| 00:28.56 | MG_Tak | ouch |
| 00:28.59 | MG_Tak | crashed my Z |
| 00:31.42 | mule | nice |
| 00:31.50 | mule | I do it about 30 times a day |
| 00:31.53 | MG_Tak | oh fun |
| 00:31.59 | mule | :) |
| 00:32.07 | MG_Tak | it looks like it's permanently crashed |
| 00:33.32 | fdask | permanently? |
| 00:33.59 | MG_Tak | every time it boots it crashes |
| 00:34.08 | MG_Tak | need to figure out how to boot into single user |
| 00:34.37 | mule | yuk |
| 00:34.42 | MG_Tak | attempts to load the wrong module |
| 00:39.49 | VampireZIM | 5000*.25? |
| 00:39.55 | VampireZIM | oops |
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| 00:41.51 | MG_Tak | This really sucks. |
| 00:42.48 | raster | suck su *SLUURP* |
| 00:43.01 | ChipX86 | hey raster |
| 00:43.11 | raster | ChipX86: yo yo yo... POP! |
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| 00:43.52 | raster | one of these days i need to actually make that canvas server... one day.... one day... |
| 00:44.16 | ChipX86 | yeah, when you don't have your hands full with a thousand other things |
| 00:44.20 | raster | ChipX86: you good @ OpenGL? |
| 00:44.23 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 00:44.29 | raster | ChipX86: yeah.. definitely. |
| 00:44.35 | raster | bugger |
| 00:44.45 | raster | GL is giving me the poopie pants |
| 00:44.50 | raster | big poopie pants |
| 00:44.58 | raster | stinky ones |
| 00:45.09 | treke|home | not like anyone is waiting on you |
| 00:45.25 | treke|home | I mean, who in their right mind would want something pretty, useful, and fast |
| 00:45.40 | raster | treke|home: hahahahah! :-P~ |
| 00:45.41 | ChipX86 | raster: btw, you may want to grab the latest setup-gettext for E 0.16.. it provides some gettext 0.12.x fixes |
| 00:45.46 | raster | well considering where i've gone sofare |
| 00:45.52 | raster | i might buuild it at a highe rlevek |
| 00:45.58 | raster | evas apps wopnt be an "instant port" |
| 00:46.08 | raster | i'll have a different namespace |
| 00:46.13 | raster | but it will be idential api otherwise |
| 00:46.23 | raster | i think i'll throw edje in as part of the over-wire protocol |
| 00:46.24 | raster | :) |
| 00:46.42 | MG_Tak | hrm, looks like this thing needs a reformat |
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| 00:50.17 | raster | well at least i have time for the ideas to gel |
| 00:50.18 | raster | :) |
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| 01:30.19 | MG_Tak | Well at least that's fixed. |
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| 02:11.03 | m_-f | anyone know of a kismet ipk that works under sharp 3.1? |
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| 02:17.05 | mule | MG_Tak: well played! |
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| 02:19.11 | W8TVI-z | hey imk |
| 02:19.15 | imk | yo |
| 02:19.47 | W8TVI-z | whats up? |
| 02:19.56 | imk | nothing |
| 02:19.57 | imk | ;) |
| 02:21.30 | W8TVI-z | why doesnt your winamp page show the button images in opera? |
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| 02:29.06 | W8TVI | thats better |
| 02:29.27 | W8TVI-z | whats better? |
| 02:29.37 | W8TVI | I can see! |
| 02:29.47 | W8TVI-z | see what? |
| 02:29.56 | W8TVI | text |
| 02:30.16 | W8TVI-z | are we having fun taking to our selfs? |
| 02:30.33 | W8TVI | whos talking to our selfs.... |
| 02:30.40 | W8TVI | you started it |
| 02:30.48 | W8TVI-z | no i didnt |
| 02:31.01 | W8TVI | yes you did, now shut up. |
| 02:31.10 | W8TVI-z | heh |
| 02:31.10 | W8TVI | heh |
| 02:34.31 | W8TVI | you there imk? |
| 02:34.48 | imk | yeah |
| 02:35.29 | W8TVI | any idea why your winamp page doesn't show the images on opera on my zarurus? |
| 02:35.57 | imk | well right now my winamp page is down because SOMEONE was pausing my shit |
| 02:35.57 | imk | hehe |
| 02:36.04 | W8TVI | heh |
| 02:36.18 | imk | but... as far as images not showing in opera... the best i can figure is because your png lib is broken |
| 02:36.26 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 02:36.30 | imk | goto www.inexistent.com and see if those images load |
| 02:36.35 | imk | i have the same prob with opera |
| 02:36.38 | imk | thats why i use konqueror =/ |
| 02:36.41 | W8TVI | ah |
| 02:36.48 | W8TVI | why not use gifs? |
| 02:37.01 | W8TVI | opera works better |
| 02:37.02 | imk | because pngs support 16mil colour and alpha |
| 02:37.17 | treke|home | except on browser that dont support alpha |
| 02:37.31 | imk | treke|home: of course, but i dont use alpha blending for web stuff |
| 02:39.55 | W8TVI | imk, any idea if theres any webpages with info on setting up some like you got but with linux only? |
| 02:40.10 | W8TVI | seeing that I have a linux box that plays mp3s right nicely |
| 02:40.38 | imk | no idea... xmms has a lot of shit for it but i dunno much about it |
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| 02:44.35 | W8TVI | cool |
| 02:44.37 | W8TVI | http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/bchafy/mp3.html |
| 02:44.43 | W8TVI | linux mp3/cd player |
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| 02:54.00 | W8TVI | ouch |
| 02:54.01 | W8TVI | http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/slimp3-review.html |
| 02:54.12 | W8TVI | "So, I headed to Radio Shack and plunked down $35 for a 50ft length of flat CAT5 cable. " |
| 02:54.18 | W8TVI | $35!!???!!!!??? |
| 02:54.24 | W8TVI | I get mine for $9 |
| 02:54.38 | ChipX86 | is it flat CAT5 cable? |
| 02:55.34 | W8TVI | nope |
| 02:58.02 | W8TVI | hmmm.. |
| 02:58.07 | W8TVI | this may be what I want... |
| 02:58.08 | W8TVI | http://irmp3.sourceforge.net/ |
| 02:58.36 | oGMo | for $35 it better be Super Ultra Titanium Deathcoil 2000 50' CAT-5 (Extended Edition) |
| 02:58.58 | fdask | oGMo, does that stuff get good speeds? |
| 02:59.09 | oGMo | oh, wait, you said radio shack... the cheapass crapstore ;) |
| 02:59.42 | W8TVI | http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/slimp3-review.html |
| 02:59.46 | oGMo | fdask: totally... digital audio sounds _way_ better over it, and it'll bite anyone who gets near it (no more kicking it out of the wall!) |
| 03:00.11 | fdask | awesome!!! |
| 03:00.37 | W8TVI | I got 200' of cat-5 for $22 |
| 03:00.45 | oGMo | W8TVI: nice |
| 03:01.03 | oGMo | i rarely buy the stuff so usually i just get it prepackaged |
| 03:01.08 | oGMo | but i don't pay those kind of prices |
| 03:01.18 | W8TVI | ran overhead to the grandparents trailer |
| 03:01.27 | oGMo | ah |
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| 03:10.03 | pHluid | If it's CAT5 it can't be flat. |
| 03:10.11 | W8TVI | right |
| 03:10.31 | pHluid | And if it's not CAT5, there's some inherit problems with using 50' of the stuff. |
| 03:10.45 | W8TVI | its 4 twisted pairs. |
| 03:10.55 | W8TVI | an they are twisted around eachother |
| 03:11.15 | W8TVI | or sprirled |
| 03:11.36 | pHluid | You can accomplish a pseudo twist using a flattened spiral |
| 03:11.46 | pHluid | But I'm not sure how much that affects things. |
| 03:12.19 | W8TVI | the flat "cat5" cables I have seen didn't use twisted pare |
| 03:12.23 | W8TVI | pair |
| 03:12.35 | W8TVI | and it wasn't for networking anyway |
| 03:12.36 | pHluid | Yah |
| 03:12.47 | W8TVI | it was for a phone setup |
| 03:12.50 | pHluid | I keep a 10' roll of flattened ethernet cable in my Zaurus bag |
| 03:13.25 | pHluid | I'm tempted to open some of it up and see if there's any kind of twist to it at all or if it's just CAT2 with an RJ45 |
| 03:13.31 | W8TVI | heh |
| 03:13.44 | pHluid | It's REALLY thin though |
| 03:13.50 | pHluid | So I doubt here's any twist to it |
| 03:14.19 | W8TVI | I have 2 6' , an 8' and a 12' cat5 cables in my laptop backpack |
| 03:14.31 | pHluid | Hang on |
| 03:14.36 | pHluid | I'll snap a pic of the stuff |
| 03:14.56 | pHluid | It's really pretty sweet for just a compact little ethernet cable, even smaller than having a retractable thingie for it. |
| 03:18.15 | W8TVI | for the last metting I had my toshiba server, laptop, 5 port 10/100 linksys switch, 802.11b broadband router, 2 zaurii, sevral CD-Rs, gameboy pocket+ games, and two power supplys |
| 03:18.51 | W8TVI | the backpack was about 40lbs and it had about $2000 worth of stuff in it |
| 03:18.54 | W8TVI | lol |
| 03:19.08 | pHluid | I'm too lazy to resize |
| 03:19.10 | pHluid | So deal. |
| 03:20.01 | pHluid | http://home.nc.rr.com/phluid/flat_not_cat5.jpg |
| 03:22.26 | pHluid | Hey, since you're into Zaurii and gaming, have you played with emulation on the Z much? |
| 03:22.58 | W8TVI | nope |
| 03:23.05 | pHluid | meh. |
| 03:23.08 | pHluid | Having some probs |
| 03:23.12 | pHluid | Was hoping you could help. |
| 03:23.15 | W8TVI | the palm emus suck |
| 03:23.21 | pHluid | I seem to be the only person who's even tried it |
| 03:23.42 | pHluid | At least that I can find to talk to, I see forum posts about it and post replies, but never get anything back. |
| 03:23.53 | pHluid | So far I've only managed to get snes9x working |
| 03:24.08 | pHluid | and it runs, playable, but a tad slowly, experimenting with options to see if I can speed it up |
| 03:24.46 | pHluid | DGen is what I'd REALLY like to get working, but there's a problem. |
| 03:24.48 | pHluid | . |
| 03:26.18 | treke|home | I call pebcak! |
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| 03:30.03 | VampireZIM | yea, pebcak is usually the problem |
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| 05:10.01 | W8TVI | hmm |
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| 05:25.05 | xamox | Hello |
| 05:25.34 | xamox | Anyone here install opie-remote on their zaurus? |
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| 09:19.03 | jaku | hi, i have win2000 I can ping my Z.. but the Zaurus File transfer doesn't work |
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| 09:22.05 | jaku2 | sorry... |
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| 12:19.34 | jaku | is it possible to go in a terminal or jast exit from QT? (i don' t have the terminal application) |
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| 12:21.23 | jaku | *just |
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| 14:57.17 | hugo | Because people like me work at them. :) |
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| 16:04.55 | mewyn | hey warmi |
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| 16:58.23 | csorrell | anyone have a good utility for sync'ing my evolution client and my zaurus? |
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| 17:26.00 | escobarf | hi! |
| 17:28.31 | escobarf | what's references about SMC2642W CF card? who have one? |
| 17:31.54 | m_-f | i have one |
| 17:31.56 | m_-f | works great |
| 17:32.27 | escobarf | and what's rom? what's Z? out of the box? |
| 17:32.38 | MG_Tak | what's the SMC? the socket one? |
| 17:32.38 | m_-f | 5500 |
| 17:32.42 | m_-f | sharp rom 3.1 |
| 17:33.13 | escobarf | MG_Tak: Noooooo. SMC. |
| 17:33.42 | MG_Tak | escobarf: couldn't hurt to ask, I have a socket card. :) |
| 17:33.53 | m_-f | mounts as a d-link 660w |
| 17:34.12 | escobarf | m_-f: and about power comsum? |
| 17:34.31 | m_-f | pretty decent i get maybe 1.5 hrs without battery pack |
| 17:34.51 | escobarf | uhm, that's sound great! |
| 17:35.37 | escobarf | i bought one at eBay. only $41.50 with PCMCIA adapter. |
| 17:36.11 | m_-f | i got one on ebay for 38.00 no adapter |
| 17:38.48 | escobarf | two great prices! |
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| 17:40.30 | escobarf | m_-f: with tKc rom maybe SMC2642W don't need to mount as d-link 660W |
| 17:41.23 | escobarf | i read at w-lan.conf file the SMC information for Z. |
| 17:43.07 | escobarf | a SMC 2642W CF review: http://www.pdabuyersguide.com/tips/SMC_wifi.htm |
| 17:44.33 | m_-f | ive been meaning to try tkc rom |
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| 17:45.36 | escobarf | i think it's the best for people with fear. when i lost pain i can probe OZ :-) |
| 17:46.51 | irvke | http://www.trolltech.com/download/qtopia/index.html where is the tarball for the qtopia desktop? |
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| 17:48.16 | pHluid | Anybody know where to find opie-rdesktop? |
| 17:48.26 | pHluid | Mickey mentions it in a forum post, but... :\ |
| 17:57.53 | escobarf | kergoth: what's the right way to watch 'Fargo' at my Z? |
| 18:06.37 | irvke | what forum? |
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| 18:16.28 | tanq | anyone here have gps hardware for their zaurus? |
| 18:16.41 | tanq | i 'm thinkig about getting a receiver and using gpsdrive |
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| 19:00.25 | darienm | La la la |
| 19:00.30 | darienm | Any sendmail gurus here ? |
| 19:02.30 | VampireZIM | sure, i send mail all the time |
| 19:02.31 | VampireZIM | :) |
| 19:03.01 | koyote | sendmail on zaurus, oh yeah |
| 19:03.44 | darienm | Actually -- sendmail on RedHat 9. |
| 19:03.53 | darienm | But its a specific issue that is cross-platform. |
| 19:03.59 | darienm | My sendmail is allowing FROM name@[my.ip.addr.ess] to act as an open relay. |
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| 19:04.05 | darienm | How can I patch that? All other relays are closed tight. |
| 19:05.13 | koyote | install postfix :) |
| 19:05.35 | darienm | I'm considering that.. or qmail |
| 19:05.41 | darienm | But for the time being, would like to patch this one hole. |
| 19:07.44 | warmi | I run qmail |
| 19:07.56 | darienm | Did you run sendmail prior? |
| 19:08.01 | warmi | and I do this by running two qmail deamons ... |
| 19:08.23 | warmi | one on external network with no open relay whatsoever and one on internal network for sending out email |
| 19:08.36 | warmi | this will only work if you are always sending out email from the same network |
| 19:08.44 | warmi | so perhaps it is not applicable to you |
| 19:08.52 | warmi | btw ... qmail by defaul won't relay anything |
| 19:09.10 | darienm | sendmail either. |
| 19:09.19 | warmi | anyway ... sendmail is a bitch to set up .... my buddy is still struggling with it |
| 19:09.25 | warmi | and he has been running it for years :-) |
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| 19:09.27 | darienm | I've been using it for 7 years. |
| 19:09.34 | warmi | yeah |
| 19:09.36 | warmi | hehe |
| 19:14.33 | mewyn | ugh |
| 19:14.47 | mewyn | finally. a small chance to relax |
| 19:17.04 | warmi | mewyn: last week I watched Two Towers for the first time |
| 19:17.11 | mewyn | cool |
| 19:17.12 | warmi | you were right .. much , much better than the first part |
| 19:17.16 | mewyn | you like it? |
| 19:17.31 | mewyn | there were a few discrepencies with the book that i didn't like |
| 19:17.38 | KhensU | a few? |
| 19:17.38 | warmi | yeah, if they'll keep it up I will go and see the third part in a theater |
| 19:18.31 | treke | didnt they leave the whole part about frodo nearly dying out the second movie? |
| 19:18.41 | mewyn | i noticed quite a few, but the most disturbing were foromir[sic] and the elves at helm's deep |
| 19:18.57 | pHluid | Man, that last sentence is a weird goddamn thing to switch the window back to. |
| 19:19.32 | koyote | faramir |
| 19:19.36 | warmi | I read the book but I don't remember much |
| 19:19.51 | koyote | there were tons of things different |
| 19:19.55 | warmi | the siege was very spectacular though |
| 19:19.57 | koyote | but overall most of the changes had to be there |
| 19:20.15 | koyote | like with faramir- there was no way to stress his integrity in the movies |
| 19:22.25 | koyote | ah. meeting time |
| 19:22.33 | darksatanic | I was really disappointed with the second film. |
| 19:22.48 | darksatanic | Definitely hacked around too much. |
| 19:22.54 | warmi | darksatanic: how about the first part ? |
| 19:23.08 | darksatanic | Better than the first -- closer to the book. :) |
| 19:23.49 | mewyn | i should really make some lunch |
| 19:24.04 | darksatanic | I should really make some dinner. |
| 19:24.06 | darksatanic | :) |
| 19:24.27 | warmi | darienm: suppper perhaps |
| 19:24.29 | warmi | heh |
| 19:24.55 | warmi | er darksatanic: suppper perhaps |
| 19:25.18 | darksatanic | Err... yes. Evening meal. Whatever you want to call it. |
| 19:26.48 | warmi | darksatanic: you don't have a wife ? |
| 19:27.19 | mark | hi warmi |
| 19:27.59 | warmi | mark: hi .... hehe , I completely forgot about stuff I was going to send you and went on vacation .. after I came back I figured it was already too late :-( |
| 19:28.00 | warmi | sorry |
| 19:28.18 | mark | warmi: no probs |
| 19:28.25 | mark | warmi: was just saying hi :) |
| 19:28.27 | mark | hows life? |
| 19:28.40 | mewyn | warmi: where'd you go on vacation? |
| 19:28.56 | darksatanic | warmi: No. Besides, what makes you think I'm going to let anyone else near *my* kitchen? ;) |
| 19:30.36 | warmi | mewyn: South Carolina |
| 19:30.45 | warmi | Summerville |
| 19:30.53 | warmi | I have a buddy who lives there |
| 19:30.53 | treke | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~2222~~22221~~~~~~~22u/ |
| 19:31.37 | warmi | darksatanic: well, I would love to be able to get my wife anywhere near my kitchen |
| 19:32.02 | warmi | mark: not bad .. tell me again, do you own a PPC device these days or still only the zaurus ? |
| 19:32.10 | mewyn | ah |
| 19:32.41 | mewyn | when i saw south carolina, i was about to say why the heck would you want to go there :) |
| 19:33.35 | mark | warmi: just the Z, which is more of a paperweight than anythigne sel atm |
| 19:34.02 | warmi | hehe |
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| 19:34.15 | warmi | mewyn: it is a nice place |
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| 19:35.06 | mewyn | warmi: yah, i guess you are right. i think SC is supposed to be a golfer's dream |
| 19:35.34 | mewyn | t wait for his vacation |
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| 19:36.26 | escobarf | i need some help about qsword. it's possible install other books or only kjv bible? |
| 19:37.35 | warmi | mewyn:uh ..... I don't play golf |
| 19:37.45 | mewyn | never used it. saw bible and looked the other way |
| 19:37.46 | warmi | but they do have nice beaches |
| 19:37.48 | W8TVI | you can install others |
| 19:37.51 | mewyn | warmi: nor do i |
| 19:37.57 | mewyn | but that's what i've heard |
| 19:38.05 | W8TVI | escobarf: I have... I installed them on my SD card |
| 19:38.23 | W8TVI | I've got like 3 or 4 |
| 19:38.32 | escobarf | ok. install kjv and other bible and only run kjv. i install too at SD. |
| 19:38.57 | W8TVI | do a tap-hold on the screen |
| 19:39.08 | W8TVI | look under that |
| 19:39.47 | mewyn | gah. i wish my vacation was now |
| 19:40.38 | escobarf | i read the help at qsword web home (no good info). i download the book and install at SD proper dir but the kjv bible index it's there... |
| 19:41.38 | escobarf | i delete kjv but the index it's there and jewish bible can't run. |
| 19:43.19 | warmi | mewyn: you are not much into bible stuff hehe ? |
| 19:43.28 | mewyn | nope |
| 19:43.57 | mewyn | personally i'm anti-organized religon. |
| 19:44.15 | warmi | I actually enjoyed reading bible when I was younger .. it made for pretty good reading |
| 19:44.20 | warmi | parts of it at last |
| 19:44.40 | escobarf | mewyn: personally i like freedom |
| 19:45.05 | W8TVI | freedom isn't free |
| 19:45.37 | escobarf | freedom to choose your way |
| 19:45.43 | mewyn | escobarf: oh, yah |
| 19:46.06 | mewyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.40 | treke | some of the first few books get pretty dry |
| 19:46.45 | escobarf | freedom everybody in everywhere. i believe. i don't like proselitism. |
| 19:47.03 | warmi | escobarf: sword appears to be a project of someone associated with a particular branch of Christianity ( I don't recall exactly ) so it only follows they would prefer people to be able to read their version of bible |
| 19:47.12 | warmi | that's only a guess |
| 19:47.13 | warmi | :-) |
| 19:47.22 | escobarf | treke: what's about? |
| 19:47.42 | W8TVI | warmi: I have 3 or 4 versions on mine |
| 19:47.48 | W8TVI | works just fine |
| 19:47.55 | escobarf | i can read his bible but i prefer other version. do you know? |
| 19:48.02 | treke | warmi: the issue as far as i know is just copyright |
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| 19:48.22 | treke | warmi: they don't have the right to redistribute most translations |
| 19:48.31 | W8TVI | if you folow instrutions, it works |
| 19:48.58 | mewyn | what i find funny about the King James Version of the bible is, the branch of christianity that uses it says it's the true version, yet everyone talks in "thee"s and "thou"s, when no one in that area and time talked like that |
| 19:49.09 | warmi | well, a year ago I was asked to packge and test "Sword" stuff by its author ( in fact it was to be for the Trolls contest) |
| 19:49.26 | W8TVI | try the "God's Word" version |
| 19:49.27 | warmi | my impression back then was that the thing was sort of "hard-coded" for this particular bible |
| 19:49.34 | warmi | but perhaps it had changed since then |
| 19:49.47 | escobarf | treke: copyright and more. W8TVI:well, but the kjv index it's there forever! |
| 19:49.52 | W8TVI | warmi: it has. |
| 19:50.13 | W8TVI | escobarf, well start over from fresh |
| 19:51.06 | escobarf | i delete two times and reinstall kjv because the others can't properly run. today i don't know but kjv it's at my Z. simply: kjv or nothing. |
| 19:51.34 | W8TVI | escobarf, then you are doing it worng |
| 19:51.37 | W8TVI | wrong |
| 19:52.16 | W8TVI | remove the bibles from the SD card |
| 19:52.21 | W8TVI | and start over |
| 19:52.49 | escobarf | and for our friends: the better literature it's there at bible. no one most wonderful words like First Ch. of Genesis (Bereshit). |
| 19:53.29 | escobarf | W8TVI: maybe i probe tomorrow with time. thanks. |
| 19:54.34 | W8TVI | I go to a full gospel indipendent chruch |
| 19:54.46 | W8TVI | seats 1500+ |
| 19:55.14 | escobarf | and for our friends: but i believe in science and evolution. no contradiction about it. and bye for the moment. it's time to shower. shalom y'all. |
| 19:56.56 | darksatanic | Hmm. Time to cook up a half-pound or so of pasta and eat it. |
| 20:00.49 | warmi | oh man .. it is getting heavy |
| 20:01.02 | warmi | and I am not talking about dark's pasta |
| 20:01.03 | warmi | heh |
| 20:06.36 | neotron | gesh, did I accidently step into #god? |
| 20:09.06 | warmi | well, there is nothing wrong with God ... |
| 20:09.19 | warmi | as long as it is in #God |
| 20:09.19 | warmi | heh |
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| 20:16.31 | Neo|Work | that kind of was my point yes. :P |
| 20:16.53 | Neo|Work | discussing software for reading the bible, sure. discussing the bible or "preaching", probably not the place |
| 20:18.34 | Pendalar_ | I'll be in #science if anyone needs me =-e |
| 20:19.40 | escobarf | Neo|Work: OK the border it's a problem. |
| 20:19.51 | fliplap | yes, and i'll be in #GiantBlasphemousGoldenIdol |
| 20:20.07 | irvke | personally I attend the Church of Virus http://virus.lucifer.com |
| 20:20.07 | escobarf | Let we talk about it. |
| 20:20.12 | Pendalar_ | from America or a standard idol? |
| 20:21.02 | fliplap | heh |
| 20:21.46 | escobarf | no more propaganda. simply: we talk about qsword. |
| 20:22.58 | escobarf | and i don't need any church. but i can't hate any church. what's the limit of free spech? |
| 20:23.06 | escobarf | speech, sorry. |
| 20:23.55 | Neo|Work | it's only an issue with topics suitable in the channel. |
| 20:24.21 | mewyn | how can you use free speech if you do not have a mouth :) |
| 20:24.21 | Neo|Work | Religion and politics are two topics you really don't want to discuss unless the channel is meant for it |
| 20:25.04 | mewyn | neo: add sex to that, too |
| 20:25.11 | W8TVI | windows sucks, linux rules |
| 20:25.22 | W8TVI | there |
| 20:25.36 | treke | vi |
| 20:25.39 | W8TVI | Religion and politics all in one statement |
| 20:25.42 | W8TVI | pico! |
| 20:26.00 | Pendalar_ | nano =-( |
| 20:26.07 | mewyn | notepad! |
| 20:26.09 | absentia | heheh |
| 20:26.11 | mewyn | *ducks* |
| 20:26.11 | absentia | so true |
| 20:26.20 | absentia | I am only 33 or so... 34? |
| 20:26.25 | absentia | and I just can't stand talking unix vs... anymore |
| 20:26.27 | absentia | or religion |
| 20:26.30 | W8TVI | ~lart mewyn |
| 20:26.35 | Pendalar_ | "custom I wrote in C with only 10 lines" |
| 20:26.40 | Pendalar_ | that's my offical answer |
| 20:27.10 | treke | edlin |
| 20:27.15 | mewyn | W8TVI: are you a ham? |
| 20:27.17 | W8TVI | copy con |
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| 20:27.26 | W8TVI | mewyn, yep |
| 20:27.29 | mewyn | cool |
| 20:27.36 | Pendalar_ | use echo and a well places >> |
| 20:27.42 | mewyn | do any packet radio stuff? |
| 20:27.43 | Pendalar_ | placed.. and all is well |
| 20:27.46 | W8TVI | I have writen alot of bat files with copy con |
| 20:28.26 | W8TVI | mewyn, http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?call=W8TVI |
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| 20:28.40 | pHluid | Eh. |
| 20:29.00 | pHluid | How do you send ESC on a 5500? Not seeing it on the keymap here. |
| 20:29.05 | W8TVI | mewyn, web.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/iss-aprs/isscalls.txt |
| 20:29.11 | treke | someone find me cheap wireless internet access |
| 20:29.14 | W8TVI | ALL CALLS DIGIPEATED VIA ISS AND CAPTURED BY FINDU.COM as of 8 ... |
| 20:29.15 | George- | hi |
| 20:29.16 | W8TVI | ... W6TY W7AI W7AI-3 W7CLN-3 W7CQ W7CRC-3 W7GLF W7GLF-9 W7HDO-9 W7JPI W7KKE W7KMV W7LGK |
| 20:29.16 | W8TVI | W7MGK W7RBR W8IX W8JV W8KJM-7 W8KOX W8KVK W8KZM W8RKG W8SCA-7 W8TVI W8UC-3 ... |
| 20:29.18 | treke | pHluid: cancel |
| 20:29.27 | pHluid | treke: Is there no way to do it with the KB? |
| 20:29.46 | W8TVI | pHluid, the cancel button |
| 20:29.50 | pHluid | Ahem. |
| 20:29.51 | treke | pHluid: cancel |
| 20:29.53 | Pendalar_ | I wonder what all usb modules I need for a APC UPS via USB to work |
| 20:29.56 | pHluid | Is there no way to do it with the KB? |
| 20:30.00 | treke | that is a button on the kb |
| 20:30.05 | yeiazel | W8TVI: Microsoft serial numbers ? :) |
| 20:30.10 | pHluid | Is there any way to send ESC without pressing Cancel? |
| 20:30.10 | mewyn | W8TVI: i've been thinking of perhaps getting a ham license one of those days |
| 20:30.44 | mark | hi George- |
| 20:30.54 | W8TVI | cancel IS the ESC button |
| 20:31.35 | George- | mark: hi |
| 20:31.46 | George- | mark: they upgraded all the school computers to XP :( |
| 20:31.51 | mark | George-: cool |
| 20:31.54 | oGMo | you mean downgraded? |
| 20:31.56 | George- | mark: and they removed my laptop from the network :( |
| 20:32.04 | mark | George-: why? |
| 20:32.16 | warmi | George: no more Apples on your school ? |
| 20:32.47 | George- | warmi: scared to death of Blaster |
| 20:32.53 | treke | can someone type an at sign please |
| 20:32.56 | mark | @ |
| 20:32.59 | George- | warmi: removed all laptops by default |
| 20:33.01 | treke | thank you |
| 20:33.02 | George- | @@@@ |
| 20:33.10 | W8TVI | @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
| 20:33.31 | pHluid | Man, that's supergay. |
| 20:33.43 | pHluid | This app won't respond to Cancel at all, though everything else is fine. |
| 20:33.54 | pHluid | And it's fullscreen, so once it's running I can't seem to kill it. |
| 20:33.59 | W8TVI | thats why I get my e-mail with linux ONLY |
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| 20:34.32 | George- | I'm out of here |
| 20:34.34 | George- | goodbye |
| 20:34.38 | mewyn | George-: um, your computer has the least chance of blaster |
| 20:34.53 | George- | mewyn: I know, but as I say, they removed them all by default |
| 20:35.13 | George- | mewyn: mine's a ppc box running linux, I don't know of any virii I'm vulnerable to :) |
| 20:36.16 | warmi | I am no religous person ( to stay on the topic) but I do thing Apple is quite evil ":-) |
| 20:36.36 | George- | warmi: die |
| 20:36.39 | George- | :) |
| 20:36.44 | George- | I hate OS X |
| 20:36.48 | George- | anyway, outa here. |
| 20:36.50 | W8TVI | use OS x |
| 20:36.59 | George- | W8TVI: no |
| 20:37.05 | mewyn | yes |
| 20:37.10 | W8TVI | at least it uses a form of unix |
| 20:37.22 | mewyn | how else are you gonna play NWN on PPC? |
| 20:38.20 | leffe | im having a little trouble here... |
| 20:38.30 | leffe | im running tkrom 1.0 |
| 20:38.45 | leffe | cant install anything (feed) anymore... |
| 20:38.52 | W8TVI | well dont use tkc rom :P |
| 20:39.02 | leffe | do i have to compile all progs i want to use ? |
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| 20:43.29 | mule | leffe: you can install anything you want |
| 20:47.33 | leffe | mule: ipkg keeps complainig... |
| 20:48.33 | leffe | mule: maybe because im running a 5600 ? |
| 20:51.09 | escobarf | bye (no more words) ;=( |
| 20:51.14 | mule | maybe |
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| 20:51.23 | mule | leffe try oz |
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| 20:57.32 | leffe | mule: unfortunately its not quite ready for the 5600... |
| 20:57.56 | leffe | mule: but ill try it as soon as they release it |
| 20:58.02 | mule | well, if you want to try experimental version... |
| 20:58.27 | leffe | i have been looking for one... but cant find it |
| 20:59.46 | koyote | most of the experimental stuff is in /unofficial/experimental |
| 20:59.47 | mule | http://www.dadeb.it/OZ5600/ |
| 20:59.57 | mule | this is my experimental stuff :P |
| 21:00.00 | koyote | but- at least on the 7x0, that can be pretty amazingly experimental |
| 21:01.08 | leffe | let me check... |
| 21:01.17 | mule | well nothing in the experimental tree boots |
| 21:01.26 | mule | for poodle I mean |
| 21:01.42 | mule | heh, unofficial experimental |
| 21:01.44 | koyote | the 750 install just crapped out |
| 21:01.45 | koyote | badly. |
| 21:01.49 | koyote | won't boot now. |
| 21:01.58 | koyote | I tried ti control-c |
| 21:02.11 | mule | leffe: if you want a working oz for 5600 follow that link I gave you. I think its the only one |
| 21:02.18 | koyote | apparently, there is no control-c implementation yet :) |
| 21:02.24 | mule | hahah |
| 21:02.32 | mule | Fn-Shift-C? |
| 21:02.37 | koyote | nope |
| 21:02.49 | koyote | doesn't work. (in oz. works in sharp) |
| 21:03.20 | leffe | mule: thanks, ill try it right now |
| 21:03.56 | mule | leffe: tell me how it went, there is also a feed there with the entire 5600 builld |
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| 21:05.14 | koyote | the 5600 stuff looks good |
| 21:05.23 | mule | the what? |
| 21:05.36 | mule | in unofficial/experimental? |
| 21:05.43 | koyote | looks like some time has been put into it |
| 21:05.45 | koyote | no |
| 21:05.46 | koyote | yours |
| 21:06.05 | mule | oh, I didnt build the site :) I just built the ipks |
| 21:06.15 | mule | usb networking works now too |
| 21:06.22 | koyote | yah |
| 21:06.50 | leffe | mule: i get Forbidden on update.sh (permissions ?) zImage and initrd.bin are ok to download |
| 21:06.52 | koyote | guess I'm going to have to sit down and find an intel based machine (UGH! UGH! UGH!) and start building some stuff. |
| 21:07.03 | koyote | I really want a workable 750 install |
| 21:07.14 | mule | leffe: then get update.sh from somewhere else...they are all the same |
| 21:07.44 | mule | koyote: you have to build it, and pester kergoth a lot (that's what I did) |
| 21:07.47 | koyote | updater.sh is on the unofficial/experimental/shepherd/updater.sh |
| 21:07.59 | leffe | ok |
| 21:08.02 | mule | ermm...but get a 5600 one |
| 21:08.08 | mule | from sharp |
| 21:08.15 | mule | or tkc |
| 21:09.09 | mule | hahah! I am really pleased. Everything works except. taps on screen clicks |
| 21:09.10 | koyote | so they are all the same except :) |
| 21:09.30 | mule | except I havent personally tried a shepherd one so I cant be sure :P |
| 21:10.22 | koyote | mule: can you tell me where you start? I haven't yet found documentation on how to go about starting to make a build environment |
| 21:11.44 | mule | you need to get the buildroot |
| 21:11.51 | mule | using bitkeeper |
| 21:12.00 | mule | the buildroot will do everything for you |
| 21:12.07 | kergoth | there are tarball snapshots of buildroot, but they arent always current |
| 21:12.52 | mule | kergoth: usb net works on poodle :P |
| 21:13.24 | koyote | okay |
| 21:13.28 | kergoth | eh? it does? i though modprobing pxa_bi oopses? |
| 21:13.32 | koyote | so first I need to find out what bitkeeper is |
| 21:13.47 | kergoth | source control system, like cvs/rcs/SCCS/svn/arch |
| 21:13.51 | kergoth | ibot: bitkeeper |
| 21:13.52 | | from memory, bitkeeper is at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ or hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ or like cvs and subversion, but its non-opensource.. but its really good, even linus uses it to develop the kernel! |
| 21:13.54 | mule | well, we got it working, not here...but the guy who is hosting my build did |
| 21:14.26 | koyote | okay |
| 21:14.48 | koyote | *sigh* |
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| 21:15.00 | kergoth | mule: get me details :) |
| 21:15.08 | mule | details of what? |
| 21:15.09 | koyote | I feel like everytime I try to do anything involving linux I have to start over again from scratch. |
| 21:15.15 | koyote | not that I LIKE cvs.... |
| 21:15.59 | mule | kergoth I made him write a how-to http://www.dadeb.it/OZ5600/usbdfix.txt |
| 21:16.18 | mule | you will laugh when you read it |
| 21:16.50 | kergoth | haha |
| 21:16.54 | kergoth | oh my. |
| 21:17.01 | kergoth | so module load order is what caused the oops |
| 21:17.02 | koyote | okay, and we are still in mixed gcc land, yes? I need to crosscompile in 2.95.3 and 3.x |
| 21:17.12 | mule | :P my pleasure |
| 21:17.15 | kergoth | what a hack. |
| 21:17.22 | kergoth | ~lart lineo |
| 21:18.13 | koyote | maybe I need to not do this on my mac. |
| 21:23.41 | leffe | mule: this is really great, looks really nice and loaded with progs... I knew it was worth waiting for ;-) |
| 21:25.31 | mule | great! |
| 21:25.38 | mule | it has python and perl |
| 21:25.44 | mule | I will build a smaller rom too |
| 21:26.02 | leffe | now to the bad news... |
| 21:26.12 | mule | leffe: do me a favour please? |
| 21:26.16 | mule | oh...the bad news |
| 21:26.26 | kergoth | mule: mickeyl is altering /etc/modules for our pxa devices to reflect that usbd url |
| 21:26.30 | leffe | no wlan support for socket card... (?) |
| 21:26.32 | kergoth | should take care of that out of the box |
| 21:26.45 | kergoth | mule: make sure you include orinoco, thats what has the socket support |
| 21:26.49 | mule | leffe: my lan works fine ;/ |
| 21:26.57 | leffe | what favour mule ? |
| 21:27.03 | mule | kergoth: aaah |
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| 21:28.54 | mule | leffe: orinoco modules are at http://www.dadeb.it/zaurusfeed/orinoco-modules_0.13e-0.4.2-1_poodle.ipk |
| 21:29.05 | leffe | ok |
| 21:29.13 | hardwire | poodle? |
| 21:29.29 | kergoth | hardwire: sl-5600 |
| 21:29.37 | hardwire | the iPoodle? |
| 21:30.01 | kergoth | heh. sharp and their silly machine naming |
| 21:30.02 | mule | leffe: also a feed of the entire build |
| 21:30.16 | kergoth | mule: so is buildroot being happier for you lately? |
| 21:30.16 | W8TVI | ibot: dogs |
| 21:30.17 | | W8TVI: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 21:31.05 | mule | kergoth: well I had to change minor stuff, and I have never comipled anything before in my life so it was a learning process ;/ I quite like the buildroot actually |
| 21:31.18 | mule | it's very clever |
| 21:31.52 | mule | I should get him to put up a bug-report form on that site |
| 21:32.37 | W8TVI | ibot: collie |
| 21:32.38 | | rumour has it, collie is sharp sl-5500 and sl-5000d, or a dog |
| 21:32.40 | mule | leffe: tell me how you go on |
| 21:32.48 | mule | or a dog |
| 21:33.40 | kergoth | mule: we're looking into a new task/bug tracking system for oe/oz, but nobody's had time to set it up and test it out |
| 21:33.48 | leffe | copying the files to cf (on a laptop) |
| 21:33.49 | mule | in fact: oz = the buildroot |
| 21:34.10 | mule | hmm...web based? |
| 21:34.21 | kergoth | mule: fyi, buildroot discussion is generally in #openembedded, with the other oe/oz devs |
| 21:34.24 | kergoth | yeah, its "rt" |
| 21:34.39 | mule | leffe: I want to know EVERYTHING that is wrong with that thing please :) |
| 21:34.42 | kergoth | seems to be as powerful as bugzilla, but with a usable interface |
| 21:35.14 | mule | maybe I should lurk there for a while |
| 21:35.37 | mule | shall I ask for my 'open in a new window' feature ? |
| 21:35.57 | kergoth | submit it to opie's bts. #opie is the best place for opie specific bits |
| 21:36.03 | koyote | bitkeeper 'supports' os X |
| 21:36.16 | kergoth | koyote: buildroot doesnt :) feel free to make it work there thoguh |
| 21:36.24 | mule | koyote: cant you just put debian on it? |
| 21:36.25 | kergoth | i should fix buildroot's cygwin build one of these days |
| 21:36.33 | koyote | why does buildroot not? |
| 21:36.38 | koyote | gcc cross compiling, no? |
| 21:36.55 | kergoth | buildroot encompases builds of hundreds of applications |
| 21:37.06 | kergoth | not all of them are going to build out of hte box, i'd say |
| 21:37.09 | kergoth | never know though. |
| 21:37.18 | koyote | ah, the windows/wince problem |
| 21:37.22 | kergoth | cygwin for example required patching a number of applications |
| 21:37.25 | mule | most of them do...opie is brilliant |
| 21:38.17 | koyote | so buildroot requires working applications dependent on a linux install |
| 21:38.26 | koyote | on the 'host' |
| 21:38.35 | mule | koyote: so get linux |
| 21:38.39 | kergoth | koyote: there are some build machine dpendencies, but few. |
| 21:38.44 | kergoth | buildroot does build some of those |
| 21:38.52 | koyote | mule: oh, that would be cross platform. |
| 21:38.52 | kergoth | i.e. auto*, libtool, ipkg, .. |
| 21:39.04 | koyote | i actually don't have a n intel box here. *any* intel box |
| 21:39.33 | mule | cant you cross compile mac-ppc or whatever it is to arm? |
| 21:39.39 | koyote | kergoth: most of that should be in fink |
| 21:39.47 | koyote | mule: that's the goal :) |
| 21:39.58 | kergoth | koyote: yep. worth a shot. |
| 21:39.59 | mule | surely linux would achieve that? |
| 21:40.03 | kergoth | koyote: buildroot can build crosscompilers.. |
| 21:40.10 | kergoth | koyote: so if you get it working, you're most of the way there |
| 21:40.43 | koyote | well, I'm not puttingmicrosupported linux builds on a fully supported unix laptop :) |
| 21:40.51 | koyote | kergoth: should work. then. |
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| 21:41.18 | koyote | and I don't even want to think about putting linux on one fo the 280s |
| 21:42.11 | koyote | ah, bitkeeper |
| 21:43.45 | leffe | mule: strange... it beeps when i insert the CF, but the files dont show up... df gives nothing |
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| 21:45.20 | koyote | that's a first step |
| 21:47.16 | leffe | mule: SD is ok (but i cant copy any files from the laptop to SD == no network) |
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| 21:49.33 | leffe | the GUI feels more responsive than than the Sharp |
| 21:51.21 | kergoth | mule: are you doing your builds with gcc2 or gcc3? |
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| 21:56.13 | TCMAN | hi |
| 21:58.31 | koyote | ah, home |
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| 22:09.36 | leffe | mule: got to get some sleep, thanks for all the help. |
| 22:09.49 | leffe | Ill keep you posted with bugreports |
| 22:10.14 | leffe | most serious for now is the CF not being recognized (Sandisk 64MB) |
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