| 00:01.13 | absentia | I /c |
| 00:07.57 | absentia | anyone know ht eurl for the latest rom dl for the c7x0 from sharp ? |
| 00:16.08 | Cheng | anyone has any idea where I could download a kismet package that installs / works on the Sharp 3.10 rom (SL-5500)? Or, tell me, how to make the available package to work... :-( |
| 00:18.05 | absentia | ah |
| 00:18.05 | absentia | ok |
| 00:18.17 | absentia | can I run the oz 2.4.6 kernel with the sharp/cacko rom? |
| 00:18.22 | absentia | if so, then yes, I'll try that. |
| 00:19.09 | absentia | grr |
| 00:19.13 | absentia | they only have 2.4.18 |
| 00:19.23 | absentia | someone has to have a 2.4.6 |
| 00:19.36 | Cheng | why would you want to go back to 2.4.6? (just wondering) |
| 00:19.45 | absentia | becauawe vnc won't work under 2.4.18 |
| 00:19.50 | absentia | it just wont |
| 00:20.02 | Cheng | ohh.. I see... hrmm fuck ! :-( |
| 00:20.03 | absentia | there is something kbdsim.o that says it was compiled against an older kernel |
| 00:20.16 | TheMasterMind1 | so recompile it |
| 00:20.17 | absentia | and nothing... I reapeat... nothing... I do seems to make it want to work |
| 00:20.25 | absentia | how? |
| 00:20.44 | absentia | I wonder if I could grab the kbdsim.o from the oz fnvbc.. |
| 00:21.21 | absentia | doesn't seem to be a fbvncserver.... |
| 00:21.43 | TheMasterMind1 | um |
| 00:21.54 | TheMasterMind1 | you can't get a kernel module compiled for 2.4.6 working under 2.4.18 |
| 00:21.56 | TheMasterMind1 | you need to recompile it |
| 00:22.05 | absentia | I know |
| 00:22.08 | absentia | but I don't have any way to compile it |
| 00:22.32 | sheenmaster | absentia: build a cross compiler, or put gcc on your zaurus |
| 00:22.33 | TheMasterMind1 | then you're stuck |
| 00:23.09 | absentia | master: yup, quite use to that with the zaurus |
| 00:24.31 | sheenmaster | It's the same for anything. Get a precompiled binary or make one. |
| 00:24.40 | absentia | yes |
| 00:24.44 | absentia | I am looking for a precompiled binary |
| 00:24.56 | absentia | hence, my questions.... inquiring... about a precompiled binary. |
| 00:24.59 | sheenmaster | why not just switch to OZ? |
| 00:25.09 | absentia | does anything work under oz ? |
| 00:25.17 | absentia | and... please... don't say fbvncserver |
| 00:25.26 | sheenmaster | fbvncserver :) |
| 00:25.34 | sheenmaster | It works fine for me. |
| 00:25.45 | sheenmaster | The hancom apps suck, but that's the same in any distro |
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| 00:25.59 | absentia | can you install ipks that are meant for sharp rom under oz ? |
| 00:26.07 | absentia | ya, I don't really use them. |
| 00:26.10 | sheenmaster | zgcc was meant for the sharp rom |
| 00:26.16 | sheenmaster | works fine |
| 00:26.21 | sheenmaster | same with jeode |
| 00:26.32 | absentia | nice |
| 00:26.46 | absentia | zgcc works under sharp rom ? |
| 00:27.04 | sheenmaster | probably not, it's a bitch to install |
| 00:27.10 | absentia | hehe |
| 00:27.34 | sheenmaster | and thanks to opie sucking, I now have every glibc header file in my documents tab |
| 00:27.59 | absentia | hahahaha |
| 00:27.59 | sheenmaster | If I ever get the time, I'm gonna build a real distro for it. |
| 00:28.10 | ljp_ | real? |
| 00:28.13 | sheenmaster | X11, OpenBox, anjuta, g++, all the good shit |
| 00:28.28 | absentia | sheen: ya, it's desperately needed |
| 00:28.29 | sheenmaster | designed for a 4gB microdrive, 512mB/sd card, and the full 64mB/ram |
| 00:28.34 | absentia | I'm just trying to get vnc to the pda section |
| 00:28.40 | absentia | I'm already going zdebian for 99% of stuff |
| 00:28.46 | fliplap | no one is forcing you to use Opie |
| 00:28.52 | absentia | I'm not. |
| 00:29.09 | sheenmaster | I know, but it's the lesser of two evils. |
| 00:29.11 | fliplap | directed at sheenmaster |
| 00:29.19 | absentia | is there a kbdsim.o under oz? could someone with oz do a find and let me nkow ? |
| 00:29.34 | fliplap | sheenmaster: um, so why not run something you don't think is evil |
| 00:30.01 | sheenmaster | I don't have the time to build it now. |
| 00:30.18 | fliplap | don't have time to build it? Install GPE, it's X11 based |
| 00:31.16 | sheenmaster | GTK based. I'd still be stuck in a "pda-like" environmentt and have even fewer of the apps I want. |
| 00:31.25 | sheenmaster | TinyX is an option |
| 00:31.47 | sheenmaster | Do you know of a GPE feed? I might as well try it out. |
| 00:32.04 | fliplap | i mean use the GPE based rom, it will install X11 quickly and give you a base system to start with |
| 00:32.23 | absentia | there's a gpq for the c7x0 ? |
| 00:32.50 | fliplap | i don't know of any GPE "feeds" for the zaurus, you'll need to install the ipk's |
| 00:33.18 | fliplap | i have Opie and GPE on my Z, i wrote some small scripts to switch between the two |
| 00:33.31 | ljp_ | I tried installing gpe on my 5000d once.. it was too ig to fit. X11 is overkill on a pda anyway, IMHO |
| 00:33.48 | fliplap | agreed |
| 00:34.19 | sheenmaster | I have 128mB free. |
| 00:34.30 | sheenmaster | X11 fit on the Agenda VR3(d) |
| 00:34.42 | sheenmaster | I don't see what the big deal is. |
| 00:34.50 | ljp_ | its not X11 that didnt fit. it's all the fiddlybits of gtk and gpe |
| 00:35.37 | sheenmaster | qte is that much smaller than gpe? |
| 00:35.40 | fliplap | i installed most stuff to my SD card |
| 00:35.49 | sheenmaster | same here |
| 00:37.31 | absentia | hmmm |
| 00:38.24 | sheenmaster | fliplap: which image are you using? http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?showtopic=6199 ? |
| 00:43.38 | fliplap | yes |
| 00:43.57 | absentia | aaaaahhhhhaa! |
| 00:44.06 | absentia | http://www.currybrothers.com/zaurus/ |
| 00:44.31 | absentia | tar xvf on the data from the ipk has a new kbdsim.o and a less on that file shows the 2.4.18 kernel |
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| 00:53.18 | absentia | kergoth: you have a sharp kernel 2.4.6 for c760 handy? |
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| 00:57.02 | absentia | anyone here know what the program tssimd does? |
| 00:58.37 | TheMasterMind1 | sigh |
| 00:58.47 | TheMasterMind1 | go read the docs and faqs on fbvnc |
| 01:02.20 | absentia | gupta... |
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| 01:24.20 | absentia | wow... vnc working. |
| 01:24.24 | absentia | I wonder what magic caused that. |
| 01:24.39 | omin0us | fairry magic |
| 01:25.47 | absentia | hey, does the zaurus have anything like the "show desktop" options on other systems... so, say, if I have a terminal up, I could do this and then see the tabs again (with icons in the large part of the screen?)? |
| 01:26.27 | ChipX86 | hit the Home key |
| 01:26.35 | absentia | hey chip |
| 01:26.39 | ChipX86 | hey |
| 01:26.59 | absentia | works like a charm! thank you |
| 01:29.21 | absentia | what's up ? |
| 01:34.16 | omin0us | hmm, anyone here have a c760? |
| 01:35.41 | absentia | yes |
| 01:36.05 | absentia | playing nethack via vnc from a browser on a pc |
| 01:36.46 | ChipX86 | absentia: keeping busy. Contemplating sleep. |
| 01:37.06 | absentia | I'm about to work through the zdebian install |
| 01:44.58 | omin0us | absentia, are they worth the money? |
| 01:45.11 | omin0us | i've been trying to save up for one for so long |
| 01:45.20 | omin0us | they just look so nice |
| 01:45.37 | absentia | what do you have ? |
| 01:47.15 | omin0us | a 5500 |
| 01:47.25 | omin0us | my parents got it for me for my 17th birthday |
| 01:47.33 | absentia | nice |
| 01:47.41 | omin0us | i love it, but i want a c760 badly |
| 01:47.46 | absentia | well, I love the keyboard and screen on the c700/c760 |
| 01:47.49 | omin0us | and there is no way they would get me that |
| 01:47.52 | absentia | I got the 760 to have more ram ... |
| 01:47.58 | omin0us | you have a c700 too? |
| 01:48.00 | absentia | I haven't used them for video ... but people seem to say it's ok |
| 01:48.05 | absentia | yes |
| 01:48.11 | omin0us | damn you |
| 01:48.12 | omin0us | lol |
| 01:48.14 | absentia | Id' say go for the 760, definitely |
| 01:48.19 | gerrynjr | wow.... |
| 01:48.20 | absentia | I can get > 3hrs with wifi and the battery |
| 01:48.22 | absentia | < 30 with the 700 |
| 01:48.26 | gerrynjr | hmm, does the doom for the z support mods? |
| 01:48.28 | omin0us | but its soo expensive |
| 01:48.31 | absentia | I have the 760 so I can work |
| 01:48.34 | omin0us | yeah |
| 01:48.36 | absentia | and I can use the 760 to flash and play |
| 01:48.42 | absentia | I got tired of flashing oz 5 times a night... |
| 01:48.48 | absentia | I couldn't work on the device and flash too |
| 01:48.53 | absentia | they are. |
| 01:48.55 | omin0us | oh |
| 01:49.00 | omin0us | are you an OZ developer? |
| 01:49.07 | absentia | I have a nice $379 ati radeon pro 9800 and no cmputer! |
| 01:49.14 | absentia | I ended up getting the zaurus instead of a computer. |
| 01:49.25 | absentia | *sigh* I hope in a few years, when I finally get a pc, that the ati will still be 'leet |
| 01:49.28 | gerrynjr | absentia> send the video card my way please |
| 01:49.32 | absentia | om: not yet. |
| 01:49.38 | ljp_ | what?! that graphics card doesn;t fit in the zaurus!? |
| 01:49.38 | absentia | treke: with vnc ? |
| 01:49.42 | omin0us | haha |
| 01:49.47 | treke|home | absentia: No with your c760 |
| 01:49.52 | absentia | ljp: I know, I got it last year, before I knew of the zaurus... |
| 01:49.59 | treke|home | If you were flashing nightly |
| 01:50.02 | absentia | I was gonna buy a pc to play games... but I ended up getting a c700 in like april |
| 01:50.11 | absentia | treke: no, that was the c700 |
| 01:50.12 | omin0us | where did you get your from |
| 01:50.15 | omin0us | dynanism? |
| 01:50.20 | absentia | the flashing was my choice... nothing wrong. |
| 01:50.29 | absentia | I just couldn't also program python on the thing, if I was constantly flashing. |
| 01:50.32 | absentia | ya |
| 01:50.37 | absentia | $817 delivered for the c760 |
| 01:50.42 | absentia | also got a friend of mine to buy one from dynamism |
| 01:50.45 | ljp_ | ouch |
| 01:50.52 | treke|home | so you should have stopped flashing |
| 01:51.08 | absentia | treke: naw, I was trying different things... and there were many new versions, etc. |
| 01:51.18 | ljp_ | thats more than I paid for this p4 2.6 gHz box w/ monitor |
| 01:51.24 | absentia | now I'm settled on cacko, sukoshi as base.. on the 760, and zdebian on the sd |
| 01:51.33 | absentia | I'll flash oz to the c700 and start getting serious. |
| 01:51.53 | absentia | ljp: yes, I need to get a decent pc... but I'm focused on the zaurus for now |
| 01:52.26 | ljp_ | does opie autorotate eith the c7x0's? |
| 01:52.34 | ljp_ | with |
| 01:52.52 | absentia | it didn't when I had oz up last. |
| 01:53.05 | absentia | (which doesn't say much) |
| 01:53.06 | treke|home | ljp_: no |
| 01:53.28 | absentia | it's neat to show people how the screen moves and then how the image rotates. |
| 01:53.31 | treke|home | ljp_: Probably ought to add it |
| 01:53.31 | ljp_ | hmm |
| 01:53.36 | absentia | other than that, I didn't miss the auto rotate. |
| 01:53.43 | treke|home | ljp_: I had a patch to do it :) |
| 01:53.46 | omin0us | absentia, if you don't have a computer how are you in this channel? |
| 01:53.49 | ljp_ | ya, I have been asked to add it to qtopia also |
| 01:53.52 | absentia | treke: there was smoething about sensing the screen orientation |
| 01:53.56 | omin0us | are you using your Z right now? |
| 01:53.57 | treke|home | omin0us: You've heard of a zaurus, right? |
| 01:53.58 | omin0us | lol |
| 01:54.07 | treke|home | absentia: I know, i wrote a utility to do that |
| 01:54.10 | ljp_ | and haavard asked for a c760 image |
| 01:54.36 | ljp_ | absentia: it generates a key code when its rotated |
| 01:54.38 | omin0us | treke: no, what is a zaurus |
| 01:54.44 | absentia | omin: 90% of my 'puters wer stolen last year... the survivors are a sun ultra 10 (off), a few Sun IPCs (also off), a free 400 mhz p2 from work and my laptop.. that i'm on now... that runs freebsd (hence, no buildroot) |
| 01:54.52 | treke|home | ljp_: http://ent.brooks.edu/~ggilbert/chkhinge.c |
| 01:54.57 | ljp_ | yup |
| 01:55.10 | ljp_ | will a c700 image work on a c760? |
| 01:55.14 | treke|home | ljp_: You'll have to do trial and error to get the proper return values, mallum added documentation to one build of it :p |
| 01:55.21 | treke|home | ljp_: Other than the kernel, yes |
| 01:55.21 | absentia | I also have work laptop, both my laptops are at 512mb... the work laptop is like 1GHz and I can run virtualpc and run debian there to do the buildroot, etc... but my wife likes to work on that, so I don't always have full access, and I don't like the interruptios. |
| 01:55.25 | sheenmaster | absentia: stolen? That sucks. |
| 01:55.32 | absentia | ljp: other than the kernel, it should. |
| 01:55.33 | omin0us | that does suck |
| 01:55.36 | absentia | sheen: yup |
| 01:55.43 | treke|home | ljp_: Even the kernel should be fine, realistically |
| 01:55.45 | sheenmaster | absentia: I'm in Tennessee. They'd probably return anything stolen from me for lack of anywhere to pawn it. |
| 01:55.46 | ljp_ | ahh cool. so I just need to compile a c760 kernel |
| 01:55.52 | absentia | got my routers, 8 cpu sun... all my game systems... 300+ cds.. all my dvds. printers. |
| 01:56.05 | ljp_ | I like being able to brown nose the CEO |
| 01:56.06 | absentia | ljp: for what system? oz or something else ? |
| 01:56.08 | treke|home | ljp_: It just would just have problems with flash :) |
| 01:56.10 | sheenmaster | "We can't accept that if it doesn't run Window" |
| 01:56.23 | absentia | sheen: exactly! |
| 01:56.25 | ljp_ | absentia: oz with qtopia 1.7 |
| 01:56.30 | absentia | my spy.org is in tennessee |
| 01:56.39 | ljp_ | with flash? |
| 01:56.55 | treke|home | ljp_: Yes, it wouldn't recoginiza the flash partitions since the sizes would be wrong |
| 01:56.55 | absentia | ljp: can't you get a kernel from openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental ? |
| 01:57.08 | treke|home | Yeah you could just use that kernel |
| 01:57.12 | absentia | but, ya, I wondered what someone would do with an 8 cpu sun4d machine. |
| 01:57.22 | ljp_ | hmm. true |
| 01:57.23 | absentia | there's also sukoshi kernels. |
| 01:57.37 | treke|home | ljp_: I need to talk to harlekin and zecke about changes to ODevice for handling rotation |
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| 01:57.48 | treke|home | ljp_: Since we do know how to rotate using the hardware |
| 01:57.57 | ljp_ | I was told the place might be in the server.. |
| 01:58.13 | ljp_ | but I havent looked into it |
| 01:58.22 | treke|home | I havent either |
| 01:58.28 | absentia | hey, anyone here know how to link to a named anchor with phpwiki ? |
| 01:58.33 | absentia | (With html disabled) |
| 01:58.33 | omin0us | someone should try to port NetBSD or PicoBSD to the zaurus |
| 01:58.37 | treke|home | When I looked at rotation, it was before I knew how to do the rotation |
| 01:58.38 | omin0us | since it has ARM support already |
| 01:58.50 | treke|home | ljp_: might be something to handle at the qt/e level |
| 01:58.51 | absentia | om: I like zdebian |
| 01:59.00 | absentia | you can apt-get from the debian feeds, etc. |
| 01:59.17 | treke|home | ljp_: If built for c700, rotation either resizes the fb for rotations it can handle, or uses software rotation for other ones |
| 01:59.18 | omin0us | absentia: you mean the pocket workstation that you put on an SD card? |
| 01:59.22 | absentia | www.pocketworkstation.com, http://digilander.libero.it/c700/ |
| 01:59.26 | omin0us | i had that on my 5500 |
| 01:59.27 | absentia | yes |
| 01:59.33 | absentia | I did that on my c700 ... it worked great |
| 01:59.33 | ljp_ | treke: if you'd do it in the server, it can qcop to all apps |
| 01:59.39 | omin0us | but its sucks using it with a 240x320 res |
| 01:59.42 | absentia | I just tend to be a power user and I needed/wanted more ram |
| 01:59.46 | absentia | huh? |
| 01:59.48 | absentia | not at all |
| 01:59.54 | absentia | run the vncserver in 800x600 mode |
| 01:59.57 | absentia | access it from remote |
| 01:59.59 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 02:00.19 | absentia | the 320x240 is the same as qtopia/opie ... :-> |
| 02:00.34 | omin0us | plus i only had a 64meg SD, so i had to put it on my 256meg CF, which ment no Wifi card for me |
| 02:00.44 | absentia | ya |
| 02:00.52 | omin0us | i know, but IceWM in zdebian isn't set up for 240x320 |
| 02:00.55 | treke|home | pocketworkstation is X based, correct? |
| 02:00.56 | absentia | I have a 512mb sd... so it works out well |
| 02:00.59 | omin0us | you have to scroll all over the desktop |
| 02:01.03 | omin0us | treke: yes |
| 02:01.09 | absentia | I'll then put in 4gb CF with mp3 and garbage, for airlines, etc. |
| 02:01.13 | treke|home | man, that's got to suck on a c7x0 :p |
| 02:01.34 | omin0us | treke: why do you say that? |
| 02:01.38 | absentia | om: ya, set it up for larger... I hate the tabs at the top and the bar at the bottom... too much lost space! |
| 02:01.38 | omin0us | i image it runs a lot better |
| 02:01.45 | absentia | I want ratpoison vm |
| 02:01.48 | treke|home | omin0us: because X on a c760 is really really slow |
| 02:01.49 | absentia | er, wm.. or something like it. |
| 02:02.17 | absentia | treke: yes, it has a vncserver.... it's not slow that I noticed? |
| 02:02.22 | omin0us | treke: why does it run so slow, it runs alright on a 55xx |
| 02:02.34 | ljp_ | treke: do you know if that buffered framebuffer is enabled in the c7x0's kernels? |
| 02:02.47 | treke|home | ljp_: Not off hand. Let me look |
| 02:02.55 | treke|home | if it isn't, I'll build a kernel with it on |
| 02:03.00 | absentia | treke: the vnc was much faster for debian than it is for qtopia |
| 02:03.34 | omin0us | yeah, it doesn't actually install x to the zaurus, it runs it from a chroot env. |
| 02:03.45 | absentia | I uploaded a few (ahem) choice backgrounds to www.zaurusthemes.com |
| 02:03.47 | treke|home | ljp_: Bug mickeyl when he wakes up, the home button doesnt work properly on new kernel builds for me |
| 02:04.00 | treke|home | absentia: So your using a vnc client to connect to Xvnc server? |
| 02:04.04 | ljp_ | hmmm |
| 02:04.15 | absentia | treke: for qtopia or zdebian ? |
| 02:04.19 | treke|home | ljp: He was fucking with the keyboard |
| 02:04.25 | treke|home | absentia: pocketworkstation |
| 02:04.28 | treke|home | and zdebian |
| 02:04.36 | absentia | for zdebian, basically you ru na chroot fbvncserver that runs the zdebian... you then run a client to connect to it... on the zaurus, yes. |
| 02:04.38 | omin0us | zdebian == pocketworkstation? |
| 02:04.42 | omin0us | isn't it the same? |
| 02:04.46 | absentia | but you do this with qtopia shut down. |
| 02:04.47 | treke|home | ljp: it might work in qtopia |
| 02:04.48 | absentia | yes |
| 02:04.53 | absentia | same |
| 02:05.04 | absentia | I'll get mine up here in a second and let you http into it |
| 02:05.10 | treke|home | if you are using a fbxserver, that is what I mean by slow |
| 02:05.15 | absentia | I had kergoth on my c700 like the second night I had it. |
| 02:05.30 | treke|home | omin0us: the problem with X is that it's code for rotating the display is very very slow |
| 02:05.35 | absentia | treke: ya, but the one from kw seems fast... it's a pseudo fb for x |
| 02:05.39 | absentia | the qtopia one... is the slow one. |
| 02:05.40 | ljp_ | kergoth was on your c700? |
| 02:05.45 | absentia | yup |
| 02:05.46 | treke|home | absentia: Eh? |
| 02:05.50 | absentia | I had 5 users on it at once. |
| 02:06.03 | absentia | (shells) |
| 02:06.03 | omin0us | treke: oh |
| 02:07.08 | omin0us | god, its gonna be forever before i can get my c760 |
| 02:07.26 | treke|home | ljp_: I don't see the buffered fb patch |
| 02:07.26 | absentia | that's what credit cards are for. |
| 02:07.36 | ljp_ | it should be in rmk7 |
| 02:07.39 | omin0us | i'm only 17, lol. i don't have a credit card |
| 02:07.57 | absentia | treke: how is the opiebuild system (migration away from buildroot?) coming along ? |
| 02:08.01 | treke|home | ljp_: We'll if it's in rmk7, it's in all of the c7x0 patches |
| 02:08.04 | treke|home | absentia: slowly |
| 02:08.05 | ljp_ | I think I have those patch files that pb pointed me too |
| 02:08.08 | absentia | ah |
| 02:08.22 | treke|home | ljp_: hook me up |
| 02:08.30 | omin0us | that is why i want to get this linux box all set up so i can start helping out with that |
| 02:08.32 | ljp_ | it also has to be enabled, but I dont know what it is |
| 02:08.46 | omin0us | i want to see OZ/OE pick up. cause it seems like its slowly dying off |
| 02:08.51 | treke|home | we're applying |
| 02:08.59 | absentia | does busybox wget support output to stdout ? |
| 02:09.06 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.09 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.12 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.14 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.17 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.32 | ljp_ | it would be in rmk7 from hh.org if it were |
| 02:09.49 | ljp_ | I gotta reboot. bbiab |
| 02:09.55 | omin0us | btw |
| 02:10.13 | omin0us | anyone interested in buying an HP NetServer LH3 |
| 02:10.17 | omin0us | dual PIII 500's |
| 02:10.22 | omin0us | 2 18gig SCSI's |
| 02:10.26 | absentia | how much? |
| 02:10.26 | omin0us | cheap :) |
| 02:10.42 | omin0us | 350, pics here: http://myweb.cableone.net/jaide12 |
| 02:11.06 | omin0us | plus you'd be helping me out to buy a c760 :) |
| 02:11.12 | omin0us | doesn't that make you feel good inside |
| 02:11.16 | absentia | ah, fvck that beast |
| 02:11.40 | absentia | looks larger than my old ss1000 ... wonder if that thing sounds like a dc10 too |
| 02:12.08 | omin0us | ahh, come on. you know you want it |
| 02:12.57 | sheenmaster | absentia: I still have an ss1000 |
| 02:13.09 | sheenmaster | absentia: 4 proc, 85mhz, SuperCache |
| 02:13.37 | absentia | yup. mine was 8 proc, 576mb ram, forget hoe many gigs of disk... etc. stolen |
| 02:13.50 | absentia | but, of course, you can't run sol9, 10, etc... so it was aging. |
| 02:14.04 | absentia | I have a friend who has a 440 chasis, just no cpus.... but he won't part with it. |
| 02:14.12 | absentia | but, alas, I'm happy with my zaurus now |
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| 02:16.07 | omin0us | treke: ok, i downloaded that 2.95.3 crosscompiler thing from the OZ site? |
| 02:16.13 | absentia | http://m54.spy.org/~scott/closet.gif |
| 02:16.20 | omin0us | but i'm lost? |
| 02:16.25 | absentia | but that doesn't show the ss1000... I have to find my other backup cd to get that image off. |
| 02:19.26 | absentia | noo |
| 02:20.56 | absentia | ah, |
| 02:21.02 | treke|home | wheee an hp laserjet 4 |
| 02:22.01 | absentia | ya |
| 02:22.09 | absentia | that was from pre-99 |
| 02:22.18 | absentia | wget -O - http://pocketworkstation.org/files/zaurus-debian-big-v0.15.tgz | gzip -d -c | tar vtf - |
| 02:22.27 | treke|home | damn fine printer |
| 02:22.43 | absentia | I'll work on this zdebian so people can wget -O - | sh ... and it will do everything else. |
| 02:22.43 | absentia | :-> |
| 02:22.49 | absentia | treke: amen. |
| 02:25.11 | treke|home | dunno how old it is, but it's never needed any maintenance beyond cleaning every so often |
| 02:26.42 | absentia | yup |
| 02:26.50 | absentia | takes foever to warm up |
| 02:26.57 | absentia | use to make my lights flicker when I turned it on |
| 02:26.58 | treke|home | the laser jet 2 it replaced was the same way |
| 02:27.44 | treke|home | my father had a laserjet 2 in the office that was still working fine in 2002 when he finally convinced his boss to upgrade :p |
| 02:27.56 | omin0us | treke: how do i install/setup that prebuild 2.95.3 cross compiler that you sent me the link to |
| 02:28.05 | treke|home | omin0us: you extract it to /usr/local/arm |
| 02:28.09 | omin0us | it is down downloading |
| 02:29.05 | omin0us | and then gcc 2.95.3 and the cross compiler will work |
| 02:29.16 | treke|home | yes |
| 02:29.49 | omin0us | ok |
| 02:30.12 | omin0us | where can i find some docs on how to cross compile for OZ and all that stuff? |
| 02:30.40 | absentia | if it's gonna change soon |
| 02:30.42 | treke|home | in the openembedded docss directory |
| 02:30.47 | absentia | do you want to learn this system and then learn a completely new system? |
| 02:30.49 | absentia | or just wait ? |
| 02:30.55 | kergoth | wait? |
| 02:30.59 | kergoth | you can learn OE right now. |
| 02:31.01 | kergoth | there is no wait. |
| 02:31.05 | absentia | ah. |
| 02:31.16 | omin0us | yeah, thats what i'm wanting to do |
| 02:31.35 | omin0us | i want to do what ever it is that i need to do to help get OE rolling along |
| 02:31.41 | omin0us | or OZ |
| 02:31.42 | absentia | exactly |
| 02:31.46 | omin0us | or whatever |
| 02:31.51 | kergoth | then read the documentation |
| 02:31.55 | kergoth | go from there |
| 02:32.03 | omin0us | ok, |
| 02:32.10 | treke|home | omin0us: download buildroot source. download openembedded source. read the stuff in docs/ and it tells you how to convert stuff |
| 02:32.14 | omin0us | thats what i just asked, where is the documentation |
| 02:32.33 | omin0us | where do i get all of this? |
| 02:32.47 | kergoth | jesus |
| 02:32.49 | kergoth | openzaurus.org |
| 02:32.49 | kergoth | faq |
| 02:32.50 | kergoth | search |
| 02:32.51 | kergoth | source |
| 02:32.53 | kergoth | read. |
| 02:37.27 | omin0us | excuse me if i'm pissing you off by asking questions, but i'm not some old timer linux guru. i just want to help out but quite frankly have been lost as to where to start |
| 02:37.58 | kergoth | .. |
| 02:38.10 | kergoth | note: if you have a question, read the ... big surprise ... frequently asked questions. |
| 02:46.31 | sheenmaster | kergoth: does it address what a faq is? |
| 02:46.33 | sheenmaster | :) |
| 02:47.47 | omin0us | ok, i get it. i won't ask anyquestions anymore |
| 02:48.20 | kergoth | you can ask questions. |
| 02:48.25 | kergoth | just try using resources first. |
| 02:48.33 | kergoth | web sites and docuemntation exists for a reason. |
| 02:48.47 | omin0us | yeah, but sometimes they aren't always the greatest |
| 02:49.03 | omin0us | we also have these public channels for a reason |
| 02:49.33 | omin0us | i'm just trying to help out, so relax a little. |
| 02:50.28 | sheenmaster | maybe we should start another channel for stupid questions. |
| 02:50.51 | sheenmaster | kergoth can stay out of it or ignore it. Those with time on there hands could answer stupid questions |
| 02:51.03 | kergoth | omin0us: them not being the greatest doesnt mean you shouldnt try reading them. |
| 02:51.19 | sheenmaster | (or we could have ibot replace with http://google.com/search?q=question+goes+here ) |
| 02:51.24 | kergoth | you dont know how they are until you read them? |
| 02:51.27 | kergoth | s/?/./ |
| 02:51.34 | omin0us | i have, but i don't understand everything |
| 02:51.44 | kergoth | you've read the faq on obtaining oz sources? |
| 02:51.46 | kergoth | i doubt that. |
| 02:51.58 | omin0us | yes, you have to get them from that bitkeeper crap |
| 02:52.04 | omin0us | and if not then from the daily snapshot |
| 02:52.20 | treke|home | So where is the question on getting the source? |
| 02:52.22 | kergoth | yep. so you have the sources then? |
| 02:52.54 | omin0us | i didn't even know what bitkeeper was. |
| 02:53.12 | kergoth | http://www.google.com/ |
| 02:53.22 | kergoth | it works like a dictionary. you dont understand a word, you use it. |
| 02:53.23 | kergoth | try it sometime |
| 02:53.36 | absentia | hmmm |
| 02:54.07 | omin0us | I haven't been using Linux that long. I am only 17 and in highschool and have taken a couple programming classes and a *nix class. I really enjoyed using nix, so i decided to start using it full time at home. But i don't know how to do every little thing in it. |
| 02:54.25 | absentia | man |
| 02:54.26 | omin0us | You guys need to chill out a bit and relise that the question was simple and didn't kill you |
| 02:54.27 | kergoth | i dont expect you to know how to do every little thin |
| 02:54.31 | absentia | I wish I had linux when I was in highschool |
| 02:54.31 | kergoth | i expect you to try reading. |
| 02:54.37 | kergoth | man pages, google, online documentation |
| 02:54.40 | omin0us | you guys have been doing this for years |
| 02:54.58 | kergoth | even during my first linux install i read documentation and figured shit out. |
| 02:55.03 | omin0us | you deeply involved in the stuff, i'm just trying to get started. |
| 02:55.04 | sheenmaster | absentia: I wish I had minix in elementary school |
| 02:55.05 | kergoth | so experience isnt relevent. |
| 02:55.07 | kergoth | attitude is. |
| 02:55.20 | omin0us | i've been reading stuff |
| 02:55.31 | absentia | I ask everyone |
| 02:55.38 | absentia | just no one knows the answers to the questions that I ask |
| 02:55.40 | absentia | kinda sucks |
| 02:55.53 | sheenmaster | absentia: I do. Ask me any question. |
| 02:55.57 | treke|home | absentia: thats kinda the sucky part about knowing how to do all the easy stuff :) |
| 02:56.00 | absentia | at least, for the more interesting things that I want to do. |
| 02:56.06 | omin0us | but i've been getting lost in all my reading |
| 02:56.07 | absentia | treke: yup. |
| 02:56.41 | sheenmaster | absentia: seriously, ask me anything |
| 02:56.43 | absentia | omin0us: try my challenge... try to find the last/current feed for oz/oe for 760 |
| 02:56.59 | absentia | ya, there's an interesting file in CAPS in one location now. |
| 02:57.16 | absentia | now, after you find the latest, go out and see if you can locate 2 dozen or more oz/opie feeds... |
| 02:57.27 | absentia | sheenmaster: seriously? |
| 02:57.33 | kergoth | hint: use the mailing list archives for hte various oz/oe/opie mailing lists |
| 02:57.35 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:57.48 | sheenmaster | absentia: seriously |
| 02:57.53 | treke|home | there is one semi official feed for oz and opie on the c760 |
| 02:58.20 | treke|home | we don't publicise it because people should not be using it if they arent able to find it in the archives |
| 02:59.02 | sheenmaster | absentia: guess you aren't gonna ask one. Chances are, the answer has something to do with 42. |
| 02:59.02 | absentia | sheenmaster: could you help me get ldap/kerberos/sasl/ssl/gssapi working under solaris 8 w/ virtual ips... with passwords in kerberos (heimdal, not mit), and kerberos auth for ldap replication and schemas and sso for solaris, tru64 and redhat and, also link into AD? |
| 02:59.15 | absentia | sheen: douglas adams was one of my users... :-> |
| 02:59.34 | absentia | the hardbound trilogy in front of me is signed "No, Scott, users are not somebody else's problem" |
| 02:59.47 | sheenmaster | lucky you |
| 02:59.51 | absentia | I asked'm him to sign it that way... 'since all I do or did.. at that time.. was answer questions all day and night |
| 02:59.55 | absentia | while still trying to run systems. |
| 03:00.07 | absentia | and, no, 42 did not help with the kerberos. |
| 03:00.30 | absentia | now my zaurus tar isn't untarring this file |
| 03:02.49 | sheenmaster | Anyways, gimme root access to the systems in question and I'll do it for you. CPU usage might hover around 42.00 after I let me friends in, so it is related. |
| 03:03.30 | absentia | heheh |
| 03:03.40 | absentia | ya, we can all ping-pile on my 760 |
| 03:03.43 | sheenmaster | I'd say the chances of you actually giving me root are roughy one in 1E42. |
| 03:03.44 | absentia | party at my IP! |
| 03:03.48 | sheenmaster | yay! |
| 03:03.51 | absentia | I'll give you root. |
| 03:04.08 | treke|home | omin0us: Look on the bright side, your getting good practice trying to hunt down info |
| 03:04.10 | sheenmaster | k, just gimme the password and ip in here. /msg is rude. |
| 03:04.15 | absentia | it opens up resonable doubt... in case I get busted |
| 03:04.29 | treke|home | you'll spend a whole lot of time doing that when working on oe |
| 03:04.31 | absentia | hell, kergoth was on my box once... not sure if he was root or not |
| 03:04.35 | absentia | probably. |
| 03:05.17 | sheenmaster | I've had a total of one user get root. That damned 2.4.18 kernel vulnerability. |
| 03:05.40 | absentia | really? |
| 03:05.40 | sheenmaster | I rm'ed some suid binaries and upgraded the kernel, then go root on every box in his network. |
| 03:05.43 | sheenmaster | We had some laughs. |
| 03:05.48 | absentia | when I want root, I just use google and ge the latest 'sploit |
| 03:06.01 | absentia | I created a game in '92 called "Race to root" |
| 03:06.10 | absentia | someone would give a domain, and everyone'd go off and get root |
| 03:06.14 | absentia | most of the time it was < 60 seconds |
| 03:06.18 | absentia | so the game got boring. |
| 03:06.31 | sheenmaster | that was '92 |
| 03:06.47 | absentia | know anything 'bout the cracker called "infomaster" or bigfoot? or .... who's that loser.. kevin mitnick? |
| 03:06.47 | sheenmaster | before OpenBSD or apt |
| 03:07.01 | absentia | ya. |
| 03:07.03 | sheenmaster | mitnick is a record holder! |
| 03:07.09 | sheenmaster | most years in a US prison without a trial |
| 03:07.24 | absentia | he deserves to be locked up. |
| 03:07.30 | sheenmaster | all because he had the guts to complain about prison food |
| 03:07.30 | absentia | they just need to do it right. |
| 03:07.37 | absentia | ya, the mitnick diet |
| 03:07.38 | absentia | hahahah |
| 03:07.50 | absentia | sorry, I have not sympathy for religious people |
| 03:08.04 | absentia | a beanie on a head just means the brain is impaired. |
| 03:09.31 | sheenmaster | What about someone who has a copy of Applied Cryptography instead of a teddy bear? |
| 03:10.04 | sheenmaster | (If I ever have kids, they're gonna be so damn screwed up...) |
| 03:10.16 | absentia | heheh |
| 03:11.18 | absentia | grrr |
| 03:11.28 | absentia | kw's gnu-tar has some funky lib dependency, and, of course, I don't have it. |
| 03:11.35 | sheenmaster | They won't really be mine of course. After I strike it rich, Elisha will have 6 or 8 Asian babies (neither of us is Asian). When the first one gets out of diapers, she'll leave me, taking my cash with her. |
| 03:11.39 | absentia | and the busybox tar won't untar his debian-big file. |
| 03:11.52 | absentia | ya, I sued enron for $30mill |
| 03:12.00 | absentia | those bastards went out of business instead of paying me |
| 03:12.01 | absentia | etc. |
| 03:12.08 | absentia | so now I'm playing sysadmin again. |
| 03:12.57 | sheenmaster | hehe, that would be the life. All the fun of programming with no expectation of results. |
| 03:13.17 | absentia | ah, but that's just it |
| 03:13.19 | absentia | I do have expectations. |
| 03:14.00 | sheenmaster | The problem with "real" AI programming is that it's one hell of a bitch to debug. |
| 03:14.12 | treke|home | is it broken, or just smarter than you |
| 03:14.15 | absentia | anyone know of an .ipk that has gnutar? |
| 03:14.26 | absentia | treke: exatly! |
| 03:14.31 | treke|home | <ai> 2+2=5 and here is why |
| 03:14.46 | absentia | 2+2=5 for large values of 2 |
| 03:15.05 | sheenmaster | int(2.25+2.25)==5 |
| 03:15.05 | omin0us | ? |
| 03:15.11 | omin0us | ahh |
| 03:15.15 | omin0us | that makes sense |
| 03:15.21 | sheenmaster | I have the t-shirt |
| 03:15.28 | absentia | :-) |
| 03:15.32 | sheenmaster | have to explain it daily to rednecks at school. |
| 03:15.33 | omin0us | heh |
| 03:15.35 | omin0us | that is funny |
| 03:15.39 | absentia | penn ? |
| 03:15.47 | sheenmaster | Tennessee |
| 03:15.49 | sheenmaster | I was born in Penn |
| 03:15.52 | absentia | ah |
| 03:15.57 | absentia | tenn |
| 03:15.58 | absentia | poor guy |
| 03:16.12 | omin0us | better than living in ... |
| 03:16.14 | omin0us | idaho |
| 03:16.50 | sheenmaster | I'm moving to california in less than two years. |
| 03:16.57 | omin0us | cool |
| 03:16.59 | sheenmaster | (with any luck) |
| 03:17.08 | omin0us | Sheen: you in collage right now? |
| 03:17.14 | sheenmaster | I wish. |
| 03:17.18 | sheenmaster | HS |
| 03:17.24 | omin0us | oh, same here |
| 03:17.30 | treke|home | not sure what it is though |
| 03:17.41 | sheenmaster | treke|home: UC Berkeley. MIT sold out. |
| 03:17.50 | omin0us | yep :) |
| 03:17.56 | treke|home | MIT sold out? |
| 03:18.00 | sheenmaster | to M$ |
| 03:18.14 | treke|home | how so? |
| 03:18.39 | sheenmaster | The took money from M$, they replaced UNIX workstations with Winshit ones. |
| 03:19.09 | treke|home | and berkeley hasnt? That would surprise me |
| 03:19.31 | sheenmaster | They took the bribe, but they didn't fulfill their part of it. |
| 03:19.42 | treke|home | And that makes them better? |
| 03:20.00 | treke|home | at least MIT stood by their side of the bargain :) |
| 03:20.02 | sheenmaster | All school screw people over. I'd rather they do it to M$ than students. |
| 03:21.35 | sheenmaster | I suspect Sun bribed them with "alumni donations" |
| 03:21.37 | treke|home | oh well. I'm just happy that davis will probably be going bye bye |
| 03:22.30 | sheenmaster | davis? |
| 03:22.43 | treke|home | sheenmaster: governor |
| 03:22.46 | sheenmaster | ok |
| 03:23.08 | sheenmaster | I would've voted for Mary Carey. She had some great ideas. |
| 03:23.58 | treke|home | like? |
| 03:24.05 | sheenmaster | we all know that arnold one by autographing a check for the evoter company. |
| 03:24.15 | omin0us | won* |
| 03:24.21 | treke|home | Eh? |
| 03:24.27 | sheenmaster | "Porn for Guns". You trade in guns, legal or otherwise, and get 10 movies in return. |
| 03:24.32 | sheenmaster | s/one/won |
| 03:25.00 | sheenmaster | The Butt Monkey Bear Party also had a good gun control idea. A 15-day waiting period on ski-masks. |
| 03:25.34 | treke|home | sheenmaster: you are kidding, correct? The diebold machine is used in two counties |
| 03:25.35 | omin0us | sheen: i feel the flames coming again, but could you explain that syntax to me: s/one/won. i've noticed it alot |
| 03:25.53 | sheenmaster | s/from/to |
| 03:26.01 | sheenmaster | s stands for switch |
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| 03:26.10 | omin0us | ahh |
| 03:26.11 | omin0us | ok |
| 03:27.22 | sheenmaster | argh |
| 03:27.32 | sheenmaster | cpu usage on my server is staying at 2.00 |
| 03:27.44 | sheenmaster | with no crashed kernel threads |
| 03:29.06 | treke|home | sheenmaster: Most of the state uses the same machines they've used for a very long time |
| 03:29.17 | absentia | heheh |
| 03:29.24 | absentia | too funny |
| 03:29.39 | sheenmaster | No, he won because people thought he would win. |
| 03:29.54 | treke|home | That is true. |
| 03:30.00 | treke|home | it's also not illegal :) |
| 03:30.27 | absentia | I agreew with douglas Adams on politics, though |
| 03:30.34 | absentia | anyone who wants to run, should automatically be disqualified |
| 03:31.09 | sheenmaster | Anyone capable of being elected to office should under no circumstances be allowed to take the position. |
| 03:31.12 | treke|home | hehe |
| 03:31.41 | treke|home | sheenmaster: so the obvious answer is that mcclintock should be governor |
| 03:31.51 | sheenmaster | I can see Bush stealing America's first interstellar space craft. |
| 03:31.53 | treke|home | since he has a snowballs chance in hell of ever being elected here :p |
| 03:32.15 | sheenmaster | treke|home: power up the improbability engine and watch out for falling whales |
| 03:32.37 | absentia | yeah! my rsync of 1.4GB of zaurus files has finished |
| 03:32.54 | absentia | '/c |
| 03:33.00 | absentia | 20K/sec up sucks at times. |
| 03:33.01 | sheenmaster | absentia: my latest attempt at compiling gcc hasn't blown up yet! |
| 03:33.22 | absentia | that's truly amazing. |
| 03:33.29 | sheenmaster | powerpc-linux-elf to sparc-openbsd-elf |
| 03:33.31 | absentia | my latest attempt of compiling the latest apache blew u |
| 03:33.43 | absentia | I had to rip out their ap_ugly_hack hack to make it work. |
| 03:34.01 | sheenmaster | a lot hard than my i386-linux and arm-linux compilers |
| 03:34.19 | sheenmaster | s/hard/harder |
| 03:34.30 | sheenmaster | oh belgium |
| 03:34.32 | sheenmaster | it blew up |
| 03:34.36 | absentia | see! |
| 03:34.39 | absentia | you just had to say something |
| 03:36.43 | sheenmaster | it looks like gcc's clean: in the libiberty Makefile wasn't implemented or called |
| 03:37.03 | absentia | heheh |
| 03:37.07 | absentia | libibert hell |
| 03:37.20 | absentia | gcc 3.x? |
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| 03:37.23 | sheenmaster | I should just build cross compilers on my server and give everyone access |
| 03:37.50 | absentia | we need to set up the seti@home machines as a huge cluster |
| 03:37.55 | sheenmaster | absentia: 2.95. The host is using 3.3. I have to remove the "ifdef 0" comments |
| 03:37.56 | absentia | and public computing available to the public |
| 03:38.34 | sheenmaster | I'll define 2.95 for the host |
| 03:38.36 | sheenmaster | that should work |
| 03:43.33 | absentia | sheen: here's another question for ya |
| 03:43.41 | absentia | how does one cmpile a static ncftp for solaris? |
| 03:44.05 | sheenmaster | cc or gcc |
| 03:44.15 | sheenmaster | you can alias it, or change Makefile configs |
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| 03:46.37 | absentia | eh? |
| 03:46.47 | absentia | argh, mega lag |
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| 03:49.20 | absentia | grrr.... |
| 03:51.22 | absentia | omin0us: you there? |
| 03:53.27 | sheenmaster | absentia: why not untar it on another system and rsync it over? |
| 03:53.47 | absentia | hmm |
| 03:53.48 | absentia | I could |
| 03:53.51 | absentia | I'd have to install ssh on the zaurus |
| 03:53.56 | absentia | does rsync do devs? |
| 03:54.35 | sheenmaster | I'm not sure. |
| 03:56.00 | sheenmaster | yes it can |
| 03:56.06 | sheenmaster | pass the -D switch |
| 03:56.10 | sheenmaster | must be done as root |
| 03:56.21 | absentia | ok |
| 03:56.25 | absentia | I guess I could try that |
| 03:56.30 | absentia | do you have a zaurus handy ? |
| 03:56.43 | sheenmaster | yes, two |
| 03:57.03 | absentia | do you ahve a file librt.so.1 anywhere on them ? |
| 03:57.23 | _Psycho | i got that for a game i forgot what |
| 03:57.25 | _Psycho | i think |
| 03:57.39 | absentia | where did you get it ? |
| 03:58.10 | _Psycho | from some web site at wanrdom from a stupid ipk that needed it hehe |
| 03:58.12 | absentia | part of libc? |
| 03:58.16 | _Psycho | i dont remember why i needed it |
| 03:58.25 | absentia | could you send me yours? |
| 03:58.26 | _Psycho | ah yes i know video lan client use it, work fine on my c700 just a bit slow |
| 03:58.29 | _Psycho | hmmm |
| 03:58.36 | _Psycho | kinda busy atm maybe in 10 min É |
| 03:58.48 | _Psycho | 10 fine ? |
| 03:58.51 | absentia | no hurry |
| 03:59.30 | sheenmaster | I've got it |
| 03:59.55 | absentia | any idea where you got it ? |
| 04:00.09 | _Psycho | a web site, from google |
| 04:00.23 | absentia | I put in librt.so.1 zaurus |
| 04:00.31 | absentia | and only finds 5 pages, none of which provide info on it |
| 04:00.32 | sheenmaster | absentia: one moment, I posted it to my webserver |
| 04:00.37 | absentia | cool |
| 04:00.59 | absentia | im sucking down some libs for basillisk... it might be in there |
| 04:01.27 | sheenmaster | http://sheenmaster.frob.us/librt-2.2.4.so |
| 04:01.30 | sheenmaster | there it is |
| 04:01.37 | sheenmaster | I have a hell of a lot of packages installed |
| 04:01.42 | sheenmaster | so no idea where it came from |
| 04:01.52 | sheenmaster | symlink that to librt.so.1 |
| 04:02.32 | sheenmaster | in /lib/ |
| 04:02.38 | absentia | I'll probalby need a gazillion other libs |
| 04:02.40 | absentia | let me try that |
| 04:03.15 | absentia | ah! the basilisk2 package had it |
| 04:03.19 | absentia | 2MB of libs |
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| 04:05.04 | absentia | ./gnu-tar |
| 04:05.04 | absentia | ./gnu-tar: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.2.3' not found (required by ./gnu-tar) |
| 04:05.05 | absentia | fuck |
| 04:05.08 | absentia | looks like I'm sol |
| 04:06.06 | sheenmaster | absentia: I'm uploading all my libs |
| 04:06.09 | sheenmaster | done |
| 04:06.17 | _Psycho | wait abs im almost done hehe |
| 04:06.18 | sheenmaster | http://sheenmaster.frob.us/zaurus_lib/ |
| 04:06.22 | absentia | thanks... but I think this is just too messed up to persue this |
| 04:06.24 | sheenmaster | anything you need will be in there |
| 04:06.58 | absentia | is it done uling ? |
| 04:07.21 | sheenmaster | absentia: 12mbit to my server |
| 04:07.35 | sheenmaster | took it less than two secs |
| 04:07.38 | absentia | I mean, is your ul done? it's probably faster than my 100kbit dl |
| 04:07.39 | absentia | ok |
| 04:07.51 | absentia | thanks! |
| 04:08.05 | sheenmaster | I'm uploading /usr/lib |
| 04:08.30 | sheenmaster | done |
| 04:08.34 | absentia | what device/os ? |
| 04:08.44 | sheenmaster | 5500 |
| 04:08.48 | absentia | ok, thanks |
| 04:08.51 | sheenmaster | OZ stable (mostly) |
| 04:09.01 | absentia | ah |
| 04:09.20 | sheenmaster | you can thank me by answering a stupid question |
| 04:09.37 | absentia | I'll do my best. |
| 04:09.50 | sheenmaster | how can I tell make what to use for its C compiler? ($CC) isn't being used |
| 04:10.03 | absentia | make CC=gcc |
| 04:10.04 | absentia | ? |
| 04:10.12 | absentia | or $CC isn't even in the make file? |
| 04:10.36 | absentia | if you want to modify the system, make does have a config file |
| 04:10.47 | absentia | I'm not sure how or even if.. you can override that setting ... via command line |
| 04:11.03 | sheenmaster | alias didn't work |
| 04:11.04 | absentia | sounds like a good interview question, though. |
| 04:13.03 | kergoth | if you're confident about what vars are used in the makefile in question, you can set the vars in the env and use make -e |
| 04:13.14 | kergoth | if its an autoconf based system, set them in the env during the ./configure call |
| 04:13.27 | kergoth | in which case, -e isnt necesasry, since configure will use it in the Makefile generation |
| 04:13.57 | absentia | anyone notice that opera doesn't seem to save files with a proper name... or something |
| 04:14.04 | absentia | whereas netfront seems to do it fine? |
| 04:14.30 | sheenmaster | ./configure --with-CC=gcc-2.95 |
| 04:14.30 | sheenmaster | like that? |
| 04:15.15 | _Psycho | not even sure my dcc work |
| 04:15.34 | _Psycho | accept if absentia |
| 04:15.38 | _Psycho | it* |
| 04:15.42 | _Psycho | its your librt.so.1 |
| 04:15.57 | absentia | conn refused |
| 04:16.07 | absentia | it's ok, I found it in an ipk for basilisk.. but then i got a glibc error |
| 04:16.10 | absentia | so I'm totally sol |
| 04:16.13 | absentia | thanks, though. |
| 04:16.34 | _Psycho | hmmm email ? |
| 04:16.43 | _Psycho | mine work |
| 04:17.55 | absentia | oh, it's ok. I found the lib, got past that error |
| 04:18.03 | absentia | but then hit a glibc error/incompatibility |
| 04:18.12 | absentia | what I really need is a statically compiled gnutar! |
| 04:18.21 | absentia | or to convert my data... from gnutar to normal tar |
| 04:18.37 | absentia | I wonder if zip does devices. |
| 04:18.41 | _Psycho | oh ok if you said so, my lib have like 28k too |
| 04:19.15 | absentia | damn this is sucking |
| 04:19.26 | absentia | I can't seem to untar the openssh tar either! |
| 04:19.30 | absentia | so I can't get rsync |
| 04:19.37 | absentia | why is this shit so fucking impossible ? |
| 04:19.56 | sheenmaster | that's not working |
| 04:20.03 | absentia | nope |
| 04:20.03 | sheenmaster | it's still using gcc instead of gcc-2.95 |
| 04:20.08 | absentia | I can't get ssh installed to use rsync |
| 04:20.12 | absentia | because the tar gives the same errors |
| 04:20.16 | absentia | busybox tar seems to suck shit |
| 04:20.23 | absentia | I've even installed another busybox, it's still failing |
| 04:20.39 | kergoth | sheenmaster: ? i said to set it in the environment. |
| 04:20.42 | sheenmaster | maybe it's time to start from scratch |
| 04:20.44 | kergoth | sheenmaster: CC=blah; ./configure |
| 04:20.56 | absentia | export CC |
| 04:20.59 | absentia | if in sh |
| 04:21.03 | absentia | CC=blah ./configure |
| 04:21.03 | kergoth | yeah |
| 04:21.04 | absentia | etc |
| 04:21.08 | sheenmaster | zsh, so it's export |
| 04:21.09 | sheenmaster | thx |
| 04:21.26 | treke|home | sheenmaster: look in the Makefile and see what variable it uses for the c compiler. If it's hardcoded, then you use sed to change it |
| 04:22.12 | sheenmaster | treke|home: autoconf. TONS of Makefiles |
| 04:22.24 | treke|home | if it's autoconf, do what kergoth says :) |
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| 04:22.43 | sheenmaster | I am. |
| 04:22.48 | sheenmaster | I misunderstood him the first time. |
| 04:22.52 | sheenmaster | (running low on caffeine) |
| 04:23.01 | absentia | fuck |
| 04:23.05 | absentia | how can I untar this gd file |
| 04:23.18 | sheenmaster | absentia: can you start from scratch, with a working tar? |
| 04:23.46 | absentia | I'd have to reflash to sharp rom |
| 04:23.48 | absentia | and I don't have a way to do that |
| 04:23.57 | absentia | unless I go back to japanese, etc. |
| 04:24.00 | absentia | it's just not worth it |
| 04:24.07 | sheenmaster | yee pee, it's working |
| 04:24.27 | treke|home | You're using the cacko image, correct? |
| 04:24.52 | absentia | yup |
| 04:25.07 | treke|home | so going back to sharps image probably wouldnt do anything |
| 04:25.08 | absentia | cacko + pocketworkstation gnu-tar.gz |
| 04:25.16 | absentia | well, this worked for me before |
| 04:25.23 | absentia | I did this on the 700 just fine. |
| 04:25.31 | absentia | might just be a lib version difference, though. |
| 04:26.47 | absentia | hmmm |
| 04:27.00 | absentia | I can untar the files under freebsd and then just xfer the ipks |
| 04:31.23 | sheenmaster | I'll get a coke and hope GCC doesn't vomit again. |
| 04:31.33 | sheenmaster | all the libs are on http://sheenmaster.frob.us/ |
| 04:31.42 | sheenmaster | doubt you'll want them though |
| 04:32.59 | absentia | thanks! |
| 04:35.32 | sheenmaster | np |
| 04:35.43 | sheenmaster | I'd upload everything, but I have confidential source code on there. |
| 04:35.52 | sheenmaster | if you need something other than libs, just ask |
| 04:36.00 | absentia | it's ok |
| 04:36.07 | absentia | you don't have to do that |
| 04:36.12 | absentia | I appreciate the upload of the other lib. |
| 04:36.22 | absentia | I think that's going down the wrong path... for me |
| 04:36.28 | absentia | I'm now looking into rsync |
| 04:38.47 | absentia | Many thanks to Handhelds.org for providing a public access Linux-ARM compile f |
| 04:38.47 | absentia | arm. |
| 04:38.57 | absentia | interesting, does handhelds.org still ahve a linux-arm compile farm ? |
| 04:39.07 | fishy | yes |
| 04:42.28 | absentia | hey fishy... have you ever used it? |
| 04:43.43 | kergoth | i use it regularly to obtain ./configure test results for linux-arm for crosscompilation |
| 04:44.54 | absentia | nice |
| 04:45.32 | sheenmaster | fsck libiberty |
| 04:45.57 | fishy | absentia: yep :) |
| 04:46.20 | absentia | sheen: exactly. |
| 04:46.38 | absentia | fishy: could you make a static gnutar on there for zaurus ? |
| 04:46.58 | fishy | I dont see why now |
| 04:47.00 | fishy | not* |
| 04:47.29 | sheenmaster | I was building g++, when I just needed gcc |
| 04:48.00 | absentia | no, I mean... would you... :-> for me? |
| 04:49.01 | sheenmaster | I can |
| 04:49.07 | sheenmaster | apt-getting the source now |
| 04:49.16 | absentia | cool |
| 04:49.23 | absentia | I'm about to fire off rsync.... |
| 04:49.38 | absentia | I ran out of space installing openssh! |
| 04:52.38 | absentia | peace [415]> rsync -vazSHe ssh . z:/sd/zdebian/. |
| 04:52.57 | absentia | wrote 1569228613 bytes read 48594 bytes 90638.94 bytes/sec |
| 04:53.04 | absentia | heheh, my zaurus files upload to my remote web server. |
| 04:58.29 | sheenmaster | It's compiling now. |
| 04:59.03 | absentia | thanks! |
| 04:59.10 | absentia | I'll have to figure out how to use that farm |
| 04:59.20 | absentia | is it open to the public, or do you have to sign up for an account ? |
| 05:02.27 | absentia | rsync is hung |
| 05:06.56 | absentia | where can I read mroe aobut thie compile farm ? |
| 05:07.44 | treke|home | ssh guest@ipaq[0-9].handhelds.org |
| 05:07.54 | treke|home | also guest@skiffcluster[0-9].handhelds.org |
| 05:09.10 | absentia | thanks |
| 05:09.30 | treke|home | ass you can guess ipaqs are ipaqs, and skiffs are skiffs :) |
| 05:10.49 | absentia | what's a skiff? |
| 05:10.57 | absentia | im on ipaq2... just made a scott@spy.org dir |
| 05:11.18 | treke|home | http://www.handhelds.org/Compaq/#Skiff_Summary |
| 05:12.05 | absentia | ah |
| 05:12.14 | absentia | I remember reading that page while I was deciding which to buy |
| 05:12.17 | absentia | a compaq or zaurus |
| 05:12.37 | treke|home | as far as you're concerned they are both the same thing :) |
| 05:13.11 | treke|home | they used to have a webcam somewhere |
| 05:13.28 | treke|home | http://handhelds.org/cam.html |
| 05:13.35 | absentia | hmm. where is gnu hiding ftp now :-) |
| 05:13.42 | absentia | neat |
| 05:13.48 | treke|home | not been updated in months, but you'd never know :p |
| 05:14.01 | absentia | now there's a power rack! |
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| 05:17.19 | absentia | no trace of gnu tar on ftp.gnu.org/gnu |
| 05:17.37 | absentia | ah |
| 05:17.40 | absentia | they moved it to just tar. |
| 05:20.35 | absentia | sheen: how's it going? |
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| 05:28.54 | absentia | sukoshi! |
| 05:28.55 | absentia | hey |
| 05:28.58 | absentia | what's up ? |
| 05:30.01 | absentia | zaurus [390]> scp -p guest@ipaq2.handhelds.org:/tmp/tar . |
| 05:30.06 | absentia | damn nice |
| 05:30.08 | absentia | straight down |
| 05:33.18 | absentia | hmmm |
| 05:33.25 | absentia | but now I"m getting some new I/O error |
| 05:33.39 | treke|home | you were getting an io error? |
| 05:34.30 | absentia | before I was getting bad headers |
| 05:34.58 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.00 | absentia | that's what I get now |
| 05:35.13 | treke|home | that's not a tar problem |
| 05:35.19 | treke|home | your having fs problems |
| 05:35.35 | absentia | ya |
| 05:35.41 | absentia | I just tested in /tmp and it's fine |
| 05:36.31 | absentia | I did a umount /usr/mnt.rom/card; cd /sbin; ./mk2efs /dev/mmcda1; ./fsck.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 (said ok), then I physically ejected, and inserted the cart to get it mounted (so the Document dir would be created) |
| 05:36.48 | absentia | then I just cd /usr/mnt.rom/card; mkdir zdebian; cd zdebian and do that wget ... and I got those errors |
| 05:36.55 | absentia | is my procedure not correct for making an ext2? |
| 05:37.01 | absentia | sync |
| 05:37.02 | absentia | ls |
| 05:38.47 | absentia | hmm, now telling me it can't mkefs2 it |
| 05:38.49 | absentia | rebooting |
| 05:43.03 | absentia | treke ? |
| 05:43.08 | absentia | im about to do it again |
| 05:43.11 | treke|home | cool |
| 05:43.14 | absentia | is that not a good precdure? |
| 05:43.28 | treke|home | looks fine to me |
| 05:43.31 | absentia | do I have to reboot after making the new fs? |
| 05:43.40 | treke|home | nope |
| 05:43.41 | absentia | ok |
| 05:43.46 | absentia | I'll try it again. |
| 05:44.17 | absentia | I wonder if I should change the card in /fstab to ext2 instead of auto |
| 05:44.27 | absentia | I vaguely remember somewhere that it doesn't get auto'd right. |
| 05:46.46 | absentia | ok, it's happier now... lets see how far into the tar it gets. |
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| 05:47.24 | absentia | re wiz |
| 05:48.22 | stwizard-z | sup absentia |
| 05:48.39 | absentia | still sitting in front of my z since we last spoke |
| 05:49.03 | stwizard-z | wow |
| 05:49.39 | stwizard-z | i have had mine with me all day but was away from wifi |
| 05:49.52 | absentia | fixed apache 2.0.47 on my solaris 8, fixed openssh everywhere, incoluding the solaris, freebsd, zaurus.... managed to get vnc to work on the 760 (not sure how, really) and now I'm pounding my way through zdebian. |
| 05:49.58 | absentia | ah |
| 05:50.34 | absentia | are ya bored? |
| 05:50.44 | stwizard-z | not too busy... |
| 05:50.48 | absentia | this is private.. but check out m54.spy.org/zaurus |
| 05:50.53 | absentia | that's what I'm working on |
| 05:50.58 | stwizard-z | me? nah |
| 05:51.29 | absentia | ok, I'll put a blocker index back |
| 05:51.47 | stwizard-z | ok, now how do i take that link and put it in opera |
| 05:52.29 | absentia | type it? |
| 05:52.38 | absentia | control-c control-v |
| 05:52.38 | absentia | ? |
| 05:52.41 | stwizard-z | nm, i got it |
| 05:53.02 | stwizard-z | selected it and hit paste in opera |
| 05:53.10 | absentia | ah |
| 05:53.19 | stwizard-z | luv this lil puter! |
| 05:53.19 | absentia | cool |
| 05:53.26 | absentia | 8MB into 41MB and the tar is still going on the zaurus |
| 05:53.29 | absentia | it might just work |
| 05:53.32 | absentia | st: me too! |
| 05:53.51 | stwizard-z | wow you have been busy |
| 05:53.51 | absentia | I have 11 tabs across the top of my screen in qtopia... I actually ran out of room with 96mb /home |
| 05:54.19 | absentia | ya |
| 05:54.27 | stwizard-z | hehehe, you on a 760? |
| 05:54.31 | absentia | I wanna make an iso of the stuff on [t]here that's not my backups and stuff... |
| 05:54.34 | absentia | yup |
| 05:54.49 | absentia | working on filling up my sd now. |
| 05:54.50 | stwizard-z | must be nice |
| 05:55.05 | absentia | man |
| 05:55.07 | stwizard-z | i want one of those |
| 05:55.15 | absentia | even my 700 feels chinsy (sp?) compared to this 760 |
| 05:55.19 | stwizard-z | keep looking on ebay |
| 05:55.34 | absentia | there was one 700 going for like $400 |
| 05:55.38 | absentia | but now you can get them cheaper new/direct |
| 05:55.41 | stwizard-z | 760 should rock, man |
| 05:55.46 | absentia | yup |
| 05:55.47 | absentia | I love it |
| 05:56.26 | absentia | I wonder if one could make a static compiled mame with gcc3 + xscale optimzations... |
| 05:56.28 | stwizard-z | i am on a 5500 right now, typing on built-in kb |
| 05:56.37 | absentia | I Think if I have a working mame ... I'd have everything I'd want |
| 05:56.44 | absentia | right now, I have everything... short of just mame. |
| 05:56.55 | absentia | :-) |
| 05:57.19 | stwizard-z | you do have quite a collection |
| 05:57.41 | absentia | not much for the 550, though. |
| 05:58.33 | stwizard-z | man, you gonna sell isos? |
| 05:58.38 | absentia | no |
| 05:59.00 | absentia | one thing I do know |
| 05:59.03 | absentia | is that I will die poor |
| 05:59.08 | stwizard-z | bah, i'd have bought one |
| 05:59.16 | absentia | well, it will be free |
| 05:59.19 | absentia | if I get that far. |
| 05:59.42 | stwizard-z | hehehe, man after my own heart |
| 05:59.53 | absentia | http://www.zaurusthemes.com/?type=Backgrounds_C7xx/Saucy |
| 05:59.57 | absentia | uploaded some backgrounds there |
| 05:59.57 | absentia | :-> |
| 06:01.06 | stwizard-z | cool, nice penguin |
| 06:01.31 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:01.33 | absentia | treke |
| 06:01.35 | absentia | i/o errors now |
| 06:01.45 | absentia | at 68% done |
| 06:02.02 | absentia | I wonder how the hell I ever got this untarred last time. |
| 06:02.04 | stwizard-z | oh ya, and the pics aint bad either |
| 06:02.16 | absentia | :-) |
| 06:02.20 | absentia | screw this |
| 06:02.32 | absentia | I'm gonna untar on freebsd to cf and then cp to sd |
| 06:02.41 | absentia | maybe it's sustained writes to sd that's causing the problem |
| 06:03.49 | _Psycho | why are all the tumbnail the wrong size ? for the c7xx background |
| 06:04.41 | absentia | wrong size? |
| 06:05.12 | _Psycho | yeah |
| 06:05.29 | _Psycho | they all show squized like in 320x600 |
| 06:05.56 | absentia | not for me |
| 06:06.02 | absentia | are you looking at the non-c700 ones? |
| 06:06.04 | _Psycho | they show in 640x480 ? |
| 06:06.08 | _Psycho | the c700 one |
| 06:06.14 | absentia | not sure |
| 06:06.17 | _Psycho | http://www.zaurusthemes.com/?type=Backgrounds_C7xx |
| 06:06.20 | absentia | I uploaded images in their native stize |
| 06:06.24 | _Psycho | the image usually look good |
| 06:06.26 | absentia | size... I didn't convert them all to 640x480 |
| 06:06.29 | _Psycho | i mean the html page show them |
| 06:06.34 | absentia | ya |
| 06:06.34 | _Psycho | like that |
| 06:06.39 | absentia | not sure about that |
| 06:06.49 | _Psycho | annoying hehe |
| 06:06.53 | _Psycho | its your web page % |
| 06:06.53 | absentia | probably just his icon creation values |
| 06:07.00 | absentia | no |
| 06:07.01 | absentia | not mine |
| 06:07.08 | _Psycho | ah ok |
| 06:07.20 | absentia | hmm |
| 06:07.30 | absentia | wonder if I can format ext2 under freebsd.. bah, I'm sure there is a way. |
| 06:07.48 | _Psycho | http://www.zaurusthemes.com/Backgrounds_C7xx/Landscape/vayalago.jpg |
| 06:07.55 | _Psycho | yeah nice one :) hard to see thought the pim haah |
| 06:08.04 | absentia | :-) |
| 06:08.13 | absentia | ya, that does have a watterfal |
| 06:08.15 | absentia | muahaha |
| 06:08.24 | absentia | I have some others, but they were too large to upload |
| 06:08.32 | _Psycho | you probably dont even see your icons on that backgound hehe |
| 06:08.44 | absentia | ya... the only one that works is 4me |
| 06:09.02 | absentia | and I uave 3tux up now, but even that messed with icons in the middle. |
| 06:10.08 | _Psycho | 3tux look damn good |
| 06:10.33 | stwizard-z | what client do you guys use on the Z? |
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| 06:12.20 | mhes | i flashed my zaurus with openzaurus zImage |
| 06:12.24 | mhes | now the sharp logo comes up |
| 06:12.26 | mhes | and just stays there |
| 06:12.31 | mhes | can i do anything to fix it? |
| 06:12.44 | treke|home | check the faq |
| 06:12.48 | treke|home | pretty sure that is in there |
| 06:13.00 | absentia | client for what ? |
| 06:13.27 | mhes | treke: the OZ one? |
| 06:13.31 | stwizard-z | absentia: irc |
| 06:13.34 | absentia | gaim |
| 06:13.44 | treke|home | mhes: yes |
| 06:13.55 | stwizard-z | i am using irssi, pretty cool |
| 06:14.20 | stwizard-z | hmmm, gaim? interesting |
| 06:14.34 | stwizard-z | have to try that |
| 06:14.40 | absentia | I haven't ever used irssi |
| 06:15.12 | absentia | only thing gaim needs is a tab color change or status bar flash when there is new output... to you or a channel.. |
| 06:15.17 | absentia | other than that, it's pretty damnnice. |
| 06:15.49 | absentia | sync |
| 06:16.01 | treke|home | and keyboard navigation |
| 06:17.30 | absentia | grrr.... now I can't mount the cf under freebsd now that it's ext2 |
| 06:17.39 | mhes | treke: yea, i had zImage.bin, thanks |
| 06:19.45 | _Psycho | abs i use that wallpaper on my c700 atm its not bad its dark and the text is white |
| 06:19.46 | _Psycho | http://www.blizzard.com/war3/wallpaper/wallpaper23.shtml |
| 06:20.12 | _Psycho | and it look impressive how clear and precise when ppl open my pda they like "omg that image is so good" hehe |
| 06:20.23 | absentia | interesting |
| 06:23.18 | absentia | gonna try to untar again. |
| 06:23.44 | absentia | gonna remount with option sync.. and do a sync loop in the background |
| 06:23.46 | absentia | sync |
| 06:24.36 | mhes | anyone got the opera.ipk they could dcc me? |
| 06:25.06 | _Psycho | yeah sec |
| 06:25.16 | stwizard-z | mhes: for what rom? |
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| 06:25.42 | mhes | stew_b: sl-5500d |
| 06:25.50 | mhes | thats psycho |
| 06:25.56 | _Psy | i have opera6.0.ipk i hope that work |
| 06:26.00 | _Psy | yeah well thats me indeed |
| 06:26.06 | _Psy | too lazy to fix other pc dcc |
| 06:26.44 | absentia | you can get the opera ipk from cacko.biz |
| 06:27.00 | _Psy | damn you slow mhes ;)) |
| 06:27.16 | mhes | here i'll quit my leech |
| 06:27.23 | _Psy | hehe no big deal |
| 06:27.23 | mhes | well pause it |
| 06:27.32 | _Psy | too much torrent ? :) |
| 06:27.36 | mhes | nntp :] |
| 06:27.57 | mhes | i'm a huge usenet fan |
| 06:28.04 | _Psy | ah ok |
| 06:28.09 | _Psy | by easynews.com ? |
| 06:28.21 | mhes | uploading 'kill bill' to alt.binaries.vcd |
| 06:28.25 | mhes | naw, i use ultrafeed |
| 06:28.28 | mhes | plus 4 other servers |
| 06:28.32 | _Psy | ah ok dont know them |
| 06:28.39 | _Psy | not a huge fan of nntp |
| 06:28.43 | _Psy | kill bill is cool |
| 06:28.48 | _Psy | stupid thing they spliited it in 2 movies |
| 06:28.52 | mhes | if youre into movies/games/etc |
| 06:28.58 | mhes | nntp is the easiest and fastest |
| 06:29.08 | _Psy | ah yeah, well i rarely download stuff torrent work for me |
| 06:29.10 | mhes | i pay 15/mo and pull 200+gb off my cable |
| 06:29.20 | _Psy | like www.suprnova.org got all i need |
| 06:29.21 | mhes | yah torrents are great for selective stuff |
| 06:29.32 | mhes | you run linux at home too? |
| 06:29.34 | _Psy | 200gb ? hehe |
| 06:29.39 | mhes | yea a month |
| 06:29.44 | _Psy | hmm yeah but on the same pc as this one |
| 06:29.45 | mhes | we have a busy house ;) |
| 06:29.52 | _Psy | there done |
| 06:29.59 | mhes | _Psy: well, if you ever need smtn torrent doesnt have, mldonkey rocks |
| 06:30.11 | mhes | its a centralized interface for about 10 different networks |
| 06:30.11 | mhes | BT included. |
| 06:30.23 | _Psy | mldonkey ? |
| 06:30.26 | mhes | its a server daemon, i got about 10 people using clients on there respective machines |
| 06:30.29 | mhes | leechin on my box |
| 06:30.31 | mhes | its great. |
| 06:30.40 | mhes | kazaa, edonkey, opennap, irc, etc |
| 06:30.42 | mhes | every p2p out there |
| 06:30.47 | _Psy | oh hehe |
| 06:30.47 | mhes | nearly |
| 06:30.56 | _Psy | i see i see |
| 06:31.13 | _Psy | you have a c7xx or 5500 ? |
| 06:31.51 | _Psycho | gonna reboot toher pc under linux |
| 06:32.02 | mhes | 5500 |
| 06:32.06 | mhes | what about you? |
| 06:32.09 | absentia | mhes: you have mp3s? |
| 06:32.34 | _Psycho | ah ok c700, that ipk was from the c700 roms shukoshi one, no idea if that fit under 5500, but i guess so i think its the same stuff (i think) |
| 06:32.41 | absentia | out my 2.6million personal files, mp3s are only about 3000.... |
| 06:32.46 | mhes | absentia : only like |
| 06:32.50 | mhes | 85 gig or smthn |
| 06:32.53 | absentia | hahah |
| 06:32.56 | absentia | YOU LEECH! |
| 06:33.10 | _Psycho | there was a freak at my old job, the guys had like 285 CDs of album of mp3 |
| 06:33.11 | mhes | 70% are scene rls'd, sfv verified :] |
| 06:33.17 | absentia | didja see riaa threatened 204 more people |
| 06:33.25 | absentia | rls? sfv verifiede? |
| 06:33.31 | _Psycho | the guys had like even radio show and stupid stuff in mp3 so useless hehe |
| 06:33.33 | mhes | released |
| 06:33.34 | absentia | wazzat to us non leechers? |
| 06:33.40 | mhes | absentia : you know what md5 is? |
| 06:33.47 | absentia | ya |
| 06:34.04 | mhes | absentia : sfv is the same idea, a list of md5(actually, crcs, but same diff) verifying authenticity for the mp3s. |
| 06:34.09 | mhes | almost everything i get i sfv first |
| 06:34.14 | absentia | nice |
| 06:34.20 | mhes | i had my old linux router all setup to automagically do that |
| 06:34.27 | mhes | but then the hdd died, with my mldoneky setup too :( |
| 06:34.34 | mhes | no dataloss, just programs |
| 06:34.47 | absentia | I converted all my personal cds to mp3 before I moved to nyc |
| 06:34.51 | absentia | then all my cds got stolen |
| 06:34.58 | absentia | and now my cdrs are showing 40% data loss! |
| 06:35.03 | absentia | so I've lost most of my mp3s |
| 06:35.04 | mhes | ouch |
| 06:35.13 | mhes | i leave mp3s on hdd |
| 06:35.20 | mhes | burn all my svcd/vcds |
| 06:35.20 | absentia | ya |
| 06:35.27 | absentia | I thought cds would last |
| 06:35.34 | absentia | so I made 2x backups and sent copies offsite |
| 06:35.39 | absentia | but looks like I'm just sol |
| 06:35.46 | absentia | so now I'm just gonna move to put all my personal data on a zaurus |
| 06:35.48 | absentia | and fuck media. |
| 06:35.54 | mhes | hahah |
| 06:35.57 | mhes | good idea. :] |
| 06:36.17 | absentia | I mean, I only have a small set of core files that I really care about |
| 06:36.19 | absentia | the rest is just fluff. |
| 06:36.30 | absentia | give me roms, emulators, some code... and that's all I need. |
| 06:37.02 | mhes | yea |
| 06:37.04 | absentia | who was it that just came out with a 300GB drive? |
| 06:37.07 | mhes | maxtor |
| 06:37.14 | mhes | i just put 2 in xboxes this past month :] |
| 06:37.19 | mhes | spend,y but work well |
| 06:37.21 | _Psycho | rofl |
| 06:37.22 | stwizard-z | all the world in the palm of your hand |
| 06:37.30 | absentia | st: bingo! |
| 06:37.36 | absentia | and now that I have vnc working |
| 06:37.42 | absentia | I'll be able to http into my pda from anywhere |
| 06:37.43 | mhes | my xbox had every single romset all the way up to n64 on it :( |
| 06:37.44 | absentia | muahahaha |
| 06:37.50 | mhes | well the US releases |
| 06:38.06 | mhes | someone decided to see the case in my car |
| 06:38.15 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.16 | mhes | and decided i didnt need a back passenger window |
| 06:38.20 | absentia | even with mount option sync |
| 06:38.25 | absentia | and a sync loop in the background |
| 06:38.33 | absentia | I *still* can not untar this file without crashing the filesystem! |
| 06:38.41 | absentia | god damn this sucks |
| 06:39.08 | absentia | zaurus [47]> du -s -k * |
| 06:39.08 | absentia | 1 Documents |
| 06:39.08 | absentia | 12 lost+found |
| 06:39.08 | absentia | du: zdebian/etc/ppp/ip-down.d/affix: No such file or directory |
| 06:39.08 | absentia | du: zdebian/etc/ppp/no_ppp_on_boot: No such file or directory |
| 06:39.09 | absentia | du: zdebian/etc/ppp/chap-secrets: No such file or directory |
| 06:39.11 | absentia | du: zdebian/etc/ppp/ip-up: No such file or directory |
| 06:39.13 | absentia | du: zdebian/etc/ppp/ip-down: No such file or directory |
| 06:39.15 | absentia | so useless!!!!!!! |
| 06:39.20 | _Psycho | ext2 partition ? |
| 06:39.25 | absentia | yup |
| 06:39.33 | absentia | I can't rsync to it |
| 06:39.35 | absentia | I can't tar to it |
| 06:39.36 | absentia | I can't cp to it |
| 06:39.45 | absentia | after a while, it just goes belly up! |
| 06:40.13 | stwizard-z | major bummer! |
| 06:40.34 | absentia | I could do a find ... and scp each file over... with a sleep 1 after each... |
| 06:40.37 | absentia | that might take a week! |
| 06:41.05 | stwizard-z | this sd or cf? |
| 06:41.10 | absentia | sd |
| 06:41.12 | absentia | 9674 files |
| 06:41.18 | absentia | that's 3600 x 2.5 |
| 06:41.22 | absentia | 3 hrs? |
| 06:41.25 | absentia | I could start it and go to bed. |
| 06:43.55 | _Psycho | abs, if i need to compile something for qtopia i need the standard QT SDK 1.6.1 or something like that ? any idea ;) hehe |
| 06:44.01 | _Psycho | hmm will check on my c700 |
| 06:44.43 | _Psycho | doesnt help all i know is that i have qtopia 1.5.4 |
| 06:46.48 | stwizard-z | guess sd issues weren't fixed much on c7x0 series, eh. |
| 06:47.34 | mhes | so vfat is the fastest for SD? |
| 06:48.16 | stwizard-z | can't do home on sd with vfat |
| 06:48.42 | mhes | even if root is the home? |
| 06:48.44 | absentia | hmm |
| 06:48.50 | stwizard-z | need links for that right? |
| 06:48.50 | absentia | I think I'll just rsync my way through it |
| 06:48.51 | absentia | heheh |
| 06:49.13 | mhes | ah hm |
| 06:49.53 | stwizard-z | absentia: good luck! |
| 06:50.18 | absentia | I could also probably just tar extract at the point of each failure... might be faster.. and then rsync when done to fix any corruption |
| 06:50.22 | absentia | st: thanks.. I'm gonna need it |
| 06:51.08 | _Psycho | damn been a long time sinc ei updated my debian |
| 06:51.11 | _Psycho | so many updates ;) |
| 06:51.45 | _Psycho | wonder if there is big change between qtopia 1.5.4 and 1.7.0 |
| 06:52.11 | lpotter | yes |
| 06:52.23 | _Psycho | yeah kinda reading the news atm |
| 06:52.26 | lpotter | 1.7 has quicklanch, and services |
| 06:52.59 | _Psycho | lpotter if i want to compile something for my zaurus for Qt, i just need QT/E sdk stuff 3.3.2 ? |
| 06:53.16 | _Psycho | 3.2.2 even or the 2.something ? |
| 06:54.24 | lpotter | 2.95 |
| 06:54.54 | mhes | hm so i insert my d-link CF 802.11b. go into network. set it all up. icon doesnt appear like in sharp. i run 'ifconfig' nothing shows up. dmesg says 'connected' any clue what to do? |
| 06:55.06 | absentia | I think rsync is good |
| 06:55.16 | absentia | it chews cpu and thus throttles the writes |
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| 06:56.11 | absentia | hey offroad |
| 06:56.29 | _Psycho | 2.95 ?i dont see that at all on the TT ftp |
| 06:56.39 | offroadgeek | allo |
| 06:56.45 | lpotter | gcc2.95 isn't there |
| 06:56.53 | _Psycho | either 2.3.7, or the free thing 3.2.2 |
| 06:56.59 | lpotter | oohh qt/e |
| 06:57.00 | _Psycho | im talking about QT/E |
| 06:57.01 | _Psycho | hehe |
| 06:57.09 | _Psycho | i have 2.95.3 i think im fine |
| 06:57.11 | lpotter | if it runs on the sharp rom, use 2.3.2 |
| 06:57.14 | _Psycho | and other gcc3.3.1 |
| 06:57.26 | _Psycho | yeah c760 roms kinda on my c700 |
| 06:57.33 | _Psycho | 2.3.2 ah ok |
| 06:57.54 | _Psycho | 2.3.7 wont do É |
| 06:57.55 | _Psycho | ? |
| 06:57.55 | lpotter | current opie and qtopia both use 2.3.7 |
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| 06:58.09 | lpotter | 2.3.2 is on the sharp rom |
| 06:58.10 | _Psycho | yeah i saw for opie last time |
| 06:58.12 | _Psycho | ok ok |
| 06:58.20 | _Psycho | 1.5.4 qtopia, yeah ok thanks info |
| 06:59.06 | _Psycho | not sure what else i need i want to do a compile of the last CVS of scummvm |
| 06:59.14 | _Psycho | probably SDL not sure |
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| 07:01.28 | _Psycho | abs how do i upload to zaurusthemes.com ? :) |
| 07:01.54 | _Psycho | nm i jsut saw |
| 07:01.57 | _Psycho | stupid question ;) |
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| 08:51.00 | UndrWater | morning George- |
| 08:51.07 | George- | hi UndrWater |
| 08:51.26 | George- | you wouldn't happen to know how the HELL to get the rv350 (radeon 9600 mobility 64mb) working in X would you? |
| 08:51.45 | UndrWater | no...my specialty is nvidia |
| 08:51.53 | George- | bleh |
| 08:52.02 | George- | I'm on PowerPC, so I can't use the ATI drivers :( |
| 08:52.11 | UndrWater | you wouldn't happen to know why opie apps are screwing with my sharp rom do you? |
| 08:52.12 | George- | I'll have to try for fbdev :( |
| 08:52.20 | UndrWater | good luck |
| 08:52.22 | George- | well, don't run Opie apps on the sharp rom :P |
| 08:52.28 | George- | run OZ!!! |
| 08:52.55 | UndrWater | i did run OZ, but it didn't wanna sync with outlook...which i need for work |
| 08:53.11 | UndrWater | i wish i could use OZ....i prefer it |
| 08:53.24 | George- | well, then don't run Opie apps on the sharp rom :) |
| 08:54.06 | UndrWater | funny thing is that one would work...so i'd install another...which worked...so the next one killed everything and i had to do a hard reset :P |
| 08:54.15 | George- | anyway, afaik, OZ does sync with outlook |
| 08:54.49 | UndrWater | i couldn't get it to easily....i'll look into it when i have more time...but i need the calendaring function now |
| 08:55.52 | UndrWater | it suck that it needs to be used for actual work :P |
| 08:56.00 | UndrWater | *sucks |
| 08:57.30 | UndrWater | no ati drivers for powerpc? |
| 08:57.33 | George- | no. |
| 08:57.39 | UndrWater | the bastages |
| 09:04.14 | lpotter | George-: get your powerwhatever yet? |
| 09:04.23 | George- | lpotter: yeh, got it yesterday |
| 09:04.29 | George- | lpotter: compiling the kernel at the moment |
| 09:04.36 | George- | lpotter: was compiling x11 etc all last night |
| 09:04.54 | lpotter | all night? must not be very fast :) |
| 09:04.56 | George- | lpotter: hoping that X11 will work with the radeon 9600 mobility in it |
| 09:05.19 | George- | lpotter: uh, it managed to compile all the packages needed AND kdebase in about 10 hours |
| 09:05.25 | George- | lpotter: much faster than my previous pile of shit :) |
| 09:05.56 | lpotter | I should try kde compile at work |
| 09:06.22 | lpotter | make -p 26 could be very fast |
| 09:06.58 | George- | heh |
| 09:14.31 | _Psycho | yay scummv compiling after all this work hehe |
| 09:14.52 | _Psycho | when i get the executable |
| 09:14.59 | _Psycho | do i need to like arm-linux-atrip it ? |
| 09:15.05 | _Psycho | strip* |
| 09:15.37 | _Psycho | god 5h30am ;) |
| 09:24.25 | lpotter | sure |
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| 09:31.35 | George- | lpotter: DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE!!! |
| 09:31.40 | George- | woops, typo |
| 09:34.12 | lpotter | dratsab |
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| 13:57.47 | MG_Tak | doh |
| 13:57.58 | MG_Tak | gaim's not closing my irc windows |
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| 13:58.58 | MG_Zak | that's kinda weird |
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| 14:14.54 | George`Downstair | just sold my psion 5mx for £103.02 :) |
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| 15:10.12 | absentia | re |
| 15:19.27 | treke|home | morning |
| 15:19.33 | absentia | morn' |
| 15:22.03 | absentia | The former Saddam International Airport now houses Iraq's first Burger King. Part creature comfort, part therapy for homesick troops, its sales have reached the top 10 among all Burger King franchises on Earth in the five months since it opened. The shiny metal broiler spits out 5,000 patties a day. |
| 15:23.34 | treke|home | in other news, the iraq people begin thinking saddam wasn't that bad after all |
| 15:23.59 | sheenmaster | hehe |
| 15:33.51 | absentia | hmm, ok, my rsync got 70mb before it killed the zaurus so bad I had to pull the battery.... but at least I can do a pickup on the rsync! |
| 15:39.32 | MG_Tak | but backups come out to 25 megs |
| 15:43.38 | treke|home | Because it's compressed |
| 15:44.08 | MG_Tak | shouldn't the backups be compressed too though? |
| 15:44.26 | treke|home | depends on format of the backup |
| 15:44.36 | treke|home | and what type of compression was used |
| 15:44.41 | MG_Tak | from the sharp rom |
| 15:46.47 | Disconnect | doesn't it back up ram+flash? |
| 15:47.22 | Disconnect | but the 760 also doesn't seem to do much with the ramdisk |
| 15:47.41 | treke|home | The ramdisk on the c760 is just temp storage space |
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| 15:47.49 | Disconnect | yah |
| 15:47.54 | treke|home | Nothing in there needs to be backed up |
| 15:47.57 | treke|home | unless an app is broken |
| 15:48.12 | Disconnect | on the earlier models its another installation target, right? |
| 15:48.15 | NetAmp | How do I get my Z to do IrDA networking? |
| 15:48.26 | treke|home | Disconnect: There are two ram disks on the earlier models iirc |
| 15:48.39 | treke|home | one is your home directory and one is the temporary storag |
| 15:49.32 | Disconnect | ah ok. so flash more like wince/palm - just the OS and possibly a 'back up core data to flash' option..? |
| 15:49.49 | treke|home | No |
| 15:49.52 | treke|home | flash was read only |
| 15:50.38 | treke|home | Flash had the os data in it, and nothing else |
| 15:51.10 | Disconnect | ok. so its exactly like palm/wince (without the - relatively recent - 'save contacts to flash' option) |
| 15:52.36 | NetAmp | Is the IrDA supposed to be on the wlan0 NIC? |
| 15:52.49 | treke|home | no |
| 15:53.09 | NetAmp | I only have usbd0, eth1, eth0 and wlan0 :S |
| 15:53.41 | Disconnect | MG_Tak: do a backup the easy way - tar cfv /my/backup.tar /my/ramdisk (get it from 'mount') and see how big it is.. that'll give you a straight copy. (hrm. or just use du. du -chx /my/ramdisk will show how much space it should take to back it up..) |
| 16:04.24 | NetAmp | nah it won't find my Nokia 6610 :S |
| 16:05.32 | Disconnect | NetAmp: try beaming a contact to it. that'll at least make sure they can intercommunicate. after that there should be a howto on getting ppp-over-irda going (which is most likely what the phone will support.) |
| 16:06.02 | NetAmp | hm yeah, it did connect on the 'beam' (OBEX) level |
| 16:06.33 | NetAmp | I'll go check the FAQ |
| 16:13.17 | treke|home | so, has anyone noticed the cursor being off in scummvm on the zaurus? |
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| 16:18.17 | Disconnect | did the sync jack change between the US and japanese models? (gonna pick up a serial sync cable. hopefully..) |
| 16:20.34 | stwizard-z | here is a Q for the linux gurus in the house: in my tkcrom fs /etc is symlinked to /home/etc if i cd to /etc and do pwd i get /etc but i am really in /home/etc i was wondering if there was a way to get the actual place in the fs into a shell variable. can ne1 help me with this? (prolly a very simple ans, i hope) |
| 16:21.22 | sheenmaster | it's a pwd switch |
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| 16:22.08 | sheenmaster | IIRC |
| 16:22.12 | stwizard-z | sheenmaster: thanks, checking now |
| 16:22.14 | sheenmaster | but pwd is overridden by most shells |
| 16:22.22 | Disconnect | pwd -P |
| 16:22.32 | Disconnect | (for bash) |
| 16:22.36 | sheenmaster | works in zsh |
| 16:22.56 | sheenmaster | I'll probably cross compile zsh tonight. |
| 16:23.06 | sheenmaster | Anyone else want a copy? |
| 16:23.20 | treke|home | works in busybox also |
| 16:23.29 | stwizard-z | ahhh, yep Disconnect is right, thanks guys |
| 16:23.40 | Disconnect | DIR=`pwd -P` works for me, at least in a test script |
| 16:25.17 | stwizard-z | this will help make a script for ipkg links to diff fs (/mnt/cf and /mnt/card) thanks again |
| 16:25.44 | Disconnect | np |
| 16:25.49 | Disconnect | ipkg still needs all the help it can get ;) ;) |
| 16:27.01 | stwizard-z | hehe, yep |
| 16:33.06 | treke|home | too bad sharp used the old ipkg or you could just use ipkg-link :p |
| 16:33.13 | treke|home | mornin rev |
| 16:33.22 | rev | hey treke man |
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| 16:42.06 | George`Downstair | my bloody powerbook's running at half speed :( |
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| 16:54.45 | Disconnect | treke|home: IIRC there is an new-ipkg package that works w/ the sharp rom. but I haven't tried it. |
| 16:55.02 | Disconnect | George`Downstair: wipe the blood off and reboot..? ;) |
| 17:07.26 | absentia | ok |
| 17:07.37 | absentia | I have zdebian on the zaurus sd... rsynced in |
| 17:07.40 | absentia | but now I can't fsck the device anymore. |
| 17:07.47 | absentia | it says invalid superblock! |
| 17:11.03 | absentia | rsync, crash, reboot, umount, fsck, reboot, repeat |
| 17:11.06 | absentia | that's been the steps. |
| 17:14.37 | Disconnect | hrm. if it says it works on the c700, that'll cover 750/760 as well, right? |
| 17:14.44 | absentia | 'cept for kernels |
| 17:15.00 | absentia | it'shughly probably. |
| 17:15.02 | Disconnect | damn. kernels are everything when you are looking at a cf device ;) |
| 17:15.16 | absentia | what are you looking at? what do you need? |
| 17:16.35 | Disconnect | http://tinyurl.com/rhz2 .. the aerlink cellphone-connector cf card |
| 17:16.42 | absentia | ah |
| 17:16.44 | absentia | can't help there. |
| 17:16.58 | Disconnect | yah. evidently nobody actually owns one (or if they do they haven't made it into google yet) |
| 17:17.08 | treke|home | whee. no car :) |
| 17:17.19 | absentia | ah! |
| 17:17.20 | Disconnect | treke|home: ..? |
| 17:17.31 | absentia | rsync only skips /dev files, and no other files are xferred... I can fsck the sd again, and there are no errors! |
| 17:18.10 | treke|home | absentia: lucky bastard |
| 17:18.27 | absentia | nyc |
| 17:18.37 | absentia | I moved 2 blocks from work... just south of wall street |
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| 17:19.05 | absentia | now I'm in time's square.. and the subwayt comes up in my building (coming home) .. but the station isn't a cross over, so in the morning I actually have to cross the street |
| 17:19.15 | absentia | and, of course, if the wtc was still up, I could have made it all the way to work without going outside. |
| 17:19.27 | absentia | now, I have to walk through the pit each day, but that's no so bad. |
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| 17:35.50 | rev | http://page2.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/b43819176 |
| 17:35.59 | rev | i'd like to play with one of these |
| 17:36.09 | rev | a japanese, non-linux zaurus |
| 17:36.48 | absentia | what os ? |
| 17:37.22 | gerrynjr | sharp is moving away from linux? |
| 17:37.24 | George- | proprietry |
| 17:37.27 | George- | gerrynjr: no |
| 17:37.37 | rev | well |
| 17:37.40 | rev | they probably will |
| 17:37.40 | rev | but |
| 17:37.42 | George- | gerrynjr: Sharp have been making zauruses for years |
| 17:37.57 | rev | all of the Zaurus line ran their own proprietary OS for a long time |
| 17:38.00 | rev | before any zaurus models |
| 17:38.07 | gerrynjr | i'm hoping they stick w/ linux |
| 17:38.07 | rev | there has been many zaurii before the linux ones |
| 17:38.17 | rev | there's a pretty good chance they won't |
| 17:38.28 | fliplap | there was also the Sharp Wizard, which was pretty sweet |
| 17:38.32 | fliplap | since it had a built in modem |
| 17:38.43 | absentia | yup |
| 17:38.44 | absentia | I reember those |
| 17:38.54 | absentia | sharp always had neat "gadgets" |
| 17:39.00 | absentia | but they were always just that |
| 17:39.02 | absentia | gadgets |
| 17:39.02 | rev | i've never used one, i'd like to play |
| 17:39.06 | fliplap | those were sweet in thier day, back when having a built in modem was really really useful |
| 17:39.07 | rev | the one i posted is the same as the SL-5500 |
| 17:39.10 | rev | the hardware that is |
| 17:39.18 | rev | except it doesn't run linux |
| 17:39.21 | gerrynjr | so.. sharp using linux was quite a deviation from thier previous handhelds... |
| 17:39.25 | rev | yes |
| 17:39.32 | rev | the zaurus line was the most popular line of PDAs in japan |
| 17:39.37 | gerrynjr | was |
| 17:39.37 | gerrynjr | ? |
| 17:40.07 | fliplap | freaky, its exactly like the 5500, except without linux |
| 17:43.02 | gerrynjr | almost like sharp had a backup plan the whole time |
| 17:43.42 | absentia | why move away from linux? |
| 17:43.53 | absentia | plus, if you can just flash linux to it, would it really matter? |
| 17:44.09 | absentia | has sharp released the source... as mandated by GPL? or have they still stalled? |
| 17:44.20 | absentia | I could see them using that as a reason to go proprietary. |
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| 17:48.30 | treke|home | absentia: They released the source to some things |
| 17:48.45 | absentia | did they comply? |
| 17:48.53 | treke|home | Probably |
| 17:49.05 | treke|home | I don't know of any complaints about source releases |
| 17:49.11 | treke|home | other than being slow as hell to release |
| 17:49.27 | absentia | ok |
| 17:49.29 | absentia | then that is good. |
| 17:49.39 | absentia | (news... for retaining linux) |
| 17:49.42 | treke|home | I don't know if they released source for stuff like busybox |
| 17:51.14 | treke|home | Other than the kernel, none of the intersting source has been released |
| 17:51.40 | treke|home | including stuff that there isn't a logical reason to keep closed |
| 17:52.04 | absentia | but I think that's ok with the gpl |
| 17:52.22 | treke|home | right. |
| 17:53.18 | treke|home | Though busybox is gpl iirc |
| 17:53.24 | treke|home | so That wouldnt exactly be kosher |
| 17:54.00 | fliplap | did they modify busybox at all? Not that it matters as far as the gpl is concerned |
| 17:54.18 | treke|home | fliplap: Doubt it |
| 17:54.35 | treke|home | even if they did, I doubt andersee would want any of their changes :) |
| 17:55.12 | treke|home | yeah, looking at the web site and they only released kernel source |
| 17:56.33 | absentia | ah |
| 17:56.37 | absentia | didn't know that. |
| 17:59.25 | treke|home | the interesting bits are all pretty much all closed source in qt/e or in the little utilities like chkhinge and writerominfo |
| 17:59.37 | treke|home | and the dtm lib |
| 18:02.15 | Disconnect | there is a growing question about whether you can release a device with kernel and modules without releasing sources to all the modules (since its incorporated into the device and - generally - essential to its function) |
| 18:02.36 | Disconnect | but its just getting started, and its more directed at broadcom wlan drivers ATM |
| 18:03.08 | absentia | I think that's fine. |
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| 18:12.54 | omin0us | anyone alive in here? |
| 18:12.57 | absentia | hi |
| 18:13.14 | omin0us | hey absentia |
| 18:13.16 | omin0us | whats up |
| 18:13.25 | absentia | working on zdebian |
| 18:14.21 | omin0us | what are you doing now with it? |
| 18:15.30 | absentia | just configging it |
| 18:15.35 | omin0us | ahh |
| 18:15.40 | absentia | I just hammered the source onto the sd |
| 18:15.48 | absentia | took almost a day |
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| 18:16.07 | omin0us | i need to get a bigger SD card, so i can get zdebian on it, then use my CF slot for wireless |
| 18:16.44 | omin0us | well, actually, do you think i could do it on a 64 meg SD? |
| 18:18.33 | absentia | no |
| 18:27.24 | fliplap | just get a 256meg, its pretty much the best bang for the buck |
| 18:29.17 | imk|z | i got my 256mb sd for $65 |
| 18:40.19 | George- | dude, I want a CF->IDE adaptor |
| 18:40.29 | George- | then I shove on a 300GB hdd :P |
| 18:40.44 | jdh41 | :) |
| 18:41.06 | treke|home | probably one of the easier things to get |
| 18:43.28 | gerrynjr | wait... I could use my 2.5 inch drive w/ my Z? |
| 18:43.33 | gerrynjr | at a farilt cheap price? |
| 18:43.54 | ChipX86 | George-: yeah, that's not overkill at all |
| 18:44.06 | treke|home | dont think it woul dbe cheap, but probably doable |
| 18:44.54 | treke|home | http://www.dpie.com/storage/cfcada1.html |
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| 18:49.15 | gerrynjr | treke|home> that's the wrong way |
| 18:49.47 | treke|home | ? |
| 18:50.17 | treke|home | ah, so it will |
| 18:50.36 | treke|home | I'm guessing there isn't much demand for the other way :p |
| 18:54.59 | fliplap | compaq is doing it w/ thier ipaq cluster |
| 18:55.31 | fliplap | you'd likely need quite a string of adapters to pull it off tho |
| 18:56.19 | treke|home | I dont think it's technically hard to do, so it might even be custom |
| 19:03.23 | omin0us | i'll get a 256meg SD after i buy my c760 :) |
| 19:10.34 | _Psycho | ibot bk oz |
| 19:10.35 | | i guess oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
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| 20:53.31 | MG_Tak | Someone should make dumb-PDAs |
| 20:53.35 | MG_Tak | for use on company grounds |
| 20:53.54 | MG_Tak | only a screen, input/output and a WiFi card |
| 20:54.04 | MG_Tak | have everything else run remotely |
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| 21:11.01 | absentia | ok |
| 21:11.02 | absentia | zdebian is up |
| 21:11.10 | absentia | I have vnc from freebsd into the qtopia on the 760 |
| 21:11.18 | absentia | *and* vnc into the zdebian ... at the same time. |
| 21:11.27 | absentia | and still actually have some ram left. |
| 21:13.36 | absentia | anyone know how to take a screenshot with freebsd/linux or any linux graphics app ? |
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| 21:16.32 | tux_mike | ibot: botmail |
| 21:16.57 | tux_mike | ibot botmail to kergoth sorry about that, needed to put a new nic in |
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| 21:47.53 | absentia | screenshots going up |
| 21:54.05 | absentia | http://m54.spy.org/zaurus/screenshots/ |
| 21:54.59 | absentia | 760 + cacko rom & kernel, qtopia-vncserver & zdebian(vnc) ... both at the same time. |
| 21:55.17 | ChipX86 | speaking of which, I'm in need of some C7x0 screenshots of qpe-gaim :) |
| 21:55.27 | absentia | I'll do it right now |
| 21:55.36 | ChipX86 | cool, thanks |
| 22:04.01 | MG_Tak | ChipX86: any idea why qpe-gaim might refuse to close some conversation windows? |
| 22:04.05 | MG_Tak | or some might go missing |
| 22:04.16 | ChipX86 | hrm |
| 22:04.26 | ChipX86 | I got a report of that today.. I can't duplicate it yet, but I'm looking into it |
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| 22:04.49 | MG_Tak | ChipX86: try looking into the case where a user is logged on, then logs off, and you try closing the window after they log off |
| 22:04.52 | MG_Tak | I had that problem |
| 22:04.58 | absentia | ok, chip |
| 22:05.05 | absentia | say something in the next 15 seconds to get in the screen capture |
| 22:05.08 | ChipX86 | MG_Tak: ok |
| 22:05.16 | ChipX86 | I like bologna! |
| 22:05.22 | MG_Tak | I also had problems when an irc server sent me info, and that changed the window to irc.freenode.net, and then my previous window to #zaurus didn't show up |
| 22:05.28 | MG_Tak | I don't like bologna |
| 22:05.43 | ChipX86 | MG_Tak: tap-and-hold the conversations button |
| 22:05.52 | MG_Tak | ChipX86: I found that one:) |
| 22:06.11 | MG_Tak | but I'm not sure if that window had disappeared or not because I restarted gaim between the time I found the tap-and-hold thing |
| 22:06.15 | MG_Tak | but still |
| 22:06.22 | MG_Tak | it's a little bit odd that the tab would go away |
| 22:06.31 | MG_Tak | or is that intentional? |
| 22:06.31 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:06.31 | ChipX86 | well it shouldn't go away |
| 22:06.43 | ChipX86 | but there may be multiple "windows" |
| 22:06.45 | ChipX86 | especially if you imported a prefs.xml |
| 22:07.12 | MG_Tak | Oh and.. can you stick something in there to check which version of gaim's running? I know it's available from the ipk installer but.. :) |
| 22:07.30 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 22:07.51 | MG_Tak | ChipX86: it's nice otherwise :D |
| 22:08.01 | MG_Tak | though I couldn't find a way to move a contact from a group to another |
| 22:08.04 | absentia | uploading now |
| 22:10.26 | absentia | start at the end |
| 22:10.31 | absentia | done |
| 22:10.34 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 22:10.48 | ChipX86 | big tabs |
| 22:11.14 | absentia | want me to test any single feature? |
| 22:11.20 | absentia | look at the type location at the bottom |
| 22:11.21 | absentia | too big |
| 22:11.33 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:11.42 | ChipX86 | I need to do some C7x0-specific stuff in there |
| 22:11.58 | ChipX86 | and make those icons bigger in that case |
| 22:12.14 | ChipX86 | and eventually, add support for the Big List |
| 22:12.29 | absentia | it's not too bad... I think the "quit" needs to have a "really quit" |
| 22:12.41 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 22:12.43 | absentia | I hit the "x" to close windows.. and one too many time, and you're out of gaim! |
| 22:12.52 | absentia | I like the thing, it's very very good. |
| 22:12.54 | ChipX86 | going to make an option for that |
| 22:13.32 | absentia | the screenshots show qtopia via vna from my freebsd... on the left.. and zdebian via vncviewer from the freebsd, and inside of zdebian, I have vncviewer vieweing the ztopia desktop on the same device. |
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| 22:13.58 | [BoBuk] | re/hi ppl all. |
| 22:14.17 | AbsentiaZ | hi from zaurus |
| 22:14.32 | AbsentiaZ | testing from zdebian vnc to qtopia |
| 22:14.43 | AbsentiaZ | testing freebs to qtopia ... |
| 22:14.49 | AbsentiaZ | all work. |
| 22:14.57 | MG_Tak | freebs? |
| 22:15.42 | [BoBuk] | does anybody see problem like in my case: then i try switch to openzaurus build from opie.handhelds my c700 just stop on 'Rebooting the system...' ? |
| 22:16.15 | absentia | freebsd |
| 22:16.20 | absentia | I typed too fast or missed the key |
| 22:16.33 | AbsentiaZ | now is the time for all good men to come to thei aid of their country |
| 22:16.37 | AbsentiaZ | source .tcshrc |
| 22:16.52 | absentia | I type "source .tcshrc" in about 1/10 of a second? |
| 22:17.03 | absentia | maybe 4/10s |
| 22:17.03 | absentia | :-> |
| 22:17.17 | absentia | it got all the eys, so I must have missed it the first time |
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| 22:20.48 | [BoBuk] | heh. so nobody known... :( |
| 22:23.48 | absentia | ok |
| 22:23.50 | absentia | this is getting sick |
| 22:24.04 | absentia | now have an ie into the qtopia vnc (can't seem to find the zdebian http) |
| 22:24.10 | absentia | and also have straight vncviewer on pc to zdebian |
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