| 00:01.46 | W8TVI | what I mean is, I use it as if it was a laptop or something... not like a palm pda |
| 00:02.26 | W8TVI | seeing that it uses standard file systems and formats |
| 00:02.39 | cleverdra | That's what I meant, too. |
| 00:03.41 | oGMo | W8TVI: yeah, why bother syncing when you can just refer to the Z |
| 00:03.53 | oGMo | although i suppose if you've got groupware tools, that'd be nice, but |
| 00:04.16 | cleverdra | I just wish more of opie would wake up and realize that, gee golly, this thing has a GODDAMNED FILESYSTEM and become actually useful instead of scanning for 'file extensions' |
| 00:04.52 | cleverdra | opie-image is a good example of what I mean, here. |
| 00:06.05 | W8TVI | opie-image is sooooo slooow |
| 00:06.11 | W8TVI | I use mooview |
| 00:06.14 | W8TVI | very fast |
| 00:07.02 | W8TVI | oGMo: yeah, its very handy to have a wireless card... |
| 00:07.08 | oGMo | W8TVI: yeah |
| 00:07.16 | oGMo | W8TVI: i like tximage actually |
| 00:07.21 | oGMo | although it's not perfect |
| 00:07.28 | oGMo | someone should port imlib and feh :) |
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| 00:11.06 | cleverdra | hm, the Z just started ignoring me. |
| 00:12.48 | MG_Tak | cleverdra: maybe your Z's related to my ex. |
| 00:14.31 | ErikN | How do you turn on a zaurus isnt responding to the buttons? I found my zaurus off this afternoon and it has been sitting in its cradle - the charge light wasn't on... so I tapped the screen.. nothing... hit the cancel button nothing hit hte ok button - nothing... put it back in the cradle - now my charge light is on... I've pressed all the buttons ... I dont want to reset this thing - I have a lot of data on it... any thing I can do? |
| 00:15.47 | cleverdra | erik - if you think it's off, go ahead and flip the switch. What catastrophy do you expect? |
| 00:16.53 | ErikN | what switch? |
| 00:17.20 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.21 | ErikN | the battery switch? |
| 00:17.46 | W8TVI | ErikN, yep |
| 00:18.09 | cleverdra | the only switch on the device -- at leasrt if you're using an 5x00 model. How else did you imagine that you'd reset the device? |
| 00:18.13 | ErikN | I've tried that - even removed the battery |
| 00:18.36 | cleverdra | err.. why did you do *that*? |
| 00:19.00 | ErikN | I assume removing the battery termporarly wont lose data stored on the device |
| 00:19.23 | cleverdra | it's pointless, whatever damage it does or fails to do. |
| 00:19.56 | cleverdra | OK, you put the battery back in and set the switch to 'normal' and then tried to start the Z... and what? |
| 00:20.07 | ErikN | nothing- still dead |
| 00:20.30 | ErikN | gonna try without the cradle...?! |
| 00:20.50 | cleverdra | OK. plug the power directly into the Z. |
| 00:21.15 | ErikN | ... ok - power direct into Z with batter removed and reinserted it is booting now |
| 00:21.20 | ErikN | that is odd |
| 00:21.31 | ErikN | I've never had this thing just turn off before :-) I've had it up for over 6 months! |
| 00:22.33 | ErikN | :-) |
| 00:22.57 | cleverdra | sigh. Why is the battery removed? |
| 00:23.02 | ErikN | it isnt |
| 00:23.04 | MG_Tak | ErikN: well, Z has it by default, sort of. |
| 00:23.07 | ErikN | it was removed and reinserted |
| 00:23.11 | cleverdra | you crazy person. |
| 00:23.16 | MG_Tak | Who has a 5600? |
| 00:23.24 | cleverdra | not I. |
| 00:23.25 | ErikN | cleverdra: me? |
| 00:23.35 | cleverdra | erik - you. |
| 00:24.25 | ErikN | cleverdra: thx for the help :-) It is alive and kicking again |
| 00:26.23 | W8TVI | cleverdra: too bad the fix for mine wouln't be that simple |
| 00:27.42 | ErikN | is there a free sip client for zaurus? |
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| 00:32.55 | treke|home | no. it wont :) |
| 00:33.11 | MG_Tak | treke|home? |
| 00:33.17 | MG_Tak | oh |
| 00:33.19 | MG_Tak | well, yeah :) |
| 00:34.34 | VampireZIM | anyone know a way to encode all internet activity over an open network so that packet sniffing isnt possible? |
| 00:34.55 | MG_Tak | VampireZIM: VPN might help |
| 00:34.58 | VampireZIM | like maybe an encrypted server that all trafic passes through before getting out |
| 00:35.07 | cleverdra | tunneling through ssh, I suppose. |
| 00:35.30 | VampireZIM | i am getting service through my office building and dont want the admins reading all my shit |
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| 00:35.56 | cleverdra | vampire - uh, getting out? out where? I thoiught you were talking about encrypting local (possibly wireless) traffic |
| 00:36.10 | VampireZIM | its wireless also |
| 00:36.31 | VampireZIM | there used to be a thing called freedom net, i think they did something like that |
| 00:37.34 | cleverdra | vampire - tunnel cunnections through ssh to a server that they can't easily spy on and then go in the clear from there. Or get on freenet. Or find a public 'other end' for an ssh tunnel. |
| 00:38.09 | VampireZIM | hmm, ok, so ssh tunnel is what i need to get. |
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| 00:40.32 | W8TVI | hey offroadgeek |
| 00:40.52 | W8TVI | it figures... I start a ZUG and my Z dies |
| 00:41.13 | VampireZIM | heh, i started one and i guess i am the only Zaurus owner in Utah |
| 00:41.20 | offroadgeek | oh really... that sucks! |
| 00:41.22 | VampireZIM | fucking conservatives |
| 00:41.48 | W8TVI | killed by a $20 radio shack DC powersupply |
| 00:42.19 | treke|home | W8TVI: next time try the $15 radio shack DC power supply |
| 00:42.28 | W8TVI | well I'm bidding SL-5500 mainboard |
| 00:42.40 | offroadgeek | yeah... I've heard that you gotta be very careful with those |
| 00:42.55 | Keorke- | Hackers is so lame |
| 00:43.07 | treke|home | Keorke-: yes you are |
| 00:43.14 | Keorke- | the guy reads out an IP address as "212.555.42.40" |
| 00:43.16 | Keorke- | hahaha |
| 00:43.25 | Keorke- | treke|home: I never said I wasn't. Fool. :P |
| 00:43.34 | W8TVI | it blew the fuse and took out something on the Z |
| 00:43.46 | offroadgeek | brb |
| 00:43.48 | treke|home | eh. those ips are close enough. Its just a fricken movie |
| 00:44.15 | Keorke- | treke|home: blah |
| 00:44.24 | Keorke- | evil. |
| 00:44.49 | Keorke- | treke|home collaborates with retarded script writers |
| 00:44.52 | Keorke- | :D |
| 00:45.39 | treke|home | hell, if they pay me, I'll do whatever they want |
| 00:45.44 | cleverdra | hackers is slame in a great number of ways. The carlessness of the IP just underscores the essential bad fantasy of the entire movie. |
| 00:46.33 | W8TVI | but Matrix Reloaded is cool! |
| 00:46.41 | ErikN | Keorke-: admit it - you tried all the IPs they used in 'the net' didnt you? |
| 00:46.53 | Keorke- | ErikN: wtf has that got to do with anything? :D |
| 00:47.19 | W8TVI | I want a movie OS |
| 00:47.25 | cleverdra | the matrix is at least an honest fantasy, without pretensions of bearing on or being inspired by reality. |
| 00:47.25 | treke|home | The stupid movie didnt even have Teller in it |
| 00:47.58 | W8TVI | one where you type "download secret files" works |
| 00:48.14 | W8TVI | or you can "hack" an alien computer with a mac |
| 00:48.53 | cleverdra | I don't get the first reference. also, Independence Day was lame in many untechnological ways. |
| 00:49.32 | treke|home | most movies are lame technology wise, but you only notice it when everything else is equally bad |
| 00:49.34 | W8TVI | the net and other stupid "hacker" movies |
| 00:49.36 | cleverdra | like, err, the aliens. And their ships. And the behavior of every human. |
| 00:49.49 | ErikN | dont forget the rapid typing into a mac classic that results in a cad interface showing a sequence for some new metal |
| 00:50.02 | cleverdra | aiee |
| 00:50.19 | Keorke- | what is "the net" anyway? |
| 00:50.19 | Keorke- | :P |
| 00:50.31 | treke|home | ErikN: Yeah, but that wouldnt have happened if the stupid mac had voice recognition software installed :p |
| 00:50.51 | ErikN | treke|home: well- only if it responded to 'hello computer' |
| 00:51.00 | cleverdra | I also like the problems less directed my own heart, like police cameras with amazing resolution and people that 'clear' pictures up. |
| 00:51.55 | cleverdra | and,err, things that explode for no reason. |
| 00:52.08 | ErikN | my fav is office space where they are all using macs yet before they turn the machines off they all dump to a dos prompt |
| 00:52.10 | cleverdra | seen final destinations? |
| 00:52.58 | cleverdra | erik - hm, that's odd. |
| 00:52.59 | ErikN | or better yet- robocop with is command.com ready C:\> prompt in the visor... |
| 00:53.07 | W8TVI | heh |
| 00:53.25 | treke|home | the whole time I'm sitting there thinking "didn't someone already make this movie?" |
| 00:53.39 | Keorke- | ErikN: I love how in most movies associated with cracking in some way, the "hackers" all sit at a nice gui terminal with some pretty nifty GUI effects ;) |
| 00:54.08 | ErikN | yeah... and all the little tunes the machine makes when they do stuff...wow I want those tunes! |
| 00:54.13 | Keorke- | hehehe |
| 00:54.16 | ErikN | I need speakers first |
| 00:54.19 | ErikN | and a mouse |
| 00:54.26 | ErikN | heck - and a color monitor |
| 00:54.34 | ErikN | and something besides dialup :-) |
| 00:54.48 | treke|home | yeah. ErikN needs to join the rest of us in the 1980s |
| 00:54.56 | ErikN | and -- well... I just need something better than my c64 :-\ |
| 00:55.19 | ErikN | it is getting harder and harder to fit a tcp stack in 32k these days |
| 00:55.40 | cleverdra | I'm usually infuriated by any depiction of anyone using a computer -- becausing it's nothing to *look* at, and people always try to make it something to look at. |
| 00:56.32 | W8TVI | they cant even show windows! windows is a real os, why do they have to make up fake ones?! |
| 00:57.03 | treke|home | they often do use real ones |
| 00:57.19 | ErikN | the prob is no one wants to see a computer with a blue screen... |
| 00:57.28 | cleverdra | I see a lot of X, actually. |
| 00:57.37 | ErikN | the movie camera will try and show some actor overlay on the windows desktop then |
| 00:57.42 | cleverdra | what treke said. |
| 00:57.58 | ErikN | brb. |
| 00:58.09 | W8TVI | I saw them use windows on a low budget moive |
| 00:59.28 | cleverdra | I also tend to hate computer literate people in movies. They're often useless and boring for half the movie, until a muse hands them a complete technological solution. |
| 00:59.48 | treke|home | hmmm. |
| 00:59.50 | cleverdra | might as well have a psychic. |
| 00:59.53 | treke|home | sounds pretty accurate |
| 01:00.11 | cleverdra | treke =) it's still no fun to watch. |
| 01:00.38 | W8TVI | I like start trek |
| 01:01.18 | ErikN | I want a computer that tells me stuff in gene roddenberry's wife's voice |
| 01:01.22 | W8TVI | but who thinks after 400 years we will still have to use a stupid keyboard |
| 01:01.50 | ErikN | i dont think by keyboard will last 400 years |
| 01:02.26 | W8TVI | not even a tuch pad |
| 01:02.48 | ErikN | look how long the nintendo game pad lasted... that was not even a year |
| 01:03.03 | ErikN | or the light gun |
| 01:03.05 | ErikN | that stuff was cool |
| 01:03.07 | treke|home | look how long cars have used the stearing wheel |
| 01:03.10 | ErikN | but no one does that anymore |
| 01:03.27 | ErikN | look how long we've needed wheels on cars too |
| 01:03.30 | ErikN | long time |
| 01:03.36 | treke|home | yup. |
| 01:03.39 | W8TVI | it seems to me that the tuch pads on the Enterprize D... the tuch pannels should just be big tuch screens |
| 01:03.45 | ErikN | you'd think we could do some hover board like on back to the future by now |
| 01:04.12 | ErikN | i think we should have ships that float like in startrek now |
| 01:04.31 | treke|home | maybe at some point they will become touch screens, but they will still be keyboards |
| 01:04.36 | ErikN | true - we will need someway of pressing control alt delete to get windows back in orde |
| 01:04.39 | ErikN | order |
| 01:04.58 | W8TVI | the tuch pannels should not have static keys |
| 01:05.03 | W8TVI | shold be a menu |
| 01:05.07 | W8TVI | should be |
| 01:05.28 | treke|home | a menu isnt an effiecient way to enter text |
| 01:05.34 | ErikN | i think we should all wear head gear like that IBM commercial of the stock trader showed... were it picks up voice and eye movement |
| 01:05.45 | treke|home | it may not be a querty layout but there is going to be some form of keyboard like setup |
| 01:05.49 | W8TVI | but you dont need to enter text all the time |
| 01:06.08 | ErikN | we should bring back speak n spell... that thing had it down good |
| 01:06.10 | treke|home | W8TVI: So? It doesnt have to be visible all the time |
| 01:06.21 | treke|home | W8TVI: same as with opie today |
| 01:07.42 | treke|home | but until someone comes up with a thought controlled computer it will need some kind of input system similar to a keyboard |
| 01:07.44 | ErikN | how is opie pronouced? like the andy griffith show kid or ? |
| 01:07.50 | treke|home | yup |
| 01:08.00 | ErikN | cool |
| 01:08.14 | W8TVI | have the lcars type interface, the text entry "keyboard" shows up on the display when you have something that you have to enter text in... |
| 01:08.16 | ErikN | I just won a dollar.. :-) my coworker is an idiot |
| 01:08.30 | ErikN | what is lcars? |
| 01:08.48 | W8TVI | the display large display/tuch screen like in start trek |
| 01:08.59 | treke|home | yeah. Lets model our computers after something that was meant to look pretty on tv |
| 01:09.12 | W8TVI | its not the look |
| 01:09.16 | ErikN | I think if I wanna do that - I should get webtv |
| 01:09.18 | W8TVI | it the idea of the interface |
| 01:09.22 | ErikN | or my c64 |
| 01:09.28 | treke|home | the look is the only thing to it |
| 01:09.31 | MG_Tak | Is there any PIM manager for Z out there that has support for multiple calendars at once? |
| 01:09.37 | treke|home | MG_Tak: no |
| 01:10.16 | W8TVI | treke|home, you dont get it... |
| 01:10.52 | ErikN | oh - I cant wait for them to come up with a holodeck! |
| 01:10.52 | MG_Tak | treke|home: Sun ONE doesn't support categories, so far as I can remember, it uses different calendars, and I need to find a way to sync the two together. :/ |
| 01:11.09 | treke|home | MG_Tak: You sync them into categories |
| 01:11.16 | treke|home | Category one is Calender One |
| 01:11.24 | treke|home | Category two is Calender two |
| 01:11.49 | W8TVI | its the idea of a tuchscreen/interface that reconfigs its input to show the keys/wigits needed for the program |
| 01:11.50 | treke|home | ErikN: Scott Adams has already proved that to be a bad thing |
| 01:11.58 | treke|home | ErikN: It will be the final invention of the human race |
| 01:12.17 | MG_Tak | treke|home: sounds simple but I think there're some other issues to that |
| 01:12.22 | ErikN | treke|home: what about the transporter? |
| 01:12.24 | treke|home | MG_Tak: like? |
| 01:13.05 | W8TVI | and I'm not saying that it'd look just like the startrek interface |
| 01:13.08 | ErikN | treke|home: have you seen trekkies? the little short skit about star trek fans? |
| 01:13.08 | treke|home | ErikN: Would you trust the equivalent of a bus driver to dissasemble you and reassemble you across the room |
| 01:13.15 | treke|home | ErikN: nope |
| 01:13.19 | treke|home | not much of a star trek fan |
| 01:13.19 | MG_Tak | treke|home: like having to go through another software in the middle, like Outlook |
| 01:13.44 | treke|home | MG_Tak: there any way you can talk directly to the calender server? |
| 01:14.39 | W8TVI | brb |
| 01:15.28 | MG_Tak | treke|home: not without some reverse engineering of the protocol it uses, and aside from that probably not being legal and being SSL encrypted, I also don't quite have time to go to such lengths. :) |
| 01:16.25 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 01:16.32 | W8TVI | heh |
| 01:16.39 | treke|home | you'll probably need to do some scripting of outlook then |
| 01:17.27 | treke|home | pretty safe to say you are up shit creek without a paddle |
| 01:17.40 | MG_Tak | treke|home: that's what I'm afraid of |
| 01:17.58 | MG_Tak | unless Sun released the protocol somewhere. |
| 01:18.08 | MG_Tak | Sun ONE's mostly web-UI driven |
| 01:18.23 | treke|home | hmmm |
| 01:18.28 | treke|home | it's an ldap server |
| 01:18.54 | MG_Tak | I'm not sure if the synch software goes straight to the DB or does nasty nasty web work. I'm guessing the former |
| 01:18.54 | treke|home | oh wait |
| 01:19.09 | treke|home | there are multiple servers under the sun one name |
| 01:20.01 | treke|home | MG_Tak: looks like it can do syncml |
| 01:20.51 | treke|home | ah. if you buy a webicon product |
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| 01:22.19 | MG_Tak | that'd help |
| 01:22.46 | treke|home | it's all done over http |
| 01:22.54 | treke|home | so the entire thing is probably sslk |
| 01:24.49 | treke|home | http://docs.sun.com/db/doc/816-6416-10 |
| 01:27.47 | MG_Tak | So theoretically, I could just write my own client to synch. |
| 01:28.06 | treke|home | in theory |
| 01:28.38 | MG_Tak | could download the calendars as xml |
| 01:28.55 | MG_Tak | parse them and then send them to the Z |
| 01:30.40 | treke|home | yup |
| 01:30.51 | treke|home | MG_Tak: take a look at the qtopia desktop documentation |
| 01:31.03 | treke|home | they have some plugin abilities now |
| 01:31.26 | treke|home | it may be as easy as feeding it it dates and writing whatever it gives you to the server |
| 01:31.43 | MG_Tak | treke|home: possibly |
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| 03:02.15 | MG_Tak | treke|home: I definitely have to try, though |
| 03:07.40 | treke|home | its worth a shot |
| 03:08.06 | MG_Tak | treke|home: I haven't looked into this, is there a unix version of qtopia? |
| 03:08.28 | treke|home | ftp.trolltech.com |
| 03:08.49 | treke|home | though they probably dont support solaris |
| 03:08.51 | Gepeto | anybody in Canada knows where to buy a Zaurus ? |
| 03:08.57 | Gepeto | (or has one for sale hehe) |
| 03:09.05 | MG_Tak | treke|home: I run BSD at home |
| 03:09.15 | treke|home | ah. |
| 03:09.25 | treke|home | I know they have have a Linux and Mac OS build |
| 03:09.29 | treke|home | er windows |
| 03:09.33 | treke|home | not macos |
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| 06:26.39 | erics | hello |
| 06:27.39 | frankps | I saw from a mail on the tkc mailinglist that there were to come some new devices running Qtopia next month, anyone that knows something more about it? |
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| 07:53.32 | _FanLinux | Vrouuuummmmm ! ;) |
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| 08:46.52 | _FanLinux | Zaurus is the BESSSST !!! |
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| 08:48.25 | TCMAN | hi |
| 08:48.49 | yeiazel | _FanLinux: zaurus sucks |
| 08:49.06 | _FanLinux | !!!!§§§!!!! |
| 08:49.18 | _FanLinux | Zaurus Kill the pocket pc's!! |
| 08:49.29 | yeiazel | zaurus sucks |
| 08:49.32 | yeiazel | crappy screen |
| 08:49.37 | yeiazel | slow processor |
| 08:49.50 | yeiazel | fragile machine |
| 08:50.43 | TCMAN | its unusable as pda but its a cool toy |
| 08:51.03 | yeiazel | its unusable, that's all |
| 08:51.16 | yeiazel | doesn't even make coffee |
| 08:51.25 | VampireZIM | lol, get a C700 |
| 08:51.34 | VampireZIM | has the best screen on a PDA you can get |
| 08:51.35 | TCMAN | yeiazel: well, it is a geek toy, especially with oz |
| 08:51.46 | yeiazel | TCMAN: OZ sucks more |
| 08:51.59 | yeiazel | VampireZIM: with its pxa-250-crappy-bugged-slow processeur ? |
| 08:52.03 | TCMAN | casio e-1xx have great screen |
| 08:52.08 | VampireZIM | ok, C760 |
| 08:52.22 | TCMAN | there are pocketpcs with pxa250 too |
| 08:52.39 | yeiazel | did I say that PPCs don't suck ? |
| 08:53.07 | TCMAN | yeiazel: so you just say that z sucks (less) |
| 08:53.25 | TCMAN | or more ? |
| 08:54.15 | yeiazel | should I remind that I'm a founder member of ZaurusFr and that I've made a conf about the Z at the LSM ? :p |
| 08:54.29 | TCMAN | yeiazel: well, you still have a point |
| 08:54.51 | TCMAN | yeiazel: tell me please how can i sync my oz with outlook ? |
| 08:54.57 | VampireZIM | heh, i dont even have a Zaurus anymore, why am i here? |
| 08:55.06 | yeiazel | TCMAN: qtopia desktop |
| 08:55.21 | yeiazel | TCMAN: but I've never done it, I don't use MS Windows |
| 08:55.41 | yeiazel | VampireZIM: just to answer trolls :) |
| 08:55.57 | TCMAN | yeiazel: i tried, qtopia desktop is a PIM by itself, i havent seen how can i sync with outlook there |
| 08:56.13 | yeiazel | I'm sure it's the tool; but I've never used it |
| 08:56.39 | TCMAN | yeiazel: so far the only use i got from zaurus is showing it off to ppl and saying "look, its shiny and it runs linux" :) |
| 08:56.59 | yeiazel | TCMAN: I use it as a portable ogg player |
| 08:57.08 | TCMAN | yeiazel: well, screw that, i am getting palm watch :) |
| 08:57.09 | VampireZIM | http://www.clie-online.sony.net/prod_info/peg-ux50/index.html |
| 08:57.13 | VampireZIM | that just keeps looking better |
| 08:57.17 | VampireZIM | even though i hate palm |
| 08:57.39 | TCMAN | i dont always have z on me |
| 08:57.46 | yeiazel | VampireZIM: yeah, it's just a copy of the c7x0s... |
| 08:57.56 | TCMAN | and the watch will wake me up and remind about all my meetings and phone numbers |
| 08:58.01 | VampireZIM | yea, except it has BT built in |
| 08:58.10 | yeiazel | yes |
| 08:58.19 | yeiazel | VampireZIM: we here fear it |
| 08:58.20 | VampireZIM | TCMAN: it reminds you that you have phone numbers? |
| 08:58.36 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: hehe :) |
| 08:58.41 | VampireZIM | :) |
| 08:58.47 | VampireZIM | i want the palm watch also |
| 08:58.51 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: its like old palm, 33mhz, 2mb ram, 2mb flash |
| 08:59.00 | TCMAN | i ordered it 3 months ago |
| 08:59.07 | VampireZIM | but i have visions of me at age 90, going to Amazon.com and seeing that its delayed another month |
| 08:59.14 | TCMAN | and stupid fossil and amazon keep screwing up |
| 08:59.40 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: i got an email from them that they are going to send preorder on august 30th |
| 08:59.50 | VampireZIM | cool |
| 09:00.03 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: and general availability is going to be sep 30th |
| 09:00.13 | VampireZIM | hmm |
| 09:00.25 | VampireZIM | i wont get one till i am sure Samsung Cellphone watch isnt coming out |
| 09:00.42 | VampireZIM | they have been promising that thing for 5 fucking years now |
| 09:00.49 | TCMAN | hehe |
| 09:00.51 | VampireZIM | maybe it will actually make it out this year |
| 09:01.09 | TCMAN | i dont think cellphone watch will have decent battery life and its going yo be awkward to use |
| 09:01.15 | VampireZIM | i seriously played with it at Comdex 5 years ago, worked great, i even called people on it |
| 09:01.16 | TCMAN | unless you have bt headset |
| 09:01.33 | TCMAN | and then you can put your phone into your ass and it will be invisible anyway :) |
| 09:01.49 | VampireZIM | hehe |
| 09:02.10 | VampireZIM | a bluetooth watch would be best, put all the phone functions on it and make it use the cellphone through BT |
| 09:02.23 | VampireZIM | then if the batt goes dead, you still have your cell |
| 09:03.02 | TCMAN | or just all your gadgets with bt |
| 09:03.03 | VampireZIM | the samsung cellphone watch has great speech rec |
| 09:03.14 | TCMAN | you would walk in your personal bt cloud :) |
| 09:03.27 | VampireZIM | i was on a noisy convention floor and it got every word i said |
| 09:04.26 | VampireZIM | i read a phone number as fast as i could, didnt miss a number |
| 09:04.50 | TCMAN | pretty good |
| 09:05.10 | VampireZIM | it was nice back then, the new one has a color screen and is GPRS |
| 09:05.13 | VampireZIM | much better |
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| 09:05.30 | VampireZIM | then you can cary your phone anyway, when the watch dies, pull the SIM out and put it in your other phone |
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| 09:35.19 | VampireZIM | http://www.sony.jp/CLIE/world/ux50movie.html |
| 09:36.03 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: did you order it ? |
| 09:36.11 | VampireZIM | no |
| 09:36.19 | VampireZIM | but i am going to have to get one next month |
| 09:36.28 | VampireZIM | i want to play with it at Circuit City first |
| 09:36.48 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: is it available in stores now ? |
| 09:36.54 | VampireZIM | might even buy it there so i can return it if i cant live with PALM OS |
| 09:37.00 | VampireZIM | no, Sept 12th |
| 09:37.19 | TCMAN | ahh |
| 09:37.37 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: palmos shouldnt be that bad, and there is zillion apps for palmos |
| 09:37.50 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: most of them black and white though |
| 09:37.54 | VampireZIM | yea, a zillion crappy low res apps |
| 09:38.05 | VampireZIM | its its below 320X320, i wont touch it |
| 09:38.40 | TCMAN | thats the prob it seems, for too long palm was 160x160 |
| 09:39.02 | VampireZIM | yea, at least they moved forward, unlike shitty pocketpc |
| 09:39.40 | TCMAN | yes, but its mostly sony |
| 09:39.53 | VampireZIM | heh, the keyboard is back lit, perfect for the CLUB. :) |
| 09:40.42 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: great |
| 09:41.20 | VampireZIM | hehe, that UX50 has everything i want, but i hate POS. i wish Sony would release there own version of linux |
| 09:42.09 | VampireZIM | have you seen Dead Like Me, the TV show? |
| 09:44.26 | TCMAN | well, not quite true, i have 5 inch lcd tv for my spectrum and atari :) |
| 09:45.06 | VampireZIM | i dont have a tv, but i cant live with out it |
| 09:45.12 | VampireZIM | i watch tv in a window |
| 09:45.29 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: my tv card is in my closet |
| 09:45.33 | VampireZIM | i am downloading Dead Like Me, i have never seen it, i hope its good |
| 09:45.48 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: i moved 1.5 years ago and i didnt order cable in new place |
| 09:45.57 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: i got netflix subscription |
| 09:46.07 | VampireZIM | lol, i have never been without cable or dish in my entire life |
| 09:46.09 | VampireZIM | i need it to live |
| 09:46.35 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: before i had lousy cable and replaytv box |
| 09:46.57 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: but i quit sonicblue/replaytv and returned the box and moved :) |
| 09:47.25 | VampireZIM | i have a DishPlayer with 60GB HD, i need to get the dish installed at my warehouse, my stupid friend was supposed to do it Saturday |
| 09:47.44 | VampireZIM | sonicblue? |
| 09:48.03 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: what about sonicblue ? |
| 09:48.09 | VampireZIM | wtf is it? |
| 09:49.32 | TCMAN | diamond+s3=sonicblue, and then +govideo+replaytv+empeg ----> bust |
| 09:50.06 | VampireZIM | are you speaking english? |
| 09:50.27 | TCMAN | yes, a company named diamond multimedia merged with S3 |
| 09:50.38 | TCMAN | they sold off graphics chip divisin to via |
| 09:50.47 | TCMAN | and then went on acquisition spree |
| 09:51.04 | TCMAN | bought go video, replay tv, empeg, and couple other electronics companies |
| 09:51.18 | VampireZIM | exciting |
| 09:51.24 | TCMAN | and then died and sold off rio and replay tv divisions to denon and marantz |
| 09:51.26 | VampireZIM | no go buy a UX50 |
| 09:51.28 | VampireZIM | :) |
| 09:52.04 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: you know about replay tv and rio mp3 players, dont you ? |
| 09:52.14 | VampireZIM | uh huh |
| 09:52.36 | TCMAN | sonicblue was making them |
| 10:07.08 | VampireZIM | http://www.tvtorrents.com/index.jsp |
| 10:07.14 | VampireZIM | does that address work? |
| 10:07.46 | VampireZIM | now its up |
| 10:07.48 | VampireZIM | stupid site |
| 10:08.41 | TCMAN | it works |
| 10:11.00 | VampireZIM | heh, CHICAGO sucked so bad |
| 10:11.09 | TCMAN | chicago the movie ? |
| 10:11.13 | VampireZIM | yea |
| 10:11.28 | VampireZIM | i love the city, they city should sue the movie for defamation |
| 10:11.30 | TCMAN | i watched it with my wife so i couldnt criticize |
| 10:11.38 | TCMAN | too many songs :) |
| 10:12.08 | VampireZIM | i watched it at a BAR/THEATER, i was DRUNK and it couldnt entertain me and it doesnt take much to entertain me when i am drunk |
| 10:12.18 | TCMAN | at least both chicks are quite hot |
| 10:12.41 | VampireZIM | i like Renee zelwegar, thats why i went to see it in the first place |
| 10:15.50 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: have you seen sister betty ? |
| 10:15.57 | VampireZIM | nope |
| 10:16.18 | TCMAN | really funny and she fits her role pretty well |
| 10:17.46 | subdue | it's a musical, what do you expect? |
| 10:18.08 | TCMAN | subdue: i hate musicals and i am married :) |
| 10:19.09 | subdue | perhaps you should watch phantom of the opera first |
| 10:19.46 | TCMAN | i may have seen it |
| 10:20.10 | subdue | few dont like phantom |
| 10:20.18 | TCMAN | but i hate musicals, i hate fred astaire crap movies, i hate operas, i hate operettes |
| 10:20.27 | TCMAN | i hate disney movies where they sing |
| 10:20.35 | subdue | I think you should see live musicals first |
| 10:20.47 | subdue | that may give you a different perspective |
| 10:20.47 | TCMAN | that would be even worse |
| 10:20.56 | TCMAN | btw i hate theater and concerts too :) |
| 10:21.47 | subdue | you probably werent in band or orchestra when you grew up |
| 10:21.54 | TCMAN | when i was a kid and we went with class to theater i shot actors from my tiny sling |
| 10:22.00 | TCMAN | that was pretty funny :) |
| 10:22.42 | TCMAN | no i werent in the band and i always got lowest positive mark for my music classes |
| 10:22.54 | VampireZIM | i cant believe they are advertising a movie that doesnt come out for 1.5 years |
| 10:23.06 | VampireZIM | like i am going to remember the preview by then |
| 10:23.13 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: what movie ? |
| 10:23.19 | VampireZIM | The Incredibles |
| 10:23.24 | subdue | it's as bad as scifi advertising battlestar galactica when it's not due till december |
| 10:23.29 | VampireZIM | almost 1.5, NOVEMBER 5th 2004 |
| 10:24.25 | VampireZIM | getting some good speed on this bittorrent, 180kB/s |
| 10:25.38 | TCMAN | hehe |
| 10:25.50 | TCMAN | maybe they have to advertise it a lot :) |
| 10:26.07 | TCMAN | maybe they already know its going to suck |
| 10:26.34 | VampireZIM | the comercial didnt even show anything, a character trying to get his belt on, oh yea, made me want to see it! |
| 10:26.35 | VampireZIM | NOT |
| 10:27.48 | TCMAN | hehe |
| 10:27.57 | TCMAN | maybe they dont have anything more so far :) |
| 10:28.47 | TCMAN | "on novermber 5th 2004 you'll see this guy getting his belt on! give us your money!" |
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| 10:29.14 | VampireZIM | i thought Lizzy McGuire looked good, but it was pretty lame too |
| 10:32.05 | VampireZIM | i downloaded True Romance, i have had it on VHS for years, its even better on DVD RIP, even though it seems i am the only person on the planet who has seen it, must be the lack of big actors, small names like, Christian Slater, Patricia Arquette, Dennis Hopper, Val Kilmer, Gary Oldman, Brad Pitt, and Christopher Walken, i am surprised it made it to the theater |
| 10:34.32 | imk | i think you care too much |
| 10:34.43 | VampireZIM | lol |
| 10:34.47 | VampireZIM | what is that supposed to mean? |
| 10:35.44 | imk | i think you care too much |
| 10:35.54 | VampireZIM | what is that supposed to mean? |
| 10:35.59 | imk | i think you care too much |
| 10:36.06 | VampireZIM | i think your a dipshit |
| 10:36.12 | imk | you're |
| 10:36.31 | VampireZIM | ok, i think you are a english teaching dip shit |
| 10:36.35 | imk | an |
| 10:36.41 | VampireZIM | lol |
| 10:36.47 | VampireZIM | so i cant type, whats your fucking point |
| 10:36.50 | VampireZIM | ? |
| 10:37.00 | imk | i told you already :( |
| 10:37.03 | imk | i think you care too much |
| 10:37.06 | VampireZIM | see! you are putting people to sleep |
| 10:37.26 | ChipX86 | (oops) |
| 10:37.27 | imk | it's as plain as english as it will get |
| 10:37.29 | mithro | anyone have a C700 with sharp rom? |
| 10:37.30 | imk | VampireZIM: owned |
| 10:37.32 | imk | :D |
| 10:37.32 | ChipX86 | that wasn't meant for this network yet |
| 10:37.44 | VampireZIM | mithro: i used to have one |
| 10:38.16 | imk | VampireZIM: all i'm saying is i don't know actors or actresses... i know whether the actresses are hot or not... but i couldnt tell you their name... i couldnt tell you what a movie was about or why i liked it... but i can tell you that i liked it |
| 10:38.19 | VampireZIM | sorry |
| 10:38.33 | imk | people say "i think the movie suck for these reason..." and i just sit there and think "i liked it" |
| 10:38.37 | mithro | ChipX86: you about? |
| 10:39.14 | ChipX86 | kinda |
| 10:39.17 | ChipX86 | going to bed though |
| 10:39.22 | ChipX86 | I have an appointment in the morning, and it's almost morning |
| 10:39.39 | mithro | ahh okay |
| 10:39.41 | VampireZIM | the more they show Freddy vs Jason, the more i dont want to see it |
| 10:39.51 | mithro | just talking about qpe-gaim in #openembedded |
| 10:40.15 | imk | VampireZIM: i've never seen an ad for it yet... i think it's because i don't waste my time in front of the tv :) |
| 10:40.42 | VampireZIM | imk: well good for you, you are a better man |
| 10:40.44 | imk | i don't think i've watched tv in at least 8-12 months |
| 10:40.51 | VampireZIM | psycho |
| 10:41.06 | imk | but for some unknown reason, i have about 350gb of movies on my computer |
| 10:41.13 | VampireZIM | you just around reading grammer books? |
| 10:41.19 | imk | grammar |
| 10:41.32 | VampireZIM | wow, lucky guess |
| 10:41.33 | imk | and that would be spelling books, not grammar |
| 10:41.34 | imk | :) |
| 10:41.44 | VampireZIM | hehe |
| 10:41.50 | VampireZIM | what Z do you have? |
| 10:41.53 | imk | 5500 |
| 10:41.58 | VampireZIM | did i spell Z right? |
| 10:42.12 | imk | that's a tough one |
| 10:42.21 | VampireZIM | better look it up |
| 10:42.46 | imk | wow |
| 10:43.01 | imk | i just learned that the british call z "zed" rather than our "zee" |
| 10:43.14 | VampireZIM | freaks |
| 10:44.23 | VampireZIM | lol, an actress is telling how she got the part on Freddy vs Jason, its because she can scream the longest. thats some quality casting |
| 10:45.03 | imk | in reality she only got the part because they liked her boobs |
| 10:45.14 | VampireZIM | hehe |
| 10:45.17 | VampireZIM | probably |
| 10:46.11 | imk | that's how i would pick them, too... if carefully setup right... you'll be too focused on her boobs to realize she's even acting |
| 10:46.55 | VampireZIM | you should make movies, they would be considered porn, but at least the credits would be spelled correctly |
| 10:47.39 | imk | well, no... |
| 10:47.46 | imk | i prefer asian women... |
| 10:47.58 | imk | that would be a nightmare in spelling and grammar |
| 10:47.59 | VampireZIM | heh |
| 10:48.17 | VampireZIM | my daughters middle name is japanese, its not bad |
| 10:48.54 | imk | well i didn't mean their names... more about their acting |
| 10:49.21 | VampireZIM | credits are a list of names |
| 10:49.36 | imk | but a correct list of credits won't be any good without correct acting |
| 10:50.21 | VampireZIM | 9 minutes i will be watching Dead Like Me, sounds like a cool show |
| 10:50.56 | imk | its a movie or show? |
| 10:51.06 | VampireZIM | series on Showtime |
| 10:51.20 | imk | the only series i liked was band of brothers |
| 10:51.21 | VampireZIM | i am getting EP8 right now |
| 10:51.29 | VampireZIM | havent seen it |
| 10:51.42 | imk | http://inexistent.ath.cx:8182/movielist.php |
| 10:51.47 | VampireZIM | my favorite series is VOYAGER or X-FILES |
| 10:51.50 | imk | haven't updated it in awhile since i'm in mid-process of moving |
| 10:51.56 | imk | oh, i watched x-files too |
| 10:52.12 | VampireZIM | heh, i am moving tomorrow |
| 10:52.22 | VampireZIM | well, begining my move |
| 10:53.17 | TCMAN | good night guys |
| 10:53.21 | VampireZIM | nite |
| 10:53.30 | VampireZIM | wow, 5 am already, fuck |
| 10:53.37 | imk | Mon Aug 18 03:53:31 PDT 2003 |
| 10:54.12 | VampireZIM | i have had insomnia lately, good thing i dont have to work |
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| 10:54.54 | imk | i just never sleep |
| 10:54.59 | ChipX86|Sleep | I do. |
| 10:55.29 | imk | night, chip |
| 10:55.49 | VampireZIM | i am starting to get a little tired |
| 10:56.09 | imk | i think i am, too... i read that sentence as "i am starting to get a little hard" |
| 10:56.27 | VampireZIM | you are a sick man |
| 10:56.39 | imk | normally when i mis-read stuff, it's a sign i need sleep... and that my mind is resorting back to basic instincts of all man... and it's not food |
| 10:58.23 | imk | well... i am a man |
| 10:58.26 | imk | so \o/ |
| 10:59.00 | imk | it's always fun at the... \o/ ^o^ \o_ /o\ |
| 11:00.34 | imk | and on that note... i think i'm gonna watch a movie i have... because i've only watched a few out of that whole list... |
| 11:00.36 | VampireZIM | this show seems a little cheesy so far |
| 11:00.37 | imk | bbl |
| 11:00.43 | VampireZIM | cya |
| 11:07.12 | elucidia | alright, now that it's 4AM here... have any of you messed with japanese input on the 5500? |
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| 11:10.33 | elucidia | nobody? well darn.... later folks |
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| 12:21.17 | nuklearwanze | has anyone experience with scummvm on the zaurus? |
| 12:30.57 | yeiazel | yes |
| 12:39.13 | Keorke`ZZzz | yes |
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| 14:32.56 | kyngel | Morning, you guys. |
| 14:33.56 | rev|lib | hey |
| 14:35.38 | MG_Tak | morning kyngel |
| 14:40.29 | rev|lib | yarr |
| 14:43.32 | VampireZIM | wow, you guys really like morning, i hate morning, fuck morning |
| 14:44.23 | rev|lib | haha |
| 14:44.24 | rev|lib | me too |
| 14:44.35 | rev|lib | i've been coming into work lately at 11 am |
| 14:44.44 | rev|lib | and am trying to change that a little |
| 14:44.44 | rev|lib | heh |
| 14:44.46 | VampireZIM | the worst part is that i havent gone to bed yet |
| 14:44.53 | phoen][x | before you lost your job? :) |
| 14:46.03 | rev|lib | heh |
| 14:46.12 | rev|lib | phoen][x: hah, no... just sucks getting home so late |
| 14:46.24 | rev|lib | so i came in at 9 instead |
| 14:46.29 | rev|lib | which is eearly ;P |
| 14:48.05 | fliplap | bah, this sucks |
| 14:48.09 | fliplap | i can't get gas |
| 14:48.19 | fliplap | everywhere in arizona is out |
| 14:49.21 | MG_Tak | fliplap: that does suck |
| 14:49.45 | phoen][x | rev|lib: i usually started around 6:45a |
| 14:49.48 | fliplap | nod, there's maybe 10 stations that have gas and there's a 1/2 mile line |
| 14:50.09 | rev|lib | out of gas? |
| 14:50.13 | fliplap | 10 stations in a city 50 miles wide |
| 14:50.24 | rev|lib | damn |
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| 14:50.53 | fliplap | yup, i guess a pipe broken between phoenix and the refinery |
| 14:51.02 | fliplap | they're saying it could be like this for weeks |
| 14:51.13 | rev|lib | ah damn |
| 14:51.16 | phoen][x | fliplap: what do i have to do with this? :) |
| 14:51.29 | fliplap | heh |
| 14:57.52 | kyngel | Heh, I used to start my old job at 7 AM, with a 45 minute commute each way. |
| 14:59.03 | phoen][x | also had something around 45mins |
| 14:59.06 | rev|lib | my dad had a gig like that |
| 14:59.25 | phoen][x | it was fun though |
| 14:59.43 | MG_Tak | My dad had a job starting at 8a with a 3 hour commute |
| 14:59.49 | rev|lib | christ |
| 14:59.54 | rev|lib | that would suck a goat's ass |
| 15:00.02 | MG_Tak | except he only had to go once or twice a week so it's not exactly a 'commute' |
| 15:00.13 | MG_Tak | more like a oft-recurring business trip, I guess |
| 15:00.18 | rev|lib | mmhmm |
| 15:00.31 | phoen][x | hehe |
| 15:00.39 | rev|lib | i've known profs who teach at my school and live in an area 3 hours away |
| 15:00.45 | rev|lib | (in the bigger city) |
| 15:01.07 | rev|lib | and drive to and fro minneapolis <-> here 2-3-4 times a week |
| 15:01.48 | phoen][x | thats fun |
| 15:01.55 | rev|lib | way |
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| 15:21.43 | fliplap | bah! there's 1 gas station by me that has gas, and all they've got left is 100 octane race gas for $4.00 a gallon |
| 15:22.38 | rev|lib | haha |
| 15:22.39 | rev|lib | wow |
| 15:22.49 | rev|lib | have the people who had gas been jacking it up? |
| 15:22.54 | fliplap | no |
| 15:22.58 | fliplap | its 100 octane |
| 15:23.05 | fliplap | its always $4 a gallon |
| 15:23.18 | rev|lib | i know |
| 15:23.22 | rev|lib | i'm askling about regular gas |
| 15:23.41 | fliplap | oh, yeah, its about $1.89 |
| 15:24.20 | blitzrage | does anyone here like theKompany.rom ? |
| 15:24.30 | blitzrage | specifically... like it more than OZ |
| 15:24.36 | rev|lib | i've never used it, but i've a c760 |
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| 16:18.03 | MG_Tak | Deer. |
| 16:18.04 | MG_Tak | hee |
| 16:19.05 | dheckaman | haha |
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| 16:21.06 | dheckaman | :) |
| 16:21.17 | MG_Tak | :) |
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| 16:35.49 | kyngel | blitzrage: I use Tkc, like it a lot. |
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| 16:37.03 | sashz | hi |
| 16:38.21 | kyngel | Privet, sashz. |
| 16:42.45 | sashz | privet kyngel |
| 16:43.00 | dheckaman | moin! |
| 16:43.05 | sashz | just installed bt pretec cf card in zaurus. |
| 16:43.28 | sashz | it slooow, nic ethernet working quickly |
| 16:45.41 | sashz | where kergoth? |
| 16:45.49 | dheckaman | spain |
| 16:46.00 | dheckaman | err, texas I think |
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| 16:57.18 | dheckaman | sugar! |
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| 17:18.35 | dheckaman | sco! ack, bad! run! |
| 17:19.03 | treke | ... |
| 17:19.16 | escobarf | hi! |
| 17:19.42 | kyngel | What're they up to now, dheckaman? |
| 17:20.04 | dheckaman | eSCObarf |
| 17:20.10 | dheckaman | :) |
| 17:20.15 | kyngel | *groan* |
| 17:20.28 | escobarf | debian & zaurus, some news about it? |
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| 17:28.08 | kyngel | Hmm... anyone used one of those Zaurus USB host cards? |
| 17:28.23 | kyngel | escobarf: There's a new fbvnc for it, if that counts. |
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| 17:36.28 | KhensU | hmm, tkc might sell the c7[5|6]0 |
| 17:36.56 | kyngel | That'd be pretty nifty. |
| 17:37.51 | escobarf | tkc? what's source of that new? |
| 17:40.07 | KhensU | mailling list |
| 17:40.33 | escobarf | i can't find at tkc web! |
| 17:42.15 | escobarf | i have the today prices from brando, conics and dynamism (japan to europe). do you know the tkc prices for c750? |
| 17:42.54 | KhensU | they aren't selling them yet and might not |
| 17:43.54 | escobarf | i can't understand. sell or not? |
| 17:44.23 | kyngel | They're considering whether to sell them or not. |
| 17:45.09 | escobarf | o.k. today not maybe tomorrow... |
| 17:45.32 | treke | escobarf: This sort of thing takes more than a day to work out |
| 17:45.46 | treke | escobarf: think "not today, maybe next month" |
| 17:46.06 | kyngel | I'm thinking I'll start saving now and buy one next summer. :) |
| 17:47.03 | escobarf | i know. but if this people thinking about it too much time everybody can buy at japan or hk... |
| 17:47.40 | escobarf | and sharp can make it c850 :-) |
| 17:47.52 | treke | escobarf: it takes time to find a supplier, buy them, ship them. |
| 17:48.52 | kyngel | I'm just waiting to hear who's the first to make a PDA on that OpenPDA architecture. |
| 17:49.05 | escobarf | o.k. |
| 17:49.48 | escobarf | and my new Z sleep at costum office for three days. |
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| 17:52.00 | escobarf | well, people at tkc made a good work. and the most are from eastern europe, it's like a miracle because there have big problems. |
| 17:54.57 | kyngel | Geeks will be geeks, no matter what the circumstances. :) |
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| 17:59.56 | escobarf | (treke) what kind of SD card you use in your Z? |
| 18:02.51 | treke | I dont |
| 18:03.14 | escobarf | it's possible? |
| 18:04.39 | treke | yes |
| 18:04.54 | escobarf | i can't get no, satisfaction... bye, bye |
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| 18:24.18 | treke | fliplap: ping |
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| 18:39.42 | MG_Tak | treke: hey |
| 18:39.59 | treke | MG_Tak: hey |
| 18:40.17 | MG_Tak | Had question I was thinking maybe you could give me some insight on. |
| 18:40.36 | treke | grammar is overrated |
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| 18:47.00 | MG_Tak | treke: yes, it is |
| 18:48.16 | MG_Tak | treke: at any rate, which do you think would be more worthwhile, a plugin for qtopia desktop, or an app that syncs the Zaurus to Sun ONE on its own, or straight through the Zaurus manager rather? |
| 18:48.42 | treke | "Zaurus manager"? |
| 18:49.38 | MG_Tak | treke: the systray software, in windows |
| 18:49.59 | treke | MG_Tak: You mean intellisync? |
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| 18:50.12 | MG_Tak | treke: probably :) |
| 18:50.46 | treke | you were assuming wrong |
| 18:50.51 | treke | it sits between the zaurus and outlook |
| 18:51.01 | treke | qtopia desktop talks directly to the zaurus |
| 18:51.04 | MG_Tak | oh, okay |
| 18:51.48 | MG_Tak | basically, I'd simply like intellisync to connect to Sun ONE rather than Outlook |
| 18:51.58 | treke | that isnt going to happen |
| 18:52.44 | MG_Tak | what's the issue there? |
| 18:52.58 | treke | No way to make it talk to your Sun ONE server |
| 18:53.18 | MG_Tak | no plugin architecture? |
| 18:53.31 | treke | not one available for you to use |
| 18:54.33 | treke | if you want to go pay pumatech for a license you could maybe do it :p |
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| 19:24.47 | MG_Tak | treke: did you answer my last comment? if you did, I missed it when I got booted. |
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| 20:29.21 | mspencer | Hmm...I wonder...regarding C700 battery life... |
| 20:30.05 | mspencer | On the DM menus, it seems to have some kind of flash setting for a low watermark for the battery. I wonder if that affects when it says 'battery low'...because if that's too high, the machine basically becomes unusable with battery capacity to spare, because the battery applet keeps shutting the machine off... |
| 20:30.48 | mspencer | I've been tinkering with that, letting the battery run as low as possible yet still keep the DM menu up...and keep writing lower and lower values to flash. I'll check to see if I have more usable battery capacity for doing that. |
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| 21:09.45 | mspencer | There, finally told me to 'charge the battery', compiling software on full screen brightness with either the 802.11b card or the microdrive inserted. |
| 21:10.03 | mspencer | What was that, 45 minutes? I guess that wasn't much of an improvement after all... |
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| 21:12.35 | Unplugged | I just got my zaurus 5600 can anyone tell me how I can get to the command line? |
| 21:13.13 | badalex | you have to install the konsole ipk |
| 21:13.29 | Unplugged | where can I get that? |
| 21:13.53 | dheckaman | openzaurus.org ;) |
| 21:13.53 | MG_Tak | Unplugged: do you have the original CD with you? |
| 21:14.12 | badalex | Unplugged, or www.myzaurus.com |
| 21:14.39 | Unplugged | no. I got it from a friend, all I have is the actual zaurus, nic card, and base station. |
| 21:16.21 | mspencer | This is cool -- apparently my Nessus compile/install was failing because of missing Bison and Flex utils and libraries. Installing the bison and flex ipk's didn't help. |
| 21:17.20 | mspencer | I've just successfully compiled and installed m4 (required for bison), then bison itself, and am now ./configure'ing flex. I'll try to package up Nessus as an ipk if I get it working, but I'll need help. :-) |
| 21:18.52 | MG_Tak | anyone used any of the tckPIM suite? |
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| 21:21.22 | Unplugged | anyone know a site with a list of package servers? |
| 21:25.55 | mspencer | I wonder if it'd ever be a good idea to format a 1 GB microdrive as jffs2 :-) |
| 21:27.05 | yeiazel | I don't think so |
| 21:27.55 | mspencer | mine's ext2 right now, and seems to work pretty well...but I don't know enough about the pros and cons of various filesystems enough to know if it'd be good or not. I'll take your word for it though :) |
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| 21:32.07 | yeiazel | I'm not sure about it, someone just said me that, but apparently, the main advantage of jffs2 is that it deals with the memory usage, tries not to "break" chip parts before others (because of the "short" lifetime of the memory, you should use it in a linear way, overwrite data only if there is no more "real" empty space, etc); but the hardware already deals it on sd cards |
| 21:32.24 | yeiazel | sd cards and cf cards |
| 21:32.41 | mspencer | Right. Well, I don't know if a CF Microdrive's controller does any load balancing, it being a hard disk and all... |
| 21:32.42 | yeiazel | and for a microdrive... there's no advantage... |
| 21:33.17 | mspencer | Well, just a bit ago when doing those GNU libraries, I threw caution to the wind and did 'make install' right on the device, instead of manually stripping and copying out what files I know I need. |
| 21:33.43 | mspencer | It installed a bunch of language support files and a few man pages, and it seemed to me those didn't take up a lot of space. Does jffs2 compress as it writes or something? |
| 21:34.22 | mspencer | cool -- the ./configure on nessus-libraries seems to be happier with the version of flex it found. |
| 21:34.53 | mspencer | I ran into problems earlier -- nessus-libraries would compile just fine, but then libnasl would refuse to compile, and its ./configure script complained about some of the libraries not having the proper yacc support or something... |
| 21:35.31 | mspencer | and I'm glad for that load balancing -- I run a 16 MB swapfile on a 128 MB SD card. Been doing that since March, and things seem to work just fine :) |
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| 21:46.01 | mspencer | Damnit...once again it says "no yacc restart func found" "perhaps libpcap-nessus wasn't compiled with bison/flex?" so I think I'm still screwed X__X |
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| 22:20.32 | TCMAN | hi |
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| 22:23.38 | MG_Tak | hi TCMAN |
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| 22:55.43 | Unplugged | is there a way to get my zaurus to work with windows xp |
| 22:55.44 | Unplugged | ? |
| 22:56.02 | George`Coding | We're all linux-festing nerds |
| 22:56.15 | George`Coding | with no lives. |
| 22:56.19 | nianderson | Unplugged: what you you mean? |
| 22:56.23 | nianderson | work with xp |
| 22:56.37 | Unplugged | I can't find drivers for the usb connection for my zaurus. |
| 22:56.56 | Unplugged | i want to transfer over some files, and .ipk stuff I downloaded. |
| 22:57.13 | nianderson | i c |
| 22:57.33 | nianderson | dunno, i dont use xp and i dont connect to my z with usb |
| 22:57.42 | nianderson | rather i dont use windows |
| 22:58.04 | Unplugged | yeah, windows sucks but that's all I have access to right now. |
| 22:59.00 | nianderson | do you have a floppy? |
| 22:59.12 | nianderson | you can always fdisk and load linux ;) |
| 22:59.23 | Unplugged | true. |
| 22:59.24 | nianderson | but you might want to try this before you do that |
| 22:59.27 | nianderson | http://lists.zaurus.com/pipermail/zaurus-general/2002-February/000577.html |
| 23:00.20 | Unplugged | hmmmm... |
| 23:02.48 | Unplugged | problem is that I don't have any of the software that came with this thing. I just have the zaurus, cradle, and nic cards |
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| 23:04.42 | Cameron | Hello there. Does anyone have a particular Compact Flash Wifi card to recommend? Which ones should I look at if I'm going for the lowest battery consumption? |
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| 23:04.44 | MG_Tak | hrm |
| 23:04.46 | Unplugged | nianderson you know any address of package servers so I can load some software on here? I just got this the other day |
| 23:05.25 | MG_Tak | is the usbd0 interface intentionaly not allowing access to any IP address than the one it's connected to via USB? |
| 23:05.38 | Cameron | Unplugged: you're connected to the 'net via USB? |
| 23:06.03 | Unplugged | no. |
| 23:06.09 | Unplugged | wireless card. |
| 23:06.16 | Cameron | ah, alright |
| 23:06.22 | Cameron | Unplugged: which one do you have? |
| 23:06.27 | Unplugged | 5600 |
| 23:06.31 | Cameron | no, Wifi card |
| 23:06.51 | Cameron | which wireless card do you have, Unplugged? |
| 23:06.55 | Unplugged | smc |
| 23:07.09 | nianderson | Unplugged: openzaurus.org |
| 23:07.11 | Cameron | Unplugged: Ok -- how did you decide on it compared to all of the others? |
| 23:07.37 | Unplugged | on the zaurus or the nic? |
| 23:07.45 | Cameron | NIC |
| 23:07.57 | Unplugged | that's what they gave me from work. |
| 23:07.57 | Unplugged | why? |
| 23:08.24 | nianderson | Unplugged: so your z is connected via wifi? |
| 23:08.50 | Unplugged | yeah |
| 23:08.58 | Cameron | Unplugged: Did you not see the post I made upon entering this room? |
| 23:09.00 | nianderson | then why bother with usb |
| 23:09.04 | nianderson | go get winscp |
| 23:09.19 | Cameron | :) mmmm, ess-see-pee |
| 23:09.37 | nianderson | you can just connect over the network to your z |
| 23:09.39 | Unplugged | no. |
| 23:10.00 | Unplugged | ah, now I see it. |
| 23:10.06 | Cameron | <Cameron> Hello there. Does anyone have a particular Compact Flash Wifi card to recommend? Which ones should I look at if I'm going for the lowest battery consumption? |
| 23:10.17 | Cameron | ah, sorry then |
| 23:10.19 | Cameron | :) |
| 23:10.19 | Unplugged | np |
| 23:10.21 | nianderson | Cameron: lowest battery consumption |
| 23:10.30 | nianderson | socket low power card |
| 23:10.43 | Cameron | nianderson: Ok -- I remember that being quite expen$ive :) |
| 23:10.44 | nianderson | thats what i have |
| 23:10.53 | Unplugged | i still don't know how to install packages on here. went to install packages, and put in the info for http://openzaurus.org |
| 23:10.55 | Cameron | (or @ least more than the others) |
| 23:10.58 | nianderson | yeh it was over 100 but it can go for hours |
| 23:11.03 | Unplugged | but I dont' see any packages to install. |
| 23:11.15 | nianderson | heh Unplugged goto openzaurus.org |
| 23:11.21 | nianderson | you can flash in a new os |
| 23:11.21 | Cameron | nianderson: now the natural question is: Do you know how much more power-efficient it is really than the others? |
| 23:11.44 | Cameron | nianderson: Also, I noticed this article that states the Linksys one's battery consumption isn't much different than the Socket's... |
| 23:11.48 | Cameron | I'll get the URL |
| 23:11.58 | Cameron | http://www.pdabuyersguide.com/tips/linksys.htm |
| 23:11.58 | nianderson | Cameron: i saw on a message board a guy that had a dlink to compare with and he said th esocket was much much better on his battery |
| 23:12.14 | Cameron | "The card is very battery friendly and did as well as the Socket WiFi type I card. Both of these cards are excellent choices if battery drain is a concern." |
| 23:12.39 | nianderson | yeh |
| 23:12.42 | Cameron | nianderson: ok -- then you think maybe the d-link is just bad while the Linksys + Socket are better? |
| 23:12.49 | nianderson | maybe |
| 23:12.52 | Cameron | nianderson: or is this reviewer for theLinksys mistaken? |
| 23:13.02 | nianderson | all i know is mine works well |
| 23:13.05 | Cameron | hehe alright |
| 23:13.08 | nianderson | i dont have a linksys to compare against |
| 23:13.19 | Cameron | nianderson: have you heard anything about the Sandisk one with the 128 MB built-in? |
| 23:13.23 | nianderson | Unplugged: you should flash in openzaurus |
| 23:13.32 | nianderson | nah i havent |
| 23:13.49 | Cameron | I was thinking I might as well get that one because of the added plus of storage assuming that the combo doesen't sacrifice wireless quality |
| 23:14.06 | nianderson | yeh im not sure |
| 23:14.25 | nianderson | i like sd card for extra memory so i can just have my wlan card in all the time |
| 23:14.33 | nianderson | i just install everything to my sd card |
| 23:14.42 | Unplugged | i have an sd card. |
| 23:14.43 | nianderson | and i dont store music so thats not a concern |
| 23:14.55 | Cameron | right -- of course :) but if I could have BOTH for little extra cost, it would be great |
| 23:15.09 | mspencer | well damnit, Nessus still won't compile. libhosts_gatherer fails a 'make test' |
| 23:15.16 | TCMAN | i have seen sd->cf converters |
| 23:15.16 | MG_Tak | Cameron: /can/ the Z connect to the internet via the USB docking station? |
| 23:15.19 | nianderson | yeh but i bet power consumption is bad on it |
| 23:15.34 | TCMAN | now is someone could combine cf wifi card with sd->cf converter |
| 23:15.37 | Cameron | MG_Tak: My Z is in the mail, but I was under the impression that you can |
| 23:15.51 | Cameron | MG_Tak: because the Zaurus can do TCP/IP over USB... |
| 23:15.52 | mspencer | I don't think the SD card slot on the Z supports interrupts |
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| 23:16.03 | nianderson | that was weitd |
| 23:16.07 | nianderson | seg fault |
| 23:16.07 | TCMAN | mspencer no, the otherway |
| 23:16.10 | nianderson | out of no where |
| 23:16.20 | MG_Tak | Cameron: I have it doing that, but I can't seem to get beyond the windows machine, even with a nat server |
| 23:16.21 | mspencer | ah, so you can stick a small SD card in a CF slot? |
| 23:16.24 | TCMAN | so you can put sd card into cf and that into cf slot |
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| 23:16.47 | TCMAN | that combined with wifi card would be great |
| 23:16.48 | Cameron | MG_Tak: and you do route add default gw windows.machine.with.nat? |
| 23:17.03 | MG_Tak | haven't tried that yet |
| 23:17.34 | MG_Tak | Cameron: thanks :) |
| 23:18.45 | Cameron | k |
| 23:18.45 | Cameron | adios |
| 23:23.13 | absentia | I can't seem to save files to internal rom now from netfront |
| 23:23.24 | absentia | I also can't save to cf acard |
| 23:23.27 | Unplugged | nianderson please bear with me on this one. I'm in the package manager. I have under server open zaurus, url: http://openzaurus.org and no proxy information. when I click ok it says" ipkg says something went wrong. Sorry. |
| 23:23.31 | Unplugged | wtf? |
| 23:23.33 | absentia | I wish netfront would tell you where it is trying to write! |
| 23:23.46 | absentia | welcome to sucky ipkg |
| 23:25.07 | Unplugged | so what am I doing wrong? |
| 23:25.11 | nianderson | Unplugged: openzaurus.org is not a feed |
| 23:25.14 | nianderson | its a website |
| 23:25.17 | nianderson | go read the page |
| 23:25.25 | nianderson | they have links to a couple other feeds |
| 23:25.46 | Unplugged | ok. |
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| 23:31.30 | nianderson | see you can take the distro sharp sends with it off and flash in openzaurus |
| 23:31.35 | nianderson | much better imho |
| 23:32.00 | Unplugged | what is cf? |
| 23:32.04 | Unplugged | haha |
| 23:34.28 | TCMAN | Unplugged compact flash |
| 23:34.47 | Unplugged | so it's a good place to install console to? |
| 23:35.11 | Unplugged | nevermind. |
| 23:35.24 | Unplugged | * shoots himself |
| 23:36.03 | TCMAN | George`Coding hi :) |
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