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| 00:01.57 | MG_Tak | ChipX86: thanks :) it worked |
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| 00:02.05 | MG_Tak | took me forever to install it 'cause I screwed up my nat |
| 00:02.09 | MG_Tak | but it worked |
| 00:02.12 | ChipX86 | :/ |
| 00:02.14 | ChipX86 | at least it worked |
| 00:02.39 | MG_Tak | ChipX86: well, I forgot I rebooted my computer, so my nat wasn't running |
| 00:02.44 | ChipX86 | ah |
| 00:03.26 | treke | ok. gcrypt actually works |
| 00:03.36 | ChipX86 | cool :) |
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| 00:07.34 | mule | can I just be annoying for a second and ask whether glibc-arm and the arm headers are available from debian? |
| 00:07.44 | treke | no they arent |
| 00:07.53 | mule | or can I just use the ones on the oz site? |
| 00:07.59 | treke | they use a different glibc |
| 00:08.05 | mule | damn |
| 00:08.11 | mule | or is that good? |
| 00:08.11 | treke | use the oz stuff |
| 00:08.16 | treke | that's good |
| 00:08.24 | mule | ok, I won't get debian conflicts right? |
| 00:08.31 | treke | Use the OZ stuff |
| 00:08.35 | mule | ok :) |
| 00:09.48 | mule | thanks |
| 00:10.22 | mule | now can I just use the sharp source? |
| 00:10.41 | kergoth | sharp source to what? |
| 00:10.41 | mule | or do I have to do the bitkeeper stuff as shown in the faq? |
| 00:10.49 | mule | kernel5600 |
| 00:10.50 | kergoth | you can download and build whatever you want |
| 00:11.03 | mule | thanks :) |
| 00:11.04 | kergoth | buildroot jsut makes it easier by automating download/extract/patch/build/package |
| 00:11.20 | mule | are there instructions? |
| 00:12.57 | mule | in fact, I'll give up now, theres no way I'll be able to build the right kernel |
| 00:26.33 | treke | ok. libgnutls compiles, needs packaging though |
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| 00:42.41 | MG_Tak | wow |
| 00:42.46 | MG_Tak | Steven Tyler looks like Cher |
| 00:42.48 | MG_Tak | except prettier |
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| 00:54.42 | mcman | Hey -- Anyone able to sync to their zaurus from a 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:55.23 | treke | ok. gnutls is packaged also |
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| 01:03.11 | rev|z | yo yo yo yo |
| 01:03.28 | MG_Tak | yo rev|z |
| 01:03.38 | mule | the arm cross-compiler has a problem with a missing version.h file in the kernel source...anything I can do? I can copy the vague format of the file from other places, but shouldnt it be in the source? |
| 01:04.05 | kergoth | eh? |
| 01:04.10 | kergoth | the kernel source generates version.h |
| 01:04.16 | kergoth | at make dep time |
| 01:04.21 | mule | ah |
| 01:04.27 | mule | well make dep fails |
| 01:04.41 | kergoth | oh, yeah, thats a funny little bug |
| 01:04.51 | mule | what can I do? |
| 01:04.54 | kergoth | the tools used to make dep follow includes that end up needing version.h |
| 01:04.59 | kergoth | but without those tools, version.h is never built |
| 01:05.05 | mule | I see |
| 01:05.26 | kergoth | i think theres a patch in buildroot to work around that |
| 01:05.43 | mule | what is buildroot? I cant find anything about it |
| 01:05.49 | kergoth | buildroot is OZ's buildsystem. |
| 01:05.53 | kergoth | ibot: buildroot |
| 01:05.54 | | it has been said that buildroot is a cool system for building embedded root file systems and can be found at http://uclibc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/buildroot/ or a heavily modified version used by the OpenZaurus project, or see oz buildroot |
| 01:06.13 | mule | ibot: oz buildroot |
| 01:06.14 | | well, oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 01:07.17 | mule | well it just keeps getting simpler ;/ |
| 01:07.33 | kergoth | fix the compile problem yourself then :P |
| 01:07.46 | mule | awwww, dont be mad...:) |
| 01:08.43 | kergoth | http://openzaurus.bkbits.net:8080/buildroot/anno/packages/kernel-shepherd/compile.patch@1.1?nav=index.html|src/|src/packages|src/packages/kernel-shepherd |
| 01:08.48 | kergoth | thats the patch that fixes make dep |
| 01:08.52 | kergoth | its one of many we apply |
| 01:09.04 | mule | oh...many? |
| 01:09.38 | mule | and buildroot does it all? |
| 01:09.58 | mule | well thanks for the patch |
| 01:10.03 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:10.17 | kergoth | buildroot obtains sources, applies any number of patches, builds, packages, and can optionally build images |
| 01:13.54 | mule | wow, your fixed poodle kernel |
| 01:16.39 | mule | is the url uclibc.org for buildroot, the oz version? |
| 01:16.44 | kergoth | no |
| 01:16.49 | kergoth | uclibc uses an old style buildroot |
| 01:17.07 | mule | the oz version is on the site I guess |
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| 01:17.37 | kergoth | yep, oz's buildroot is the one mentioned by the faq and the ibot factoid |
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| 01:52.09 | mule | erm...so I've installed bk, made a repository, but I can't get any files using 'bk url' url: command not found |
| 01:54.19 | _Psycho_ | ibot: oz buildroot |
| 01:54.20 | | extra, extra, read all about it, oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 01:54.27 | _Psycho_ | its like bk clone http:// |
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| 02:02.38 | mule | ok thanks |
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| 02:19.04 | tanq | hey guys |
| 02:19.08 | tanq | how's it going? |
| 02:19.18 | tanq | do you guys still need help testing the build |
| 02:20.34 | tanq | hey mule |
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| 02:25.21 | mule | hey tanq |
| 02:25.29 | mule | I'm trying to build |
| 02:25.42 | tanq | build what |
| 02:25.47 | tanq | the kernel |
| 02:25.47 | mule | did you do the buildroot thing? kernel |
| 02:26.08 | tanq | it failed yesterday and i havent had time until now to mess with menuconfig |
| 02:26.35 | mule | what method are you using? |
| 02:27.01 | tanq | ? |
| 02:27.15 | tanq | what do you mean.. is there more than one method |
| 02:28.28 | mule | well did you install buildroot? |
| 02:28.31 | tanq | yeah |
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| 02:29.09 | tanq | i went by the directions on open zaurus |
| 02:30.20 | mule | well I am stuck - it says I shouldnt compile something with my version of gcc |
| 02:30.31 | fdask | what version |
| 02:30.33 | tanq | paste the error in here |
| 02:30.42 | tanq | does it fail in checks? |
| 02:30.48 | kergoth | then either your toolchain is hosed, or you're trying to build glibc 2.3 with gcc2.9x, or glibc 2.2 with gcc3.x |
| 02:30.54 | mule | when I make at the end of the bk clone stuff |
| 02:30.57 | kergoth | ls /usr/local/arm/2.95.3/bin/arm-linux-gcc |
| 02:31.40 | mule | kergoth: there is nothing there |
| 02:31.48 | kergoth | theres the problem. |
| 02:31.54 | kergoth | you didnt download a toolchain? |
| 02:31.59 | kergoth | you need a crosscompiler to crosscompile. |
| 02:32.01 | mule | yes I did |
| 02:32.09 | kergoth | what did you download? |
| 02:32.29 | mule | cross-3.3.1pre-oz1.tar.gz |
| 02:32.37 | kergoth | make menuconfig |
| 02:32.38 | kergoth | build options |
| 02:32.44 | kergoth | disable gcc2, enable gcc3 |
| 02:32.49 | kergoth | set gcc 3 version to 3.3 |
| 02:32.52 | kergoth | save and exit |
| 02:32.53 | kergoth | make |
| 02:32.59 | mule | in which directory? |
| 02:33.03 | kergoth | what? |
| 02:33.06 | kergoth | in the fucking buildroot. |
| 02:33.11 | kergoth | wher ethe fuck else would you run make menuconfig? |
| 02:33.22 | mule | ermm...ok thanks |
| 02:34.09 | kergoth | oh, before you exit menuconfig |
| 02:34.19 | kergoth | go into packages -> libraries and change glibc to 2.3.2 |
| 02:38.12 | mule | I dont know how, but that appears to work, thanks |
| 02:38.42 | mule | this is very clever the way it downloads sources from various places |
| 02:40.06 | koyote | bad bad bad! |
| 02:59.39 | tanq | mule: yeah its great until a site is down |
| 02:59.52 | tanq | like the problem i had yesterday |
| 03:00.22 | mule | heh |
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| 03:37.44 | treke|home | the c7x0 doesnt have mic in it, does it? |
| 03:38.53 | koyote | not sure, actually |
| 03:39.35 | koyote | no obvious holes oor indicators |
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| 04:18.40 | W8TVI | hey devusb |
| 04:18.45 | devusb | hey W8TVI :) |
| 04:19.06 | W8TVI | I've even got kismet 3.0.1 for the zaurus |
| 04:19.59 | W8TVI | want the url? |
| 04:20.58 | devusb | if you are, then yeah, sure :) |
| 04:21.04 | W8TVI | :) |
| 04:21.15 | devusb | if you're not, just pretend i'm not here |
| 04:24.14 | W8TVI | devusb: http://inexistent.ath.cx:8182/zaurus/Kismet-3.0.1-with-pcap.tar.gz |
| 04:24.53 | devusb | i've got some version of kismet on there now, just not sure which |
| 04:25.06 | W8TVI | 3.0.1 works nice |
| 04:25.16 | W8TVI | what rom are you using? |
| 04:25.25 | devusb | openzaurus atm |
| 04:25.35 | W8TVI | cool |
| 04:27.59 | W8TVI | and the WCF12 works on the OZ rom? |
| 04:28.06 | devusb | yeah, perfectly |
| 04:28.08 | W8TVI | with kismet? |
| 04:28.10 | devusb | yep |
| 04:28.26 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 04:29.49 | devusb | well, bed |
| 04:29.51 | devusb | night |
| 04:30.29 | W8TVI | night |
| 04:44.26 | ChipX86 | I love the screenshot on OZ's screenshots page at the bottom that shows Kinkatta-Lite with the gaim icon ;) |
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| 04:47.45 | kergoth | hah, never noticed |
| 04:49.00 | ChipX86 | what's the best way to allow users to select from groups of preferences? Most things use tabs, though I imagine there will be a number of them for qpe-gaim |
| 04:51.44 | kergoth | hmm. opie has the otabbar which the user can configure to be a tab bar or a dropdown.. |
| 04:51.49 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 04:52.04 | ChipX86 | I'm planning on using libopie in 0.3, so I'll use that |
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| 05:05.59 | tanq | thats weird.. |
| 05:06.06 | tanq | wouldnt compile because i hade qte selected |
| 05:06.37 | tanq | hopefully this build will work |
| 05:07.08 | tanq | hey what do u guys use to grab screenshots |
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| 05:09.13 | TCMAN | hi |
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| 06:34.42 | tanq | =0 i might actually have a working kernel |
| 06:34.56 | krezel|laptop | I have a stupid newbie question |
| 06:35.34 | krezel|laptop | How do I upgrade from a fresh flash to "testing" without breaking my system? I can't quite figure that out... |
| 06:35.54 | tanq | back up your data and then flash away? |
| 06:36.41 | tanq | make sure that you have a cf card that you can use to flash back to a stable rom in case you have problems |
| 06:37.05 | krezel|laptop | tanq: Well I don't have any data on it so I don't really care about that. I'm talking about doing an "ipkg upgrade" from a 3.2 stable flash to get my whole system up to the testing level from the feeds. |
| 06:39.33 | tanq | i dunno man.... just see what the dependencies are.. |
| 06:39.33 | tanq | i'm still new to the zaurus |
| 06:39.33 | tanq | but i would treat this about the same as any other linux package manager |
| 06:39.46 | krezel|laptop | Either that, or how to get a "testing" root & kernel without having to wait 12 hours for buildroot to finish |
| 06:39.51 | krezel|laptop | heh no worries tanq |
| 06:41.02 | krezel|laptop | ipkg isnt quite as nice as dpkg :( |
| 06:41.17 | madeddie | i never succeeded in an automated upgrade |
| 06:41.28 | krezel|laptop | yeah |
| 06:41.29 | madeddie | one package at a time sometimes works though |
| 06:41.33 | krezel|laptop | :-\ |
| 06:41.38 | krezel|laptop | ok |
| 06:41.47 | madeddie | embedded linux has a long way to go :) |
| 06:41.53 | krezel|laptop | how about an ipkg for kismet 3.0.x then? |
| 06:42.19 | madeddie | dunno, i myself am using debian at the moment |
| 06:42.34 | madeddie | apt-get install kismet works nicely |
| 06:42.56 | krezel|laptop | madeddie: how did you get debian installed? |
| 06:43.00 | krezel|laptop | I'd like to try that |
| 06:43.36 | krezel|laptop | and can you still install ipkg's? |
| 06:43.59 | madeddie | i'm looking for the url |
| 06:44.23 | krezel|laptop | cool, thanks |
| 06:44.25 | madeddie | i actually got a "standard" rom in flash and debian on an SD card |
| 06:44.39 | madeddie | http://pocketworkstation.org |
| 06:45.09 | kergoth | apt-get will have the same problems as ipkg with regard to upgrade issues |
| 06:45.19 | kergoth | its the nature of the environment |
| 06:45.29 | madeddie | the way it works is that you boot off of another rom, then the debian system get chrooted, an Xvnc server is started and you connect to it with a framebuffer vnc client |
| 06:45.51 | krezel|laptop | Hmm interesting... |
| 06:46.04 | madeddie | kergoth: true, but the kismet package from the debian source works for me though :) |
| 06:46.51 | madeddie | krezel|laptop: you're still running on the kernel from the original rom you booted off though |
| 06:47.02 | krezel|laptop | Yeah I noticed that |
| 06:47.16 | krezel|laptop | Anybody got good or bad things to say about thekompany.com's ROM? |
| 06:47.22 | madeddie | so the only real bonus is the "native" X and getting to install debian packages |
| 06:47.29 | madeddie | never tried it |
| 06:49.03 | madeddie | i like the hybrid cackow/crow rom, but it's a bit out of development, like most efforts seem to be |
| 06:49.28 | kergoth | uh |
| 06:49.29 | kergoth | guys |
| 06:49.34 | madeddie | yeah? |
| 06:49.35 | kergoth | ipkg in OZ can install .debs |
| 06:49.37 | tanq | sup |
| 06:49.43 | kergoth | .ipk _is_ a .deb (new format) |
| 06:49.56 | madeddie | i know, but it doesn't always work as you expect it |
| 06:50.03 | kergoth | huh? |
| 06:50.06 | kergoth | it works exactly as it should. |
| 06:50.13 | madeddie | for me, kismet was installed in all the wrong places with non usable symlinks |
| 06:50.20 | krezel|laptop | kergoth: so I could download the newest kismet-arm.deb and install that? |
| 06:50.25 | kergoth | krezel|laptop: exactly. |
| 06:50.27 | madeddie | well. then, it doesn't work like _I_ expect it :) |
| 06:50.28 | krezel|laptop | you rock |
| 06:51.10 | madeddie | ah well, if it doesn't work out of the box, it'll work with some tinkering anyway |
| 06:51.25 | krezel|laptop | when in doubt, beat it with a big stick till it runs |
| 06:51.49 | krezel|laptop | I tried the ipkg of 2.8.1 from kismetwireless.net, but it likes to freeze my Z |
| 06:51.50 | kergoth | krezel|laptop: dependencies will almost certainly be hokey, since the package wasnt designed for that distro. not unlike installing a suse or mandrake package into redhat |
| 06:52.05 | krezel|laptop | kind of like using alien on debian |
| 06:52.13 | kergoth | but beyond that, and the fact that .debs include crap you dont need (man pages, /usr/share/doc bits, etc) |
| 06:52.45 | krezel|laptop | yeah |
| 06:54.37 | madeddie | hmm ogg vorbis doesn't work too good on my machine either, mplayer only plays the first song from a /blha/blah/ogg/* and ogg123 under debian is using too much resources :( |
| 06:55.37 | krezel|laptop | kergoth: how's the new job? |
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| 06:58.18 | kergoth | krezel|laptop: not too bad. busy, keeps it from getting boring |
| 06:58.44 | krezel|laptop | Thats good |
| 06:59.31 | vadim | how unstable are kernels with write-back cache enabled on PXA250? |
| 07:07.54 | ChipX86 | g'night kergoth |
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| 10:27.16 | bluey | MG_Tak: good morning :) |
| 10:28.16 | MG_Tak | what's up? :) |
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| 10:50.33 | jaku | hi all, how is the new version v3? is it good? |
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| 10:50.52 | SillyZ | mornin |
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| 13:05.19 | absentia | ok, I received my C7xx manual from dynamism... man, what a let down. |
| 13:06.21 | treke | Why? |
| 13:10.26 | mule | I just compiled (?successfully) a kernel with the oz-buildroot...where should it be? I can't find it |
| 13:27.00 | mule | it's ok, I found it |
| 13:28.11 | jaku | is it possible to rotate with v3? |
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| 13:30.29 | cyn | absentia: utter abomination of 'no shittery' ? |
| 13:33.17 | vadim | absentia: english version? |
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| 13:59.56 | absentia | english |
| 13:59.58 | absentia | yes |
| 14:00.14 | absentia | I think my 760 is going to get shipped today |
| 14:00.18 | absentia | dynamism was REALLY slow with this. |
| 14:01.23 | mule | can I ask how much you pay? |
| 14:02.03 | mule | are c760 much bigger than psion5? |
| 14:02.50 | absentia | I was charged $817 on my cc |
| 14:03.10 | absentia | two days ago |
| 14:04.03 | tanq | hey mule |
| 14:04.21 | tanq | man i wonder when opera sn ibm will release their multimodla browser |
| 14:04.33 | mule | hey tanq |
| 14:04.33 | tanq | that will be a cool thing to have for the zaurus |
| 14:04.35 | mule | hows things? |
| 14:04.36 | tanq | yeah.. |
| 14:04.44 | tanq | got an error on xfree and went to sleep |
| 14:04.46 | tanq | heh |
| 14:04.48 | mule | hehe |
| 14:05.05 | tanq | can you send me your config |
| 14:05.07 | mule | I've been comp[iling kernel all morning...no good :( |
| 14:05.14 | mule | can you send me yours!! |
| 14:05.17 | tanq | lol |
| 14:05.20 | mule | lmao |
| 14:05.26 | tanq | what problems are you having.. |
| 14:05.27 | mule | this is killing me |
| 14:05.40 | mule | the kernel builds, but I can't boot from it |
| 14:05.46 | tanq | you have your compiled though.. |
| 14:05.48 | tanq | ok. |
| 14:05.50 | mule | yeah |
| 14:05.53 | tanq | what errors doy ou ge ton boot |
| 14:06.03 | mule | it seems compiled...I get a zImage.bin |
| 14:06.13 | mule | no errors, nothing ever comes up |
| 14:06.18 | tanq | hmm.. |
| 14:06.26 | treke | could have used the wrong toolchain |
| 14:06.30 | mule | but I have console=null set... |
| 14:06.36 | tanq | brb.. |
| 14:07.01 | mule | maybe, I am using 2.95 |
| 14:07.11 | treke | could be using the wrong 2.95 |
| 14:07.21 | mule | I got it from the oz site ;/ |
| 14:07.27 | treke | could be using the wrong 2.95 |
| 14:07.34 | mule | damn |
| 14:07.36 | treke | There are more than one 2.95 based toolchain on the site |
| 14:07.42 | mule | how can I check? |
| 14:08.09 | treke | you need to be using cross-2.95.3.tar.bz2 |
| 14:08.34 | mule | /official/toolchain/old ? |
| 14:08.38 | treke | yes |
| 14:08.44 | mule | aah, I have 2.95.4 |
| 14:08.54 | mule | hehehe....how do you know this? |
| 14:08.56 | tanq | ok.. |
| 14:09.03 | tanq | yeah 2.95.4 wouldnt work for me |
| 14:09.09 | tanq | i'm using *.3 |
| 14:09.21 | treke | mule: I've been doing this for months. You pick this sort of thing up |
| 14:09.32 | tanq | yeah treke helped me out too |
| 14:09.32 | tanq | heheh |
| 14:09.37 | mule | 2.95.3-oz or just 2.95.3 ? |
| 14:09.43 | treke | just 2.95.3 |
| 14:09.53 | mule | ok |
| 14:11.13 | tanq | so what if i am using -oz |
| 14:11.20 | treke | tanq: it wont boot |
| 14:11.24 | tanq | shit |
| 14:11.27 | tanq | afklajs;flkjsa;fdlksdf |
| 14:11.46 | mule | treke: how come? |
| 14:12.10 | treke | mule: Sharp's kernel tree doesn |
| 14:12.30 | treke | mule: Sharp's kernel tree doesn't compile properly with the binutils in the newer toolchains |
| 14:12.57 | mule | my kernel came from kernel.org |
| 14:13.09 | treke | mule: You are using sharps patches |
| 14:13.13 | mule | I see |
| 14:13.22 | mule | 2.95.3 it is then :) |
| 14:13.23 | treke | mule: If you aren't using them, your zaurus wont even come near working properly |
| 14:13.49 | mule | hehe, the kernel needs patching just to compile :) |
| 14:14.12 | treke | nope. Kernel needs patching to work on some odd piece of hardware |
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| 14:14.53 | mule | are there any oz mirrors of the /official ?I am having reaL trouble with the oz site |
| 14:15.06 | treke | not that I know of |
| 14:15.09 | tanq | i thought u guys were testing a kernel from kergoth last night |
| 14:15.15 | tanq | er yesterday afternoon |
| 14:15.50 | treke | kergoth has a kernel for the 5500 that involved rewrites of parts of sharps patches |
| 14:15.53 | mule | tanq: I was, but it's not a quiet kernel in that it spews messages, so while it works, you can't really use it as a pda :) |
| 14:15.55 | treke | that is for 5500 right now |
| 14:19.07 | irvke | mule: I got connectivity back |
| 14:19.12 | irvke | :) |
| 14:20.00 | irvke | I cheated, I got a friend over today who knew what he was doing |
| 14:20.01 | mule | irvke: nice, how? |
| 14:20.11 | tanq | heh |
| 14:20.16 | mule | hahaha, that will never help :) |
| 14:20.19 | tanq | u know this ambicom is great now... |
| 14:20.22 | irvke | unfortunately I had to go to the bank and he'd done it when I got back |
| 14:20.43 | mule | irvke: well at least it's working |
| 14:20.54 | irvke | he did say before he left "I forgot to put iptables in the kernel, you can do that" |
| 14:21.03 | mule | hahaha |
| 14:21.13 | irvke | so I won't be able to surf from the zaurus |
| 14:21.18 | irvke | yet |
| 14:21.38 | mule | why? |
| 14:21.53 | irvke | got my wireless card today though and installed kismet from the windows machine |
| 14:22.19 | irvke | I have to route through the debian box usb0 --> eth0 don't I? |
| 14:22.39 | mule | oh I guess so...usb net |
| 14:23.10 | mule | I would never do that since I already have wireless |
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| 14:24.46 | BigCanOfTuna | What's the deal with the keyboard and mouse not working with VNC? |
| 14:34.07 | pHluid | Broken mknod in busybox. |
| 14:34.28 | pHluid | At least that's the prob in OZ |
| 14:34.35 | pHluid | Dunno what ROM you're using. |
| 14:35.14 | mule | tanq: tryong with the 2.95.3 chain. Have you made a woking kernel? |
| 14:43.22 | tanq | not yet |
| 14:43.35 | mule | I cant find ther kernel I just built!! |
| 14:43.56 | irvke | heh, that happens to me every time |
| 14:44.01 | tanq | do a find / |
| 14:44.09 | mule | I did |
| 14:44.15 | mule | well locate and updatedb |
| 14:44.22 | cyn | not in that order right |
| 14:44.27 | tanq | heh |
| 14:44.30 | mule | no, not in that order :) |
| 14:44.46 | mule | can I swear? |
| 14:44.54 | tanq | weel building the kernel without Xfree right now |
| 14:45.01 | tanq | until i figure out what is wrong |
| 14:45.23 | mule | where does the buildroot put it's images by default? |
| 14:45.35 | cyn | prolly an output directory or something |
| 14:45.58 | cyn | or maybe an 'image' / 'images' directory ? |
| 14:46.19 | mule | well it's not here |
| 14:46.28 | mule | piss! |
| 14:48.27 | tanq | did you do locate image? |
| 14:48.40 | tanq | find /buildroot -name image |
| 14:49.10 | BigCanOfTuna | I am using Rom3.1 on a 5500....I am having problems with VNC not recognizing mouse or keyboard input...anyone suggest a cure for this? |
| 14:49.18 | tanq | did you do make image mule ? |
| 14:49.19 | cyn | should be a zimage ya ? |
| 14:49.31 | tanq | cyn: i think it has to be renamed |
| 14:49.55 | mule | yeah I made one once called zImage-2.4.18 blah.bin |
| 14:50.20 | mule | I cant remember where that was |
| 14:51.28 | pHluid | BigCanOfTuna: A) Did you reboot after installing it. And B) it may be the same problem with mknod that OZ has. |
| 14:51.36 | mule | is there any way I can tell from the compile messages? |
| 14:52.34 | mule | well if it fails, I will reinstall the buildroot ;/ |
| 14:52.53 | cyn | hmm I doubt sharprom would have the mknod issue, though I guess it's perfectly possible if they used that version |
| 14:53.26 | cyn | mule: unless build messages errored out it shoulda created what you were building - which doesn't mean it'll work of course, but it should exist |
| 14:53.47 | pHluid | I don't even know if the sharp rom uses Busybox :P |
| 14:53.50 | pHluid | I've never even seen it. |
| 14:53.51 | pHluid | heh. |
| 14:54.00 | pHluid | I did flash tkc.ROM for like an hour once. |
| 14:57.27 | mule | Hah I found a zImage in buildroot/build/linux/arch/arm/boot |
| 14:59.01 | cyn | makes sense. |
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| 14:59.13 | cyn | now that I see it |
| 14:59.28 | cyn | so build is prolly the output dir |
| 14:59.37 | mule | it made one once called it zImage-2.4.18 and put it somewhere more useful though |
| 14:59.43 | cyn | hm |
| 15:00.40 | mule | lets flash this useful POS |
| 15:03.38 | mule | well I have the sharp logo... ;/ |
| 15:04.04 | koyote | can |
| 15:05.00 | irvke | right qtopia desktop can wait, I'm off to devon for the weekend and to fix me ma's xpvirus box (where at least I know what I'm doing), have a nice w/e everyone |
| 15:05.22 | mule | you too |
| 15:07.29 | cyn | ya sharprom uses busybox |
| 15:07.41 | cyn | least on c700 |
| 15:07.55 | cyn | can't see them using anything else anywhere else - it'd be too bloaty |
| 15:10.08 | mule | when the sharp logo says 3 minutes...how long should I wait? |
| 15:10.55 | mspencer[away] | san fun gurai, more or less :) |
| 15:11.39 | mspencer | == "about 3 minutes" in Japanese :) |
| 15:12.41 | mule | :) |
| 15:12.52 | mule | well its 4 |
| 15:13.07 | mspencer | oops, it's san pun, not san fun -- and once I get to the "ni fun" screen it really only takes me about 30 seconds. |
| 15:13.27 | mspencer | so it should say ippun han shuu shuu omachi kudasai on mine :) |
| 15:14.13 | mspencer | I don't know those two kanji in the middle but I assume they're "shuu shuu", which is part of that common storeclerk-to-customer phrase :) |
| 15:15.09 | mspencer | If I ever release a C700 replacement rom optimized for English-native speakers learning Japanese, I'll modify that 'please wait' screen with furigana pronounciation aids and a chart showing what the kanji mean :-) |
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| 15:25.27 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 15:25.37 | warmi | hi |
| 15:28.20 | mspencer | waiting for the next SCO-executive scheduled stock sale |
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| 15:31.28 | mewyn | damn laptop |
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| 15:56.59 | warmi | ah RH on thinkpads is basically unusable |
| 15:57.05 | warmi | f** this |
| 16:09.05 | mewyn | how so? |
| 16:09.40 | warmi | well, it tends to go to sleep ar random |
| 16:09.44 | warmi | which is quite annoying |
| 16:10.38 | mewyn | ACPI or APM kernel? |
| 16:11.19 | warmi | APM |
| 16:11.44 | warmi | I am going to get rid of LINux on that laptop |
| 16:11.47 | warmi | it simply doesn't work |
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| 16:14.20 | mewyn | how old is the laptop? |
| 16:14.37 | warmi | uh .... 6-7 months |
| 16:14.43 | warmi | not old at all |
| 16:15.08 | mewyn | you should be using an ACPI kernel |
| 16:15.32 | mewyn | when the next RH comes out, throw that on it. |
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| 16:16.32 | treke | if it goes to sleep at random, the apm kernel is probably right |
| 16:16.33 | mewyn | if i was working at the trib, i could prolly get that working right for you :) hehe |
| 16:17.01 | treke | if it was ACPI based apm wouldnt work at all, and software suspending doesnt particularly work :p |
| 16:17.06 | mewyn | treke: no, it's prolly got a crappy, barely implemented APM bios. it's made for ACPI, as anything less than a year old |
| 16:17.17 | warmi | well, I don' really care anymore .... Windows works pretty well so I will stick to it on that machine |
| 16:17.20 | mewyn | treke: many machiens can support both acpi and apm |
| 16:17.25 | treke | acpi support in linux is downright crappy :p |
| 16:17.33 | mewyn | not in recent versions :P |
| 16:17.41 | kergoth | its still crappy |
| 16:17.42 | kergoth | just less |
| 16:17.45 | treke | It's still bad in recent versions |
| 16:18.26 | mewyn | works very well on my craptop |
| 16:19.37 | treke | and judging by the mailing list archives, that seems to be more or less the state of things all around |
| 16:22.02 | mewyn | works great on fujitsu and sony laptops too |
| 16:22.09 | mewyn | suspend doesn't work on the sony |
| 16:22.15 | mule | you can get battery life? you wizard! |
| 16:22.54 | treke | Wouldnt think suspend would work anywhere |
| 16:23.44 | mewyn | works on the fujitsu |
| 16:23.50 | mewyn | has worked for quite some time |
| 16:24.21 | treke | the software suspend stuff used to be rather dangerous :p |
| 16:26.55 | absentia | this is lame |
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| 16:45.27 | escobarf | hi, at home again! |
| 16:46.52 | escobarf | tell me about some advantages to buy 512 MB Secure Digital card, please. |
| 16:47.03 | mule | its big? |
| 16:47.16 | mule | you can use it in your Z |
| 16:47.17 | bryan | its the biggest sd card you can get |
| 16:47.41 | escobarf | no, only two 256 MB in one! |
| 16:48.28 | bryan | i got mine for 180$ on frys outpost |
| 16:48.49 | escobarf | and... how much money for one 512 SD card? $250? |
| 16:49.12 | escobarf | bryan: $180 for 512 MB SD? |
| 16:49.32 | escobarf | or $180 for 512 MB CF? |
| 16:50.54 | escobarf | now i use 256 MB SD ext2 Sandisk card but i like change for 512 SD card. |
| 16:51.18 | bryan | no |
| 16:51.24 | bryan | 180$ for a 512 sd card |
| 16:52.24 | escobarf | it's a great price. And do you know if frys can shipping to europe? |
| 16:52.32 | bryan | no clue |
| 16:52.41 | bryan | look on their site |
| 16:54.31 | escobarf | where? what's the address? |
| 16:55.05 | fliplap | no, frys will not ship to europe |
| 16:55.15 | fliplap | last i checked they didn't have have an online store |
| 16:55.46 | bryan | search on google man |
| 16:55.51 | fliplap | they're a badly managed, terribley staffed, usually over priced, brick and mortor joint |
| 16:56.06 | escobarf | and other alternative? other like $180 sounds great! |
| 16:56.17 | fliplap | they have a site, but no online store |
| 16:56.19 | bryan | no ones forcing you to buy from them |
| 16:56.23 | bryan | find a better deal if you can |
| 16:56.42 | bryan | fliplap, i bought mine off their site... so whats that? |
| 16:57.26 | fliplap | ah, they seem to have bought outpost.com |
| 16:58.17 | escobarf | look at this: http://www.meritline.com/51sedisdmeca.html |
| 16:58.26 | fliplap | tho they don't appear to be related to frys in anyway, except the frys logo they pasted on the side of the outpost logo |
| 16:59.15 | escobarf | the price it's too high. and meritline have good price everyday. |
| 16:59.39 | fliplap | you have to love thier website http://www.frys.com/ |
| 16:59.51 | fliplap | it looks like it was designed by an 8 year old |
| 17:00.04 | treke | Funny, so do their stores |
| 17:00.34 | fliplap | probably because they're staffed with people with the brain capacity of an 8 year old |
| 17:00.39 | escobarf | aha, but nobody talk about where i can find... |
| 17:01.16 | fliplap | escobarf: sorry, this isn't #discountSDcards |
| 17:01.22 | escobarf | and i don't like ofensive words and so... |
| 17:01.40 | fliplap | someone said an offensive word |
| 17:01.46 | bryan | escobarf ever heard of froogle? |
| 17:02.15 | fliplap | fuck the god damn fucked up fucksticks i hope they get fucked fcukwards |
| 17:02.24 | escobarf | at froogle haven't experiences only prices. |
| 17:02.44 | bryan | ok i dont understand you |
| 17:02.56 | escobarf | bryan: me? |
| 17:03.05 | bryan | yes |
| 17:03.11 | escobarf | why? |
| 17:03.20 | fliplap | he wants it cheap, shipped to europe, and have good customer feedback |
| 17:03.26 | fliplap | to have |
| 17:03.34 | escobarf | bingo |
| 17:04.02 | bryan | escobarf you should search around on the net |
| 17:04.16 | fliplap | yes, get your google on |
| 17:04.22 | bryan | froogle catalogs things on sale on the internet, its a good way to find something cheap |
| 17:04.29 | fliplap | you best bet would be to find who ships to europe first |
| 17:04.31 | bryan | or go to ebay, and buy it off there |
| 17:04.44 | bryan | or fatwallet.com |
| 17:05.02 | fliplap | or shell out they extra $20 or so and goto a brick and mortar joint |
| 17:05.02 | escobarf | and don't forget i pay alwais. but froogle it's good only for american people because the most shop don't shipping to europe, guys. |
| 17:05.40 | bryan | escobarf that has nothing to do with froogle, thats just cause no one ships to europe |
| 17:05.51 | bryan | froogle just catalogs online sales |
| 17:06.19 | bryan | i know you're not totally helpless... just go look around |
| 17:06.20 | escobarf | yeah, too far i think. and people there haven't confidence. |
| 17:08.19 | escobarf | thanks. i know. maybe i've good luck and find something right. |
| 17:09.05 | escobarf | but i havn't no one proble for talking about my experiences and help people |
| 17:09.07 | pHluid | Has anybody ever had the internal flash go bad? |
| 17:09.50 | bryan | pHluid did you flash it one to many times? :) |
| 17:10.06 | pHluid | Not yet :P |
| 17:10.12 | pHluid | Just wondering if it's happened to anyone yet. |
| 17:10.34 | bryan | i think there's something you can screw up if you mess up while flashing on the sharp rom |
| 17:10.39 | bryan | but OZ is totally safe |
| 17:10.46 | pHluid | Eh. |
| 17:10.49 | pHluid | It's not totally safe. |
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| 17:11.00 | pHluid | Flash can only be written to so many times before it starts to go bad |
| 17:11.08 | bryan | well all the info i know of i get from their site :P |
| 17:11.09 | pHluid | That's a lot, though. |
| 17:11.15 | bryan | its like ram, it goes bad |
| 17:11.49 | pHluid | bryan: That's why /dev is on a ramfs and such. Because devices permissions change so much, it'd be stupid to put them on internal flash where they'd be written to over and over and over again |
| 17:11.49 | pHluid | etc |
| 17:11.56 | BigCanOfTuna | I have a couple of quick questions...what script gets invoked when I come out of suspend mode (my routing table is always reseting), and where is the datafile for AddressBook? |
| 17:12.48 | bryan | the datafile for your address book should be in your /home somewhere |
| 17:13.04 | bryan | i have no idea what the post suspend script is |
| 17:15.09 | BigCanOfTuna | bryan: I can't find any data files in my /home/zaurus directory (except for my businesscard.vcf)...but I know I have other addresses around. |
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| 17:18.59 | bryan | odd, i'm not real sure... i dont use the addressbook on my z |
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| 17:21.54 | BigCanOfTuna | Has anyone put iptables/ipchains on there Zaurus? |
| 17:28.42 | MG_Tak | not sure why one would |
| 17:31.20 | BigCanOfTuna | MG_Tak: well, if your zaurus is in anyway exposed to the internet, a good firewall would be in order. |
| 17:31.55 | MG_Tak | I guess |
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| 19:10.32 | escobarf | kergoth: how are you in tx? |
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| 20:34.52 | kergoth | escobarf: hot. |
| 20:34.56 | kergoth | escobarf: not bad other than that |
| 20:35.32 | mule | kergoth: hi, where does buildroot put the stuff it builds like rootfs please? |
| 20:36.06 | mule | kergoth also: do you know what to do about the suspend problem on poodle? |
| 20:36.20 | kergoth | mule: rootfs isnt populated in a normal make |
| 20:36.24 | kergoth | mule: make builds packages |
| 20:36.37 | kergoth | mule: make image populates the rootfs and makes an image |
| 20:36.43 | kergoth | mule: cp def-configs/blah-opie_image output/.config |
| 20:36.46 | kergoth | mule: make image_oldconfig |
| 20:36.50 | kergoth | mule: (or image_menuconfig, etc) |
| 20:36.52 | kergoth | mule: then make image |
| 20:37.03 | kergoth | selecting packages for the image is independent of selecting items to build |
| 20:37.35 | mule | thanks...what about when it builds glibc? where does it put that? |
| 20:37.40 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:37.44 | kergoth | ls output/ipks/libc6*ipk |
| 20:37.51 | kergoth | i told you, it packages everything |
| 20:37.53 | kergoth | builds occur in biuld/ |
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| 20:37.56 | kergoth | build/ rather |
| 20:38.05 | BigCanOfTuna | I have set up TCP/IP over USB....I can access the Internet now, and I can map the zaurus to my laptop. However, now I can not sync properly with QTopia...When I sync from QTopia, the Zaurus looks like it is trying to establish communications, but it just keeps saying there was an error...I am using ROM3.1....any suggestions? |
| 20:38.37 | mule | well my output/ipks/ is empty |
| 20:38.46 | kergoth | forget to enable ipkg-utils? |
| 20:38.52 | kergoth | it cant build ipks without it :) |
| 20:39.03 | mule | even the -utils? |
| 20:39.10 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:39.13 | kergoth | -utils includes ipkg-build |
| 20:39.17 | kergoth | which is what you build ipks with |
| 20:40.03 | mule | ok...I'll play for a while...how can I add the sharp sd module into the kernel? |
| 20:41.13 | mule | or rootfs or whatever |
| 20:41.17 | kergoth | enable sdmmc |
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| 20:41.22 | kergoth | under kernel & modules in packages |
| 20:41.33 | mule | ok |
| 20:41.43 | kergoth | just look around in menuconfig |
| 20:41.45 | kergoth | you'll find what you need |
| 20:41.51 | kergoth | every oz package is there |
| 20:42.05 | mule | yeap...I'm getting there |
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| 20:42.30 | mule | ermm...the have to reset from suspend problem? |
| 20:42.31 | kergoth | its a moody system at times, but its far far better than the (manual)alternative |
| 20:42.39 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:43.26 | mule | when I suspend it wont restart without a reset |
| 20:43.39 | kergoth | thats fixed in current buildroot's apmd package |
| 20:43.43 | kergoth | enable it and upgrade to that ipk |
| 20:43.52 | mule | cool |
| 20:44.16 | mule | oz is pretty cool btw :P |
| 20:44.25 | kergoth | heheh, thanks |
| 20:44.45 | kergoth | i'm consistently amazed by how well this buildroot has scaled |
| 20:44.54 | mule | ermm, is it true that there is no persistent ram on the 5600? |
| 20:45.02 | kergoth | theres no ramdisk needed |
| 20:45.05 | kergoth | you have what, 64mb of flash? |
| 20:45.08 | kergoth | itd be pointless |
| 20:45.12 | kergoth | it onhly has 32mb of ram |
| 20:45.14 | kergoth | dont waste it |
| 20:45.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:45.29 | mule | but it doesnt use all 64 meg of flash |
| 20:45.39 | mule | I think its only using 32 |
| 20:45.50 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:45.53 | kergoth | no, it uses it all |
| 20:45.54 | mule | I am really confused about this |
| 20:45.57 | mule | how can I tell |
| 20:46.01 | kergoth | the first 32mb if readonly jffs2 for sharp |
| 20:46.09 | kergoth | the second is readwrite jffs2 mounted on /home |
| 20:46.13 | kergoth | OZ has both as read-write |
| 20:46.50 | mule | oz mounts the second half on /home? |
| 20:47.14 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:47.19 | kergoth | not on your image i'd say, i fixed that |
| 20:47.26 | kergoth | the wrong fstab was included before |
| 20:47.30 | kergoth | current oz-base fixes that |
| 20:48.22 | mule | can I check? because some guy was whining to me about it not using all the memory that the sharp rom uses |
| 20:48.36 | kergoth | mount /dev/mtdblock3 /home iirc |
| 20:49.14 | mule | ok, my fstab is old |
| 20:49.40 | mule | I am building from the latest sources now...so it should |
| 20:49.46 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:49.53 | kergoth | there are only 3 major outstanding bugs for poodle atm |
| 20:50.27 | mule | what are they? |
| 20:50.47 | kergoth | touch/keyclicks, the keyboard issues, and the pxa_bi usbd crash |
| 20:50.53 | kergoth | the latter two affect c7x0 as well |
| 20:51.06 | mule | touch keyclicks? |
| 20:51.17 | kergoth | touch clicks and key clicks |
| 20:51.25 | kergoth | they use the buzzer interface, but sharp changed things |
| 20:51.44 | mule | oh, the sounds |
| 20:51.46 | kergoth | yeah |
| 20:51.56 | kergoth | that one's pretty minor really |
| 20:51.58 | mule | and the keyboard issues? multiple letters? |
| 20:52.06 | kergoth | some keys arent mapped properly in qt |
| 20:52.11 | kergoth | and sharp's keymap sucks |
| 20:52.15 | kergoth | so two components of that one |
| 21:00.35 | mule | and the usbd? |
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| 21:06.36 | kergoth | mule: ? modprobing pxa_bi crashes & burns |
| 21:07.14 | mule | ew..but I never use that...all in all, no bugs |
| 21:07.18 | mule | :) |
| 21:07.44 | mule | gonna stay up late and build the whole thing |
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| 21:34.28 | escobarf | kergoth: sorry, i know something about tx weather. i've friends at college station (aggies) |
| 21:35.33 | escobarf | kergoth: can you give me the only ONE reason to change tkc rom for OZ? |
| 21:35.59 | kergoth | no |
| 21:36.01 | kergoth | I have far more than one. |
| 21:36.13 | mule | escobarf you are zaurus? |
| 21:36.37 | escobarf | kergoth: i don't need too much reasons. mule: what's? |
| 21:37.45 | escobarf | mule: you can look at dev forum. simply you write escobarf and you've some information about me. |
| 21:38.03 | mule | ermm....5600? |
| 21:38.39 | kergoth | escobarf: well, the fact that you dont need them doesnt change the fact that they exist. |
| 21:39.17 | escobarf | no, no, no. 5500. after time (i don't know today) c760. |
| 21:39.35 | mule | escobarf: definitely use oz |
| 21:40.17 | mule | 5500 support is all the way up the ass. tkc is terrible |
| 21:40.31 | escobarf | kergoth:oz because it's gpl? i use SuSE 8.2 i've some pain for change to debian. |
| 21:41.26 | escobarf | mule:i've no garantee about flashing oz in my Z. |
| 21:42.01 | mule | is it posible to change where buildroot gets its sources from?/ |
| 21:42.12 | mule | escobarf: guarantee? |
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| 21:45.02 | kergoth | you have no guarantee about flashing anything. |
| 21:45.14 | kergoth | mule: vi packages/blah/Makefile |
| 21:45.16 | escobarf | mule: i've the files (initrd and Zimage) and ready to play... |
| 21:45.33 | kergoth | mule: or, Vars.make has vars for a few of them that we change often. like a debian mirror, or the gnu mirror |
| 21:46.12 | escobarf | but some people at the dev forum talk about the problem to made the return way to tkc rom after bas oz flashing. |
| 21:46.31 | kergoth | what? |
| 21:46.32 | escobarf | sorry no 'bas' bad. |
| 21:46.39 | kergoth | then they're incompitent. |
| 21:46.42 | kergoth | ibot: spell incompetant |
| 21:46.43 | | possible spellings for incompetant: incompetent incompetents incompetency incompetent's incompetently incompetence |
| 21:46.48 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 21:46.48 | | kergoth: aw, gee |
| 21:47.15 | escobarf | well, if you're thinking about joke... |
| 21:47.25 | kergoth | escobarf: what? |
| 21:47.48 | kergoth | flashing OZ does nothing to the zaurus CF updater code, adn therefore could not interfere with your ability to flash something else instead later. |
| 21:47.58 | kergoth | if they're having problems, its due to user error. period. |
| 21:48.15 | escobarf | it's a very important thing.. OK. OK. many thanks. |
| 21:49.10 | escobarf | one last question. after flashing oz, i can install the opie gui? |
| 21:49.17 | kergoth | uh |
| 21:49.19 | kergoth | OZ includes Opie |
| 21:49.32 | kergoth | no need to install it. you already have it |
| 21:49.52 | escobarf | i don't know. thanks. |
| 21:50.28 | escobarf | hancom apps can work with oz? |
| 21:53.39 | mule | why is /dev/mtdblock3 mounted to /home? |
| 21:53.56 | mule | what is it for? and doesnt that make it useless to install apps on? |
| 21:54.12 | fdask | how so |
| 21:54.27 | kergoth | jesus |
| 21:54.29 | mule | do apps install in /home? |
| 21:54.31 | kergoth | why doesnt anyone ever listen to me |
| 21:54.36 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.43 | kergoth | liek i just fucking said what, 20 minutes ago? |
| 21:54.53 | kergoth | sharp uses that for everything, including installed apps |
| 21:54.54 | mule | hey I listened |
| 21:55.02 | kergoth | 16:55 < mule> why is /dev/mtdblock3 mounted to /home? |
| 21:55.03 | kergoth | 16:55 < mule> what is it for? and doesnt that make it useless to install apps |
| 21:55.03 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.06 | kergoth | its for user data |
| 21:55.15 | kergoth | sharp uses it for both user data and apps, isnce its first partition is readonly |
| 21:55.26 | kergoth | OZ doesnt have /home as an install destination for ipkg by default |
| 21:55.29 | kergoth | feel free to add one |
| 21:55.41 | mule | ok, that's what I am asking |
| 21:56.18 | mule | I might just mount it to /usr |
| 21:56.24 | escobarf | pardon: kergoth this language it's not convenient in tx! :-) |
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| 21:59.34 | MG_Tak | hi ChipX86 |
| 21:59.47 | ChipX86 | hi MG_Tak |
| 22:00.24 | kergoth | yo ChipX86 |
| 22:00.36 | ChipX86 | hey kergoth |
| 22:00.45 | treke | ChipX86: |
| 22:00.46 | treke | kergoth: |
| 22:00.52 | ChipX86 | hey treke |
| 22:00.53 | kergoth | hey treke |
| 22:01.03 | kergoth | treke: i'm on a buildroot->oe rampage tonight |
| 22:01.09 | treke | sweet |
| 22:01.19 | kergoth | busybox and ncurses are partially converted, sysvinit is next |
| 22:01.23 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 22:01.26 | kergoth | just getting everything buidling and doing a make install |
| 22:01.32 | kergoth | packaging issues and deviceisms will come later |
| 22:01.36 | treke | too bad I couldnt stay awake long enough to actually do anything |
| 22:01.36 | kergoth | treke: ah nice |
| 22:02.24 | treke | and I need to convert the gcrypt and gnutls stuff to oe |
| 22:02.26 | Cameron | hello, kergoth, treke, ChipX86 |
| 22:02.32 | treke | they were dead straightforward builds |
| 22:02.32 | ChipX86 | hi Cameron |
| 22:02.34 | kergoth | treke: we need a buildroot->oe transition guide |
| 22:02.41 | kergoth | treke: like the one i did the last time the format changed |
| 22:02.49 | mule | whats oe? |
| 22:02.50 | treke | yeah there are some things I'm just kindof winging |
| 22:02.58 | Cameron | kergoth: To install OpenZaurus on my C700, you'd recommend that I use your experimental Corgi (April) images along with what kernel? |
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| 22:03.03 | treke | kergoth: The problem I ran into was with the config.cache |
| 22:03.12 | treke | ChipX86: the experimental corgi kernel |
| 22:03.20 | treke | Cameron: |
| 22:03.30 | mule | yay it worked!! |
| 22:03.34 | kergoth | treke: what about config.cache? missing a var? |
| 22:03.40 | Cameron | lol, treke |
| 22:03.44 | kergoth | or did you try with oe before i pushed the cache handling? |
| 22:03.45 | Cameron | treke, but where is that? |
| 22:03.49 | Cameron | I see no such kernel |
| 22:03.53 | treke | kergoth: I think it was before the push |
| 22:03.55 | Cameron | (on the website) |
| 22:04.03 | kergoth | treke: ah, k |
| 22:04.05 | treke | kergoth: since zsh wouldnt build and you had supposedly fixed it |
| 22:04.13 | kergoth | zsh still fails, but at the end |
| 22:04.20 | kergoth | it fails to link due to ncurses not existing yet |
| 22:04.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:04.21 | treke | so I need to try again |
| 22:04.21 | cyn | treke: which isn't in the experimental directory |
| 22:04.23 | kergoth | just added that now |
| 22:04.26 | treke | cyn: fun :p |
| 22:04.28 | cyn | treke: as i mentioned earlier :) |
| 22:05.45 | Cameron | kergoth: now if only you could add a Corgi zImage.bin too? Or am I missing something? Is there some other place I'm supposed to go to get the correct kernel for a C700? |
| 22:06.03 | kergoth | Cameron: as if i have time. |
| 22:06.20 | _Psycho_ | cameron for the kernel hmm |
| 22:06.30 | _Psycho_ | you checked sukoshi one ? |
| 22:06.33 | Cameron | kergoth: but you must have the image on-hand, so shouldn't it be easy? |
| 22:06.38 | Cameron | (to upload) |
| 22:06.44 | cyn | lemme see if I have the april 26th image somewhere |
| 22:06.46 | Cameron | _Psycho_: nope, please point me to it :) |
| 22:06.48 | _Psycho_ | cameron he probably have to build it and its long |
| 22:06.50 | Cameron | thanks, cyn! |
| 22:06.54 | _Psycho_ | and for the image get one from a user |
| 22:06.54 | cyn | but it's old |
| 22:06.59 | _Psycho_ | like me :) but mine are quite made for me |
| 22:07.00 | cyn | and lotsa stuff has been fixed in buildroot |
| 22:07.03 | _Psycho_ | sec |
| 22:07.03 | cyn | if you can get it to work |
| 22:07.03 | kergoth | corgi kernel hasnt changed much |
| 22:07.05 | kergoth | rootfs has |
| 22:07.09 | cyn | ah |
| 22:07.25 | kergoth | it'll change quite a bit in a few weeks when i have time to merge them into the oz 2.4.21 tree |
| 22:07.38 | _Psycho_ | cameron the image still have minor bugs, so i never bother offering them |
| 22:07.47 | Cameron | hmm |
| 22:07.48 | kergoth | the keyboard one is the biggest |
| 22:07.59 | treke | what is this "time" thing you speak of? |
| 22:08.00 | kergoth | we really need to get the new kernel keysym->qtkeycode table in place |
| 22:08.01 | Cameron | so what is my best bet then as to a kernel for my Corgi + OZ? |
| 22:08.10 | treke | your best bet is to compile it yourself |
| 22:08.12 | kergoth | treke: its a myth |
| 22:08.23 | Cameron | treke: how difficult is that? |
| 22:08.25 | _Psycho_ | like the one with opie 1.0 still had some video problem and hmm forgot, on yeah gateway doesnt set for a unknown reason that i dont even want to bother to check :) |
| 22:08.50 | cyn | I don't think I kept it Cameron |
| 22:08.55 | _Psycho_ | sec cameron |
| 22:09.02 | cyn | coz I needed the side button |
| 22:09.05 | Cameron | bye, kergoth |
| 22:09.14 | Cameron | cyn: oh well, thanks for trying |
| 22:09.22 | Cameron | _Psycho_: ok |
| 22:09.33 | cyn | but you'll have to use onscreen keyboard for a buncha stuff |
| 22:09.55 | cyn | 'a buncha' is defined as anything fancy - normal typing works fine on the kb |
| 22:09.56 | Cameron | ick |
| 22:10.12 | cyn | I don't remember if ctrl-c worked (well, fn-c) |
| 22:10.44 | treke | probably not |
| 22:11.50 | _Psycho_ | gah cant find what i look for sec |
| 22:13.12 | Cameron | How many people are really on the OZ team besides kergoth? |
| 22:14.49 | MG_Tak | not me |
| 22:15.01 | ChipX86 | how many people *aren't* on the OZ team? |
| 22:16.30 | fdask | define being on the team |
| 22:18.24 | treke | define define |
| 22:18.53 | mule | well I'm just a newbie |
| 22:19.04 | mule | and :P to you all |
| 22:21.45 | _Psycho_ | ibot: bitkeeper |
| 22:21.45 | | i heard bitkeeper is at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ or hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ or like cvs and subversion, but its non-opensource.. but its really good, even linus uses it to develop the kernel! |
| 22:21.50 | _Psycho_ | ibot: oz buildroot |
| 22:21.51 | | rumour has it, oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 22:23.59 | mule | you can /msg ibot you know :) |
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| 22:30.50 | ChipX86 | hey kendrick |
| 22:31.02 | kendrick | heya |
| 22:38.23 | mule | hey tanq |
| 22:40.20 | escobarf | bye bye |
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