| 00:10.41 | mule | kergoth: gcc2.95.3 |
| 00:10.59 | mule | if thats what you mean |
| 00:11.38 | kergoth | yeah |
| 00:11.39 | kergoth | k |
| 00:17.44 | zlover | ibot tz |
| 00:17.45 | | wish i knew, zlover |
| 00:17.50 | zlover | ibot tz1 |
| 00:17.51 | | zlover: no idea |
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| 00:22.51 | rev|desk | hey yall |
| 00:22.56 | treke | yo rev |
| 00:25.18 | rev|desk | sup treke |
| 00:25.40 | rev|desk | i had started one, for publication on OSnews or newmobilecomputing.com |
| 00:26.03 | VampireZIM | you still love you C760? |
| 00:27.21 | rev|desk | i like it, yes |
| 00:27.23 | rev|desk | love, no |
| 00:27.31 | rev|desk | it still falls short in a few ways, mostly software |
| 00:27.37 | rev|desk | but it's awesome hardware to be sure |
| 00:36.04 | VampireZIM | yea |
| 00:36.14 | VampireZIM | i think i am getting UX50 on Monday |
| 00:37.02 | rev|desk | ooh fun |
| 00:37.04 | W8TVI | VampireZIM, do you have a zaurus now? |
| 00:37.10 | rev|desk | by palm OS 6 i may get a POS machine |
| 00:37.12 | rev|desk | but then again |
| 00:37.21 | rev|desk | by palmOS 6, Dynapad will be beyond badass |
| 00:37.47 | VampireZIM | hehe, yea, ok |
| 00:37.48 | VampireZIM | :) |
| 00:38.09 | VampireZIM | i sold my Zaurus like over a month ago |
| 00:38.33 | W8TVI | k |
| 00:43.32 | bach | VampireZIM: how much? |
| 00:43.43 | VampireZIM | huh? |
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| 00:43.47 | VampireZIM | how much what? |
| 00:43.59 | rev|desk | yes indeed |
| 00:44.03 | rev|desk | coming quite close |
| 00:44.15 | rev|desk | i'm just about done rewriting the app-window class |
| 00:44.17 | treke | sure you are |
| 00:44.27 | rev|desk | nah seriously, i can take a screenshot if you like :) |
| 00:44.36 | treke | sur |
| 00:44.38 | treke | sure |
| 00:44.39 | rev|desk | which defines the way dynapad-specific apps look, the menus, etc |
| 00:45.15 | bach | VampireZIM: the zaurus you sold |
| 00:45.29 | VampireZIM | $835 |
| 00:45.31 | VampireZIM | $435 |
| 00:45.40 | bach | VampireZIM: which one? |
| 00:45.43 | VampireZIM | C700 |
| 00:45.49 | bach | okie |
| 00:46.04 | bach | how much is the sl5500 going for atm? |
| 00:46.05 | treke | rev|desk: of course, soon we may have the lovely X goodness that is gpe |
| 00:50.42 | rev|desk | mmhmm |
| 00:51.06 | rev|desk | i tried installing X11 the otherday, but it didn't work out of the box so i uninstalled the ipks and will get back to it someday |
| 00:51.33 | rev|desk | i'd definately switch to X on my Z if there was only a good web browser for it |
| 00:51.51 | treke | mozilla |
| 00:52.01 | rev|desk | more and more, there are only a couple apps i need to run: squeak/dynapad and a web browser. |
| 00:52.06 | rev|desk | is there an ipk for moz? |
| 00:52.10 | treke | Somewhere |
| 00:52.13 | rev|desk | and how huge and slow is it? |
| 00:52.20 | treke | 10meg or so |
| 00:52.24 | treke | probably not too slow |
| 00:52.32 | treke | it doesnt use the XUL interfacde |
| 00:52.40 | rev|desk | ah cool... for X though? |
| 00:52.45 | rev|desk | 10 MB wouldn't be so bad |
| 00:52.49 | treke | yes. |
| 00:52.53 | treke | mallum did it |
| 00:52.59 | rev|desk | treke, do you know of any way of reclaiming some of that space taken up on the C760's flash? that is, the C760 comes with 128 MB of flash, but 64 MB is totally un available |
| 00:53.20 | treke | rev|desk: Remout the first partion as readwrite |
| 00:53.41 | rev|desk | i know i don't need/want the 20+ MB of japanese dictionaries... i tried deleting it, but it didn't work, evidentally r/o |
| 00:53.43 | rev|desk | ahhh k |
| 00:53.43 | treke | rev|desk: delete the japanese dictionary. Move stuff you want installed to the first flash partition, then remount it read only |
| 00:53.59 | rev|desk | a |
| 00:54.00 | rev|desk | er ah |
| 00:54.37 | rev|desk | do you know of any resources which point out what kind of stuff you can ditch? or is it just the .jp dict that you know of? |
| 00:54.41 | rev|desk | also |
| 00:54.51 | rev|desk | do you know of any way to get rid of the UserDict applet icon? |
| 00:55.00 | rev|desk | i must admit to being ignorant of the workings of Qpe applets |
| 00:55.25 | treke | it's probably in $QPEDIR/plugins |
| 00:55.33 | treke | you can just remove the file and it wont be loaded |
| 00:55.38 | rev|desk | ahh |
| 00:55.53 | rev|desk | i'm a bit scared to toast stuff out of the rom as it were |
| 00:56.00 | rev|desk | one more question |
| 00:56.06 | treke | plugins/applets |
| 00:56.20 | treke | the applets are pretty safe to dump |
| 00:56.30 | rev|desk | if that partition is r/w, can i install stuff to it using the regular installer app in settings? will it list "Internal Flash 1" and "internal flash 2" or something? |
| 00:56.32 | rev|desk | ah ok |
| 00:56.40 | rev|desk | do you know what files for sure i can delete for the dictionaries? |
| 00:56.44 | treke | rev|desk: I dont think so |
| 00:56.58 | treke | rev|desk: I don't, but it has been posted to the conics site |
| 00:57.00 | rev|desk | ah ok |
| 00:57.14 | rev|desk | thatnks for putting up with my n00b questions :) |
| 00:57.16 | mule | erm...you guys develop right? |
| 00:57.20 | rev|desk | yes |
| 00:57.48 | treke | rev|desk: http://conics.net/shp/pda/sigmarion3/ |
| 00:57.58 | mule | erm...I am a real newbie, but how do you make those fancy makefiles so it does all the right stuff on compile? |
| 00:58.11 | treke | mule: what type of makefile |
| 00:58.17 | rev|desk | ah hell yeah- http://conics.net/shp/pda/sigmarion3/ |
| 00:58.18 | rev|desk | treke |
| 00:58.18 | rev|desk | heh |
| 00:58.26 | rev|desk | man |
| 00:58.32 | mule | treke: like for an opie app |
| 00:58.36 | rev|desk | it's a shame that you can't get it to do english |
| 00:58.40 | treke | mule: look at the .pro files |
| 00:58.49 | rev|desk | i guess it's also a shame that my C760 was donated to me |
| 00:58.53 | mule | treke: I'm having real trouble getting to grips with it in my brain |
| 00:58.55 | rev|desk | or else i'd sell it and buy a SIII |
| 00:58.56 | rev|desk | heh |
| 00:58.57 | treke | rev|desk: pretty big though |
| 00:59.04 | treke | http://conics.net/shp/pda/sigmarion3/images/sig3-v's-c700-02.jpg |
| 00:59.23 | rev|desk | it looks bigger in the photo than it is... at least, i compared the size specs to the Jornada 720 and it was actually a little smaller |
| 00:59.35 | mule | treke: and that's it? it says tmake makes the makefile |
| 00:59.40 | rev|desk | i wouldn't mind that... i could still just fit it in my pocket |
| 00:59.48 | treke | big pockets :) |
| 00:59.50 | rev|desk | and it'd be worth having a real keyboard and the bigger screen |
| 00:59.59 | MG_Tak | treke: nice |
| 01:00.21 | mule | treke: I see...that's all I do, it includes all the right sources and gui and stuff..I see...that's nice |
| 01:00.51 | treke | rev|desk: To bad it runs a closed source OS :p |
| 01:01.02 | rev|desk | well, not strictly closed source |
| 01:01.12 | rev|desk | but far from being OSS/FSF approved to be sure |
| 01:01.55 | rev|desk | but that isn't enough to sway me by itself these days, unless i don't loose a lot of functionality by going with the open source system |
| 01:02.01 | rev|desk | which i do with the Z unfortunately |
| 01:03.16 | MG_Tak | Oooh I hope the Eagles get their asses whooped. |
| 01:03.18 | rev|desk | i wonder if you can turn off the WinXP theme on the S3 and go with the regular "classic" wince/win9x look |
| 01:03.38 | rev|desk | most of the other WinCE.NET devices i've seen don't use that WinXPish look |
| 01:04.56 | rev|desk | besides, i imagine linux will run on the S3 eventually as well |
| 01:05.02 | rev|desk | and netbsd |
| 01:05.32 | treke | partially. Linux ports historically havent been successful :) |
| 01:05.43 | treke | at least to a usable state |
| 01:06.05 | rev|desk | mmhmm |
| 01:06.18 | rev|desk | the J720 port was fine, save there wasn'y any freaking power management |
| 01:06.27 | treke | Which is a fairly major problem :) |
| 01:06.36 | rev|desk | yeah, heh |
| 01:06.54 | treke | I really cant think of any independant ports that have come up with a usable device :) |
| 01:07.02 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 01:07.08 | rev|desk | Helio Linux |
| 01:07.10 | rev|desk | that's usable |
| 01:07.15 | rev|desk | although no one has that device anymore (except me) |
| 01:07.41 | treke | hehe |
| 01:08.04 | treke | had never heard of the helio |
| 01:08.07 | treke | that's pretty nifty |
| 01:08.11 | rev|desk | by the looks of google, there is already work being done on the netbsd port for the S3 |
| 01:08.48 | rev|desk | the vtech helio was the first PDA capable of running a real version of linux that was available commercially |
| 01:09.15 | treke | the helio shipped with linux on it? |
| 01:09.16 | rev|desk | you could run uCLinux on a PalmOS-based (by default at least) TRGpro, but that was expensive, and the linux itself was gimped out |
| 01:09.22 | rev|desk | it didn't ship with it, no |
| 01:09.28 | treke | ok. Then it counts :) |
| 01:09.29 | rev|desk | but very easily flashed |
| 01:09.59 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 01:10.07 | rev|desk | this had no company support |
| 01:10.15 | rev|desk | vTech was loose with specs and such to the developer though |
| 01:10.20 | treke | cool |
| 01:10.26 | rev|desk | but that's mostly because the proprietary OS that came with it was open source too |
| 01:10.33 | rev|desk | i imagine they just took what they needed from that code |
| 01:10.54 | rev|desk | also, pico linux was promising: http://picolinux.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:11.04 | treke | an open source palmtop os would be great |
| 01:11.07 | rev|desk | which is a distro of linux for the vtech helio based on the work i talked about above |
| 01:11.30 | rev|desk | and picoGUI is *fast*, especially compared to Qtopia and X |
| 01:11.36 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 01:11.45 | treke | linux is just the best choice as it is :) |
| 01:12.00 | ChipX86 | picogui may not be under further development though |
| 01:12.07 | ChipX86 | but you'll have to talk to scanline |
| 01:12.09 | treke | scanline gave up? |
| 01:12.17 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 01:12.18 | rev|desk | er |
| 01:12.19 | kergoth | last i heard he was doing a rewrite. that change? |
| 01:12.20 | rev|desk | i mean |
| 01:12.21 | rev|desk | "really?" |
| 01:12.24 | ChipX86 | I don't know the details |
| 01:12.26 | ChipX86 | let me get him in here |
| 01:12.33 | rev|desk | i used to sit in #picogui a while back |
| 01:12.36 | treke | I had heard he was going to be starting over majorly, but not giving up |
| 01:12.36 | rev|desk | in my helio days |
| 01:12.42 | ChipX86 | oh, he's moving the Navi server that CIA is on |
| 01:12.55 | rev|desk | i hope he doesn't give up, picogui has a ton of promise, and it's delivered on a fair amount of it |
| 01:13.02 | ChipX86 | he may be continuing it, but I know he's had other projects lately |
| 01:13.15 | rev|desk | well, this OS- VTOS- probably isn't very portable, although it's written almost all in C; it's also single-tasking like PalmOS though, and relatively limited in other ways |
| 01:13.18 | ChipX86 | I think he's just needing the motivation to become active on it again |
| 01:13.28 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 01:14.07 | rev|desk | bummer, i hope he finds that motivation |
| 01:14.20 | rev|desk | i've always hoped to run PicoGUI on my Z one day instead of X or QPE |
| 01:14.33 | rev|desk | again, i just need a web browser for it... squeak runs on PGUI via SDL so i'mm set |
| 01:14.40 | rev|desk | and i really like the way things work in PGUI |
| 01:15.24 | rev|desk | that is, the way windows are managed, apps are network transparent (like X), yet there is a consistent widget set in the server (although it is themeable) |
| 01:15.46 | ChipX86 | I wouldn't take my word for it. I know I've heard things said like he's not sure if he's doing much more on it, but then I've said that about some of my projects in the past too |
| 01:16.32 | rev|desk | yeah |
| 01:18.38 | treke | Computers just hate me |
| 01:18.53 | treke | It must be that simple |
| 01:20.48 | rev|desk | heh |
| 01:20.59 | rev|desk | you and a lot of people :) |
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| 01:22.20 | rev|desk | oi |
| 01:22.20 | rev|desk | that sucks |
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| 01:24.25 | treke | rev|desk: btw, if konq/e works for you, that would quite possibly work in X |
| 01:25.28 | rev|desk | but i'd need an ipk for that |
| 01:25.34 | rev|desk | don't waant to do all of the compilation myself :P |
| 01:26.27 | treke | lazy bum :) |
| 01:29.24 | rev|desk | meh |
| 01:29.56 | rev|desk | http://www.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/saishin-e.html |
| 01:29.57 | rev|desk | wow |
| 01:29.58 | rev|desk | trippy |
| 01:31.58 | treke | rev|desk: treke.net/downloads/mystery.c |
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| 01:33.12 | rev|desk | spoooky |
| 01:34.58 | treke | man I'm hauling ass on this thing the second time around. |
| 01:35.03 | treke | 3/4 of the way through :) |
| 01:37.44 | rev|desk | woo |
| 01:41.10 | treke | Ok. there we go. Was worried I'd have to do it a third time |
| 01:43.56 | rev|desk | doh |
| 01:44.15 | rev|desk | i had to do "HIPPA" training, was like that , on line end of last year |
| 01:44.17 | rev|desk | it was annoying as hell |
| 01:44.27 | treke | yeah. We have to do one or two every month |
| 01:44.29 | rev|desk | and didn't remember i took it, so i got harrassed by HR |
| 01:44.30 | rev|desk | oi |
| 01:44.32 | rev|desk | that sucks |
| 01:45.09 | treke | That would be the one decent thing about being in sales. They'd get harrassed if the did take it : |
| 01:45.13 | treke | :p |
| 01:51.17 | mspencer | Hmm...so what kind of VPN does the C760 use? |
| 01:51.31 | rev|desk | no clue |
| 01:51.34 | rev|desk | never touched a VPN |
| 01:51.34 | mspencer | ipsec? PPTP? |
| 01:51.49 | mspencer | if anyone does know, feel free to come forward :) |
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| 02:14.50 | rev|desk | treke |
| 02:15.02 | rev|desk | i had a looksie at some C7x0 conversion instructions |
| 02:15.20 | rev|desk | which tell the user to delete some file called word-eucJP.rc, apparently containing the JP dictionary |
| 02:15.34 | rev|desk | i have this file, although in a different place- but it's a wee 6 KB |
| 02:15.36 | rev|desk | now |
| 02:16.00 | rev|desk | i have 34 MB worth of dict-looking files in /usr/QtPalmtop.rom/dic |
| 02:16.12 | rev|desk | with all sorts of whacky file names that mean nothing to me |
| 02:16.25 | rev|desk | do you think these are safe to delete, or incredibly vital? ;P |
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| 02:41.43 | rev|desk | ciao all |
| 02:41.46 | rev|desk | time to go home |
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| 02:58.54 | treke|z | rev, so where are these supposed screenshots? |
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| 03:33.14 | rev|z | yo yo |
| 03:33.26 | rev|z | anyone know how to make the zaurus use a different sound for an alarm? |
| 03:33.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:33.38 | rev|z | the alarm chime on the C760 is utter shit |
| 03:33.39 | kergoth | sharp cant |
| 03:33.43 | kergoth | afaik |
| 03:33.51 | kergoth | c760.. hmm, possibly |
| 03:33.51 | rev|z | huh kergie? |
| 03:33.55 | kergoth | not sure if htey use the same interface |
| 03:33.58 | rev|z | ah |
| 03:34.03 | rev|z | well |
| 03:34.11 | rev|z | i'm hoping there's a .wav i can replace |
| 03:34.14 | rev|z | it has a real live speaker |
| 03:34.19 | rev|z | but the soudn sucks ass |
| 03:34.20 | kergoth | yeah |
| 03:34.24 | kergoth | the qeustion is, does the driver suck |
| 03:34.26 | rev|z | couldn't wake me up if i were awake |
| 03:34.28 | rev|z | indeedie |
| 03:34.28 | kergoth | and if so, how badly |
| 03:35.59 | rev|z | well, it looks like there is an alarm1 and alarm2.wav |
| 03:36.09 | rev|z | i may be able to replace it, although i have to do it in the ROM |
| 03:36.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:37.06 | rev|z | alarma300.wav looks to be what we want to change |
| 03:37.26 | kergoth | cool |
| 03:38.59 | rev|z | well, i changed the sylink |
| 03:39.07 | rev|z | and the alarm just went off, same sound |
| 03:40.28 | rev|z | kergoth: do you know how i might change a partition from ro to rw so i can modify my ROM? |
| 03:40.34 | rev|z | i tried changing it in the mtab |
| 03:40.38 | kergoth | mount -o rw,remount / |
| 03:40.58 | rev|z | but it doesn't look like the change persisted, perhaps the file itself couldn't be saved |
| 03:40.59 | rev|z | ahhh k |
| 03:41.02 | rev|z | i'll try that, thanks mang |
| 03:41.51 | kergoth | np |
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| 03:44.20 | rev|z | one more question... do you know if the stuff in /usr/QtPalmtop.rom/dic should be retained on a C7x0 if I don't need or want any jp dict stuff? |
| 03:44.50 | mspencer | all that stuff in dic can be junked if you don't need the denki jishou |
| 03:44.57 | rev|z | the folder is filled with 34 of files, and it appears to be jp dictionaries, but it seems prudent to check |
| 03:44.59 | mspencer | erm jisho (see, I apparently DO need it :) ) |
| 03:45.54 | rev|z | so, if i don't need any japanese functionakity, it an go out the winder? |
| 03:45.59 | mspencer | yup-ers |
| 03:46.52 | mspencer | <Takei-sensei> So you use 'choudai' when asking someone to give you something...but what do you use when you're giving something to someone else? <class> . . . <Takei-sensei> Well what do you say when you hand in a paper? <me> Well, you speak English... |
| 03:47.12 | rev|z | ahh swell |
| 03:47.22 | rev|z | a 34 MB i'd like to reclaim :) |
| 03:48.03 | mspencer | but it even has Japanese to English on it! Just highlight one or two of those weird characters and paste it into the search box, switch to the fourth tab for J to E, and search :) |
| 03:48.12 | mspencer | That's like, useful! |
| 03:48.29 | rev|z | heh |
| 03:49.07 | mspencer | btw, that CRIM handwriting recognition has impressed Takei-sensei. It recognized her name first try, at least :) |
| 03:50.24 | mspencer | "TAH-kay SEN-sayee" |
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| 03:52.30 | mspencer | It's no fun tormenting the Japanese instructor. She's been around Americans far too long. :) |
| 03:56.09 | mspencer | According to Takei-sensei, the four tabs in the dictionary are "Personal English - Japanese Dictionary", "Personal Katakana Dictionary", "Personal Japanese - Japanese Dictionary", and "Personal Japanese - English Dictionary" |
| 03:56.13 | oGMo | tormenting instructors is only fun when they deserve it |
| 03:56.24 | mspencer | naah, this is the good kind of tormenting :) |
| 03:56.35 | mspencer | as in "I'm teasing you because I like you" :) |
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| 09:22.52 | jaku | hi, is it possible to import a csv file in my address book? I don't want to use sync etc.. |
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| 10:40.45 | jaku | someone tried OPIE/Qtopia 1.6.2 Applications for Sharp ROM 3.10? is it stable? |
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| 13:37.42 | pHluid | Anybody gotten the Sun JVM? |
| 13:38.04 | pHluid | I followed the instructions to download it, but the user account/password they gave me doesn't work. :\ |
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| 14:33.54 | warmi | hi |
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| 16:17.26 | mark | heya warmi |
| 16:18.08 | kergoth | hey mark, warmi |
| 16:21.18 | fliplap | hey mark, warmi, kergoth |
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| 16:34.11 | mark | heya kergoth, fliplap |
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| 16:37.04 | tanq | hey |
| 16:37.17 | tanq | what do you guys use to play wmv files on the zaurus? |
| 16:37.20 | tanq | mplayer? |
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| 16:41.00 | fliplap | i transcode everything to divx5 with mencoder before i put it on my Z |
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| 18:01.27 | MG_Tak | hmm |
| 18:01.45 | MG_Tak | Can netfilter be compiled as a module at all? I can't seem to |
| 18:02.03 | kergoth | eh, OZ builds its iptables bits as modules |
| 18:02.05 | kergoth | last time i checked |
| 18:03.12 | kergoth | and that matters how? the point is, we do a build that way |
| 18:03.17 | kergoth | so i'd have to assume it works in the general case |
| 18:04.41 | MG_Tak | kergoth: I guess it'd matter if you use different kernel source. :) I'm not familiar at all with OZ. |
| 18:04.52 | kergoth | we use sharps sources usually |
| 18:05.04 | kergoth | patched to hell yes, but nothing that touches netfilter |
| 18:05.16 | treke | if sharp touched the iptables module something is seriously fucked up |
| 18:05.21 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:05.23 | kergoth | agreed |
| 18:06.04 | kergoth | yep |
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| 18:45.28 | zlvr | hi folks |
| 18:45.41 | zlvr | I would like to know how I can get the "\" key on the C750 ? |
| 18:46.21 | zlvr | I tried "Fn + F" ... (which shows the "\" at the top of the F key) ... but that prints a Y with a bar across it when I key it in |
| 19:04.57 | kergoth | zlvr: what rom? |
| 19:10.29 | zlvr | kergoth : Hi ... |
| 19:10.32 | zlvr | the Sharp ROM |
| 19:11.29 | zlvr | where is the DHCP client on the C750 ? What command can I enter to get an IP address from an Access point ? |
| 19:17.26 | zlvr | can anyone here help plz ? I am at a crucial test point and need some simple assistance (rather dumb actually) |
| 19:17.49 | zlvr | how can I manually request a DHCP address from an access point ? |
| 19:17.50 | pHluid | Man, I think I'm gonna get a subnotebook. |
| 19:18.14 | pHluid | That little Sony 1U101 or whatever it is |
| 19:31.12 | pHluid | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8052036397.html |
| 19:31.13 | pHluid | huh. |
| 19:34.32 | zlvr | phluid ... hi any idea how I can manually request the Z to perform dhcp ? |
| 19:34.52 | pHluid | I just cycle the interface, but I don't use a C7x0 and I don't use the Sharp RROM. |
| 19:35.01 | zlvr | ew |
| 19:35.21 | zlvr | but that shouldn't really depend on the ROM correct ? |
| 19:36.10 | pHluid | Could, yah. Heh. |
| 19:36.29 | pHluid | I just do ifdown wlan0 ; ifup wlan0 (or eth0 on ethernet) |
| 19:40.24 | zlvr | Hmm thx |
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| 21:05.30 | escobarf | hi |
| 21:06.25 | fdask | hi |
| 21:09.37 | escobarf | too much 'peace' now. |
| 21:10.59 | escobarf | the deads's peace |
| 21:19.51 | munky_ | hey |
| 21:19.57 | munky_ | where do i get a gcc compiler? |
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| 21:20.44 | munky_ | anyone here? |
| 21:20.44 | oGMo | well, gcc -o gcc gcc.c |
| 21:20.55 | munky_ | what? |
| 21:21.04 | munky_ | is gcc installed by default? |
| 21:21.14 | kergoth | installed by default where? |
| 21:21.18 | oGMo | munky_: default what where who how? |
| 21:21.20 | kergoth | try giving us some actual information. |
| 21:21.21 | oGMo | yeah. |
| 21:21.24 | oGMo | what kergoth said ;) |
| 21:21.30 | kergoth | hey oGMo |
| 21:21.33 | kergoth | how goes it? |
| 21:21.34 | oGMo | kergoth: sup |
| 21:21.38 | munky_ | what kind of info...i want gcc for C |
| 21:21.48 | oGMo | not bad, just got done releasing some projects yesterday finally :P ;) |
| 21:21.54 | ChipX86|School | which? |
| 21:21.55 | treke | munky_: Theanswer to your question is no. Get it from zsi |
| 21:22.04 | munky_ | i went there |
| 21:22.09 | munky_ | i got a file and it wont install |
| 21:22.09 | kergoth | go there again. |
| 21:22.12 | oGMo | munky_: i think you should go research your subject more and discover what you mean |
| 21:22.17 | kergoth | "wont install" is useless |
| 21:22.20 | kergoth | details, man. |
| 21:22.22 | munky_ | which pkg should i get? |
| 21:22.25 | munky_ | details one sec |
| 21:23.26 | oGMo | man, i didn't realize the C7x0 was slimmer than the SL-5x00 |
| 21:23.34 | munky_ | firstly, i goto the file and click it and it wont install |
| 21:23.34 | oGMo | it always looks bigger in the pics |
| 21:23.48 | treke | oGMo: The 760 might be thinker |
| 21:23.56 | treke | oGMo: But the thing is fricken tiny |
| 21:24.09 | oGMo | treke: yeah, it's amazing, i wish i had hte $$ for one :) |
| 21:24.22 | oGMo | i don't need it in any way, but ... damn! ;) |
| 21:24.37 | munky_ | when i try to install it using "ipkg install" it gives me this error: |
| 21:24.45 | treke | it's just a hair thicker than my cell phone |
| 21:25.34 | munky_ | zcat: stdin: unexpected end of file ipk_install_file: ERROR unpacking control.tar.gz from gcc-2.95.1-1_arm.ipk |
| 21:25.50 | kergoth | damn!i |
| 21:25.59 | kergoth | I'm _one_ undefined reference away |
| 21:26.07 | munky_ | any ideas? |
| 21:26.10 | kergoth | from having an apache 2.0.47 ipk with ssl and webdav support, crosscompiled |
| 21:26.39 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:26.40 | munky_ | .....anyone? |
| 21:26.48 | kergoth | your ipk is corrupt, or its an OZ ipk |
| 21:27.03 | munky_ | i know its an OZ i didnt know i cant use it |
| 21:27.08 | munky_ | so what do you guys use? |
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| 21:27.58 | kergoth | zgcc should work |
| 21:28.05 | kergoth | i use OZ, personally |
| 21:28.28 | munky_ | uhh sorry...whats OZ? is that open zaurs? |
| 21:28.36 | MG_Tak | kergoth: you just doing that for sport or is there actually a need for apache on a Z ? :) |
| 21:29.38 | kergoth | heh, i wont use it |
| 21:29.41 | kergoth | but why not? |
| 21:29.43 | kergoth | munky_: yes |
| 21:30.06 | munky_ | zgcc is the one that gave me that error |
| 21:30.24 | kergoth | what? |
| 21:30.30 | kergoth | i thought zgcc was a tarball |
| 21:30.32 | kergoth | guess they changed it. |
| 21:30.40 | munky_ | so now what? |
| 21:30.59 | kergoth | how would i know? |
| 21:31.01 | kergoth | figure it out. |
| 21:31.02 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:31.06 | kergoth | unless someone else in here knows |
| 21:31.12 | kergoth | just chill, see if anyone wakes up |
| 21:31.15 | munky_ | k |
| 21:31.15 | kergoth | most people are idling |
| 21:31.27 | munky_ | whats the diff btwn OZ and sharp? |
| 21:31.33 | munky_ | i have the one my zaurus came with |
| 21:32.00 | kergoth | read the docs. |
| 21:32.02 | kergoth | openzaurus.org |
| 21:32.05 | kergoth | "why oz?" |
| 21:32.07 | kergoth | and hte faqs |
| 21:32.35 | munky_ | k |
| 21:32.41 | munky_ | btw...are you running Qtopia? |
| 21:32.44 | munky_ | or X? |
| 21:32.52 | kergoth | OZ doesnt use either. per the documentation. |
| 21:32.54 | kergoth | read. |
| 21:32.55 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:33.00 | kergoth | it uses opie, which is a fork of qtopia |
| 21:33.05 | munky_ | k |
| 21:33.14 | munky_ | but do all the apps from qtopia work? |
| 21:33.19 | kergoth | yes |
| 21:33.23 | kergoth | again, as documented |
| 21:33.25 | kergoth | _read_ |
| 21:33.28 | munky_ | k |
| 21:33.29 | munky_ | wait |
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| 21:33.36 | munky_ | i think i want to install OZ |
| 21:33.45 | munky_ | if i make a backup with qtopia |
| 21:33.52 | munky_ | can i restore everything on to OZ? |
| 21:33.58 | kergoth | sharp's roms are available online |
| 21:34.04 | kergoth | no backup of the rom necessary, just your data |
| 21:34.12 | munky_ | i know |
| 21:34.24 | munky_ | but when i restore the data will it be the same...just new rom? |
| 21:34.29 | mule | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.38 | munky_ | so will i loose my data? |
| 21:34.51 | mule | you dont have to |
| 21:34.58 | munky_ | k |
| 21:35.03 | munky_ | please elaborate |
| 21:35.09 | mule | you could back it up |
| 21:35.26 | munky_ | thats what im saying...but is the backup compatiable with OZ? |
| 21:35.26 | mule | just not using the backup/restore app |
| 21:35.42 | munky_ | then how? |
| 21:35.51 | mule | tar |
| 21:35.54 | kergoth | no, sharp's backup tool uses a different format than OZ's |
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| 21:36.00 | mule | cp |
| 21:36.01 | kergoth | you can extract their backup manually though |
| 21:36.02 | kergoth | and it'll work |
| 21:36.10 | munky_ | k |
| 21:36.19 | munky_ | i wanna make sure i can do this properly b4 |
| 21:36.20 | kergoth | its just a tar file or tar.gz |
| 21:36.22 | kergoth | forget which |
| 21:36.25 | munky_ | cuz i cat afford to loose data |
| 21:36.57 | mule | then back it up onto paperbefore you do anything else |
| 21:37.04 | munky_ | so i can get my new rom...with all of my data untouched? |
| 21:38.21 | mule | if you back it up |
| 21:38.54 | jaku | hi, can i import a tsv file (etc..) in the address application in Z? i remember the in the address in Opie is it possible.. |
| 21:38.54 | kergoth | woo, found the problem |
| 21:39.16 | treke | <apache> I surrender |
| 21:39.22 | MG_Tak | kergoth: nice |
| 21:39.34 | kergoth | now to add apache 1.x, just to be thorough. |
| 21:39.36 | munky_ | ok im going to try it |
| 21:39.54 | treke | <kergoth> I wouldnt want to add stuff people actually use |
| 21:40.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:40.02 | munky_ | so how do i get my sharp data back on to the zaurus after i put OZ on? |
| 21:40.12 | kergoth | yeah, we still need sysvinit, oz-base, ifupdown, hotplug, etc |
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| 21:40.32 | treke | munky_: Osmosis |
| 21:40.32 | munky_ | .... |
| 21:40.40 | munky_ | is that an app? |
| 21:40.47 | mule | :) |
| 21:40.47 | MG_Tak | treke: wouldn't it be reverse osmosis? |
| 21:40.49 | munky_ | wait thats from bioligy |
| 21:41.19 | munky_ | please dont play around with me i dont want to screw this up |
| 21:41.26 | treke | MG_Tak: beats me, I'm a programmer not a biologist |
| 21:41.33 | MG_Tak | treke: :) |
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| 21:42.04 | mule | munky_: what data? |
| 21:42.05 | treke | Clearly the latter |
| 21:42.12 | munky_ | the data i backed up |
| 21:42.20 | munky_ | like my address book and calender events |
| 21:43.02 | MG_Tak | treke: I would've thought so this morning, but then I went and met with an advisor who told me I'd graduate if I passed all my classes this semester. |
| 21:43.17 | MG_Tak | So now I'm not so sure which is more important.. |
| 21:43.46 | munky_ | hello? |
| 21:43.47 | munky_ | anyone? |
| 21:44.02 | MG_Tak | munky_: they never taught you patience in grade school did they? |
| 21:44.10 | munky_ | i have patience |
| 21:45.21 | kergoth | no, you dont. |
| 21:45.48 | MG_Tak | kergoth: yes he does |
| 21:45.51 | MG_Tak | it's under the "games" tab |
| 21:45.56 | MG_Tak | I have it too |
| 21:46.11 | MG_Tak | Maybe OZ doesn't package it in their ROM. :) |
| 21:46.17 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 21:50.34 | jaku | no idea how to import a file in the address?? :( |
| 21:50.59 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:51.04 | kergoth | lets try that again in english |
| 21:51.54 | jaku | :) ok sorry.. |
| 21:52.50 | jaku | hoe I can import a file (like tsv) in the Address book application in Z? |
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| 21:53.22 | jaku | *how |
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| 21:58.57 | rev|desk | hey biatches |
| 21:59.20 | kergoth | hey rev |
| 21:59.26 | treke | rev|desk: biznitch |
| 21:59.48 | treke | hmmm. Can i use the 5600 battery in the 760? |
| 21:59.59 | MG_Tak | does it fit? |
| 22:00.03 | rev|desk | treke: i think so |
| 22:00.17 | rev|desk | are they the same part? |
| 22:00.27 | treke | thinking of not bringing my laptop |
| 22:00.51 | rev|desk | ahhh |
| 22:01.52 | treke | hmmm. EA-BL08. I think that's the same |
| 22:02.19 | treke | Shipping weight: 18.0 pounds. |
| 22:02.46 | treke | yup. Same part |
| 22:03.57 | MG_Tak | lol |
| 22:04.03 | MG_Tak | 18 ounces, mebbe> |
| 22:04.05 | MG_Tak | ? |
| 22:04.28 | rev|desk | hah |
| 22:04.30 | rev|desk | 18 lb |
| 22:05.21 | MG_Tak | that battery should have at least a 4 hour life.. |
| 22:05.22 | rev|desk | damnit |
| 22:05.30 | rev|desk | i wish there was wifi in this room |
| 22:05.37 | rev|desk | i want to share a new dynapad screenshot, but NOOOO |
| 22:05.53 | treke | yeah right |
| 22:05.59 | rev|desk | seriously |
| 22:06.02 | treke | sure |
| 22:06.11 | rev|desk | it's SLICK as a guy named RICK |
| 22:09.19 | MG_Tak | why..? |
| 22:09.21 | MG_Tak | oops |
| 22:09.23 | MG_Tak | wrong window |
| 22:18.26 | treke | the return trip id expected to be 15 minutes longer than the departure. Both going between the same airports nonstop on the same plane :) |
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| 22:19.55 | Wintre | Prevailing wind? |
| 22:20.40 | treke | could be |
| 22:20.43 | MG_Tak | treke: that's always the case |
| 22:20.54 | MG_Tak | a flight's always longer one way or the other. |
| 22:20.58 | treke | Wintre: This is california. We never have any wind :) |
| 22:21.17 | MG_Tak | treke: try hangin' out 30,000 feet high, see if you still think so :) |
| 22:21.35 | treke | MG_Tak: I'm just taunting the poor norwegian :) |
| 22:21.49 | treke | 78 every day... |
| 22:22.02 | MG_Tak | treke: he's got that too |
| 22:22.06 | MG_Tak | with a minus in front of it.. |
| 22:22.13 | treke | hehe |
| 22:22.16 | MG_Tak | but who cares for silly details like that? :) |
| 22:22.37 | treke | MG_Tak must be a mathematicion |
| 22:22.45 | treke | "silly details like values of numbers" |
| 22:23.47 | MG_Tak | treke: ah-ha! not their values! simply their orientation on the x axis. |
| 22:24.28 | MG_Tak | values are subjective anyway |
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| 23:56.56 | rev|desk | cmon kids |
| 23:56.57 | rev|desk | TALK |
| 23:57.06 | kergoth | YOU |
| 23:58.16 | rev|desk | !@$!! |
| 23:58.18 | rev|desk | HOW DARE YOU! |
| 23:58.23 | rev|desk | kergoth |
| 23:58.25 | kergoth | hey ChipX86 |
| 23:58.26 | rev|desk | you allcaps'd |
| 23:58.30 | rev|desk | i'll have to remove you now sir |
| 23:58.31 | ChipX86 | hey kergoth |
| 23:58.39 | rev|desk | please sir |
| 23:58.41 | rev|desk | do not kick me |
| 23:58.44 | rev|desk | i good person not evil |
