tak | don't :) |
| 00:29.59 | kergoth | the amount of time to maintain such a thing is astounding |
| 00:31.07 | MG_Tak | kergoth: without a doubt |
| 00:31.29 | kergoth | gets old too, since i do distro stuff at work |
| 00:31.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:32.50 | MG_Tak | kergoth: what do you do at work? (don't say 'distro stuff' .. :) ) |
| 00:33.52 | kergoth | OE buildsystem stuff, kernel development, bootloader level diagnostics, etc |
| 00:34.27 | MG_Tak | For what kind of devices? |
| 00:35.09 | kergoth | i can say i'm an embedded linux developer for ti. thats about it. i'm under nda. |
| 00:35.33 | MG_Tak | Oh. :) okay. |
| 00:38.08 | MG_Tak | (yah I know, no one cares) |
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| 01:15.41 | yacko5 | #pocketwarrior |
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| 01:18.00 | rev | ? |
| 01:18.12 | rev | the ti92 could run linux |
| 01:18.13 | rev | but suckily |
| 01:18.14 | rev | no MMU |
| 01:18.18 | rev | so i'd have to run uclinux or something |
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| 01:22.33 | treke | bah, who needs an mmu |
| 01:22.58 | rev | your mom |
| 01:23.10 | gerrynjr | rev> no mom jokes! |
| 01:23.21 | gerrynjr | I don't even have a mom you insensitive clod... |
| 01:23.23 | treke | ~momsex rev |
| 01:23.26 | | ACTION has sex with rev's mom |
| 01:23.27 | gerrynjr | I was born in a testtube! |
| 01:24.09 | rev | ~momsex treke's sister and mom and aunt and niece and uncles (ALL OF HIS UNCLES) |
| 01:24.15 | | ACTION has sex with treke's sister and mom and aunt and niece and uncles (ALL OF HIS UNCLES)'s mom |
| 01:24.20 | rev | wow you sick fuck |
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| 01:58.04 | treke|home | ha |
| 01:58.48 | rev | HO |
| 02:03.57 | treke|home | whee. dvd time |
| 02:05.59 | rev | what j00 watching? |
| 02:06.31 | treke|home | sopranos season 4 |
| 02:07.20 | rev | what's that about? |
| 02:07.21 | rev | the mob? |
| 02:07.26 | rev | or signers? |
| 02:07.49 | treke|home | mob |
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| 02:13.18 | rev | woohoo!~! |
| 02:13.24 | rev | i bought an ebook on amazon |
| 02:13.37 | treke|z | uhm congrats? |
| 02:13.38 | rev | the entire night's dawn trilogy for $13, 6 books worth, 3600 pages total |
| 02:13.39 | rev | well |
| 02:13.40 | rev | pffft |
| 02:13.51 | rev | the pumped part comes in because CLIT converted it all with no problems |
| 02:13.57 | rev | to HTML/OEBPS |
| 02:14.01 | treke|z | clit works well |
| 02:14.02 | rev | stripping all of the protected drm stuff |
| 02:14.03 | rev | yes |
| 02:14.07 | rev | i was worried it wouldn't |
| 02:14.15 | rev | so now i can read it on the Z or a WinCE PDA |
| 02:14.29 | rev | it's retarded, you can't even read LITs on non-PPC WinCE device |
| 02:14.33 | rev | anywho |
| 02:14.35 | rev | this rules |
| 02:14.56 | treke|z | you know it can downgrade to drm1, right? |
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| 02:17.26 | rev | hrmmmm |
| 02:17.33 | rev | yeah, i know you can do that |
| 02:17.36 | rev | but that odesn't do me any good |
| 02:17.42 | rev | still can't read it anywhere other than a windows desktop |
| 02:17.50 | rev | hrmmm crrappy |
| 02:17.56 | rev | didn't do the whole file, or didn't do it correctly |
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| 02:19.55 | treke|z | Ive used it on a half dozen books |
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| 02:28.29 | rev | hrmmm |
| 02:28.31 | rev | odd |
| 02:28.33 | rev | it's a huge book |
| 02:28.36 | rev | 3600 pages |
| 02:28.38 | rev | 6 books |
| 02:28.55 | rev | but it only spit out 500 K worth of files in my ndt-oebps folder |
| 02:29.14 | rev | definately doesn't look to be complete |
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| 03:02.54 | treke|z | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:04.24 | nianderson | are there any modules to turn the zaurus into a phone? |
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| 04:34.36 | TCMAN | hi |
| 04:34.46 | kendrick | hello |
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| 04:45.59 | kergoth | hey TCMAN, kendrick |
| 04:46.20 | kendrick | hey |
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| 05:42.36 | kend-work | gnite |
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| 06:07.47 | count_ | anyone here runs debian on the Z ? |
| 06:08.27 | W8TVI|z | not I |
| 06:09.10 | mspencer | I would, but no time... |
| 06:09.34 | mspencer | Still have to study for the Level 13 (i.e. lowest level, most basic) Kanji Proficiency Exam I'm taking Saturday after next. |
| 06:09.34 | count_ | i was wandering if I need to flash a rom for that or no |
| 06:10.04 | count_ | how do I install IPK packages from command line ? |
| 06:10.18 | mspencer | I think my test is intended for Japanese kindergarten-age students. How humiliating...X__X |
| 06:10.43 | W8TVI|z | d'oh! |
| 06:10.45 | mspencer | ipkg install coolstuff-1.0-2.312.arm.ipk |
| 06:11.21 | count_ | cool :) |
| 06:11.28 | count_ | and is there something like apt-get search ? |
| 06:11.38 | mspencer | no idea |
| 06:11.47 | mspencer | I must return to studying. X__X |
| 06:11.54 | count_ | thanks |
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| 06:12.47 | W8TVI|z | count |
| 06:13.21 | W8TVI|z | there is a howto on the zaurususergroup.com site for that |
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| 06:14.38 | bish0p_tr | count_: http://openzaurus.org/ -- for all your debian zaurus needs |
| 06:15.23 | count_ | thanks :) |
| 06:15.53 | W8TVI|z | http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpWiki&file=index&pagename=Debian%20and%20tcl%2Ftk%20on%20the%20SL-5500 |
| 06:16.02 | count_ | bishop: actually, i'm not runnign debian on it. I would like, to but I don't want to reinstall the romm -- can I do that ? |
| 06:16.15 | bish0p_tr | i just finished doing that |
| 06:16.20 | count_ | cool !:) |
| 06:16.47 | bish0p_tr | pretty easy if you have a compact flash card.. make sure if you are using windows to put the files on the CF card you turn on "show extentions". that nailed me |
| 06:17.22 | count_ | i dont have a CF card... |
| 06:17.30 | count_ | i had to buy one and return it :) |
| 06:18.43 | count_ | i do have a MMC card, its 128 mb -- i'm using crows rom |
| 06:18.56 | bish0p_tr | they are getting pretty cheap. but you need a CF card to do the flash (SD doesn' twork) |
| 06:20.26 | count_ | it says that flash is optional |
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| 06:34.04 | NAM | since I do not have a CompactFlash (CF) card and just a SecureDigital (SD) card, how would I go about flashing a new ROM? |
| 06:38.24 | count_ | NAM, i think you can't. |
| 06:38.46 | count_ | NAM, i went and bought a CF card, flashed, and then returned it back to the store, same day |
| 06:39.11 | count_ | oh, he left ;) |
| 06:56.40 | count_ | how do I shut down Qtopia desktop, but keep my zaurus on, so that I can work in a shell ? |
| 07:10.51 | count_ | i need to install gnu-tar instead of busybox tar... I've downloaded the binary gnu-tar from pocketworkstation.org/files/gnu-tar.gz and it says that it can not find librt.so |
| 07:11.00 | count_ | whats this librt ? |
| 07:18.15 | bish0p_tr | not sure, but http://opl.carc.jp/feed/zaurus/ has a feed for it |
| 07:27.43 | count_ | bishop: thanks |
| 07:30.27 | count_ | well, this gnu-tar is just not right -- it now wants glibc2.2.3 |
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| 07:30.34 | count_ | and i have 2.2.2 |
| 07:31.16 | count_ | what libc do you have ? |
| 07:33.14 | bish0p_tr | dunno |
| 07:35.34 | count_ | do you have busybox tar ? |
| 07:41.21 | bish0p_tr | i'm not sure yet, i've just gotten OpenZaurus installed, haven't had a chance to check that out.. once this latest round of application installs finishs i'll check |
| 07:42.23 | count_ | i decided to take the chances, and use the busybox tar to do the untar |
| 07:42.51 | bish0p_tr | yep, bhusybox 0.61.pre tar |
| 07:43.16 | count_ | i guess you havent noticed any problems... |
| 07:45.12 | count_ | ah... i've got an older one, 0.60 |
| 07:46.09 | count_ | if you do tar -V does it list the 'p' option ? |
| 07:57.39 | count_ | how can I check if my persmissions are messed, or ok. Is something in the archive is supposed to be owned by a non-root user / |
| 07:57.39 | count_ | ? |
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| 07:58.22 | count_ | dev/* seems to be right, it has a tty group |
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| 08:47.47 | jaku | hi, is there any problem if I install opie-addressbook in QT? |
| 08:48.39 | lpotter_away | in QT? |
| 08:49.48 | jaku | lpotter: not in opie.. but in the Sharp one |
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| 08:51.15 | lpotter | there should be a 'opie apps for sharp rom' somewhere. use that |
| 08:55.11 | jaku | lpotter: tks.. |
| 09:10.13 | jaku | is it possible to open file .sxw, or is there any application that export .sxw in doc or hmw etc?? (in the zaurus?) |
| 09:19.20 | lpotter | whats sxw? |
| 09:22.23 | jaku | si the file "word" from Open Office, I have it in my computer.. and I don't want to export in .doc |
| 09:26.57 | lpotter | oh.. hmm, maybe hancom can handle that |
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| 09:56.12 | mark | OOo writer |
| 09:57.13 | jaku | mark: ?? |
| 09:58.11 | mark | jaku, .swx == OpenOffice.org writer |
| 10:01.25 | jaku | mark: :) yap.. I have thought about an OOo writer for zaurus.. :( |
| 10:08.37 | lpotter | anyone need a qtopia developers job? |
| 10:11.07 | darmou | Is anyone considering buying the SL-6000? |
| 10:11.33 | jaku | lpotter: ?? |
| 10:12.07 | lpotter | ttp://www.qtforum.org/thread.php?threadid=56&sid=6f17361b12f505f2bb5140ec039f47b0 |
| 10:12.30 | lpotter | sharp shoudl really release the c760 in the us |
| 10:13.31 | Twiun | darmou: nope, I'm salivating at the C760 |
| 10:21.27 | TCMAN | good night |
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| 11:36.44 | darmou | lpotter did you know that theKompany is selling the c760? |
| 11:44.18 | lpotter | yes |
| 11:50.42 | darmou | Is it worth buying it from them? |
| 11:53.39 | lpotter | sure, why not |
| 11:58.07 | mark | Twiun, still? :) |
| 11:58.43 | Twiun | yup, I still exist ;) |
| 11:58.55 | mark | Twiun, hows the job? |
| 11:59.05 | Twiun | mark: yeah, first month's wages were just enough to pay off the debts I mounted wilst unemployed |
| 11:59.21 | Twiun | s/wilst/whilst/ |
| 11:59.48 | mark | Twiun, good good. well, not nice that you've had to spend your months wages on paying of debt, but nice they're cleared |
| 12:00.31 | Twiun | absolutely - bad news is that I'm resigning from this place |
| 12:00.38 | mark | Twiun, oh? |
| 12:00.44 | Twiun | awful corporate ethics |
| 12:00.51 | Twiun | well.. contractor treatment anyway |
| 12:01.37 | Twiun | new place is a 2hr commute |
| 12:01.50 | Twiun | but more interesting and better paid |
| 12:02.01 | mark | Twiun, good good |
| 12:02.09 | mark | what you to be doing there? |
| 12:02.14 | Twiun | what about you? what are you up to now? |
| 12:02.32 | mark | Twiun, half term :) |
| 12:02.32 | Twiun | mark: wireless api development |
| 12:02.35 | Twiun | mark: bah |
| 12:02.53 | mark | Twiun, but work to be doing |
| 12:03.37 | Twiun | mark: good, good ;) |
| 12:03.45 | Twiun | mark: idle thumbs and all that |
| 12:07.25 | mark | Twiun, heh |
| 12:10.22 | mark | yeh, just my thoughts :P |
| 12:10.58 | lpotter | TI is hiring |
| 12:11.36 | mark | good |
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| 12:12.48 | Twiun | lpotter: in the UK? |
| 12:13.02 | lpotter | nope, Texas |
| 12:13.14 | Twiun | hmmm... tempting... really |
| 12:13.27 | lpotter | :) |
| 12:15.34 | mark | Twiun, hehe |
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| 12:53.58 | jaku | how can I import a file with all my contacs in the addressbook program in the zaurus?? (no sync) |
| 12:57.47 | jaku | with the opie addressbook is easy.. there is "import"... |
| 13:00.32 | jaku | i tryed to install opie-addressbook but the icon doesn't appear |
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| 13:33.49 | jaku | help: is I re-boot and is 10 minutes that the light "mail" is on... |
| 13:34.26 | jaku | I can reset.. but i'll lose all |
| 13:35.33 | jaku | ideas?? |
| 13:36.46 | madeddie | well |
| 13:36.54 | madeddie | running sharp rom i guess? |
| 13:37.03 | jaku | yap.. |
| 13:38.02 | madeddie | only thing that works for me, when i don't want to use the reset button is to wait for the power to drain and the zaurus to turn off automagically, then turn it on immidiately |
| 13:38.15 | madeddie | the main reason i wnt over to openzaurus |
| 13:39.02 | jaku | hm.. (can i use ctrl F2 ?? ) :) |
| 14:02.01 | madeddie | ctrl-f2? |
| 14:02.04 | madeddie | alt-f2? |
| 14:18.12 | koyote | bah, this is depressing |
| 14:18.28 | madeddie | what is? |
| 14:18.33 | koyote | i have emacs and regular gnu fileutils on a windowsce jornada 720 |
| 14:18.38 | koyote | and perl |
| 14:18.41 | koyote | and scheme |
| 14:18.53 | koyote | I have basically none of this running on my 750 |
| 14:19.13 | koyote | it's not a packet workstation if I can't do basic things on it :( |
| 14:19.22 | koyote | s/packet/pocket/ |
| 14:20.44 | madeddie | true |
| 14:21.20 | koyote | it's very sad that the wince box has all this stuff, though. |
| 14:21.30 | koyote | though it is a port of ntemacs and thus less good. |
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| 14:24.11 | madeddie | well, i don't know, i'm not up to date with the 7** series, my 5500 and 5600 work perfectly with debian |
| 14:24.28 | madeddie | i heard that it worked on the 760 as well |
| 14:24.37 | madeddie | only how well it worked, i have no clue |
| 14:24.50 | koyote | so far I haven't been able to get decent compilers installed. |
| 14:25.00 | koyote | but then again, I haven't tried a real debian install. |
| 14:25.11 | madeddie | ow, you want to compile as well? |
| 14:25.15 | madeddie | i haven't tried that |
| 14:25.21 | koyote | just oz and sharp, both of which are targeted as 'pda' OSen |
| 14:25.22 | madeddie | just standard workstation stuffs |
| 14:25.27 | madeddie | ah |
| 14:25.32 | koyote | why not? it's a 400mhz machine with 64MB ram :) |
| 14:25.53 | koyote | I may not want to compile X on it, but I should be able to do regular projects |
| 14:26.45 | madeddie | well, there's pocketworkstation.org |
| 14:26.53 | madeddie | it's arm |
| 14:27.06 | madeddie | you want to compile arm binaries? or do you want to crosscompile? |
| 14:30.35 | koyote | compile. onboard |
| 14:31.07 | koyote | see, that's one of the big things I have problems with. I've got a peculiar philosophy about handhelds |
| 14:31.20 | koyote | and I tend to think that they should be independent of desktops entirely :) |
| 14:32.35 | koyote | the 750, for example, is a reasonably affordable pocket computer *if* it can completely replace the actual *need* for a desktop or laptop. I can afford all three, but for a lot of people, one device is it. |
| 14:33.44 | madeddie | hehe, well, for the next 5 years pocket computers will not replace desktops, nor laptops, although laptops could be in the next 3 years, not sure, but cost/effectiveness equations still favor bigger machines for normal use |
| 14:34.07 | madeddie | doing everything on a pocket device is still a geeks dream :) |
| 14:34.10 | koyote | people have been saying that since 1979 |
| 14:34.18 | madeddie | no they haven't |
| 14:34.26 | koyote | and I've pretty much been able to do everythhing on a pocket device since 1979 |
| 14:34.27 | madeddie | there weren't any notable pocket stations then |
| 14:34.31 | koyote | uh |
| 14:34.35 | madeddie | they just dreamed of pocket computer that could do that |
| 14:34.36 | koyote | i've got one on my desk |
| 14:34.51 | madeddie | what machine is that? |
| 14:34.58 | koyote | tandy PC-1 |
| 14:35.05 | madeddie | duh, like i said, a geeks dream |
| 14:35.26 | koyote | same basic capabilities as the 'desktop' BASIC machiine i had |
| 14:35.28 | madeddie | nothing toting a usable interface has emerged |
| 14:35.29 | koyote | but with less ram |
| 14:35.47 | koyote | it was the same thing, same language, same basic OS |
| 14:35.58 | madeddie | and a lot more work to get everything running |
| 14:36.01 | koyote | nex to it there's my actual PDA- the one I use for real stuff every day |
| 14:36.06 | koyote | no |
| 14:36.09 | koyote | no work at all |
| 14:36.11 | madeddie | i've had a libretto since i can remember |
| 14:36.12 | koyote | instant on |
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| 14:36.29 | koyote | I've got this HP 200LX, over 10 years old |
| 14:36.40 | koyote | it's a complete- and I mena complete- XT workstation |
| 14:36.57 | koyote | c compilers, dos5, hard drive, CGA, all of it. |
| 14:37.13 | koyote | still nothing to beat it in usability |
| 14:38.14 | madeddie | true, well, i can't really discus the 750/760 |
| 14:38.17 | madeddie | my 5500 is all that |
| 14:38.26 | madeddie | at least on the console |
| 14:38.31 | koyote | mine isn't. |
| 14:38.34 | madeddie | the gui is still a bit murky, but that's to be expected |
| 14:38.38 | madeddie | you have a 5500? |
| 14:38.51 | tux_mike | chouimat: looks like any normal SBC |
| 14:38.54 | koyote | i've got nearly everything. I have a strange addiction :) |
| 14:39.18 | koyote | the palm is what kiled palmtop development. damn them for steppign back 15 years |
| 14:39.27 | madeddie | koyote: well, in that case, you can run debian on the 5500 with X and every app that's been ported to ARM in the debian dpkg tree |
| 14:39.31 | madeddie | i've run KDE on it |
| 14:39.40 | madeddie | slow, horrible, but, works nevertheless |
| 14:39.59 | madeddie | well, i liked my palm3x, did what i wanted it to do for it's form factor |
| 14:40.08 | madeddie | my libretto did more, but was more than twice the size |
| 14:40.11 | madeddie | just like the PC-1 |
| 14:40.21 | koyote | the pc-1 is *tiny* |
| 14:40.29 | koyote | you may be thinking of the model100 |
| 14:40.44 | koyote | the PC-1 is a little longer than a pocket calculator. |
| 14:40.57 | koyote | I really want a libretto, one of the things I don't have |
| 14:43.18 | madeddie | ow, yeah, the pc-1, with the 1 line lcd displayt |
| 14:43.30 | madeddie | you're calling that more usable than a 760?! |
| 14:43.58 | madeddie | well, i might've sold you mine if i hadn't broken it :( |
| 14:44.24 | madeddie | but it was one of the earliest libretto's, without soundcard, 486 cpu, but ran slackware and fvwm like a charm |
| 14:44.41 | madeddie | the pc-1 is the one with the 1 line display isn't it? |
| 14:45.02 | koyote | it's one that had a 1 line display, yeah |
| 14:45.26 | koyote | what I menat to get across was that it fundamentally as usable as the comparable desktop of the time |
| 14:45.32 | madeddie | well, it's a bit more work to get the 5500 running a complete linux system, but damn, give me that fine hi-res screen anyday |
| 14:45.37 | madeddie | true |
| 14:45.43 | koyote | same language, same programs, same storage devices, same rs232 |
| 14:45.46 | madeddie | but having a good color screen and sound is fancy, isn't it? |
| 14:45.49 | koyote | less RAM, though |
| 14:45.58 | madeddie | it's all about fancy toys |
| 14:45.59 | koyote | sure, but no one had that in 79 :) |
| 14:46.22 | madeddie | hehe, they're moving forward, just not in the direction people like you and me would like |
| 14:47.25 | madeddie | we would like a nice smart terminal like device, zaurus 760 or sony clie formfactor, pretty much just low-res console, text based input/output, decent memory and cpu, vga/rs232/standard lpt/maybe usb and firewire/ehternet outputs |
| 14:47.46 | madeddie | at least, that's what most nerds i know would like |
| 14:48.08 | koyote | well, here's a few things: |
| 14:48.11 | madeddie | ability to play games is nice, but having a real portable linux system is better |
| 14:48.44 | koyote | 1- the massive long term success of the 200LX is based in part on the fact that it was 100% compatible with a desktop. no recompiling, no castrated OS elements |
| 14:49.28 | koyote | 2- 'geeks' are all very odd, but professionally, a palmtop should have standard interfaces of most types, at least 640-480 color display, and a usable keyboard. |
| 14:50.04 | koyote | 3- the 750 is actually too small. it need to be about 4CM longer to accomodate better keyboard stuff. :) |
| 14:50.37 | koyote | I think that being able to run linux, bsd, windows, etc.- anythign a pc can run, is important |
| 14:53.01 | madeddie | but that'd mean intel cpu |
| 14:53.15 | koyote | or compatible |
| 14:53.21 | madeddie | and in that formfactor, running a modern intel cpu based OS is hard to produce for not too much money :) |
| 14:53.35 | koyote | via has a new *reallly* low power compatible cpu out |
| 14:53.36 | madeddie | true, but only intel and amd have enough power to run, for instance, XP |
| 14:53.52 | madeddie | don't know it yet |
| 14:53.58 | madeddie | powerful enough? |
| 14:53.59 | koyote | I can run XP on a p2/233 if I'm careful :p |
| 14:54.06 | koyote | yeah, it looks like a winner |
| 14:54.17 | madeddie | hehe |
| 14:54.20 | madeddie | and patient |
| 14:54.22 | koyote | onboard crypto accelerator, too |
| 14:54.26 | madeddie | nice |
| 14:54.35 | madeddie | and DMCA compliancy no doubt |
| 14:54.46 | madeddie | "CPU has halted, copyrighted material found" |
| 14:54.52 | madeddie | bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeb |
| 14:55.01 | koyote | actually, a p2/233 that I *do* use for win2k often is reasonably responsive as long as I'm not too demanding |
| 14:55.04 | koyote | heheheh |
| 14:55.29 | koyote | I think it's just an RSA accelerator. or some other protocol |
| 14:55.34 | koyote | too tired to remember |
| 14:55.35 | madeddie | well, if a handheld could run win2k, if only just capable of running 1 program at a time, i'd be severely impressed |
| 14:56.04 | madeddie | anyway, problem is that most people want fancy stuff, fancy looks, LOOOOOOW PRICE |
| 14:56.18 | koyote | I just don't see it as that hard. my 10 year old XT emulator wan handle windows 3.0 |
| 14:56.25 | koyote | see- that's the thing |