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| 02:13.35 | absentia | hmmm |
| 02:13.53 | absentia | the python .ipks aren't recognized by standard sharp (cacko?) ipkg installer.... and they don't work at the command line. |
| 02:16.08 | kergoth | what python ipks? |
| 02:16.22 | absentia | wox.net ones... I thinkit probably wants ipkg-new ? |
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| 02:18.09 | Labtec | hey, whats the best 802.11b card for the zaurus |
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| 02:19.41 | Labtec | ?? |
| 02:19.41 | Labtec | ? |
| 02:19.56 | absentia | I use dlink 660w |
| 02:19.58 | kergoth | 'best'? |
| 02:20.56 | Labtec | best = easy to use "plug and play" and low powered and it would help if it was low cost |
| 02:22.04 | Labtec | ? |
| 02:22.49 | Labtec | one guy told me about a card the name started with an "A" |
| 02:22.57 | Labtec | does anyone know |
| 02:23.48 | absentia | there was a comparison posted to the externe.net/zaurus/forum recently |
| 02:24.08 | absentia | I think it showed most were close... (there were only three?) ... with socket being least power hungry, but also not fully compatible (kismet, etc) |
| 02:24.14 | absentia | I like my dklink660w |
| 02:24.36 | Labtec | cool, thanks will check it out |
| 02:25.22 | kergoth | Labtec: your requirements are mutually exclusive |
| 02:25.31 | kergoth | low powered and low cost? good luck |
| 02:25.36 | kergoth | there are tradeoffs. there is no 'best' |
| 02:25.43 | kergoth | cards with more consumption have more range |
| 02:26.27 | kergoth | hey absentia, I need a quick n dirty sed script to remove only the last line of a file. know how off the top of your head? |
| 02:27.06 | absentia | does it have to be sed? |
| 02:27.45 | kergoth | sed or awk or similar. dont want to jump to perl |
| 02:28.08 | kergoth | god i suck at sed & awk, i should pick up the oreilly book |
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| 02:28.36 | absentia | ya |
| 02:29.10 | emme | kergoth, head -n -1 file.txt it's not ok? |
| 02:29.33 | kergoth | heh, head can take a negative line number? |
| 02:29.40 | Labtec | thanks kergoth, i didn't know low consumption = low range, in this case i don care if the card is batt hungry i need range |
| 02:30.00 | kergoth | Labtec: it isnt a 1-1 low consumption = low range, but it is a factor |
| 02:30.39 | kergoth | absentia's dlink 660w or any other similar prism2.5 card would work, and be fairly inexpensive |
| 02:30.48 | Labtec | ok, are there any numbers to compare range or its just tring the card |
| 02:30.52 | kergoth | socket/symbol are nice & low power, but are more epxensive, and dunnoa bout the range.. |
| 02:30.58 | kergoth | people have done comparisons |
| 02:31.02 | kergoth | dunno how recently |
| 02:31.03 | absentia | head -1 is lines from the top |
| 02:31.19 | kergoth | have you checked the howtos on doc.zaurus.com? |
| 02:31.31 | Labtec | na, i should right? |
| 02:31.38 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:32.36 | Labtec | aright kergoth, thanks for all the help i got to go now |
| 02:32.38 | Labtec | thanks |
| 02:33.00 | absentia | kergoth: I'd give you a command... but you'd ignore me forever. :-) |
| 02:33.14 | kergoth | hah. |
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| 02:33.39 | emme | absentia, head -n -1 is -1 line from the bottom |
| 02:34.17 | emme | cat prova.txt |
| 02:34.17 | emme | ciao |
| 02:34.17 | emme | ciao1 |
| 02:34.17 | emme | ciao2 |
| 02:34.17 | emme | ciao3 |
| 02:34.31 | emme | head -n -1 prova.txt |
| 02:34.31 | emme | ciao |
| 02:34.31 | emme | ciao1 |
| 02:34.31 | emme | ciao2 |
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| 02:35.07 | emme | sorry for flooding :) |
| 02:35.28 | absentia | I made this up one day... |
| 02:35.33 | absentia | it does what you want, in a round about way. :-> |
| 02:35.36 | absentia | alias x 'eval head -\`expr -\!:1 + `wc -l \!:2 | cut -b 0-9` \` \!:2' |
| 02:35.57 | warmi_ | hi |
| 02:36.35 | absentia | it was written on solaris, though... so the cut is a little different. |
| 02:41.39 | absentia | awk |
| 02:41.41 | absentia | awk '{print l; l=$0; }' |
| 02:42.01 | absentia | but it gives a blank... at start. |
| 02:42.41 | kergoth | sed -e'1h; 1,1 {; H; g; }; $q; 1,9d; N; D' |
| 02:42.53 | absentia | heheh |
| 02:43.01 | kergoth | google, how i love thee! |
| 02:43.20 | absentia | doesn't give me any output |
| 02:43.37 | kergoth | cat /etc/resolv.conf | sed -e'1h; 1,1 {; H; g; }; $q; 1,9d; N; D' doesnt do it for you? |
| 02:43.38 | absentia | well, a blank line... you said... all BUT the last line, right? |
| 02:43.47 | kergoth | err, yeah, need to tweak it |
| 02:44.10 | absentia | prints a blank line and THEN the last line. |
| 02:44.10 | absentia | heheh |
| 02:45.31 | kergoth | sed -e':loop; $d; N; 1,2b loop; P; D' |
| 02:45.39 | kergoth | there we go |
| 02:47.26 | absentia | cat /etc/resolv.conf | sed -e ':loop; $d; N; 1,2b loop; P; D' |
| 02:47.26 | absentia | sed: 2: ":loop; $d; N; 1,2b loop ...": unused label 'loop; $d; N; 1,2b loop; P; D' |
| 02:47.26 | absentia | search spy.org |
| 02:47.26 | absentia | nameserver 192.168.2.1 |
| 02:47.36 | absentia | and without the space after the -e, same thing |
| 02:47.52 | emme | kergoth, is there a reason why not to use the much easier to understand head? |
| 02:48.10 | kergoth | emme: uh? |
| 02:48.12 | emme | I'm just curious... |
| 02:48.23 | kergoth | I need every line _but_ the last line |
| 02:48.26 | kergoth | last line removal |
| 02:48.38 | kergoth | i do that with head how exactly? |
| 02:48.39 | emme | head -n -1 file.txt |
| 02:48.58 | kergoth | ~/coding/projects/user/oe/oe$ head -n -1 /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:48.58 | kergoth | head: -1: invalid number of lines |
| 02:49.07 | kergoth | say, portability perhaps? |
| 02:49.12 | emme | ok |
| 02:49.27 | emme | head --version |
| 02:49.27 | emme | head (coreutils) 5.0.90 |
| 02:49.42 | kergoth | yes, that was obviously a recent addition |
| 02:49.48 | kergoth | i want this code to work on busybox even |
| 02:49.54 | kergoth | if i wasnt concerned with portability, i'd say fuck it and use perl |
| 02:50.00 | absentia | awk 'NR > 1 {print l;} { l=$0; }' |
| 02:50.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:50.03 | absentia | does that work for you ? |
| 02:50.17 | absentia | kergoth: I sent you an alias to do it |
| 02:50.27 | emme | thank you for explanation. Sorry. |
| 02:50.28 | absentia | this will print all but the last "X" lines from files... |
| 02:50.30 | kergoth | i know, but that was one butt ugly alias, and inefficient ta boot |
| 02:50.33 | kergoth | :) |
| 02:50.37 | kergoth | the awk command works fine, thanks |
| 02:50.47 | absentia | alias x 'eval head -\`expr -\!:1 + `wc -l \!:2 | cut -b 0-9` \` \!:2' |
| 02:50.54 | absentia | that's an alias I did... one time... for tcsh |
| 02:51.03 | absentia | I want to do "x num_lines file" |
| 02:51.09 | absentia | and it will print all but the last num_lines from the file. |
| 02:51.37 | absentia | it does it by adding a NEGATIVE of the first param.. to the length of the file, and then passing that to head |
| 02:51.55 | absentia | so, to answer your question... you print all but the last line by getting the # of lines and subtracting 1.. and then passing THAT to head |
| 02:51.55 | absentia | :-> |
| 02:51.57 | kergoth | yeah, i see that |
| 02:52.05 | emme | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.06 | kergoth | like i said, less efficient since the file has to be parsed multiple times |
| 02:52.10 | kergoth | (wc, head, ..) |
| 02:52.10 | emme | just kidding |
| 02:52.24 | kergoth | spiffy nonetheless |
| 02:52.42 | absentia | kergoth: yup. it's my "alias from hell" ... I didn't care about efficiency.. I just needed to do it a few times, at one session, and got tired of doing it by hand. |
| 02:52.53 | absentia | and I was restrcting myself not to use perl. |
| 02:52.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:53.07 | absentia | you can also do |
| 02:53.16 | absentia | rev file | head +2 | rev |
| 02:53.19 | absentia | but that's even sicker |
| 02:53.36 | absentia | (plus can suck memory) |
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| 02:55.34 | absentia | ala: tail -r file | tail +2 | tail -r |
| 02:55.44 | absentia | almost as bad as multiple sorts. |
| 02:57.49 | kergoth | hehe, yeah, thought about that too |
| 02:58.07 | absentia | :-) |
| 02:59.00 | absentia | but, I like problems like that.... |
| 02:59.24 | absentia | although, I tend to program in sh... or perl.. and in sh, I try not to call external programs like awk, tail, sed... etc. |
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| 03:08.42 | absentia | can I untar or unzip an rpm |
| 03:08.44 | absentia | I just want the files. |
| 03:08.46 | absentia | I don't have rpm |
| 03:10.33 | absentia | got it |
| 03:13.13 | absentia | does anyone here know of a vnc server for non OZ rom for zaurus c7x0? |
| 03:19.32 | absentia | hmmm |
| 03:19.39 | absentia | does qtopia-x exist anymore? |
| 03:19.50 | kergoth | qtopia-x = Xvnc |
| 03:20.21 | absentia | no entries at killefiz |
| 03:21.10 | absentia | someone here the other night said that they had vnc unto their zaurus... and could see the qtopia desktop. |
| 03:21.30 | absentia | I tried installing that sdg vnc, the 5600 version... but it make my 760 not able to do mouse clicks... even after a reflash |
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| 03:35.24 | absentia | yes yes yes yes!!!!! |
| 03:35.28 | absentia | got the damn python to work |
| 03:38.03 | absentia | interesting |
| 03:38.10 | absentia | the python qt window... seems to disappear |
| 03:38.15 | absentia | qtopia's windows take over |
| 03:38.19 | absentia | and you can't get your window back. |
| 03:38.43 | absentia | ok, night. |
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| 04:27.46 | zabsentia | re |
| 04:28.24 | W8TVI | wb |
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| 04:33.49 | rev | hey |
| 04:34.00 | W8TVI | wb |
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| 04:34.36 | zabsentia | lovely |
| 04:34.39 | rev | hey |
| 04:34.46 | zabsentia | hey |
| 04:34.57 | zabsentia | I've killed my opera installation |
| 04:35.04 | rev | awww |
| 04:35.05 | rev | whyfor? |
| 04:35.57 | zabsentia | didn't do it on purpose |
| 04:36.06 | rev | Ww whops |
| 04:36.07 | zabsentia | I'm looking for opera ipk now |
| 04:36.13 | zabsentia | or I reflash |
| 04:41.31 | rev | i got one from thekpmany |
| 04:41.48 | treke|home | hey rev |
| 04:41.53 | rev | hey treke |
| 04:42.21 | zabsentia | yeah? app pack? |
| 04:42.31 | rev | yup |
| 04:42.34 | zabsentia | mine didnt seem to have opera |
| 04:42.35 | rev | don't have the lik anymore |
| 04:42.41 | rev | i thought it was seperate |
| 04:42.54 | rev | i don't have the ipk anymore, we just did a HD upgrade (tonight) on the ibook |
| 04:42.58 | zabsentia | url? |
| 04:43.00 | rev | and haven't done a restore from our backups |
| 04:43.04 | zabsentia | ah |
| 04:43.29 | rev | if you don't find it in a few days, let me know |
| 04:43.37 | rev | but i'm sure someone here will provide |
| 04:43.37 | zabsentia | i can reflash |
| 04:43.41 | zabsentia | its ok. thanks |
| 04:43.51 | zabsentia | say, does tkc have a 760 rom yet? |
| 04:44.03 | rev | don't think so |
| 04:44.06 | zabsentia | k |
| 04:44.17 | treke|home | I'm sure they will soon |
| 04:45.31 | rev | yeah |
| 04:45.44 | rev | although, i doubt i'll try it- why bother? |
| 04:45.49 | kergoth | heh, i'd think tkc just swung a deal with dynamism to drop ship directly to the customer |
| 04:45.49 | rev | new icosn ooooooh exciting |
| 04:45.55 | kergoth | if they ship with tkc, they'd have to have stock |
| 04:46.08 | kergoth | ugh, headache |
| 04:46.27 | treke|home | dunno. Don't think dynamism would want that |
| 04:46.42 | zabsentia | I have two dynamism units |
| 04:46.57 | kergoth | or brando, or whomever their supplier is |
| 04:47.01 | kergoth | point remains the same |
| 04:47.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:48.06 | treke|home | since they were quoting a 1-2 week shipping time, i was guessing they were going to be having them shiped to tkc, converted to english and shipped out |
| 04:48.16 | treke|home | but it might just be because of CA advertising laws |
| 04:48.40 | zabsentia | that was one of the reasons I went with d.... plus the warranty |
| 04:48.51 | zabsentia | $817 for 760 ... |
| 04:48.57 | kergoth | itd be faster to rewrite libtool from scratch than it is to figure this mess out |
| 04:49.30 | treke|home | cool. kergoth is going to rewrite libtool |
| 04:49.55 | kergoth | yeah, thatll happen around when i rewrite autoconf and automake |
| 04:50.03 | kergoth | which is probably somewhere between hell freezing over and pigs flying |
| 04:50.06 | zabsentia | hmmm. tkc rom page not coming up under netfront |
| 04:50.40 | zabsentia | M-xrewrite autoM-M- |
| 04:51.29 | treke|home | emacs, maybe the third one wont suck |
| 04:53.04 | ljp | hey, hell freezes over and pigs fly at pink floyd concerts |
| 05:00.11 | zabsentia | night |
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| 05:03.29 | emme | anyone knows a good z shop in Kyoto, Japan? |
| 05:04.16 | ljp | nope |
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| 05:31.08 | emme | always looking for z shops in Kyoto, any suggestion appreciated |
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| 06:15.32 | TCMAN | hi |
| 06:16.30 | W8TVI | wb |
| 06:18.13 | TCMAN | W8TVI: whats up? |
| 06:19.41 | TCMAN | inquirer says that fossil palm watch is delayed again |
| 06:19.44 | TCMAN | damnit |
| 06:22.29 | W8TVI | not much |
| 06:23.38 | W8TVI | or a mid 80's commaro |
| 06:23.43 | TCMAN | W8TVI: i would be happy with firebird formula or camaro z28 :) |
| 06:23.52 | TCMAN | i want 2000 or newer |
| 06:23.59 | W8TVI | I like the old ones |
| 06:24.01 | TCMAN | or end of sixties :) |
| 06:24.53 | W8TVI | Corvett stingray |
| 06:25.05 | TCMAN | my buddy at work has 1991 camaro irocz |
| 06:25.17 | TCMAN | its pretty cool |
| 06:25.18 | W8TVI | cool |
| 06:25.31 | W8TVI | I want a GMC Syclone |
| 06:25.47 | TCMAN | W8TVI: and couple others are race track crazies |
| 06:26.04 | TCMAN | W8TVI: one has acura nsx and races some civic in honda challenge or something |
| 06:26.26 | TCMAN | W8TVI: and another one kills his bmw m3 on the track |
| 06:27.08 | W8TVI | I still want a GMC Syclone |
| 06:27.33 | W8TVI | http://www.syclone.freeserve.co.uk/ |
| 06:27.57 | W8TVI | The Syclone is the quickest pickup truck ever. It's combination of 300+ bhp turbo V6 (4,300cc), automatic transmission and all wheel drive enable power-brake launches that leave the rest gasping. |
| 06:27.59 | TCMAN | W8TVI: i want a delorean then |
| 06:28.08 | W8TVI | heh |
| 06:28.15 | TCMAN | W8TVI: there are couple deloreans in the valley, i sometimes see them :) |
| 06:29.08 | TCMAN | a truck? |
| 06:29.18 | W8TVI | yep |
| 06:29.23 | W8TVI | hehe |
| 06:29.48 | W8TVI | 300+ bhp AWD truck |
| 06:30.52 | W8TVI | 1/4 mile: 13.5 seconds @ 99mph |
| 06:31.04 | TCMAN | sick! |
| 06:31.48 | W8TVI | thats stock |
| 06:32.04 | W8TVI | there are guys who have 9 sec or less trucks |
| 06:32.11 | TCMAN | well, its pretty good |
| 06:32.16 | TCMAN | BUT TRUCK !!!? |
| 06:32.20 | TCMAN | :) |
| 06:32.21 | W8TVI | yep |
| 06:32.35 | W8TVI | here: |
| 06:32.36 | W8TVI | http://www.syclone.freeserve.co.uk/ |
| 06:32.39 | W8TVI | read it :) |
| 06:32.55 | W8TVI | I think thats the one |
| 06:33.34 | W8TVI | no |
| 06:33.39 | W8TVI | here it is: |
| 06:33.43 | W8TVI | http://www.typhoon-link.net/CD/GMCSyclone.html |
| 06:33.44 | TCMAN | i googled some pictures |
| 06:33.51 | W8TVI | The New Age Drag Race: Syclone pickup vs. Ferrari 348ts |
| 06:33.57 | TCMAN | hehe |
| 06:34.30 | TCMAN | trucks and suvs are evil |
| 06:35.01 | W8TVI | but the GMC Syclone is the devil :) |
| 06:35.25 | TCMAN | maybe |
| 06:35.31 | TCMAN | but i like compact cars |
| 06:35.37 | TCMAN | and low cars |
| 06:35.48 | W8TVI | well this is a low truck |
| 06:36.56 | W8TVI | With just over 60 percent of its weight on its wide 255/45ZR-17 rear Bridgestones, the Italian has no problem hooking up. The driver decides he needs 4500 showing on the tach when he drops the clutch, just to keep from bogging. |
| 06:37.02 | W8TVI | The trucker, he jes smile. Don't wanta put no heat in the intercooler. |
| 06:37.09 | W8TVI | They line up. |
| 06:37.14 | W8TVI | One! |
| 06:37.21 | W8TVI | Rippah, rippah. |
| 06:37.27 | W8TVI | Two! |
| 06:37.32 | W8TVI | Riiiippaah. |
| 06:37.42 | W8TVI | The truck shudders. It seems to clench up against the brake. A hissing, whirring, hurting tornado of a sound build under the black hood. |
| 06:37.54 | W8TVI | Three! |
| 06:38.03 | W8TVI | Waarrreeeeeee. The Bridgestones go to blur. A gray-blue haze forms at the tread patch. The Ferrari makes a perfect launch. |
| 06:38.11 | TCMAN | heeh |
| 06:38.11 | W8TVI | When the truck brakes come off, full-boot torque is downloaded to all four wheels. They barely slip. Acceleration begins with such a jolt the driver feels his breakfast slosh rearward. In a blink, the Ferrari is looking at tailgate. And the tailgate is getting smaller. Half a car-length, one, two car-lengths of daylight between them before the Ferrari tops out of first gear. The race has just begun and already it looks like a massacre. |
| 06:38.28 | W8TVI | Levering through the Ferrari maze is always trick, but the guy is good. No pickup truck is going to take his candy. In second gear, his singing V-8 seems to jump tempo, allegro to presto. The tailgate has stopped shrinking. But it's not looming larger, either. |
| 06:38.32 | TCMAN | just give me firebird formula :) |
| 06:38.35 | TCMAN | black one |
| 06:38.44 | W8TVI | Compared with the Italian, the truck is nearly soundless. But its shifting is trick, too, because the revs rise quickly and the limiter will call a complete ceasefire at 4700 sharp (500 rpm below the redline). To squeeze out the last useful rev in the torque curve, the driver tries to shave the interrupt penalty as close as he can. He pushes the lever at 4450. The gear changes are completed barely in time. |
| 06:38.53 | W8TVI | In third, the Ferrari begins to show its breeding. It's recouping its losses. The truck is straining its burly shoulders against the wind. The air can be bulled aside, but the effort take away from acceleration. |
| 06:39.00 | TCMAN | with automatic transmission |
| 06:39.03 | W8TVI | The end marker is coming up. The slippery, wind-cheating Ferrari is into its element now, gobbling up the gap. Can it break through in the final kick? Its four-cam, 32-valve, all aluminum V-8 engine, the pride of Maranello, screams with the pain of effort. |
| 06:39.11 | W8TVI | No! The truck wins. |
| 06:39.15 | TCMAN | automatic has better 1/4 mile times than manual anyway :) |
| 06:39.39 | W8TVI | The Syclone will beat a brand-new $122,000 Ferrari 348ts. No doubt about it. If the script is right. Be careful of heat though, because temperatures above, say, 75 degrees, cause significant power losses. On cold days, The Syclone's turbo, torque converter, and adhesive tape traction are devastating from 0 to 60. Above 80 mph, it pays for its truck shape. It clears the quarter-mile in 14.1 seconds, compared with 14.5 seconds for the Ferrari, bu |
| 06:39.39 | W8TVI | t the Ferraris is moving 6 mph faster (99 mph versus 93). The Ferrari grabs the lead very soon after the quarter and never looks back. Its top speed is 166 mph. The Syclone's is 126. |
| 06:44.15 | W8TVI | "It's a spooky, confusing sensation being in a stocky truck that doesn't so much accelerate as jump in time, delivering you at some point in the distance seemingly before you've left. From standstill to 30mph takes just 1.7 seconds. Trucks oughtn't to be able to do this, especially with so little apparent effort. There's no wheelspin, no thunderous roar from under the hood; the Syclone just goes, like the starship Enterprise flicking into warp |
| 06:44.15 | W8TVI | drive. I kid you not when I tell you that the first few times passengers experienced the Syclone's thrust, they let out an involuntary gasp." |
| 06:44.19 | TCMAN | W8TVI: anyway, i think i will settle for 1998 eclipse gsx |
| 06:46.35 | W8TVI | I'm thinking that I'll get another s10, but a pickup this time... |
| 06:46.45 | W8TVI | ext. cab |
| 06:47.06 | TCMAN | W8TVI: two trucks ? |
| 06:47.14 | TCMAN | why would you need two trucks ? |
| 06:47.51 | W8TVI | I have a 91 GMC jimmy |
| 06:48.15 | W8TVI | thinkinga about replacing it with a newer s10 truck |
| 06:48.51 | TCMAN | ah |
| 06:49.09 | TCMAN | well, i have to pay off my wife's car now |
| 06:49.16 | TCMAN | so i can only dream |
| 06:49.31 | W8TVI | my jimmy is paid off, but I have no job |
| 06:49.42 | W8TVI | job market sucks here |
| 06:50.14 | TCMAN | that sucks, what do you do ? |
| 06:50.37 | W8TVI | work on computers... |
| 06:50.51 | W8TVI | but I've had 4 years in retail |
| 06:51.09 | W8TVI | with my compuer biz on the side |
| 06:51.11 | TCMAN | work on computers :) kinda general |
| 06:51.40 | W8TVI | well thats what I do |
| 06:52.16 | W8TVI | networking, PM, install stuff... |
| 06:52.21 | W8TVI | cuss at windows |
| 06:52.30 | TCMAN | we have openings but for stuff like PD of chips |
| 06:52.37 | W8TVI | PD? |
| 06:52.48 | TCMAN | physical design |
| 06:52.51 | W8TVI | oh |
| 06:52.52 | TCMAN | and place and route |
| 06:52.59 | TCMAN | and verification |
| 06:53.02 | TCMAN | this kind of stuff |
| 06:53.50 | TCMAN | basically EEs with solid experience in chip design |
| 06:57.29 | W8TVI | I think is cool that my jimmy has the same trans as the corvett and suburban have |
| 06:57.48 | TCMAN | really? |
| 06:57.50 | TCMAN | thats cool |
| 06:57.54 | W8TVI | yep |
| 06:57.55 | TCMAN | what engine does it have ? |
| 06:58.08 | W8TVI | the jimmy has a 4.3L V6 |
| 06:58.24 | TCMAN | not to shabby, how much HP ? |
| 06:58.29 | W8TVI | its like a 350 V-8 with two cilenders cut off |
| 06:58.36 | W8TVI | 160 |
| 06:58.39 | TCMAN | our russian friends lately bought Honda Element :) |
| 06:58.52 | W8TVI | its a 262 ci |
| 06:59.08 | TCMAN | 160 is quite good, jimmy is small, how much does it weight ? |
| 06:59.27 | W8TVI | my jimmy (that is 13 years old and runs not so well) can still beat hondas |
| 06:59.33 | W8TVI | uh... |
| 07:01.38 | W8TVI | 3776lbs curb weight |
| 07:01.48 | TCMAN | ugh |
| 07:02.48 | TCMAN | whiuch year is your jimmy ? |
| 07:03.16 | TCMAN | this is weird, carpoint only shows that it has v8 engine |
| 07:03.53 | W8TVI | 91 |
| 07:04.28 | TCMAN | 91 shows V8 5.7l and 6.2l, v6 starts from 1992 |
| 07:04.43 | W8TVI | URL? |
| 07:04.51 | TCMAN | www.carpoint.com |
| 07:05.07 | TCMAN | warning: msn site :) |
| 07:06.01 | W8TVI | url to the page that you were looking at please? |
| 07:06.02 | W8TVI | :P |
| 07:06.23 | TCMAN | lemme start synergy |
| 07:06.53 | TCMAN | http://autos.msn.com/vip/usedoverview.aspx?make=GMC&model=Jimmy&src=LeftNav |
| 07:17.56 | W8TVI | full size jimmy they must be talking about |
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| 07:19.21 | TCMAN | dunno, maybe |
| 07:19.27 | TCMAN | there is only one jimmy there |
| 07:31.49 | TCMAN | good night all |
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| 13:24.27 | madeddie | zaurii rock |
| 13:24.31 | madeddie | now if it only worked |
| 13:24.32 | madeddie | ... |
| 13:24.32 | madeddie | :) |
| 13:27.28 | absentia | agreed! |
| 13:27.37 | absentia | I take three steps forward, and two steps back |
| 13:27.39 | absentia | each day. |
| 13:28.26 | absentia | I finally got python... python qt.... all current (2.3, 3.8, etc) ... on my 760... and I ran my first/favorite pyqt demo (canvas) ... and (1) the zaurus doesn't accept mouse clicks/taps and (2) if you switch away from the window, you can't ever get it back!!! |
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| 13:55.09 | madeddie | absentia: jup, stuff like that that's maddening |
| 13:55.46 | madeddie | on a pc, i can usually make it work, on zaurus, too many loose ends, it's like building a ship in a bottle, i'd like to be able hold it firmly, but i'm unable to put my hands through the bottleneck :) |
| 13:56.56 | madeddie | my network config doesn't open anymore, not too bad, but when i put in configs by hand, it overwrites them |
| 13:57.17 | madeddie | ah well, i bought it to play with, and that's what i'll keep doing |
| 13:58.08 | madeddie | my palm didn't malfunction as often, but then again, my palm wasn't capable of malfunctioning on the things my zaurus malfunctions on, the more it can do, the more it'll fail to do :) |
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| 16:32.31 | treke_ | seen mallum? |
| 16:32.43 | treke_ | ibot, seen mallum? |
| 16:32.44 | | mallum is currently on #gpe (7h 40m 30s) #elinux (7h 40m 30s) #handhelds.org (7h 40m 30s). Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 3h 24m 21s |
| 17:01.22 | MG_Tak | back |
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| 17:19.46 | absentia | there seems to be so much more out there for ipaw/familiar than zaurus |
| 17:20.43 | pHluid | Seems to be, because there is. |
| 17:20.48 | pHluid | But in the words of kergoth |
| 17:20.53 | pHluid | "it's not sane" |
| 17:21.09 | absentia | what is "sane" ? |
| 17:22.41 | madeddie | mentally healthy |
| 17:23.03 | madeddie | i.e. not crazy |
| 17:24.53 | pHluid | Ask kergoth. |
| 17:25.08 | pHluid | Anytime you disagree, it's "there's no other sane way to do it." |
| 17:25.11 | pHluid | "users these days." |
| 17:26.10 | pHluid | "Could I just fix the ipkg?" "No. You have to rebuild the entire thing off the buildroot." "Serious? I couldn't just like, edit the damn link listing in the ipkg? I have to rebuild it?" - "Yes. There's no other sane way to do it." |
| 17:26.26 | madeddie | hehe |
| 17:26.38 | madeddie | it's called manic |
| 17:26.44 | madeddie | or sometimes even maniac |
| 17:26.49 | madeddie | depends on how many letters you can spare |
| 17:27.57 | absentia | has anyone here managed to get u4 or exult to work ? |
| 17:28.34 | madeddie | i have no clue what they are, so, i haven't |
| 17:29.15 | kergoth | pHluid: s/sane/non-hackish/ |
| 17:29.27 | kergoth | :) |
| 17:29.32 | pHluid | See. :) |
| 17:29.34 | madeddie | uhuh |
| 17:30.22 | madeddie | hmm, the lights just automagically turned themselves off, it's about time to go home i recon |
| 17:32.57 | MG_Tak | hi kergoth |
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| 17:44.58 | absentia | I think feeds are dangerous. |
| 17:45.07 | absentia | I posted a small rant to the externe mailnig list |
| 17:45.13 | absentia | how... something I installed killed opera. |
| 17:45.16 | absentia | what? unkonwn. |
| 17:45.20 | absentia | fix? unkown... reflash |
| 17:45.31 | absentia | so, how can I use the zaurus for pim or to store any data -- when I'm constantly reflashing |
| 17:45.44 | absentia | because random installs kill ramdom apps in random (and non-undoable) ways? |
| 17:45.44 | MG_Tak | absentia: make backups |
| 17:46.06 | absentia | heheh |
| 17:46.06 | MG_Tak | what does it back up? I don't have 25M of data on that thing. |
| 17:46.19 | absentia | exactly. |
| 17:46.24 | absentia | and.. what does it miss? |
| 17:46.59 | MG_Tak | well with 25M backups, I'm guessing it's not missing anything |
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| 19:54.24 | kergoth | k, updated openzaurus.org news |
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| 20:21.14 | MG_Tak | The Z could make a cool wireless remote control.. |
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| 20:26.40 | Jondo | Hello all. I just got a Zaurus 5500. Its got Qtopia on it. How do I put files on it from linux? |
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| 20:28.24 | absentia | if I understand correctly... qtopia is just a graphical interface... |
| 20:28.32 | absentia | the unterlying system is ... or should be... based on linux. |
| 20:28.52 | absentia | that is, you should already have linux on it... |
| 20:28.57 | Jondo | Right, but I mean't how can I take files from my pc running linux and stick them on my zaurus? |
| 20:29.02 | kergoth | ftp.. scp.. |
| 20:29.13 | kergoth | ftp to port 4242 on the Z |
| 20:29.14 | Jondo | Its connected using the cradle..? |
| 20:29.17 | kergoth | login as root p: rootme |
| 20:29.19 | absentia | the easiest from a pc... is probably samba on the 5500 |
| 20:29.23 | absentia | I prefer ssh/scp |
| 20:29.34 | absentia | and web browsing from pda |
| 20:30.24 | Jondo | I don't have a nic for the Z though. I only have the cradle. |
| 20:30.36 | kergoth | and that matters why? |
| 20:30.45 | kergoth | it uses tcp/ip over the cradle |
| 20:30.51 | kergoth | no difference from doing so over an ethernet interface |
| 20:30.54 | kergoth | read the howtos on zaurus.com |
| 20:31.00 | Jondo | Do I not need to load a userland usb driver? |
| 20:31.03 | Jondo | *nod* |
| 20:31.09 | kergoth | its not userland. |
| 20:31.12 | kergoth | read the howtos |
| 20:34.35 | Jondo | "tips & tricks", or FAQs? |
| 20:36.07 | Jondo | I'm only finding windows centric stuff on myzaurus.com? |
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| 22:09.06 | gar_ | anyone know why ssh root@192.168.129.201 would connect me to my local (pc) side sshd instead of to the zaurus? (ifconfig shows usb0 routed to this ip.) |
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| 22:14.49 | gar_ | does this make any sense?? |
| 22:15.42 | gar_ | i set up a /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-usb0 which works configures the interface as soon as I plug in the zaurus |
| 22:16.05 | kergoth | sounds like your script is wrong |
| 22:16.06 | gar_ | but, why is it routing to localhost?? |
| 22:16.21 | kergoth | .. |
| 22:16.24 | kergoth | i'm not a fucking psychic. |
| 22:16.27 | kergoth | if you want help, give details |
| 22:16.31 | kergoth | paste your exact script |
| 22:16.49 | gar_ | BOOTPROTO=static |
| 22:16.49 | gar_ | BROADCAST=192.168.129.255 |
| 22:16.49 | gar_ | IPADDR=192.168.129.201 |
| 22:16.49 | gar_ | NETMASK=255.255.255.0 |
| 22:16.49 | gar_ | NETWORK=192.168.129.0 |
| 22:16.49 | gar_ | DEVICE=usb0 |
| 22:16.51 | gar_ | NOZEROCONF=yes |
| 22:16.59 | kergoth | well obviously |
| 22:17.06 | kergoth | you're assigning yourself 192.168.192.201 |
| 22:17.13 | kergoth | thats the ip of the DESKTOP SIDE of the usb interface |
| 22:17.17 | kergoth | not the ip that the Z has. |
| 22:17.25 | gar_ | ok, i'm an idior |
| 22:17.27 | gar_ | idiot |
| 22:17.28 | kergoth | set that to 192.168.129.1 or something |
| 22:17.28 | gar_ | thanks |
| 22:17.30 | kergoth | np |
| 22:19.52 | gar_ | yup that works a hell of a lot better |
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| 22:29.52 | kcr | Does anyone understand why my z won't unsuspend when I run apm -s while apmd is running? |
| 22:34.57 | kergoth | because of a bug in the implementation |
| 22:35.01 | kergoth | (of apm that is) |
| 22:35.12 | kergoth | if two processes have apm_bios open at suspend-time, thats the behavior |
| 22:35.26 | kergoth | if you patch apmd to do the suspending when it gets a signal, and send apmd a signal so it does the suspending, it works. |
| 22:35.30 | kergoth | (which is the workaround used in OZ) |
| 22:36.52 | kergoth | kcr: no one has had time to investigate. once there was a workaround its priority got dropped |
| 22:37.45 | kcr | right. huh. |
| 22:40.58 | kcr | thanks. |
| 22:41.15 | kergoth | np |
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| 23:54.36 | absentia | e |
| 23:54.37 | absentia | wow |
| 23:54.45 | absentia | I think the SDL lib I installed is whacked |
| 23:54.57 | absentia | when my screen flips from landscape to portrait (pda mode?) |
| 23:55.03 | absentia | the text is upside down and backwards! |