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| 00:19.49 | Labtec | is the zaurus able to play videos, i tried to play one and it was running very slow with no sound |
| 00:20.07 | treke | you had headphones plugged in? |
| 00:20.13 | Labtec | yes |
| 00:20.20 | treke | And you used which video playeR? |
| 00:20.34 | Labtec | the one that came with it |
| 00:20.40 | Labtec | "Media Player" |
| 00:20.47 | treke | Don't use that one |
| 00:21.37 | Labtec | oh yeh? what else is out there |
| 00:21.51 | treke | mplayer, opieplayer2, and tkcvideo |
| 00:22.38 | Labtec | ok, cool, do u know how i can get them? |
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| 00:23.52 | rambo | anyone around? |
| 00:23.59 | Labtec | yeh |
| 00:24.14 | rambo | you know anything about wifi cards? |
| 00:24.34 | rambo | i was wondering if i could change the mac address on my ambicom cf wifi. |
| 00:24.34 | Labtec | a little, i'm in the process of buying one, so i have asked around alot |
| 00:24.46 | sheenmaster | I've got one. |
| 00:24.48 | sheenmaster | (kicks ass) |
| 00:24.51 | MG_Tak | why would you want to..? |
| 00:24.53 | MG_Tak | sheenmaster: which? |
| 00:25.04 | sheenmaster | Linksys WCF11 |
| 00:25.11 | rambo | so i could use my friends starbucks wifi. |
| 00:25.18 | sheenmaster | My only complaint is that it blocks the stylus, that's fixed in the WCF12. |
| 00:25.27 | sheenmaster | Why starbucks? |
| 00:25.32 | Labtec | i;m tring to get the ambicom one, is it any good? |
| 00:25.35 | sheenmaster | CVS has it |
| 00:25.39 | rambo | i like it. |
| 00:25.45 | sheenmaster | so do the local grocery chains |
| 00:25.52 | rambo | costed me ten bucks so who cares. |
| 00:25.54 | Labtec | is it easy to set up? |
| 00:26.05 | rambo | cause i live down the street from a starbucks. |
| 00:26.23 | rambo | and i study there sometime. |
| 00:26.36 | Labtec | was the ambicom easy to setup? |
| 00:26.48 | rambo | i just plugged it in and it worked. |
| 00:27.13 | Labtec | sweeet, thats what i'm lookin for |
| 00:27.28 | rambo | gets a pretty good signal when warwalking too. |
| 00:28.22 | Labtec | nice, i'm gona use it mostly use it on campus |
| 00:29.36 | Labtec | does anyone have mplayer, opieplayer2 or tkcvideo |
| 00:29.42 | rambo | i connected to cvs's network yesterday. |
| 00:29.47 | rambo | i have the tkc app |
| 00:30.13 | sheenmaster | rambo: I live down the street from one. |
| 00:30.29 | Labtec | can u send it to me? |
| 00:30.32 | sheenmaster | rambo: I've got a parabolic dish, wifi PCI card, extra Linux box, etc. |
| 00:30.33 | Labtec | the tkc? |
| 00:30.39 | sheenmaster | rambo: just a matter of time... |
| 00:30.42 | rambo | uh yeh sure. |
| 00:30.44 | rambo | no. |
| 00:30.48 | Labtec | thanks |
| 00:31.09 | Labtec | ah, u sck |
| 00:31.16 | rambo | only some of the cvs's leave their networks open. |
| 00:31.39 | rambo | download something free if you don't want to spend that whole hefty ten bucks. |
| 00:31.41 | rambo | tool. |
| 00:33.15 | rambo | haha. |
| 00:33.24 | MG_Tak | Free AppZ |
| 00:33.37 | rambo | juarez |
| 00:34.30 | rambo | heh. time to go spend money at barnes and noble. |
| 00:36.27 | pole | um, what is hte module name for the usbd device in oz? |
| 00:37.11 | pole | i cant find anything that looks familiar in this kernel package |
| 00:39.53 | pole | it should be usbdnet, right? |
| 00:40.09 | MG_Tak | pole: usbdnet? |
| 00:40.56 | pole | cant find the damn thing in this kernel |
| 00:40.58 | pole | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/experimental/collie/zImage-2.4.21-cl1.bin |
| 00:41.06 | treke | It probably isnt there |
| 00:41.07 | pole | did that guy compile it with the usbdnet module? |
| 00:41.12 | pole | shit |
| 00:41.19 | pole | i sold my 802.11b card |
| 00:44.10 | Luke-Jr | Wait a sec... |
| 00:44.18 | Luke-Jr | wireless is commonly available in stores? |
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| 01:07.03 | MG_Tak | hi rev|z |
| 01:07.09 | treke | hey. |
| 01:07.36 | rev|z | hey.... |
| 01:07.36 | MG_Tak | hi treke |
| 01:08.08 | MG_Tak | treke: kill my kernel? |
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| 01:41.18 | MG_Tak | hi ChipX86 |
| 01:41.24 | ChipX86 | hi MG_Tak |
| 01:41.37 | MG_Tak | sup? |
| 01:44.17 | ChipX86 | stuff'n things. You? |
| 01:44.53 | MG_Tak | refuses to compile otherwise :-/ |
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| 02:15.33 | MG_Tak | wb |
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| 03:02.26 | destr0 | is there an aim/icq client for OZ? |
| 03:02.36 | W8TVI_ | gaim |
| 03:02.37 | Pendalar | gaim |
| 03:02.43 | Pendalar | doh not quick enough |
| 03:03.44 | W8TVI_ | Pendalar: :P |
| 03:03.54 | W8TVI_ | I've been IRCing for 7 years |
| 03:04.00 | Pendalar | that's all? |
| 03:04.01 | W8TVI_ | it makes you fast |
| 03:04.05 | Pendalar | how old are you? |
| 03:04.08 | W8TVI_ | 23 |
| 03:04.14 | W8TVI_ | 7 or 8 years |
| 03:04.24 | Pendalar | older than I, but I've IRC'd almost 2x as much as you |
| 03:04.25 | destr0 | why isn't there a gaim package |
| 03:04.26 | Pendalar | =-) |
| 03:04.36 | Pendalar | not why, but where |
| 03:04.44 | Pendalar | it exists, I promise |
| 03:05.39 | Pendalar | W8TVI_: besides I run a lil pda chat based irc server group, as well as a PalmSource help channel and linux help channel on efnet |
| 03:05.43 | Pendalar | that's why my speed is off |
| 03:05.50 | W8TVI_ | lol |
| 03:05.51 | Pendalar | also backing up a server in tx |
| 03:06.04 | Pendalar | =-} |
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| 03:09.18 | Pendalar | heh |
| 03:11.35 | destr0 | I installed wellenreiter, but it just hangs when I try to run it. |
| 03:11.50 | treke|z | you need libopieui |
| 03:14.41 | ljp | it knows you have evil intentions, aso it wont run |
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| 13:48.26 | gecko_fi | hi |
| 13:48.30 | gecko_fi | i'm bill gates |
| 13:52.55 | stew_b | hi bill, how's the family? :) |
| 13:53.33 | gecko_fi | hi stew :) they're just fine thx |
| 13:56.00 | gecko_fi | i just got melissa and the kids a zaurus :P |
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| 16:39.45 | destr0 | what the f is up with the package manager |
| 16:39.53 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:40.29 | destr0 | I'm using the package manager to get packages from the openzaurus.org feeds |
| 16:40.53 | destr0 | and I have "stable" listed in the combobox. but it keeps downloading packages from the unstable feed. |
| 16:41.05 | kergoth | forget to run update from the file menu? |
| 16:41.18 | kergoth | it has to ipkg update to obtain the packages files from upstream |
| 16:45.10 | destr0 | so what does the Server combo box do on the package selection screen |
| 16:45.30 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:45.47 | kergoth | no idea. |
| 16:45.50 | kergoth | but all aqpkg does is calls ipkg |
| 16:45.56 | treke | it switches between views of the different servers |
| 16:45.59 | kergoth | ipkg obtains a package from wherever it can get it. |
| 16:46.04 | treke | so you can see what is in each one |
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| 16:46.50 | destr0 | treke: so if I have a stable view, and an unstable view in the combo box.. and I'm looking at the stable view, then select a package: should it download from the stable server, or unstable server? |
| 16:47.00 | treke | Whichever is newer |
| 16:47.09 | kergoth | ipkg makes that decision |
| 16:47.12 | kergoth | not aqpkg |
| 16:47.22 | kergoth | lik ei said, aqpkg just tells ipkg 'we want this'. it does the rest |
| 16:48.13 | destr0 | well now I can't get a couple of the packages downloaded from the unstable feed, off the zaurus. |
| 16:48.26 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:49.48 | destr0 | one last question: is libopieui supposed to be it's own package, or is it provided by another package> |
| 16:51.15 | MG_Tak | is there a way to override things like RAND_MAX ? |
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| 17:05.31 | destr0 | are their any gui tools for formatting sd/cf cards? |
| 17:10.14 | destr0 | I keep getting errors that I cannot create symlinks, I thought it was because my SD card was'nt ext2 format, but I formatted it, and it still is throwing the errors. Any pointers on what could still be the problem? |
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| 17:10.47 | icefox | in .pro files what does unix:SOURCES mean? |
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| 17:12.05 | kergoth | icefox: sources that apply only when building on a unix box |
| 17:12.56 | icefox | oh |
| 17:12.57 | icefox | interesting |
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| 18:17.49 | SolarX | Anyone using Mame on Zaurus? |
| 18:17.55 | SolarX | I'm having trouble getting it to work. |
| 18:19.20 | redtoade-w | SolarX: I was, but it's very slow |
| 18:19.23 | redtoade-w | SolarX: zMame? |
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| 18:21.13 | SolarX | Yeah |
| 18:21.17 | SolarX | I can't get it to find my roms. |
| 18:21.59 | SolarX | I added the path to my cf card to /root/.advance/advancerc, but it still won't find them. |
| 18:24.34 | absentia | which mame ? |
| 18:24.43 | absentia | which zaurus model ? |
| 18:32.50 | redtoade-w | I think I ran zmame with an command line argument for that |
| 18:33.13 | redtoade-w | it's been awhile since I used it (April) |
| 18:33.22 | absentia | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.39 | redtoade-w | but I vaguely remember seeing something in the FAQ about requiring the rompath in the command line |
| 18:34.21 | absentia | I'll have to try to find zmame . |
| 18:41.37 | redtoade-w | zmame is at http://zmame.mameworld.net/ |
| 18:43.18 | absentia | thanks |
| 18:44.37 | absentia | ah, the project looks abandoned. |
| 18:49.41 | redtoade-w | yes. yes it does |
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| 19:52.05 | fliplap | yes, zmame is pretty dead, i do hope they get rotation working on snes9x tho |
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| 20:13.52 | gecko_fi | 8-O |
| 20:17.43 | Luke-Jr | where? where? |
| 20:19.31 | gecko_fi | can it be dangerous? |
| 20:20.48 | Luke-Jr | it can be anything |
| 20:21.09 | Luke-Jr | even a kitchen sink |
| 20:21.10 | Luke-Jr | o.o |
| 20:31.11 | sheenmaster | yeiazel: I know you think that it's just annoying to be a normal user. |
| 20:31.38 | sheenmaster | yeiazel: But so did I, before yesterday when I killed most of my top level directories. |
| 20:31.49 | yeiazel | sheenmaster: |
| 20:31.50 | yeiazel | yeiazel@georgette:~$ grep user_name .irssi/config |
| 20:31.50 | yeiazel | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:32.27 | sheenmaster | yeiazel: any idea where gaim keeps such a config? |
| 20:32.37 | yeiazel | .gaim/something |
| 20:32.39 | sheenmaster | yeiazel: (I'm thinking of using www-data or toor) |
| 20:33.08 | sheenmaster | ~/.gaimrc |
| 20:33.21 | sheenmaster | but it doesn't contain such a value |
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| 21:07.19 | rev | hey |
| 21:07.31 | treke | hey rev |
| 21:07.47 | rev | hey treke |
| 21:08.05 | treke | rev: http://pixil.org |
| 21:08.17 | rev | seen it a *looong* time ago |
| 21:08.21 | rev | it's GPL now though, saw that on /. |
| 21:08.26 | rev | but otherwise it's old news mang |
| 21:08.28 | rev | :) |
| 21:08.34 | rev | and not very good |
| 21:08.36 | rev | i mean, it's ok |
| 21:08.42 | kergoth | been waiting for the gpl release for a long ass time. |
| 21:08.46 | rev | oh? |
| 21:08.46 | kergoth | has potential |
| 21:08.49 | rev | thinking about using it? |
| 21:08.57 | rev | oz distro here we come, eh |
| 21:08.59 | kergoth | eh |
| 21:09.17 | kergoth | the guy who did alot of work on getting it released demo'd it on the Z using OZ images built by buildroot |
| 21:09.20 | kergoth | just awaiting the patches |
| 21:09.21 | treke | rev: Well it doesnt have much in the way of software, but figured it was worth showing you :) |
| 21:09.27 | treke | at least from the website |
| 21:09.29 | rev | i've not much experience with it, but it doesn't seem to do a lot of things any better than Qt/E |
| 21:09.32 | rev | treke: aww, thanks man |
| 21:10.58 | rev | thought it was somewhat funny that yesterday, pixil is GPL'd |
| 21:11.10 | rev | and then today, Royal announces another linux pda- this time, not based on PIXIL |
| 21:11.15 | treke | hehe |
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| 21:11.24 | treke | even better. It's Qtopia :) |
| 21:11.45 | rev | part of me thinks that is good, part of me bad |
| 21:11.55 | rev | it'd be nice to have more apps for my Z |
| 21:12.05 | rev | yet, Qt/E really doesn't cut it |
| 21:12.08 | rev | gpe butt ugly? |
| 21:12.10 | rev | i liked it |
| 21:12.12 | treke | yup. |
| 21:12.17 | rev | but perhaps the screens i've seen were beter than yours |
| 21:12.40 | kergoth | i liked mallum's matchbox using the crystal icons |
| 21:12.42 | treke | that and quite a bit of stuff is pretty broken |
| 21:12.45 | kergoth | looked damn nice |
| 21:12.53 | treke | but no worse than opie was at its age |
| 21:13.49 | treke | kergoth: Probably going to flash mallums gpe image tonight |
| 21:16.32 | rev | treke: for the C760? |
| 21:16.46 | rev | and if so, where could i pick up this fine item? |
| 21:16.47 | treke | yup |
| 21:17.13 | rev | i think i may just want to dump Qtopia and go with X |
| 21:17.21 | treke | ah. he doesnt have gpe built |
| 21:17.24 | treke | just x |
| 21:17.28 | rev | i may end up with PicoGUI as soon as/if/when i can get a mozilla port or something |
| 21:17.29 | rev | ahh ok |
| 21:17.30 | treke | darn |
| 21:17.31 | kergoth | X makes alot more sense on c7x0, given its larger display |
| 21:17.35 | rev | yeah |
| 21:17.40 | kergoth | rev: picogui is rather stagnant atm. |
| 21:17.45 | kergoth | i wouldnt bother as things stand today |
| 21:17.46 | rev | kergoth: yeah, so i've heard :/ |
| 21:17.52 | rev | i agree |
| 21:17.54 | treke | X was never a problem for me at 240x320, it was always a lack of apps. |
| 21:17.56 | kergoth | evas looks damn spiffy |
| 21:18.00 | kergoth | we need a launcher that uses evas |
| 21:18.01 | treke | Still isn't much in the way of an ebook reader |
| 21:18.06 | rev | for me, it's mostly beacuse i mostly run squeak- i just need a) squeak and b) a decent web browser |
| 21:18.17 | rev | treke: dynapad has an ebook reader |
| 21:18.17 | treke | too bad X doesnt have a decent web browser :p |
| 21:18.19 | rev | so |
| 21:18.31 | rev | i thought you said there was a skimmed down moz port? |
| 21:18.33 | treke | rev: what formats can it handle? |
| 21:18.38 | treke | ah yeah, forgot that |
| 21:18.40 | kergoth | there is, ask mallum |
| 21:18.43 | kergoth | i forget the url |
| 21:18.53 | rev | treke: well, right now nothing exciting- txt, html, gzipped and zipped version of those |
| 21:19.06 | mallum | treke: I got X going on the 760 last night |
| 21:19.25 | mallum | treke: I put some images up at hh.org/~mallum/xpks/husky |
| 21:19.47 | kergoth | mallum: whats that small moz called again? |
| 21:19.50 | mallum | treke: mbdesktop is broke in em though |
| 21:19.54 | mallum | kergoth: minimo |
| 21:20.06 | treke | mbdesktop? |
| 21:20.29 | mallum | kergoth: hh.org/~mallum/minimo is a fairly old tarball of binarys. It runs really well on 760 |
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| 21:20.48 | kergoth | so who's gonna add moz to OE? |
| 21:20.50 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:20.53 | mallum | treke: the app launcher think |
| 21:20.54 | treke | mallum: Cool. I never found dillo particularly useful :p |
| 21:20.56 | treke | mallum: ah |
| 21:21.08 | mallum | treke: s/think/thing/ |
| 21:21.13 | treke | maybe I should try converting X to oe |
| 21:21.25 | kergoth | yeah, without a fucking tree of crap inside our repos |
| 21:21.28 | treke | I ran into a bunch of problems compiling xstuff in buildroot |
| 21:21.36 | rev | matchbox looks super nice |
| 21:21.39 | treke | maybe I'll have better luck |
| 21:21.40 | kergoth | i dont want any symlinks in any of our bk trees |
| 21:21.47 | kergoth | screws with windows compatibility |
| 21:21.56 | mallum | treke: as long as your x-compiler has a version.h in sys-includes it should build fine |
| 21:21.58 | rev | mallum: any plans to add picogui/ion wm - like tiling to matchbox? would be nice for something like the c760 |
| 21:22.13 | treke | rev: you could just use ion :p |
| 21:22.23 | rev | treke: how does one flash an image on the C760? you don't do something like on the 5500, right? |
| 21:22.33 | mallum | rev: not really :/ |
| 21:22.37 | kergoth | rev: right. the steps are quite different |
| 21:22.40 | rev | treke: yeah, i could- but it'd be nice to have some of the perks of matchbox |
| 21:22.54 | rev | i suppose i should google before asking about it here |
| 21:23.04 | rev | i just get excited about these things- i'd really like to try some x11 setup |
| 21:23.05 | mallum | rev: my hatred of ion is what spurred me tyo write mb in the first place ;-) |
| 21:23.23 | rev | mallum: hah- what do you hate about ion? and what would be bad about having tiling? |
| 21:24.26 | mallum | rev: It just never seemed to do the right thing for me ( on a pda at least ) |
| 21:24.31 | rev | mmhmm |
| 21:24.41 | rev | i don't think it'd be nice to use ion on a 240x320 PDA |
| 21:24.45 | rev | but on a VGA C7x0... |
| 21:25.00 | treke | rev: actually it worked rather well |
| 21:25.15 | treke | Not the greatest in the world, but pretty well |
| 21:25.27 | rev | mmhmm |
| 21:25.30 | mallum | rev: maybe tiling is something for mb2 ;-) but thats a long way away |
| 21:25.35 | rev | yeah |
| 21:25.38 | rev | k |
| 21:26.26 | rev | mallum: http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xpks/ is 404 |
| 21:26.34 | rev | er xpks |
| 21:26.36 | mallum | rev: I dunno though, 640x480 is still a pretty small display |
| 21:26.36 | rev | pkgs |
| 21:26.38 | rev | yeah |
| 21:26.39 | rev | it's not hugfe |
| 21:26.40 | rev | but still |
| 21:26.42 | mallum | rev: xpkgs |
| 21:27.20 | rev | mmhmm |
| 21:28.24 | mallum | rev: you got it ? |
| 21:28.54 | rev | mallum: yup, but no idea how to install it onto a c760. ;P what is in that image? (the one in xpkgs/husky/) |
| 21:29.05 | treke | The 640x480 isnt much of a problem, the big thing is the 3.5 inch display :) |
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| 21:29.23 | treke | makes it tough to make use of the realestate |
| 21:30.34 | rev | yeah |
| 21:31.34 | mallum | rev: just X, matchbox and rxvt - *no* GPE programs |
| 21:32.07 | rev | ah ok |
| 21:32.14 | rev | very well may be fine by me |
| 21:32.29 | mallum | rev: you can bodge install arm debs or fam ipkgs |
| 21:32.49 | rev | how can i add stuff? do i need to add something to the image, or can i just mount that partition as rw and install whatt i want? |
| 21:32.53 | rev | bodge install? |
| 21:33.01 | treke | rev: mount the partition as rw? |
| 21:33.07 | rev | can i apt-get stuffs, or do i download the packages? |
| 21:33.24 | mallum | rev: oh and use this http://handhelds.org/~mallum/xpkgs/collie/snooze binary to make it sleep properly |
| 21:33.36 | mallum | rev: bodge == hack |
| 21:33.56 | rev | treke: well, for instance, when i wanted to delete the japanese dictionaries on my C760, i remounted the /dev/root part |
| 21:34.00 | rev | mallum: ah, k :) |
| 21:34.14 | treke | rev: Oh yeah, you use one of those crappy distributions |
| 21:34.27 | rev | heh |
| 21:34.36 | rev | so, you're saying it's already r/w :) |
| 21:34.42 | rev | i mean, mallum's setup would be |
| 21:35.24 | mallum | rev: yeah |
| 21:35.48 | rev | ah ok |
| 21:35.50 | rev | fair enouce |
| 21:35.53 | rev | er enough |
| 21:36.53 | rev | i wish i had a... framebuffer multiplexor |
| 21:37.07 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:37.10 | rev | well |
| 21:37.18 | rev | squeak can run on the framebuffer |
| 21:37.21 | kergoth | just use proper vt handling |
| 21:37.24 | treke | kergoth: Virtual Terminals :) |
| 21:37.27 | kergoth | put squeak on vt3 and opie on vt1 |
| 21:37.30 | kergoth | er 2 |
| 21:37.30 | rev | so, why bother with a windowing system? |
| 21:37.32 | rev | ahh |
| 21:37.43 | treke | and X on vt2 |
| 21:37.47 | kergoth | rev: and as of very recently, opie will "play well with others" wrt vts |
| 21:37.50 | rev | can you guys tell i've not used linux as my main os for 3+ years? :P |
| 21:37.50 | treke | and watch your available memory hit -5 |
| 21:37.54 | rev | ah cool |
| 21:37.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:38.08 | treke | rev: We feel your pain |
| 21:38.14 | treke | rev: Now stop using OSuX |
| 21:38.19 | treke | :p |
| 21:38.41 | rev | haha |
| 21:38.43 | kergoth | blech. |
| 21:38.51 | kergoth | openssh 3.7 fucked with their autoconf stuff |
| 21:38.54 | kergoth | made my patches explode |
| 21:39.30 | mallum | can opie now run on a seperate vt ok now ? |
| 21:39.40 | treke | mallum: yeah. Mickey added support |
| 21:40.15 | kergoth | qpe -terminal 2 |
| 21:40.19 | kergoth | quite spiffy |
| 21:41.09 | mallum | ah rockin |
| 21:41.20 | mallum | and will it release stuff ok on a vt switch ? |
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| 23:30.54 | Luke-Jr | rev: hey |
| 23:32.42 | rev | hey luke |
| 23:33.35 | treke | bout time |
| 23:34.37 | rev | it feels GREAT |
| 23:34.38 | rev | let me tell you |
| 23:34.49 | rev | i feel like a devout muslim finally coming home |
| 23:34.56 | rev | after a long time out with the infidels |
| 23:35.05 | Luke-Jr | rev: did u get a chance to try those emulators? |
| 23:35.18 | rev | (the infidels being substandard, geriatric systems like Linux, OS X, Windows) |
| 23:35.22 | rev | I JUST FEEL SO DAMNED CLEAN |
| 23:35.33 | rev | Luke-Jr: ah, not yet/again, didn't have time that night |
| 23:35.41 | Luke-Jr | o |
| 23:36.53 | treke | rev: Less preaching. more coding |
| 23:37.09 | rev | AMEN |
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