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| 02:09.19 | W8TVI | has anyone had problems with thier zaurus refusing to charge (the charge light will not come on)? |
| 02:10.06 | cleverdra | no. Are you sure that your power supply is functional? |
| 02:11.44 | W8TVI | yep... think so... |
| 02:11.50 | W8TVI | I"ll check |
| 02:12.08 | W8TVI | it wouldnt work from an other supply |
| 02:12.59 | W8TVI | its fine |
| 02:13.13 | cleverdra | are you sure that the zaurus isn't charging? |
| 02:13.58 | W8TVI | well the charge light isn't on, and the pda wont turn on |
| 02:15.23 | cleverdra | you're switched to 'normal operation', right? |
| 02:15.28 | W8TVI | yep |
| 02:15.49 | W8TVI | tried pulling the battery, hitting the reset button... |
| 02:16.25 | cleverdra | did you have a charge before you noticed that the Z wouldn't turn on? |
| 02:17.35 | cleverdra | IOW, do you believe that your Z ought to have enought power from its battery? |
| 02:18.10 | Solar[X] | Hm when I first got mine it wouldn't charge, I left it plugged in overnight and the next morning it was charged. |
| 02:18.18 | Solar[X] | Has it been off power for a while? |
| 02:19.14 | cleverdra | aye, perhaps it is charging the NiMH battery. |
| 02:19.52 | cleverdra | I don't know how that would effect operations, though. |
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| 02:25.32 | W8TVI | the last time I it should have enoufe to turn on... its has 3.82v in the battery |
| 02:31.52 | rev|z | heyy |
| 02:32.03 | rev|z | kids |
| 02:32.07 | rev|z | i have a question |
| 02:32.15 | rev|z | i have two 128MB sd cards |
| 02:32.30 | rev|z | both lexar |
| 02:32.44 | fliplap | no, they won't work as a 256meg if you tape them together |
| 02:32.49 | rev|z | hshshs |
| 02:32.54 | rev|z | er, hahaha |
| 02:32.57 | rev|z | anywho |
| 02:32.58 | Solar[X] | And that wasn't a question. |
| 02:33.00 | rev|z | one works great |
| 02:33.04 | rev|z | works like a dandy |
| 02:33.13 | fliplap | what does a dandy do? |
| 02:33.33 | fliplap | i've never seen one work. Tho by your previous statement i can assume whatever is does, it does it great |
| 02:33.45 | rev|z | heh |
| 02:33.48 | rev|z | i just works |
| 02:33.48 | rev|z | so |
| 02:33.53 | rev|z | this other one doesn't |
| 02:34.06 | rev|z | when i put it in, the Z locks up entirely |
| 02:34.11 | rev|z | the GUI that is |
| 02:34.17 | Solar[X] | At least there's some kind of response. |
| 02:34.19 | rev|z | i've not tried sshing in during this freeze |
| 02:34.21 | Solar[X] | Is there something on it? |
| 02:34.26 | rev|z | no |
| 02:34.28 | rev|z | it's blank |
| 02:34.30 | rev|z | brand new |
| 02:34.33 | Solar[X] | Hm |
| 02:34.35 | cleverdra | rev - so why don't you try it? |
| 02:34.39 | rev|z | just openeed it just two seconds before |
| 02:34.40 | rev|z | clever |
| 02:34.46 | rev|z | try what? |
| 02:35.00 | Solar[X] | Got any other devices to test in? |
| 02:35.01 | rev|z | when i eject the card, the Z un freezes and all is fine |
| 02:35.05 | Solar[X] | It could well be broken. |
| 02:35.13 | rev|z | if i insert the othercard, no problem at all |
| 02:35.18 | rev|z | i tried rebooting, no luck |
| 02:35.41 | cleverdra | rev - try doing what you said you hadn't tried. |
| 02:36.00 | rev|z | ...huh? what hadn't i tried? |
| 02:36.17 | rev|z | er |
| 02:36.18 | rev|z | ahhh |
| 02:36.18 | rev|z | k |
| 02:36.20 | rev|z | well |
| 02:36.27 | rev|z | i could do that, but i don't know what it'd help |
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| 02:36.42 | rev|z | i can't imagine the entire machine is totally locked up |
| 02:37.05 | W8TVI | back |
| 02:37.05 | cleverdra | you could take a look at the caerd, for one, and remove that speculation. |
| 02:37.11 | Solar[X] | It sounds broken to me. |
| 02:37.15 | rev|z | yeah |
| 02:37.20 | cleverdra | solar - hush. |
| 02:37.21 | rev|z | that's what i was thinking |
| 02:37.40 | rev|z | but it can be hard to know if somthing is actually broken or if the Z is just on crack :P |
| 02:37.41 | Solar[X] | cleverdra: like ssh'ing in would do him any good. |
| 02:37.44 | rev|z | but soudns broken to me |
| 02:37.52 | cleverdra | solar - hush. |
| 02:38.01 | rev|z | how could i take a look at the card? |
| 02:38.04 | rev|z | it never mounts |
| 02:38.16 | cleverdra | rev - how do you know? |
| 02:38.26 | rev|z | a script that i background |
| 02:42.38 | rev|z | :) |
| 02:42.53 | Solar[X] | That obviously shut him up.. heh. |
| 02:43.01 | rev|z | haha |
| 02:43.04 | rev|z | that's what i was thinking |
| 02:44.06 | cleverdra | no, I just don't have much energy to spend on people who don't seem willing to do a little debugging. |
| 02:44.50 | cleverdra | This isn't efnet #perl, and I don't walk people through problems when I'm typing on a thumb keyboard. |
| 02:45.35 | rev|z | ... |
| 02:45.36 | rev|z | haha |
| 02:45.41 | rev|z | i did the debugging |
| 02:45.48 | rev|z | what else should i do? |
| 02:45.54 | rev|z | you don't have to walk me through a thing |
| 02:46.02 | Solar[X] | Yet you went through the trouble of husing me twice... hm. |
| 02:46.06 | rev|z | but i don't see what more sshing in would achive |
| 02:46.07 | rev|z | heh |
| 02:46.14 | cleverdra | solar - hush. |
| 02:46.33 | Solar[X] | I bet you have that c&p'ed. |
| 02:46.53 | cleverdra | OK. |
| 02:47.26 | rev|z | oi |
| 02:48.14 | Solar[X] | I was just giving my honest opinion, and I would say it's a hardware issue. |
| 02:49.47 | cleverdra | I'd be more interested in trying to format the card, and the obvious softrware issue of the Z freezing and coming back, myself. |
| 02:51.55 | rev|z | it's an odd behavior, indeed |
| 02:52.02 | rev|z | i've seen i on other cards which didn't respond |
| 02:52.11 | rev|z | locks up the qtopia loop |
| 02:52.25 | rev|z | had the same behavior with a wifi card that crapped out |
| 02:54.21 | Solar[X] | You know, you having a card reader would really help right now. |
| 02:54.23 | Solar[X] | :) |
| 02:54.31 | Solar[X] | Or even a cam. |
| 02:54.41 | cleverdra | do you have another ROM to test the card against? OZ and the new sharp ROM have different kernels, even. |
| 02:54.44 | cleverdra | solar - *cough* the Z *cough* |
| 02:55.04 | rev|z | yeah, i've nothing else with a SD card |
| 02:55.14 | rev|z | i have a CF card reader and cam, but nothing that uses SD |
| 02:55.26 | Solar[X] | cleverdra: please |
| 02:55.59 | Solar[X] | To me this could be a software issue, or a hardware issue, I'm just finding ways to exclude one of those. |
| 02:56.37 | cleverdra | solar - sensible. |
| 02:57.19 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.29 | Solar[X] | Or you could try it outside of Qtopia. |
| 02:58.44 | rev|z | mhmm |
| 02:59.10 | rev|z | anyone know how to drop into console mode on the c7x0? |
| 02:59.12 | cleverdra | solar - he might ssh in, kill whatever's trying to access the card, and then do whatever you think he might do outside of Qtopia. |
| 02:59.42 | cleverdra | rev - in OZ, terminate qpe. |
| 03:00.35 | cleverdra | rev - also, runlevels. I don't know what special method the c7x0 has that differs from a 5x00 |
| 03:01.14 | rev|z | ok |
| 03:01.42 | rev|z | well, the method i always used on the 5500 was the hit-a-key-in-bootup thing |
| 03:01.44 | rev|z | while Wait... |
| 03:16.48 | rev|z | what's the deal with fonts on qpe? can you add ttf fonts to a folder, or is there more to itf |
| 03:23.44 | rev|z | and |
| 03:23.57 | rev|z | are there conf files somewhere to change the fonts to use throughout the system? |
| 03:24.00 | cleverdra | rev - what about fonts? |
| 03:24.21 | cleverdra | rev - sadly, there doesn't seem to be |
| 03:24.55 | cleverdra | rev - my hack to get chinese fonts was to put *only* the chinese fonts in /opt/Qtopia/lib/fonts |
| 03:26.08 | rev|z | hrm |
| 03:26.26 | cleverdra | I had it as a symlink, and fonts.en fonts.ch, and scripts that restsrted qpe. ugly. |
| 03:26.44 | cleverdra | possibly there's a config somewhere. |
| 03:32.31 | cleverdra | chinese fonts mess up some fixed text, and make the terminals unusable. sad. I need to see how the Chinese ROM deals with that. |
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| 03:37.41 | dee-vee | Anyone gotten gaim to work in the oz snapshot from http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/? |
| 03:38.01 | dee-vee | it install and runs but I cant get messages, and yes i install the gconv modules |
| 03:40.36 | rev|z | not tried it myself |
| 03:41.00 | rev|z | oz that is; gaim works swell on my stock c760 sharp rom |
| 03:41.15 | dee-vee | it was working swell on oz 3.2 |
| 03:41.21 | dee-vee | but guess not witht his snapshot |
| 03:41.29 | rev|z | aa |
| 03:41.32 | rev|z | er ah |
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| 03:52.49 | ChipX86|Coding | btw, gaim 0.2 was released today |
| 03:53.35 | hobbs | er? |
| 03:53.47 | ChipX86|Coding | ? |
| 03:53.53 | hobbs | 0.2? |
| 03:53.58 | ChipX86|Coding | the context was gaim for qtopia |
| 03:54.19 | hobbs | aah. I didn't get any context. :) |
| 03:54.24 | hobbs | I actually just saw that link about gaim for qtopia. Fairly cool. |
| 03:54.30 | hobbs | Too bad my Z is somewhat smashed up |
| 03:54.32 | ChipX86|Coding | that's because I entered into the conversation very late :P |
| 03:54.33 | ChipX86|Coding | aww :( |
| 03:54.49 | hobbs | busted touchscreen |
| 03:54.55 | ChipX86|Coding | that sucks |
| 03:55.04 | hobbs | and the price Sharp quotes to replace it is considerably more than a new Z |
| 03:55.09 | ChipX86|Coding | yeah |
| 03:55.28 | W8TVI | my z seem to be dead.... |
| 03:55.37 | ChipX86|Coding | ? |
| 03:55.50 | W8TVI | wont power up... |
| 03:55.54 | ChipX86|Coding | ugh |
| 03:55.58 | W8TVI | charge light wont come on |
| 03:56.26 | ChipX86|Coding | ok stupid question.. the replace battery switch is set to the right position, right? |
| 03:56.29 | W8TVI | I get 3.2v at the battery terminals |
| 03:56.47 | W8TVI | yep... been there, done that |
| 03:56.51 | ChipX86|Coding | making sure |
| 03:57.12 | ChipX86|Coding | I somehow managed to switch it without realizing it a week ago and thought I killed it |
| 03:57.20 | W8TVI | I made my own battery pack |
| 03:57.37 | W8TVI | and I used the right polairy |
| 03:58.07 | W8TVI | I think I killed the charging curcuit |
| 03:58.26 | Solar[X] | Heh, something you cleverly forgot to notice. |
| 03:58.32 | hobbs | ouch. |
| 03:58.56 | Solar[X] | Then again, we didn't ask. |
| 03:59.00 | W8TVI | it worked for a while after I gave up on the idea... about 2 hours |
| 03:59.02 | hobbs | actually -- I've done that. Got a transient of the wrong polarity, wouldn't turn on for half an hour, but then it worked again |
| 03:59.41 | W8TVI | it said it was charging... |
| 03:59.59 | W8TVI | and the battery app went up a bit |
| 04:00.13 | W8TVI | but then it went down to almost dead again... |
| 04:00.34 | W8TVI | and now the screen went weird |
| 04:00.41 | hobbs | what happened with mine was, I had rechargeable AA's in the pack, and no diode |
| 04:00.42 | W8TVI | before it shut off |
| 04:00.51 | W8TVI | same here |
| 04:01.08 | hobbs | and when the batteries went dead, bad things happened |
| 04:01.22 | hobbs | but I unplugged it right away, and half an hour later it was okay |
| 04:02.02 | W8TVI | the z tried to charge the AA's... |
| 04:02.31 | W8TVI | did the charge light refuse to turn on? |
| 04:03.33 | hobbs | I'm not sure. i think maybe. |
| 04:03.34 | hobbs | This was a while ago |
| 04:03.41 | hobbs | how long has it been dead? |
| 04:03.56 | W8TVI | about 6 hours |
| 04:03.59 | hobbs | ow |
| 04:04.08 | W8TVI | I left the battery out for half that |
| 04:04.26 | W8TVI | tried to charge it for about 2 hours |
| 04:04.34 | W8TVI | 2 or 3 |
| 04:05.05 | hobbs | I think you've got a screwed charger then, too. |
| 04:05.10 | hobbs | Sorry. |
| 04:05.23 | W8TVI | the charger puts out about 5.3v |
| 04:05.45 | W8TVI | and I tried it on the car power adapter that I've ran it on before |
| 04:06.53 | hobbs | well, I meant charger circuit in the Z |
| 04:06.57 | W8TVI | yeah |
| 04:07.19 | W8TVI | now what? |
| 04:07.46 | hobbs | now... I dunno |
| 04:07.55 | hobbs | If you had any warranty, it's likely void. |
| 04:08.03 | hobbs | I'll be back in a min. Trying something out. |
| 04:08.06 | W8TVI | got it off ebay |
| 04:08.42 | W8TVI | if I had a warranty, I'd tell them it wont charge or turn on anymore.... |
| 04:09.03 | W8TVI | and not tell them I tried to make my own battery pack |
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| 04:13.06 | VampireZIM | cam |
| 04:13.12 | Cameron | hi there, VampireZIM |
| 04:13.22 | Cameron | How's it going? |
| 04:13.24 | VampireZIM | sux not having a pda |
| 04:13.37 | Cameron | :( |
| 04:13.48 | W8TVI | VampireZIM, it sucks even more having a PDA and it being dead |
| 04:13.56 | Cameron | I think you'll live though, VampireZIM :) |
| 04:14.05 | VampireZIM | mabye |
| 04:14.06 | Cameron | W8TVI: :( what happened to yours? |
| 04:14.30 | W8TVI | I tried to make my own battery pack |
| 04:14.41 | Cameron | eek |
| 04:14.43 | VampireZIM | 5500? |
| 04:14.45 | W8TVI | I used 4 AAs |
| 04:14.46 | W8TVI | yep |
| 04:14.52 | W8TVI | VampireZIM: why |
| 04:14.53 | Cameron | I remember you saying that... |
| 04:14.54 | W8TVI | ? |
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| 04:15.05 | VampireZIM | just wondering. |
| 04:15.12 | hobbs | It's cool :) |
| 04:15.15 | W8TVI | I got it used off of ebay |
| 04:15.21 | Cameron | hello, hobbs |
| 04:15.23 | W8TVI | hobbs, what is? |
| 04:15.39 | hobbs | W8TVI: just set up prelink on this system |
| 04:15.42 | Cameron | W8TVI: A scary thing to do apparently |
| 04:15.47 | W8TVI | oh' |
| 04:15.54 | hobbs | It didn't break anything, which is a plus |
| 04:15.55 | Cameron | man, the lag here is amazing! |
| 04:16.05 | W8TVI | it worked great untill today.. |
| 04:16.10 | hobbs | It segfaulted trying to process nVidia's libGL, though... |
| 04:16.25 | W8TVI | I killed my poor 5500 :( |
| 04:16.30 | Cameron | and it's safe to assume that the warranty does not cover it, eh? |
| 04:16.36 | Cameron | :( |
| 04:16.49 | W8TVI | what warranty? |
| 04:16.58 | W8TVI | I got it thru ebay |
| 04:17.15 | hobbs | W8TVI: I killed mine by putting it down on the floor (dumb) and then tripping and falling in such a manner as to cause a chair leg to land on the screen (clumsy) |
| 04:17.25 | Cameron | ahh, ok, ok, for some reason I was thinking you got some of the battery pack parts used on eBay, not the PDA |
| 04:17.43 | W8TVI | the manual didn't say that if you used something other the stock power cord that you would kill it |
| 04:17.55 | Cameron | W8TVI: did your battery pack @ least do its job for a little while? |
| 04:18.03 | W8TVI | no |
| 04:18.06 | hobbs | W8TVI: heh. 'cause it's not true. |
| 04:18.15 | hobbs | but reverse polarity is something it REALLY doesn't appreciate |
| 04:18.19 | Cameron | :-/ W8TVI what made you think it would work? |
| 04:18.31 | W8TVI | well they sell them on ebay |
| 04:18.38 | hobbs | I've got a friend who did it real nice, with diodes, and a nice pluggable cable, and it works great |
| 04:18.54 | W8TVI | and I have built battery packs for my stuff lots of times |
| 04:19.26 | W8TVI | I tried the pack on my digital cam, and it showed the back was almost dead... |
| 04:19.34 | hobbs | (the battery pack has a belt-clip and a 1/8" jack, and then he built a cable that has 1/8" on one end and power jack on the other) |
| 04:19.59 | W8TVI | but the thing is, I just pulled the batterys out of the camera to test it. |
| 04:20.12 | W8TVI | and I put them back in the camera and they show full |
| 04:20.20 | hobbs | and he built two versions, one was 4xAA, the other was 4xD -- for those long trips into the mountains, I guess :) |
| 04:21.15 | W8TVI | one of the guys on one of the zarus channels on here has the 8D cell paks |
| 04:21.23 | W8TVI | 2x4D |
| 04:21.29 | hobbs | aah nice |
| 04:21.42 | W8TVI | no diodes |
| 04:22.03 | hobbs | besides lasting forever, it can handle more peak current -- good if you've got wifi :) |
| 04:22.08 | W8TVI | says he gets DAYS |
| 04:22.17 | hobbs | that's sweet |
| 04:22.22 | Cameron | lol |
| 04:22.23 | hobbs | before the Z I had a palm IIIxe |
| 04:22.26 | W8TVI | so I though I could do it on a smaller scale |
| 04:22.38 | Cameron | hobbs: Bet its battery lasted a while, eh? |
| 04:22.45 | hobbs | I used to run on a pair of AAA NiMH for a week. |
| 04:23.08 | hobbs | I just had two sets that I turned over, bought new ones once a year, it was great :) |
| 04:23.31 | hobbs | But faster processors and color LCDs are soo power hungry. |
| 04:23.39 | hobbs | The LCD even more than the processor, too. |
| 04:23.52 | Cameron | sure |
| 04:23.59 | Cameron | you get what you pay for (in battery life :)) |
| 04:24.52 | hobbs | If I get the money to get another PDA, I think it'll be a Palm again. |
| 04:25.09 | hobbs | But I heard that they have to lose Graffiti -- ouch. |
| 04:25.15 | rev|z | what model of palm |
| 04:25.16 | rev|z | no |
| 04:25.21 | rev|z | they don't have to lose graffiti as such |
| 04:25.21 | Cameron | how so, hobbs? |
| 04:25.25 | rev|z | just modify it a little bit |
| 04:25.29 | Cameron | hmm |
| 04:25.30 | rev|z | they now have graffiti two |
| 04:25.36 | rev|z | which isn't mch different at all |
| 04:25.37 | cleverdra | hobbs - there's always the agenda. |
| 04:25.38 | rev|z | IMHO it's nicer |
| 04:25.42 | rev|z | hahaha |
| 04:25.44 | rev|z | the agenda |
| 04:25.52 | hobbs | rev|z: it's still single-stroke recognition? |
| 04:25.58 | rev|z | yeah, or get a helio by vtech and run pocketLinux |
| 04:26.22 | hobbs | cleverdra: the main thing I'm interested in is the huge library of software that comes with palm. |
| 04:26.26 | rev|z | hobbs: yes and no; it can be single-stroke, but you can now change the prefs for a few characters to allow for a two stroke way to write it |
| 04:26.29 | rev|z | like with t |
| 04:26.30 | cleverdra | I can't imagine going back to palm from my Z, though. |
| 04:26.34 | hobbs | I miss ShadowPlan horribly. :) |
| 04:26.35 | rev|z | but you can still do a one stroke T |
| 04:26.45 | hobbs | rev|z: well, that's cool. As long as it's not too different. |
| 04:26.48 | rev|z | yeah |
| 04:26.54 | rev|z | i can't imagine going to Palm, not yet at least |
| 04:27.00 | hobbs | I graffiti faster than anything else except typing. |
| 04:27.14 | rev|z | i can't run squeak smalltalk- how would i write my code! :) |
| 04:27.28 | rev|z | but i miss the somewhat decent software i could get for wince |
| 04:27.31 | cleverdra | hobbs - I'm more interested in someone releasing a decent development ROM so that I can access the large body of linux software, but OK. |
| 04:27.45 | hobbs | I thought the Z was great, as a linux system, lots of nifty stuff to do -- but less _serious_ stuff to do. |
| 04:27.52 | rev|z | what can i say, i'm pragatic... i lost the linux religion a long tie ago myself |
| 04:27.56 | rev|z | yeah hobbs |
| 04:27.58 | rev|z | heck |
| 04:28.07 | cleverdra | hobbs - you graffiti faster than you fitaly-touchtype? |
| 04:28.08 | rev|z | even for unixey stuff, it's less serious |
| 04:28.32 | rev|z | that is, there aren't many adaptations of classic unixey things like LaTeX as i hoped |
| 04:28.57 | hobbs | cleverdra: only tried that for a short time. I got reasonably fast at it, not sure how it compares |
| 04:28.57 | rev|z | aside from a realish keyboard, my fastest method of input is real handwritging recognition |
| 04:29.02 | hobbs | rev|z: haha. ZLyX would be nice :) |
| 04:29.12 | rev|z | like on the newtonOS or calligrapher on WinCE |
| 04:29.23 | cleverdra | rev - blame the confused people releasing ROMs with hideous unuseful features like the 'documents' tab. |
| 04:29.31 | rev|z | i was getting 40-50 WPM |
| 04:29.31 | W8TVI | hobbs, |
| 04:29.46 | W8TVI | I think I know what happend |
| 04:29.49 | hobbs | W8TVI: yeah? |
| 04:29.52 | rev|z | cleverdra: meh, the docs tab isn't that bad, just a bit confused... ;) |
| 04:30.01 | W8TVI | my DC powersupply blew it fuse |
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| 04:30.16 | cleverdra | rev - or image viewers that search your entire SD/CF cards for files and list them all at once. nice. Real appropriate for my use. |
| 04:30.19 | W8TVI | that the first time that it the screen went werid |
| 04:30.31 | rev|z | hobbs: yeah. there wasn't a LyX for WinCE, but it was pretty easy to write, compile and view the tex docs i worked on, all with a nice GUI |
| 04:30.41 | hobbs | W8TVI: ouch. |
| 04:30.46 | rev|z | even emacs for WinCE hooked up with the LaTeX tools well |
| 04:30.51 | W8TVI | I think it must have spiked it when it blew |
| 04:30.58 | rev|z | cleverdra: yeah, ewww |
| 04:31.16 | cleverdra | rev - have you tried the zaurus emacs port? |
| 04:31.17 | hobbs | rev|z: it should be possible to get latex going on the Z, as long as you've got oodles of storage |
| 04:31.26 | hobbs | rev|z: maybe even with a straight port of the ARM debs. |
| 04:31.34 | W8TVI | wonder how much sharp would charge to fix it |
| 04:31.39 | hobbs | (one of the advantages of an almost-debian system) |
| 04:31.48 | W8TVI | hobbs, it didn't die right away |
| 04:31.49 | hobbs | W8TVI: far too much. |
| 04:31.55 | rev|z | hobbs: yeah, that's doable, but it's very far from optimal |
| 04:31.59 | cleverdra | hobbs - soon I'll have a 1G microdrive in addition to my 256M SD card. |
| 04:32.09 | rev|z | cleverdra: not yet- os there a qpe port, or just console? |
| 04:32.25 | hobbs | rev|z: true. But you can tune it from there. |
| 04:32.29 | W8TVI | some one have an extra zaurus that they want to sell cheap? |
| 04:32.33 | cleverdra | rev - console, I suppose. |
| 04:32.38 | rev|z | hobbs: i'd want at least a little qtopia app that automated it, opened stuff up in qpdf for me |
| 04:32.39 | hobbs | rev|z: I actually just lately installed MikTeX on a win2k system. Was easier than I thought. |
| 04:32.56 | rev|z | cleverdra: do you use it? |
| 04:33.11 | hobbs | I got into porting apps to the Z for a while before I broke mine, but I never got that good at it. |
| 04:33.24 | hobbs | "sbagen" was easy. |
| 04:33.49 | hobbs | I tried to make a better (faster) version of zFCEU, and ended up with something that segfaulted no matter what ;) |
| 04:33.53 | rev|z | hobbs: yeah... i was surprised abotu the wealth for good Unix ports for WindowsCE- lots more usable ports than for the zaurus. e.g., usable means not having to put up with an annoying console app... a decent console app is ok though |
| 04:33.55 | cleverdra | rev - not yet. |
| 04:34.15 | rev|z | yeah, i've been meaning to install the cross compilation tools on my work G4 |
| 04:34.25 | rev|z | the zaurus pretty much is my main machine |
| 04:34.34 | rev|z | but i don't really want to dev C or cpp on it |
| 04:34.34 | hobbs | rev|z: yeah -- when I picked it up, I really expected there to be oodles of ports, and they just never came |
| 04:34.46 | cleverdra | annoying console app? I'm more annoyed with the multitude of annoying GUI apps with no docs, configurability, or CLI control. |
| 04:34.59 | rev|z | cleverdra: yeah, that too |
| 04:35.09 | rev|z | i wish qpe had some scripting |
| 04:35.10 | rev|z | e.g |
| 04:35.20 | hobbs | The main stuff I used on my Palm was DateBk4, ShadowPlan, Memo Pad, Address Book, and MathPad -- |
| 04:35.20 | rev|z | i want netfront to automatically download some websites in the AM |
| 04:35.22 | rev|z | no a schedule |
| 04:35.27 | rev|z | before i leave for work |
| 04:35.43 | rev|z | but netfront doesn't have a scheduling ability like that built in |
| 04:35.49 | rev|z | and qpe has no scripting |
| 04:35.51 | rev|z | alas |
| 04:35.55 | cleverdra | I'm a *programmer*, I can habdle good old fashioned flexible CLI programs. |
| 04:35.56 | hobbs | and the default PIM stuff (datebook, address, todo) on the Z just weirded me out :) |
| 04:36.02 | rev|z | hobbs: what is ShadowPlan? |
| 04:36.14 | hobbs | rev|z: part todo-list, part outliner, part kitchen-sync |
| 04:36.20 | hobbs | er, kitchen-sink ;) |
| 04:36.22 | cleverdra | rev - qpe *does* have some scripting, actually |
| 04:36.34 | rev|z | i'd rather have ... components than CLI apps... ok, "components" isn't quite the right word but yeah |
| 04:36.49 | rev|z | cleverdra: in 1.7 or in sharp or oz roms? |
| 04:36.59 | rev|z | hobbs: cool |
| 04:37.06 | cleverdra | rev - enough to tell it to refresh its input methods, restart, and refresh its tabs, at least. |
| 04:37.16 | rev|z | this is why i'm writing dynapad |
| 04:37.31 | rev|z | i want to be able to use my apps according to how i need to do my work |
| 04:37.32 | cleverdra | rev - I only know of OZ's capability. |
| 04:37.39 | rev|z | not just how the designer wants |
| 04:37.43 | hobbs | rev|z: Mostly anything you can do along the lines of scripting anything is with QCOP |
| 04:38.00 | hobbs | and mostly the apps on the Z have very limited hooks |
| 04:38.22 | rev|z | a well designed CLI app can provide something similar, but on unix there is way too much seperatism between CLI apps and GUI... they should both be different parts of one system |
| 04:38.38 | rev|z | is there QCOP in qpe by default? |
| 04:38.43 | rev|z | yeah |
| 04:38.55 | rev|z | i was going to say, the real issue is how much the apps support |
| 04:39.04 | hobbs | rev|z: yeah. You can't not have it. |
| 04:39.11 | hobbs | OZ used it a little bit better though (the buttons app, e.g.) |
| 04:39.22 | rev|z | it is a shame, a good system of hooks like that can really be well... applescript on the mac is a really good example |
| 04:40.04 | hobbs | DCOP on KDE can do some interesting things |
| 04:40.16 | rev|z | yes quite |
| 04:40.20 | rev|z | DCOP is fun to play with |
| 04:41.40 | hobbs | dcop kwin KWinInterface killWindow |
| 04:42.34 | rev|z | mhm |
| 04:43.10 | rev|z | in dynapad you'd say: SystemWindow activeWindow delete |
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| 05:01.31 | find_me | i have a linksys wpc11 card how do i make it to work under slackware 9.0 any pointers ? |
| 05:01.57 | hobbs | that's the PCI one? |
| 05:02.54 | hobbs | oh, no, the PC-card one. |
| 05:03.00 | hobbs | linux-wlan-ng, my friend :) |
| 05:05.25 | find_me | the laptop card |
| 05:06.09 | rev|z | umm |
| 05:06.22 | rev|z | this isn't #slackware or #linuxhelp |
| 05:06.44 | rev|z | not that i personally really care |
| 05:06.48 | rev|z | but |
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| 11:56.05 | George- | hrmm |
| 11:56.19 | George- | bleh |
| 11:56.51 | George- | this IRC client is weird |
| 11:57.09 | George- | heh |
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| 13:52.05 | George- | "uh hi"??!?!? |
| 13:52.06 | George- | :P |
| 13:52.31 | George- | mark: you git. |
| 13:55.27 | mark | George-: what? |
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| 17:45.15 | dougAtWork | anyone want a free zaurus? |
| 17:45.25 | W8TVI_ | ME! :) |
| 17:45.36 | dougAtWork | only 200 dollars, and its yours free! |
| 17:46.04 | W8TVI_ | how about free + shipping? |
| 17:46.11 | dougAtWork | uh huh |
| 17:46.21 | dougAtWork | :) |
| 17:46.52 | W8TVI_ | sell it on ebay, you'll get about $250 |
| 17:47.08 | dougAtWork | yea... I suppose... |
| 17:47.28 | W8TVI_ | seeing that your selling it with the cf card |
| 17:48.15 | dougAtWork | and a USB Charger! |
| 17:48.18 | Solar[X] | brb |
| 17:48.32 | dougAtWork | homemade... and bound to fry someones peecee, but hey, whos liable :) |
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| 23:23.41 | mark | hi George- |
| 23:23.56 | George- | mark: sod off and die |
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| 23:24.08 | mark | George-: what have i done thi s time? |
| 23:24.35 | George- | you haven't learnt the art of capitalising the first letter in your name |
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| 23:35.03 | Mark | George-: this sucks |
| 23:35.14 | George- | why? |
| 23:35.45 | George- | you silly sod. |
| 23:36.49 | fliplap | yeah, capitals are lame |
| 23:37.02 | George- | fliplap: sod off and die |
| 23:37.24 | mARk | George-: thats aka mETz :) |
| 23:38.18 | George- | mark: haahaha |
| 23:38.23 | George- | mETz is cool! |
| 23:48.29 | mark | k |
| 23:48.31 | mark | ofice time |
| 23:48.45 | George- | ofice? |
| 23:48.52 | George- | orifice? |
| 23:49.01 | mark | office |
| 23:49.03 | George- | :P |
| 23:49.03 | mark | fool |
| 23:49.10 | mark | perve |
| 23:49.22 | George- | uh |
| 23:49.30 | George- | how is thinking of a MOUTH being perverted? |
| 23:49.35 | George- | or a EARHOLE |
| 23:49.44 | mark | lol |
| 23:50.00 | George- | you sick bastard |
| 23:50.03 | George- | YOU'RE the bastard |
| 23:50.07 | George- | for thinking I'M a perv |
| 23:50.29 | George- | because YOU fabricated a notion in your head that I was referring to your backside. |