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| 01:06.37 | Luke-Jr | Anyone here ever played XviD on the Z? |
| 01:06.48 | rev | XviD? |
| 01:06.51 | rev | or do you mean DivX? |
| 01:06.55 | rev | is it a different codec |
| 01:06.58 | rev | or are you just being l33t? |
| 01:08.21 | Luke-Jr | XviD |
| 01:08.28 | Luke-Jr | xvid.org IIRC |
| 01:09.24 | Luke-Jr | it's open source MPEG-4 |
| 01:13.35 | rev | ah |
| 01:13.39 | rev | neve rheard of or used it :) |
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| 01:26.22 | pole | umkay, this is the situation |
| 01:26.35 | pole | i have a Z that i just flashed wiht unstable kernel and root image |
| 01:26.54 | pole | the darn kernel image doesnt have a usbdnet module so i can not do anything with it |
| 01:27.10 | pole | i dont have any other CF read-able device.... what can i do? |
| 01:28.32 | MG_Tak | pole: I don't think there's anything.. |
| 01:28.39 | pole | hmm.... |
| 01:28.57 | pole | any other small cf 802.11b cards? |
| 01:29.07 | kergoth | you can get a usb or pcmcia CF reader for dirt cheap.. |
| 01:29.07 | MG_Tak | socket's small |
| 01:29.22 | MG_Tak | pole: I got mine for $20 (USB reader, not Socket card) |
| 01:30.19 | pole | oh, that is a solution... but i need a cf 802.11b card anyway |
| 01:30.35 | MG_Tak | pole: I donno if you wanna spend $130 like I did :) |
| 01:31.06 | pole | huk |
| 01:31.30 | pole | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3046688421 |
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| 01:31.37 | pole | i had that thing sniped at 60 and barely lost |
| 01:32.00 | pole | that is real cheap |
| 01:37.04 | rev | i like my ambicom wifi card fine |
| 01:37.29 | rev | unlike the freaking linksys wcf12 |
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| 01:52.22 | pole | hmm... ambicom seems larger than the symbol |
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| 01:55.00 | pole | smc also seems small |
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| 02:31.47 | geoff_Z | hello |
| 02:31.51 | rev | yo |
| 02:32.01 | treke_ | yo |
| 02:32.50 | rev | i dropped Physics I |
| 02:33.29 | rev | and traded it in for a biology independent study research class reading about cellular automata and writing programs to model biological systems using them |
| 02:33.38 | treke_ | gee. Sounds like a blast |
| 02:34.14 | kergoth | i'd 've rather stayed in physics 1 |
| 02:34.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:34.18 | rev | that doesn't sound like fun? pffft |
| 02:34.25 | rev | i'd do that for fun |
| 02:34.26 | rev | hell |
| 02:34.27 | rev | i've *done* it for fun |
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| 02:39.37 | Luke-Jr | Anyone here ever played XviD on the Z? |
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| 02:57.24 | meshuga | and anyone know where to get the glass digitizer for a sl-5500? |
| 03:00.50 | ljp | sharp, or find a zaurus that is not working |
| 03:01.07 | meshuga | kergoth told me its a single sealed holder w/ the lcd |
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| 03:04.41 | Labtec | does anyone have any pre-formatted videos that will work on the zaurus? |
| 03:04.54 | meshuga | just search for pocketpc divx movies |
| 03:04.56 | meshuga | theres some on kazaa |
| 03:05.16 | Labtec | does the zaurus play divx? |
| 03:05.27 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:06.12 | Labtec | with which player? |
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| 03:13.12 | Luke-Jr | Anyone here ever played XviD on the Z? |
| 03:13.24 | kergoth | how many times are you going to ask? |
| 03:13.31 | Luke-Jr | until someone answers probably |
| 03:13.39 | kergoth | then you'll be kicked. |
| 03:13.43 | Luke-Jr | why |
| 03:13.44 | kergoth | if no one answers, no one is here. |
| 03:13.47 | kergoth | or they dont know. |
| 03:13.51 | kergoth | wait. |
| 03:13.54 | Luke-Jr | which is why I ask at intervals |
| 03:14.07 | kergoth | NO ONE IS HERE |
| 03:14.10 | kergoth | that hasnt changed. |
| 03:14.20 | kergoth | if someone returns, their irc client has a scrollback buffer. |
| 03:14.20 | Luke-Jr | X-Chat lists 72 ppl =p |
| 03:14.23 | kergoth | and? |
| 03:14.33 | kergoth | you seem to imply that has anything to do with this |
| 03:14.45 | kergoth | good for you. |
| 03:14.53 | Luke-Jr | i don't expect most people to have the time to |
| 03:14.54 | kergoth | this is a general irc politeness thing. |
| 03:14.58 | kergoth | repetition will not be tolerated |
| 03:15.07 | kergoth | particularly within _1_ minute intervals |
| 03:15.18 | Luke-Jr | it wasn't within 1 minute |
| 03:15.20 | kergoth | try 20-30 and maybe you wont piss me off quite so much |
| 03:15.25 | kergoth | 22:15 < Luke-Jr> Anyone here ever played XviD on the Z? |
| 03:15.49 | Luke-Jr | there was approx 35 mins between |
| 03:15.53 | kergoth | then wait longer. |
| 03:15.54 | Luke-Jr | that last time |
| 03:15.56 | Luke-Jr | ... |
| 03:16.11 | Luke-Jr | <kergoth> try 20-30 |
| 03:16.37 | kergoth | "quite so much" |
| 03:16.44 | kergoth | i didnt say it wouldnt piss me off. |
| 03:16.47 | kergoth | its still inappropriate conduct |
| 03:17.00 | kergoth | note: if there's no channel activity, your question wont scroll off. |
| 03:17.07 | kergoth | common sense. |
| 03:17.08 | Luke-Jr | it had |
| 03:17.13 | Luke-Jr | on my screen at least |
| 03:17.17 | kergoth | i'm happy for you. |
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| 04:06.08 | Luke-Jr | W8TVI_: ? |
| 04:07.08 | Luke-Jr | I didn't do 90 yet? |
| 04:07.10 | Luke-Jr | =p |
| 04:07.16 | W8TVI | Luke-Jr: by now some one would have told you weather or not they did what your asking... |
| 04:07.22 | W8TVI | so your answer is no. |
| 04:07.38 | Luke-Jr | assuming someone who had done it saw the question |
| 04:07.39 | W8TVI | why dont you try it yourself and tell us how it went? |
| 04:07.49 | W8TVI | people saw it. |
| 04:08.02 | Luke-Jr | not everyone, I'm sure... o.o |
| 04:08.18 | W8TVI | we just didn't have an anser for you. |
| 04:08.30 | W8TVI | we all want to you quit asking |
| 04:09.15 | W8TVI | We Are The channel. You Will Be Assimilated. Resistance Is Futile. |
| 04:09.39 | Luke-Jr | "We" are 2 people so far =p |
| 04:11.03 | W8TVI | people are irrelevant, "so far" is irrelevant. You Will Be Assimilated. Resistance Is Futile. |
| 04:11.34 | Luke-Jr | So you're saying I should get a Z...? =p |
| 04:11.57 | DRONE_0001 | your PDA Will Be Assimilated. |
| 04:12.06 | Luke-Jr | ... |
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| 04:17.29 | W8TVI | We do not assimilate inferior biological organisms. |
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| 04:47.43 | cleverdra | does anyone have wget for the Zaurus? killefiz.de only teases with a URL whose hostname I can't resolve. |
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| 05:03.57 | rev | hey |
| 05:10.52 | VampireZIM | rev |
| 05:11.00 | VampireZIM | have you played with UX50 yet? |
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| 05:30.10 | rev | nope |
| 05:30.14 | rev | i've no where to play with it |
| 05:30.27 | rev | it is a US or Jp-only item? |
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| 05:53.23 | TrekCycling | anyone around? I had a question about the current state of OZ |
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| 06:08.49 | twostop | ChipX86 are u here? |
| 06:09.12 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 06:09.48 | twostop | hi. any news on libgaim for the Z so I can build a version with my SSCP protocol plug-in |
| 06:11.53 | ChipX86 | it'll be after 0.69 is out |
| 06:12.07 | ChipX86 | and an official libgaim won't be out until sometime around 0.70 |
| 06:12.28 | twostop | Bummer BTW, SSCP diff is: http://www.toyz.org/gaimsscp.html |
| 06:13.21 | twostop | it's for 0.68. I would hope it would be similar for whatever libgaim is based on (hope hope) |
| 06:14.04 | ChipX86 | a lot has changed in 0.69, and all the prpl ops will be changing in 0.70 |
| 06:14.38 | twostop | ah crap :-) |
| 06:15.18 | twostop | man I want to get this code running on the Z. what are timelines for all this? |
| 06:15.19 | ChipX86 | it's for the best. It'll remove some complexity in the code |
| 06:15.32 | ChipX86 | 0.69 within a couple of weeks if we can get some stuff ironed out |
| 06:15.59 | ChipX86 | I expect to spend a month at least on 0.70, since it's going to be a major release, probably, with new jabber, logging code, and a finished core/UI split.. maybe even privacy changes |
| 06:16.35 | ChipX86 | after that, qpe-gaim 0.3 or 0.4 will be out, with contact support, SSL, new MSN, new Yahoo, Jabber, prefs dialog, notification options, maybe smileys |
| 06:16.45 | twostop | so there might be some chance of getting some version of libgaim I could try of the 0.69? |
| 06:16.51 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 06:16.54 | ChipX86 | probably |
| 06:17.01 | ChipX86 | the Adium guys want it too, so I'll be making one in time |
| 06:18.03 | twostop | cool. so maybe in a few weeks. thanks |
| 06:18.04 | ChipX86 | g'night kergoth |
| 06:18.16 | ChipX86 | np |
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| 06:22.30 | Luke-Jr | Since apparently noone has tried to play XviD on a Z yet, could someone test it and see if it works? |
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| 09:17.13 | Panda | Hellp Terke! |
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| 10:36.56 | MG_Tak | Morning |
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| 13:02.26 | liyang | What do people here use for USB connectivity for their Z? I'm slightly miffed by the fact that I can't get at the keyboard with the Z in the cradle... |
| 13:04.22 | MG_Tak | fbvnc |
| 13:04.35 | MG_Tak | or just plain old ssh |
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| 13:13.00 | liyang | I mean hardware-wise. |
| 13:14.01 | liyang | I'm quite taken by the ZipLinq cables, but they don't do a Zaurus one, so I'm tempted to build my own Z <-> 5-pin mini USB connector, and buy one of their cables. Which would be nice as it'll also work with my camera. |
| 13:19.03 | MG_Tak | oh |
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| 13:27.39 | liyang | Doesn't that suck up batteries like anything though? I mean, if I'm going to use wireless seriously at all, I'm going to need to give my Z an external power feed, by which point I might as well stick to the wired connection. |
| 13:28.20 | chrisb | use a lan card in the CF slot then |
| 13:28.37 | pHluid | How "seriously" are you using the Z? |
| 13:29.52 | liyang | heh, just listening to music on it at the minute. Was thinking of making all the stuff on my desktop accessible to the Z. |
| 13:30.07 | pHluid | I get about an hour and a half of full usage out of a 5500 with a D-Link 660w (one of the most power-hungry wifi cards) ... which is enough to get me through an 8 hour workday, definately... and you should get much more out of a 5600 or C7x0 with a low power card like a Socket or a Symbol |
| 13:30.20 | liyang | (never mind the USB stuff is still broken at the minute; I'm on a dodgy 5600 OZ kernel. :) |
| 13:31.14 | pHluid | If you're JUST listening to music you should get a few hours. |
| 13:31.39 | liyang | The other thing I'd like to use my Z for is to hold my GPG key. :) |
| 13:31.41 | pHluid | It's when you're doing stuff nonstop, using wifi, etc it really whips the shit out the battery, even then I'd expect 2, 2 1/2 hours out of a 5600 |
| 13:32.22 | icefox | hehe doing full wifi etc you would be lucky with an hour I would think |
| 13:32.36 | pHluid | "full wifi" yes |
| 13:32.36 | icefox | of course depends on the card etc etc |
| 13:32.44 | liyang | I got quoted 30 minutes from someone on a 5500. :-/ |
| 13:32.50 | pHluid | But just having it on with a connect and doing this or that every now and then... |
| 13:32.59 | pHluid | liyang: Their battery must be seriously shot |
| 13:33.03 | icefox | with a bad wifi card 30 minutes sounds right |
| 13:33.05 | liyang | <g> |
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| 13:33.17 | pHluid | Or they were trying to transfer a few gigabytes of data back and forth |
| 13:33.17 | pHluid | heh |
| 13:33.33 | liyang | He has a home-brew external battery pack. |
| 13:33.38 | pHluid | I pull an hour and a half out of mine with wifi enabled and like polling for mail or popping on the web every now and then |
| 13:34.54 | liyang | Hour and a half is pretty bad though; I got at least 7 hours just listening to OGGs, and the indicator was still at 50%. |
| 13:35.11 | pHluid | Oh, yeah, it's definately not good. |
| 13:35.23 | pHluid | A PDA should, ideally, have 8 hours of juice in it, imho. |
| 13:35.26 | pHluid | But that's a fantasy :P |
| 13:35.45 | liyang | That was on the Sharp ROM which doesn't turn the display off. I haven't used it for extended periods on OZ yet... |
| 13:36.27 | pHluid | Man, speaking of PDA's |
| 13:36.34 | pHluid | I was looking at subnotebooks on dynamism |
| 13:36.38 | pHluid | and I saw the Samsung Nexio |
| 13:36.44 | pHluid | Which looks like a seriously badass PDA |
| 13:36.50 | pHluid | But the price... jesus |
| 13:36.52 | mallum | treke: ping |
| 13:36.55 | liyang | (the display sucks up 50mA; I just measured it here.) |
| 13:37.13 | pHluid | liyang: Just the display, or display + backlight... |
| 13:37.38 | pHluid | The backlight is a worse battery killer than wifi, or at least it seems that way |
| 13:38.38 | pHluid | The samsung nexio, btw, costs $1,300 :P |
| 13:48.54 | liyang | pHluid: with the backlight off. I'm using the `turn display off but don't suspend' option under Opie. |
| 13:50.01 | liyang | Charing an almost full battery, with full backlight: 580mA; backlight off: 270mA; display off: 220mA. |
| 13:50.22 | pHluid | Haha. |
| 13:50.45 | pHluid | Figures the damn backlight is more than half |
| 13:51.05 | liyang | suspended & not charging: ~10mA or less. |
| 13:51.23 | liyang | I was playing around with the idea of letting the thing charge from USB... |
| 13:51.25 | pHluid | Really |
| 13:51.29 | pHluid | I thought it might be a bit higher |
| 13:51.37 | pHluid | I expected 30-50mA |
| 13:52.07 | liyang | It's not charging; why would it be drawing any power at all? |
| 13:52.25 | pHluid | In suspend? |
| 13:52.29 | liyang | Yup. |
| 13:52.35 | pHluid | Because of alarms. |
| 13:52.49 | pHluid | And keeping the RAM alive. |
| 13:52.52 | liyang | Alarms take up negligible power. |
| 13:52.56 | liyang | That too. |
| 13:54.02 | liyang | with it (and the display) on, it's 110mA. (no backlight.) |
| 13:54.03 | pHluid | I |
| 13:54.16 | liyang | (waiting for the display to switch off...) |
| 13:54.32 | pHluid | Which way does the RAM pull when the battery is functioning... |
| 13:54.38 | pHluid | Cause there's that little internal battery |
| 13:54.55 | pHluid | Which can be expected to live a day or two after the main battery dies |
| 13:55.03 | liyang | Did I claim anywhere that these figures were accurate? :) |
| 13:55.18 | pHluid | So does it pull from the internal and swap to the internal when the external dies? |
| 13:55.26 | pHluid | Or does it pull strictly from the internal battery |
| 13:55.27 | liyang | 70mA on, display & backlight off. |
| 13:55.37 | pHluid | What happened to 270mA? |
| 13:55.57 | liyang | That was with it charging the Li-ion battery... |
| 13:56.05 | pHluid | Ahhh, ok |
| 13:56.36 | liyang | I could try taking the battery out and run it just on DC-in. |
| 13:56.42 | liyang | (if it'll let me.) |
| 13:56.45 | pHluid | So you're measuring the draw externally? |
| 13:56.45 | pHluid | or measure off the leads |
| 13:58.07 | liyang | (Hm? Isn't that the same thing? I'm not sure what difference you mean...) Measuring what's going into the DC connector at the base. |
| 13:58.21 | pHluid | Yeah, it would be the same. |
| 13:58.46 | pHluid | I was referring to the battery leads, but it should be the same power draw either way |
| 14:01.25 | liyang | Crap. I just killed the power. -_- |
| 14:09.30 | liyang | Hi kergoth :) |
| 14:10.15 | kergoth | hey |
| 14:14.18 | mallum | kergoth: hey, I got the mplayer-w100 thing to run under X :-) |
| 14:14.48 | kergoth | nice |
| 14:14.52 | kergoth | how is ti? |
| 14:14.53 | kergoth | it |
| 14:15.33 | mallum | its playing a 320x240 avi no probs |
| 14:16.07 | kergoth | cool |
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| 15:41.32 | Panda | Hi, is there any good Email client can using on Sharp Rom directly? |
| 15:41.43 | Panda | i do not like using that Sync tools :( |
| 15:41.57 | Panda | kergoth : any good suggestions ? |
| 15:41.58 | kergoth | eh, doesnt sharp include an email client? |
| 15:43.06 | Panda | Ha, They do not support zh_cn GB18030 locale and without sources :) |
| 15:43.37 | Panda | and seems only can work under synchronization mode? |
| 15:44.19 | Panda | You only use OPIE? or ... using iPAQ since then? |
| 15:44.28 | kergoth | opie is a gui |
| 15:44.35 | kergoth | i use openzaurus, since I'm the OZ maintainer. |
| 15:45.14 | Panda | ah? somebody told me maintainer of OZ have been hired by TI ... |
| 15:45.25 | kergoth | yes, i work at TI |
| 15:45.31 | fusion94 | kergoth: bah..thats a lame excuse for using OZ |
| 15:45.41 | ChipX86 | fusion94: I tend to agree |
| 15:45.54 | ChipX86 | that's like Linus using Linux |
| 15:46.07 | kergoth | well technically I dont use OZ for real world stuff either |
| 15:46.12 | kergoth | my Z's collect dust unless i'm testing something |
| 15:47.16 | Panda | ... hehe so sl5500 still popular ? |
| 15:47.28 | Panda | maybe someone are using sl5600 now .. |
| 15:47.30 | kergoth | not particularly. the scene is rather dead |
| 15:47.34 | kergoth | c7x0 revived it somewhat |
| 15:47.36 | fusion94 | kergoth: looking at pron doesnt equal "testing something" |
| 15:47.37 | kergoth | but still nothign like it was |
| 15:47.48 | kergoth | fusion94: errrrr damn! |
| 15:48.17 | fusion94 | unless you live in dallas |
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| 15:51.19 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 15:51.23 | warmi | hi |
| 15:56.55 | Neo|Work | dang |
| 15:57.08 | Neo|Work | just heard of, and tested, verisigns latest stunt with domain wildcards |
| 15:57.11 | Neo|Work | that is just plain wrong |
| 15:58.22 | treke | Here's a question, if somone chooses wwww.foo.com, and foo.com is a valid domain, but wwww is not a valid entry, do they get the advertisements? |
| 16:00.08 | Neo|Work | no that shouldn't happen |
| 16:00.19 | Neo|Work | because then it should be sent to be resolved by the foo.com nameserver |
| 16:01.11 | treke | Is it just me, or can verisigns server not handle the traffic :) |
| 16:01.53 | treke | The domains resolve, but the server times out |
| 16:04.05 | Neo|Work | hmm worked for me |
| 16:05.39 | treke | hmmm. just hangs on loading |
| 16:08.02 | warmi | oh .. hmm, a new consumer oriented Qtopia based PDA ? |
| 16:08.05 | warmi | from Royal ? |
| 16:08.19 | warmi | anyone knows anything about it ? |
| 16:08.36 | warmi | well, I bet it won't be binary compatible with zaurus apps ... |
| 16:09.03 | kergoth | heh, they'd be fools to keep bc. they shouldve gone gcc3 |
| 16:09.05 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:09.57 | warmi | well, one of the reasons MS succeded was because they were very religious about binary compatibility ... no, " lets start over from scratch" every 2 years |
| 16:10.09 | warmi | and that works, people like to be able to run older software |
| 16:10.13 | treke | warmi: Well that wasnt the case as much with wince |
| 16:10.22 | kergoth | this isnt "older" software in the traditional sense |
| 16:10.30 | kergoth | its interdevice compatibility, not historical |
| 16:10.36 | treke | with the platform split |
| 16:10.59 | warmi | yeah, but it would be nice to be able to use hundreds of existing Qtopia apps |
| 16:11.08 | Panda | hoho, kergoth, warmi, treke , please give me an good solution to help me receive and send email on my sl5500. i really can not find email client on Sharp rom |
| 16:11.14 | warmi | of course, if that thing ever becomes even remotely popular people will recompile their stuff for it but still |
| 16:11.35 | kergoth | Panda: use ZSI. we arent your personal software reference. |
| 16:11.51 | Panda | :) thanks in advance |
| 16:11.52 | warmi | Panda: how about the default one ? |
| 16:12.03 | Panda | and please give me some help :) |
| 16:12.14 | treke | google.com. zaurus mail client |
| 16:12.23 | Panda | seems default one is designed for working with Win2k Sync tools |
| 16:12.23 | warmi | Panda: I only used the default client |
| 16:12.33 | warmi | it is not the best thing but it does work |
| 16:12.41 | warmi | more/less heeh |
| 16:13.18 | warmi | treke: btw ...majority of WinCE apps from 1999 or 2002 will run perfectly on the latest PPC (2003 ) |
| 16:13.20 | Panda | and still i can not find out any debug info , so i do not know whether it doesn't work |
| 16:13.32 | warmi | Panda: your guess is as good as mine :-) |
| 16:13.53 | treke | warmi: I'm thinking of WinCE 2 |
| 16:14.28 | Panda | warmi ? a? but qtopia is not design for 'compiling once, running everywhere'? |
| 16:14.33 | treke | when half the apps were written for mips and half the apps were written for sh3 and your were damn lucky if your platform had the app you want |
| 16:14.34 | warmi | the problem with keeping binary compatibility is that unless you design everything perfect the first time around, you are stuck with tons of outdated APIs etc .. just like Win32 :-) |
| 16:14.43 | treke | Panda: Of course not |
| 16:14.56 | treke | Panda: It's compile once run on any binary compatible system |
| 16:15.03 | Panda | many Java Apps can directly porting from one Arch to another |
| 16:15.20 | warmi | Panda: well, java apps are not really apps .. just scripts :-) |
| 16:15.30 | treke | Panda: And qtopia isnt java based |
| 16:15.36 | warmi | so , as long as your "interpreter" is the same, it will run everywhere :-) |
| 16:16.22 | Panda | hehe, gcc is not very hard to use, so SRC is most popular i think :) and like use SRC directly if they give me .. |
| 16:16.39 | warmi | but yeah, kergoth is right I guess .. the stuff that Sharp released 2 years ago was pretty much beta - version of Qtopia running on outdated qt 2.x version using substandard ARM compiler |
| 16:16.50 | warmi | from what I keep hearing , gcc 3.x is much better |
| 16:16.55 | treke | yup |
| 16:18.12 | warmi | Panda: no, gcc is not all that hard to use , asuming you are a programmer |
| 16:19.57 | Panda | ahah, i'm writing codes for MIPS arch only and seems they've merged preemptive and low latency kernel patch more faster than Zaurus kernel tree |
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| 16:20.46 | Panda | en, seems my last week updated sharp rom 2.38 just started using low latency patch |
| 16:21.15 | warmi | Panda: well, I don't think I even use that kernel on my desktop let alone my PDA :-) |
| 16:22.26 | kergoth | preempt + low latency is quite nice, if you can assume the drivers you're using wont blow up horribly |
| 16:22.33 | kergoth | which isnt an assumption i'd make with any lineo drivers |
| 16:23.38 | treke | even the hh.o kernel blows up |
| 16:24.03 | treke | which usually fairly stable |
| 16:27.47 | warmi | well, well ... I guess that is why lineo is not around anymore :-) |
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| 16:28.44 | cfowler | Anyone know how to fix this when compiling arm programs? |
| 16:28.47 | cfowler | skipping incompatible /opt/Qtopia/sharp/lib/libqpe.so |
| 16:30.31 | Panda | treke , warmi , kergoth : tkcMail .. $19.95, that's too expensive :( |
| 16:31.02 | Panda | BTW: you do not using your Z process your mail everyday in WC? |
| 16:31.20 | kergoth | WC? |
| 16:32.16 | Panda | ... waiting room ... |
| 16:32.44 | treke | We don't set the price. If you want the functionality you need to pay for the existing app or write your own |
| 16:34.13 | cfowler | I forgot to run tmake |
| 16:35.18 | warmi | Panda: well, you know ... stuff costs money :-) |
| 16:36.11 | Panda | warmi :) but OPIE is free, so ... |
| 16:36.38 | treke | Panda: You are free to write your own app |
| 16:36.40 | warmi | well, then you have a choice |
| 16:37.37 | Panda | treke : i only write some codes for MiPS arch and driver and totally know nothing about ARM & QT |
| 16:37.57 | Panda | warmi : you means porting that email clinet from OPIE to sharp ? |
| 16:38.11 | kergoth | porting? |
| 16:38.20 | Panda | warmi : sounds like a good idea, porting something is more easier than write a new one |
| 16:38.41 | warmi | well, I said that you have a choice - meaning you can use Sharp default email client, install OPIE and use that one or purchase TKC app |
| 16:38.53 | Panda | kergoth : ? can every app on OPIE run directly on sharp rom? without any bug? |
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| 16:39.30 | kergoth | Panda: nearly all opie apps will run on sharp if you install libopie, without much of a problem |
| 16:39.36 | kergoth | if there are bugs, those are bugs, not "porting" |
| 16:40.25 | Panda | warmi : reflash my ROM back to OP is a good idea , but locale setting & fonts are big problems for me |
| 16:40.43 | kergoth | eh? |
| 16:40.48 | warmi | Panda: what kind of locale are you using ? |
| 16:40.51 | Panda | and i've used OPIE for about 3 months |
| 16:40.55 | kergoth | Opie has support for far more languages than qtopia |
| 16:41.02 | kergoth | and Vera is superior to helv |
| 16:41.12 | Panda | warmi : zh_CN GB2312 & zh_CN GB18030 |
| 16:41.29 | kergoth | ah, opie support for that probably isnt that far. why not assist the translation effort? |
| 16:41.57 | Panda | kergoth i need simsun fonts , but they are own by M$ |
| 16:42.16 | warmi | Panda: oh well :-) |
| 16:42.20 | kergoth | the unicode font doesnt meet your needs? |
| 16:42.26 | warmi | nobody said life would be easy |
| 16:42.46 | Panda | seems opie on ipaq have been build an locale zh_cn gb18030 but sl5500 not including that |
| 16:43.19 | Panda | kergoth : that fonts is good enough |
| 16:44.04 | kergoth | then you're using an older opie on the 5500 |
| 16:44.16 | Panda | actually speaking , i'm still waiting for all of you : terke kergoth, warmi : to do all the jobs like localization for OPIE users like me :) |
| 16:44.22 | kergoth | eh? |
| 16:44.27 | kergoth | ~lart Panda |
| 16:44.33 | kergoth | i dont translate to languages i dont fucking know. |
| 16:44.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:44.52 | warmi | Panda: I don't know anything about Chinese :-) |
| 16:45.04 | warmi | you wouldn't want to use my translation anyway |
| 16:45.31 | treke | Panda: Than you can keep waiting til the cows come home |
| 16:45.49 | treke | Panda: Someone who speaks the language needs to step up and do the work. |
| 16:46.12 | Panda | kergoth : let me check ... i've just used opie 3.1 last week |
| 16:46.23 | kergoth | 3.1 is not an opie version. |
| 16:46.33 | Panda | open zaurus |
| 16:46.56 | kergoth | there are no openzaurus 3.1 images on openzaurus.org |
| 16:47.07 | kergoth | and i said you're on an old opie, i didnt say there was a newer openzaurus |
| 16:47.52 | pole | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3046421128 <- hell yea! |
| 16:48.58 | pole | what would it take to compile a usbdnet module for this kernel? |
| 16:48.59 | pole | http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/collie/zImage-2.4.21-cl1.bin |
| 16:49.17 | kergoth | more work than you want to do |
| 16:49.28 | kergoth | oh, i thought you meant usbd |
| 16:49.34 | kergoth | usbdnet is crap, dont use it. |
| 16:49.37 | kergoth | usbnet will work with that kernel |
| 16:49.42 | pole | kergoth: what can i use then? |
| 16:49.44 | kergoth | the device on the Z is usbf |
| 16:50.10 | Panda | kergoth ? why make such modification |
| 16:50.13 | kergoth | you shouldnt be using usbdnet at all. |
| 16:50.17 | kergoth | Panda: huh? |
| 16:50.19 | pole | oh, well what is the module name for that? |
| 16:50.25 | kergoth | on teh Z or desktop? |
| 16:50.30 | pole | Z |
| 16:50.34 | kergoth | Z its probably monolithic, not modular |
| 16:50.39 | kergoth | check ifconfig -a while on the cradle |
| 16:50.46 | pole | um, nothing shows up |
| 16:50.58 | Panda | i'm using usbd modules on my 2.4.20 x86 |
| 16:51.06 | kergoth | Panda: usbd is worthless. |
| 16:51.15 | kergoth | Panda: and _will_ kernel panic machines. |
| 16:51.27 | Panda | so why ? ... horrible |
| 16:51.28 | kergoth | s/usbd/usbdnet/ |
| 16:51.33 | kergoth | why? because lineo are fuckwits? |
| 16:51.55 | kergoth | i'm sorry, i cant answer why people are stupid or inet. |
| 16:51.57 | kergoth | inept |
| 16:52.09 | pole | kergoth: so you are saying that usb support is built in that kernel image? |
| 16:52.11 | Panda | sorry, please using some officlal english, as you know i'm not good at american english... |
| 16:52.33 | Panda | 's/usbd/usbdnet/'??? |
| 16:52.34 | kergoth | lets try again |
| 16:52.42 | kergoth | s/// is a regular expression |
| 16:52.47 | kergoth | its spoken language agnostic. |
| 16:52.52 | kergoth | has nothing to do with english |
| 16:53.04 | Panda | ..... |
| 16:53.11 | Panda | and lineo is what? |
| 16:53.16 | kergoth | ibot: lineo |
| 16:53.17 | | well, lineo is the maker of the Embedix Plus PDA embedded linux operating system found on devices such as the Sharp Zaurus, and can be found at http://www.lineo.com, or a big fan of unnecessary complexities and convoluted code. |
| 16:53.21 | pole | wtf, my Z ran out of battery and i cant start it up again |
| 16:53.23 | W8TVI | Panda: its a vi command (or something) to correct a miss-spelled line |
| 16:53.23 | kergoth | lineo is the company behind the distro on the Zaurus |
| 16:53.35 | Panda | and 'fuckwit' euqals 'fuck with ..?' |
| 16:53.40 | kergoth | Panda: try using google instead of wasting my time |
| 16:53.46 | W8TVI | Panda: nope |
| 16:54.09 | W8TVI | Panda: replace "fuck" with "dumb" |
| 16:54.14 | Panda | W8TVI : oh, thanks :) |
| 16:54.15 | kergoth | Panda: idiots, fools, inept, lacking skill, stupid |
| 16:54.19 | pole | kergoth: why pick on someone like that if it's wasting your time? just ignore him... |
| 16:54.37 | W8TVI | its fun to pick on someone |
| 16:54.43 | kergoth | pole: because its fun? |
| 16:54.44 | kergoth | yeh |
| 16:55.06 | W8TVI | s/dumb/dim/ |
| 16:55.20 | Panda | pole :( i don't think you're more better than me on techniques |
| 16:55.36 | pole | explain what you are talking about |
| 16:55.51 | W8TVI | "more better"? please use some officlal english |
| 16:56.11 | Panda | pole : maybe the only one thing you're * better than me is offical english |
| 16:56.28 | W8TVI | and not some basterdized english :P |
| 16:56.54 | pole | so anyone know what happens when the battery dies totally? |
| 16:57.01 | cfowler | Are there any good sites on writing code for the Zaurus? |
| 16:57.03 | W8TVI | it blows up |
| 16:57.04 | pole | i plugged the machine in, but nothing happens |
| 16:57.10 | kergoth | the Z autosuspends immediately when the battery is critical |
| 16:57.19 | kergoth | you'll need to wait till it charges to a certain point before you can "turn it on" |
| 16:57.24 | pole | oh |
| 16:57.29 | pole | ok... |
| 16:57.31 | W8TVI | pole: leave it pluged in for awhile and wait |
| 16:57.47 | W8TVI | and keep waiting |
| 16:57.53 | kergoth | kernel boot -> autosuspend due to full reset -> you hit ON -> Z wakes up, sees battery is critical, resuspends -> rinse, repeat |
| 16:58.48 | pole | kergoth: so the usb ethernet driver on the Z is called... what? |
| 16:58.54 | W8TVI | kergoth: doesn't even power-on the LCD, right? |
| 16:59.00 | kergoth | W8TVI: correct |
| 16:59.15 | kergoth | so it appears that it wont wake up |
| 16:59.17 | pole | what about the charging lcd indicator? |
| 16:59.21 | SolarX | Not even the led I think. |
| 16:59.26 | pole | that thing didnt even come on |
| 16:59.29 | kergoth | charging led should go on immediately on plugigng in the AC |
| 16:59.36 | pole | it isnt on |
| 16:59.39 | SolarX | When I first got mine I thought it was broken, but I left it to charge for a night and the next morning it worked. |
| 16:59.48 | SolarX | And it hasn't ever failed since |
| 16:59.50 | pole | ok.... ill just give it more time |
| 16:59.55 | kergoth | insert AC -> ACON interrupt/wakeup source -> wakeup -> enable charge -> back to sleep |
| 16:59.58 | kergoth | on |
| 17:00.00 | kergoth | you're on 2.4.21? |
| 17:00.02 | kergoth | oh |
| 17:00.34 | W8TVI | mine did that but would go off after a sec, so I kept unpluging and pluging it in untill the charge led stayed on |
| 17:00.48 | kergoth | yeah, you may have to twiddle with it a bit |
| 17:00.55 | kergoth | 2.4.21 doenst enable charging until the battery driver loads |
| 17:01.04 | kergoth | which means, when you full reset, it doesnt enable charging until after you "turn it on |
| 17:01.07 | kergoth | " |
| 17:01.10 | kergoth | which is an annoying bug |
| 17:01.27 | pole | so... restart the machine? |
| 17:01.34 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:01.44 | kergoth | i'm telling you that it doesnt charge after full reset |
| 17:01.48 | kergoth | so why would you full reset again? |
| 17:01.48 | W8TVI | if the battery is alomost dead, and you cant turn it on, you cant charge? |
| 17:02.02 | pole | i already did a full reset... cus it didnt respond whatsoever |
| 17:02.22 | kergoth | well, the Z always has enough power to get the kernel started, otherwise you couldnt start charging after inserting AC |
| 17:02.30 | kergoth | inserting AC wakes up the suspended kernel and enables charging and goes back to sleep |
| 17:02.43 | kergoth | in this case, you need enough power to get the kernel booted far enough :) |
| 17:02.51 | kergoth | absolute worst case i believe you can go into the diags |
| 17:02.53 | kergoth | and enable charging there |
| 17:02.56 | kergoth | at boot level |
| 17:03.03 | pole | so... how can i get it to boot level? |
| 17:03.36 | kergoth | p+d+full reset = diags |
| 17:03.49 | kergoth | to get back to normal, hit 'clear diag flag' and reset |
| 17:04.09 | W8TVI | and you can use the tuch screen on that too :) |
| 17:04.29 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:04.30 | W8TVI | s/tuch/touch/ |
| 17:04.35 | kergoth | how complex is "p+d+full reset" |
| 17:04.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:04.41 | W8TVI | heh |
| 17:04.43 | pole | swwe |
| 17:04.45 | pole | sweet |
| 17:04.50 | pole | first time i did that |
| 17:05.03 | kergoth | i gave you more background information than you needed, just ignore what goes over your head and follow the steps you get |
| 17:05.46 | pole | kergoth is a bit... *touchy* these days, but sure knows his shit |
| 17:05.49 | W8TVI | pole: when your in the diag screen, you can use the stylus select things on the screen |
| 17:06.09 | kergoth | pole: nono, i'm not just touchy these days, i've always been touchy |
| 17:06.16 | W8TVI | lol |
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| 17:10.49 | pole | i hit clear diag flag, a screen comes up and then i hit the reset button, but still nothing happens |
| 17:11.51 | pole | clear diag boot flag |
| 17:11.56 | pole | Flag = none |
| 17:12.05 | pole | ----:(FFFFFFFF). |
| 17:15.36 | pole | ah screw it for now... have to go to class |
| 17:25.17 | pole | fuck, it still doesnt boot up |
| 17:30.17 | W8TVI | pole: just leave it to charge for about 12 hours |
| 17:30.44 | pole | even without a battery charging led on? |
| 17:31.19 | W8TVI | you said that you had to go to class? |
| 17:31.34 | W8TVI | if so, just leave it pluged in while your there. |
| 17:31.42 | pole | k |
| 17:31.45 | pole | thanks |
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| 18:07.03 | sandokan | hi |
| 18:07.25 | sandokan | anyone reading? |
| 18:07.34 | sandokan | I'd like to develop a pieace of software for the zaurus |
| 18:07.58 | sandokan | the problem I have is that when I link against qtopia I get undefined references with some uuic stuff |
| 18:08.17 | sandokan | so I decided to compile qte my self (I was using an RPM) |
| 18:08.47 | sandokan | now, I don't know what to do, should I compile qte with the arm-gcc compiler or with my standard gcc compiler? |
| 18:09.09 | kergoth | do you want to build your app for the Z or for your desktop? |
| 18:09.24 | kergoth | you compile with arm-linux-gcc when you want arm binaries, for arm devices |
| 18:10.08 | sandokan | so I should code normally and whenever I want to test on the zaurus I recompile using the arm-linux-gcc compiler and the qte instead of qt-mt |
| 18:10.10 | sandokan | right? |
| 18:10.36 | sandokan | now, I'm on Debian, I have no arm-linux-gcc deb (is there?) where can I get the source for the compiler? |
| 18:10.40 | sandokan | or whatever I need |
| 18:12.41 | sandokan | kergoth: So the idea is that I compile the qte library using arm-linux-gcc and my programs for the Z with that QTE and arm-linux-gcc, right? |
| 18:15.39 | kergoth | yes |
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| 18:23.29 | Pendalar | panda penda.. oye |
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| 18:53.46 | Panda | s/penda/panda |
| 18:54.31 | Pendalar | was sort of an inside joke.. sometimes I'm refered to as penda or pendu |
| 18:55.01 | Pendalar | so was joking someone might think I was Panda.. and misspelled my nick or something |
| 18:55.07 | cfowler | Does anyone know if the Zaurus serial port can handle 4800,7,e,1 ? |
| 18:55.19 | cfowler | I'm going to write an applicaiton that transmits at that rate? |
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| 19:30.08 | treke | rev |
| 19:30.52 | rev|lib | hey |
| 19:33.22 | treke | rev|lib: More screenshots? |
| 19:33.42 | rev|lib | not now, but i can take some a little later if you'd like |
| 19:33.48 | treke | cool |
| 19:33.53 | rev|lib | perhaps of addressbook or somethin |
| 19:33.57 | rev|lib | or calendar |
| 19:34.07 | treke | or both |
| 19:34.10 | rev|lib | yup |
| 19:37.06 | treke | dynapad have a terminal emulator? |
| 19:39.21 | rev|lib | yup |
| 19:39.31 | treke | cool. I needs my email :p |
| 19:39.45 | rev|lib | totally |
| 19:39.52 | rev|lib | runs emacs, pine, and pico fine. :) |
| 19:40.04 | treke | hehe. vim, tin, and mutt for me :p |
| 19:40.19 | W8TVI | screenshots of what? |
| 19:40.40 | rev|lib | W8TVI: dynapad |
| 19:41.01 | rev|lib | treke: want a quick screen of the term emu, or can you iamgine what it looks like? |
| 19:41.12 | treke | I can guess :p |
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| 19:42.35 | treke | rev|lib: For a while I had "webmail" set up, which consisted of a java applet ssh client :p |
| 19:42.59 | rev|lib | heh |
| 19:43.05 | rev|lib | i wrote my own 'webmail' client |
| 19:43.06 | rev|lib | see |
| 19:43.11 | rev|lib | squeak/dynapad has an email client |
| 19:43.22 | rev|lib | but it's pop, not imap |
| 19:43.37 | rev|lib | and i'm used to pine, where i can get at my old email anywhere anytime |
| 19:43.50 | rev|lib | same here |
| 19:44.05 | rev|lib | and since squeak/dynapad just stores its email in a database, i wrote a small web app that just served it ala web mail |
| 19:44.23 | rev|lib | a few hours and bam, i could get to all of my old email being served from my ibook :) |
| 19:44.33 | treke | cool. |
| 19:44.54 | rev|lib | and thanks to remote method calls, i can access the archive from within the email app on dynapad |
| 19:44.58 | rev|lib | rather than via the web |
| 19:45.13 | rev|lib | itj ust makes the database calls on my ibook or linux machine rather than locally |
| 19:45.41 | treke | something where reading a message as marked on my zaurus marks it as read on the server next time I sync |
| 19:45.54 | rev|lib | mmhmm |
| 19:46.12 | treke | of course I've got way too much stuff on my list to do to even consider writing it :p |
| 19:46.23 | rev|lib | yup |
| 19:46.26 | rev|lib | dynapad though |
| 19:46.27 | rev|lib | ;) |
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| 19:48.45 | rev|lib | dynapad's archetecture is neat because adding a feature like that is relatively trivial |
| 19:51.54 | warmi | heeh rev|lib been actively campagning against Qtopia on /. |
| 19:53.33 | W8TVI | lol |
| 19:53.43 | rev|lib | me? nah |
| 19:53.47 | rev|lib | i wouldn't say campaigning |
| 19:54.03 | rev|lib | just recognizing that if we're starting from close-to-scratch, we may as well do it right |
| 19:54.03 | W8TVI | just as long as hes been campagning for opie too |
| 19:54.18 | rev|lib | and if you're not starting from scratch, hell, you may as well just use freakin x11 |
| 19:54.30 | W8TVI | lol |
| 19:57.01 | warmi | I hate X11 |
| 19:57.15 | rev|lib | i can't say i'm a fam |
| 19:57.16 | rev|lib | er fan |
| 19:57.21 | warmi | nothing serious, just a combination of minor things |
| 19:57.34 | warmi | but overall X11 just doesn;t work as well as say Win32 or even Apple stuff |
| 19:57.45 | warmi | meaning from the user point of view |
| 19:58.15 | fliplap | shrug, its not great |
| 19:58.21 | warmi | rev|lib: how's your desktop progressing ? |
| 19:58.21 | fliplap | i don't think X is terrible either |
| 19:58.49 | rev|lib | warmi: slowly, as usual... :/ going to put out a couple screenshots for treke and all the ladies in the crowd |
| 19:59.23 | warmi | fliplap: it is not so much X itself but the idea of having a Window Manager which just is too far removed ( or rather doesn;'t have enough authority ) from the rest of apps |
| 19:59.37 | fliplap | nod |
| 19:59.40 | warmi | rev|lib: hehe |
| 20:00.33 | treke | and qte has the windowmanage too tightly bound with the apps :) |
| 20:00.47 | warmi | rev|lib: is this something you are hoping to turn into commercial product or is it purely work for your own satisfaction etc .. ? |
| 20:01.11 | rev|lib | well, pretty much my own satisfaction |
| 20:01.14 | rev|lib | although |
| 20:01.25 | rev|lib | something based on it i hope to turn into a commercial product perhaps |
| 20:01.39 | rev|lib | that being a framework for data collection and analysis for scientists in the field |
| 20:03.14 | warmi | rev|lib: well, either way it will teach you a lot about programming ( these kinds of projects always do ) |
| 20:03.32 | rev|lib | yup |
| 20:03.40 | rev|lib | :) |
| 20:05.44 | mallum | warmi: how do you mean wm without enough authority - could you give an example ? |
| 20:08.12 | warmi | mallum: well, not so much authority but there is no way for an application to learn about local system - preferences, things like requesting specific type of window frame without going around WM |
| 20:08.36 | warmi | it is like WM and apps live in two separate worlds ... WM gets to position applications on the screen and that's about it |
| 20:08.41 | kergoth | what do configuration files have to do with window management? |
| 20:09.01 | warmi | kergoth: a lot , what kind of color scheme is used by the window manager etc |
| 20:09.07 | kergoth | no |
| 20:09.12 | warmi | so you can actually try to match your app to local system |
| 20:09.17 | kergoth | oh i see |
| 20:09.33 | kergoth | so s/learn about local system/access WM's configuration/ |
| 20:10.15 | mallum | warmi: there are lots of mechanisms in X for that kind of thing |
| 20:10.20 | warmi | well, the basic point is that the need is out there and people come up with all kind of "custom WM hints" and you end up with apps supporting hints for Gnome and KDE but not for IceWM etc |
| 20:11.35 | warmi | sometimes dialogs will get its own caption, sometimes won't - it all depends on WM |
| 20:11.54 | warmi | there is no way to figure out stuff like that |
| 20:13.02 | warmi | frankly, even Qt docs warn that in X11 world, everything is a damn "suggestion" so one cannot rely on having all QWindows flags working as expected |
| 20:13.26 | treke | soundslike your complaint is that the window manager has too much authority |
| 20:14.35 | warmi | Wm is basically throwing another window around whatever top level window is being created by an application |
| 20:14.38 | warmi | that's all it can do |
| 20:14.55 | warmi | and of course, it can override some requests etc |
| 20:22.19 | warmi | oh well, as long as I stay within my little KDE world, things work as expected all the time |
| 20:22.24 | warmi | :-) |
| 20:25.08 | mallum | warmi: thats why freedesktop.org exists to get round the problem of every desktop using different standards |
| 20:26.06 | warmi | do major toolkits like Qt and GTK support this effort ? |
| 20:26.42 | warmi | frankly, for this to work , both window manager authors and toolkit creators should start supporting this |
| 20:27.51 | warmi | mallum: are you into this stuff ? do you do any development for X ( either as an app programmer or X itself ) ? |
| 20:28.29 | kergoth | warmi: he maintains the matchbox window manager |
| 20:28.37 | mallum | warmi: yes both gtk2 and qt extensively support freedesktop stuff |
| 20:29.42 | mallum | warmi: and most 'modern' wm's too |
| 20:31.52 | warmi | well, maybe things have change recently ... the last time I wrote "pure X" app was back in 1998 |
| 20:31.52 | warmi | heh |
| 20:32.53 | kergoth | god i love fontconfig & xft |
| 20:32.56 | kergoth | just so spiffy |
| 20:33.04 | kergoth | my windows fonts look like crap compared to linux now |
| 20:33.05 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:33.35 | mallum | hehe, who would of ever imagined that day would have come |
| 20:33.41 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 20:34.43 | rev|lib | woot |
| 20:35.05 | warmi | kergoth: I do use windows fonts on my linux box ;-) |
| 20:35.10 | warmi | Verdana all the way |
| 20:35.13 | warmi | for web browsing |
| 20:35.26 | kergoth | I like Vera myself. |
| 20:35.36 | kergoth | after using it on my Z in opie |
| 20:35.36 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:35.46 | rev|lib | Tahoma all the way |
| 20:35.52 | rev|lib | i was a Verdana man, but no longer |
| 20:36.31 | warmi | well, I still cannot force some X apps to |
| 20:36.39 | warmi | to "see" my ttf fonts |
| 20:36.46 | warmi | Nedit for one |
| 20:37.17 | warmi | but , yeah, things have changed for better recently |
| 20:37.58 | warmi | ah , I see - Qt 3.x complies with freedesktop |
| 20:38.06 | warmi | at least clibboard handling |
| 20:38.11 | warmi | clipboard even |
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| 20:41.00 | warmi | well, looks like Trolls still have that warning in their docs : |
| 20:41.01 | warmi | Bear in mind that X11 is policy-free (others call it flexible). Thus you cannot make any safe assumption about the decoration frame your window will get. Basic rule: there's always one user who uses a window manager that breaks your assumption, and who will complain to you. |
| 20:42.22 | warmi | there is a whole chapter in there of , what one can only describe as bitching about X11 .. |
| 20:42.27 | warmi | http://doc.trolltech.com/3.2/geometry.html |
| 20:42.44 | warmi | I still remember having the same problems when I was dealing with X11 back in the day |
| 20:45.11 | sandokan | hey |
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| 20:46.46 | icefox | Anyone know how to have your application launch on boot? |
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| 22:02.53 | pole | i let my Z charge for 6 hours and still it doesnt go on |
| 22:03.51 | fliplap | thats rough |
| 22:04.03 | fliplap | are you sure the battery door switch is in the right position |
| 22:04.11 | kergoth | remove the battery for a while |
| 22:04.11 | pole | absolutely |
| 22:04.15 | pole | k |
| 22:04.15 | kergoth | say, half an hour |
| 22:04.30 | pole | k |
| 22:04.36 | kergoth | then reinsert and attempt to get it to turn on far enough to get the charge code going |
| 22:04.43 | pole | i finally get to clean out all that dust collected in there |
| 22:04.58 | pole | k |
| 22:05.28 | pole | are there any higher capacity battery packs for the 5500? |
| 22:05.37 | fliplap | no |
| 22:06.19 | pole | the battery in the 5600 wont fit? |
| 22:06.27 | treke|home | no |
| 22:17.01 | fliplap | too bad digiscent's iSmell never took off |
| 22:17.26 | treke|home | perhaps the name had something to do with it |
| 22:18.01 | fliplap | shrug, i wish i could broadcast the smell of this pizza |
| 22:19.10 | treke|home | I'd broadcast the smell of this burrito |
| 22:19.13 | treke|home | twice |
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| 22:53.17 | pole | wala~..... nothing is happening |
| 22:54.08 | pole | my Z seems to be brick dead... except for the c+p+reset screen |
| 23:00.01 | pole | in diag i can manually charge my battery |
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| 23:47.43 | skies | hi |
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