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| 00:46.59 | sheenmaster | ibot: you sure about that? |
| 00:47.00 | | sheenmaster: bugger all, i dunno |
| 00:47.58 | sheenmaster | Does anyone know where I can get libncurses version 4.2 for my zaurus? |
| 00:48.11 | sheenmaster | OpenZaurus doesn't include it, or have a package for it in the feeds. |
| 00:48.39 | sheenmaster | I need it to run Maxima (a Computer Algebra System) |
| 00:48.45 | sheenmaster | (in lisp) |
| 00:48.50 | treke | poor guy |
| 00:55.15 | TCMAN | sheenmaster try zaurus software index |
| 00:56.11 | kergoth | or if maxima is open source, rebuild it against libncurses 5 |
| 00:56.17 | kergoth | generally just a recompile |
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| 01:01.29 | treke | or just link libncurses5 to libncurses4 |
| 01:01.42 | treke | which though technically incorrect has *usually* worked |
| 01:03.20 | kergoth | yeh |
| 01:04.27 | treke | i'm sure they bumped the soname for a reason, just hasnt bitten me yet :p |
| 01:12.06 | sheenmaster | it doesn't work |
| 01:12.13 | sheenmaster | undefined symbol |
| 01:12.28 | treke | That's why they bumped the soname then :) |
| 01:12.40 | sheenmaster | the source is extracting now |
| 01:13.03 | treke | debian has ncurses4 |
| 01:13.19 | sheenmaster | k |
| 01:13.27 | sheenmaster | I'll try that after I try recompiling. |
| 01:13.40 | sheenmaster | (because compiling is fun, and I've already wasted several minutes on this damn garball) |
| 01:14.54 | treke | kergoth: what do you think? Compiling any fun? |
| 01:15.23 | TCMAN | kergoth: can you please post some news on openzaurus.org once in a while ? |
| 01:15.34 | TCMAN | kergoth: the last update was july 22nd |
| 01:16.55 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: I guess he's too busy at TI. |
| 01:17.35 | TCMAN | sheenmaster: well, i am just asking nicely |
| 01:17.46 | sheenmaster | For all we know, he's porting Linux to TI's next graphing calculator to the betterment of us all. |
| 01:17.57 | sheenmaster | (probably not, but leave me my dream) |
| 01:18.49 | TCMAN | sheenmaster why would anyone buy graphing calculators when you can get a PDA |
| 01:19.35 | treke | to calculate? |
| 01:20.24 | TCMAN | treke: there are calculator programs and calculator emulators for PDAs |
| 01:20.41 | TCMAN | and pda usually have better screen for graphs and stuff |
| 01:21.46 | treke | I personally couldnt see myself fighting with a touchscreen do work it |
| 01:21.50 | treke | not to mention price |
| 01:21.57 | treke | and battery life |
| 01:24.06 | TCMAN | but you already have pda |
| 01:24.19 | TCMAN | and you charge it daily :) |
| 01:25.28 | treke | dunno. I think the keyboard on this zaurus would be a poor substitute for the calculators keypad |
| 01:25.33 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: I'd shell out a few hundred for a zaurus in a ti-89 case. |
| 01:25.59 | TCMAN | i used calculators on pda and it was enough for my (quite limited though) needs |
| 01:26.18 | treke | no numeric keypad == bad :) |
| 01:26.34 | TCMAN | and it seems lots of people think like me because calculator sales are falling and TI and others put pda like stuff into calculators |
| 01:28.17 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: I don't want a "pda", I want a handheld computer. |
| 01:28.50 | treke | rather meaningless distinction |
| 01:29.05 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: I couldn't care less about managing an address book, but compiling C code during French 2 is enough to justify the expense. |
| 01:29.29 | tanq | compiling c code during french to help you do french |
| 01:29.30 | tanq | =0 |
| 01:29.48 | sheenmaster | tanq: Je C\ede! |
| 01:29.58 | sheenmaster | tanq: (I Surrender!) |
| 01:30.16 | tanq | man i bought this bottle of wine a few weeks ago and it tasted very bleh... |
| 01:30.25 | tanq | i just tasted it again and it tastes ok.. |
| 01:30.39 | tanq | its a lot smoother than it was... |
| 01:33.05 | TCMAN | sheenmaster did you install gcc on z ? |
| 01:33.09 | sheenmaster | tanq: Hasn't anyone told you? Every few uz. of methynol can kill tens of thousands of cells! |
| 01:33.12 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: yeah |
| 01:33.23 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: Just a matter of pushing it around a bit. |
| 01:33.57 | TCMAN | sheenmaster: ahh, i tried once some ipk to install it on sd but it still tried to put too much stuff to root so i gave up |
| 01:34.59 | TCMAN | tanq wine is supposed to get better with age, har har har :) |
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| 01:35.51 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: If he adds enough methynol, anything will taste good. |
| 01:36.02 | sheenmaster | (Side effects include blindness and death. |
| 01:36.03 | sheenmaster | ) |
| 01:36.08 | TCMAN | sheenmaster you mean methyl alcohol ? |
| 01:36.16 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: yeah |
| 01:36.34 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: (outdated automotive textbook) |
| 01:36.35 | TCMAN | sheenmaster thats nasty stuff |
| 01:36.50 | TCMAN | never drink brake liquid kids :) |
| 01:38.16 | sheenmaster | I had Automotive Suspension before Adv. English last semester. Whenever my teacher gave particularly nasty homework, I'd "forget" to wash all the brake dust off. |
| 01:38.54 | TCMAN | bad karma |
| 01:39.24 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: Karma credit. The universe punished me, then I found a way to deserve it. |
| 01:40.08 | TCMAN | doesnt brake dust give a cancer or something ? |
| 01:40.25 | treke | everything gives you cancer |
| 01:40.35 | TCMAN | sheenmaster and its his job to give you homework, its for your own good ? |
| 01:40.55 | sheenmaster | Morton's Law: |
| 01:40.55 | sheenmaster | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.56 | TCMAN | sheenmaster so are you learning to be automotive engineer or something ? |
| 01:41.22 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: I'm in a Tennessee high school. The closest thing to engineering would be the automotive vocational classes. |
| 01:41.53 | TCMAN | sheenmaster: funny but true about rats :) |
| 01:41.58 | sheenmaster | treke: fortune -m cancer # gives a lot of interesting quotes |
| 01:42.11 | TCMAN | sheenmaster: i didnt know that high schools have classes about suspension |
| 01:42.44 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: We have 4 classes. The first is complete B.S. The other three are Brakes, Suspension, and Electronics. |
| 01:43.28 | treke | fortune gives you cancer |
| 01:44.05 | TCMAN | sheenmaster: great, i wish i could know how to repair my cavalier :) |
| 01:44.25 | treke | you bring it to the mechanic and give him money |
| 01:44.32 | sheenmaster | hehe |
| 01:44.34 | TCMAN | treke: does it involve pushing off the cliff ? :) |
| 01:44.55 | sheenmaster | Or bring it to me with an UltraSparc box. |
| 01:45.05 | TCMAN | treke: do you know how much hour of labor of car mechanic costs here ? |
| 01:45.19 | treke | TCMAN: Probably not all that different from around here |
| 01:45.23 | treke | too much |
| 01:45.29 | TCMAN | treke: about $100 |
| 01:45.35 | treke | Sounds about right |
| 01:46.16 | sheenmaster | In my county, people take their cars to the high school. We do the work for free, and the only cost is in parts. |
| 01:46.20 | treke | hehe |
| 01:46.51 | treke | no offense, but based on my knowledge of the people I went to high school with, I'll pay the hourly fee :) |
| 01:47.21 | TCMAN | sheenmaster that would be a long drive to tenesse for me :) |
| 01:47.56 | stew_b | sheenmaster: what part of TN? |
| 01:48.08 | sheenmaster | stew_b: East, Jefferson County |
| 01:48.18 | sheenmaster | (between knoxville and morristown) |
| 01:48.34 | stew_b | sheenmaster: I'm moving to Claiborne Ct, New Tazewell |
| 01:48.59 | sheenmaster | stew_b: I'd recommend moving away, but suit yourself. |
| 01:49.04 | stew_b | :) |
| 01:49.52 | sheenmaster | stew_b: Only in TN would wearing a hat in a school building be a worse offense than chewing tobacco in class. |
| 01:50.32 | stew_b | I don't think I'll need to worry about either one of those offenses. |
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| 01:51.44 | pngwen | if it takes a really long time to flash my rom, should I be worried? |
| 01:51.52 | sheenmaster | stew_b: On the last day of my senior year, I'm gonna carry a civil war Union flag through my school with a flag beneath it saying "We won. Get over it." while singing Yankee Doodle. |
| 01:51.54 | treke | define really long time |
| 01:52.05 | pngwen | it's been at it for about 20 minutes now |
| 01:52.06 | sheenmaster | pngwen: Also on charter? |
| 01:52.13 | pngwen | sheenmaster: yup |
| 01:52.35 | sheenmaster | pngwen: Where in TN? |
| 01:52.45 | pngwen | sheenmaster: Johnson City. You? |
| 01:52.52 | sheenmaster | pngwen: I'm in Jefferson |
| 01:53.06 | pngwen | sheenmaster: hey! small world! |
| 01:53.17 | pngwen | sheenmaster: I'm from Knoxville originally. Moved up here to get a job. |
| 01:54.08 | pngwen | so is it normal for this to take up to 20 minutes... when will I know if it is dead |
| 01:55.04 | sheenmaster | pngwen: How's your battery life? |
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| 01:55.27 | pngwen | sheenmaster: um, it was full, but it's on AC adapter right now |
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| 01:55.53 | pngwen | it's flashing the rom, the 2 lights are on, and they have been on for some time now |
| 01:55.55 | sheenmaster | pngwen: And the email light is still on? |
| 01:56.07 | pngwen | yes |
| 01:56.09 | sheenmaster | Try leaving it for a while longer. |
| 01:56.31 | pngwen | hehe, that's easy. At least this is just an oz rom. It will still have a bootloader if this blows up :-) |
| 01:56.42 | TCMAN | pngwen: do you use microdrive ? |
| 01:56.56 | kergoth | if it flashes indefinately that generally indicates a problem with the images or filesystem or card, unless you're using a microdrive of course |
| 01:56.58 | pngwen | TCMAN: no, it's just a normal 64MB cf card |
| 01:57.09 | TCMAN | pngwen it should be done then |
| 01:57.44 | pngwen | what do you think I should do then? |
| 01:57.48 | pngwen | abort it and try again? |
| 01:58.00 | TCMAN | pngwen better copy files again and flash again, dont forget flushing and checking md5 sums of the files on the card |
| 01:58.05 | sheenmaster | pngwen: Are you sure everything got written to the card? |
| 01:58.21 | pngwen | sheenmaster: I checked the sizes, didn't check the md5 sums though |
| 01:58.40 | TCMAN | pngwen what did you use to write the card ? |
| 01:59.04 | pngwen | an Olympus usb reader/writer device |
| 01:59.13 | pngwen | plugged into my linux machine |
| 01:59.33 | sheenmaster | pngwen: (Sorry if this is insulting.) You waited for it to umount, right? |
| 01:59.39 | TCMAN | pngwen did you remember to unmount it before unplugging it ? |
| 01:59.46 | pngwen | sheenmaster: hehe yes, of course! :P |
| 02:00.18 | W8TVI|z | unmount? whats that? ;) |
| 02:00.57 | sheenmaster | W8TVI|z: It's when a computer that isn't a sack of crap lets go of a drive. |
| 02:01.17 | TCMAN | pngwen next time before unmount sync 3 times :) and then check md5 sums |
| 02:01.53 | sheenmaster | W8TVI|z: I know, but it's funnier to reply as if you weren't being sarcastic. |
| 02:02.24 | W8TVI|z | no its not. :P |
| 02:02.27 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: hehe, remember UNIX7? Syncing then pulling the plug for "shutdown procedure" |
| 02:02.31 | W8TVI|z | lol |
| 02:03.09 | sheenmaster | (Yes it is a strange world in which a high school student has UNIX 7 experience.) |
| 02:03.25 | TCMAN | no, but i remember spectrum, no syncing and just pulling the plug for shutdown |
| 02:03.42 | W8TVI|z | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.46 | TCMAN | and once in a while on startup the voltage converter for memory fried memory too :) |
| 02:04.35 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: I still keep a TRS-80 model 100 laptop handy. |
| 02:04.45 | TCMAN | i also remember mainframe on my university that when it was decomissioned it had processes running on it for 20 years |
| 02:04.51 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: (My most advanced system running Microsoft software.) |
| 02:04.58 | sheenmaster | (the BASIC ROM) |
| 02:05.08 | TCMAN | sheenmaster and you are going to highschool ? |
| 02:05.16 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: yeah. |
| 02:05.33 | TCMAN | sheenmaster good to know kids nowadays respect history :) |
| 02:05.41 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: Which could stand to upgrade to a PDP11 btw... |
| 02:06.10 | sheenmaster | (They have 486's with NT4 proxying for dual T1 lines. Unpatched warez NT4.) |
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| 02:07.55 | TCMAN | sheenmaster turn them in to BSA |
| 02:08.07 | pngwen | sheenmaster: I've got a mac classic sitting beside me... now there is a piece of history |
| 02:08.16 | pngwen | hehe |
| 02:08.33 | sheenmaster | pngwen: I can top that. |
| 02:08.38 | TCMAN | well, you asked for it |
| 02:08.44 | sheenmaster | pngwen: I have a Mac 512ke, still in the boxes. |
| 02:09.00 | sheenmaster | pngwen: with original software and books, some of which is still in the wrapping. |
| 02:09.09 | pngwen | sheenmaster: cool! as for my mac classic, I still use it... |
| 02:09.12 | TCMAN | i have 3 pcs, notebook, zaurus, atari 1200xl, timex 2048, sgi indy r5000 and sun ultra IIe |
| 02:09.19 | TCMAN | and zx81 |
| 02:09.31 | TCMAN | and thats off the top of my head only :) |
| 02:09.38 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: I have 30 sparcstations. |
| 02:09.47 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: and a 4 processor sparcserver |
| 02:09.50 | pngwen | I still have my commodore 64 too. First machine I ever wrote software for |
| 02:09.52 | TCMAN | sheenmaster highschool labs do not count |
| 02:10.14 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: My school? Sparcs? You overestimate the schoolsystem. |
| 02:10.28 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: I keep suggesting OpenMosix for all the peecee labs at my school. |
| 02:10.45 | TCMAN | sheenmaster i dont imagine your mom letting you keep 30 sparcstations at home |
| 02:10.51 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: no upgrades for five years or so. |
| 02:11.36 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: I am using them for a statup company. 15 are at the company building at 15 are holding my TV up. |
| 02:12.16 | TCMAN | sheenmaster what sparcstations ? 1 ? or 1+ :) |
| 02:12.26 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: (Yes, they are useful for something. No, they can't all be replaced by a single modern system.) |
| 02:12.29 | sheenmaster | Sparcstation 5 |
| 02:12.33 | sheenmaster | I have some twenties and a two. |
| 02:12.36 | TCMAN | 110 or 170 ? |
| 02:12.42 | sheenmaster | (and my IPX, which I run for the hell of it.) |
| 02:13.14 | sheenmaster | Varying models, some of which are 170 |
| 02:14.13 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: care to donate it to Sun fan? |
| 02:14.33 | TCMAN | sheenmaster it weights like 50 pounds |
| 02:14.35 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: (My 4 proc 85mhz is certainly slower) |
| 02:14.40 | sheenmaster | (and certainly heavier) |
| 02:14.57 | TCMAN | sheenmaster and i invested lots of money in it (640mb of memory, 9gb hdd) :) |
| 02:15.31 | sheenmaster | I have a stack of external Sun-brand SCSI drives to my ceiling. And 5gb of SCA drives in every one of my sparcstations. |
| 02:15.38 | sheenmaster | You pay shipping, and I'm sure we can come to an agreement. |
| 02:15.40 | TCMAN | i installed gentoo on it, it takes like whole day to compile x, and 12 hours for base system |
| 02:16.00 | TCMAN | and my indy runs debian |
| 02:16.05 | pngwen | alright, synced that card a bit (about 3 times) umounted it mounted it and md5 sums match. Unless it was correpted coming off the net I should have the right files |
| 02:17.10 | TCMAN | pngwen there are md5 sums on the oz site |
| 02:17.46 | pngwen | ah, didn't notice them because the were in an obvious place |
| 02:17.47 | TCMAN | pngwen: you need more excercise with gameboy or game console controllers |
| 02:18.06 | pngwen | hehe well I do have the advance sp, it's quite an excercise :-) |
| 02:18.09 | TCMAN | pngwen: when you learn some decent combos two key combo will be easy |
| 02:18.19 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: I run Debian on my iBook (small HFS+ partition for games), Debian on my server, Slowlaris on my sparcserver, FreeBSD on my wargames machine, and OpenBSD on my sparcs. |
| 02:20.47 | sheenmaster | MG_Tak: 128mb CF, 256mb SD, 80gb nfs |
| 02:22.17 | mule_ | nfs is the key |
| 02:22.28 | TCMAN | big SD is good idea |
| 02:22.36 | mule_ | yeap |
| 02:22.50 | sheenmaster | mule_: yeah. I still dream of a CF->PCMCIA->SCSI setup |
| 02:22.51 | mule_ | wish it had built in wireless |
| 02:23.01 | oGMo | pngwen: got FFTA? |
| 02:23.02 | pngwen | hey, it took like 3 minutes. something must have been borked the first time through |
| 02:23.07 | oGMo | because, it rocks |
| 02:23.12 | pngwen | oGMo: FFTA? |
| 02:23.19 | oGMo | pngwen: final fantasy tactics advance |
| 02:23.26 | TCMAN | fscking fast * * ? |
| 02:24.02 | MG_Tak | sheenmaster: 2G RAM :P |
| 02:24.17 | pngwen | ogMo: ah, no I haven't, but I have been looking at that one |
| 02:24.25 | sheenmaster | MG_Tak: 14gb of swap :) |
| 02:24.45 | oGMo | pngwen: ah |
| 02:24.52 | oGMo | pngwen: check best buy, compusa, and similar stores |
| 02:25.05 | oGMo | usually they don't require preorders and have plenty in stock |
| 02:25.10 | MG_Tak | sheenmaster: I wouldn't know the different, I've never used my swap. |
| 02:25.29 | TCMAN | are there any RTS games for GBA ? |
| 02:25.39 | oGMo | with the shit i've heard about preorder stuff on PA lately, EB places can bite me |
| 02:25.58 | sheenmaster | MG_Tak: Swapping sucks for singular apps, but is a great solution for idle processes. |
| 02:26.01 | kergoth | hey oGMo, how goes? |
| 02:26.24 | MG_Tak | sheenmaster: FreeBSD doesn't seem to think I need to use my swap, and considering it's a desktop and not a server.. |
| 02:26.25 | sheenmaster | MG_Tak: I'd make a 1gb ramdisk if I were you. |
| 02:26.58 | MG_Tak | sheenmaster: I use my computer, I don't geek it out. :) |
| 02:27.13 | oGMo | kergoth: not bad, pretty busy, looking for contracts |
| 02:27.53 | sheenmaster | MG_Tak: If you didn't care about it you wouldn't give it that much and and you wouldn't run a real OS. |
| 02:27.58 | oGMo | kergoth: you |
| 02:27.59 | oGMo | er |
| 02:28.00 | oGMo | kergoth: you? |
| 02:28.23 | sheenmaster | oGMo: He's not paying attention. |
| 02:28.36 | oGMo | ... |
| 02:28.45 | kergoth | i'm not? i couldve sworn i just say hey oGMo, how goes? |
| 02:28.52 | oGMo | ;) |
| 02:28.59 | MG_Tak | sheenmaster: RAM was pretty much a tradeoff, my HD sucks and swapping just wasn't fun, and running FreeBSD.. I use my computer, I don't maintain it. :)\ |
| 02:29.04 | kergoth | not bad, been busy as well. working quite a bit at TI and transitioning all the OZ packages to the new build infrastructure |
| 02:29.07 | sheenmaster | kergoth: sorry, small window |
| 02:29.14 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:29.39 | oGMo | kergoth: cool |
| 02:29.44 | TCMAN | but then i wanted to use 3d and freebsd sucks for this |
| 02:29.53 | MG_Tak | TCMAN: that's definitely true |
| 02:30.09 | TCMAN | so i switched to slackware |
| 02:30.26 | sheenmaster | kergoth: We were discussing a TI-89 revamped with an ARM proc, Linux, CF/SD slots, USB, and a gig of ram. I know you can't tell me if they're really planning it, but we would appreciate it if you mentioned it to one of the higher ups over there. |
| 02:30.28 | TCMAN | and then came gentoo and i have something better than ports and all the 3d i want :) |
| 02:30.40 | pngwen | ok, I got the rom flashed with oz, but now it's just sitting there with SHARP on the screen and a blinking cursor at the bottom right corner. Should it be doing that? |
| 02:31.01 | MG_Tak | TCMAN: portage's the reason I installed gentoo on my second machine |
| 02:31.03 | TCMAN | pngwen there should be pingizauru, not sharp logo |
| 02:31.23 | kergoth | sounds like somebody didnt rename to zImage |
| 02:31.43 | pngwen | hmm... that must have been the "evil" me that didn't RTFM |
| 02:32.00 | kergoth | ~fishslap pngwen |
| 02:32.05 | | ACTION slaps pngwen up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 02:32.31 | sheenmaster | pngwen: My evil twin rights my documentation for me. |
| 02:32.58 | sheenmaster | s/rights/writes |
| 02:33.00 | sheenmaster | (and spells for me) |
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| 02:33.33 | rev | hey kids |
| 02:33.45 | pngwen | hehe |
| 02:33.57 | kergoth | hey rev |
| 02:34.10 | TCMAN | hi dad :) |
| 02:34.17 | rev | hey |
| 02:34.19 | rev | man |
| 02:34.25 | rev | this is the first time i've used emacs so extensively |
| 02:34.27 | pngwen | ok, let's try it again with right file names... I'm getting pretty good at hitting c and d at the same time! |
| 02:34.27 | rev | and i must say |
| 02:34.30 | rev | IT RULES!$! |
| 02:34.43 | TCMAN | another one joins the dark side |
| 02:35.02 | pngwen | ah yes. Emacs... the ONLY editor :-) |
| 02:35.12 | rev | i'm ircing from it |
| 02:35.21 | rev | reading my email, although only via pine/shell |
| 02:35.27 | TCMAN | rev: thats sick |
| 02:35.27 | rev | and writing my lab report |
| 02:35.39 | rev | it's mostly just the screen splitting i'm using it for |
| 02:35.40 | sheenmaster | rev: elm ownz! Pine is for wimps! |
| 02:35.41 | rev | very nice |
| 02:35.44 | MG_Tak | rev: maybe you can run emacs as the OS for your Z. |
| 02:35.56 | rev | i'd use GNU screen, but i don't think i can do a vertical window split |
| 02:36.00 | rev | actually mg |
| 02:36.04 | rev | that's kind of how i use squeak |
| 02:36.09 | rev | for everything |
| 02:36.15 | pngwen | I used to use erc in emacs, but I like BitchX better. Still though, for virturally every other task I do on a computer, emacs is the program for it |
| 02:36.18 | rev | so i don't really need emacs, i already have an emacs like thing |
| 02:36.43 | rev | yeah, this is erc |
| 02:36.43 | MG_Tak | Hrm. SanDisk ImageMate 2. |
| 02:37.23 | pngwen | rev: I love the mmm mode. I've got me an html/smarty/php/js mode made with that. Have you played with mmm any? |
| 02:37.35 | rev | :) |
| 02:37.36 | rev | well |
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| 02:37.44 | rev | i will have to reconnect |
| 02:37.44 | rev | er |
| 02:37.45 | rev | n/m |
| 02:37.52 | treke|laptop | yo rev |
| 02:38.00 | rev | hey treke dawg |
| 02:38.16 | TCMAN | calculator running emacs !!! |
| 02:38.16 | treke|laptop | wazzup in the hood my bruda? |
| 02:38.31 | TCMAN | thats that the world needs |
| 02:38.34 | treke|laptop | TCMAN: maybe you should go drown yourself |
| 02:38.40 | TCMAN | and then we can have a nuclear war |
| 02:38.48 | sheenmaster | TCMAN: no, a calculator running VIM. Linux is a better choice than emacs for an OS. |
| 02:39.31 | rev | WERD LIKE A TURD!@$!! |
| 02:39.56 | TCMAN | gnome mahjongg hates me and i have to go home |
| 02:39.58 | TCMAN | cu guys |
| 02:40.17 | rev | ciao |
| 02:40.24 | pngwen | cya |
| 02:40.35 | MG_Tak | hi treke|laptop |
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| 02:41.46 | pngwen | anyone know of a golf solitaire game for zaurus |
| 02:41.52 | pngwen | ? that is |
| 02:41.53 | warmi | hi |
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| 02:42.35 | rev | doh |
| 02:42.37 | rev | punk |
| 02:43.08 | treke|laptop | someone port patience |
| 02:43.09 | MG_Tak | well, not bad, just not explicitly supported. |
| 02:44.27 | warmi | patience ? |
| 02:44.48 | warmi | Is that just "solitaire " ? |
| 02:45.07 | pngwen | no, it's a type of solitaire called golf |
| 02:45.22 | treke|laptop | warmi: Keithp's solitaire game |
| 02:45.36 | treke|laptop | wassupports a bunch of different games |
| 02:45.46 | warmi | ah .. silly me .. I thought there was just solitaire :-) |
| 02:45.54 | warmi | the solitaire |
| 02:46.11 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 02:46.11 | sheenmaster | If only the zaurus used X by default. |
| 02:46.28 | pngwen | where can I get keithp's solitaire game? |
| 02:46.35 | warmi | hi kergoth - still having fun with your new job ? |
| 02:46.42 | treke|laptop | pngwen: From keithp's website |
| 02:46.59 | kergoth | warmi: yep. keeping busy. |
| 02:47.02 | warmi | Neo, ljp, kergoth, icefox |
| 02:47.08 | sheenmaster | Then you could use Ace of Penguins |
| 02:47.46 | kergoth | ? |
| 02:47.50 | pngwen | treke|laptop: keithp.com? seems to just have palm stuff |
| 02:48.31 | warmi | kergoth : nah ... just keeping track of all people on this channel who got new jobs beacuse they were hanging out on this channel :-) |
| 02:48.39 | warmi | well, maybe not beacuse ... |
| 02:48.39 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:48.39 | treke|laptop | pngwen: yup. The palm game rocks |
| 02:48.57 | pngwen | treke|laptop: yeah, but I wanted a zaurus game. oh well |
| 02:49.04 | kergoth | drw got a new job at least in part due to hanging in #opie |
| 02:49.06 | kergoth | heheh |
| 02:49.08 | treke|laptop | pngwen: Hence the reason I said "port" |
| 02:49.09 | treke|laptop | :) |
| 02:49.31 | kergoth | bleh, headache |
| 02:49.37 | kergoth | my directv is hosed |
| 02:49.41 | kergoth | i wonder if i forgot to pay the bill |
| 02:49.46 | fliplap | is it because you're stealing it? |
| 02:49.47 | kergoth | or if they just fucked up |
| 02:49.49 | fliplap | heh |
| 02:49.56 | warmi | kergoth: that could be one of the reasons |
| 02:50.03 | treke|laptop | kergoth: I can't figure out the third app I packaged :) |
| 02:50.23 | sheenmaster | kergoth: They're probably accusing you of being a terrorist pirate for having an EPROM flasher... |
| 02:50.32 | kergoth | treke|laptop: bk sfiles -x |
| 02:50.34 | kergoth | treke|laptop: :P |
| 02:50.41 | warmi | a terrorist pirate ? that is a nice combination |
| 02:50.42 | warmi | heh |
| 02:51.19 | sheenmaster | warmi: yeah. If you know what a prime number is, you're a terrorist. If you know how to program a memory device, you're a pirate. |
| 02:51.37 | warmi | kergoth: what kind of connection to the net you got these days ? |
| 02:51.43 | pngwen | sheenmaster: when I was getting my math degree I did quite a bit of research on primes... UHOH! |
| 02:51.44 | warmi | I mean at home |
| 02:51.45 | sheenmaster | warmi: Hence, terrorist pirate. |
| 02:51.47 | kergoth | cable |
| 02:52.03 | kergoth | 1.2mbit or whatever, both up & down though. higher upstream than i was expecting given the cost |
| 02:52.11 | warmi | pngwen: well, one can learn about primes just by going to high school :-) |
| 02:52.18 | pngwen | 2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19.... somebody stop me! |
| 02:52.29 | fliplap | terrorist |
| 02:52.33 | warmi | perhaps not research them but learn enough to be considered as a "terrorist" by sheenmaster |
| 02:52.59 | sheenmaster | 10192619 10192621 10192627 10192631 10192667 10192681 10192729 10192733 10192739 10192751 10192757 10192783 |
| 02:53.00 | pngwen | hehe |
| 02:53.10 | pngwen | well I was looking for patterns in the sequence |
| 02:53.42 | fliplap | yeah, a lot of people have been looking for the patterns in primes :-) |
| 02:54.06 | pngwen | I found some series for prime numbers that makes it easier to compute, but never locked in on the pattern |
| 02:54.11 | warmi | yeah ... a lot of people since like 2500 years ago :-) |
| 02:54.31 | pngwen | have you ever looked at the series of differences between primes? |
| 02:54.43 | fliplap | pngwen: yeah, thats happened to a lot of people |
| 02:54.43 | sheenmaster | yeah |
| 02:54.48 | sheenmaster | in calculus yesterday |
| 02:54.56 | pngwen | notice anything about it? |
| 02:55.13 | fliplap | pngwen has comes up with a theory about primes |
| 02:55.19 | fliplap | stop the world |
| 02:55.34 | fliplap | what's your theory? |
| 02:55.35 | pngwen | nope, but it does exhibit patterns, just nothing that is provable |
| 02:55.42 | sheenmaster | pngwen: it's interesting, and looks like a patern. That's because many primes are predictable, quickly factorable. |
| 02:55.47 | sheenmaster | Those that aren't break the pattern. |
| 02:55.50 | fliplap | and where else has it already been tested and dismissed |
| 02:55.59 | sheenmaster | It's all discussed in Applied Cryptography |
| 02:56.02 | warmi | yeah, I have noticed that they tend to have exactly two positive factors , 1 and itself :-) |
| 02:56.10 | pngwen | well, it hasn't been tested per se |
| 02:56.16 | sheenmaster | warmi: THAT'S AMAZING! |
| 02:56.19 | pngwen | anyway, the differences of prime numbers are cyclic |
| 02:56.25 | fliplap | wow, it was dismissed without testing |
| 02:56.43 | pngwen | the differences of the differences can be used to find the periods of the cycles |
| 02:57.42 | pngwen | sort of like you are looking at a function that yields the entire set of prime numbers |
| 02:57.44 | warmi | sheenmaster : yep, surely it is .. amazing enough for many people to spend countless hours trying to figure them out ?;-) |
| 02:57.51 | pngwen | then the first and second direvitives of that function |
| 02:58.53 | pngwen | you only have to do about 100 primes or so to see several periods. I don't know if it works for all primes though, and I can't explain the behavior mathematically, and so I can't prove anything |
| 02:59.03 | pngwen | so I don't have a theory :P just an interesting way to spend an afternoon |
| 02:59.25 | sheenmaster | pngwen: email me what you have, I'll write a counter example in Java |
| 02:59.31 | warmi | hehehe |
| 02:59.31 | sheenmaster | pngwen: if I can't, we'll split the millions |
| 02:59.36 | pngwen | sheenmaster: hehe |
| 02:59.50 | pngwen | sheenmaster: you mean the millions in lawsuits for destroying encryption the whole world over |
| 03:00.09 | sheenmaster | pngwen: Won't hurt all encryption. |
| 03:00.13 | warmi | kergoth : what are you so surprized ? math is just like programming :-) |
| 03:00.26 | kergoth | i didnt say i was surprised |
| 03:00.35 | pngwen | I'm betting that I'm looking at an interesting facet of the early parts of the prime number sequence |
| 03:00.39 | kergoth | i'm avoiding the temptation of wasting further time on irc |
| 03:00.43 | warmi | I mean, I would be surprized if I were to encounter this kind of discussion on , say #baseball or some such :-) |
| 03:00.43 | kergoth | when i should be being productive |
| 03:00.44 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:00.45 | pngwen | I've got no illusions of being able to solve the prime set |
| 03:00.50 | fliplap | all irc is a waste of time |
| 03:01.14 | kergoth | fliplap: well, it has a tendency to waste time.. it isnt a waste of time by its nature |
| 03:01.35 | warmi | fliplap: unless you end up getting a job because you were hanging out with the right people on the right channel :-) |
| 03:01.38 | sheenmaster | kergoth: number theory, nintendo, it's all the smae. |
| 03:01.59 | pngwen | hmmm... |
| 03:02.02 | warmi | sheenmaster : hehehe |
| 03:02.24 | warmi | fliplap : irc is just another form of networking ( as in human networking :-) |
| 03:02.36 | sheenmaster | I've run primes on my dreamcast. |
| 03:02.54 | pngwen | hmm... I prefer to think that I'm talking to AI bots owned by the government, the existence of which are kept very secret... |
| 03:03.07 | pngwen | (I suck at talking to humans) |
| 03:03.10 | warmi | dreamcast : we talking here mips textured, high-polygon count primes :-) |
| 03:03.20 | sheenmaster | pngwen: which government? Surely my government wouldn't make a bot like me! |
| 03:03.43 | pngwen | sheenmaster: the US government. and never doubt what they would do... |
| 03:04.25 | rev | ciao alls |
| 03:06.20 | warmi | pngwen : which Zaurus do you own ? |
| 03:06.29 | pngwen | warmi: sl5500 |
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| 03:07.52 | warmi | I need C 750 |
| 03:08.00 | warmi | I mean C 700 |
| 03:08.06 | sheenmaster | pngwen: I don't. They pay my principal $147,000 a year while we can't afford textbooks. |
| 03:08.31 | warmi | since now they have C 750/760 out, 700 should get substantially cheaper |
| 03:08.44 | sheenmaster | warmi: doesn't that only have 32mb of ram? |
| 03:09.02 | warmi | who cares .. :-) I want 640x480 display :-) |
| 03:09.14 | treke|laptop | the display is nice indoors |
| 03:09.17 | warmi | I have SL 5000d which has only 32 MB as well |
| 03:09.23 | warmi | so I am used to it |
| 03:09.46 | sheenmaster | warmi: I have 64 with a 12mb ramdisk, and I'm about to scrap the ramdisk. |
| 03:10.04 | warmi | well, I was getting ready to get myself C 7xxx but then I got busy with writing progs for PPC and got myself 2 pocket PC devices |
| 03:10.17 | warmi | and now when I am ready to get C 7000 they say that Zaurus is dead :-) |
| 03:10.27 | warmi | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?showtopic=6046 |
| 03:11.19 | warmi | sheenmaster : you got C 700 ? |
| 03:11.29 | sheenmaster | warmi: two 5500's |
| 03:11.35 | sheenmaster | warmi: one of which has a shattered screen |
| 03:12.14 | warmi | recently I had a chance to play around with one of the latest ipaq devices |
| 03:12.38 | warmi | man .. the quality of LCD has improved considerably since I got my 5000d |
| 03:13.03 | warmi | PPC devices I got are not much better than my old 5000d |
| 03:13.28 | warmi | but the latest ipaq have really quality display |
| 03:13.30 | warmi | ipaq = ipaqs |
| 03:13.59 | kergoth | warmi: you definately need to get a c7x0 |
| 03:14.10 | treke|laptop | too bad the scren sucks outdoor |
| 03:14.29 | warmi | kergoth : yeah, well, I was hoping to get one eventually |
| 03:14.35 | treke|laptop | it's usable at max brightnest, but not great |
| 03:14.40 | sheenmaster | treke|laptop: ever tried to use an iBook in sunlight? |
| 03:14.49 | treke|laptop | sheenmaster: No. |
| 03:14.55 | warmi | but perhaps I should wait and get whatever you guys are working on :-) |
| 03:15.00 | treke|laptop | sheenmaster: I have used my ipaq in sunlight |
| 03:15.00 | sheenmaster | treke|laptop: much worse than the zaurus. |
| 03:15.07 | treke|laptop | And it works fairly well |
| 03:15.52 | warmi | ah sun is not a problem for me ... I rarely venture out there anyway :-) |
| 03:16.02 | treke|laptop | hehe |
| 03:16.04 | sheenmaster | warmi: hehe, same here |
| 03:16.21 | kergoth | big blue room scary! |
| 03:16.26 | sheenmaster | warmi: I think it neutralizes caffeine or something. |
| 03:17.31 | warmi | well, I don't know about caffeine ... in my case it just hurts my eyes ... so I tend to avoid it :-) |
| 03:18.20 | sheenmaster | warmi: Eyes, headaches, etc for me. |
| 03:19.00 | warmi | today for example , I ended up spending 2 hours watching Cubs game at WRigley Field in Chicago |
| 03:19.22 | warmi | man , that was simply horrendous experience |
| 03:19.33 | pngwen | ah, there we go. There's the oz opie pngwen thing |
| 03:19.40 | kergoth | pingizauru! |
| 03:19.40 | pngwen | who drew that? |
| 03:19.45 | kergoth | hardwire |
| 03:19.56 | kergoth | hardwire: you shouldve signed the damn thing or something |
| 03:20.34 | pngwen | gj Hardwire. he's definitely a good mascot |
| 03:20.56 | warmi | it reminds of that KDE thingy |
| 03:20.59 | warmi | whatever it was |
| 03:21.26 | kergoth | OE/OZ is switching logos |
| 03:21.28 | kergoth | no more pingi |
| 03:21.35 | kergoth | opie still uses it though. they call it Opiezilla |
| 03:21.46 | treke|laptop | no more pingi? |
| 03:21.47 | warmi | Opiezilla ? |
| 03:21.48 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:21.56 | treke|laptop | please tell me you arent using that thing jason came up with |
| 03:21.56 | kergoth | i think pingizauru sounds better myself |
| 03:22.00 | kergoth | but hey |
| 03:22.05 | pngwen | sounds like a 10 foot tall redheaded freckled kid to me :-) |
| 03:22.08 | kergoth | treke|laptop: probably not. it wasnt his anyway,k it was his friends |
| 03:22.12 | kergoth | treke|laptop: i forget her name |
| 03:22.13 | warmi | hehe |
| 03:22.19 | kergoth | anyway, we need a number of logo submissions |
| 03:22.23 | kergoth | to decide |
| 03:22.42 | treke|laptop | kergoth: thank god. It looked like he took a picture of a bowel movement and gave you color choices |
| 03:23.01 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:23.03 | warmi | btw.. anyone knows where is Jason ? who is he working for these days ? |
| 03:23.21 | kergoth | treke|laptop: it had the right idea though. simple, memorable design. clean lines. |
| 03:23.22 | warmi | <treke|laptop> hehehe |
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| 03:36.28 | pngwen | I guess the qtopia desktop can't connect to oz? |
| 03:37.45 | kergoth | you guess wrong. |
| 03:37.54 | kergoth | how about reading the FAQ that asks exactly that? |
| 03:37.57 | kergoth | the one on openzaurus.org? |
| 03:37.59 | pngwen | mine won't connect to it |
| 03:38.04 | kergoth | then you're doing something wrong. |
| 03:38.11 | kergoth | ftp to your zaurus on port 4242 and login as root/rootme |
| 03:39.11 | pngwen | says service not available |
| 03:41.06 | pngwen | this is just the out of the box oz 3.2 is there something I should turn on? |
| 03:41.28 | kergoth | 22:39 <@kergoth> how about reading the FAQ that asks exactly that? |
| 03:41.38 | kergoth | you would know the answer to your question if you had bothered. |
| 03:42.30 | pngwen | I did, it just said use qtopia-desktop 1.6+ that's it |
| 03:42.39 | pngwen | and I'm doing that and it don't work |
| 03:42.40 | kergoth | wrong. |
| 03:42.42 | kergoth | read it again. |
| 03:42.48 | kergoth | want to me to paste it for you? |
| 03:42.53 | kergoth | and hold your hand too? |
| 03:43.22 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=7 |
| 03:43.26 | kergoth | the 7th faq ever written. |
| 03:43.26 | pngwen | heh, well that is all that it says about the qtopia desktop |
| 03:43.33 | kergoth | "First, run the Security app in Opie. make sure the IP and mask is appropriate for the machine you will be syncing with. Hit OK." |
| 03:43.39 | kergoth | lets try reading this time, shall we? |
| 03:45.00 | pngwen | ok, the question I had found was in a different section |
| 03:45.06 | pngwen | you do not have to be condescending about it |
| 03:45.29 | kergoth | i dont have to, i want to. |
| 03:46.03 | pngwen | I can't even find the section where that is linked from. I guess I have to use the ASI to find it |
| 03:46.16 | kergoth | faq->search->"sync" |
| 03:47.19 | kergoth | and its faq #2 in section 'openzaurus' |
| 03:47.43 | pngwen | hmm... perhaps if the faq were adequate the qtopia question in the installation section would reference the one with the actual answer in it |
| 03:48.11 | kergoth | submit one thats more accurate then. |
| 03:51.05 | pngwen | I don't know, if I'm such an idiot, perhaps I wouldn't have the vast intellect required to tell people to click on the security button |
| 03:51.36 | kergoth | you seem to imply that not telling someone to click on security is due to a lack of intellect |
| 03:51.42 | kergoth | when in actuality it was a conscious choice |
| 03:51.47 | kergoth | users and their assumptions. |
| 03:52.42 | pngwen | no, I'm merely childishly responding to your previous insults. Perhaps it is my turn to spell it out for you. But then again, probably be like teaching a pig to sing. |
| 03:53.54 | treke|laptop | I'd like to see a pig sing |
| 03:53.58 | kergoth | childish indeed. |
| 03:54.07 | pngwen | hehe you can't you know what happens if you try? |
| 03:54.36 | kergoth | pngwen: perhaps in the future you'll avoid wasting my time adn try looking for an answer. |
| 03:55.03 | pngwen | kergoth: I had, it appeared I had found the information that the faq had to offer and so I asked |
| 03:55.23 | pngwen | kergoth: you could have just not replied at all and we would probably have both been better off |
| 03:55.48 | treke|laptop | kergoth: /ignore *@* |
| 03:55.53 | treke|laptop | kergoth: for all our sakes |
| 03:57.05 | kergoth | pngwen: you would have been better off, perhaps. |
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| 16:53.51 | irvke | s/anyway/anywhere |
| 16:54.11 | fdask | yes |
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| 17:22.07 | alobodig-2 | Would anyone happen to know of a microphone that works with the Z? |
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| 18:50.10 | nerdboy_ | yo |
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| 19:03.43 | pedro | hi! |
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| 19:14.19 | pedro | hi |
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| 19:29.29 | kergoth | win 20 |
| 19:29.35 | kergoth | bleh |
| 19:30.09 | mark_ | hi kergoth |
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| 21:05.31 | MG_Tak | afternoon everyone |
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| 22:26.12 | sigmaX | anyone managed to get wellenreiter II working in zaurus ? |
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| 23:42.46 | Three3 | hi. |
| 23:42.58 | MG_Tak | hi Three3 |
| 23:44.11 | Youhou | No wonder: 320x240 is hardcoded into it. |
| 23:45.42 | Youhou | Is anybody working on decent SDL support for the 640x480 zaurus models? |
| 23:46.04 | Youhou | I found some Japanese patches for 1.2.5, but there seems to be some other work going on in SDL itself... |
| 23:46.34 | absentia | there's a lot of lameness like that... |
| 23:46.38 | absentia | hard coding 320x240, etc. |
| 23:47.37 | Youhou | absentia: I've spent about 2 days to get a reasonable console application. I'm exhausted. |
| 23:47.42 | treke|home | you need to add blits for 640x480 |
| 23:47.53 | Youhou | absentia: I'm also appalled at what I saw inside embeddedkonsole :-( |
| 23:47.53 | MG_Tak | hi treke|home |
| 23:48.13 | absentia | heheh |
| 23:48.17 | Youhou | treke|home: the Japanese patch I found seems to be doing this. But it is for 1.2.5 and conflicts with 1.2.6 which seems to have added some rotation code itself. |
| 23:48.43 | Youhou | ... which is pretty much a requirement to run xemacs :-) |
| 23:49.00 | treke|home | Youhou: Rotation is a different story |
| 23:49.15 | treke|home | Youhou: All I think that patch does is figures out what rotation it needs to draw at |
| 23:49.54 | Youhou | treke|home: no, it actually adds blit code. Functions like blitRotate3 etc. |
| 23:50.13 | treke|home | Capable of multiple resolutions? |
| 23:50.36 | Youhou | treke|home: Yes. |
| 23:50.45 | treke|home | Nifty. What is the url of the patch? |
| 23:50.50 | Youhou | treke|home: let me see... |
| 23:50.54 | treke|home | must be a different one than I saw |
| 23:51.46 | Youhou | treke|home: http://www.self-core.org/~kaoru-k/pub/libsdl_1.2.5-slzaurus20030704_arm.diff, taken from http://www.self-core.org/~kaoru-k/wiki/LibSdlOnLinuxZaurus.html |
| 23:52.04 | Youhou | there seems to be a lot of cool development going on in Japan, except little of it actually makes it back to the mainline versions |
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| 23:52.24 | Youhou | I think it's time to get the core SDL libraries ready for the Zaurii... |
| 23:52.24 | Three3 | hi |
| 23:52.57 | Youhou | I started merging this patch with SDL-1.2.6, but I don't really understand the blit/rotate philosophy, so I don't think I'll be able to finish it. |
| 23:52.59 | treke|home | hmm. That's the same patch |
| 23:53.14 | Youhou | treke|home: well, it does look resolution-independent to me. |
| 23:53.57 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 23:54.50 | MG_Tak | that worries me on boot |
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| 23:57.39 | Youhou | but still, all I get are postage-stamp-sized applications. Sigh. |
| 23:57.56 | treke|home | erm. The games are only something like 160x160 :) |
| 23:58.34 | Youhou | treke|home: I was hoping they could be scaled. Do you know how to enable the resolution-halving feature that the Launcher seems to use? |
| 23:58.58 | Youhou | I thought there might be a command-line utility (run-half-res or something) for this. |
| 23:59.14 | treke|home | nope |
| 23:59.23 | treke|home | it's part of an ati library |
| 23:59.37 | Youhou | and there is no way to call it? |