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| 00:47.06 | TCMAN | hi |
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| 01:16.42 | Taro | hi all |
| 01:16.50 | skitz0 | hello |
| 01:16.52 | Taro | I'm frustrated and in need of help |
| 01:17.13 | skitz0 | been kinda quiet in here tonight |
| 01:17.27 | Taro | most of the software I keep trying to install to my Zaurus doesn't show up in the installer - I'm guessing I need OpenZaurus for it to install? |
| 01:17.43 | skitz0 | are you running OZ? |
| 01:18.08 | Taro | no - sharp roms |
| 01:18.22 | Taro | I can't find an install for OZ for the 5600 |
| 01:18.37 | Taro | :( |
| 01:18.50 | skitz0 | really? ... hmm ... how is the 5600 btw? |
| 01:19.08 | skitz0 | more power i know .... argh argh argh |
| 01:19.16 | Taro | seems fine to me , but I its not much faster |
| 01:20.13 | skitz0 | i havent checked out the OZ site lately ... but i would have thought that there *were* images for the 5600 |
| 01:20.31 | Taro | different chips - they don't compare clock to clock, so the speed increase is marginal, unless you use the new instructions of the CPU for the SIMD stuff |
| 01:20.44 | Taro | nope - 5000 and 5500. |
| 01:20.49 | Taro | I want images for the 5600! |
| 01:20.56 | skitz0 | ah |
| 01:21.04 | Taro | Actually |
| 01:21.42 | Taro | I want some sort of streaming media player (the one on the ROM sucks, and somehow it got deleted anyway) and I need Ethereal (won't install) |
| 01:22.18 | skitz0 | that bytes |
| 01:22.47 | Taro | do you need help? |
| 01:22.50 | Taro | oops |
| 01:22.51 | Taro | wrong window |
| 01:22.52 | skitz0 | kismet started acting up on my 5500 today for some reason |
| 01:22.54 | skitz0 | heh |
| 01:23.05 | Taro | kismet would be nice too |
| 01:23.30 | Taro | I talked the boss into getting this for me cause we do internet security - so running ethereal on it was one of the selling points |
| 01:23.57 | skitz0 | is there a package for the Z? ... i never thought to look for that app |
| 01:24.37 | Taro | Zethereal - I found the ipkg, but it doesn't show up in the installer. Most of the stuff I try to install doesn't |
| 01:25.02 | skitz0 | how are you installing ... CF .. SD?? |
| 01:25.15 | Taro | downloading with Opera |
| 01:25.20 | skitz0 | o |
| 01:25.36 | Taro | I have wired and wireless networks at the house, and a CF card for each |
| 01:25.56 | skitz0 | you ought to try installing it from CF ... maybe that helps ... i know my 5500 is picky about where it looks for ipkgs |
| 01:26.15 | Taro | well, I downloaded the ipkg to the SD |
| 01:26.36 | Taro | other stuff installs |
| 01:26.59 | Taro | when I try it from the command line though it complains about it not being a gzip file? |
| 01:27.15 | skitz0 | ratio of good installs vs. no installs? |
| 01:27.38 | Taro | bad |
| 01:28.11 | skitz0 | hmm ... is the 'file' command on the 5600? |
| 01:28.16 | Taro | why would it make a difference if I download with Opera to the 5600 |
| 01:28.16 | treke|ho1e | something nope |
| 01:28.28 | Taro | or just use the PC to do it? |
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| 01:28.35 | Taro | skitz0: no - no file command |
| 01:28.36 | skitz0 | dunno ... |
| 01:29.05 | skitz0 | can you tar tzvf the package to even view it? |
| 01:29.14 | Taro | hmm |
| 01:29.17 | Taro | lemme look |
| 01:30.50 | Taro | invalid gzip magic |
| 01:31.03 | skitz0 | hmm |
| 01:31.43 | treke|ho1e | ar x |
| 01:31.49 | treke|ho1e | It may not be tarball |
| 01:31.52 | Taro | according to the PC - its a debian package |
| 01:31.55 | skitz0 | may not be |
| 01:32.14 | treke|ho1e | If the pc says it's a debian package in an ar archive of a tar.gz |
| 01:32.37 | Taro | so how do I make it install? |
| 01:33.16 | kergoth | extract it with ar and tar.gz it up. |
| 01:33.29 | treke|ho1e | evening kergoth |
| 01:34.23 | Taro | but when I try to extract it - it only extracts one tiny file |
| 01:34.28 | Taro | wheres the rest? |
| 01:34.40 | treke|ho1e | the rest is in the file. |
| 01:34.40 | kergoth | huh? |
| 01:34.45 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:34.47 | Taro | oh |
| 01:34.48 | Taro | nm |
| 01:34.51 | treke|ho1e | tar and gzip that file and install that |
| 01:34.52 | Taro | there they are |
| 01:34.56 | kergoth | it contains a control.tar.gz and a data.tar.gz |
| 01:35.03 | kergoth | and possibly a debian-revision or something |
| 01:35.06 | Taro | yeah |
| 01:35.18 | Taro | just make a tarball and name it ipk? |
| 01:35.30 | kergoth | ipk is either tar.gz or ar. |
| 01:35.32 | kergoth | yes |
| 01:36.07 | Taro | so, why doesn't the installer recognize ar? Or why do people use it if the installer won't recognize it? |
| 01:36.13 | Taro | I'm confused |
| 01:36.19 | kergoth | sharp uses the old deprecated format |
| 01:36.24 | kergoth | oz uses the new, clean, sane format |
| 01:36.28 | kergoth | oz can handle ipks of either format |
| 01:36.32 | kergoth | sharp cannot |
| 01:36.44 | Taro | but oz won't support my machine :( |
| 01:36.47 | Taro | grrr |
| 01:37.01 | kergoth | so convert the ipks manually |
| 01:37.07 | kergoth | or upgrade ipkg on yoru sharp rom |
| 01:37.14 | kergoth | a more recent one is on zsi somewhere |
| 01:37.15 | Taro | we'll see if that works |
| 01:37.35 | treke|ho1e | we already know it works |
| 01:38.18 | Taro | lol |
| 01:38.24 | Taro | ok |
| 01:39.42 | Taro | nope |
| 01:39.52 | Taro | manually converting it had no luck |
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| 01:41.28 | kergoth | then you did something wrong. the syntax _must_ be exact to work with sharp's installer |
| 01:41.31 | kergoth | for example |
| 01:41.39 | kergoth | it cant have 'control.tar.gz', it should be './control.tar.gz' |
| 01:41.41 | kergoth | iirc. |
| 01:41.50 | Taro | yuck |
| 01:42.14 | Taro | I got a permission denied error |
| 01:42.23 | Taro | changing to root |
| 01:42.33 | Taro | and I get unexpected end of file |
| 01:43.25 | Taro | guess I'll try and download a newer ipkg |
| 01:43.54 | treke|ho1e | kergoth: cool, so tximage is starting to become usable on c760 :p |
| 01:44.33 | Taro | btw, what is this "feed" thing I keep hearing about |
| 01:44.58 | Taro | getting docs on this stuff is a mess - everything is outdated at best |
| 01:45.15 | kergoth | last i checked the official ipkg site would tell you that. |
| 01:45.19 | kergoth | google is your friend |
| 01:45.21 | kergoth | treke|ho1e: nice |
| 01:46.16 | treke|ho1e | fixed the thumbnail display, and am adding it keyboard navigation |
| 01:47.21 | darmou | hi all |
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| 01:52.31 | Taro | anyone know when OZ images for the 5600 will be released? |
| 01:52.59 | ljp | on the internet ;) |
| 01:53.23 | kergoth | when they're ready. |
| 01:53.50 | ljp | oh,. when.. not where.. man I am still asleep |
| 01:55.13 | Taro | no time frame? no hints? |
| 01:55.26 | treke|ho1e | nope |
| 01:56.05 | kergoth | no. |
| 01:56.22 | Taro | *sigh* |
| 01:56.34 | kergoth | if you're that impatient, help. |
| 01:56.39 | darmou | One of the problems I had with oz is that the filesystem because it is no read only got corrupted occasionally and I would have to re flash:( |
| 01:56.40 | kergoth | otherwise be patient. |
| 01:56.49 | W8TVI | Taro: No soup for you! |
| 01:56.53 | kergoth | mine has never gotten corrupted. |
| 01:56.56 | Taro | kergoth: ok - but its gonna take some time for me to catch up |
| 01:57.03 | kergoth | if you screw it up, yes, you have to reflash |
| 01:57.05 | darmou | I don't know if there is any way around the problem |
| 01:57.06 | kergoth | thats the nature of the system |
| 01:57.59 | darmou | I guess regular backups are the way to go then with a recover script |
| 01:58.00 | Taro | so where can I get a list of the issues thats holding up the 5600? Is it just the keyboard problems? |
| 01:59.06 | kergoth | i'd swear the news page says something about only one major issue remaining. |
| 01:59.12 | kergoth | since i recall writing it. |
| 01:59.28 | Taro | well, never know how updated those are :) |
| 01:59.47 | treke|ho1e | Taro: Packages need to be converted from the old build system to the new one |
| 01:59.54 | Taro | k |
| 02:00.08 | kergoth | nothign has changed since september 26th. |
| 02:00.25 | Taro | kergoth: I didn't remember the dates or details |
| 02:00.32 | kergoth | read. |
| 02:00.42 | kergoth | the news page has the entries dated. |
| 02:00.51 | Taro | who has time? I have to find this stupid library file |
| 02:01.11 | Taro | I have to get the essentials installed to justify the purchase of this thing ;) |
| 02:01.13 | kergoth | i'd have more time with people not wasting my time with stupid fucking questions because they cant be bothere dto read. |
| 02:01.59 | Taro | oh geez - well don't let me waste your time. Hell - if you can't answer questions cause you are so strapped for time, try closing the IRC window |
| 02:02.13 | Taro | being rude doesn't help either of us |
| 02:02.37 | kergoth | its common sense. check basic resources before pestering people. |
| 02:02.41 | kergoth | basic nettiquite |
| 02:02.44 | kergoth | try it sometime. |
| 02:02.57 | Taro | uhmm .. dude |
| 02:03.07 | ChipX86 | Taro: imagine getting asked questions that are easily available on the sites that people worked hard to set up every single day, knowing that said people haven't even attempted to find it, and therefore choose to take up further time from the developers by asking the questions over and over |
| 02:03.15 | Taro | hold up |
| 02:03.24 | kergoth | precisely. |
| 02:03.25 | darmou | Taro irc is not just about answering questions it's about dialoging about collaboration |
| 02:04.05 | ljp | I thought it was about wasting time, and cracking jokes |
| 02:04.14 | Taro | I didn't come in here asking for in-depth knowledge about the openembedded architecture and to be a developer (although I do plan on helping after I read all the docs you are talking about) |
| 02:04.15 | darmou | ljp :) |
| 02:04.27 | Taro | I just wanted to know why I couldn't install the ethereal package I downloaded |
| 02:04.42 | ChipX86 | Taro: I know how it feels from your end. Very unfair. However, I know kergoth's end. Also very unfair. This is something I have to deal with in the gaim project on a daily basis, some typical 30+ times per day. If the answer is available online, read those first. After you're certain you understand them all, I'm sure the developers would be willing to answer further questions |
| 02:04.47 | kergoth | you obviously went far afield in asking foolish questions about OZ releases then. |
| 02:05.24 | Taro | for someone that just purchased a Sharp Zaurus and is trying to find software for the thing you are aksing a bit much |
| 02:05.35 | kergoth | checking openzaurus.org is a bit much? |
| 02:05.41 | kergoth | oh no, not opening the web browser! |
| 02:05.43 | kergoth | eek. |
| 02:05.49 | Taro | kergoth: yeah - cause I actually figured out that there is such a thing as openzaurus - its not really advertised much |
| 02:06.05 | ChipX86 | Taro: where would it be advertised? |
| 02:06.11 | kergoth | and that applies to your subject at hand, your laziness, how exactly? |
| 02:06.17 | treke|ho1e | Taro: It's not much to ask that you check the website, you obviosuly found out it existed |
| 02:06.25 | Taro | figuring out that the package I downloaded requires openzaurus is a bit much too |
| 02:06.34 | kergoth | i told you that. |
| 02:06.39 | ljp | zsi is agreat place to find zaurus software |
| 02:06.41 | kergoth | then you proceeded to waste time |
| 02:06.53 | ljp | time is relative, man |
| 02:06.53 | darmou | Google is where it's at, that is where I found out about zaurus stuff |
| 02:07.08 | Taro | ljp: I found zsi but there is no warning that most of the packages won't work with Sharp ROMs |
| 02:07.22 | treke|ho1e | s/most/some/ |
| 02:07.27 | kergoth | so talk to the ipk creators or the zsi folks about it then. |
| 02:07.30 | ChipX86 | Taro: that's not the experience I've had |
| 02:08.16 | Taro | darmou: I found alot of this information as well, but talking to a person to get the latest info is often a big help when the web sites are often out of date |
| 02:08.21 | kergoth | hehe, i love how he jumps from topic to topic avoiding the question of why he couldnt check the website before pestering me. |
| 02:08.28 | Taro | kergoth: I did! |
| 02:08.28 | kergoth | whee. |
| 02:08.47 | kergoth | ah, you didnt understand it then? the statements werent clear enough for you? |
| 02:08.56 | kergoth | seems pretty clear cut to me |
| 02:08.58 | Taro | why are you so fucking pissed? Cause I asked if there were any other issues oither than the keyboard one? |
| 02:09.10 | Taro | that seems like a valid question |
| 02:09.12 | kergoth | because you're asking questions that are already asked elsewhere. |
| 02:09.13 | kergoth | er |
| 02:09.14 | kergoth | answered |
| 02:09.25 | Taro | it was a clarification |
| 02:09.30 | ljp | he's gumpy as he used to work in tech support |
| 02:09.36 | Taro | get a fucking grip dude |
| 02:09.38 | kergoth | "there is only one major issue remaining" requires clarification? |
| 02:09.40 | treke|ho1e | ChipX86: Is the sf bug page the preferred location for pizza problems? |
| 02:09.50 | kergoth | funny, considering you're the only one who needs clarification. |
| 02:09.50 | treke|ho1e | err, gaim problems |
| 02:09.53 | Taro | kergoth: if you don't want to talk to me - then don't |
| 02:09.55 | ChipX86 | treke|ho1e: pizza problems? :P |
| 02:10.00 | Taro | quit being an asshole |
| 02:10.02 | ljp | mmmm pizza |
| 02:10.07 | treke|ho1e | Sorry, just thinking of dinner options |
| 02:10.09 | ChipX86 | treke|ho1e: thanks. Now I'm hungry |
| 02:10.11 | kergoth | but i _like_ being an asshole, and i'm trying to make a point |
| 02:10.16 | kergoth | dont waste developers time. |
| 02:10.22 | Taro | fuck off |
| 02:10.28 | ChipX86 | treke|ho1e: yeah, qpe-gaim's bug reports should be at www.sf.net/projects/qpe-gaim, and gaim's at the gaim one |
| 02:10.40 | treke|ho1e | k |
| 02:10.48 | kergoth | funny how users jump to insults rather than logic |
| 02:10.53 | kergoth | avoid the subject, then insult |
| 02:11.05 | ChipX86 | kergoth: you should idle in #gaim for a couple of days. You have it easy here ;) |
| 02:11.12 | kergoth | hah, i bet |
| 02:11.28 | ChipX86 | someone came in wanting us to walk him through installing redhat a few days ago |
| 02:11.36 | kergoth | hah |
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| 02:11.48 | ChipX86 | then got really upset that we said we support gaim but not redhat, and to ask the redhat people |
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| 02:12.18 | treke|ho1e | maybe before trying to report a bug, I should read the faq :p |
| 02:12.46 | ChipX86 | what bug is it? |
| 02:13.15 | treke|ho1e | The "moron forgot gconv-modules" problem :p |
| 02:13.19 | ChipX86 | ah :) |
| 02:13.23 | ChipX86 | very common |
| 02:13.35 | treke|ho1e | you could consider fixing dependencies |
| 02:13.41 | ChipX86 | yeah, doing that in 0.3 |
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| 02:14.17 | ChipX86 | I screwed up on them somehow |
| 02:14.23 | ChipX86 | haven't checked what I did wrong yet :) |
| 02:14.34 | kergoth | maybe space seperated instead of comma |
| 02:14.34 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:14.36 | kergoth | thats a common one |
| 02:14.43 | kergoth | (comma is correct) |
| 02:14.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:14.48 | ChipX86 | very possible.. |
| 02:18.06 | Taro | where should libpcap go in the filesystem? /usr/lib or somewhere else? |
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| 02:22.10 | Taro | suppose I'm supposed to find that on the web too |
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| 02:22.23 | treke|ho1e | hmmm. apraently oz's gconv-tiny isnt sufficient |
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| 02:23.18 | Taro | hmm .. and this isn't even the OZ or OE channel, this is the plain old zaurus channel |
| 02:23.19 | Taro | shit |
| 02:24.49 | Pentad | Hello all, does anybody have glibc version 2.2.4 on their Z Or perhaps the ipk? |
| 02:25.15 | kergoth | 2.2.5 isnt sufficient? |
| 02:25.28 | Pentad | I compiled YAPE for the Z but its plumb unhappy with my version of glibc. :-( |
| 02:25.31 | Taro | is there someone around thats willing to help someone new to the Zaurus (but not Linux) get ethereal installed? Its a 5600 |
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| 02:31.52 | Taro | anyone know where to find gmodule lib? |
| 02:32.07 | kergoth | gmodule is part of glib |
| 02:32.13 | kergoth | along with gthread, gobject, etc |
| 02:32.24 | Taro | k - thanks |
| 02:32.28 | kergoth | np |
| 02:33.20 | Taro | ack! |
| 02:33.31 | Taro | my zaurus stopped responding to scp :( |
| 02:34.13 | treke|ho1e | hmmm, I wonder how I can handle memory constraints |
| 02:37.25 | Taro | ok - now it says the QT/Embedded data directory is not owned by user 0 ,,, any idea where the QT/Embedded dir is on the Sharp ROMs? |
| 02:37.50 | kergoth | out in /tmp iirc |
| 02:38.36 | Taro | hmm |
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| 02:39.49 | Taro | now running it from the comm,and line does nothing :( |
| 02:41.54 | Taro | sharp installer does nothing |
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| 02:48.08 | Taro | shit |
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| 03:05.10 | Marsupilami23 | Thanks, I'll try not to step in it |
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| 03:12.02 | Taro | looks like there is no way to get Ethereal on here with the Sharp ROMs |
| 03:12.23 | fliplap | i use it on OZ |
| 03:12.46 | Taro | yeah, no OZ for the 5600 yet |
| 03:13.39 | Taro | so now I have to figure out if I should take it back and get the 5500 or not |
| 03:15.46 | treke|ho1e | If the 5600 has the hardware you want, don't |
| 03:16.00 | treke|ho1e | The next OZ release *will* support the 5600 |
| 03:16.52 | Taro | well, I haven't had time to research what all all is different in the CPU. Its the software that I got the machine for - and ethereal is one of the major ones |
| 03:17.50 | kergoth | of course you can get ethereal onto sharp. |
| 03:18.16 | Taro | kergoth: I gave it my best shot - and its not longer giving me error messages - it just doesn't run |
| 03:18.26 | Taro | so I'm out of options |
| 03:18.48 | Taro | and yes I searched the web - but I'm not ready to start on making a cross-compiler just yet |
| 03:19.14 | Taro | so unless you know of someone that can help, I'm SOL |
| 03:22.38 | Taro | gonna try this modified ROM again |
| 03:37.01 | Taro | kergoth: can I use a 5500 zImage on the 5600? Or is there some way to get the developement/buggy 5600 kernel? |
| 03:37.31 | kergoth | the oz users mailing list archives have links to people's unofficial oz images for the 5600 |
| 03:37.38 | kergoth | if you arent using oz, you can rip apart the sharp rom |
| 03:37.43 | kergoth | download it, use romburst to rip it apart |
| 03:37.47 | kergoth | one of the files is a zimage |
| 03:37.54 | kergoth | err, i was thinking wrong |
| 03:38.08 | kergoth | you wont need to do any of that, it'll be already split |
| 03:38.09 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:38.17 | Taro | I have the sharp image ... and its split |
| 03:38.22 | Taro | already been playing with it |
| 03:38.49 | kergoth | ah, k. then yeah, look at the unofficial images |
| 03:39.07 | Taro | will the sharp zImage work with the OZ root fs? |
| 03:39.23 | kergoth | theoretically |
| 03:39.27 | kergoth | there isnt much different at this point |
| 03:39.52 | kergoth | just the oz one changes the kernel cmdline, makes it stop obeying the sharp bootloader's cmdline, and other minor bits |
| 03:40.20 | Taro | hmm .. I'll try it |
| 03:42.06 | Taro | looks like there is no rootfs for the 5600 either, so I'm guessing its mailing list time? |
| 03:45.09 | treke|ho1e | for the c700 we learned it wont :) |
| 03:45.46 | Taro | what won't? sharp zImage with a OS root? |
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| 04:10.29 | Taro | hmm |
| 04:10.44 | ljp | hmm |
| 04:10.51 | W8TVI | humm |
| 04:11.15 | Taro | look like the that didn't work |
| 04:11.40 | Taro | so glad I got this little portable USB SD reader |
| 04:13.42 | Taro | wondering if 2 smaller SD cards would have been better than the two big ones though |
| 04:14.06 | Taro | I should write a boot menu to boot from different partitions on the SD card |
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| 04:15.47 | linux-c | hello! i succesufull complete a serial port programm for linux, works on Qtopia emulator too, but on my Zaurus don't work, why? |
| 04:16.08 | Taro | hmm |
| 04:16.15 | linux-c | after i run it, i have check my zaurus with stty -a and say 38400 |
| 04:16.32 | linux-c | why my progy have't chenge the baudrate? |
| 04:17.33 | Taro | dunno - but let me know how things go - as one of the things I need my Zaurus for will be serial |
| 04:17.56 | Taro | Need a ppp cable connection for something we're designing |
| 04:18.14 | linux-c | i have a serial cable specialy for zaurus |
| 04:18.49 | linux-c | by the way, i need 9600 bps for my communication |
| 04:19.10 | linux-c | and after i run my progy, stty report 38400 bps... why? |
| 04:19.34 | Taro | dunno - I just got this thing |
| 04:19.34 | linux-c | kergoth! i know you know why! |
| 04:21.24 | Taro | got a new ROM on there that looks like it may work for me |
| 04:21.40 | Taro | anyone tried the Zynergy ROM? |
| 04:22.51 | Taro | I'm hoping the changes will make it easier to install other stuff |
| 04:23.32 | linux-c | i only can install OZ with my CF... sry |
| 04:25.41 | kergoth | not all tty settings are sticky. |
| 04:25.48 | kergoth | non-sticky settings arent retained across port close |
| 04:26.03 | kergoth | so, app open() .. change rate .. close() -> back to default |
| 04:26.18 | kergoth | either that is the case here, or you arent the only process on the port. do an fuser to ensure nothing else has the port open |
| 04:26.24 | treke|ho1e | man, you are just damn good with the serial port support |
| 04:26.33 | treke|ho1e | maybe you should take a job doing it |
| 04:26.39 | linux-c | wait a sec |
| 04:28.54 | linux-c | how to run fuser? |
| 04:29.04 | linux-c | fuser -a /dev/ttyS0? |
| 04:31.12 | linux-c | say 187 204 205 |
| 04:31.20 | linux-c | what means that |
| 04:31.21 | linux-c | ? |
| 04:31.30 | kergoth | those are process ids |
| 04:31.36 | kergoth | of processes that have the port open. |
| 04:31.48 | kergoth | you dont want anythign running but your application, as they could interfere |
| 04:33.03 | linux-c | hmm ps -ax say next thing: |
| 04:33.26 | linux-c | 187 /usr/sbin/pppd |
| 04:33.50 | linux-c | 204 sh -c /usr/sbin/chat |
| 04:34.12 | linux-c | 205 /usr/sbin/chat -f |
| 04:34.23 | linux-c | what to do to remove this things? |
| 04:34.41 | linux-c | i don't think i need them... i need only usb support for z |
| 04:34.55 | kergoth | iirc its a line in the /etc/inittab on sharp |
| 04:35.02 | kergoth | find it, comment it out, and reboot or run 'init q' |
| 04:35.15 | linux-c | wait a sec, pls |
| 04:36.35 | linux-c | hmm i don't find any /usr/sbin/chat here |
| 04:36.41 | linux-c | where to look? |
| 04:39.49 | kergoth | look for anything related to ppp |
| 04:39.53 | kergoth | chat is a script called by pppd. |
| 04:43.56 | linux-c | hmm... can't find this chat |
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| 04:46.50 | kergoth | ? |
| 04:46.54 | kergoth | did i tell you to look for chat? |
| 04:46.55 | kergoth | no, i didnt |
| 04:47.03 | kergoth | i said find the ppp item in inittab and comment it out |
| 04:47.24 | linux-c | wait, i found it |
| 04:47.39 | linux-c | file is called serial.conf |
| 04:47.52 | linux-c | in /etc/sync/serial.conf |
| 04:48.19 | kergoth | no doubt. and there should be an item in inittab that starts it all |
| 04:48.39 | linux-c | it's a exec /usr/sbin/pppd /dev/ttyS0 connect "usr/sbin/chat -f |
| 04:48.46 | linux-c | shall i comment this line? |
| 04:49.02 | kergoth | that line is in serial.conf? |
| 04:49.07 | linux-c | yes |
| 04:49.12 | kergoth | you soundt comment that |
| 04:49.16 | Taro | ok I know I heard something about the Socket 10/100 ethernet driver. Where did I see it, and how do I make it work? |
| 04:49.17 | kergoth | you should find whats starting it |
| 04:49.43 | linux-c | how? |
| 04:49.48 | kergoth | grep? |
| 04:49.53 | kergoth | cat? |
| 04:50.14 | kergoth | grep around for serial.conf |
| 04:50.17 | kergoth | find what pulls it in and where |
| 04:50.27 | kergoth | and prevent that from being executed |
| 04:50.58 | linux-c | shit, i can't save this file |
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| 04:54.57 | linux-c | and i can't kill that proceses? |
| 04:56.04 | Carkus | linux-c: are you log'ed in using a superuser account/root ? |
| 04:56.54 | linux-c | yes |
| 04:57.08 | kergoth | again, if it started from inittab, killing them will just result in them being respawned. if its started from elsewhere, killing will be more useful |
| 04:58.41 | linux-c | text editor from Z is a shit... i can't save file |
| 04:59.08 | Carkus | try from the command line |
| 04:59.17 | Carkus | using vi |
| 04:59.21 | kergoth | if you cant save it has nothing to do with the editor |
| 04:59.29 | kergoth | you're probably editing files on the first, read only, flash partition |
| 04:59.47 | linux-c | ahh... damn |
| 04:59.55 | linux-c | and what now? |
| 05:00.06 | kergoth | mount -o rw,remount / |
| 05:00.08 | kergoth | edit file |
| 05:00.09 | kergoth | save file |
| 05:00.13 | kergoth | mount -o ro,remount / |
| 05:00.19 | kergoth | so you dont accidentally mess it up |
| 05:00.27 | linux-c | pwee... ok thx, let me try!:) |
| 05:01.30 | linux-c | aghhh... permision denied |
| 05:02.36 | kergoth | ? |
| 05:02.38 | kergoth | run 'whoami' |
| 05:02.39 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:02.58 | Carkus | doesnt the gui run as non-root ? |
| 05:03.19 | linux-c | whoami > root |
| 05:03.22 | Carkus | cant remember if that was oz of sharprom tho =) |
| 05:03.28 | Carkus | of/or |
| 05:05.27 | Taro | sharp rom runs as user zaurus |
| 05:09.57 | linux-c | don't work... |
| 05:10.04 | kergoth | "don't work" |
| 05:10.08 | kergoth | one of the most useless statments |
| 05:10.14 | kergoth | elaborate |
| 05:10.46 | linux-c | well.. i have try to modify the file, saved ok, reboot, but after that file is intact |
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| 06:06.56 | Taro | hm |
| 06:08.00 | Taro | what package is qpe-base in? |
| 06:08.50 | Taro | nm |
| 06:08.55 | Taro | found one |
| 06:09.31 | Taekero | ljp: riding the netsplits grabbing your stomach? |
| 06:09.40 | Taekero | :P |
| 06:10.10 | ljp | ya |
| 06:10.16 | ljp | and I just ate lunch |
| 06:10.27 | ljp | well. not just, actually |
| 06:10.34 | ljp | few hours ago |
| 06:12.50 | Taekero | whats more interesting, an internet radio stream i'm listening to goes down durring the netsplits also |
| 06:14.26 | ljp | hmmm |
| 06:14.37 | ljp | thats a bit odd |
| 06:16.12 | ljp | no pun intended |
| 06:18.55 | Taekero | i'm assuming the traffic is going through the same router |
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| 07:22.55 | Taro | anyone know why xmms gives the error: could not allocate 529200000 bytes |
| 07:23.09 | Taro | why would it try? Thats way too much RAM |
| 07:31.56 | Taro | ok - next question |
| 07:32.24 | Taro | can ipkg download packages and find them for me? I'm wearing google out |
| 07:32.31 | Taro | dependencies are killing me |
| 07:41.39 | ChipX86 | this is all discussed in documentation |
| 07:49.17 | Taro | could you give me a link? |
| 07:49.30 | Taro | the ipkg page doesn't tell me crap |
| 07:53.10 | ChipX86 | google for ipkg feeds |
| 07:53.26 | Taro | how do you use em? |
| 07:53.43 | Taro | telling me to look shit up on google isn't helping |
| 07:53.46 | Taro | I already tried that |
| 07:53.48 | ChipX86 | use a graphical package manager |
| 07:53.51 | Taro | I wouldn't be here if that worked |
| 07:53.53 | ChipX86 | put them in there |
| 07:53.58 | ChipX86 | then you're not reading |
| 07:54.01 | Taro | *sigh* |
| 07:54.03 | ChipX86 | it worked surprisingly well for me |
| 07:54.12 | Taro | dependencies aren't being resolved |
| 07:54.17 | ChipX86 | docs.zaurus.com may have some stuff to help you |
| 07:54.29 | Taro | and I've looked at 20000 sites trying to get the versions I need |
| 07:54.36 | ChipX86 | you need to use your graphical package manager and put the feeds in there, update, and install |
| 07:54.43 | ChipX86 | OZ's package manager is far better than Sharp's |
| 07:54.51 | Taro | I don't have OZ |
| 07:54.57 | Taro | I can't use OZ |
| 07:55.05 | ChipX86 | I was simply saying that OZ's package manager is far better than Sharp's |
| 07:55.08 | ChipX86 | why? |
| 07:55.15 | Taro | 5600 |
| 07:55.26 | ChipX86 | ah |
| 07:55.46 | ChipX86 | what are you trying to run? |
| 07:56.15 | Taro | well, most of the stuff I wanted came with a ROM I downloaded that is kinda a hybrid of stuff thats out there |
| 07:56.28 | Taro | including a better ipkg, but command lie only version |
| 07:56.41 | Taro | I need to get ethereal working, and I'd prefer xmms or something |
| 07:56.46 | Taro | the default media player is gone |
| 07:56.47 | ChipX86 | yeah, if you start using stuff like that, you'll likely run into issues |
| 07:56.50 | Taro | and it sucked anyway |
| 07:57.03 | ChipX86 | well xmms never worked for me |
| 07:57.03 | Taro | I tried it from the sharp ROM and it was worse |
| 07:57.14 | Taro | I mainly want ethereal |
| 07:57.19 | ChipX86 | can't help you there |
| 07:58.05 | Taro | the dependecies go back to glibc, and the one I have needs libc6 thats much older, so I need a newer glibc or an older libc6 ... arghhh |
| 07:58.18 | Taro | I hate dependencies |
| 07:58.21 | ChipX86 | not much you can realyl do there |
| 07:58.33 | ChipX86 | dependencies are a part of life. They do exist for a reason |
| 07:58.33 | Taro | I'm so spoiled using gentoo |
| 07:59.03 | Taro | on gentoo, you never have to worry about it - its all compiled from source |
| 07:59.12 | ChipX86 | only because people take care of it for you |
| 07:59.27 | ChipX86 | there's no main, standard repository for the zaurus that all developres must adhere to |
| 07:59.44 | ChipX86 | and with gentoo, it's just gentoo |
| 07:59.50 | ChipX86 | with the zaurus, there's a whole bunch of distributions/ROMs |
| 08:00.01 | ChipX86 | so one can't really compare the two |
| 08:00.09 | Taro | I wasn't comparing |
| 08:00.15 | ChipX86 | that's why I said one, not you |
| 08:00.37 | Taro | just surprised that ipkg doesn't download dependencies somehow |
| 08:00.48 | ChipX86 | because it's an old, not very well developed program |
| 08:01.01 | Taro | I have the one from OZ |
| 08:01.20 | Taro | just no GUI for it - according to the ZSI there isn't one |
| 08:01.28 | ChipX86 | yet there is one |
| 08:01.31 | ChipX86 | it's part of OZ |
| 08:01.36 | Taro | everyone tells me to read the docs, but the docs conflict |
| 08:01.38 | Taekero | woohoo, i got ampd-3.2.0-6 to compile |
| 08:01.44 | ChipX86 | because you can't just mix-and-match |
| 08:01.51 | Taro | and when I come here to ask, I get yelled at for not reading the docs |
| 08:01.54 | ChipX86 | it's like taking gentoo and redhat docs and complaining that they conflict |
| 08:02.06 | ChipX86 | Taro: you need to read the docs specific to the system you're using |
| 08:02.13 | ChipX86 | you're mixing and matching. Things aren't working. I'm not all that surprised |
| 08:02.17 | Taro | there aren't any |
| 08:02.22 | ChipX86 | yes, there are |
| 08:02.27 | ChipX86 | and they're easy to find |
| 08:02.34 | ChipX86 | I gave you one source for them. Another is the OZ site |
| 08:02.44 | Taro | uhmm |
| 08:02.46 | ChipX86 | now, I'm going back to work |
| 08:02.50 | Taro | dude |
| 08:02.55 | Taro | you people are nuts |
| 08:02.58 | ChipX86 | ? |
| 08:03.05 | ChipX86 | hey, if you can't accept help, that's your own fault |
| 08:03.09 | Taro | no dude |
| 08:03.15 | Taro | you just told me you can't mix and match |
| 08:03.15 | ChipX86 | we're under no obligation to help |
| 08:03.25 | Taro | and now you want me to go to the OZ site? |
| 08:03.31 | Taro | I just told you I can't run OZ |
| 08:03.32 | ChipX86 | I told you of various sources |
| 08:03.35 | ChipX86 | and said to pick what's appropriate |
| 08:03.39 | Taro | nothing is |
| 08:03.41 | ChipX86 | so start listening to me or stop complaining |
| 08:03.45 | Taro | I'm stuck with Sharp ROMs |
| 08:03.53 | ChipX86 | yes, things are. You just apparantly are having a real trouble understanding |
| 08:03.53 | Taro | not OZ |
| 08:03.58 | ChipX86 | that's why I gave you the URL to the docs you need |
| 08:04.01 | ChipX86 | so READ what I say |
| 08:04.53 | Taro | huh? |
| 08:05.08 | ChipX86 | follow the damn instructions |
| 08:05.17 | ChipX86 | I pointed you to what you need. Go read it. I'm done |
| 08:05.19 | Taro | docs.zaurus.com is the only URL you gave. It will help me get Ethereal on my Zaurus? |
| 08:05.20 | Taekero | Taro: yes, there is a lack of information on the 5600 |
| 08:05.30 | ChipX86 | no, it will help you with ipkg |
| 08:05.33 | ChipX86 | and other stuff |
| 08:05.36 | ChipX86 | go bug the ethereal people |
| 08:05.37 | Taro | *sigh* |
| 08:05.46 | ChipX86 | I don't use or support ethereal |
| 08:05.54 | Taro | damn |
| 08:05.57 | Taro | I didn't ask you to |
| 08:06.08 | Taro | why is this channel so rude? |
| 08:06.16 | ChipX86 | it's really not |
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| 08:09.00 | Taro | maybe not compared to some linux channels |
| 08:09.31 | ChipX86 | Taro: the problem seems to be that you're not taking the advice given, and are overly upset that we're not providing the answers you want |
| 08:09.55 | ChipX86 | many of us are developers of individual programs or users. We're not Sharp tech support. We can't give you all the answers |
| 08:11.09 | Taro | Uhmm ... I'm used to people that help. Like ... "yes, ipkg can do that" or "no - it doesn't". Or better yet, "Add a list of servers to /etc/foo.conf" to make taht work |
| 08:11.39 | ChipX86 | for the very last time, Taro, I gave you links to places that told you how to do that |
| 08:11.41 | Taro | you guys are telling me I need OZ, and then telling me I can't run it, but read all the docs on all the sites, but only the ones specific to my installation |
| 08:11.48 | ChipX86 | if you cannot follow the instructions, why should we even try helping you? |
| 08:12.04 | Taro | your a debian guy huh? |
| 08:12.05 | ChipX86 | I did NOT tell you that you need OZ. I told you that the OZ site has docs, and I told you where to find the Sharp docs, which had ipkg info |
| 08:12.24 | ChipX86 | actually, I'm a Debian, Red Hat, and Windows XP/2000/2003 guy. Why? |
| 08:12.50 | ChipX86 | are you going to take some cheap shot? |
| 08:13.38 | fdask | haha |
| 08:19.48 | Taro | its usually the debian guys that think "rtfm" is helping |
| 08:20.01 | ChipX86 | it's people who know what they're doing who think that |
| 08:20.17 | ChipX86 | we are not going to hold your hand. You're a grown-up boy now. You can read your own documentation, especially when we tell you exactly where it is. |
| 08:22.04 | Taro | still looking for it |
| 08:22.12 | Taro | answering my question would save me so much time |
| 08:22.16 | ChipX86 | it would take up my time |
| 08:22.19 | ChipX86 | and I'm quite busy |
| 08:22.25 | ChipX86 | i'm losing sleep |
| 08:23.08 | ChipX86 | but I'm so sorry to inconvenience you. I should have gone to the site myself, read the text, and rephrased it so you would understand it |
| 08:24.25 | Taro | yeah - arguing with me takes up so much less time than a yes or no |
| 08:24.31 | ChipX86 | no |
| 08:24.36 | ChipX86 | satisfied? |
| 08:24.51 | Taro | problem is that you don't know the answer - in which case, you should just not talk at all |
| 08:24.56 | ChipX86 | I do know it |
| 08:25.01 | ChipX86 | I won't hold your hand |
| 08:25.17 | ChipX86 | I do that enough with gaim users. I'm not doing that right now |
| 08:26.13 | Taro | I don't care about your gaim problem. It seems to work well enough with some minor problems, but this is a bit bigger than gaim |
| 08:26.31 | ChipX86 | what is? The fact that your 5600 isn't letting you install some packages? |
| 08:26.35 | Taro | no where do I see where it says how to configure ipkg to automatically download dependencies |
| 08:26.42 | ChipX86 | that's a damn shame |
| 08:27.01 | Taro | and you say that you know the answer, biut won't tell me? |
| 08:27.08 | Taro | I could be looking for something tyhat doesn't exist |
| 08:27.15 | ChipX86 | I told you where to find the answer |
| 08:27.20 | ChipX86 | if you can't find it, that's not my fault |
| 08:27.24 | Taro | just because you won't say if the feature exists or not |
| 08:27.27 | Taro | well, guess what |
| 08:27.29 | ChipX86 | it DOES exist |
| 08:27.30 | ChipX86 | and I told you where to find it |
| 08:27.44 | Taro | FINALLY |
| 08:27.48 | Taro | an answer |
| 08:27.54 | Taro | only took me hours |
| 08:27.57 | ChipX86 | I gave you it a long time ago. You just seem to have a problem with reading |
| 08:28.09 | Taro | no - you never said if it would do that |
| 08:28.13 | ChipX86 | yeah, I did |
| 08:28.30 | Taro | and you could have told me how 20 times, but you'd rather be a prick |
| 08:28.44 | ChipX86 | rather be a prick? By telling you where to find info on how to do it? |
| 08:29.07 | ChipX86 | man, if this were #gaim, you'd be banned long ago.. you're unbelievable |
| 08:29.36 | Taro | its your attitude |
| 08:29.40 | Carkus | Taro: you got your answer.. just shut up.. if you wanted a pda that was was to use, get a ppc or palm |
| 08:30.21 | Taro | I love that answer .. the "you aren't one of us" so go away and buy something else |
| 08:30.36 | ChipX86 | how did you get that out of what he said? |
| 08:31.38 | Carkus | i think we have seen that he cant read.. |
| 08:31.42 | ChipX86 | yes |
| 08:32.52 | Taro | no I can't ... "that was was to use" doesn't go through my parser |
| 08:33.36 | Carkus | meh.. s/was/easy |
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| 08:34.27 | Carkus | thats what ya get for changing sentences after writing em |
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| 08:37.59 | fdask | jeepers |
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| 08:45.28 | k1ll | http://screenshots.scorpionn.com linux/unix screenshots & cool Wallpapers :D |
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| 08:57.04 | irvke | http://justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113830 |
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| 13:33.45 | ISokol | hello everybody |
| 13:34.19 | ISokol | i hve some problems installing c700 drivers for Windows xp |
| 13:34.44 | ISokol | can anybody helps me |
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| 13:42.46 | ISokol | ? |
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| 15:55.28 | Luke-Jr | Got my Z :) |
| 15:55.35 | Luke-Jr | Anything I need to do before I start charging it? |
| 15:55.38 | Luke-Jr | I put the battery in |
| 16:05.49 | Luke-Jr | How do I remove the stylus o.o |
| 16:06.19 | treke | with your fingers |
| 16:06.29 | Luke-Jr | how tho? o.o |
| 16:06.33 | Luke-Jr | it doesn't want to come out |
| 16:06.36 | treke | You pull |
| 16:06.43 | Luke-Jr | I tried |
| 16:06.51 | Luke-Jr | o wait |
| 16:06.56 | Luke-Jr | that's not the stylus o.o |
| 16:07.08 | Luke-Jr | what is it then, I wonder |
| 16:07.16 | treke | oh that. |
| 16:07.27 | treke | It's a piece of glued on black plastic |
| 16:07.38 | Luke-Jr | o |
| 16:07.46 | Luke-Jr | How do I get the Z into the case? o.o |
| 16:07.51 | Luke-Jr | that thing is in the way? |
| 16:08.28 | MG_Tak | hi treke |
| 16:09.02 | Luke-Jr | That black plastic is in the way of the case's latch thingy |
| 16:09.43 | treke | or it could upen the opposite direction :) |
| 16:09.44 | treke | open |
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| 16:10.12 | treke | flip the unlock switch and pull it the other way |
| 16:10.22 | Luke-Jr | What unlock switch? |
| 16:10.33 | treke | the only one on the back of the device |
| 16:10.45 | Luke-Jr | That took the battery cover off |
| 16:10.53 | Luke-Jr | the black plastic doesn't want to move tho |
| 16:11.13 | treke | It isnt supposed to move |
| 16:11.19 | Luke-Jr | But... |
| 16:11.30 | Luke-Jr | there's a thing on the case I got for it that goes there |
| 16:12.06 | Luke-Jr | A hook thing |
| 16:12.43 | Luke-Jr | And the case's instructions say to do something w/ it |
| 16:12.55 | Luke-Jr | "KURIPPU" |
| 16:12.58 | treke | do what with it? |
| 16:13.17 | Luke-Jr | dunno |
| 16:13.18 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: you got the one you waited a week or so for? |
| 16:13.26 | Luke-Jr | It has an arrow pointing at it in a pic |
| 16:13.27 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: yea |
| 16:13.57 | Disconnect | cool deal. did you ever get tracking info for it or did it just show up? |
| 16:14.26 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: got tracking, but FedEx idiots didn't even knock or ring door bell |
| 16:14.47 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: ask him =p |
| 16:14.50 | Disconnect | I was looking forward to watching it cross the globe |
| 16:14.52 | Disconnect | yah gonna do so |
| 16:15.14 | Luke-Jr | If I scan the instructions can someone read it? |
| 16:15.55 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: friend of mine reads japanese. gonna take mine to him and ask him to help me out ;) |
| 16:16.29 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: can you give me a quick pointer into the kernel/initrd/etc feed I'll need? I had it but konq crashed (and it hasn't got the handy 'restore session' that galeon does..) |
| 16:16.42 | treke | Disconnect: just follow the directions on the 2 dozen websites, you don't need to read japanese to conver it |
| 16:17.06 | Disconnect | treke: yah thats not the issue. its more a 'just cuz' .. |
| 16:22.37 | Disconnect | well.. where the feed would be if it was populated ;) |
| 16:23.09 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: fyi http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/viewtopic.php?t=483 has everything from open-box to reflashing a now-translated english rom |
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| 16:34.10 | Luke-Jr | treke: there instructions for the case? |
| 16:34.25 | treke | Luke-Jr: I dont know what case you have |
| 16:34.47 | Luke-Jr | treke: PDair's C760 |
| 16:35.00 | treke | I didnt buy one, I don't know anything about it |
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| 17:09.07 | STWizard | hello |
| 17:14.20 | rev|lib | yo yo |
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| 17:15.36 | STWizard | sup |
| 17:20.56 | STWizard | anybody here using the new tkcROM? |
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| 17:30.18 | rev|lib | nnope |
| 17:30.20 | rev|lib | a new-new one? |
| 17:30.22 | rev|lib | or the original tkcrom? |
| 17:33.06 | STWizard | there is a version 1.0 that i am using now |
| 17:33.30 | STWizard | I read a message that Proto is working on a new version |
| 17:34.27 | STWizard | I was wondering about the ipkg manager and its default lack of sd and cf install support |
| 17:34.55 | rev|lib | what about it? |
| 17:35.28 | treke | let's all say it together, "ipkg sucks" |
| 17:35.59 | STWizard | ok, do you know if that ipkg is the one in the new 3.1 sharp rom? and if not can you tell me how to update the config file to make the links like OZ does |
| 17:36.18 | STWizard | treke, sup man, i remember you from the OZ channel |
| 17:36.44 | STWizard | shall i get another package manager for tkcROM? |
| 17:36.58 | treke | STWizard: iirc, the gui package manager is what made the links, not ipkg |
| 17:38.58 | Luke-Jr | rev: hey |
| 17:39.20 | Luke-Jr | rev: any idea how to (re?)move the Clip thing |
| 17:39.24 | Luke-Jr | that black plastic thing |
| 17:42.19 | rev|lib | Luke-Jr: huh? |
| 17:42.36 | treke | rev|lib: The thing that looks like a stylus on the back of the c760 |
| 17:43.12 | Luke-Jr | rev: what treke said :) |
| 17:44.53 | rev|lib | ah |
| 17:44.59 | rev|lib | you can just snap if off |
| 17:45.03 | rev|lib | it's pretty easy |
| 17:45.08 | rev|lib | but i'm not sure why you would want it gone |
| 17:45.31 | rev|lib | but it comes off and can go back on |
| 17:45.34 | rev|lib | i've done it meself eh |
| 17:45.34 | Luke-Jr | O.O! |
| 17:45.34 | Luke-Jr | Will it go back on? |
| 17:45.36 | Luke-Jr | rev: case |
| 17:46.03 | Luke-Jr | Oh yay |
| 17:46.04 | Luke-Jr | Thx |
| 17:46.52 | Luke-Jr | Perfect |
| 17:47.18 | rev|lib | why? |
| 17:47.22 | rev|lib | get a case that needs it? |
| 17:47.25 | Luke-Jr | yea |
| 17:47.28 | Luke-Jr | it snaps on w/ it |
| 17:47.28 | rev|lib | which one? |
| 17:47.30 | rev|lib | cool |
| 17:47.32 | Luke-Jr | PDair |
| 17:47.33 | rev|lib | i thought those looked neat |
| 17:47.43 | Luke-Jr | Anyway, thx a lot |
| 17:47.46 | Luke-Jr | :) |
| 17:47.54 | Disconnect | Luke-Jr: how you liking it so far? |
| 17:48.02 | Luke-Jr | Disconnect: haven't got a chance to actually use it |
| 17:48.10 | Luke-Jr | I was going insane trying to figure out how to shutdown before |
| 17:48.15 | Luke-Jr | then I realized it would be pointless |
| 17:48.18 | rev|lib | shutdown? |
| 17:48.21 | rev|lib | just hit the pwoer button |
| 17:48.23 | Luke-Jr | rev: complete poweroff |
| 17:48.23 | Disconnect | heh. check that link for the translation stuff |
| 17:48.28 | rev|lib | you don't have to bash$ poweroff |
| 17:48.32 | rev|lib | yank out the battery |
| 17:48.35 | rev|lib | that'll do it |
| 17:48.43 | Luke-Jr | rev: but it'll wipe the data so it's pointless =p |
| 17:48.45 | rev|lib | why did you want to do that tho? |
| 17:48.51 | rev|lib | it won't wipe the data |
| 17:48.52 | Luke-Jr | cuz I wanted to save power =p |
| 17:48.53 | rev|lib | to do a shutdown |
| 17:48.55 | rev|lib | hahaha |
| 17:48.57 | rev|lib | luke |
| 17:48.58 | Luke-Jr | rev: it won't wipe the docs? |
| 17:49.00 | rev|lib | two things |
| 17:49.10 | rev|lib | 1. it will not wipe your data. your data is stored on flash, not RAM. |
| 17:49.16 | treke | Luke-Jr: running shutdown wont save that much more power |
| 17:49.19 | rev|lib | 2. it does not waste battery to put it in stand-by |
| 17:49.21 | Luke-Jr | o |
| 17:49.25 | rev|lib | Luke-Jr |
| 17:49.26 | Luke-Jr | ok then |
| 17:49.27 | rev|lib | my man |
| 17:49.29 | rev|lib | repeat after me |
| 17:49.30 | Luke-Jr | either way it's useless =p |
| 17:49.33 | rev|lib | THIS IS NOT A LAPTOP |
| 17:49.34 | rev|lib | heh |
| 17:49.36 | rev|lib | pretty much |
| 17:49.43 | rev|lib | Disconnect: not mine |
| 17:49.45 | rev|lib | but that'd be nice |
| 17:49.45 | Disconnect | thats a LOT of power |
| 17:49.54 | Luke-Jr | hmm it doesn't fit in my pocket too well, but good enough =p |
| 17:50.00 | Luke-Jr | BBL =p |
| 17:50.01 | Disconnect | rev|lib: they let the lcd powersave kick in (it was under the dynamism translated rom) |
| 17:50.02 | rev|lib | i get 4-5 hours doing 0% CPU stuff |
| 17:50.13 | rev|lib | powersave as in *no* LCD on? |
| 17:50.16 | rev|lib | or low-LCD? |
| 17:50.21 | rev|lib | if no LCD i might be able to see that |
| 17:50.32 | rev|lib | i've been using tkcPlayer, uses less CPU than the sharp player |
| 17:50.32 | Disconnect | rev|lib: whatever the sharp rom does for powersave |
| 17:50.40 | rev|lib | well |
| 17:50.44 | rev|lib | the default rom just dims the screen |
| 17:50.48 | rev|lib | doesn't turn it off |
| 17:50.54 | rev|lib | Luke-Jr: you can't turn it off all the way |
| 17:50.55 | rev|lib | but |
| 17:51.08 | rev|lib | if you close the lid- without hitting the power button- the screen turns all the way off |
| 17:51.35 | Luke-Jr | rev: IIRC, there's a Fn combo that turns it off |
| 17:51.40 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 17:51.47 | rev|lib | er |
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| 17:51.48 | rev|lib | i mean |
| 17:51.51 | rev|lib | the whole screen perhaps |
| 17:51.55 | rev|lib | but not just the light i don't think |
| 17:52.13 | rev|lib | the C7x0 has a non-reflective screen; turning off the entire light would make the screen unviewable |
| 17:52.37 | Disconnect | ..which is fine for powersaving.. |
| 17:52.52 | Disconnect | has it got a headphone jack? I don't recall |
| 17:52.57 | rev|lib | but it doesn't make sense |
| 17:52.58 | treke | yes it does |
| 17:53.02 | rev|lib | why not just *turn the whole screen off?* |
| 17:53.04 | treke | it also has a pretty crappy speaker |
| 17:53.05 | rev|lib | and not just the light? |
| 17:53.08 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 17:53.11 | rev|lib | speaker sucks balls |
| 17:53.16 | rev|lib | but headphone jack be there |
| 17:53.17 | rev|lib | no built in mic |
| 17:53.20 | rev|lib | which is retarded |
| 17:53.21 | treke | ipaq speaker is a whole lot nicer |
| 17:53.25 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 17:53.27 | treke | rev|lib: yeah, I thought that was kinda dumb |
| 17:53.33 | Disconnect | so headphone + 50M of mp3s (+ turn off screen) = portable mp3 player ;) |
| 17:53.38 | rev|lib | well |
| 17:53.43 | rev|lib | yup |
| 17:53.46 | rev|lib | like with any PDA :P |
| 17:53.50 | rev|lib | i think it's made worse by the plastic cover on the back of the C760 |
| 17:53.56 | rev|lib | although with it off it still doesn't sound much better |
| 17:54.18 | rev|lib | i sounds blown at any volume you can start ot hear it |
| 17:54.36 | treke | hp fucked up with the 2200 and put the speaker on the back of the device :) |
| 17:54.39 | Disconnect | considering all the kit I can avoid carrying for the ipaq (single and dual sleeves, pcmcia hdd, wireless, etc) I can afford to throw a little 2" headphone case into my bag.. (still carry wireless etc but cf/sd is gonna shrink that a lot..) |
| 17:54.42 | rev|lib | uff |
| 17:54.58 | rev|lib | Luke-Jr: let me know hopw you like that case- i may but one |
| 17:54.59 | rev|lib | er buy |
| 17:55.15 | rev|lib | although, i would prefer a case that covers the whole thing... i like to keep my PDA in my pocket, and don't like the dust and fuzzies that get on it |
| 17:55.43 | Disconnect | how sturdy is the thing without a case? |
| 17:56.12 | rev|lib | it's pretty sturdy i'd say |
| 17:56.14 | rev|lib | like a brick |
| 17:56.20 | rev|lib | the only thing that scares me is the hinge |
| 17:56.23 | rev|lib | on the screen |
| 17:56.24 | treke | yup |
| 17:56.27 | rev|lib | it feels loser than when i first got it |
| 17:56.31 | rev|lib | and i'll admit, i'm a weirdo |
| 17:56.34 | treke | rev|lib: Same |
| 17:56.35 | rev|lib | i notice these things very well |
| 17:56.39 | rev|lib | and they scare me |
| 17:56.47 | rev|lib | i've no nicks thuogh |
| 17:56.52 | rev|lib | the outside is poi-fect |
| 17:56.55 | treke | rev|lib: It doesnt seem loose in the sense that anything is wrong, but its noticable |
| 17:57.01 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 17:57.02 | rev|lib | like |
| 17:57.07 | rev|lib | i can move it up and down along the spine now |
| 17:57.07 | treke | rev|lib: Mine gets carried with keys, knives, phones |
| 17:57.14 | treke | ? |
| 17:57.18 | rev|lib | there seems to be about a millimeter of tolerance that wasn't there before |
| 17:57.19 | rev|lib | like |
| 17:57.24 | rev|lib | a tube around a shaft |
| 17:57.27 | rev|lib | not sure how to explain |
| 17:57.30 | treke | I dont think I've noticed that |
| 17:57.34 | rev|lib | and |
| 17:57.55 | rev|lib | when i put it somewhere that isn't snapped in- that is, in the 180 deg position- the stay isn't as firm as it used to be |
| 17:58.03 | Disconnect | rev|lib: sounds about right. it'll work in a bit (any joint will..) but it should settle out pretty quickly.. |
| 17:58.03 | rev|lib | i carry keys, knife and wallet |
| 17:58.09 | kergoth | i still want a nice hard/metal or plastic case |
| 17:58.12 | rev|lib | but keep the Z in left pocket, other crap in right :) |
| 17:58.16 | treke | hehe |
| 17:58.20 | rev|lib | i have this metal case that worked fine |
| 17:58.23 | rev|lib | but it's all dented |
| 17:58.28 | rev|lib | but that's ok i supose |
| 17:58.30 | rev|lib | it's funny |
| 17:58.42 | rev|lib | it's what i kept my Z in while backpacking in europe this summer |
| 17:58.46 | rev|lib | kept it safe |
| 17:58.49 | rev|lib | i got it free in the mail a few years ago from coke |
| 17:58.53 | Disconnect | so the durable case is all dented, but the more fragile Z is pristine? thats cool ;) |
| 17:59.01 | rev|lib | an aluminum case that came with a bunch of stupid marketing material |
| 17:59.17 | kergoth | i still need to convince my dad to make me one with a pingizauru on the front |
| 17:59.21 | rev|lib | but i feel like tool with it in my pocket |
| 17:59.26 | kergoth | (he's a toolmaker/modelmaker/machinist |
| 17:59.27 | kergoth | ) |
| 17:59.28 | rev|lib | at least until i spray paint it |
| 17:59.30 | rev|lib | ah cool kergie |
| 17:59.39 | rev|lib | this case almost has room for a speaker |
| 17:59.46 | rev|lib | i should mount a semi-decent speaker in it |
| 18:00.03 | rev|lib | i had this cheesy soft-cover (came with my helio, heh) for a while |
| 18:00.07 | rev|lib | worked great for the Z |
| 18:00.11 | rev|lib | but i left it on the bus :/ |
| 18:00.14 | rev|lib | kept the dust out |
| 18:00.49 | treke | Disconnect: I always kept mine in a sleeve, so I was never too worried :p |
| 18:00.58 | kergoth | i never carry my z's anymore |
| 18:01.04 | kergoth | they sit in a pile in my apartment |
| 18:01.07 | rev|lib | aww |
| 18:01.07 | Disconnect | treke: it was the screen that concerned me. |
| 18:01.13 | treke | Disconnect: Screen covers |
| 18:01.17 | rev|lib | my newt was the most fearless of pads |
| 18:01.28 | rev|lib | i'd just put it in my back pocket, closing the screen cover |
| 18:01.29 | treke | Disconnect: All of the sleeves I used had a little rubber screen cover |
| 18:01.31 | Disconnect | yah. that stops scratches and such (..that reminds me, should have ordered some with the z.. ohwell..) |
| 18:01.51 | kergoth | i like to travel light, so rarely have anywhere to put the |
| 18:01.52 | kergoth | Z |
| 18:01.54 | Disconnect | but not impacts.. either way, I'll be much happier with the clamshell. |
| 18:01.59 | kergoth | iunless i'm at work and have a portfolio or something |
| 18:02.00 | rev|lib | i travel light as well |
| 18:02.10 | rev|lib | and i hate having shit in my pocket |
| 18:02.14 | kergoth | yeah, same |
| 18:02.20 | rev|lib | but almost always have my Z and a knife |
| 18:02.21 | rev|lib | heh |
| 18:02.22 | rev|lib | survival |
| 18:02.23 | kergoth | which is why i have a money clip instead of a bulky wallet and shit |
| 18:02.23 | rev|lib | http://www.geocities.com/yasth.geo/whatis.html |
| 18:02.27 | Disconnect | but it was really fragile, was always afraid to put it in my pocket or whatever cuz I'd sit on it and it would go 'snap'.. |
| 18:02.27 | treke | Disconnect: It would do as good a job as the palm3 flip down cover |
| 18:02.33 | rev|lib | ^^ that's the lame - but free- metal box i have for my Z |
| 18:02.36 | rev|lib | it fits the Z perfectly |
| 18:02.38 | treke | probably better since it isnt as fragile |
| 18:02.43 | rev|lib | at least, it did with the helio slip case |
| 18:02.46 | Disconnect | treke: my sleeves didn't have any covers.. must be luck ;) |
| 18:02.50 | treke | ah. |
| 18:02.51 | rev|lib | i should spray paint that thing some color and add a lil padding |
| 18:02.54 | rev|lib | that'd be perfect then |
| 18:03.07 | treke | Disconnect: It was the newer more "sculpted" sleeves that had them |
| 18:03.25 | Disconnect | ah ok |
| 18:04.10 | treke | was a clear rubber that was about the same thickness as the thinnest parts of the sleeve itself |
| 18:04.50 | Disconnect | yah I have vague memories of seeing those at best buy or some such |
| 18:05.06 | treke | Disconnect: I always used the dual cf sleeve myself, so I had room for both :p |
| 18:06.12 | Disconnect | I stuck with pcmcia.. for basically the same reason I'm currently not bothering with bluetooth .. didn't have any devices that used it, devices without it (pcmcia hdd, etc) were cheaper and more flexible (got LOTS of pcmcia kit) .. |
| 18:06.43 | rev|lib | having pcmcia on my pda was rad |
| 18:06.48 | rev|lib | on my newton or jornada |
| 18:06.57 | rev|lib | good having 2-30 GB HD :D |
| 18:07.35 | Disconnect | yah. even with the not-quite-brick-shaped single sleeve it was way useful. (the dual was nice for puttering around the house, but it was roughly the size/shape/weight of a brick. although a color brick with linux, wireless and a 2g drive was kinda handy ;) ..) |
| 18:08.00 | rev|lib | heh |
| 18:08.03 | treke | hehe, the dual CF sleeve was scary |
| 18:08.07 | rev|lib | dual pcmcia ipaq is insanely sick |
| 18:08.10 | treke | er pcmcia |
| 18:08.13 | rev|lib | it's like 5 inches thick |
| 18:08.15 | treke | dual cf was nice :p |
| 18:08.16 | Disconnect | yah. 3" thick or so ;) |
| 18:08.16 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 18:08.25 | rev|lib | i never unstood why they didn't make even the dual CF a little smaller though |
| 18:08.27 | Disconnect | wasn't the dual cf basically the size of the single sleeve? |
| 18:08.28 | rev|lib | thinner, rather |
| 18:08.32 | Disconnect | (single pcmcia) |
| 18:08.32 | rev|lib | you could have a CF on top and bottom |
| 18:08.34 | rev|lib | not stacked |
| 18:08.38 | treke | rev|lib: The dual CF was really thin |
| 18:08.50 | rev|lib | it was? it wasn't when i was in the world de la ipaqio |
| 18:08.53 | treke | It was just about the size of the single CF sleeve |
| 18:08.54 | rev|lib | but it wasn't horrible |
| 18:08.57 | rev|lib | hrmm |
| 18:09.02 | rev|lib | the one i saw was relatively big |
| 18:09.05 | treke | rev|lib: You probably saw the crappy nexio one or something |
| 18:09.06 | rev|lib | bigger than my single CF |
| 18:09.10 | rev|lib | nah it was compaq's |
| 18:09.18 | treke | compaq eventually made one? |
| 18:09.18 | rev|lib | but it was for ipaq 31xx 36xx |
| 18:09.24 | rev|lib | i thought so |
| 18:09.49 | rev|lib | the whole sleeve thing is a good idea, although under utilized and a little annoying in some ways |
| 18:09.54 | treke | I dont ever recall one for the 31xx 36xx period |
| 18:09.57 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 18:09.58 | rev|lib | there was |
| 18:10.00 | treke | rev|lib: finally, someone who agrees :p |
| 18:10.03 | rev|lib | but maybe that was the big one |
| 18:10.18 | rev|lib | i mean, i'd like a PDA with a built in SD (and perhaps CF) slot, but with a sleeve option |
| 18:10.22 | treke | http://pitech.com/hardware/iCFMS/ipCFMS_index.htm |
| 18:10.40 | rev|lib | the funky PocketManager 300 (WinCE 3.0, but *not* PocketPC) handheld had that setup, IIRC |
| 18:10.45 | treke | they've gotten more expensive since I bought mine |
| 18:10.46 | rev|lib | but it's not like anyone bought those :P |
| 18:10.47 | rev|lib | ah |
| 18:11.18 | Disconnect | rev|lib: exactly. thats what stopped me getting one of the original zaurus's.. "look, expandability.. um.. almost." |
| 18:11.26 | rev|lib | heh |
| 18:11.51 | Disconnect | (not that anyone did much useful with the ipaq sleeves.. pcmcia, cf, bluetooth and I think someone did a gps.. |
| 18:11.53 | treke | Disconnect: same. That along with the smaller screen |
| 18:11.59 | treke | and smaller flash |
| 18:12.04 | Disconnect | s/screen/flash was what really annoyed me.. |
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| 18:12.24 | rev|lib | someone should've made a badass ipaq sleeve |
| 18:12.28 | Disconnect | "OK so its not expandable and smaller specs than my existing ipaq.. but its got a keyboard..which I could get on my ipaq for $50 or so.. |
| 18:12.37 | rev|lib | with built in wifi, bluetooth, *plus* a SD and CF slot |
| 18:12.49 | rev|lib | Disconnect: and that ipaq kb would likely be better |
| 18:12.52 | treke | hehe |
| 18:13.05 | rev|lib | i thought the 5x00 kb sucked |
| 18:13.11 | rev|lib | compared to toher thumboards i've used at least |
| 18:13.29 | treke | The thing that sold me on the c760 was that it was almost "perfect" as far as current pdas go |
| 18:13.46 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 18:13.48 | Disconnect | that was my thought too. no sleeve, but cf+sd and honkin huge flash... |
| 18:13.51 | rev|lib | at least |
| 18:13.57 | rev|lib | it's the most perfect for what is out there |
| 18:14.01 | rev|lib | (except the sig III, but that's just for me) |
| 18:14.11 | treke | rev|lib: did you see the new psion thing? |
| 18:14.21 | rev|lib | that's not new |
| 18:14.26 | rev|lib | it's newly running WinCE i supose |
| 18:14.30 | treke | yeah |
| 18:14.33 | rev|lib | the netbook has been aroudn for a while though |
| 18:14.38 | treke | Well I know you like wince |
| 18:14.38 | rev|lib | but that's waaay to big for me |
| 18:14.44 | rev|lib | really would not fit in my pocket, heh |
| 18:14.48 | rev|lib | it's not that i like wince |
| 18:14.56 | rev|lib | it's just the least obtrusive option for me right now :) |
| 18:18.29 | treke | rev|lib: btw, if you're a tximage user, I added in a bunch of little changes to make it suck less on the c760 |
| 18:18.43 | rev|lib | nope, can't say i am |
| 18:18.59 | rev|lib | i've just use the builtin imagepad |
| 18:19.04 | rev|lib | on sharp rom |
| 18:19.31 | rev|lib | although i can imagine tximage may be less annying |
| 18:19.44 | rev|lib | ahh |
| 18:19.52 | rev|lib | a bad thing when working on iamges |
| 18:19.53 | rev|lib | heh |
| 18:20.47 | treke | particularly when dealing with lots of 1600x1200 images :p |
| 18:20.55 | rev|lib | jeeze yeah |
| 18:21.31 | treke | though let me guess, this wouldnt happen if I was using smalltalk :p |
| 18:22.36 | treke | hmmm, it is passing by reference. I wonder why I thought it was going by value |
| 18:22.42 | rev|lib | actually, yeah |
| 18:22.50 | rev|lib | smalltalk passes my reference :P |
| 18:55.12 | Disconnect | heh. my fiance saw http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=231 and decided I should name the Z 'baccus' |
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| 18:57.19 | rev|lib | heh |
| 18:57.23 | rev|lib | my Z has no name, unfortunately |
| 18:57.33 | rev|lib | doesn't have enough personality yet |
| 18:57.47 | rev|lib | perhaps when i go dynapad only it'll lose the personality-less sterile linux vibe |
| 18:57.49 | rev|lib | heh |
| 18:57.59 | rev|lib | my 1st newton was named martha |
| 18:58.00 | rev|lib | as in |
| 18:58.02 | rev|lib | eat up martha |
| 18:58.04 | rev|lib | :) |
| 18:58.15 | gerrynjr | rev|lib> good ol simpsons :-D |
| 18:58.22 | rev|lib | heh |
| 18:58.30 | rev|lib | my wince device had a name |
| 18:58.32 | rev|lib | but it wasn't a good one |
| 18:58.36 | Disconnect | but all the *nix boxes get names .. (well.. they need hostnames, may as well give them decent ones) |
| 18:58.37 | rev|lib | it was a Jornada 720 |
| 18:58.42 | rev|lib | and i called it "whorenada" |
| 18:58.45 | gerrynjr | lmao! |
| 18:58.46 | rev|lib | because jornada sounds so dumb |
| 18:58.49 | Disconnect | hehe |
| 18:58.55 | rev|lib | although, that was a really nice machine |
| 18:58.56 | rev|lib | but still |
| 18:59.10 | gerrynjr | hopefully, I will win the contest that zaurususergroup has going on... |
| 18:59.20 | gerrynjr | then.. i'll be able to have a Z :-D |
| 18:59.30 | gerrynjr | unfortunately... I can't afford one... |
| 18:59.54 | rev|lib | what contest is that? |
| 19:00.25 | gerrynjr | see pm |
| 19:20.44 | treke | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1378 |
| 19:22.16 | rev|lib | treke: cool |
| 19:22.39 | rev|lib | so much less ugly than sharp rom, heh |
| 19:22.51 | treke | wonder how it works |
| 19:22.58 | rev|lib | in what way |
| 19:23.01 | rev|lib | heh |
| 19:23.03 | rev|lib | i think i have 7 |
| 19:23.04 | rev|lib | eh eh |
| 19:23.13 | treke | 4 of them I have memorized |
| 19:23.31 | rev|lib | i have most of my mine memorized |
| 19:23.36 | rev|lib | which is why they're not in the book :P |
| 19:23.40 | treke | Disconnect: You used opie on the ipaq, right? |
| 19:23.42 | rev|lib | i only puts ones in there i don't remember |
| 19:24.16 | Disconnect | treke: not for that.. for that I keep them in my cellphone, the board on the wall at home, my evo addy book, my palm 3c, etc.. hence the need for a Z. ;) |
| 19:24.29 | Disconnect | treke: was going to get them all into the libretto (under opie) but it was way too slow to do anything with. |
| 19:26.41 | Disconnect | treke: was going to get them all into the libretto (under opie) but it was way too slow to do anything with. |
| 19:26.49 | Disconnect | ..ok if I wasn't dumb I'd have known the difference between ". ./config.status" and "./config.status" .. (the extra . is because the keyboard and/or X doubles up every now and then.. normally its just annoying.. unless its the ssh connection to my irc proxy ;) ..) |
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| 19:43.38 | o2Slim | Anyone know of a good WiFi card for the SL-5600? Besides the Socket collection? |
| 19:43.47 | rev|lib | well |
| 19:43.53 | rev|lib | don't get the Linksys WCF12 |
| 19:43.56 | rev|lib | that one sucks ass |
| 19:43.56 | rev|lib | but |
| 19:44.01 | rev|lib | the Ambicom i have works well |
| 19:44.07 | rev|lib | (on a C760, but same difference) |
| 19:44.31 | o2Slim | Cool deal, what's the range on that thing? |
| 19:44.39 | rev|lib | not sure |
| 19:44.42 | rev|lib | never looked it up |
| 19:44.43 | rev|lib | although |
| 19:44.46 | o2Slim | What about the DLink? |
| 19:44.50 | Disconnect | rev|lib: hrm. the linksys is the one I was about to get.. glad I saw that first ;) |
| 19:44.57 | fliplap | call it around 300 feet |
| 19:45.03 | rev|lib | Disconnect: yeah, i went through 2, both went bad after 2-3 weeks |
| 19:45.10 | rev|lib | Disconnect: i think treke went through 2 or 3 as well |
| 19:45.11 | fliplap | but it depends SO much on the enviroment, you really can't make a call on it |
| 19:45.19 | o2Slim | yeah true |
| 19:45.21 | rev|lib | i'm able to pick up my signal at my bus stop, which is across the street and down the block some |
| 19:45.23 | rev|lib | which surprised me |
| 19:45.29 | rev|lib | and it's still like 60-70% |
| 19:45.49 | o2Slim | I want to get this DLink but i'm not sure if it will work |
| 19:45.55 | rev|lib | mmhmm |
| 19:46.01 | rev|lib | Disconnect: heh, same here |
| 19:46.03 | fliplap | i mean, i've done 5.1 miles using a couple orinocos |
| 19:46.16 | fliplap | and some hormel chili cans |
| 19:46.22 | o2Slim | hehehe |
| 19:46.32 | rev|lib | heh |
| 19:46.33 | rev|lib | werd |
| 19:46.40 | fliplap | oh, and we were also in the middle of the Nevada desert |
| 19:46.48 | fliplap | and one of us was on top of a hill :-) |
| 19:46.56 | rev|lib | heh |
| 19:47.03 | o2Slim | How much did your card run? |
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| 19:47.47 | fliplap | i have a wcf12, its still working after 2 monthes * knock on wood * |
| 19:47.54 | rev|lib | heh wow |
| 19:47.56 | rev|lib | congrats :D |
| 19:48.00 | rev|lib | i'm sure some of them keep working |
| 19:48.01 | fdask | my wcf12 works fine |
| 19:48.11 | rev|lib | or so i'd hope linksys would recall |
| 19:48.19 | fliplap | i only bought it cause it was like $20 |
| 19:48.42 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 19:48.49 | rev|lib | wroth a shot wit that rebate |
| 19:49.52 | fliplap | yeah, then i won that wifi shootout at defcon, and bought an AP that had $40 worth of rebates with the gift card, so really i got the card, the AP, and $20 back for free :-) |
| 19:50.10 | fliplap | well, we won our class anyway |
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| 19:57.33 | icefox | did Qt Linguist come with the Sharp SDK? |
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| 19:58.01 | icefox | hmm, nope |
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| 20:39.11 | devnull_Z | ok....can someone point me in the right direction to get ad-hoc netowrking set up between my SL-5600 and W2K? |
| 20:40.28 | coup | advice: to start with, leave everything OPEN, just set an ESSID on both machines, set static IP addresses, and start pinging |
| 20:40.40 | coup | build from there to getting nameserver lookups working |
| 20:40.49 | coup | then finally add your security |
| 20:43.39 | devnull_Z | coup: I'm stuck at your first suggestion....my Z after connecting says "No Connection detected. Check your TCP/IP setings" |
| 20:45.25 | devnull_Z | It does put the W2K NIC MAC in the Network's currect setting, but then disconnects right away and goes back to offline. |
| 20:46.02 | kergoth | u/win 21 |
| 20:46.06 | kergoth | bleh, damn u |
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| 20:55.56 | coup | anyone running Oz 3.2 with Opie 1.0? ANd using wireless? |
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| 23:16.03 | gerrynjr | is the zaurus camera any good? |
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| 23:19.53 | irvken | http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113830 |
| 23:20.00 | irvken | anyone help me with this? |
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| 23:50.48 | rev|school | yooo |
| 23:50.55 | kergoth | sup rev |
| 23:51.04 | rev|school | ok |
| 23:51.06 | rev|school | on windoze |
| 23:51.17 | rev|school | what driver do i need to use the usbnet? |
| 23:51.20 | rev|school | hey kergie! |
| 23:51.30 | rev|school | i can't follow the stuff on the CD i got from sharp, it's all in jp |
| 23:51.39 | kergoth | oh, c7x0? |
| 23:51.44 | kergoth | not sure, never tried |
| 23:52.27 | rev|school | hrm |