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| 04:26.07 | Luke-Jr | Anyone here know Chinese so I can say something Brando can understand? =p |
| 04:40.19 | treke|home | he probably speaks good english :) |
| 04:42.06 | ljp | woohoo! I got a desktop computer for home |
| 04:42.22 | ljp | zoom zoom 2.6 gh |
| 04:42.27 | treke|home | now install gnome on it |
| 04:42.35 | treke|home | put gnome on your office computer also |
| 04:42.35 | ljp | gnome? naaa |
| 04:42.47 | ljp | I could.. but... |
| 04:42.53 | ljp | kde is already installed |
| 04:43.05 | treke|home | you'd probably be the office pariah |
| 04:43.24 | ljp | naa. we can use whatever. mos tpeople use kde cause there's a teambuilder applet |
| 04:43.49 | treke|home | maybe blackbox would be acceptable since the author is a troll |
| 04:44.17 | ljp | shows what boxes are working, and you can click on them and show details, such as what file is being compiled |
| 04:44.41 | ljp | everyone has two boxes. one is windows |
| 04:44.58 | ljp | some have macs |
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| 05:09.54 | Luke-Jr | treke: unfortunately not |
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| 05:58.40 | raduga | hi zaurus |
| 05:59.03 | zaurus | sup man |
| 05:59.19 | zaurus | I am not really zaurus, just new to this irc thing |
| 05:59.42 | stwizard | now that is better |
| 06:01.13 | stwizard | ls |
| 06:01.24 | stwizard | ! |
| 06:02.02 | stwizard | ± |
| 06:02.30 | treke|home | ... |
| 06:24.46 | raduga | rm |
| 06:33.41 | ljp | hmm |
| 06:33.46 | ljp | whats irc? |
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| 06:38.42 | Luke-Jr | ljp: LOL |
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| 07:09.29 | stwizard | hey guys does anyone know how to type a page down or page up on the builtin keyboard of the SL-5500? |
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| 15:05.46 | raduga | hi :) |
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| 15:12.46 | gerrynjr | allo |
| 15:13.06 | gerrynjr | raduga> know of any sites w/ some howtos? |
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| 15:22.55 | mjbjr | anyone know of a way to save pics when using 'opera'? |
| 15:27.23 | XavierXeon | hold the pen on the pic |
| 15:28.57 | mjbjr | that brings up a save requestor? |
| 15:29.44 | Luke-Jr | ...why does nothing support C7x0? |
| 15:30.16 | Twiun | ... because Sharp were tardy in bringing out the sources and specs |
| 15:30.48 | Twiun | and because most developers still have 5500's |
| 15:30.49 | XavierXeon | mjbjr: save image, use image as skin etc |
| 15:31.07 | Twiun | Luke-Jr: get them c7x0's and watch support getting added ;) |
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| 15:35.17 | mjbjr | Xavier: got it, thanks |
| 15:35.32 | gerrynjr | thus further retarding c7xxx support :-D |
| 15:35.40 | gerrynjr | it's too bad they never released those in the USA |
| 15:35.44 | gerrynjr | that would have helped support |
| 15:36.46 | Twiun | yeah |
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| 15:44.46 | treke | sharps stupid "assume apps don't work properly" attidude didn't help |
| 15:45.08 | treke | since most qt apps would scale fine |
| 15:45.47 | Twiun | yeah |
| 15:45.58 | raduga | gerry: hm. I can look for howtos if you're interested, though, i'm probably not the best source, since I don't (yet) have a zaurus myself |
| 15:46.01 | Twiun | the people who don't use layouts should be shot anyway |
| 15:46.09 | treke | yup |
| 15:46.24 | raduga | what's a layout? |
| 15:46.27 | raduga | oh |
| 15:46.36 | Twiun | ibot: shoot raduga |
| 15:46.41 | | ACTION shoots raduga in the head. |
| 15:47.11 | raduga | twiun: you wouldn't like any of the apps I hacked together for MS Windows v 1.0 then |
| 15:47.43 | Twiun | raduga: if you're using windows stuff you don't usually have a choice though - you're forgiven |
| 15:47.53 | raduga | basically, wrote directly to video memory; (hey, it worked!) though for some reason they didn't work in > 1.0 anymore |
| 15:48.23 | raduga | twiun: yeah. my choices at the time were "windows" or "dos" or "cpm/86" |
| 15:48.48 | Twiun | raduga: DOS all the way! |
| 15:49.17 | treke | ~shoot Twiun |
| 15:49.20 | | ACTION shoots Twiun in the head. |
| 15:49.25 | raduga | i wasn't aware of minix, and my HD was too small for xenix |
| 15:49.36 | raduga | ibot shoot ibot |
| 15:49.39 | | ACTION shoots ibot in the head. |
| 15:49.39 | treke | no wonder you became a java person, you were rebelling from vba |
| 15:50.26 | raduga | ibot shoot ibot's gun, thereby making it explode, so he can't shoot anymore |
| 15:50.33 | | ACTION shoots ibot's gun, thereby making it explode, so he can't shoot anymore in the head. |
| 15:50.43 | treke | ~kill raduga |
| 15:50.46 | | ACTION slits raduga's throat |
| 15:50.51 | raduga | ow |
| 15:51.37 | raduga | hrm. does Sharp sell replacement flip covers? |
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| 15:53.29 | raduga | assuming they are interchangeable, which I'd suspect they are |
| 15:54.36 | Twiun | it'd be cheaper to manufacture, truly |
| 15:55.00 | pHluid | raduga: The 5600 is a little bit wider than the 5500 isn't it? |
| 15:55.15 | pHluid | Or are they the same width but one is shorter... |
| 15:55.21 | raduga | oh, hrm. I wasn't aware of that. |
| 15:55.26 | raduga | let me check the specs |
| 15:55.33 | pHluid | I know there's a small difference in size between them |
| 15:56.53 | pHluid | Hrm, maybe not? |
| 15:57.13 | pHluid | .1" difference in thickness |
| 15:57.22 | pHluid | But width and height are the same according to Sharp's site. |
| 15:59.26 | raduga | the difference is in the battery, I think |
| 15:59.44 | raduga | 5600 has the larger battery, it bulges out a bit. |
| 16:02.31 | Luke-Jr | raduga: the case flattens it out |
| 16:03.06 | Luke-Jr | What's a flip cover? |
| 16:07.08 | raduga | luke: the plastic screen cover, that flips back |
| 16:07.33 | raduga | luke: as opposed to screen covers that must be removed in order to use the PDA (some ipaqs) |
| 16:07.54 | raduga | the 5600 flip cover is a bit nicer than the 5500s, though, I suspect I might be getting a pair of the latter. |
| 16:22.19 | pHluid | Whoever the dipshit is that decided the 5500 cover should be frosted should be shot. |
| 16:23.01 | fdask | i don't mind it |
| 16:23.17 | fdask | i'm probably in the minority tho |
| 16:30.47 | raduga | pH: i'm sure someone thought it looked prettier that way. |
| 16:31.27 | raduga | frosting is all cool and mysterious... just like the Sharp corporate strategy |
| 16:38.34 | W8TVI | I dont mind the frosted flip cover |
| 16:39.34 | kergoth | of all the many, many reasons to shoot someoen at sharp, frosting the cover is a pretty minor one |
| 16:39.37 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:41.16 | Luke-Jr | ... |
| 16:41.32 | raduga | kergoth: actually, the people at sharp probably have flip cover armor, so shooting them won't do any good |
| 16:43.03 | treke | Luke-Jr: Buy a 5500 |
| 16:43.17 | treke | then follow the instructions on the openzaurus page |
| 16:44.04 | raduga | though the only covers they list on their site ate teh 5500 covers |
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| 16:44.38 | raduga | a 5600 cover for $10 does not sound a bad deal, if I can get one. |
| 16:44.46 | raduga | though kergoth still thinks i should get a C700 :/ |
| 16:45.12 | kergoth | nah, c750 or c760 |
| 16:45.23 | kergoth | c700 will have a pxa250, .. so unless you dont mind the performance hit.. |
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| 16:45.48 | Neo|Work | which you probably would mind. :-) |
| 16:45.55 | Disconnect | get the 760. its what pdas always should have been ;) |
| 16:46.16 | Neo|Work | It's not a pda, it's a nano-laptop. :) |
| 16:46.34 | Disconnect | yep |
| 16:46.37 | treke | more internal storage?! |
| 16:46.45 | Luke-Jr | treke: yea like 20 GB |
| 16:46.46 | Luke-Jr | =p |
| 16:46.50 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: I just wish I'd done sd instead of cf for my reflash+general storage card. |
| 16:47.15 | Disconnect | 750/760 it does, or so its reproted. |
| 16:47.16 | Disconnect | er reported |
| 16:47.19 | Luke-Jr | o |
| 16:47.42 | Disconnect | ..which would let me slap 256M in and forget about it, instead of having to swap between wlan and cf |
| 16:47.59 | Luke-Jr | Too bad they don't make 1G SD |
| 16:48.27 | Disconnect | thats a bit much ;) although I did regularly use a 2g pcmcia hdd on my ipaq |
| 16:48.52 | Luke-Jr | my music collection alone is 3G =p |
| 16:49.01 | Luke-Jr | not to mention anime |
| 16:49.33 | Disconnect | yep .. but for that sort of thing it makes more sense to get a monster mp3 player w/ bluetooth (or w/ usb, plus a usb cf host card for the Z) |
| 16:49.54 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: Maybe the next Zaurus will be everything in one? =p |
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| 16:50.41 | kergoth | heh, i dont want everything in one. i'd be happier with a couple very small devices connected with BT. no pda-phones for me, thanks |
| 16:50.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:50.50 | Disconnect | nah. nobody is gonna pay extra to have usb host on a pda, even in japan. (what are you gonna do, plug a cd burner into it?) |
| 16:50.53 | Luke-Jr | phones are useless anyhow =p |
| 16:51.07 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: No I mean have Z be the music player also =p |
| 16:51.32 | Luke-Jr | And some ppl might want to plug in a CD burner... =p |
| 16:51.45 | kergoth | and get 5 minutes of battery life, no doubt |
| 16:51.46 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:51.58 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: my Z's battery lasts ~24h |
| 16:52.05 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: not burning cds... |
| 16:52.09 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: Don't see how adding storage will affect that |
| 16:52.12 | Disconnect | remember, usb allows a LOT of current draw for devices |
| 16:52.16 | Luke-Jr | o |
| 16:52.17 | kergoth | Disconnect: exactly |
| 16:52.18 | Luke-Jr | for that |
| 16:52.33 | Luke-Jr | what about when on AC tho? |
| 16:52.58 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: and storage affects it a bit. large storage (>1g or so) is gonna be magnetic, which affects it a lot PLUS adds all sorts of new 'fragile' issues (shocks, magnets, etc.. things the Z pretty much shruggs off right now) |
| 16:53.12 | kergoth | i wonder if itd even be able to sustain the necessary thoroughput reading from flash to the burner |
| 16:53.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:53.18 | Luke-Jr | why magnetic? :/ |
| 16:53.19 | Disconnect | on AC, if you can haul a pcmcia or usb cdrw around, you can prolly haul a baby laptop |
| 16:53.34 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: because 2g of magnetic media is -way- cheaper (1/2 to 1/4) than 2g of flash |
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| 16:53.42 | Disconnect | and you are talking 5-10g .. |
| 16:54.00 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: Some people use the Z as their main PC =p |
| 16:54.20 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: 128 MB of magnetic is cheaper than flash too, I'm sure |
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| 16:54.33 | treke | Luke-Jr: those people are fairly odd |
| 16:54.51 | treke | Luke-Jr: probably not, since it's low demand |
| 16:54.56 | Luke-Jr | treke: It wouldn't surprise me if they were fairly common in Japan |
| 16:55.03 | kergoth | heh, the c750 makes a decent pda or a fine network terminal, but thats about it |
| 16:55.04 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: actually 128M of magnetic is not much cheaper, if at all, since you need the reader. go price a small microdrive (1g or so) vs 1g of flash. both cf, etc.. |
| 16:55.27 | treke | Luke-Jr: It would surprise me if it was |
| 16:56.38 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: I do that too, w/ the 256M cf or streaming mp3s |
| 16:57.17 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: If I'm near enough to stream music, I might as well play it on my PC =p |
| 16:58.13 | treke | Disconnect: yeah, streaming is great |
| 16:58.43 | treke | Luke-Jr: I prefer not disturbing my neighbors as little as possible, so streaming audio and head phones work very well |
| 16:58.53 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: depends. I do it outside, eg mowing the lawn ;) |
| 17:00.22 | Luke-Jr | outside? where's that? |
| 17:01.02 | kergoth | the big blue room. surely you've heard of it |
| 17:01.16 | Luke-Jr | =p |
| 17:01.36 | Luke-Jr | You mean it isn't just a rumor? |
| 17:02.05 | Luke-Jr | anyway, I should do some homework now |
| 17:02.19 | Luke-Jr | bbl |
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| 17:18.41 | Obscure^ | erm .. can anyone help with a new sl-760? stuck in one screen in japanese :p |
| 17:20.37 | Disconnect | which screen? |
| 17:20.41 | Disconnect | and when in doubt, just hit next or ok ;) |
| 17:20.54 | Obscure^ | thats the problem .. no buttons ! lol :) |
| 17:21.00 | Disconnect | ....on the keyboard.. |
| 17:21.02 | Obscure^ | want a webcam shot ? |
| 17:21.16 | Disconnect | oh. that is prolly the 'click here to start' .. just tap the screen |
| 17:21.56 | Obscure^ | hmm that did pass my mind. (i pretty much clicked all buttons.. bruteforce style)( |
| 17:22.08 | Obscure^ | when i click on somewhere on the screen with the stylus .. |
| 17:22.24 | Obscure^ | a cross changes position |
| 17:22.35 | Obscure^ | its either in the middle.. or in the corners |
| 17:22.48 | kergoth | you're in the calibration. tap the cross. |
| 17:22.52 | Obscure^ | (im feeling dumb..) |
| 17:23.02 | Disconnect | perhaps thats the touchscreen alignment, that all pdas have done for the past few years? ;) |
| 17:23.11 | Obscure^ | phew ! |
| 17:23.17 | kergoth | well, sharp's recent models normally dont need it |
| 17:23.22 | Obscure^ | thanks .. damn.. i only taped it 2 times before |
| 17:23.24 | Obscure^ | instead of the 5 times |
| 17:23.26 | kergoth | since they store calib constants in flash from the factury |
| 17:23.34 | kergoth | fatory that is |
| 17:23.36 | kergoth | blah |
| 17:23.39 | Disconnect | kergoth: really? neat. |
| 17:23.56 | Obscure^ | btw thanks for the help :) i was expecting some flaming heh |
| 17:23.58 | kergoth | Disconnect: yeah, they no doubt need to calibrate to do diagnostics.. so why not store them? :) |
| 17:24.03 | Disconnect | true |
| 17:24.32 | Disconnect | although you could do diags with absolute readings. 'if top left is less than +10+10, pass' etc.. |
| 17:24.54 | kergoth | not really. |
| 17:25.00 | kergoth | top left could very well be 800, 437 |
| 17:25.02 | kergoth | not 0,0. |
| 17:25.12 | kergoth | coords are only useful relative to one another when raw. |
| 17:25.33 | kergoth | so you can ensure the tendency of the values is to move in a certain direction relative to one another, but thats about it |
| 17:26.08 | Disconnect | well.. its gotta work to some degree or it would have accepted his random tappings as valid calibration input |
| 17:26.30 | Disconnect | either way, storing 'perfect' calibration from the factory beats the heck out of not ;) |
| 17:26.51 | kergoth | uh, no. that is just a sanity check to confirm the calibration transform brings them into a certain tolerance of one another |
| 17:27.02 | kergoth | (we form a rectangle, not an oblique shape) |
| 17:27.10 | Disconnect | ah |
| 17:27.25 | kergoth | argh, my toolchain build blew up in my face |
| 17:27.28 | kergoth | monday sucks |
| 17:28.17 | kergoth | Disconnect: the reason being, that most calibration calculations can only compensate for a certain degree of skew. if its outside that, the calibration transform wont behave as it should, and it can pick that up |
| 17:28.31 | kergoth | i like the way they do that, most calibration routine's i've seen just assume all is happy |
| 17:30.42 | Luke-Jr | which isn't usually the case... =p |
| 17:30.55 | kergoth | yeah, its pretty easy to screw it up |
| 17:30.56 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:31.24 | kergoth | too bad the algo used by the calib routine sucks. wonder if schurig's calibrate2 (based on tslib's calibrator) ever got into opie as primary |
| 17:31.30 | Luke-Jr | especially when you've never used a PDA before |
| 17:31.41 | Luke-Jr | And have no idea what to do |
| 17:31.47 | Luke-Jr | =p |
| 17:31.52 | kergoth | yea |
| 17:32.08 | treke | Luke-Jr: Eh? It probably says something like touch the crosses to calibrate |
| 17:32.24 | kergoth | treke: which dosnt help if you're on a japanese model :) |
| 17:32.25 | Luke-Jr | treke: I'm too lazy to read it. |
| 17:32.29 | kergoth | slacker |
| 17:32.43 | treke | kergoth: right, but that isn't sharps problem :) He's the one who bought the japense pda ;p |
| 17:33.15 | Luke-Jr | I also don't know kanji =p |
| 17:33.34 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 17:41.59 | treke | ? |
| 17:42.16 | Luke-Jr | their calendar crashes if you try to use month view on the C760 |
| 17:42.56 | Luke-Jr | even before I made any changes to the system |
| 17:43.30 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: its not their bug - openssh creates root-owned files in ~zaurus/Documents, which cal-month-view blows up on. |
| 17:43.38 | Disconnect | just chown it back to zaurus.qpe and it works fine |
| 17:43.42 | Luke-Jr | o.O |
| 17:44.04 | Luke-Jr | besides, it'd still be their bug as it should handle it |
| 17:44.32 | raduga | if its behavior "out of the box" then it sounds like Sharp's problem. |
| 17:44.52 | Disconnect | why it only hits cal+month I dunno, but its a bug w/ the openssh-zaurus packages, not sharp's problem.. out of the box everything has proper ownership |
| 17:45.23 | Disconnect | or rather, its caused by openssh doing Bad Things but yes, it should be handled better |
| 17:46.08 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:46.17 | Luke-Jr | only reason it's not sane is cuz the user can rm em |
| 17:46.28 | raduga | openssh is not part of the shipped configuration? |
| 17:46.36 | treke | raduga: no |
| 17:46.40 | kergoth | Luke-Jr: shipping files into a home directory in a package is bad policy, period. |
| 17:46.43 | raduga | ok |
| 17:46.49 | Disconnect | ..unless you are in an app-controlled area (user home dir is fine.. Documents is managed by qpe, so they can set their own rules. and 'owned by the user running the environment' is perfectly a valid rule..) |
| 17:47.05 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: that part is true, but who says I'm not chowning files myself? |
| 17:47.16 | treke | Luke-Jr: Sharp is, since they gave you no way to chown the files |
| 17:47.26 | Luke-Jr | chown command |
| 17:47.37 | Disconnect | chown is shipped with it. |
| 17:47.58 | kergoth | Luke-Jr: i'm not arguing that its not possible, i'm arguing that its bad policy. |
| 17:48.00 | treke | Disconnect: not going to do particularly much without a terminal :) |
| 17:48.11 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: It doesn't need to be caused by a pkg |
| 17:48.17 | kergoth | .. |
| 17:48.21 | Luke-Jr | treke: Terminal comes w/ it also |
| 17:48.23 | kergoth | that doesnt make it good policy |
| 17:48.29 | raduga | and the c760 ships without a console terminal app? |
| 17:48.29 | Disconnect | treke: ..which is available on the cd.. |
| 17:48.37 | Disconnect | raduga: its not installed, its on the cd. |
| 17:48.49 | raduga | that's close, but still Not Good. |
| 17:49.20 | raduga | do they *really* think, that with a full size keyboard, people would be less likely to actually want a terminal? |
| 17:49.22 | Luke-Jr | tossed* |
| 17:49.35 | Luke-Jr | raduga: it's not full size =p |
| 17:49.47 | raduga | fuller size :/ |
| 17:49.49 | Luke-Jr | raduga: it lacks many keys, most annoyingly the ` key |
| 17:49.51 | Disconnect | raduga: for a pda? most people won't use it. most people don't use linux.. but its included, for those who do want it. |
| 17:50.23 | treke | Luke-Jr: It has the ` key |
| 17:50.31 | Luke-Jr | treke: where?!?! o.o! |
| 17:50.50 | Disconnect | for that matter, if you aren't installing "random crap" that they didn't ship, you'll never -need- to chown it. everything goes as zaurus and has the option for 'run as root'... |
| 17:51.10 | Disconnect | treke: yah but how do you get it to trigger. normal is , shift is /, fn is < , shift-fn is { |
| 17:51.14 | Luke-Jr | treke: eh? Ok how do I access it? =p |
| 17:51.23 | treke | Luke-Jr: dunno, It's probably in the manual |
| 17:51.44 | treke | Disconnect: Your using OZ, correct? |
| 17:51.53 | Disconnect | treke: not yet. prolly later this week. |
| 17:51.57 | kergoth | oz's keymap wont be correct, since sharp's console keymaps are never properly populated |
| 17:52.00 | treke | Ah, then you may continue to speek |
| 17:52.39 | treke | Luke-Jr: Dunno. There is probably some key that triggers it. Just because we don't know what it is, doesn't mean it doesnt exist |
| 17:52.58 | kergoth | there are decent open source japanese input methods |
| 17:53.03 | kergoth | ask sukoshi |
| 17:53.14 | Luke-Jr | treke: actually, that's not the ` |
| 17:53.28 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: for Opie? |
| 17:53.34 | treke | looks a lot like a '`' to me |
| 17:53.39 | Luke-Jr | treke: it's a Japanese comma |
| 17:53.45 | Luke-Jr | treke: same as the Jp period |
| 17:53.48 | Disconnect | ..that'd make sense then. |
| 17:54.02 | kergoth | Luke-Jr: yes, it works with opie |
| 17:54.12 | kergoth | Luke-Jr: in fact, someone started persuing its inclusion |
| 17:54.15 | kergoth | Luke-Jr: dont recall the status |
| 17:54.50 | kergoth | then they didnt know about it |
| 17:54.54 | Luke-Jr | hmm |
| 17:54.59 | kergoth | like i said, ask SuKo|Shi, i dont have the url or info handy |
| 17:55.14 | Luke-Jr | SuKo|Shi: ping |
| 17:55.23 | Disconnect | sh-fn-dash |
| 17:55.29 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: ? |
| 17:55.30 | Disconnect | btw |
| 17:55.33 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: for ` |
| 17:55.38 | Luke-Jr | ooh |
| 17:55.40 | Luke-Jr | hidden key =p |
| 17:55.50 | kergoth | wonder if sharp has a keymap pdf for the c7x0 units |
| 17:55.56 | kergoth | that we can use to populate the keymap |
| 17:55.58 | Luke-Jr | Sh-Fn-Backspace == another ~ |
| 17:56.24 | treke | that should be Sh-Fn-Home for ~ |
| 17:56.46 | Luke-Jr | Sh-Fn-Y is also ` |
| 17:56.52 | Luke-Jr | treke: should be |
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| 17:57.06 | Disconnect | sh-fn-y goes 'beep' for me, at least in konsole |
| 17:57.11 | Luke-Jr | o.o |
| 17:57.24 | Luke-Jr | it does ` for me |
| 17:57.43 | Disconnect | dunno. could be the rom mappings. |
| 17:58.17 | Disconnect | (er.. could be affected by hte rom thats loaded I mean) |
| 17:58.54 | raduga | what standard text sizes does the terminal app run at? |
| 17:59.07 | raduga | can you do 80x24 with a semi-readable font, on the 5500? |
| 17:59.15 | raduga | (in landscape) |
| 17:59.36 | Luke-Jr | raduga: 5500 is only portrait... |
| 17:59.52 | raduga | hrm. 5500 can't be rotated? ehh |
| 17:59.54 | treke | raduga: just short iirc |
| 18:00.04 | kergoth | you can do landscape if you dont mind not using the keyboard, or holding it awkwardly |
| 18:00.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:00.22 | treke | raduga: You can get something like 80x15 |
| 18:00.45 | raduga | can't get more than 15 chars though? |
| 18:01.04 | Luke-Jr | raduga: 5500 isn't a notebook-style model |
| 18:01.12 | raduga | I gather that. |
| 18:01.22 | raduga | 240x320 I'm aware |
| 18:01.25 | treke | Luke-Jr: that doesn't mean you can't rotate the screen |
| 18:02.10 | Luke-Jr | Are pixels supposed to go bad fast? :/ |
| 18:02.10 | kergoth | raduga: depends on what font you're using, really |
| 18:02.31 | raduga | though. CGA managed 80x25 in 640x200. so 25 lines in 240 pixels should be possible. |
| 18:02.54 | Disconnect | on the ipaq (320x240 / 240x320) it was barely possible to get 80x24 and it wasn't greatly legible. |
| 18:02.58 | Disconnect | had to rotate tho |
| 18:03.08 | Disconnect | (yes, different device.. but same constraints ;) ..) |
| 18:04.09 | raduga | 4x9 isn't a lot of pixels to work with. |
| 18:04.44 | raduga | with sub-pixel fonts it may be concievable though |
| 18:04.45 | raduga | hm |
| 18:05.08 | kergoth | oz's default pure console font is 4x6 iirc |
| 18:05.13 | kergoth | some people's eyes dont like it much though :) |
| 18:05.48 | raduga | kergoth: that sounds nice to me :) |
| 18:06.18 | Luke-Jr | How do I exit Qtopia? =p |
| 18:07.11 | treke | you ssh in and kill it |
| 18:07.16 | Luke-Jr | o |
| 18:07.29 | kergoth | heh, it doesnt have a shutdown app? |
| 18:07.41 | treke | nope |
| 18:07.47 | treke | they don't want you shutting down |
| 18:07.57 | Luke-Jr | ...and it restarts |
| 18:07.59 | treke | makes sense to me :) |
| 18:08.00 | Luke-Jr | when I kill it |
| 18:08.16 | Luke-Jr | and it starts again |
| 18:08.25 | Luke-Jr | even when I kill it |
| 18:08.35 | treke | your probably killing the wrong thing |
| 18:08.53 | Luke-Jr | qpe? |
| 18:09.06 | treke | there is probably some app running that spawns qpe |
| 18:09.55 | Luke-Jr | why does init 1 crash it? =p |
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| 18:12.54 | W8TVI | why does it hurt when I hold my arm like this? |
| 18:13.16 | Luke-Jr | ... |
| 18:16.22 | raduga | hm. |
| 18:16.32 | raduga | i want one of thse for my zaurus: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1335241,00.asp |
| 18:16.48 | raduga | wonder if sharp could be convinced to put them in a pda? |
| 18:19.16 | Luke-Jr | treke: get a faster CPU and play Quake =p |
| 18:19.22 | Luke-Jr | Actually, it'd be pretty nice if the 3Dness was touchable too =p |
| 18:19.36 | Luke-Jr | 3D w/ 2D touchscreen doesn't sound like it'd work too well |
| 18:20.57 | Luke-Jr | treke: if it's 3D touchscreen, imagine an object-based WM =p |
| 18:21.01 | kergoth | heh, i think one would be better off getting quake using a fixed point impl. |
| 18:21.08 | kergoth | 3d interfaces are overrated |
| 18:21.13 | treke | yes they are |
| 18:21.22 | kergoth | simple is best. simplicity begets efficiency |
| 18:24.03 | Luke-Jr | bleh |
| 18:24.07 | Luke-Jr | looks like it is a bad pixel :( |
| 18:24.29 | treke | bad pixels are normal |
| 18:24.36 | Luke-Jr | O.O! |
| 18:24.38 | Luke-Jr | normal?? |
| 18:24.41 | treke | yes |
| 18:24.42 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:24.51 | Luke-Jr | why |
| 18:25.02 | treke | that's just the way things are with lcds |
| 18:25.19 | Luke-Jr | Most laptops don't have bad pixels... |
| 18:25.23 | kergoth | because its not possible for them to be profitable if they were to attempt to ensure there were _zero_ bad pixels in all lcds |
| 18:25.55 | Luke-Jr | besides, I'd think with the high DPI of a Zaurus, they'd be too small to notice |
| 18:28.06 | treke | apparently you thought wrong |
| 18:28.58 | treke | Luke-Jr: They are commong enough in pretty much all LCDs that retailers have policies on how many bad pixels constitute a defective device |
| 18:29.59 | Disconnect | generally it ranges from 5 to 15 (dell seems to be one of the lowest) |
| 18:31.14 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: invisible on black? |
| 18:32.47 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: even on black, its very close to invisible. its red, towards the top right in landscape mode |
| 18:34.02 | Luke-Jr | topleft for me |
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| 18:39.35 | treke | Luke-Jr: just get over it, the dead pixel isn't going anyywhere |
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| 18:51.22 | Luke-Jr | treke: I'll return it =p j/k |
| 18:51.45 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: lower response time == 4fps =p |
| 18:53.50 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: I mean the lcd pixel response, not the laptop's gfx capabilities. |
| 18:54.24 | Luke-Jr | I do too, I think o.o |
| 18:54.29 | Disconnect | how fast does it light, how long does it stay lit after current is turned off, etc. |
| 18:54.34 | Luke-Jr | o |
| 18:54.39 | Disconnect | 4fps would look like that green-terminal screesaver. |
| 18:54.47 | Luke-Jr | LOL |
| 18:55.25 | Luke-Jr | BTW, do all laptops lack DMA? o.O |
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| 18:55.54 | Disconnect | most modern ones (pci) have dma. |
| 18:56.03 | Luke-Jr | Zaurus doesn't :/ |
| 18:57.03 | Disconnect | zaurus isn't a laptop. |
| 18:57.18 | Luke-Jr | sure it is o.o |
| 18:57.30 | Luke-Jr | but then I consider TI83 a PDA also |
| 18:57.32 | Disconnect | and flash basically -is- dma. the whole point of dma is 'move this data into memory without [much/any] supervision' .. flash is already mapped as memory |
| 18:57.46 | Luke-Jr | It is? o.o |
| 18:57.51 | Luke-Jr | cool |
| 18:58.18 | Disconnect | kernel gurus would have to speak beyond that. |
| 18:59.26 | Luke-Jr | But flash is slower than RAM... |
| 18:59.55 | Disconnect | yep. |
| 19:00.07 | Disconnect | esp for writing |
| 19:00.15 | Luke-Jr | so wouldn't some form of DMA help? |
| 19:00.55 | Disconnect | DMA is for getting data from the device into ram as fast as possible. it has nothign to do with how fast the device can read it in to begin with. |
| 19:00.56 | Luke-Jr | also, I don't think CF/SD cards are mmapped |
| 19:01.18 | Disconnect | ..go read up on dma ;) |
| 19:01.27 | Luke-Jr | ... |
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| 19:34.24 | Disconnect | anyone else notice that their Z can't keep time for sh*t? (specifically a 760) |
| 19:35.06 | gerrynjr | Disconnect> you overclocking it? |
| 19:35.12 | Disconnect | gerrynjr: nope |
| 19:35.51 | treke | Disconnect: nope, not noticed that |
| 19:36.07 | Disconnect | for that matter, I didn't know the 7x0 could be overclocked. |
| 19:36.23 | rev|work | that soudns very bad dicson |
| 19:37.01 | Disconnect | oh and the only thing that might tweak it, one backup cycle (no, it didn't take 2 hours ;) ..) |
| 19:38.08 | gerrynjr | overclocking, in theory, could screw w/ the time |
| 19:38.16 | Disconnect | yah |
| 19:38.49 | Disconnect | but if its doing that, chances are its also corrupting ram and/or making cf unusable; much more noticable effects ;) |
| 19:41.56 | rev|work | not nessecarily |
| 19:42.01 | rev|work | depends on the platform |
| 19:42.43 | Disconnect | afair on the ipaqs (strongarm) everything is tied to system clock, which had to be gently maneuvered when changing cpu clock or Bad Things (see above ;) ..) happened |
| 19:44.11 | rev|work | yup |
| 19:44.16 | rev|work | like i said, depends on the platform |
| 19:44.30 | rev|work | on the dell axim i had, i overclocked with no problem- no effects on CF, SD or clock |
| 19:44.41 | rev|work | on the newton, overclock left everything fine, except clock was fast |
| 19:44.43 | rev|work | like i said, depends on the platform |
| 19:44.55 | kergoth | the fact that you didnt _see_ any effects |
| 19:44.58 | kergoth | does not mean there werent any. |
| 19:45.00 | kergoth | period. |
| 19:45.01 | rev|work | indeed |
| 19:45.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:45.31 | Luke-Jr | it could work fine but have a shorter lifetime =p |
| 19:45.56 | kergoth | or it isnt working fine at all, and you've just been lucky. |
| 19:46.33 | Disconnect | ..or memory refresh went lower but not so low as to trash it (mostly on the ipaq it was slowing the clock, to save battery..) |
| 19:47.00 | Disconnect | er faster I mean |
| 19:47.15 | kergoth | I dont see why people bother messing with the clock speed. lowering it is hardly worth it given its power draw relative to the peripherals |
| 19:47.15 | Disconnect | slowing the clock (and associated devices) tends to have much more rapidly visible effects.. |
| 19:47.27 | gerrynjr | my usb flashdrive has been going funky.. data missing in some dirs... |
| 19:47.34 | gerrynjr | but.. other parts work fine |
| 19:47.35 | gerrynjr | lmao |
| 19:49.07 | Luke-Jr | fsck it |
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| 20:02.00 | conundrum | for open zaurus, do i have to remove .bin extension from zImage as well? |
| 20:03.40 | kergoth | depends on what device you're flashing. |
| 20:03.44 | kergoth | and it has nothing to do with openzaurus |
| 20:03.48 | kergoth | its sharps defined update procedure |
| 20:04.19 | conundrum | ok, well im tyring to flash my sl 5500 |
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| 20:05.35 | kergoth | then read the instructions. |
| 20:05.39 | kergoth | it says rename to zimage. |
| 20:05.45 | kergoth | it does not say rename to zimage.bin |
| 20:05.48 | kergoth | er zImage |
| 20:05.59 | conundrum | so how do i remove the file extension? |
| 20:06.10 | kergoth | huh? |
| 20:06.21 | kergoth | you dont know how to rename? |
| 20:06.27 | kergoth | this isnt computers for dummies, its #zaurus |
| 20:06.33 | conundrum | no no no |
| 20:06.41 | gerrynjr | lmao |
| 20:06.43 | conundrum | dont i have to remove the file extension entirely |
| 20:06.48 | kergoth | yes.. and... |
| 20:06.51 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:06.57 | gerrynjr | mv *.bin * |
| 20:06.59 | gerrynjr | lmao |
| 20:07.01 | raduga | kergoth: if this isn't "computers for dummies" then I think these computers aren't for us. |
| 20:07.24 | kergoth | conundrum: file renaming happens irregardless of extension. |
| 20:07.29 | kergoth | conundrum: you do nothing special. |
| 20:07.29 | conundrum | ? im trying to change it on xp |
| 20:07.36 | kergoth | then disable windows hiding file extensions |
| 20:07.40 | kergoth | and rename the fucking thing |
| 20:07.46 | conundrum | whoa there killer |
| 20:08.06 | rev|work | or do it in dos |
| 20:08.07 | conundrum | jebsus excuse me for not knowing MS hides the extensions |
| 20:08.13 | kergoth | oh i just love teaching people to work around windows behaviors in a zaurus channel. |
| 20:08.15 | raduga | conundrum: screw windows. open a command shell. |
| 20:08.18 | kergoth | thats just so on topic. |
| 20:08.34 | raduga | conundrum: "move filename.bin filename" |
| 20:08.35 | gerrynjr | kergoth> :-D |
| 20:08.38 | raduga | presto-bingo |
| 20:08.43 | conundrum | yea, good point radg |
| 20:09.00 | gerrynjr | kergoth> and I thought I was bad :-D |
| 20:09.38 | kergoth | I guess i shouldnt go into the fact that one could find out how to disable widnows hiding file extensions with a 2 minute google search, eh? |
| 20:09.52 | raduga | conundrum: jesus is more forgiving than us. he's the one who got nailed. we're just the ones holding the hammer. |
| 20:10.23 | rev|work | ah evangilism |
| 20:10.25 | rev|work | even more on topic! |
| 20:10.44 | conundrum | i guess so |
| 20:11.00 | conundrum | i didnt realize help channels were required to lack tolerance no :P |
| 20:11.06 | gerrynjr | raduga> I don't have a hammer in my hand.. I have a zaurus! |
| 20:11.17 | kergoth | if you need windows help, try checking one of the thousands of sites on windows hints |
| 20:11.20 | rev|work | kergoth: most windoze users don't even know that windows hides the extensions... and not knowing that, what would prompt some n00b to look? |
| 20:11.42 | kergoth | 1) realize you cant seem to flash even though its called zimage |
| 20:11.45 | kergoth | 2) email openzaurus-users |
| 20:11.51 | kergoth | 3) kergoth replies saying fix your windows |
| 20:11.56 | kergoth | 4) look into windows help sites |
| 20:11.59 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:12.15 | gerrynjr | kergoth> i've got a friend who once said... "where's the any key" "I deleted internet explorer icon, does that mean I deleted the internet" |
| 20:12.21 | kergoth | and of course they wont check the archives, where this discussion has happened like 50 times already |
| 20:12.25 | gerrynjr | to this day.. he still asks me stupid questions... |
| 20:12.31 | kergoth | cause thatd involve far too much effort |
| 20:12.36 | raduga | kergoth: unfortunately, on the windows sites they'll say "we can't help you with zaurus. go talk to those open sores people." |
| 20:12.42 | gerrynjr | i flipped on him one day.. |
| 20:12.50 | gerrynjr | and tol dhim to use google |
| 20:12.56 | gerrynjr | he's like "what's google?" |
| 20:12.58 | kergoth | raduga: i'm not referring to forums |
| 20:13.08 | kergoth | raduga: there are numerous faq and hint and trick pages |
| 20:13.11 | kergoth | that _will_ have that |
| 20:13.15 | conundrum | kerg, i just wanted to know if and how to change the .bin extension since id already tried changin extensions on xp |
| 20:13.17 | kergoth | say, pc magazine, pc world, what have you |
| 20:13.42 | conundrum | heaven forbid i not realize the extensions are hidden when they are not needed often |
| 20:13.44 | kergoth | conundrum: yes, which is a windows question, which numerous windows resources would have answered |
| 20:13.56 | kergoth | you dont need to know they're hidden to use google. |
| 20:13.57 | gerrynjr | conundrum> do you realize the power kergoth has? |
| 20:13.57 | raduga | kergoth: there seems to be a minimal level of basic computing competence expected for zaurus users. the bar is set disconcertingly high, imo. |
| 20:14.02 | kergoth | i have power? |
| 20:14.06 | raduga | not inappropriately high, just disconcerting at times. |
| 20:14.07 | kergoth | nobody told me this |
| 20:14.08 | gerrynjr | kergoth> OP :-D |
| 20:14.09 | kergoth | damnit |
| 20:14.12 | conundrum | asking if i had to remove the extension for a zaurus image is a windows question? |
| 20:14.14 | raduga | kergoth: i fear you :) |
| 20:14.21 | kergoth | conundrum: yes. |
| 20:14.26 | kergoth | conundrum: what you're renaming is irrelevent. |
| 20:14.33 | raduga | conundrum: it is, because Uunix people don't think in terms of extensions. |
| 20:14.45 | kergoth | you cant remove an extension from any arbitrary file. |
| 20:14.47 | raduga | because extensions are irrelevant in Unix. |
| 20:14.52 | conundrum | well im still adjusting to *nix |
| 20:14.56 | kergoth | the fact that its an image in this case is irrelevent |
| 20:14.57 | gerrynjr | raduga> amen for that :-D |
| 20:15.14 | raduga | conundrum: welcome. |
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| 20:15.53 | conundrum | yea, MS has been spoon feeding users for so long i look at linux and feel stupid |
| 20:16.12 | gerrynjr | conundrum> don't blame your ignorance on microsoft :-D |
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| 20:16.49 | conundrum | gerr, i wouldnt have to learn all these new features in *nix if MS kept up with open source |
| 20:17.13 | gerrynjr | conundrum> please stop... |
| 20:17.25 | raduga | MS uses a different model. its how they make their money. |
| 20:18.18 | kergoth | conundrum: I dont mind ignorance, everybody starts that way. What I mind is people using irc as the first resource, despite their being numerous non-human resources already setup to avoid that. |
| 20:18.32 | kergoth | people's time is valuable, dont consume it unnecessarily |
| 20:18.42 | raduga | open methodologies and processes and idea-sharing are not useful to Microsoft's business model, and so they pursue other strategies. People who are more interested in those things don't eventually abandon MS because they hate Bill Gates, |
| 20:18.49 | raduga | they abandon it because it doesn't suit their needs. |
| 20:19.05 | conundrum | my question was quick if you couldve answered as opposed to bashing me, kergoth |
| 20:19.08 | raduga | kergoth: should i stop babbling? |
| 20:19.21 | conundrum | radgua: no you make sense, i think i should though |
| 20:19.49 | gerrynjr | fight... fight... fight |
| 20:19.54 | conundrum | O.o i like opie already |
| 20:20.11 | raduga | conundrum: one thing to consider. in IRC its *never* considered proper etiquette for new people to bash regulars. You won't win friends that way. |
| 20:20.28 | gerrynjr | conundrum> you get more flies w/ honey :-D |
| 20:20.52 | conundrum | radgua: i know this, but at the same time should i let myself be bashed for not knowing something and wanting to? |
| 20:20.54 | gerrynjr | conundrum> then again... flies will go to shit too.. so it's a bad analogy... |
| 20:21.43 | kergoth | conundrum: the point was a lesson. |
| 20:21.56 | kergoth | conundrum: answering you quickly encourages this wrong behavior. |
| 20:22.30 | conundrum | ker, my apologies next time i wont mistake you for some one willing to help |
| 20:22.40 | gerrynjr | WTF! |
| 20:22.49 | raduga | conundrum: proper etiquette if you're bashed in IRC is to leave the channel or to be quiet and let the basher finish. This *is* a way to win friends and influence people. It may not be ethically or morally appropriate in all cases, but its how the local |
| 20:22.51 | fusion94 | so is kergoth |
| 20:22.52 | raduga | power structures seem to work. |
| 20:23.07 | gerrynjr | conundrum> do some research as to the help kergoth has contributed tot he zaurus community.... |
| 20:23.33 | gerrynjr | conundrum> oh wait... you don't research |
| 20:23.47 | kergoth | conundrum: you're obviously missing the point. I'm willing to help, if you've actually gotten off your ass and tried to find the solution before coming here. |
| 20:23.52 | kergoth | conundrum: I help those who help themselves. |
| 20:24.01 | kergoth | if you want to be lazy, you'll get no help from me. |
| 20:24.34 | treke | That settles it, kergoth has to be god |
| 20:24.51 | kergoth | I think i missed something |
| 20:24.58 | conundrum | w/e ker, i wont even bother responding anymore |
| 20:25.05 | raduga | fortunately, on the freenode network, you're not required to follow the rules, but you'll get better results if you do. If you persist rule-breaking, you'll find that almost nobody wants to talk to you anymore. |
| 20:25.25 | kergoth | indeed. |
| 20:26.05 | gerrynjr | conundrum> had you kept up... you would hae probably been kicked :-D |
| 20:26.15 | gerrynjr | at least.. that's what i've seen from my expereinces |
| 20:26.29 | kergoth | heh, i mean, how many times do I have to explain it before it sinks in? |
| 20:26.47 | raduga | kergoth: try cut-and-paste? |
| 20:26.52 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:26.58 | raduga | or maybe cron |
| 20:27.01 | gerrynjr | kergoth> that portage-based build system looks great :-D |
| 20:27.14 | kergoth | ibot works great for that tiype of thing. store the answer in a factoid |
| 20:27.16 | | kergoth: You are moron #4 |
| 20:27.20 | kergoth | ibot: thanks |
| 20:27.20 | | kergoth: no problem |
| 20:27.50 | raduga | ibot iloveyou |
| 20:27.51 | | raduga: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:28.04 | conundrum | in opie, you just run the package as opposed to going through the installer app? |
| 20:28.31 | conundrum | or does it not make a difference which you do? |
| 20:28.35 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:28.42 | kergoth | we always recommend installing an .ipk |
| 20:28.42 | gerrynjr | conundrum> opie.handhelds.org |
| 20:29.00 | conundrum | good nuff, thanks gerr |
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| 20:33.39 | raduga | dynamism currently lists "the latest zaurus PDA" at $699 but doesn't seem to indicate which model. Is this is C750? |
| 20:34.11 | rev|work | hrmm |
| 20:34.17 | rev|work | likely |
| 20:34.18 | treke | yes |
| 20:34.22 | treke | http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus7xx/pricing.shtml |
| 20:34.23 | rev|work | because the C760 is $799 |
| 20:38.32 | conundrum | you could probably get it for less and still translated on ebay |
| 20:38.49 | rev|work | yup |
| 20:38.58 | rev|work | translation isn't allthat hard |
| 20:39.12 | treke | or you could buy it new for less and translate it yourself |
| 20:39.20 | rev|work | yup |
| 20:39.23 | conundrum | dynamism is cool but really expensive, i look there and if i see something i really want ill go to ebay |
| 20:39.36 | rev|work | conics.net is better too |
| 20:40.47 | kergoth | i really want one of those tiny sharp laptops |
| 20:40.51 | kergoth | like the one with the usb 2.0 cradle |
| 20:41.39 | gerrynjr | kergoth> as do i... |
| 20:41.47 | gerrynjr | I just need the money for one |
| 20:42.05 | gerrynjr | I wonder how well/poor a linux distro would run on it... |
| 20:42.22 | kergoth | probably pretty well |
| 20:42.40 | conundrum | im sure it would do OK, linux is great about new devices |
| 20:42.41 | gerrynjr | if it had a bootable cdrom... or floppy |
| 20:42.58 | rev|work | heh |
| 20:43.16 | gerrynjr | conundrum> linux is not particularly great with bleeding edge hardware... |
| 20:43.32 | conundrum | thats what i meant, gerr |
| 20:43.34 | gerrynjr | in fact... I wait 6 months for the hardware to age.. before I go out and buy it |
| 20:43.49 | gerrynjr | after 6 months.. it's probably supported |
| 20:44.04 | treke | though 6 month aging is probably a good idea :p |
| 20:44.08 | gerrynjr | treke> it's all about educated puchases.... |
| 20:44.34 | gerrynjr | yeah.. and this soyo dragonb plus board has been the most stable box I have ever purchased :-D |
| 20:44.54 | treke | hehe. this MSI was really really unstable when i bought it |
| 20:44.57 | treke | was surprised |
| 20:44.57 | gerrynjr | not the newest hardware... but.. can't beat the stability |
| 20:45.37 | gerrynjr | if I don't get a lappy.. I hope to get a dual opteron... |
| 20:45.40 | gerrynjr | that's next... |
| 20:46.04 | kergoth | mmmm opteron |
| 20:46.28 | gerrynjr | 2 gigs of ram :-D |
| 20:46.32 | Disconnect | gerrynjr: even w/o bootable cd/floppy you can pull the drive, install a base setup on a 'full' machine and then replace the drive |
| 20:46.39 | gerrynjr | Disconnect> true... |
| 20:46.49 | Disconnect | (thats how you get linux onto the older librettos, since the pcmcia fdd only shows as 'real' fdd for about 2.3 seconds after boot..) |
| 20:46.55 | gerrynjr | Disconnect> ide interface is proprietary though :-F |
| 20:47.10 | gerrynjr | it |
| 20:47.16 | gerrynjr | s not your average 2.5 inch drive... |
| 20:47.33 | conundrum | of course not, that way if it breaks you have to go back to them |
| 20:47.57 | gerrynjr | back to whom, conundrum? |
| 20:48.08 | conundrum | the mfgr |
| 20:48.15 | gerrynjr | i'll have you know conundrum, that warranties are useless to me :-D |
| 20:48.44 | conundrum | has anyone but me had bad experience with dell's "award winning support"? |
| 20:48.48 | gerrynjr | I can't remember how many warranties i've voided... |
| 20:49.13 | conundrum | lol, im looking forward to voiding a tivo warranty |
| 20:49.36 | Disconnect | dell isn't too bad. at least for business customers. |
| 20:50.09 | Disconnect | we generally call them, say "yes, we did those tests, its still a dead raid drive [or whatever]" and they go "ok, replacement will be out the door this evening or tomorrow morning, should arrive w/in 24 hours of then"... |
| 20:50.34 | Disconnect | once (dead usbkey thing) they did "well I've never heard of that.. did you test it on multiple machines?" before replacing it ;) |
| 20:50.43 | conundrum | oh once i got through it was great |
| 20:50.51 | conundrum | shipped a replacement out right quick |
| 20:51.05 | conundrum | but it was the 3 hours on hold and being redirected that drove me nuts |
| 20:51.26 | gerrynjr | I tend to stay away from those manufacturers.. I prefer to build myself... |
| 20:51.29 | Disconnect | only takes us 10-15 mins at worst. dunno. |
| 20:51.56 | gerrynjr | Disconnect> I network install would work on that laptop.... |
| 20:52.00 | gerrynjr | a rather |
| 20:52.03 | Disconnect | gerrynjr: ..which makes great sense until you become responsible for 100-200 machines and/or need to light a machine in a week while still doing the standard parts/updates/etc on the others |
| 20:52.11 | Disconnect | yah prolly, if its got onboard eth |
| 20:52.43 | gerrynjr | Disconnect> the university is dropping 50 boxen in my lap tomorrow... |
| 20:52.58 | gerrynjr | fun fun fun |
| 20:53.56 | conundrum | i dont think you can custom build a laptop gerr |
| 20:54.01 | Disconnect | one of the advantages of not building them yourself: we can rack, test and install 30 machines in 2 days (one day, if someone does the system tests first - that eats up 12 hours so we run them overnight) .. maybe more, 30 was the last big adventure. (we = 2 of us, mostly just for racking/cabling) |
| 20:54.13 | Disconnect | sure you can, there's some company that sells shells |
| 20:54.15 | conundrum | well, you could but it would be a mobo glued to a kb, glued to an lcd monitor |
| 20:54.21 | conundrum | are there really? |
| 20:54.29 | conundrum | ill have to google that shit |
| 20:54.44 | gerrynjr | Disconnect> depending on the OS... or linux distro... I could do 30 in 2 days :-D |
| 20:54.50 | Disconnect | mobo + lcd + kbd, everything else is your problem |
| 20:54.55 | gerrynjr | of course.. give me identical configs of all the machines :-D |
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| 20:55.08 | conundrum | anyone know a good way to download ipks through firebird? |
| 20:55.15 | gerrynjr | build one box... install test... build 10 others.. install the mirrored image to those... |
| 20:55.19 | Disconnect | gerrynjr: mix of sco openserver, non-default redhat (often we have kickstart, sometimes not) debian (stable or unstable, mixed) nt4 and a few 2k |
| 20:55.32 | gerrynjr | Disconnect> you mentioned the S** name! |
| 20:55.36 | gerrynjr | **gasp*** |
| 20:55.44 | conundrum | ha sco, that lawsuit is so pointless |
| 20:56.01 | gerrynjr | ctcp conundrum info |
| 20:56.07 | gerrynjr | oops |
| 20:56.36 | gerrynjr | Disconnect> regardless... sco is awful |
| 20:56.58 | conundrum | sco is pitiful |
| 20:57.03 | gerrynjr | thier OS sucks... |
| 20:57.15 | gerrynjr | conundrum> I don't need a YES man! |
| 20:57.42 | rev|work | then we may as well kill anyone who reads slashdot |
| 20:57.48 | conundrum | fine, would you rather i defend sco trying to sue open source users |
| 20:59.17 | gerrynjr | Disconnect> I;m guily of using a sco openserver 4.2 (I think) 30 day trial back in the day... |
| 20:59.24 | gerrynjr | I thought it was aweful |
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| 21:14.41 | conundrum | i realize its late but about self translating a c700 |
| 21:14.42 | conundrum | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1312 |
| 21:15.56 | Disconnect | conundrum: for self-translating c7x0 just get the cacko rom .. then run the shrink-root-fs patch (to make it 25M) and poof, done. |
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| 21:37.03 | rev|work | woot |
| 21:37.15 | rev|work | on the framebuffer |
| 21:37.17 | kergoth | spiffy eh? |
| 21:37.17 | rev|work | and it's swell |
| 21:37.32 | Disconnect | yah that was one of the few apps I could get to do cool stuff on my libretto ;) |
| 21:37.40 | rev|work | it was nice in X, but wanted to make sure it worked well in /dev/fb mode |
| 21:37.41 | rev|work | although |
| 21:37.56 | rev|work | i worry about it on the Z- does someone need to modify it to use the touch screen? |
| 21:38.00 | kergoth | I wisht he console one handled copy & pasting with gpm |
| 21:38.04 | kergoth | and the X one copy & pasting in x |
| 21:38.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:38.10 | rev|work | or does the Z touch screen just spit out to /dev/mouse or whatever? |
| 21:38.11 | kergoth | thats one big gripe of mine |
| 21:38.15 | rev|work | ah |
| 21:38.17 | rev|work | yeah |
| 21:38.23 | kergoth | links doesnt have any ts handling afaik |
| 21:38.28 | rev|work | aw |
| 21:38.29 | rev|work | crap |
| 21:38.35 | kergoth | and theres not much of a standard for ts access |
| 21:38.37 | rev|work | yeah |
| 21:38.39 | rev|work | so i thought |
| 21:38.43 | kergoth | input layer, tslib, ipaq, ucb1x00, sharp, etc etc |
| 21:38.52 | rev|work | that sucks |
| 21:38.52 | kergoth | i'd say teach it to use tslib, since that works on numerous devices |
| 21:39.06 | rev|work | what i should do |
| 21:39.13 | rev|work | is teach it to talk to squeak |
| 21:39.17 | rev|work | and i cuodl use it within squeak |
| 21:39.22 | rev|work | that's be a party and a half |
| 21:39.33 | kergoth | heh, go for it |
| 21:39.46 | rev|work | solve two problems at the same time |
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| 21:39.47 | kergoth | cosmicpenguin got it working in mw, we know it works in directfb and fb and x.. |
| 21:39.53 | kergoth | just need a qtopia gui for it |
| 21:40.24 | rev|work | man, they should've named links something else |
| 21:40.27 | rev|work | it's a pain to searh for info on it |
| 21:40.39 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:42.39 | rev|work | i hate how the C760 takes a while to "warm up" when i turn it up |
| 21:42.41 | rev|work | er on |
| 21:42.43 | rev|work | not on a boot |
| 21:42.49 | rev|work | but when i wake it up from suspend |
| 21:43.11 | MG_Tak | warm up? |
| 21:43.16 | rev|work | sucks ass on a PDA |
| 21:43.19 | rev|work | MG_Tak: yeah |
| 21:43.22 | rev|work | when i hit the power button |
| 21:43.29 | rev|work | the screen turns on instantly |
| 21:43.44 | rev|work | but for like 15 seconds, it is really sluggish |
| 21:43.47 | rev|work | if i switch it on |
| 21:43.51 | MG_Tak | oh |
| 21:43.52 | rev|work | and immediately tap the Q button |
| 21:43.55 | rev|work | nothing happens |
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| 21:44.00 | MG_Tak | yeah |
| 21:44.02 | rev|work | a couple seconds later, the menu slowly draws on |
| 21:44.09 | rev|work | and usually then it thinks i meant tohit suspend |
| 21:44.11 | rev|work | so it goes back to sleep |
| 21:44.17 | rev|work | so i have to turn it on and wait |
| 21:44.18 | MG_Tak | haha |
| 21:44.30 | rev|work | which is a huge pain if you just want to get a note or name or date down |
| 21:44.33 | rev|work | hell |
| 21:44.42 | rev|work | some folks have looekd at my Z and thought it was broken |
| 21:44.46 | rev|work | cuz it kept going back to sleep |
| 21:44.47 | rev|work | and i'm like |
| 21:44.48 | rev|work | no |
| 21:44.52 | rev|work | you have to wait for it |
| 21:44.57 | rev|work | how embarassing |
| 21:47.56 | kergoth | rev|work: that "hang" happens on card insertion as well, even if you're in console |
| 21:48.07 | kergoth | so seems to be something in the pcmcia code |
| 21:48.17 | rev|work | is the hang because it's remounting my SD card? |
| 21:48.47 | kergoth | heh :) |
| 21:48.56 | rev|work | no really |
| 21:48.59 | kergoth | afaict its pcmcia/cf, not sd thats causing the problem. |
| 21:49.01 | kergoth | like i just siad. |
| 21:49.06 | rev|work | derrrr |
| 21:49.06 | kergoth | 16:49 <@kergoth> rev|work: that "hang" happens on card insertion as well, even if you're in console |
| 21:49.09 | kergoth | 16:49 <@kergoth> so seems to be something in the pcmcia code |
| 21:49.17 | kergoth | unless of course you dont have a cf card in |
| 21:49.19 | rev|work | i don't |
| 21:49.19 | kergoth | in which case i have no idea. |
| 21:49.21 | rev|work | heh |
| 21:49.34 | kergoth | does it happen with you in console without qtopia as well? |
| 21:49.43 | rev|work | never tried it |
| 21:49.54 | rev|work | not found any way to quit qtopia in sharp rom |
| 21:50.01 | rev|work | (or to boot into console instead, ala on the 5500) |
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| 21:51.15 | rev|work | this lag happens regardless the SD card is in or not |
| 21:51.18 | rev|work | and it's not quite a hang |
| 21:51.25 | rev|work | more like CPU is at 100% and qt can't get a slice |
| 21:57.08 | kergoth | yeah, thats the behavior i've seen |
| 21:57.11 | kergoth | its really annoying |
| 21:57.22 | rev|work | very |
| 21:57.31 | rev|work | i don't recall seeing that on the 5500 |
| 21:57.49 | rev|work | i may end up installing OZ/opie pretty soon |
| 21:57.50 | kergoth | there are card insertion delays on the 5500, but nothingj like the odd hangs on the c7x0 |
| 21:57.57 | rev|work | yeah |
| 21:57.59 | kergoth | i'd like to look into it when i merge the c7x0 support into the oz 2.4.21 tree |
| 21:58.09 | rev|work | and will try it on OZ, in qtopia and console |
| 21:58.26 | kergoth | cool, just curious |
| 21:58.37 | rev|work | me too |
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| 22:15.28 | kergoth | o |
| 22:15.35 | kergoth | i much prefer /nick as an away mechanism |
| 22:15.45 | rev|work | me too |
| 22:15.48 | rev|work | heh |
| 22:16.19 | MG_Tak_join | damn |
| 22:16.26 | MG_Tak_join | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.31 | MG_Tak | :) |
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| 23:15.50 | _munky | kergoth: are you fully supporting the 5600 yet? |
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| 23:24.35 | _munky | hey |
| 23:24.44 | _munky | does anyone have a free audio player for tkc? |
| 23:28.39 | _munky | anyone here!!?? |
| 23:37.24 | ljp | tkc? |
| 23:37.34 | ljp | the tkcrom you mean? |
| 23:45.19 | _munky | hey |
| 23:45.20 | _munky | yeah |
| 23:45.23 | _munky | thats what i meant |
| 23:45.34 | _munky | xmms wont launch |
| 23:45.46 | _munky | i did get it installed thought |
| 23:45.49 | _munky | *though |
| 23:47.33 | gerrynjr | hmmm.. are front mounted usb ports "powered?" |
| 23:47.41 | _munky | a bit |
| 23:47.52 | _munky | wait |
| 23:47.55 | _munky | yes of coures |
| 23:47.57 | _munky | *course |
| 23:48.05 | gerrynjr | are you positive? |
| 23:48.22 | gerrynjr | ie.. will i be able to plug in a usb hard drive adapter and not have to use the ps/2 power tap? |
| 23:48.42 | _munky | well..its like a normal usb port |
| 23:48.48 | _munky | i take it that you dont build comps |
| 23:49.00 | gerrynjr | it says the adapter is not needed if the port is powered |
| 23:49.01 | _munky | they are plugged in to the same place the rear headers are |
| 23:49.05 | gerrynjr | no.. i do build machines.... |
| 23:49.15 | _munky | ok |
| 23:49.21 | _munky | then thing |
| 23:49.23 | _munky | *thin |
| 23:49.23 | gerrynjr | but.. sometime front mounted usb ports are not powered, I thought... |
| 23:49.27 | _munky | **think |
| 23:49.29 | _munky | no |
| 23:49.39 | _munky | then how would you be able to connect devices to them? |
| 23:49.49 | _munky | anything connected to the mboard has some sort of power |
| 23:49.50 | gerrynjr | so.. i should be fine w/o the ps/2 tap then... |
| 23:49.55 | _munky | i think |
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| 23:59.54 | ljp | the z usb is not a host, only a client |