| 00:06.01 | aedh | any of you are watching the flame ware on the zaurus-general mail list? made me giggle... hehe |
| 00:06.55 | darkschneider | nope, anything intreting said? |
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| 00:15.38 | treke | flame war? |
| 00:17.00 | treke | the sun thing? |
| 00:20.37 | darkschneider | somone know what "PRNG is not seeded" means? |
| 00:20.53 | darkschneider | i get it from sshd on my Z when i try to start it |
| 00:29.46 | darkschneider | where is the ctrl key? |
| 00:30.03 | mspencer | shift + Fn? |
| 00:30.21 | darkschneider | i dont' know.. |
| 00:30.28 | darkschneider | but it's not wokring.. |
| 00:30.48 | treke | vmware hates me tonight |
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| 00:51.44 | Apsd | Hey everyone |
| 00:51.52 | Apsd | Is there a kernel patch for 2.4.20/21? |
| 00:52.04 | treke | there are lots of patches for 2.4.20 and 2.4.21 |
| 00:52.15 | Apsd | for usbdnet |
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| 01:00.09 | absentia | lame |
| 01:00.15 | absentia | knoppix doesn't work on my compaq laptop... |
| 01:03.52 | absentia | tewet |
| 01:03.53 | absentia | test |
| 01:09.22 | absentia | anyone here? has anyone seen a dynamism nand backup file or image to flash? |
| 01:10.02 | absentia | ah, ok, I see sharp location. |
| 01:10.22 | pole | anyone know why the 8/14 oz snapshot has so much lag suspending it? |
| 01:10.36 | absentia | no |
| 01:10.58 | treke | apm problems |
| 01:15.57 | pole | k |
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| 01:38.58 | Luke-Jr | hrm... Brando says C760 is $655 :/ |
| 01:45.34 | darkschneider | nigth all |
| 01:48.36 | absentia | night |
| 01:48.42 | absentia | mine was $817 delivered |
| 01:49.32 | absentia | can anyone get to www.cacko.biz |
| 01:49.33 | absentia | ? |
| 01:50.22 | warmi | no |
| 01:50.25 | absentia | :-< |
| 01:50.25 | absentia | ok |
| 01:50.25 | warmi | this site is down |
| 01:51.07 | absentia | http://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=UpDownload&file=index&req=viewsdownload&sid=18 |
| 01:51.10 | absentia | found a mirror |
| 01:54.04 | Luke-Jr | Can Zaurus be converted from English to Japanese? |
| 01:56.31 | absentia | probably. |
| 01:56.35 | absentia | talk to sukoshi |
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| 02:11.46 | rev|z | yo |
| 02:13.04 | absentia | hmmm |
| 02:13.08 | absentia | the caco images dont' seem to be zip files |
| 02:13.12 | absentia | they aren't image files |
| 02:13.15 | absentia | I wonder what they are. |
| 02:16.20 | absentia | can't get to conics.net either |
| 02:16.26 | absentia | I thihnk I should just give up for tonight. |
| 02:18.20 | absentia | crashed opera |
| 02:18.21 | absentia | heheh |
| 02:21.48 | Apsd | Hi Warmi |
| 02:22.56 | rev|z | heh |
| 02:25.02 | treke|ho1e | evening rev |
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| 02:44.38 | absentia | this cacko rom isn't doing shit |
| 02:47.29 | treke|home | nothing worse then a rom that's doing shit |
| 02:50.04 | absentia | keeps saying wait 5 4 3 2 1 |
| 02:50.06 | absentia | and releating |
| 02:50.14 | absentia | then says ln spawing too fast, suspending for 5 minutes |
| 02:50.24 | treke|home | My guess is you've got the wrong kernel |
| 02:50.29 | absentia | I tried to go to the serivce menus and select option 3... for a full reset? |
| 02:50.32 | absentia | but that didn't do anything. |
| 02:50.37 | absentia | treke: ah. |
| 02:50.51 | kergoth | forget to rename to zimage.bin or something? |
| 02:51.04 | absentia | don't think so |
| 02:51.15 | absentia | the zip file only had updater.sh and initrd |
| 02:51.24 | absentia | ya |
| 02:51.26 | treke|home | absentia: That's because it uses the sharp rom kernel |
| 02:51.30 | absentia | with openzaurus, I didn't name the kernel correctly |
| 02:51.32 | treke|home | openzaurus uses it's own kernel :) |
| 02:51.34 | absentia | ah! |
| 02:51.39 | absentia | I wiped the sharp kernel |
| 02:51.48 | treke|home | and replaced it with the OZ kernel |
| 02:51.57 | absentia | I don't think I have a copy of the sharp kernel |
| 02:52.08 | absentia | does the full reset ... reset it back to japanese? |
| 02:52.12 | absentia | all option 3 did for me was reboot |
| 02:52.27 | treke|home | full reset does whatever the rom wants to do on full reset |
| 02:52.38 | absentia | hmmm |
| 02:52.39 | absentia | hmm |
| 02:53.01 | absentia | seems my options are limited. |
| 02:53.11 | absentia | I'll try to look up the d+M thing. I've never done that. |
| 02:54.15 | treke|home | no amount of fiddling will fix it if the problem is an incorrect kernel |
| 02:54.28 | absentia | I am trying to learn... that's all. |
| 02:54.38 | absentia | I have a conics nand760.bck file |
| 02:54.44 | absentia | but I only have 128mb CFs |
| 02:54.58 | kergoth | you could theoretically locate the kernel and rip it out of there |
| 02:55.00 | treke|home | time to upgrade :) |
| 02:55.02 | kergoth | its in the first nand partition |
| 02:55.05 | absentia | -rw-rw-rw- 1 root . 138543120 Jan 1 2003 SYSTC760.DBK |
| 02:55.13 | absentia | argh! |
| 02:55.58 | absentia | I'mtrying to remember what I did to get the sharp roms back on my 700 |
| 02:56.05 | absentia | I whould think sharp would have roms out. |
| 02:56.23 | kergoth | go to the sharp zaurus spacetown |
| 02:56.29 | kergoth | they have the c700 rom updates there |
| 02:56.35 | kergoth | and the other japanese units |
| 02:56.37 | absentia | 760 |
| 02:57.35 | absentia | I don't know spacetown |
| 02:57.48 | kergoth | go to more.sbc.co.jp |
| 02:57.51 | treke|home | kergoth: I still dont get the name |
| 02:57.53 | kergoth | far right link in one of the top link bars |
| 02:57.55 | kergoth | treke|home: me neither |
| 02:58.07 | treke|home | it has to be a japanese thing |
| 02:58.10 | absentia | ya |
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| 03:00.20 | absentia | hmmm |
| 03:00.46 | absentia | I'll try searching for sharp kernel |
| 03:03.19 | absentia | of course... 13 mb too small to do the nand restore. |
| 03:03.27 | absentia | yeah |
| 03:08.18 | absentia | what is updater.sh ... it certainly doesn't look like a shell script |
| 03:08.27 | kergoth | its an "encrypted" shell script |
| 03:08.30 | kergoth | cause sharp are dumbfucks. |
| 03:08.34 | kergoth | but it is a shell script |
| 03:08.36 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: Brando says C760 is $655 o.o |
| 03:08.40 | absentia | news to me! |
| 03:08.54 | kergoth | absentia: openzaurus.org/official/experimental/ has a little c app to encode/decode it |
| 03:09.08 | absentia | ya |
| 03:09.10 | absentia | I've seen that |
| 03:09.14 | absentia | I mean.... encrypted sh... |
| 03:09.18 | absentia | wtf were they thinking? |
| 03:09.29 | kergoth | no idea |
| 03:09.36 | kergoth | i mean, are they trying to protect their... |
| 03:09.42 | kergoth | flash read write commands |
| 03:09.44 | kergoth | and for loops? |
| 03:09.54 | kergoth | its a fucking joke |
| 03:09.55 | absentia | ah, ya, sash says you have to use sharp kernel, not oz kernel |
| 03:10.04 | absentia | kergoth: exactly. |
| 03:10.19 | kergoth | its the typical corporate mindset. hide unless you have a reason to do otherwise |
| 03:10.26 | absentia | yup |
| 03:10.27 | kergoth | which is the opposite of what they should be doing to interact with us |
| 03:10.33 | absentia | anyone here wanna sharp a 760 sharp kernel ? |
| 03:11.06 | absentia | I thought that thread had a link to some kernels to use |
| 03:11.11 | absentia | but cacko.biz seems to b down |
| 03:12.42 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: didn't the bot say they were $610? |
| 03:12.45 | absentia | sukoshi seems to have some (nice) kernels up... but for 700 only. |
| 03:12.50 | kergoth | ibot: brando |
| 03:12.51 | | hmm... brando is sells/exports the Sharp Zaurus and other electronics http://shop.brando.com.hk/ or mailto:brando@brando.com.hk. C700 $500, C750 $525, C760 $610 USD, (and $45 shipping via fedex) use email for zaurus orders, or plus shipping, or no warranty and japanese sortware. |
| 03:12.56 | kergoth | yeah, odd |
| 03:13.07 | kergoth | was that price including shipping or no? |
| 03:13.16 | kergoth | you can see that 610 + 45 for shipping comes to your 655. |
| 03:13.29 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: not including |
| 03:13.31 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: I think |
| 03:13.35 | kergoth | confirm. |
| 03:13.36 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: site suggests not incl |
| 03:13.42 | kergoth | email. |
| 03:13.45 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: guy's email just pointed to site |
| 03:14.10 | kergoth | odd. i dont know anyone who's gotten accurate info off the site, everybody had to contact him directly |
| 03:14.23 | absentia | holding down the d and the m key while turning on doesn't go to a menu ... |
| 03:15.43 | kergoth | it does for my c750.. |
| 03:15.50 | kergoth | it must be during an actual turn on. not suspend/resume |
| 03:15.52 | absentia | unplug |
| 03:15.53 | kergoth | but the actual start of the linux kernel |
| 03:15.55 | absentia | swith lever |
| 03:15.58 | absentia | pull out battery |
| 03:16.01 | absentia | put battery back in |
| 03:16.02 | absentia | plug in |
| 03:16.04 | absentia | switch switch |
| 03:16.06 | kergoth | you must hold them down through the battery switch flip |
| 03:16.09 | absentia | hold d+m, power on |
| 03:16.12 | absentia | just boots. |
| 03:16.12 | kergoth | _then_ hit on while still holding them |
| 03:16.18 | absentia | ah |
| 03:16.20 | kergoth | thats why it didnt work |
| 03:16.26 | kergoth | dunno why they went with such a convoluted method |
| 03:16.28 | absentia | while flipping on... |
| 03:16.50 | kergoth | press d+m, keep holding, flip switch, hit on, then release |
| 03:16.52 | kergoth | iirc. |
| 03:17.27 | absentia | just boots |
| 03:17.32 | kergoth | odd. |
| 03:17.39 | absentia | I'm probably not doing it right. |
| 03:17.55 | absentia | I know conics has a nand out... but do they have an image and a rom? |
| 03:18.19 | absentia | heheh, looks like I'm stuck with oz :-) |
| 03:19.08 | absentia | http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/viewtopic.php?t=495&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=90 |
| 03:19.11 | absentia | there are the kernels |
| 03:19.26 | absentia | still down |
| 03:21.16 | absentia | oh, wait... I'll try.... sukoshi's kernel. |
| 03:24.44 | absentia | fuck |
| 03:24.46 | absentia | ]still failing |
| 03:28.43 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: you're right... website has incorrect info =p |
| 03:28.43 | Luke-Jr | kergoth: he replied to my new email saying the $655 includes is |
| 03:28.43 | Luke-Jr | it* |
| 03:28.44 | Luke-Jr | which leaves the problem on paying him :\ |
| 03:28.55 | absentia | ya |
| 03:28.59 | absentia | doesn't take cc over $500 ? |
| 03:29.59 | absentia | night |
| 03:30.00 | absentia | thanks for the help |
| 03:33.58 | absentia | with the sukoshi kernel |
| 03:34.07 | absentia | it seems to be locked or stopped with a sharp logo on the screen |
| 03:34.28 | absentia | some japanese at the bottom.. starting with the backwards J like and L ... and no numbers. |
| 03:34.49 | Luke-Jr | absentia: cc? |
| 03:34.55 | absentia | credit card |
| 03:42.05 | absentia | ha |
| 03:42.07 | absentia | it woke up |
| 03:42.10 | absentia | running something. |
| 03:45.38 | Luke-Jr | absentia: he doesn't take cc according to website... |
| 03:45.58 | absentia | over $500 |
| 03:46.03 | absentia | good luck with it |
| 03:46.09 | absentia | I ended up going through dynamism |
| 03:46.11 | absentia | but it does cost more |
| 03:46.26 | absentia | ok, I have netfront and hancom stuff back... I'm happy |
| 03:46.27 | absentia | night all! |
| 03:48.35 | absentia | wow |
| 03:48.38 | absentia | he has an opera on here! |
| 03:48.43 | absentia | ok, time to go play |
| 03:53.59 | treke|home | absentia: He doesnt do credit cards at all |
| 03:54.06 | treke|home | absentia: paypall or bank transfer |
| 03:57.45 | Luke-Jr | Do bank transfers cost money? |
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| 04:08.05 | absentia | ah |
| 04:08.23 | absentia | treke: have you seen the cacko rom? |
| 04:08.37 | treke|home | absentia: Seen it. |
| 04:08.39 | treke|home | not used it |
| 04:08.45 | absentia | I like the opera browser.... |
| 04:08.56 | absentia | I'm playing with it now, since my 760 decided to wake up and run it. |
| 04:08.58 | absentia | see ya tomorrow. |
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| 06:14.59 | Sepero | Hello everyone. |
| 06:15.49 | Sepero | Anyone in here know if the C760's have protected ram incase the battery dies? |
| 06:16.09 | treke|home | Data is stored in flash |
| 06:17.47 | Sepero | Is that a yes? :| |
| 06:19.12 | Sepero | I know that the 5600's have this feature, but I haven't seen anything mentioned about it on the C760's... |
| 06:20.07 | treke|home | yes. The 700 use the same type of storage |
| 06:21.03 | Sepero | Thx for the info. I think I'm going to be buying a c760 instead of a 5600. |
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| 07:05.16 | Sepero | treke|home: You still here? |
| 07:14.20 | treke|home | yes |
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| 07:42.43 | Sepero | doh, where was I? |
| 07:43.46 | Sepero | treke|home: do you currently have access to a xscale 400mhz zaurus? (any of them?) |
| 07:57.59 | treke|home | yes |
| 08:00.14 | Sepero | Is it currently in your possession? If so, I have a favor to ask of you. |
| 08:00.27 | treke|home | Just get on with it |
| 08:01.09 | Sepero | Could you run this script on it and tell me the results: |
| 08:01.09 | Sepero | time for i in `seq 100000`; do i=$(($i + 1)); done |
| 08:02.52 | treke|home | No |
| 08:03.04 | treke|home | Neither time nor seq are on it |
| 08:03.47 | Sepero | ok, thanks |
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| 09:16.26 | pyromance | OK |
| 09:16.27 | pyromance | So |
| 09:16.52 | pyromance | I made a Livejournal Zaurus community: http://www.livejournal.com/community/zaurus |
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| 09:45.16 | drigolin | Hi |
| 09:57.05 | drigolin | anybody has a Zaurus 5500D to sell? |
| 10:02.04 | pyromance | There is no 5500D |
| 10:02.24 | pyromance | The 5000D (developer model) was the only D model |
| 10:02.30 | pyromance | Then there was the SL-5500 and SL-5600 |
| 10:02.45 | drigolin | Sorry, SL-5500 and SL-5600 |
| 10:03.11 | pyromance | Here's a 5000D on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3047860630&category=15029 |
| 10:03.34 | pyromance | And there are dozens of SL-5500's there |
| 10:06.27 | drigolin | I'm in Italy and maybe anybody close to me has one. At the moment to buy a new one I found only reconditioned product from Sharp on www.expansys.it |
| 10:07.55 | pyromance | Hmm ... I am not familiar with Italian suppliers. I am sorry. |
| 10:09.06 | drigolin | Do you have a suggested WiFi card for the Zaurus? I saw that LinkSys is good. On Expansys they have a DLink at good price. But I read couple of issue on Zaurus+DLink. |
| 10:09.55 | pyromance | I use the Socket Low Power one ... it's perfect for me but a little expensive |
| 10:11.31 | drigolin | FIne, I have a supplier with a good price for Socket. Did you try hearing mp3/ogg streaming over WiFi. I'm thinking to put in place a Wireless JukeBox |
| 10:11.44 | drigolin | And I'm looking for experience on that. |
| 10:12.23 | pyromance | I haven't used streaming, but I did NFS mount a bunch of MP3s and that worked well. Others have gotten streaming to work. |
| 10:13.15 | drigolin | The standard mp3 player available on Zaurus is XMMS variant? |
| 10:15.41 | pyromance | It's propriatary softare, but XMMS is ported to the Z |
| 10:15.51 | pyromance | http://zsi2.stonekeep.com for software |
| 10:16.25 | drigolin | NFS mounting is it part of the standard distribution? |
| 10:16.55 | pyromance | I don't know ... It's been months since I've used the standard ROM |
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| 10:20.15 | drigolin | Are you using the standard ROM? |
| 10:22.10 | pyromance | Nope. I don't even remember anything about the standard rom |
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| 15:58.08 | George- | uh, hello all |
| 15:59.00 | kergoth | hey george |
| 16:00.04 | warmi | hello ( said using my best impression of British accent ) |
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| 16:02.00 | George- | kergoth: laptop still busted : |
| 16:02.03 | George- | :D |
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| 16:42.20 | mewyn | george: i'm getting a powerbook in two weeks |
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| 17:14.19 | absentia | sukoshi... put your husky kernel w/ cacko rom.... works great. |
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| 17:43.21 | Sepero | Doesn't anybody ever talk in here? (besides me :) |
| 17:45.02 | Sepero | Has anyone ever heard of a cellular modem for the z? I don't have a cellphone, buy I do want a cellular connection. |
| 17:46.14 | Sepero | *but I do |
| 17:48.06 | fliplap | i don't know if any of them are supported |
| 17:48.56 | Sepero | oh |
| 17:49.56 | Sepero | What are they called, so I can do a search in google. |
| 17:50.35 | Sepero | I searched for cellular modem and got a whopping 3 matches. |
| 17:51.06 | fliplap | sprint makes a CF card for thier PCS network |
| 17:51.37 | fliplap | unless you literally mean cellular, in which case i can only think of the pcmcia one that Compaq made way-back-when |
| 17:52.24 | Sepero | I mean anything that allows me to connect to the internet without an intermidiate pc. |
| 17:54.51 | fliplap | well lots of things accomplish that |
| 17:54.53 | treke | that is a wide market |
| 17:55.04 | treke | a compact flash ethernet card could accomplish that |
| 17:55.09 | fliplap | you could use a regular modem, you could use a wired ethernet card, you could use wifi |
| 17:55.32 | fliplap | you could pcs, serial to a old cell phone |
| 17:55.50 | Sepero | without an intermediate pc |
| 17:55.58 | fliplap | yes |
| 17:56.13 | fliplap | why would you need a PC todo any of those things |
| 17:56.17 | treke | Sepero: none of those require a pc |
| 17:56.30 | fliplap | ok, lunch time |
| 17:56.50 | Sepero | I won't be near any phonelines |
| 17:56.56 | Sepero | or other pc's |
| 17:57.27 | Sepero | and I don't have a cell... |
| 17:57.48 | Sepero | a wired ethernet card? |
| 17:58.18 | treke | Sepero: a plain old ethernet card |
| 17:58.47 | Sepero | That involves connecting to another pc, right? |
| 17:58.55 | treke | No |
| 17:59.14 | Sepero | I mean connecting a "wire" |
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| 18:00.04 | Sepero | right? |
| 18:00.35 | Sepero | ... |
| 18:01.00 | Sepero | Wifi doesn't require an intermediate pc? |
| 18:01.01 | treke | Well you need to plug the ethernet cable into something |
| 18:01.27 | Sepero | I've never used ethernet before. I've always been on dialup. |
| 18:01.57 | treke | Sepero: None of these need an intermediate pc. All of them need some form of device to communicate with |
| 18:02.32 | Sepero | I may seem to be coming off as sarcastic, but I honestly know almost nothing about networking. |
| 18:03.18 | Sepero | Ok, I see. So you mean like a "wifi device". |
| 18:03.37 | treke | yes. Just like you need a phone line to plug a modem into |
| 18:03.38 | Sepero | Those get what, like 80ft? |
| 18:03.47 | treke | higly variable |
| 18:04.04 | Sepero | I understand |
| 18:04.04 | treke | Should go 80 feet though |
| 18:04.39 | Sepero | I'm gonna need something I can use on the interstate. |
| 18:05.06 | Sepero | Does that eliminate every option? |
| 18:05.28 | Sepero | Besides using a cellphone, which I don't have? |
| 18:05.37 | treke | Pretty much. |
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| 18:06.50 | Sepero | I really don't want a cellphone. It'd just be extra baggage. I just need a "cellular like" modem... :( |
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| 18:07.03 | fliplap | um, anything you can use on the interstate is going to be expensive |
| 18:08.26 | Sepero | I know... :) Maybe I should take this question to Sprint. |
| 18:08.52 | fliplap | perhaps, but i doubt the zaurus supports the sprint PCS card |
| 18:09.04 | fliplap | plus the PCS card is expensive, for both the card and the plan |
| 18:09.37 | fliplap | have you considered the possibility that perhaps you maybe don't need internet access in the car? |
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| 18:09.58 | Sepero | I don't own a z yet, but I REALLY want to get a c760. But they're still quite pricey. (~$800) |
| 18:10.04 | kergoth | uh |
| 18:10.05 | kergoth | ibot: brando |
| 18:10.07 | | methinks brando is sells/exports the Sharp Zaurus and other electronics http://shop.brando.com.hk/ or mailto:brando@brando.com.hk. C700 $500, C750 $525, C760 $610 USD, (and $45 shipping via fedex) use email for zaurus orders, or plus shipping, or no warranty and japanese sortware. |
| 18:10.28 | Sepero | I don't need access on the interstate. |
| 18:10.44 | fliplap | [11:04:40] <Sepero> I'm gonna need something I can use on the interstate. |
| 18:10.48 | fliplap | [11:10:28] <Sepero> I don't need access on the interstate. |
| 18:10.55 | Sepero | lol |
| 18:11.03 | Sepero | Sorry |
| 18:11.08 | Sepero | *want |
| 18:11.47 | Sepero | I want something I can use on the interstate. I don't _need_ it though. |
| 18:12.09 | Sepero | It is _preferable_ |
| 18:13.05 | Sepero | I would like to be able to walk through the park while still doing my pc work. I hate being tied to my desk, it sucks. |
| 18:15.35 | fliplap | f the park, find a coffee shop with a wifi connection |
| 18:15.54 | fliplap | if you live around a college campus there's bound ot be a few of them |
| 18:16.05 | treke | you wont be using a c760 much in a park :p |
| 18:16.10 | fliplap | there were 3 of em within walking distance of my old apartment |
| 18:19.43 | Sepero | Those are good ideas :( |
| 18:20.09 | Sepero | It's too bad I don't live in the city |
| 18:21.28 | fliplap | neither do i |
| 18:22.19 | fliplap | unless you live in some one horse town in nebraska you should be able to find a coffee joint w/ wifi |
| 18:23.36 | Sepero | We don't have "coffee joints" around here. lol |
| 18:24.08 | fliplap | what? Where do you live that doesn't have a coffee shop? |
| 18:24.10 | Sepero | It's about a 20 minute drive to the nearest barnes N nobles |
| 18:24.32 | Sepero | I live on the outskirts of Tampa |
| 18:25.07 | Sepero | They don't even run cable where I live. :) |
| 18:25.26 | fliplap | ok, in less than 30 seconds i found 7 coffee shops with wifi access within 5 miles of tampa |
| 18:25.29 | Sepero | It's either satalite or dialup out here. |
| 18:25.58 | Sepero | I don't live in tampa |
| 18:26.00 | fliplap | and thats just using starbucks locations |
| 18:26.29 | Sepero | I live in thonotosassa. :) ? |
| 18:26.49 | Sepero | type that in and say it three times fast heheh |
| 18:27.24 | fliplap | there's 2 within 10 miles |
| 18:27.31 | Sepero | It's between tampa and zephyrhills |
| 18:27.36 | fliplap | http://www.starbucks.com/retail/locator/PrxResults.aspx?a=1&LOC=28.0608264596421%3a-82.3027344797106&CT=28.0608264596421%3a-82.302734479710610.3313316895994%3a7.74849876719956&countryID=244&FC=WIRELESS&dataSource=MapPoint.NA&Radius=10&GAD2=&GAD3=Thonotosassa%2c+Florida%2c+United+States&IC=28.0608264596421%3a-82.3027344797106%3a32%3aThonotosassa%2c+Florida%2c+United+States |
| 18:27.51 | fliplap | god, sorry, didn't know the URL was that long |
| 18:27.53 | Sepero | 2 starbucks? |
| 18:28.09 | fliplap | 2 starbucks with wifi access |
| 18:28.25 | fliplap | 3 more without |
| 18:28.30 | Sepero | checking... |
| 18:28.46 | fliplap | this all assuming you have a car |
| 18:30.06 | Sepero | Yeah, I wasn't planning to _drive_ to the internet, but... |
| 18:30.07 | fliplap | ok, time to go do, uh, something else |
| 18:31.08 | fliplap | you expectations are unreasonable, using cellular to get online is very expensive, and if you live as far out in the boonies as you say, the reception might not even be good enough to get a connection |
| 18:31.12 | fliplap | plus it will be very slow |
| 18:32.02 | Sepero | Thanks for your help fliplap. I think I just needed someone else's opinion on this. |
| 18:33.01 | absentia | anyone seen the ascii demo "bb" ... we need to get that on the zaurus |
| 18:33.46 | cyn_ | hahahaha treke true that |
| 18:34.04 | cyn_ | treke: actually you can use it with just brightness knocked up once if you're under a lush tree |
| 18:34.13 | Sepero | How much does cellular internet cost? I think I read it was about $60/month |
| 18:34.29 | cyn_ | you can get tmobile gprs unlimited for $30/mo |
| 18:34.51 | cyn_ | some other plans are $20 but are supposed to be for minimal use (pda with email) and technically the unlimited is 80 or something |
| 18:34.53 | Sepero | What does gprs stand for? |
| 18:34.59 | cyn_ | general packet radio service |
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| 18:35.05 | cyn_ | it's a different standard for cellular |
| 18:35.16 | cyn_ | pretty thin coverage in most areas atm |
| 18:35.34 | Sepero | Interesting |
| 18:36.17 | Sepero | I assume you need a cellphone for tmobile's gprs service. |
| 18:36.33 | cyn_ | you need something that talks gprs |
| 18:36.52 | cyn_ | best bet will be cellphone and then irda to zaurus, or cellphone w/ bluetooth and bluetooth to zaurus |
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| 18:37.28 | cyn_ | [cellphone with irda is not practical unless you have a table] |
| 18:37.42 | Sepero | I guess I'm gonna be stuck with dialup then. |
| 18:37.47 | fliplap | and even then its just annoying |
| 18:37.53 | cyn_ | yea |
| 18:38.00 | Sepero | *regular dialup |
| 18:38.06 | cyn_ | i dunno if it's the Z or my cellphone |
| 18:38.12 | cyn_ | but one of them is really finicky/shitty irda |
| 18:38.20 | cyn_ | it takes me 3 minutes or so to align them |
| 18:38.22 | fliplap | its probably both |
| 18:38.25 | cyn_ | yeah |
| 18:38.29 | cyn_ | that'd definitely account for it |
| 18:38.41 | fliplap | the Z is really low power, and the cell phone likely ain't too hot either |
| 18:38.52 | fliplap | the downside of power conservation |
| 18:38.53 | Sepero | lol |
| 18:39.06 | cyn_ | the cellphone worked well with the clie |
| 18:39.06 | cyn_ | but the clie was pretty high power/etc. |
| 18:39.12 | fliplap | nod |
| 18:39.19 | cyn_ | so as long as the clie had a good reciever it would work with about anything |
| 18:45.04 | Sepero | Anyone know why Sharp didn't use SDIO? |
| 18:45.19 | Sepero | Boost SD storage sales? |
| 18:45.28 | treke | there are no sd io drivers written for linux |
| 18:46.09 | Sepero | I see... |
| 18:50.39 | pHluid | Plus it's cheaper. Heh. |
| 18:50.56 | treke | the 5600 does have sdio support |
| 18:51.06 | treke | at least some form of it |
| 18:51.11 | pHluid | Yah? |
| 18:51.24 | treke | yes. |
| 18:53.43 | Sepero | treke: are you going to tell us what you mean by "at least some form of it"? |
| 18:53.58 | treke | It can speak to an SDIO device |
| 18:54.17 | Sepero | such as? |
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| 18:54.51 | treke | Erm, any device you write a driver for. |
| 18:55.33 | Sepero | Let me just get out gcc and start coding then... :) |
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| 19:03.13 | Sepero | I know this guy selling a brand new c760 for about $650. Anyone know where I might be able to get it cheaper? |
| 19:03.54 | treke | Japan. |
| 19:04.05 | Sepero | Cool! heheh |
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| 19:04.48 | treke | 650 is probably as cheap as you will find |
| 19:04.53 | fliplap | anyone know the approx retail price in japan? I know people who go over there a couple times a year |
| 19:05.50 | Sepero | ummmm |
| 19:05.53 | treke | fliplap: From what I've heard, they are priced like pdas here. Around 500 bucks for the c760 |
| 19:06.11 | fliplap | still alittle pricey for my pocket |
| 19:06.40 | treke | pricey, but definitly a fair price for the device |
| 19:06.55 | fliplap | yeah |
| 19:07.39 | Sepero | Do you think there's a site where I could get one of those without having to know japanese? :) |
| 19:08.02 | treke | Sepero: dynamism, brando, conics, japandirect |
| 19:08.07 | Sepero | I've seen the instructions on converting them to english, it's easy. |
| 19:09.16 | Sepero | I've been to all those site's except brando. Their prices are $700-$800 I'm going to brando now. :) |
| 19:10.28 | treke | fliplap: http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/viewtopic.php?t=367 |
| 19:11.39 | mallum | fliplap: I got one in Japan about a month back for 680,00 yen |
| 19:12.05 | Sepero | How does that convert? :) |
| 19:12.32 | mallum | Sepero: to dolloars, I dunno - but its approx 350 pounds sterling |
| 19:13.04 | treke | sugar, what is 68000JPY in USD |
| 19:13.06 | Sugar | 68000 JPY is 580.45239 US$ |
| 19:13.14 | Sepero | geez, that sounds like less than $500 |
| 19:13.25 | fliplap | as much as i would like one, i can't lay down that kinda scratch |
| 19:13.37 | treke | sugar what is 350 GBP in USD |
| 19:13.39 | Sugar | 350 GBP is 557.32483 US$ |
| 19:14.02 | mallum | heh, not far off ;-) |
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| 19:15.00 | treke | 30 bucks over retail isn't too bad :p |
| 19:15.17 | fliplap | not at all |
| 19:15.26 | treke | still expensive |
| 19:15.39 | mallum | treke: yeah but I avoided postage and fucking customs :-) |
| 19:15.53 | fliplap | dynamism's $220 over retail is a bit insane, but they do handle the warrenty stuff for you |
| 19:16.00 | treke | yeah. I had to pay 45 bucks for shipping. No customs |
| 19:16.10 | mallum | trekewhen I ordered the c700 UK customs wanted another 70 quid on top :/ |
| 19:16.12 | treke | Which could very well be worth 200 bucks |
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| 19:17.28 | cyn_ | customs for me was only like 45 iirc |
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| 19:26.17 | MG_Tak_ | afternoon |
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| 19:34.00 | absentia | anyone use VIC or any mbone (video) tools on linux? |
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| 19:34.26 | absentia | anyone use VIC or any mbone (video) tools on linux? ? |
| 19:55.39 | Luke-Jr | absentia: mbone? how? |
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| 21:49.00 | absentia | re |
| 21:55.20 | absentia | grrr |
| 21:55.24 | absentia | mouse doesn't work under knoppix... |
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| 22:26.07 | rev | yo |
| 22:32.11 | treke|home | rev: yo |
| 22:33.01 | rev | hey treke |
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| 22:55.01 | rev | teen girl squad! |
| 22:55.14 | fdask | where? |
| 22:55.16 | fdask | :p |
| 23:06.57 | absentia | hmmm |
| 23:07.18 | absentia | the gaim that's on sourceforge for zaurus doesn't seem to want to connect to irc for me. |
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| 23:12.00 | crabsentia | hello |
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| 23:16.00 | absentia | hi |
| 23:20.17 | MG_Tak | hi absentia |
| 23:20.22 | crabsentia | hi |
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| 23:20.39 | crabsentia | trying the qpe gaim here |
| 23:21.44 | Luke-Jr | I want 3.14.159.26 or 3.141.59.26 IP addresses! =p |
| 23:22.15 | crabsentia | I had C00C0CC0 |
| 23:22.30 | crabsentia | :-) |
| 23:52.32 | crabsentia | does anyone have zmame or qmame.ld? |
| 23:52.49 | crabsentia | the killefiz links appear to be dead |
| 23:53.19 | crabsentia | test |
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