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| 00:20.14 | ChipX86 | is anybody here running qpe-gaim on a C7x0, or on a 5x00 running a 2.x rom or a 3.x rom? |
| 00:29.10 | _Psycho | yes |
| 00:29.14 | _Psycho | c700 shas rom |
| 00:29.19 | _Psycho | work fine |
| 00:29.32 | _Psycho | what you need Chip ? |
| 00:29.51 | _Psycho | not OZ thought |
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| 00:32.58 | treke|z | yeah, it isnt working well for me on oz either |
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| 00:34.33 | ChipX86 | _Psycho: going to put up some snapshots this weekend. I want to make sure they work |
| 00:34.42 | ChipX86 | works great on OZ here though |
| 00:36.02 | _Psycho | ah ok |
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| 00:36.14 | _Psycho | on OZ or sharp rom ? i use the sash rom (sharp) atm on my c700 |
| 00:36.21 | _Psycho | just check of me around i should be not far :) |
| 00:38.20 | ChipX86 | tested on sharp |
| 00:38.22 | treke|z | _Psycho: what is your problem? |
| 00:57.09 | _Psycho | treke i have none :) |
| 00:57.20 | _Psycho | what is YOUR ! =p |
| 00:57.21 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 00:57.24 | _Psycho | i need a beer |
| 00:57.31 | _Psycho | gonna go out i think |
| 01:12.45 | TCMAN | bye |
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| 01:58.13 | Luke-Jr | Anyone know how to get autofs working on the Z? |
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| 02:20.44 | offroadgeek | it's quite tonight |
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| 02:20.53 | offroadgeek | quiet... |
| 02:21.43 | Pendalar | cause servers keep going up and down |
| 02:22.16 | offroadgeek | ahhh |
| 02:22.37 | offroadgeek | that could easily stunt conversation ;) |
| 02:23.41 | Pendalar | yep |
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| 03:17.34 | MG_Tak | ChipX86: hey, in regular gaim, is there a way to set the default font for the interface? and to make "local" colors different without changing what peoples ee? |
| 03:25.06 | offroadgeek | hey tux |
| 03:25.33 | W8TVI | hey offroadgeek |
| 03:25.50 | offroadgeek | my bad.. I see 2 how-to and one faq... |
| 03:26.28 | W8TVI | I registered "TuxOfSteel" becouse it wouldnt let me register w8tvi |
| 03:26.35 | W8TVI | thats right |
| 03:26.57 | W8TVI | 7 points, right? |
| 03:27.06 | offroadgeek | no prob... did it give you a specific error with w8tvi? |
| 03:27.15 | offroadgeek | 7 yes.. I'll email you a confirmation |
| 03:27.38 | W8TVI | I think I tried to register it, and it didn't get finished |
| 03:27.55 | W8TVI | it claimed that it was already registered I think |
| 03:28.34 | offroadgeek | ahh.. I can delete that one, and change the tuxofsteel to w8tvi if you'd like... |
| 03:29.22 | W8TVI | sure |
| 03:29.39 | W8TVI | I was tring to deside if I wanted to keep tuxofsteel or not :) |
| 03:29.54 | W8TVI | but I'm W8TVI every where else |
| 03:29.57 | offroadgeek | up to you of course! |
| 03:31.33 | W8TVI | so there are 2 5500s? |
| 03:32.15 | offroadgeek | yes... but one will be raffeled off after the contest... |
| 03:32.54 | W8TVI | ah..ok |
| 03:33.30 | offroadgeek | all those with a minimum of 3 points will be entered into the drawing (except those who win a z) |
| 03:33.38 | W8TVI | where my howtos good? |
| 03:34.55 | offroadgeek | yes, I think so... A + |
| 03:35.19 | W8TVI | with the FAQ one, I was trying to remind people about tab completion. I see alot people that seem to forget about it, and its VERY handy on the Z |
| 03:38.37 | offroadgeek | you're right.. I use it every time I use terminal... couldn't imagine not using it! |
| 03:39.56 | offroadgeek | I just added the faq into the software section... I added some images as well :) |
| 03:40.19 | W8TVI | cool |
| 03:41.15 | W8TVI | I"m going to write up some more howtos if I can think of some |
| 03:41.18 | W8TVI | I need another 5500 |
| 03:41.29 | W8TVI | mine is flaky |
| 03:41.32 | offroadgeek | *need* or want? |
| 03:41.40 | offroadgeek | ahh.. that makes sense then |
| 03:42.53 | W8TVI | the backlight circut sounds iffy |
| 03:43.05 | offroadgeek | how long have you had it? |
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| 03:43.18 | W8TVI | sence July |
| 03:43.23 | offroadgeek | (you're on the board now!) |
| 03:43.23 | W8TVI | got it off ebay |
| 03:43.28 | W8TVI | :) |
| 03:43.44 | offroadgeek | I wonder if sharp would fix it? |
| 03:44.52 | W8TVI | and I fried it, got a 5500 that was ran over by a car for $10 and put the good parts togther and got one "good" 5500 |
| 03:45.48 | offroadgeek | wow... poor z has had a rough life... |
| 03:46.06 | W8TVI | I have the case and screen for a 27000000 zaurus and the main board of a 37000000 zaurus |
| 03:46.37 | offroadgeek | 27000.... and 370000.... ? |
| 03:47.05 | W8TVI | I was using a car power addapter on mine and the fuse blew and it was dead about :30 mins latter |
| 03:47.10 | W8TVI | serial number |
| 03:47.32 | offroadgeek | ahhh |
| 03:48.09 | W8TVI | I think the power surge fried the charging curcit on it |
| 03:48.34 | W8TVI | and it might have done something to the sidelight driver |
| 03:49.47 | W8TVI | maybe I should do a kismet configure howto |
| 03:51.38 | offroadgeek | have you gone into the newbie sections in the devnet boards? there are questions and answers posted all the time |
| 03:52.01 | W8TVI | no |
| 03:53.46 | W8TVI | but I"m looking right now |
| 03:54.53 | offroadgeek | you should find a couple items in there |
| 03:56.28 | offroadgeek | you decide on which name you want to keep on the ZUG? |
| 03:56.52 | W8TVI | the one it has on there |
| 03:56.58 | W8TVI | oh |
| 03:57.03 | W8TVI | W8TVI |
| 03:57.09 | offroadgeek | ok |
| 03:57.27 | W8TVI | not my zug's name... my name on the zug...lol |
| 03:57.55 | offroadgeek | all caps or not? |
| 03:58.01 | W8TVI | all caps |
| 03:58.04 | W8TVI | tnx |
| 03:58.34 | offroadgeek | ok... I deleted the old one and renamed the tuxofsteel to W8TVI... you should be able to log in with the same pass |
| 03:59.22 | W8TVI | ok, thanks. so how are the zurii going to be awarded? 5600 to the top, 5500 to the 2nd place and 5000d to the bottom? |
| 04:00.14 | offroadgeek | so far that's my idea... but one person has asked if they win the top prize, could they request the 5500... haven't decided on that |
| 04:00.48 | W8TVI | alot of people would say the 5500 is the better PDA |
| 04:00.51 | W8TVI | I would too |
| 04:01.17 | offroadgeek | me too... and I guess the top winner has the right to whatever they want... your thoughts? |
| 04:01.19 | W8TVI | the only thing about the 5600 that is really better is the battery |
| 04:01.29 | W8TVI | I think thats good |
| 04:02.02 | W8TVI | 5600 be top prize unless they would rather have the 5500 :) |
| 04:03.17 | offroadgeek | maybe I'll put up a polll for people to vote on.... |
| 04:03.36 | W8TVI | that sounds good |
| 04:03.52 | W8TVI | the the comunity deside with votes what the better one is :) |
| 04:04.08 | W8TVI | and then what ever one gets more votes be the grand prize |
| 04:04.12 | offroadgeek | I'm kinda suprised... only 7 people have entered the contest... |
| 04:04.36 | rev | what contest? |
| 04:04.38 | W8TVI | I wouldnt say that poll is about the prize is |
| 04:05.13 | W8TVI | I think I might be about to do more than 7 witeups... |
| 04:05.22 | W8TVI | but I dont know about doing 22! |
| 04:05.47 | W8TVI | or so |
| 04:06.09 | offroadgeek | why don't you rev? |
| 04:06.15 | rev | offroadgeek: what is the contest? url? |
| 04:06.32 | offroadgeek | www.zaurususergroup.com |
| 04:07.01 | offroadgeek | its the 6th article down the center' |
| 04:07.41 | rev | ah cool |
| 04:07.50 | rev | how many entries have there been for far? |
| 04:07.58 | rev | i know a couple i could write :D |
| 04:08.20 | W8TVI | offroadgeek: just howtos, or anything in the wiki? like in 5x00_GeneralInfo |
| 04:08.46 | rev | how, that new zaurus looks slick |
| 04:10.23 | W8TVI | rev: I want one! |
| 04:10.24 | offroadgeek | sorry... steped away for a sec |
| 04:10.33 | rev | np offie |
| 04:10.35 | rev | W8TVI: heh |
| 04:10.56 | offroadgeek | rev... there have been quite a few entries.. haven't tallied them up yet... |
| 04:11.08 | rev | how many has one individual done so far? |
| 04:11.11 | offroadgeek | w8 - what do you mean by anything in the wiki? (generalinfo) |
| 04:11.27 | rev | well, i mean by entries that are required for the contest |
| 04:11.32 | W8TVI | well... |
| 04:11.33 | W8TVI | General info and docs related to the 5x00 series. |
| 04:12.06 | W8TVI | specs on it isn't really a howto... but its under your Zaurus How-To Docs wiki |
| 04:12.33 | W8TVI | I'm still going to add stuff in there, but I was wondering |
| 04:12.34 | offroadgeek | well tumnus has done the most... he has 106 points (3 points for each how-to doc and 1 point for each faq)... he's done about 7 how-tos and the rest faqs... quite a lot |
| 04:13.02 | W8TVI | heh |
| 04:13.23 | rev | damn |
| 04:13.25 | W8TVI | but does anything in the howto wiki count? |
| 04:13.29 | offroadgeek | you only need a minimum of three points (1 how-to or 3 faqs) to be entered into the drawing to win a 5500... the other 3 Zs (5600, 5500, and 5000d) will be given away to the top three submitters |
| 04:13.42 | rev | ahh, it's a drawing |
| 04:13.46 | rev | i thought it was whoever did the most won |
| 04:13.54 | offroadgeek | w8 - if you create a new wiki page (ie. new how-to doc) then you get 3 points... |
| 04:14.09 | W8TVI | ok |
| 04:14.15 | W8TVI | thats what I was wondering |
| 04:14.15 | offroadgeek | rev - kinda... but the top 3 people win... each a Zaurus... it's pretty cool! |
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| 04:15.06 | W8TVI | offroadgeek: at the end of the contest, can you post the totals for each person? |
| 04:15.21 | rev | :) |
| 04:15.29 | W8TVI | I"m just noisy :) |
| 04:16.39 | offroadgeek | I will.. most definitely... I've got a log of everything entered |
| 04:16.47 | W8TVI | cool |
| 04:17.06 | offroadgeek | this contest has kept me busy this month... won't do another one for a while ;) |
| 04:17.40 | W8TVI | heh |
| 04:18.17 | offroadgeek | though I have an idea for a smaller scale one... it's killing me to keep in inside... maybe in december |
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| 04:53.38 | W8TVI | offroadgeek: two more on the way |
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| 05:22.50 | W8TVI | night |
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| 07:12.03 | ChipX86 | hey kendrick |
| 07:12.28 | kendrick | hiya |
| 07:13.05 | ChipX86 | fun :P |
| 07:13.20 | ChipX86 | gaim/qpe-gaim devel, former freenode radio guy |
| 07:13.35 | kendrick | okay :) |
| 07:13.47 | kergoth | hey kendrick, how ya been? |
| 07:13.56 | kendrick | biiiiiiiiiiiiizy |
| 07:20.58 | kendrick | worked 13hrs today at the bookstore i've been consulting for (big emergency with order system; stupid real-time black-hole list issue *sigh*) |
| 07:21.17 | kendrick | gonna do hands-on demo & cd-give-away of tuxpaint for 4hrs on sunday |
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| 07:41.25 | kendrick | gnite |
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| 08:12.05 | blitz_pda | where can i find a package repository which I can use on my kompany.rom zaurus |
| 08:12.24 | blitz_pda | for network installs |
| 08:12.38 | yeiazel | doe that exist ? |
| 08:12.45 | yeiazel | s/doe/does/ |
| 08:13.09 | yeiazel | never heard tkc has any feed |
| 08:13.18 | blitz_pda | yah... has for a while, but I just got my zaurus on my network tonight |
| 08:15.03 | blitz_pda | oh yah... they are called feeds |
| 08:25.18 | stigger | feed for what |
| 08:25.52 | blitz_pda | for packages whick will install on my 5500 running thekompany.rom |
| 08:26.25 | stigger | most feeds apart from opie will work on tkc but there's not a considated one |
| 08:26.53 | stigger | take that back there's a sharp opie feed somwhere |
| 08:28.21 | stigger | there is the sharp one http://docs.zaurus.com/feed/ |
| 08:28.37 | stigger | but it isn't very recent |
| 08:29.55 | stigger | and the opie one is here http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/sharprom/latest/ |
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| 09:46.30 | P-Chan | How do i send over files to my zaurus in linux? I have it working where i can ping it (192.168.129.201), but now i want to send things to it...The qtopia desktop program doesnt seem to work well, may have something to do with rom upgrade? |
| 09:51.46 | ljp_ | which rom? |
| 09:54.43 | P-Chan | The latest, z3 i think its called |
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| 10:14.35 | darmou | does anyone have libmbase.so on their Z? |
| 10:33.12 | P-Chan | How do i send over files to my zaurus in linux? I have it working where i can ping it (192.168.129.201), but now i want to send things to it...The qtopia desktop program doesnt seem to work well, may have something to do with rom upgrade? |
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| 10:52.01 | P-Chan | How do i send over files to my zaurus in linux? I have it working where i can ping it (192.168.129.201), but now i want to send things to it...The qtopia desktop program doesnt seem to work well, may have something to do with rom upgrade? |
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| 10:57.28 | Twiun | P-Chan: you may try using ftp to it on port 4242 |
| 11:09.04 | madeddie | scummvm rulez!! too bad it doesn't really run too well on OZ, but having indy and DOTT in your pocket, way kewl :) |
| 11:10.34 | P-Chan | Twiun: ftp 192.168.129.201:4242 gives "connection refused" |
| 11:11.13 | madeddie | P-Chan: what rom? |
| 11:11.15 | madeddie | sharp rom? |
| 11:11.20 | P-Chan | Yes. |
| 11:11.26 | madeddie | edit /etc/inetd.conf and uncomment the ftp service |
| 11:11.30 | darmou | Does anyone have a copy of libmbase.so on their Z or know where I can get a copy? |
| 11:11.32 | madeddie | (with vi is best) |
| 11:11.45 | madeddie | then "killall -HUP inetd" on the console as well |
| 11:12.39 | madeddie | then you should be able to ftp to your zaurus, dunno if it would be 4242 or just standard 21, just test |
| 11:12.52 | madeddie | while your add it, open telnet too, it's handy |
| 11:13.10 | madeddie | or, better yet, install a ssh-server ipkg, that way you can ssh into your Z and upload files by scp |
| 11:13.26 | P-Chan | ok, thanks :) |
| 11:15.08 | madeddie | did it work? |
| 11:16.06 | P-Chan | im figuring out vi (im a pico/nano kinda person) |
| 11:18.31 | P-Chan | how do i just edit one line :/ |
| 11:27.54 | lpotter | emacs somefile |
| 11:31.51 | darmou | There is a version of emaces for the Z interesting enough |
| 11:33.30 | lpotter | there's a few theres zile and uemacs |
| 11:34.00 | P-Chan | i got it workin now ;) (vi) |
| 11:39.27 | P-Chan | What is the user/pass on the zaurus telnet?! |
| 11:39.58 | P-Chan | madeddie: I can connect, but ftp says "service unavailable", and telnet wont let me use user root? |
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| 11:48.33 | P-Chan | What is the user/pass on the zaurus telnet?! |
| 12:18.57 | P-Chan | Got the telnet user: zaurus |
| 12:19.01 | P-Chan | but the ftp doesnt work? |
| 12:21.32 | Twiun | try root/rootme |
| 12:21.39 | Twiun | or root/(blank) |
| 12:27.36 | P-Chan | no, i dont get a prompt for user/pass for the ftp |
| 12:27.47 | P-Chan | it just times out after a while with "service unavailable" |
| 12:31.35 | Twiun | ok, that means the ftp server is denying access |
| 12:31.44 | Twiun | what is your desktop's IP address on the USB network? |
| 12:40.50 | Twiun | P-Chan: iirc desktop PC needs to be on 192.168.129.1 |
| 12:42.35 | P-Chan | em |
| 12:42.41 | P-Chan | ill double check |
| 12:43.11 | P-Chan | its 192.168.129.1 according to ifconfig |
| 12:44.06 | P-Chan | what if i use the inetd.conf ftp' that doesnt use tcp wrapper, would that help maybe? |
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| 12:44.35 | Twiun | I'm not sure it would - but sure, give it a try |
| 12:45.03 | Twiun | also look in the security settings panel on the zaurus - there might be a section for restricting access |
| 12:45.50 | P-Chan | ok, ill check the z first |
| 12:48.05 | P-Chan | security tab just has info for setting the passcode? |
| 12:51.58 | Twiun | Ah. I must have been thinking of the OpenZaurus security applet |
| 12:52.31 | Twiun | Have you searched on zaurus.com/dev/board for this? |
| 13:03.59 | P-Chan | im looking there as we speak :) |
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| 13:07.21 | P-Chan | > |
| 13:07.22 | P-Chan | ? |
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| 13:21.00 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> hey! |
| 13:21.04 | gerrynjr | please don't tell me you expect to exceed 67... |
| 13:21.06 | gerrynjr | please |
| 13:22.03 | P-Chan | apparently they took away ftp, and use samba now?! |
| 13:22.21 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> ping? |
| 13:24.21 | MG_Tak | 67? |
| 13:25.54 | gerrynjr | MG_Tak> nvm :-S |
| 13:25.56 | gerrynjr | D |
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| 16:11.14 | treke|home | sx/win 12 |
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| 16:21.38 | Luke-Jr | hey |
| 16:21.44 | Luke-Jr | who else here has bought from Brando? |
| 16:24.02 | Disconnect | ordered it (all times eastern) around 11/midnight sat night, received it tuesday morning at 9am.. |
| 16:25.02 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: did you get a bunch of stupid things to fill out from FedEx? |
| 16:26.07 | Disconnect | nope. eventually (week later) I got a customs declaration that said I owed nothing, have a nice day.. |
| 16:26.12 | Disconnect | define 'stupid things' |
| 16:27.47 | Luke-Jr | forms |
| 16:28.08 | Disconnect | well that I figured, since you don't generally fill out, say, bricks or cats. |
| 16:28.26 | Luke-Jr | customs garbage =p |
| 16:28.30 | Disconnect | depending on what they are, you probably need to submit them to get it into the country. |
| 16:28.36 | Luke-Jr | I don't really know anything more specific |
| 16:28.49 | Luke-Jr | as I didn't read them |
| 16:29.01 | treke|home | Read them |
| 16:29.08 | Luke-Jr | y |
| 16:29.16 | treke|home | why |
| 16:29.17 | treke|home | ? |
| 16:29.19 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: because chances are, otherwise you won't get your kit. |
| 16:29.42 | Luke-Jr | kit? |
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| 16:29.48 | Disconnect | gear. stuff. |
| 16:30.25 | treke|home | Luke-Jr: Ah, your getting the notice telling you whether or not you have to send the US more money |
| 16:30.26 | Disconnect | in any case.. read it .. worst case is you owe $20 or so in duties. best case is its the same thing I got ("you owe nothing, this is not a bill, etc" ..) but if you do owe, it can balloon quickly with fines, etc.. |
| 16:30.29 | treke|home | read it |
| 16:30.57 | Luke-Jr | and how are they going to make me pay anything? |
| 16:31.02 | Luke-Jr | they didn't even get my legal name correct |
| 16:31.06 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: the US gov't? easy. |
| 16:31.12 | treke|home | Luke-Jr: They will tell you to pay or go to jail. |
| 16:31.25 | treke|home | Luke-Jr: Not a good around to fuck around like things like this |
| 16:31.47 | Disconnect | treke|home: if he wants to screw around with it, let him. maybe he's lucky and its the 'no additional duties owed' forms. maybe he's not and one day he'll stop logging on because he can't afford it anymore.. |
| 16:31.49 | Disconnect | (or worse ;) ..) |
| 16:32.13 | Luke-Jr | How are they going to find me? =p |
| 16:32.26 | Luke-Jr | w/o the correct name and address |
| 16:32.26 | treke|home | Hey, it's your life |
| 16:32.37 | treke|home | Luke-Jr: They obviously found you to send you the bill |
| 16:32.44 | Luke-Jr | treke: I'm moving. |
| 16:32.52 | Disconnect | "Gee, I know you sent a tax bill but the name was wrong so I didn't send any money. Thats ok, right?" |
| 16:33.14 | W8TVI|z | luke-jr: dont be a moron |
| 16:33.19 | Disconnect | (yes, duties are in fact taxes. so you get homeland security, customs, AND the irs after you. its certainly an =exciting= way to live..) |
| 16:33.34 | W8TVI|z | if they want to fine you, they can. |
| 16:34.29 | W8TVI|z | it doesnt matter if you move of if your name is miss-spelled |
| 16:34.35 | Luke-Jr | Duty $2; Tax $0 |
| 16:34.49 | treke|home | So send them the two dollars and be done with it |
| 16:34.55 | Luke-Jr | Other $25 |
| 16:35.21 | Disconnect | other is prolly fedex fees since they paid it already. its worth calling them to see if it can be reduced/eliminated. |
| 16:36.57 | W8TVI|z | no its still your problem |
| 16:37.16 | W8TVI|z | did you sign for the pakage? |
| 16:37.17 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: you told them to bring it into the country. |
| 16:37.43 | treke|home | You probably did tell them, and just didnt read what you signed. |
| 16:38.44 | Luke-Jr | The idiot guy went up to the door, put a "you were away" thing on it and was about to leave w/o even ringing the doorbell or knocking. |
| 16:39.48 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: try international with ups some time.. |
| 16:39.57 | Disconnect | anyway, I've got to go rehack my tivo. bbl. |
| 16:39.59 | Luke-Jr | ? |
| 16:40.30 | Luke-Jr | even worse or actually decent? @.@ |
| 16:40.40 | treke|home | ups decent? |
| 16:40.40 | treke|home | ha |
| 16:41.13 | Luke-Jr | shrug... doubt I'll need to import ever again anyway. |
| 16:41.17 | Disconnect | hint: fed-ex got my Z across the world (HK -> DC) in 1 hour more than it takes my housemate to fly back from the phillipines. thats -fast-. |
| 16:42.01 | treke|home | UPS... it rhymes with oops :p |
| 16:42.32 | Disconnect | yah. we shipped a bunch of crap (turned out it was under 50 miles) from compaq via ups once. big servers, 4' tall boxes, etc. 80% of them looked like someone had gotten pissed and kicked it in. |
| 16:42.45 | Disconnect | (might explain the 25% failure rate, too, but that might just have been compaq) |
| 16:42.55 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: I said 'might be' .. call and find out. |
| 16:43.23 | Luke-Jr | Calling would probably just confirm I got it... |
| 16:43.32 | treke|home | So? |
| 16:43.45 | Luke-Jr | So right now they have no way of knowing it arrived |
| 16:43.45 | treke|home | It's 27 fucking dollars. You agreed to pay it. |
| 16:44.23 | Disconnect | sure they do. "the post office lost it" is a crappy excuse. |
| 16:44.33 | treke|home | Go read the stuff you signed when you got the c760 |
| 16:44.45 | Luke-Jr | treke: I didn't sign any documents |
| 16:44.50 | gerrynjr | http://glenn.sanson.free.fr/fb/index.html |
| 16:44.52 | treke|home | I don't buy that |
| 16:44.54 | gerrynjr | fb on java! |
| 16:44.58 | Luke-Jr | I only signed on a device |
| 16:45.07 | Luke-Jr | and never was shown anything I was agreeing to |
| 16:45.17 | Luke-Jr | or no... it was a notepad, not a device @.@ |
| 16:45.32 | treke|home | Oh well. It's your ass. Do what you want. |
| 16:45.34 | Luke-Jr | but there was no text |
| 16:45.50 | gerrynjr | frozen bubble for java.. |
| 16:45.55 | Luke-Jr | gerrynjr: @.@ |
| 16:45.57 | gerrynjr | that could mean that if it doesn't use swing... |
| 16:46.03 | gerrynjr | we could have a Z port |
| 16:46.56 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: at least then you have the option to either pay $1.99+tax or not buy it |
| 16:47.06 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: FedEx never asked me about the $2 |
| 16:48.06 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: you accepted delivery. that means you agreed to the duties, etc. if you don't want to pay it your options are the same - don't buy it. |
| 16:48.48 | Luke-Jr | You can't make someone agree to something without prior notifying them that they would be agreeing to it. |
| 16:49.27 | Luke-Jr | Prior to receiving the pkg, I never saw a single document from FedEx. |
| 16:50.13 | Luke-Jr | They can't say after the fact "Oh, BTW, you agreed to a bunch of terms when you did that" |
| 16:50.47 | treke|home | When you ordered it, you agreed to pay for the customs duties |
| 16:50.55 | treke|home | and fees and taxes |
| 16:51.03 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 16:51.07 | Luke-Jr | All I did was email Brando |
| 16:51.15 | treke|home | Luke-Jr: By importing it you agreed, |
| 16:51.19 | Luke-Jr | and wire the money to him |
| 16:51.41 | Luke-Jr | 1. I was never told it would be agreeing, so they cannot say I agreed to it. |
| 16:52.07 | treke|home | Luke-Jr: You didn't need to be told. The very act of importing it was your agreement |
| 16:52.16 | Luke-Jr | 2. Even if it were to be agreeing merely by importing, it would not include FedEx's added $25 |
| 16:52.29 | treke|home | It is your responsibility to know the issues related to importing from another country |
| 16:52.36 | treke|home | You are assuming fedex added 25 dollars |
| 16:52.46 | Luke-Jr | treke: You need to be told that doing something is an agreement before then can hold you to it. |
| 16:52.48 | treke|home | and not that the US Customs service added 25 dollars under other |
| 16:53.09 | treke|home | Luke-Jr: Not in this case. You can be held responsible for a law that you do not know about. |
| 16:53.11 | Luke-Jr | Other isn't descriptive enough anyhow |
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| 16:53.33 | MaRk-UsE | hi all |
| 16:54.32 | treke|home | Luke-Jr: They could have not given you the c760 at all and you'd be fucked |
| 16:54.53 | Luke-Jr | treke: True, but they didn't =p |
| 16:55.08 | MaRk-UsE | yesterday my Z made sound, I thought it has no speaker? |
| 16:55.10 | Luke-Jr | They sure did make it hard to get it tho |
| 16:55.17 | Luke-Jr | MaRk-UsE: mine does... |
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| 16:55.27 | MaRk-UsE | it only does yesterday |
| 16:55.29 | MaRk-UsE | :-) |
| 16:55.35 | MaRk-UsE | what have I 2 do? |
| 16:55.43 | MaRk-UsE | tell the hints :_) |
| 16:55.58 | Luke-Jr | MaRk-UsE: destroy FedEx? |
| 16:56.18 | MaRk-UsE | hrhr, U think it's a hardware reason? |
| 16:56.37 | treke|home | Oh well. Feel free to ignore the the notice if you want |
| 16:57.07 | gerrynjr | http://glenn.sanson.free.fr/fb/frozenBubble.jar |
| 16:57.16 | gerrynjr | try and run that on the Z |
| 16:57.45 | MaRk-UsE | nice gae |
| 16:57.54 | MaRk-UsE | s/gae/game/ |
| 16:58.01 | Luke-Jr | gerrynjr: email me the URI and I will :) |
| 16:58.29 | MaRk-UsE | I decided to install the 52-12 OpenZaurus kernel, was that a bad idee? |
| 16:59.23 | MaRk-UsE | I tought it is better 2 have more ram, because I have a 128MB sd-card |
| 16:59.39 | MaRk-UsE | but now I think this damn sd-card is 2 slow |
| 16:59.55 | gerrynjr | Luke-Jr> sent |
| 17:00.07 | Luke-Jr | gerrynjr: cool |
| 17:00.17 | MaRk-UsE | there are cards with 10MB/s, is it intelligent to put the rootfs on sd? |
| 17:00.59 | Luke-Jr | MaRk-UsE: *suggest #openzaurus* |
| 17:01.05 | MaRk-UsE | k |
| 17:01.17 | Luke-Jr | maybe someone there know |
| 17:02.01 | MaRk-UsE | what os do u have? |
| 17:03.10 | Luke-Jr | Sharp |
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| 17:05.22 | gerrynjr | Luke-Jr> you trying it? |
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| 17:05.43 | Luke-Jr | gerrynjr: soon... any hurry? |
| 17:08.11 | gerrynjr | well, i'm anxious |
| 17:08.23 | gerrynjr | http://bigbugsite.free.fr/frozen/howto.html |
| 17:08.25 | gerrynjr | see that |
| 17:11.12 | gerrynjr | the yopy has beat us |
| 17:14.52 | Luke-Jr | hopefully the JAR works |
| 17:14.54 | Luke-Jr | I lack 12 MB free |
| 17:15.13 | gerrynjr | no!!!!! |
| 17:15.19 | Luke-Jr | ... |
| 17:15.35 | Luke-Jr | how does one run jars? |
| 17:15.43 | gerrynjr | java -jar? |
| 17:15.48 | gerrynjr | it's an applet... |
| 17:15.54 | Luke-Jr | only app starting w/ j is jobs |
| 17:16.13 | gerrynjr | Luke-Jr> how do you start the Z's jvm? |
| 17:16.24 | Luke-Jr | no clue |
| 17:19.35 | gerrynjr | evm -classpath xyz.jar KillerApp |
| 17:19.45 | gerrynjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.45 | gerrynjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.52 | gerrynjr | main class, I think is FrozenBubble |
| 17:20.16 | gerrynjr | er.. no |
| 17:21.12 | gerrynjr | I forgot.. applets do not have a main |
| 17:22.02 | Luke-Jr | /home/QtPalmtop/j2me/bin/cvm: No such file or directory |
| 17:22.30 | gerrynjr | evm! |
| 17:22.40 | Luke-Jr | yep |
| 17:22.42 | Luke-Jr | that's what it says |
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| 17:23.38 | Luke-Jr | bet I broke it somehow |
| 17:24.16 | treke|home | Dont you need to install evm seperatly? |
| 17:24.33 | Luke-Jr | ? |
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| 17:25.04 | Luke-Jr | the evm comamnd exists, but it errors |
| 17:25.04 | P-Chan | i just got my Z going again, any tips as to what i should get/do first? |
| 17:26.31 | P-Chan | Where do i get java for it? I cant start any java programs |
| 17:27.59 | treke|home | It comes with java |
| 17:28.11 | MaRk-UsE | hmmm, where can I get free non-commercial-software 4 the Z? |
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| 17:29.33 | Luke-Jr | treke: command? |
| 17:30.08 | Luke-Jr | j<tab> == jobs |
| 17:30.27 | gerrynjr | Luke-Jr> your going to need 'appletviewer' |
| 17:30.41 | Luke-Jr | ? |
| 17:30.47 | gerrynjr | try appletviewer |
| 17:31.10 | Luke-Jr | not on my Z |
| 17:32.28 | gerrynjr | >You can pass a simple local HTML file that references a local applet jar or |
| 17:32.29 | gerrynjr | >class to the Jeode JVM at the command line (evm), but of course the applet |
| 17:32.29 | gerrynjr | >must only use the features in the PersonalJava spec. |
| 17:32.46 | gerrynjr | hmm, probably won't run |
| 17:32.49 | gerrynjr | but.. will be interesting |
| 17:32.58 | Luke-Jr | gerrynjr: install BOCHS? |
| 17:33.18 | Luke-Jr | =p |
| 17:33.30 | gerrynjr | $QPEDIR/bin/evm -appletviewer myHtmlpage.html |
| 17:33.54 | gerrynjr | wget http://glenn.sanson.free.fr/fb/play.html for html page |
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| 17:34.26 | treke|home | Luke-Jr: I don't know what the command is, I just know java is on there out of the box |
| 17:34.38 | gerrynjr | W8TVI_> we may have frozenbubble for the Z! |
| 17:34.45 | gerrynjr | do you have evm on your Z? |
| 17:34.47 | W8TVI_ | really? |
| 17:34.51 | W8TVI_ | evm? |
| 17:34.52 | Luke-Jr | treke: I think jeodcreator nuked it ;.; |
| 17:35.01 | gerrynjr | the zaurus java virtual machine |
| 17:35.07 | W8TVI_ | oh, nope |
| 17:35.12 | gerrynjr | install that |
| 17:35.34 | Luke-Jr | gerrynjr: evm == BASH script |
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| 20:57.47 | gerrynjr | well.. looks like I won't be winning that contest after all |
| 20:57.59 | gerrynjr | de sites being slashdotted a week before the end of it |
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| 21:28.21 | gerrynjr | ChipX86> they've slashdotted zaurususergroup! |
| 21:28.27 | gerrynjr | now i'll never win a Z! |
| 21:28.38 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 21:28.41 | ChipX86 | I noticed |
| 21:28.56 | gerrynjr | :-( |
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| 22:41.11 | oGMo | man, if that 6000 isn't a hoax it sure sounds tasty |
| 22:43.54 | W8TVI | heh |
| 22:44.03 | masticator | its real. |
| 22:44.04 | W8TVI | its real |
| 22:44.07 | oGMo | rock. |
| 22:44.08 | masticator | I've known about it for a year |
| 22:44.14 | oGMo | it's like... all the stuff we wanted on the 5500 :) |
| 22:44.18 | W8TVI | and I want one! |
| 22:44.22 | masticator | yeah well the software still sucks |
| 22:44.29 | oGMo | *shrug* |
| 22:44.29 | masticator | and sharp will never open anything up |
| 22:44.32 | masticator | so it makes no difference |
| 22:44.34 | oGMo | the 3.10 software is good enough for me |
| 22:44.34 | W8TVI | that can be fixed |
| 22:44.44 | oGMo | software can be written |
| 22:44.53 | masticator | it can only be fixed if much more money is allocated to the development program |
| 22:45.02 | masticator | and if sharp supports the open source effort |
| 22:45.14 | oGMo | sharp needs to just persist and do a little hyping |
| 22:45.16 | masticator | otherwise its a complete waste of time |
| 22:45.25 | oGMo | i have yet to see many first-party PDA apps that don't usck |
| 22:45.46 | masticator | their US workforce is a fraction of wht it was a year ago |
| 22:46.05 | masticator | none of the original people who launched the 5500 are there except for 3 people |
| 22:46.13 | oGMo | hrm |
| 22:46.14 | oGMo | too bad |
| 22:46.48 | masticator | somebody else who is more resoruceful and that understands the community will eat their lunch |
| 22:46.58 | masticator | dont know who, dont know when, but thats what will happen |
| 22:47.00 | oGMo | yeah and who's that going to be ;) |
| 22:47.07 | masticator | the hardware was never the issue with sharp |
| 22:47.12 | masticator | their hardware was fantastic |
| 22:47.16 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 22:47.35 | masticator | it has to do with a critical understanding of how the open source software movement works and how to treat developers |
| 22:47.36 | oGMo | their hardware rocks, they just need to look like they're supporting it |
| 22:47.41 | oGMo | and they need to push it in the stores |
| 22:47.47 | masticator | well |
| 22:47.50 | masticator | here is the problem with stores. |
| 22:47.56 | masticator | the stores that carried the zaurus |
| 22:47.58 | masticator | were the superstores |
| 22:48.06 | masticator | staples, office depot, best buy |
| 22:48.09 | oGMo | when i got mine the guys were all like "ooh, you sure you want that, it's like Linux-based, which probably measn it's hard to use" |
| 22:48.10 | masticator | and like 2 or 3 other minor ones |
| 22:48.18 | masticator | they all got shafted on the 5500 |
| 22:48.28 | masticator | getting them to take a risk on another linux pda will be difficult |
| 22:48.37 | oGMo | but it's not a linux pda |
| 22:48.40 | masticator | so even if sharp brings the 6000 to market |
| 22:48.44 | oGMo | it's a _qtopia_ pda ;) |
| 22:48.48 | masticator | they will need distribution |
| 22:48.53 | masticator | that is a key problem |
| 22:49.13 | oGMo | well i'll probably upgrade when they do |
| 22:49.16 | masticator | 5500 had many returns |
| 22:49.22 | masticator | because the syncing software was fucked up |
| 22:49.26 | masticator | and there were usb issues |
| 22:49.28 | oGMo | masticator: there's that too |
| 22:49.39 | masticator | and there were other usability issues |
| 22:49.41 | oGMo | well, i never use it on the windows side so i don't know what's up over there |
| 22:49.42 | W8TVI | masticator, Sharp need to hire me to get the stores to take them :) |
| 22:49.59 | masticator | now, they could solve the sync issues |
| 22:50.10 | oGMo | i think the samba solution is probably the best |
| 22:50.15 | oGMo | even though i didn't like it at first |
| 22:50.18 | masticator | but if they dont fundamentally fix the way they deal with developers its still going to be a wash |
| 22:50.27 | masticator | and the superstores need to gain confidence in the product again |
| 22:50.41 | masticator | that is why the 5600 only sold to enterprise users |
| 22:50.49 | masticator | because they had no outlet to sell it in retail. |
| 22:50.56 | W8TVI | the 3.10 rom synced just fine for me |
| 22:50.57 | oGMo | they need to push it as a Qtopia thing, not as a Linux thing |
| 22:51.03 | masticator | forget it |
| 22:51.10 | masticator | qtopia has less mindshare than linux |
| 22:51.18 | masticator | at least linux is mainstream now |
| 22:51.24 | masticator | in corporate america as a server OS |
| 22:51.28 | gerrynjr | masticator> right now.. linux has a negative connotation... |
| 22:51.30 | masticator | and in embedded systems |
| 22:51.34 | masticator | not at all |
| 22:51.34 | oGMo | because most people will never touch Linux, but they don't know what Qtopia is, so it sounds mysterious and new ;) |
| 22:51.35 | gerrynjr | for users |
| 22:51.43 | oGMo | masticator: that's exactly the problem |
| 22:51.45 | masticator | linux has a very positive connotation with corporate IT |
| 22:51.47 | gerrynjr | for servers.. it has a positive name |
| 22:51.48 | oGMo | people see linux as not a desktop OS |
| 22:51.56 | oGMo | it requires a geek who knows linux |
| 22:51.59 | gerrynjr | no user wants linux (server) on a pda |
| 22:52.21 | oGMo | that's why they have to sell it as a Qtopia thing... make Qtopia the competitor to PalmOS |
| 22:52.26 | gerrynjr | they'll thikn it would require knowledge of linux or that it won't be "compatable" |
| 22:52.27 | oGMo | mention it runs linux under the hood maybe |
| 22:52.28 | masticator | well, then the PDA OS needs to be improved to the point where it is better than Palm or CE |
| 22:52.34 | oGMo | gerrynjr: yeah |
| 22:52.40 | masticator | and the only way you do that is bringing in lots and lots of developers |
| 22:52.42 | oGMo | masticator: it already is |
| 22:52.43 | masticator | you either open source it |
| 22:52.48 | W8TVI | they need o sell it as a PDA that has the stilbilty of linux. (Put Linux in your pocket!) |
| 22:52.56 | gerrynjr | masticator> which means sharp needs to adjust it's relationship w/ developers |
| 22:52.59 | masticator | or you pay a shitload of money and hire people that know what they are doing |
| 22:53.12 | masticator | of which sharp is equipped to do neither |
| 22:53.18 | oGMo | sharp just doesn't seem willing to take a chance |
| 22:53.38 | masticator | its not just a taking a chance issue |
| 22:53.42 | gerrynjr | seems to me though.. that marketing is where the Z fell short |
| 22:53.43 | oGMo | yes it is |
| 22:53.44 | masticator | although that issue is veryh big. |
| 22:53.57 | masticator | ogmo, trust me, I know these guys. |
| 22:53.58 | oGMo | they aren't putting money, time, or people into it |
| 22:54.05 | W8TVI | how stable is windows CE? |
| 22:54.12 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> not very.... |
| 22:54.12 | masticator | pocketpc? quite stable |
| 22:54.19 | oGMo | they're not taking a chance that it could sell big or die horribly |
| 22:54.24 | masticator | is it a great OS? no |
| 22:54.24 | gerrynjr | W8TVI> i've still managed to crash it |
| 22:54.45 | masticator | well, their original plan was to get IBM to bring it into the back door of companies |
| 22:54.51 | masticator | as of yet, that has not happened |
| 22:55.02 | oGMo | it's too expensive to sell to companies |
| 22:55.04 | gerrynjr | masticator> lmao... IBM.. pushes it's own agenda |
| 22:55.10 | masticator | if IBM latches onto the 6000 and really supports it with lots of software, it may give the zaurus a second wind |
| 22:55.15 | gerrynjr | the only reason it's behind linux.. |
| 22:55.17 | oGMo | if they were selling 5500's for $99 it'd be one thing |
| 22:55.17 | masticator | but I dont think thats going to happen |
| 22:55.20 | gerrynjr | is b/c linux fits it's model... |
| 22:55.37 | oGMo | like, if you could get 10 Z's for $1000, that'd make a killer vertical platform |
| 22:55.39 | gerrynjr | in a few (5-10) it will be something different |
| 22:55.41 | gerrynjr | years thazt is |
| 22:55.51 | oGMo | i've tried to sell it to a few people that way, but at $299 it's just too much |
| 22:55.56 | masticator | the 6000 is too little too late |
| 22:56.04 | oGMo | masticator: er |
| 22:56.05 | oGMo | hardly |
| 22:56.05 | gerrynjr | masticator> depending on the price... |
| 22:56.08 | masticator | the new HP 4350 is a better device |
| 22:56.09 | oGMo | compared to everything else ;) |
| 22:56.13 | masticator | and it will be cheaper |
| 22:56.19 | gerrynjr | and.. it looks like it will be in the range of the CL series |
| 22:56.25 | oGMo | if it runs WinCE it's irrelevant |
| 22:56.28 | gerrynjr | possibly more |
| 22:56.32 | gerrynjr | ie.. 599 |
| 22:56.37 | masticator | the only thing that the 6000 has over the hp is the VGA screen |
| 22:56.39 | oGMo | gerrynjr: for the 6000? |
| 22:56.46 | gerrynjr | oGMo> that's my guess |
| 22:56.47 | masticator | and toshiba has a vga screen on their new unit too |
| 22:56.51 | oGMo | perhaps |
| 22:56.57 | oGMo | i guess we'll see |
| 22:57.02 | gerrynjr | @ 599, it's out of my range... |
| 22:57.35 | gerrynjr | masticator> who pushes the VGA screens initially? |
| 22:57.38 | masticator | the only way you can succeed with a linux based PDA platform is to totally open it up |
| 22:57.44 | masticator | any other strategy is pointless |
| 22:57.49 | gerrynjr | masticator> I think it's competition in the japanese tech market |
| 22:58.09 | masticator | traditional PDAs are going to be dead anyways |
| 22:58.22 | masticator | only digital convergence devices will really matter here on |
| 22:58.25 | gerrynjr | masticator> I dunno, I like the idea of a complete linux system in my pocket |
| 22:58.33 | oGMo | masticator: oh bah |
| 22:58.40 | masticator | but not many people want that |
| 22:58.45 | gerrynjr | well, I do |
| 22:58.50 | gerrynjr | I just can't afford one |
| 22:58.53 | masticator | sure some IT and nerds want it |
| 22:58.55 | masticator | I want it |
| 22:58.57 | masticator | you want it |
| 22:59.06 | W8TVI | Stability, Securty, Open Source! |
| 22:59.08 | masticator | but 90 percent of the people looking for a PDA dont want it |
| 22:59.10 | oGMo | no one wants a cellphone/pda/everythingelse |
| 22:59.16 | masticator | I do |
| 22:59.18 | gerrynjr | I hate the combo devices |
| 22:59.23 | oGMo | well you're just you |
| 22:59.25 | W8TVI | me too |
| 22:59.26 | gerrynjr | I don't want a cell, never did, never will |
| 22:59.26 | masticator | I dotn want to carry 3 different things |
| 22:59.38 | oGMo | gerrynjr: well |
| 22:59.44 | oGMo | i have a cell, and a z, and a gba sp |
| 22:59.49 | oGMo | and a slimx |
| 22:59.52 | W8TVI | I like my seprate cell |
| 22:59.57 | oGMo | W8TVI: same here |
| 23:00.01 | masticator | all of the latest marketing studies and trends in the mobile device industry point towards integration |
| 23:00.06 | W8TVI | I have a cell, Sony PDA, and my zaurus |
| 23:00.09 | oGMo | who the hell can talk on a cell and look up things on their pda on a convergence device :) |
| 23:00.22 | gerrynjr | well.. the two sep. devices I have are a ti-83 and possibly a Z |
| 23:00.27 | W8TVI | blue tooht |
| 23:00.29 | W8TVI | tooth |
| 23:00.31 | masticator | ogmo the Danger Mobile device works great for that |
| 23:00.37 | masticator | you can browse and talk at the same time |
| 23:00.40 | masticator | using a headset |
| 23:00.42 | gerrynjr | gimmie a linux pda w/ the ti stuff... |
| 23:00.44 | oGMo | masticator: meh. |
| 23:00.45 | gerrynjr | and then i'll be happy |
| 23:00.48 | masticator | and forget about bluetooth, its dead |
| 23:00.56 | oGMo | masticator: you're so full of crap :) |
| 23:01.10 | W8TVI | well I dont see wifi wireless headsets |
| 23:01.11 | masticator | the only practical application of bluetooth right now is in wireless headsets |
| 23:01.16 | oGMo | bluetooth is just not this month's hot topic, that doesn't mean it's dead |
| 23:01.27 | oGMo | right now is irrelevant |
| 23:01.31 | masticator | nothing has transpired in the 3 years its been out |
| 23:01.36 | masticator | excuse me, 4 years |
| 23:01.50 | oGMo | right now is always yesterday by tomorrow |
| 23:01.51 | oGMo | ;) |
| 23:02.07 | oGMo | yeah and nothing happened with PDAs until Palm got there |
| 23:02.13 | W8TVI | bluetooth is a good shortrange serial calbe replacement |
| 23:02.19 | masticator | you dont need friggin bluetooth if you have a convergence device with a phone, GSM and and integrated 802.11 |
| 23:02.24 | oGMo | nothing happened with cdrom consoles til Sony got there |
| 23:02.26 | oGMo | yadda |
| 23:02.42 | oGMo | masticator: except no one but you wants a convergence device |
| 23:03.02 | W8TVI | I dont want one eather |
| 23:03.07 | oGMo | battery eaters |
| 23:03.21 | oGMo | a laptop is already a convergence device |
| 23:03.27 | W8TVI | if your PDA breaks, you cell phone is gone |
| 23:03.35 | treke|home | so? |
| 23:03.48 | treke|home | And if your PDA breaks your PDA is gone. |
| 23:03.49 | oGMo | yet people carry individual units because they're smaller, custom-form to their job, and can be mixed and matched |
| 23:04.07 | treke|home | and more easily available |
| 23:04.08 | W8TVI | if everyone wants a all in one, where are they? I have only seen 2 in the last few years |
| 23:04.30 | oGMo | all-in-one devices suck because they're mediocre at everything they do |
| 23:04.34 | treke|home | W8TVI: They are trying to figure out how to make them. |
| 23:04.35 | masticator | w8 the handspring treo 600 |
| 23:04.40 | W8TVI | and why would anyone want to hold a brick to their heads? |
| 23:04.45 | masticator | the danger sidekick |
| 23:04.49 | masticator | several others coming out |
| 23:04.51 | masticator | samsung |
| 23:05.02 | masticator | O2 XDA 2 |
| 23:05.05 | W8TVI | all the all in ones I have seen are bricks |
| 23:05.11 | masticator | not the new ones |
| 23:05.18 | masticator | now that they have consolidated chipsets |
| 23:05.23 | oGMo | in fact, i want more modularity |
| 23:05.42 | treke|home | most people don't like carrying lots of crap around |
| 23:05.44 | oGMo | i want a generic portable cdrom that can be used by an mp3 player |
| 23:05.47 | treke|home | Which is why sao many people don' |
| 23:05.48 | oGMo | or by my PDA |
| 23:05.49 | oGMo | etc. |
| 23:05.56 | treke|home | Which is why sao many people don't use PDAs at all |
| 23:06.08 | oGMo | treke|home: well, the price point for PDAs is usually a killer too |
| 23:06.15 | oGMo | also, the need isn't there for most people yet |
| 23:07.11 | oGMo | people typically have a need for a narrower range of functionality (phone, game device) and go for the best-in-class there... people who _really_ need PIM stuff aren't all that common |
| 23:07.44 | oGMo | people who are on the go, need PIM apps, and can't take a laptop everywhere... much narrower range than you might expect |
| 23:08.52 | gerrynjr | oGMo> I see the pda as a portable system... |
| 23:08.54 | oGMo | however getting back on topic... i want a SL-6000 |
| 23:08.55 | oGMo | ;) |
| 23:08.58 | gerrynjr | smaller than alaptop... |
| 23:09.00 | oGMo | gerrynjr: i do too |
| 23:09.05 | gerrynjr | that's why I want one |
| 23:09.10 | gerrynjr | I don't need a laptop |
| 23:09.17 | gerrynjr | pda on the other hand... |
| 23:09.18 | treke|home | and significantly less useful than a laptop |
| 23:09.22 | oGMo | but then i'm a programmer who is either by his workstation or on the go and doesn't want to take a laptop |
| 23:09.33 | oGMo | (i've got a small vaio too) |
| 23:09.38 | gerrynjr | oGMo> i'm a student on the go that doesn't want to lug a lappy |
| 23:09.53 | oGMo | laptop was great in class, but now that i run around, it's a bigger burden |
| 23:09.59 | oGMo | gerrynjr: ah |
| 23:10.15 | oGMo | gerrynjr: i just got a really small laptop, but yeah. |
| 23:10.17 | gerrynjr | oGMo> a color.. networked, linux pda would work great |
| 23:10.29 | oGMo | gerrynjr: with a keyboard ;) |
| 23:10.33 | gerrynjr | yeah.. |
| 23:10.38 | gerrynjr | can't forge the keyboard |
| 23:10.41 | gerrynjr | foget |
| 23:10.42 | oGMo | the keyboard is what makes the zaurus stand out |
| 23:10.49 | W8TVI | yep |
| 23:10.53 | gerrynjr | i really don't like the yopy |
| 23:11.04 | gerrynjr | it looks too small.. and cramped |
| 23:11.11 | gerrynjr | and the ui is just X |
| 23:11.16 | oGMo | it's not sexy like the Z |
| 23:11.21 | gerrynjr | well. w/ what looks like icewm |
| 23:11.26 | gerrynjr | I don't like it... |
| 23:11.47 | gerrynjr | heck.. I don't have a Z, wthy am I here? |
| 23:11.48 | gerrynjr | lmao |
| 23:12.08 | oGMo | gerrynjr: you don't? ;) |
| 23:12.09 | oGMo | heh |
| 23:12.18 | oGMo | you'd probably like one |
| 23:12.30 | gerrynjr | yeah... |
| 23:12.41 | oGMo | my only real gripe would be battery life could be longer, but i don't think they make batteries that long yet |
| 23:12.42 | gerrynjr | I was hoping to win a contest by submitting some howtos and faqs |
| 23:12.45 | gerrynjr | but... |
| 23:12.53 | gerrynjr | it's been slashdotted.. |
| 23:13.05 | gerrynjr | and now all possible candidates that know about the Z and want one now know |
| 23:13.12 | gerrynjr | about the contest |
| 23:13.19 | oGMo | 3 hours vs 5 hours isn't that big... i'd like something that i can have on with backlight for like 3 days solid without needing a charge |
| 23:13.31 | gerrynjr | and I still get a connection refused |
| 23:13.42 | gerrynjr | 3 vs. 5? |
| 23:13.47 | oGMo | gerrynjr: if you keep trying you can get through sometimes |
| 23:20.00 | offroadgeek | damn... thats what did it |
| 23:20.25 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> yepp |
| 23:20.29 | gerrynjr | i'd send more in.. |
| 23:20.33 | gerrynjr | but it's completely down |
| 23:20.57 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> curious.. how do the points look after updating? |
| 23:21.03 | gerrynjr | (seeing I can't see them on the site) |
| 23:21.10 | offroadgeek | you can still email faqs in... just hold onto the howtos for now |
| 23:21.51 | offroadgeek | I havent updated them yet... I took a nap and woke up to the site down... |
| 23:22.27 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> well, I wanted to double check it wasn't on the site first... |
| 23:22.34 | offroadgeek | damn hosting provider said that I have php/script errors causing the whole server to overload.... and its just the slashdot |
| 23:22.40 | oGMo | well, bbl |
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| 23:22.50 | gerrynjr | lmao |
| 23:22.53 | offroadgeek | i need to change hosting providers... this sucks |
| 23:23.05 | offroadgeek | cant even handle a slahdot |
| 23:23.06 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> but.. is the contest still on? |
| 23:23.50 | offroadgeek | of course it is... the site is just disabled right now (god damn support assholes... telling me to wait until monday!) |
| 23:24.06 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> monday? |
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| 23:24.18 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> hmmm |
| 23:24.23 | gerrynjr | that sucks |
| 23:24.26 | kaplanfx | is there a samba client for the 5500? |
| 23:24.34 | offroadgeek | totally |
| 23:24.34 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> whose the bastard that sent it to slashdot? |
| 23:24.39 | kaplanfx | I'd like to be able to stream mp3's off my desktop |
| 23:24.54 | kaplanfx | when I'm on the wifi network |
| 23:25.06 | offroadgeek | its not him... I'm glad he did... its the hosting site thats the problem |
| 23:25.08 | kaplanfx | you talking about the 6000 article? |
| 23:25.15 | gerrynjr | yeppo |
| 23:25.19 | kaplanfx | still down hrm, I want to read that |
| 23:28.23 | offroadgeek | yeah... i want the whole damn site to be up... this really pisses me off.... probably some jackass manning the dreamhost servers... saw lots of traffic and got scared... SHUT THEM DOWN... SHUT THEM ALL DOWN!!! |
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| 23:29.42 | gerrynjr | wtf? |
| 23:29.44 | gerrynjr | bastards |
| 23:29.55 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> hmm, so you can still receive emails? |
| 23:30.05 | offroadgeek | i will hunt them down... one and all! |
| 23:30.20 | offroadgeek | yup.. emails not down.. just http |
| 23:30.53 | gerrynjr | what's the email again? |
| 23:31.08 | offroadgeek | I knew I should have rsynced the zug site to my 760 last night... |
| 23:31.11 | kaplanfx | so hey, what about a samba client for the zaurus? |
| 23:31.23 | offroadgeek | docs@zaurususergroup.com |
| 23:31.42 | offroadgeek | kap - I believe the 3.10 rom comes with samba already enabled... |
| 23:31.53 | kaplanfx | hrm |
| 23:31.56 | kaplanfx | how do I use it? |
| 23:32.38 | offroadgeek | now thats a god question... I havent used samba yet on my z... you familiar with samba on a regular linux box p? |
| 23:32.48 | kaplanfx | vaguely |
| 23:33.01 | kaplanfx | I need to mount a dir using smb.conf yeah? |
| 23:33.05 | offroadgeek | same concept |
| 23:33.21 | kaplanfx | ok, I'll have a look at the manpage |
| 23:33.54 | kaplanfx | on my linux box I just use konqueror to connect to samba shares so I have never really dealt with it |
| 23:34.20 | kaplanfx | maybe I need to write a little samba browser for this thing |
| 23:34.37 | kaplanfx | I'm just learning c and the unix programming interface now |
| 23:34.42 | offroadgeek | that would be cool |
| 23:34.48 | kaplanfx | yeah |
| 23:34.55 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> just sent |
| 23:35.16 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> ::crosses fingers:: I sure hope i'm in second place for friday |
| 23:35.42 | offroadgeek | cool! |
| 23:35.44 | gerrynjr | this slashdot will probably bring lots of attention to the contest |
| 23:36.54 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> I saw you revised the prizes... |
| 23:37.26 | gerrynjr | 5600, 5500, and 5000D for prizes... |
| 23:37.33 | gerrynjr | and a modem and 5500 for giveaway |
| 23:38.14 | kaplanfx | hmm |
| 23:38.27 | kaplanfx | there is no smbclient command that I see |
| 23:38.39 | offroadgeek | yeah, but I dont think the slashdot will drive any contributors to the contest |
| 23:38.45 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> this is the funny thing.. if I win second place.. a friend is getting ready to buy one on ebay... |
| 23:38.55 | gerrynjr | doom fragging in class, lmao |
| 23:39.06 | gerrynjr | er... cough.. I mean ti emulation in class |
| 23:39.26 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> did you know that frozenbubble was ported to java? |
| 23:39.34 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> try it out... |
| 23:39.37 | gerrynjr | it's an applet |
| 23:39.40 | gerrynjr | .jar |
| 23:39.44 | gerrynjr | i'll get you a link |
| 23:39.48 | offroadgeek | yeah.. I saw that... pretty cool |
| 23:40.12 | gerrynjr | will it run on the Z? |
| 23:41.01 | offroadgeek | i think it depends on what version of java it was written for |
| 23:41.01 | kaplanfx | what contest? |
| 23:41.15 | gerrynjr | man.. I should keep my mouth shut |
| 23:41.21 | gerrynjr | i'm my own worst enemy |
| 23:41.39 | kaplanfx | gerrynjr: you are going to have resolution problems anyway, frozen bubble wown't go lower than 640x480 |
| 23:41.43 | kaplanfx | I think |
| 23:41.56 | gerrynjr | kaplanfx> the graphics were resized for the java pot.. |
| 23:42.02 | gerrynjr | well that.. and there was a yopy port |
| 23:42.03 | kaplanfx | ah |
| 23:42.06 | offroadgeek | then frozen bubbles will work nicely on the 760! |
| 23:42.15 | kaplanfx | I have a 5500 :( |
| 23:42.27 | gerrynjr | kaplanfx> I think it needs xwindows |
| 23:42.31 | gerrynjr | so.. theoretically |
| 23:42.35 | gerrynjr | load up zdebian... |
| 23:42.39 | gerrynjr | and try that |
| 23:42.47 | kaplanfx | yeah I am thinking about trying zdebian |
| 23:42.51 | kaplanfx | looks cool |
| 23:43.01 | gerrynjr | then.. crosscompile fb |
| 23:43.05 | gerrynjr | and it's deps |
| 23:43.08 | offroadgeek | kap - there is a documentation contest on the ZUG.. unfortunately you can read the details... though there is a snippit on the devnet boards |
| 23:43.27 | kaplanfx | well I'll check back later |
| 23:43.29 | gerrynjr | kaplanfx> HOWtos are 2 points |
| 23:43.33 | gerrynjr | faqs are 1 |
| 23:43.41 | gerrynjr | to enter the giveaway.. you need 3 submissions |
| 23:43.54 | gerrynjr | kaplanfx> anything else you need to know? |
| 23:44.02 | gerrynjr | er... |
| 23:44.06 | gerrynjr | howtos are 3 pts |
| 23:44.49 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> what would you reccomend as the best rom for the 5500? |
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| 23:45.33 | offroadgeek | it depends ... stability and reliable syncing -> tkcrom... otherwise oz all the way |
| 23:46.05 | gerrynjr | have you run doom on the Z? |
| 23:47.34 | offroadgeek | not yet |
| 23:47.37 | kaplanfx | tck is not free though huh? |
| 23:47.48 | gerrynjr | kaplanfx> the rom is |
| 23:47.51 | offroadgeek | tkc is completely free.. |
| 23:47.56 | kaplanfx | I am still using the sharp 3.1 rom |
| 23:48.10 | kaplanfx | what would switching to oz do for me? |
| 23:48.16 | offroadgeek | ahh.. you should really try tkcrom |
| 23:48.25 | treke|home | it would make you go bald |
| 23:48.48 | gerrynjr | treke|home> lmao |
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| 23:49.40 | kaplanfx | I am hesitant to switch to oz because I like opera and I do quite a bit of browsing on my z |
| 23:49.50 | NAM | hehe |
| 23:50.15 | NAM | couldn't you snag the opera executable and stuff and pack your own ROM with OZ w/ Opera? :P |
| 23:51.20 | kaplanfx | I dunno |
| 23:51.22 | kaplanfx | probably |
| 23:51.23 | kaplanfx | heh |
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| 23:51.28 | kaplanfx | offroad: |
| 23:51.29 | kaplanfx | damn |
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| 23:51.36 | NAM | :P |
| 23:51.47 | kaplanfx | offroadgeek: what are the advantages of the tkc rom |
| 23:51.48 | kaplanfx | ? |
| 23:53.29 | NAM | TKC ROM? O_o |
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| 23:53.46 | gerrynjr | wb W8TVI |
| 23:54.22 | offroadgeek | both roms are pretty, I mainly like tkc because of the networking app... you can easily switch between network connections on the fly... cant yet with oz |
| 23:54.38 | NAM | interesting |
| 23:55.02 | offroadgeek | then again, I hardly ever use my 5500, and have the cacko rom on my 760 |
| 23:55.24 | kaplanfx | cacko is the one that reserves all the flash for ram? |
| 23:55.43 | kaplanfx | I have a 256mb SD card, I have thought about doing that |
| 23:55.54 | offroadgeek | not on the 7x0... I cant remember the details of the 5x00 cacko rom |
| 23:56.15 | offroadgeek | you can now have /home on the SD with the tkcrom alpha3 |
| 23:56.55 | gerrynjr | offroadgeek> how well/poor does doom run on the Z? |
| 23:57.29 | offroadgeek | dont know... havent gotten it to run yet |
| 23:57.29 | gerrynjr | :-( |
| 23:57.32 | gerrynjr | you havn't? |
| 23:57.42 | offroadgeek | I'm hungry.. only had pringles for lunch :( |
| 23:58.07 | offroadgeek | brb... need grub |
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| 23:59.57 | offroadgeek | ahh grub |