| 00:00.15 | od1n | anyway i gtg |
| 00:00.27 | od1n | getting exam results tommorow :/ |
| 00:00.33 | od1n | bye |
| 00:01.29 | bobbyd | George`Coding: an app using kde, or actually kde? |
| 00:01.38 | George`Coding | a kde app |
| 00:01.44 | mark | bobbyd: there is little diffence |
| 00:01.46 | George`Coding | in the KDE-Edu project |
| 00:02.20 | George`Coding | so technically, it's actually KDE |
| 00:02.37 | George`Coding | but in reality, it's been actually kde for the past 2 years and hasn't surfaced yet :) |
| 00:04.59 | bobbyd | mark: the difference is as I stated, it's either part of the official KDE packages, or it's an app that runs on KDE, but It's a moot point |
| 00:05.25 | George`Coding | bobbyd: well, then it's actually KDE |
| 00:05.37 | George`Coding | bobbyd: actual KDE is normally core KDE (ie - kdebase and kdelibs) |
| 00:05.38 | bobbyd | great ;) |
| 00:05.38 | George`Coding | :) |
| 00:05.41 | mark | bobbyd: yeah, i know, but klatin doesnt spring to mind when you think of 'actually KDE' |
| 00:05.47 | George`Coding | mark: hahahahaha |
| 00:05.50 | bobbyd | ok ok ;) |
| 00:05.55 | George`Coding | rofl |
| 00:06.03 | George`Coding | mark: it does to me you githead! |
| 00:06.12 | mark | :) |
| 00:06.24 | mark | bobbyd: and most kde apps seem to be included in the kde packages |
| 00:06.27 | George`Coding | mark: I'll have you know it was one of the biggest Edu projects when Edu started |
| 00:06.28 | George`Coding | ;) |
| 00:06.38 | mark | lol |
| 00:10.41 | bobbyd | anyone know a good place to get a symbol/socket wlan card in the uk? |
| 00:11.05 | George`Coding | expansys? |
| 00:11.13 | George`Coding | totalpda.co.uk? |
| 00:11.36 | Neo|Work | now I have.. 3 and I need 5 |
| 00:12.00 | bobbyd | Neo|Work: take the pc's top bits ;) |
| 00:12.28 | bobbyd | Neo|Work: oh wait, i have one here you can have, here you go... |
| 00:13.07 | Neo|Work | heh, unfortunately IRC doens't transfer boxes very well |
| 00:13.19 | bobbyd | damn, did it come out crumpled *again* > |
| 00:14.06 | bobbyd | thanks for those links George... |
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| 00:15.45 | George`Coding | Neo|Work: are you packing your computers? |
| 00:15.57 | Neo|Work | I have to |
| 00:16.18 | Neo|Work | I don't _want_ to but I can't drive them down there |
| 00:16.20 | Neo|Work | well, I could |
| 00:16.48 | Neo|Work | but then I'd have to either move them from the card to the extended stay suites place or leave them in the car for 4-6 weeks in superhot weather |
| 00:17.06 | Neo|Work | not to mention having computers in the car is rather good for attracting thieves I gather |
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| 00:26.15 | George`Coding | I'm confused |
| 00:26.38 | mark|sleep | night all |
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| 00:29.07 | kraftwerk | hi there!!! |
| 00:29.16 | George`Coding | mark|sleep: why not? |
| 00:36.39 | bobbyd | night |
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| 00:39.58 | toolafial | Neo|Work: computers in the car only attract theives if the look expensive |
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| 00:40.21 | toolafial | 99.9% are looking for a stereo then don't know their ass from a good computer |
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| 01:08.33 | absentia | quietness? |
| 01:08.38 | absentia | splitsville? |
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| 02:46.55 | rev|z | yoo |
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| 03:05.22 | TCMAN | hi |
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| 03:34.53 | sashz | morning |
| 03:41.32 | sashz | all ppl alreay sleeping? |
| 03:41.39 | Cameron | not all of us |
| 03:41.43 | Cameron | :) |
| 03:41.50 | Cameron | where are you, sashz? |
| 03:41.52 | VampireZIM | hey Cameron |
| 03:41.57 | Cameron | hi there, VampireZIM |
| 03:42.01 | sashz | russia, you have C7x0? |
| 03:42.15 | Cameron | VampireZIM: Btw, is your real name, anyhow? |
| 03:42.53 | Cameron | or will telling me that have the same effect as being exposed to sunlight? ;) |
| 03:43.00 | sashz | who want try custom rom for c7x0? |
| 03:43.04 | Cameron | since you are a vampire after all |
| 03:43.37 | Cameron | sashz: I bought a C700 from VampireZIM, and I'll have received it next week |
| 03:43.59 | sashz | ahhm |
| 03:44.29 | Cameron | sashz: You created a custom ROM? -- what's it based on? |
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| 03:45.22 | sashz | based on sharp rom for c760 :) |
| 03:45.55 | Cameron | I'm still a bit confused on this: Are the Sharp ROM's open-source, or only partially? |
| 03:46.48 | sashz | hehe, no, of course, but it simply extract it and make custom rom |
| 03:47.07 | sashz | like as custom roms for sl-5000/5500 |
| 03:47.24 | Cameron | ok, gotcha -- then you just mess around with the binaries and add/remove stuff |
| 03:47.29 | Cameron | not really changing anything but what's included |
| 03:47.30 | Cameron | right? |
| 03:47.37 | Cameron | no feature changes possible :) |
| 03:47.46 | sashz | no, no, all possible |
| 03:48.08 | Cameron | well, if you are handy @ doing binary edits using a hex editor, yeesh, I guess so... :-/ |
| 03:48.18 | Cameron | there can't be an easier way than that? |
| 03:48.55 | sashz | it easy - read manuals, or go to zaurus.com forum, i already wrote how hack and modufy sharp roms for sl-c7x0 and b500/5600 there |
| 03:50.26 | Cameron | interesting |
| 03:50.42 | Cameron | so what kind of changes have you made? |
| 03:51.30 | Cameron | sashz: and just wondering, but is doing that technically legal or not? Or is it legal so long as it's not distributed or something like that? |
| 03:51.41 | Cameron | Although I'm sure the laws may be different in Russia than here in the U.S. |
| 03:52.27 | sashz | categories tabs for apps, embedded console, antialiasing fonts, added mpegplayer from c700, fdisk, top, mtr, ftp server, and Opera :) |
| 03:53.14 | sashz | Opera illegal, all another ok. |
| 03:53.17 | sashz | :) |
| 03:53.59 | sashz | ah, i also removed all japanese stuff, now all in english |
| 03:55.09 | Cameron | nice, sashz |
| 03:55.11 | Cameron | very cool |
| 03:55.20 | Cameron | sashz: Where did you get your C700 then? |
| 03:55.41 | Cameron | You got a straight Japanese model with no previous ROM modifications? |
| 03:56.43 | Cameron | (Here in the U.S. Dynamism, an importer seems to be the way many people get the Japanese Zauruses. Dynamism has translated "97%" of the ROM to Enlgish, however.) |
| 03:56.44 | sashz | i work for zaurus russian localization, so i have 5000D, A300, and C700,750,760. Company which sell it here in russia , sent it me ;-) |
| 03:56.56 | Cameron | ah, cool |
| 03:57.04 | Cameron | so they're paying you to do this for them? |
| 03:57.31 | sashz | i made full russian localization for SL-A300 and SL-C7x0. |
| 03:57.40 | sashz | yes, of course :) |
| 03:57.42 | Cameron | sashz: why are you going to English then, might I ask? |
| 03:58.22 | sashz | but english can be free, because they not pay me for it :) hehe |
| 03:58.32 | Cameron | alrighty, that's good :-D |
| 03:58.56 | Cameron | I'm new to all of this Zaurus stuff, so I want to ask you what the differences are then between your patched ROM and -- say the one from openzaurus.org |
| 03:59.03 | sashz | simply - english localization allready in ALL zauruses |
| 03:59.19 | Cameron | 100% though? |
| 03:59.28 | sashz | and when Dynamizm said - they made english localizatino - they lie |
| 03:59.36 | sashz | yes, 100%. |
| 03:59.58 | Cameron | but then there are still some Japanese ways that for example the address book is organized, no? |
| 04:00.10 | Cameron | I was sent a screenshot showing this yesterday... |
| 04:00.18 | sashz | in C7x0 only internet wizard and movie player have partially japane messages which inside without translation table |
| 04:00.48 | Cameron | hmm, ok. so that would be the 3% that's not translated |
| 04:00.57 | Cameron | or @ least hacked into using the Enlgish translation table :) |
| 04:01.08 | Cameron | if it's not technically "translation" |
| 04:01.57 | sashz | for internet wizard need ppl who can read hyeroglyphs and modufy script :) i cant :) |
| 04:02.24 | Cameron | of course :) |
| 04:02.33 | Cameron | Doing English is probably hard enough? |
| 04:03.07 | sashz | english - no. |
| 04:03.12 | Cameron | easy? |
| 04:03.23 | Cameron | Are you familiar with Openzaurus? |
| 04:03.27 | sashz | russian - yes , because you need translate all messages from english in russian :) |
| 04:04.04 | sashz | english already inside, and you need only remove japan, than english will turn on automatically |
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| 04:04.15 | Cameron | sashz: gotcha :) |
| 04:04.22 | sashz | me unlike it, :) |
| 04:04.29 | Cameron | heh |
| 04:04.39 | sashz | i runned in on 5000, 750 and 760 |
| 04:04.55 | Cameron | any what is bad about it in your opinion? |
| 04:05.37 | Cameron | sashz: Could you give me a URL for the ROM you've created for the 700 so that I might try it when I get it? |
| 04:05.45 | sashz | BK, aaaa, BK, kergoth like BK, i hate it, and BK unlike me. |
| 04:05.50 | sashz | http://cacko.biz/test321/slc7x0upd1.15.en.zip |
| 04:06.56 | Cameron | sashz: I do not understand what you just said |
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| 04:07.31 | sashz | i said, me unlike BK - project manager for OZ :) |
| 04:08.00 | Cameron | ah, ok, I didn't know who BK is |
| 04:08.20 | Cameron | sashz: and just so you know, "unlike" is not a verb -- you want to say "I don't like" |
| 04:08.31 | Cameron | that confused me too :) |
| 04:08.45 | Cameron | sashz: you don't like him as a person, or the decisions he makes? |
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| 04:10.37 | tag | is there an ipk feed on killefiz.de ? |
| 04:10.49 | Cameron | sashz: (was just looking at the website -- you say "Unlike OZ, you can't easily kill the system ;-)" -- does that mean that people have ruined their Zauruses by using OpenZaurus!? |
| 04:11.05 | Cameron | (scary if so!!!) |
| 04:11.29 | Cameron | or can you always reload the ROM even if it messes up? |
| 04:11.45 | tag | I cant find a decent feed :-/ |
| 04:11.57 | tag | aha |
| 04:12.58 | tag | grr |
| 04:13.25 | Cameron | :( |
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| 04:15.58 | sashz | i have backup and can reload rom with previvous version |
| 04:16.22 | sashz | BK is project manages, software. |
| 04:17.29 | tag | hurm |
| 04:17.33 | Cameron | ah, ok |
| 04:17.51 | tag | I found a half-decent package feed at docs.zaurus.com/feed but it doesn't have all the stuff I want :-/ |
| 04:18.12 | Cameron | sashz: but can you re-flash even if your system rom is totally messed up -- |
| 04:18.25 | Cameron | say the file got corrupted when you transfered the images, but you did not realize |
| 04:18.39 | Cameron | you would mess up the system, but could you recover from this? if so, how? |
| 04:18.59 | Cameron | you'd put the backup on a compact flash card, and the hardware always knows how to re-flash itself? |
| 04:20.11 | sashz | yes, there iniside diagnostic software which you cant kill. |
| 04:20.19 | Cameron | ok, phew :) |
| 04:20.46 | Cameron | sashz: scared me for a moment -- because with a motherboard Flash, for example -- you'd be fucked if the file was corrupt or the power went out or something! |
| 04:21.53 | Cameron | sashz: on the website, your Windwos software development guy looks rather young (Xolog/Maxim) -- I wonder if I'm older than he :) |
| 04:21.59 | sashz | :) in zaurus inside battery, so even if external power off, it will use internal batery |
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| 04:22.45 | Cameron | sashz: right :) but file could still be bad, either because of a programming error or a transfer error, no? |
| 04:22.47 | sashz | he is 20 |
| 04:23.03 | sashz | use md5sum for checksum |
| 04:24.04 | Cameron | funny, looks younger -- maybe it's just a strange angle for a headshot |
| 04:24.36 | Cameron | sashz: but even if there were a programming error and it rendered the system unbootable, you'd still be able to hardware-flash it, no? |
| 04:24.45 | Cameron | re-flash to a working ROM |
| 04:24.53 | Cameron | correct? |
| 04:25.41 | sashz | yes, yes, from low level backup :) ask kergoth, he have expirience ;) hihi |
| 04:26.50 | sashz | i never made it, but for this situation i have backup on my harddrive |
| 04:26.51 | Cameron | lol, I'm sure! |
| 04:27.29 | Cameron | sashz: how do you do a low-level backup and restoration? |
| 04:27.34 | Cameron | is it different than normal flashing? |
| 04:30.16 | sashz | yes, different. but now you dont need it, because we already know how it work and our updates work ok |
| 04:32.22 | Cameron | yeah :) but, sashz, if I didn't do a low-level backup and suddenly for some reason I messed up my ROM (I know it's unlikely), would there still be some way to restore it, although I might lose my settings, etC? |
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| 08:07.50 | tag_ | has anyone had alot of trouble with the libc6 package/ |
| 08:07.51 | tag_ | ? |
| 08:28.46 | tag_ | come to think of it |
| 08:28.53 | tag_ | I seem to be having trouble with all packages |
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| 08:56.05 | aesboe | hi folks |
| 08:56.43 | imk | yo |
| 08:56.50 | aesboe | i needed some help about buying a zaurus c750/c760 |
| 08:57.11 | aesboe | a friend is going to japan and i was wondering what is the cheapest that this thing is available for |
| 08:57.29 | aesboe | in jp, ie |
| 08:58.11 | imk | no idea |
| 08:58.12 | imk | i have a 5500 |
| 08:59.38 | aesboe | hmm...i am a student and i did like to get my hands dirty with one of this things. |
| 08:59.53 | aesboe | if the c7xx stuff is expensive, i might get a 5500 instead |
| 09:01.48 | tag_ | I like the 5500, only because I really like the layout |
| 09:02.19 | tag_ | I've been having a ton of trouble lately though, probably because my broke ass doesn't have a CFII card so I haven't been able to flash it with OZ :-/ |
| 09:04.10 | aesboe | tag_: how is the keyboard on the 5500? |
| 09:04.25 | aesboe | i mean is it good for a 10-finger (ok 6-finger) typists :) |
| 09:05.07 | ChipX86 | you pretty much use your thumbs |
| 09:06.53 | aesboe | God...that must be painful |
| 09:07.05 | ChipX86 | it's not bad |
| 09:07.06 | aesboe | its like dialing a phone |
| 09:09.19 | aesboe | and is the 5600 any better than the 5500? |
| 09:09.31 | ChipX86 | yes, but I haven't used it |
| 09:09.54 | tag_ | aesboe: no? |
| 09:10.08 | tag_ | the thumb keyboard rules |
| 09:10.47 | aesboe | i mean the 5600 only seems to be different in terms of memory |
| 09:10.57 | yeiazel | and battery |
| 09:11.05 | yeiazel | and cpu |
| 09:12.29 | tag_ | it is a pda, not a laptop |
| 09:12.35 | tag_ | the thumb keyboard is awesome |
| 09:12.42 | tag_ | how else could I type while I walk down the street ? :) |
| 09:12.51 | aesboe | tag_: that makes sense |
| 09:12.51 | ChipX86 | yeah |
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| 09:13.34 | ChipX86 | works rather well for many things.. IM, documents, addresses, whatever |
| 09:13.42 | tag_ | as a matter of fact the thumb keyboard, ontop of linux, is what made me want it :) |
| 09:13.43 | aesboe | but the stylus-mode might be faster, u think? |
| 09:13.48 | tag_ | wtf |
| 09:13.50 | tag_ | are you crazy |
| 09:14.06 | tag_ | stylus sucks for text input |
| 09:14.18 | aesboe | i heard that sharp's stylus is cool compared to others |
| 09:14.25 | aesboe | thought might be faster for i/p |
| 09:14.36 | tag_ | it is, but it stylus' suck for text input /by design/ |
| 09:16.08 | aesboe | tag_: :) |
| 09:17.57 | tag_ | I guess I need ipkg-new for these packages |
| 09:18.01 | tag_ | maybe thats why they're fscking up |
| 09:18.45 | aesboe | so which one should i get: it seems that 5600 is almost double the price of 5500 |
| 09:18.52 | aesboe | on ebay atleast |
| 09:19.42 | tag_ | get whichever fits in your price range. |
| 09:23.12 | aesboe | yeah...i think i will get the 5500 if i buy it in US. |
| 09:23.22 | aesboe | If the c7x0 is cheap enough in jp, i will take a shot |
| 09:23.46 | aesboe | places like dynamism.com are ripping off people around here |
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| 09:33.16 | VampireZIM | http://conics.net/shp/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/ |
| 09:33.37 | VampireZIM | i just sold my C700 for $400 |
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| 10:03.45 | aesboe | vampirezim: where did you buy yours from? |
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| 10:54.57 | mark|gotresults | Twiun: :) |
| 11:02.39 | Twiun | mark|gotresults: go on... |
| 11:09.47 | mark|gotresults | Twiun: straight As |
| 11:17.29 | Twiun | !! |
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| 11:32.22 | George`Zzzz | mark|happy: do you know when GCSE results are coming? |
| 11:34.58 | sash | hi george |
| 11:35.21 | Twiun | mark|happy: So... no longer doom and gloom? |
| 11:36.18 | mark|happy | George-: next week |
| 11:36.22 | mark|happy | Twiun: not at the moment, no :D |
| 11:39.24 | Twiun | mark|happy: how are you going to celebrate? |
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| 11:43.33 | George- | mark|happy: grah |
| 11:43.35 | George- | mark|happy: oh well |
| 11:43.53 | George- | mark|happy: if I don't get an A* in any, I'll retake it |
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| 11:50.58 | mark|happy | Twiun: by thinking about oxford colleges :) |
| 11:51.01 | mark|happy | George-: heh |
| 11:52.05 | Twiun | mark|happy: rofl |
| 11:52.09 | Twiun | mark|happy: aiming high |
| 11:52.25 | mark|happy | Twiun: teachers reckon its worth a try |
| 11:53.27 | Twiun | mark|happy: it never hurts, true |
| 11:53.35 | Twiun | mark|happy: I applied to one fo the cambridge ones |
| 11:53.45 | Twiun | mark|happy: didn't get in, but it was intersting |
| 11:53.51 | Twiun | interesting even |
| 11:53.53 | mark|happy | Twiun: yeh, people who dont get in say they're pleased they tried |
| 11:53.56 | George- | I'm aiming to go to cambridge... |
| 11:54.36 | Twiun | mark|happy: the interviewers were a bunch of stuck up 3$%&%$^&$%^7s but the atmosphere was good ;) |
| 11:54.55 | mark|happy | Twiun: hehe, which college? |
| 11:56.19 | George- | Twiun: a bunch of stuck up *?(&@?$%@)? :P |
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| 12:00.11 | Twiun | mark|happy: can't remember ;) |
| 12:00.21 | Twiun | mark|happy: I obviously didn't get scarred enough |
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| 12:13.26 | liyang | (heh, the result are out today aren't they... :) |
| 12:15.26 | mark|happy | Twiun: heh |
| 12:15.31 | mark|happy | Twiun: for comp sci? |
| 12:18.01 | liyang | CompSci? Go for Churchill. :) Jesus also has a rather large contingency of CompSci geeks. <g> |
| 12:18.33 | George`Coding | hehe |
| 12:20.22 | liyang | Caius and Trinity are two of the most stuck-up colleges, IMHO. :) |
| 12:21.49 | liyang | And if you're not from a state school, don't bother applying to King's... they're not going to like you no matter what you do. |
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| 12:23.14 | mark|happy | liyang: when did you apply? |
| 12:23.20 | liyang | (all opinions above are personal and not to be taken too seriously. ;) |
| 12:23.23 | mark|happy | liyang: apparently they've swung the other way |
| 12:23.30 | mark|happy | oh rihgt |
| 12:23.31 | mark|happy | srorry |
| 12:23.42 | liyang | mark|happy: four years ago... |
| 12:24.10 | George`Coding | liyang: which house favours public schools the most? :P |
| 12:24.19 | liyang | George`Coding: <g> |
| 12:24.47 | George`Coding | hrmm |
| 12:24.49 | Twiun | mark|happy: nah, physics |
| 12:24.55 | liyang | George`Coding: I don't think there's much difference, just King's is the exception... (of course, all this is hearsay...) |
| 12:25.01 | George`Coding | heh |
| 12:25.31 | mark|happy | Twiun: tough |
| 12:26.40 | mark|happy | does nayone know anythinga bout VPNs? |
| 12:27.00 | liyang | If anything might make the slightest bit of difference, go for one of the older colleges. But then you'd have to be prepared for uber-stuckupness and extreme collegial bureaucracy. (and I don't recommend this if all you're after is a higher chance of getting in.) |
| 12:27.15 | mark|happy | liyang: George`Coding would love ubger stuckupness |
| 12:27.27 | liyang | :D |
| 12:29.13 | George`Coding | mark|happy: blah |
| 12:29.15 | George`Coding | mark|happy: why? |
| 12:29.24 | mark|happy | coz you're uiber stuckup |
| 12:29.28 | George`Coding | no I'm not! |
| 12:29.30 | George`Coding | ... |
| 12:30.12 | mark|happy | is there any way i can isolate two systems on a network from each other? i want my box to communicate with another, but none of the rest |
| 12:31.34 | tedbundyjr | hi guys: just want to ask some opinion here. my zaurus sl-5500 have 64 MB ROM and 128 MB SD storage, i want to install an openzaurus rom. what kind of zimage do i have to download? 40:24 or 64 (all storage will be as memory). any advice? |
| 12:32.12 | George`Coding | uh |
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| 12:32.25 | George`Coding | get the 64-0 image if you have a huge SD card |
| 12:33.25 | tedbundyjr | George`Coding: installation should be the same as 40:24 right? |
| 12:34.08 | tedbundyjr | comparing sharp 3.1, thekompany 1.0 and oz 3.2 |
| 12:34.32 | tedbundyjr | wups.. what is the best in your opinion? |
| 12:34.44 | George`Coding | I run OZ. |
| 12:34.54 | George`Coding | Anyway, I have work to do |
| 12:35.24 | tedbundyjr | ok about the oz, i sync with outlook. what kind of tools do i need to install? intellisync? |
| 12:35.39 | tedbundyjr | ok George`Coding, thanks anyway |
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| 12:57.14 | absentia | morn' |
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| 13:15.16 | sash | even' |
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| 13:18.11 | Com[Plex] | hey guys. is there a quick way to tell the difference between a 5600 with a pxa250 and a pxa255 ? |
| 13:18.21 | Com[Plex] | by looking at the unit I mean.. |
| 13:21.01 | yeiazel | afaik, there are no 5600 with a pxa255 |
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| 13:25.10 | Com[Plex] | really? |
| 13:25.17 | Com[Plex] | wtf |
| 13:25.37 | yeiazel | never heard nor read of it |
| 13:26.19 | Com[Plex] | wow.. |
| 13:26.35 | Com[Plex] | I was under the impression that they stopped making the 250s and were only making them with 255s.. |
| 13:26.40 | George`Coding | no |
| 13:26.46 | George`Coding | There are no PXA-255 5600s |
| 13:27.03 | George`Coding | there may be a 5600 with a rev 4 PXA-250 which apparently fixed the bugs in the PXA-250 |
| 13:27.43 | George`Coding | prh: well, go port it then :P |
| 13:28.16 | prh | I think kergoth has done most of the work - but.... I can't buildroot cos treke.net is down :O( |
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| 13:44.42 | George`Coding | prh: Find a bloody mirror! |
| 13:49.48 | prh | George`Coding: are there mirrors? |
| 13:50.07 | mark|happy | George`Coding: what are you coding |
| 13:50.12 | George`Coding | prh: somewhere there must be |
| 13:50.15 | George`Coding | mark|happy: take a guess |
| 13:50.30 | prh | treke reckoned he'd be back up this evening |
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| 14:03.19 | tux_mike | ibot: slashdot |
| 14:04.50 | liyang | Has anyone any idea who runs qtsamba? (5600 original ROM) And how would I go about not running it? |
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| 14:14.59 | bobbyd | hi |
| 14:15.09 | bobbyd | any wlan users in here today? |
| 14:16.51 | stew_b_ | I use wlan |
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| 14:39.56 | mark|happy | George`Coding: erm, the george- self destruct module? |
| 14:42.10 | madeddie | if i'm using ppp-over-serialusb the zaurus locks up every once in a while, especially when generating some network traffic |
| 14:42.21 | madeddie | anybody seen this? anything known about this? |
| 14:42.34 | madeddie | (i've got it with sharp, OZ, crow and debian roms) |
| 14:43.05 | George`Coding | mark|happy: idiot |
| 14:44.03 | liyang | madeddie: 'fraid not, I couldn't get serial over IRDA / IrComm working, so didn't bother trying PPP. |
| 14:44.21 | liyang | madeddie: but what's this Debian ROM you speak of? :) |
| 14:44.32 | madeddie | http://people.debian.org/~mdz/zaurus/romimage.html |
| 14:44.39 | madeddie | it's a nice rom to play with |
| 14:45.20 | liyang | Ooh, nice... |
| 14:45.36 | madeddie | same here |
| 14:45.59 | madeddie | i want to use that rom again, but i got my crow/cackow hybrid rom nicely installed and working nicely, so i want to do a complete backup |
| 14:46.03 | liyang | Just got my 5600 Monday this week though, so am still finding my way around. |
| 14:46.30 | madeddie | i stat ppp over serial over usb, then nfs mount a dir om my server, start copying and it might fail after 20K or after 3.5M, it's very random |
| 14:46.36 | madeddie | ah, 5600, nice |
| 14:46.42 | madeddie | i've got an old and battered 5500 |
| 14:47.01 | madeddie | next thing i'm going to get is an old and batterd C75x |
| 14:47.08 | madeddie | which will be in a year or 2 :) |
| 14:47.59 | liyang | madeddie: How much space does the Debian install take up? |
| 14:48.45 | liyang | (hasn't, rather.) |
| 14:49.10 | madeddie | well, depends very much on the extra apps you install |
| 14:49.15 | madeddie | this rom is pretty useless |
| 14:49.22 | madeddie | it's got X and an xterm |
| 14:49.29 | madeddie | but apart from that, it's pretty braindead |
| 14:49.47 | liyang | XMMS? That's all I'm currently using it for... :) |
| 14:49.52 | madeddie | eh |
| 14:50.07 | madeddie | well, xmms is pretty big |
| 14:50.21 | liyang | (I note that the opie stuff have started filtering into the package pool recently...) |
| 14:50.23 | madeddie | so, i dunno, doesn't really fit on my 5500, but you've got some more memory |
| 14:50.46 | madeddie | i use mplayer mostly |
| 14:51.03 | bobbyd | stew_b_: which card do you use for teh zaurus? |
| 14:51.05 | madeddie | nice and easy, mp3, ogg, mpeg1/2 movies, ogm media files |
| 14:51.48 | liyang | Hm. Maybe not then, in that case. |
| 14:51.50 | bobbyd | madeddie: mplayer on opie? |
| 14:52.00 | bobbyd | OZ? |
| 14:52.28 | madeddie | bobbyd: eh, no, mplayer on crow/crackow hybrid rom |
| 14:52.41 | madeddie | i got the packages of an independant site |
| 14:52.48 | bobbyd | ahh so proper mplayer then. and how's the mpeg playback? |
| 14:53.18 | bobbyd | opie player seems terrible at playing back movies on my c700 |
| 14:53.35 | bobbyd | but i have a divx player that does 25fps on my 133mhz gp32... |
| 14:54.09 | madeddie | bobbyd: http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/encoding.html |
| 14:54.31 | madeddie | well, i encode my divx files with ogg vorbis sound streams instead of mp3 |
| 14:54.41 | madeddie | and they play back marvelously |
| 14:54.52 | madeddie | 45 minutes of ren and stimpy in a 50 meg file |
| 14:55.00 | George`Coding | that mdz debian image is out of date |
| 14:55.05 | George`Coding | mdz stopped developing it a while ago |
| 14:55.16 | George`Coding | ibot seen mdz |
| 14:55.17 | | mdz <~mdz@216-15-124-77.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 119d 15h 22m 9s ago, saying: 'but enough off-topic ranting'. |
| 14:55.20 | madeddie | George`Coding: could be, but it still is a nice toy to play with |
| 14:55.28 | bobbyd | madeddie: which zaurus version? |
| 14:55.34 | madeddie | and easier to start with than doing the bootstrap by hand :) |
| 14:55.38 | madeddie | bobbyd: 5500 |
| 14:56.14 | bobbyd | thanks for the link, I'll test it out |
| 14:56.39 | bobbyd | my next purchase is a wifi CF card ;) |
| 14:57.02 | madeddie | hehe, same here |
| 14:57.11 | madeddie | maybe that'll stop hanging my zaurus |
| 14:57.17 | madeddie | i really hope it's in the serialUSB code |
| 14:59.36 | madeddie | George`Coding: and i guess there aren't any other projects for nicely installable debian roms? |
| 15:02.05 | George`Coding | madeddie: yes there are |
| 15:02.08 | George`Coding | madeddie: hang on |
| 15:02.48 | madeddie | ow kewl |
| 15:02.55 | madeddie | always nice to be up to date anyway :) |
| 15:04.39 | bobbyd | George`Coding: post that to the channel? |
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| 15:04.46 | George`Coding | http://www.w-m-p.com/pocketworkstation/ |
| 15:04.53 | madeddie | hehe silly bobbyd |
| 15:05.43 | madeddie | George`Coding: i knew that one, it's not as easy to install as it seems |
| 15:06.03 | madeddie | but, i'll try it this afternoon, doing it a second time always gives better perspective |
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| 15:32.39 | madeddie | hmm, the zaurus-debian-base files are gone :( |
| 15:32.47 | Aimio | hmm |
| 15:34.18 | madeddie | anybody have zaurus-debian-dase-v0.15.tgz? |
| 15:34.25 | madeddie | ehm dase==base |
| 15:34.32 | absentia | don't the urls for it work ? |
| 15:34.36 | Aimio | :( |
| 15:34.42 | absentia | pocketworkstation or something? |
| 15:34.46 | madeddie | absentia: there is no url for it |
| 15:34.50 | absentia | sure there is |
| 15:34.52 | absentia | gimme sec |
| 15:34.54 | madeddie | zaurus-debian-big-v0.15.tgz |
| 15:35.11 | madeddie | but the big is 100M and i want to try the base, which is 60M |
| 15:35.14 | madeddie | unpacked that is |
| 15:35.18 | liyang | (I'm not sure I quite want X on my Zaurus; it _is_ a PDA after all... but Sharp's (and RH's) filesystem layout drives me utterly bonkers.) |
| 15:35.33 | absentia | http://externe.net/zaurus/faq/index.php/ThatsNotAll |
| 15:35.37 | absentia | that' my faq page, go there. |
| 15:36.11 | absentia | ah, you want base.. not big |
| 15:36.13 | absentia | I used big. |
| 15:36.32 | madeddie | i only have a 64meg CF card to test with at the moment |
| 15:36.47 | madeddie | i think the base one got dropped |
| 15:37.14 | madeddie | too bad |
| 15:38.19 | madeddie | well, i'm off TTYL |
| 15:38.33 | absentia | you're right.. all the links point to the same place, and there's no base. |
| 15:38.33 | absentia | sorry. |
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| 15:40.26 | smoyer | Hello |
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| 15:42.31 | tedbundyjr | hi. anybody still alive here? |
| 15:42.54 | smoyer | I have been trying to relocate my OZ onto the SD card (formatted as ext2) and have experienced alot of "corruption" using the instructions at linuxmigration.org. Does anyone know why? I did move the whole /usr/ directory. |
| 15:44.03 | smoyer | I generally notice it because the icons start disappearing, followed by programs that won't launch. Is this a unflushed buffer problem? How do I fix it? |
| 15:52.31 | mark|happy | George`Coding: d |
| 15:52.45 | George`Coding | d? |
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| 16:01.09 | mark|happy | George`Coding: wally |
| 16:04.13 | George`Coding | HOW THE HELL DOES ONE USE GETPWNAM!??!?!! |
| 16:08.36 | liyang | ? |
| 16:08.48 | George`Coding | forget it |
| 16:08.54 | George`Coding | I'm going to kill sadeagle |
| 16:09.09 | liyang | (I'd paste the manpage, but I'm not sure the channel would appreciate that. ;) |
| 16:09.44 | mark|happy | George`Coding: doesnt look particularly difficult |
| 16:10.20 | George`Coding | mark|happy: well |
| 16:10.31 | George`Coding | mark|happy: it is when you're trying to use it to do something it's not designed to do |
| 16:10.38 | mark|happy | which is? |
| 16:10.41 | George`Coding | mark|happy: SadEagle told me to use it, and I'm going to kill |
| 16:10.59 | mark|happy | use it for waht? |
| 16:11.05 | George`Coding | it's to get user information for a given user |
| 16:11.10 | mark|happy | yes |
| 16:11.11 | George`Coding | I wanted to find out the current username :) |
| 16:11.21 | George`Coding | which is bloody stupid if I have to specify the user :) |
| 16:11.52 | mark|happy | heh |
| 16:12.40 | liyang | George`Coding: so what do you know about the user then? |
| 16:12.41 | mark|happy | lol |
| 16:12.44 | mark|happy | how do you do it? |
| 16:13.04 | liyang | (if you want their user name... like their uid? something from the GECOS field?) |
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| 16:16.38 | George`Coding | liyang: I know nothing about the user :P |
| 16:16.41 | George`Coding | mark|happy: getlogin() |
| 16:19.09 | liyang | George`Coding: then how do you know which user you're after? ... |
| 16:19.36 | liyang | (getpwent() will enumerate every entry in /etc/passwd) |
| 16:20.39 | George`Coding | I want the currently logged in user |
| 16:22.44 | George`Coding | wtf |
| 16:22.49 | George`Coding | getlogin() is returning null |
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| 16:28.18 | rev|lib | :D |
| 16:28.20 | rev|lib | er |
| 16:28.22 | rev|lib | yo |
| 16:28.29 | George`Coding | hi REEEEEEEEEVVV |
| 16:28.59 | rev|lib | ? |
| 16:29.03 | rev|lib | why duck you? |
| 16:29.06 | rev|lib | sup georgie |
| 16:29.14 | George`Coding | hi revvy |
| 16:30.39 | liyang | George`Coding: the user running your program, or some other logged in user? (if former: use getpwuid(getuid()) ) |
| 16:30.55 | George`Coding | forget it, I've used getuid |
| 16:30.57 | George`Coding | er.. |
| 16:31.02 | George`Coding | getend("LOGNAME") |
| 16:31.04 | George`Coding | er... |
| 16:31.06 | George`Coding | getenv |
| 16:31.08 | George`Coding | argh |
| 16:31.11 | George`Coding | I hate typos |
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| 16:55.21 | George`Coding | "Hussein Family Can't Bear To Throw Out Uday's Favorite Nutsack Shocker" |
| 16:57.01 | rev|lib | geeeergggie |
| 16:57.27 | George`Coding | you missed the 'o' out |
| 16:57.46 | George`Coding | foooooooooooooool |
| 16:59.15 | rev|lib | mUHAHAHA |
| 17:01.18 | George`Coding | shut up :P |
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| 17:33.01 | rev|lib | mmm |
| 17:33.04 | rev|lib | diet vanilla pepsi own |
| 17:33.19 | absentia | puke |
| 17:33.34 | rev|lib | nah |
| 17:33.37 | rev|lib | i usually hate diet pop |
| 17:33.42 | rev|lib | but i drink way too much regular pop |
| 17:33.54 | rev|lib | so i'm trying to find good non-corn syrup drinks |
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| 18:02.00 | smoyer | I have been trying to relocate my OZ onto the SD card (formatted as ext2) and have experienced alot of "corruption" using the instructions at linuxmigration.org. Does anyone know why? I did move the whole /usr/ directory. I generally notice it because the icons start disappearing, followed by programs that won't launch. Is this a unflushed buffer problem? How do I fix it? I generally notice it because the icons start disappearing, followed |
| 18:02.00 | smoyer | by programs that won't launch. Is this a unflushed buffer problem? How do I fix it? |
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| 18:02.31 | Gepeto | Hi guys: Quick question, anyone in Canada knows where I could get a Zaurus ASAP |
| 18:02.34 | Gepeto | (I really need one now) |
| 18:06.48 | ChipX86 | no clue |
| 18:06.59 | Gepeto | hey ChipX86 :) |
| 18:07.03 | ChipX86 | hey Gepeto :) |
| 18:07.09 | ChipX86 | how's life? |
| 18:07.11 | Gepeto | as you see, I'm a bit compulsive. :) |
| 18:07.22 | ChipX86 | I see that. What happened to wanting to move back to Palm? |
| 18:07.22 | Gepeto | It's boring, but I got sweet sweeeeet revenge from my boss |
| 18:07.34 | Gepeto | I want a Tungsten 2 but...I want kismet on my PDA...so I'm screwed |
| 18:07.42 | ChipX86 | heh |
| 18:07.48 | ChipX86 | when you get the Z, install gaim ;) |
| 18:07.55 | Gepeto | are you crazy :) |
| 18:07.59 | Gepeto | I don't even run gaim on my PC hehe |
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| 18:08.12 | ChipX86 | :P |
| 18:08.14 | ChipX86 | fine then |
| 18:08.20 | Gepeto | I'd ssh to my desktop |
| 18:08.22 | Gepeto | screen -r |
| 18:08.26 | Gepeto | and bam, irc + msn + icq :) |
| 18:09.11 | ChipX86 | oh is that all? |
| 18:09.17 | Gepeto | yes that is all |
| 18:09.28 | Gepeto | I run Jabber only at work |
| 18:09.33 | Gepeto | Don't use aim, yahoo... |
| 18:10.19 | ChipX86 | brb |
| 18:11.27 | ChipX86 | back |
| 18:11.40 | Gepeto | hah, I guess I have to go to work now. |
| 18:11.47 | Gepeto | cgi-irc is my friend... I will be back ! muhaha |
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| 18:21.47 | TCMAN | hi |
| 18:23.12 | George`Coding | mark|happy: sod off. |
| 18:23.30 | imk | smoyer: i used some sh script to setup my SD card... works pretty good... ill dcc you the script if you want |
| 18:23.33 | TCMAN | somehow i cannot connect too freenode from work |
| 18:23.58 | fliplap | TCMAN: maybe freenode ideas are deemed dangerous |
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| 18:24.31 | phoen][x | TCMAN: maybe they fiddled around with the firewall? |
| 18:25.17 | TCMAN | maybe |
| 18:25.22 | TCMAN | i got to ask it guys |
| 18:25.41 | TCMAN | now i use vnc and irc from home computer :) |
| 18:26.00 | fliplap | vnc to irc, seems like overkill :-) |
| 18:26.24 | fliplap | heh, and you allow vnc connections from the outside world? tisk |
| 18:26.42 | phoen][x | TCMAN: thats unencrypted |
| 18:27.11 | George`Coding | hrmm, sounds like MarkNovak |
| 18:27.21 | fliplap | that, and vnc is trivial to bruteforce |
| 18:27.24 | George`Coding | "I've got my box locked down like Fort Knox" |
| 18:27.26 | phoen][x | wait what did he say? |
| 18:27.36 | George`Coding | "Is that why you have an unencrypted VNC server on it?" |
| 18:27.41 | phoen][x | 'my system is as secure as the complexity of my password' |
| 18:27.44 | fliplap | since you don't need a username, you should really tunnel it over ssh |
| 18:27.48 | fliplap | if you aren't already |
| 18:28.03 | TCMAN | phoen][x: yeah so ? |
| 18:28.26 | phoen][x | TCMAN: well, one could better use bitchx/irssi/epic4 over ssh |
| 18:28.34 | TCMAN | probably |
| 18:28.44 | phoen][x | TCMAN: better as in 'more security wise' |
| 18:28.49 | TCMAN | but i nuked bitchx from my firewall box a while ago |
| 18:28.55 | fliplap | it would be easier to use, as well as more secure |
| 18:29.06 | George`Coding | phoen][x: yeh, that was fucking funny too :) |
| 18:29.15 | TCMAN | i dont think there is anyone between me and my home computer listening |
| 18:29.31 | fliplap | TCMAN: brute force attacks |
| 18:29.53 | phoen][x | George`Coding: wasnt his password 'pokemon'? |
| 18:30.01 | fliplap | and thats just silly, there could very easily be someone listening |
| 18:30.19 | George`Coding | phoen][x: hahahahhahahaha |
| 18:32.04 | TCMAN | fliplap: yeah thats possible |
| 18:32.18 | fliplap | TCMAN: plus depending on you vnc implementation, if someone cracks the box another way, many vnc servers store the password in a fixed-key encrypted form, takes only moments to crack |
| 18:32.18 | TCMAN | maybe i should change vnc port on firewall |
| 18:32.43 | fliplap | maybe you should tunnel it over ssh and only allow connections from certain IPs :-) |
| 18:32.43 | TCMAN | fliplap: my vnc works on windoze box behind linux firewall |
| 18:32.45 | imk | heh |
| 18:32.50 | imk | i do vnc over ipsec |
| 18:33.03 | phoen][x | fliplap: maybe he should wipe vnc and use only ssh |
| 18:33.15 | TCMAN | fliplap: if anything they would root my windows box |
| 18:33.19 | fliplap | TCMAN: in that case, it _surely_ stores the password in the registry, in an easily crackable form |
| 18:33.24 | phoen][x | oh right, there is no nice sshd for windows |
| 18:33.39 | imk | phoen][x: there is, actually |
| 18:33.40 | imk | hehe |
| 18:33.50 | phoen][x | imk: yes, a very broken openssh |
| 18:33.56 | fliplap | TCMAN: from which they have a jumpoff to other boxes, and since they've got a VNC session, not just a crappy windows shell, it makes a damn good jumpoff |
| 18:33.57 | imk | http://www.vandyke.com/products/vshell/index.html |
| 18:34.00 | imk | no |
| 18:34.03 | imk | a commercial product |
| 18:34.05 | imk | but its nice |
| 18:34.32 | phoen][x | imk: the question is, if a remote shell login makes sense on windows systems |
| 18:34.41 | George`Coding | I use CGI:IRC |
| 18:34.42 | fliplap | sure it does |
| 18:34.44 | George`Coding | when I'm at school |
| 18:34.49 | fliplap | if you're using cygwin |
| 18:34.58 | imk | dunno, i dont use dos for anything, no reason to keep it around |
| 18:35.09 | phoen][x | fliplap: what could you do (besides shutting the box down) without using cygwin? |
| 18:35.35 | mark|happy | George`Coding: mooo |
| 18:35.39 | fliplap | not a lot, tho if you have a way to get tools onto the box you can still use it as an ok jumpoff |
| 18:35.57 | TCMAN | fliplap: yeah yeah |
| 18:36.15 | TCMAN | i will wait for vnc with ssl :) |
| 18:36.28 | George`Coding | mark|happy: wtf is wrong with you? |
| 18:36.50 | fliplap | TCMAN: why not do it over an ssh tunnel? |
| 18:36.57 | imk | besides |
| 18:37.06 | imk | if you're worried about vnc |
| 18:37.09 | imk | use tightvnc |
| 18:37.14 | imk | the passwords are encrypted as theyre sent |
| 18:37.22 | imk | so its not plaintext over the net |
| 18:37.56 | imk | and then if thats not enough, just tunnel it over ssh |
| 18:38.12 | fliplap | which is really the best solution |
| 18:38.19 | phoen][x | imk: is the data stream encrypted? |
| 18:38.19 | fliplap | besides ipsec |
| 18:38.46 | George`Coding | mark|happy: you are weird |
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| 18:39.17 | phoen][x | George`Coding: maybe its mark novak disguised |
| 18:39.40 | imk | phoen][x: nope... but you can use an encoding format thats not easy for them to decode... or at least its not standard among other vnc clients... |
| 18:39.52 | imk | theyre gonna add data stream encryption in future versions... |
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| 18:40.16 | phoen][x | imk: i'm using vnc in my lan only. never see the point of using it over the net, since i dont like the windows ui anyways. |
| 18:40.39 | imk | change the ui of windows then |
| 18:40.41 | fliplap | yup, i only really use vnc because i'm too lazy to get the other keyboard |
| 18:40.42 | imk | its not hard |
| 18:41.00 | fliplap | my windows box is out of commision right now anyway |
| 18:41.01 | imk | in fact, its easier than changing it in *n?x ;) |
| 18:41.07 | fliplap | no it isn't |
| 18:41.16 | fliplap | even with litestep |
| 18:41.16 | rev|lib | heyyy |
| 18:41.35 | rev|lib | what's easier to change? |
| 18:41.39 | phoen][x | imk: all i would trade it in for is aqua, and it is is not available for x86 boxes.. |
| 18:41.40 | fliplap | changing the nix ui is changing one line in .xinitrc |
| 18:41.44 | imk | how so? download it, toss it in a directory... change a setting in windows to tell it to load that instead of explorer |
| 18:42.30 | fliplap | i can change the nix ui in less keystrokes than someone can in mouseclicks in windows |
| 18:43.01 | imk | fliplap: thats assuming you already have it installed... if you dont... you gotta go download either the source and compile it... or grab binaries... install those one at a time... set up your dependencies... and so on |
| 18:43.05 | imk | its more work from the start |
| 18:43.07 | imk | hehe |
| 18:43.15 | fliplap | imk: or do apt-get install wmaker |
| 18:43.36 | fliplap | hit 'y' and let apt take care of everything |
| 18:43.38 | phoen][x | imk: never heard something about package management stuff, did you? |
| 18:43.45 | TCMAN | fliplap: did you try synergy ? |
| 18:44.03 | imk | phoen][x: no, i'm a complete newb... thats why i do all my data over ipsec and everything... |
| 18:44.14 | imk | yeah... i use fbsd... i use ports... nbsd, pkgsrc... etc |
| 18:44.30 | fliplap | TCMAN: never heard of it |
| 18:44.44 | phoen][x | imk: so why the hazzle of compiling stuff yourself? |
| 18:45.14 | phoen][x | imk: even in fbsd its not more than a 'make install' |
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| 18:45.29 | imk | 1) i like to compile stuff optimized for my system and with the options enabled or disabled as i want 2) i was comparing |
| 18:45.32 | fliplap | some stuff you have to compile yourself |
| 18:45.33 | munky_ | hey |
| 18:45.34 | TCMAN | synergy2.sf.net |
| 18:45.39 | imk | in windows, im just saying... download it... change one thing in windows... its not hard at all |
| 18:45.48 | munky_ | what do you guys do with the 5600 |
| 18:45.51 | munky_ | i cant sync it |
| 18:45.53 | TCMAN | fliplap: one keyboard/mouse to control many computers |
| 18:46.05 | munky_ | i want to backup the data i have now...and flash it with a different rom |
| 18:46.06 | TCMAN | fliplap: original one invented at sgi |
| 18:46.09 | munky_ | how cna i do that? |
| 18:46.20 | fliplap | TCMAN: i've used x2vnc which is alot like that |
| 18:46.27 | imk | TCMAN: that sounds like x2vnc |
| 18:46.31 | imk | er, yeah |
| 18:46.34 | imk | i use x2vnc here |
| 18:46.55 | phoen][x | imk: it wont be optimized for your system in windows |
| 18:47.08 | imk | phoen][x: nope, but i dont really care in windows situation |
| 18:47.11 | TCMAN | fliplap: synergy does only keyboard and mouse but can control many computers, and to switch between computers you just move mouse off the screen and it appears on other computer |
| 18:47.12 | munky_ | I have the 5600 and am running pure linux... i want to be able to sync and reflash the thing |
| 18:47.50 | fliplap | TCMAN: yup, exactly the same as x2vnc |
| 18:48.06 | TCMAN | the funny thing is i read article about microsoft "office of the future" where they boasted about something like that :) |
| 18:48.08 | phoen][x | imk: so allover, it should be the same effort in linux/bsd and in windows. i installed fluxbox in windows one time, and it was fairly easy - agreed. |
| 18:48.23 | munky_ | I have the 5600 and am running pure linux... i want to be able to sync and reflash the thing...how can i do it? |
| 18:48.28 | TCMAN | i have never used x2vnc, so its hard to tell |
| 18:48.34 | fliplap | munky_: try connecting to it via samba |
| 18:48.35 | smoyer | imk: That would be great! I'm also getting a "Bus Error" when I try to use fdisk to create partitions on the device |
| 18:49.00 | fliplap | munky_: to reflash the thing you're gonna need to get the image you wanna flash onto a CF card |
| 18:49.02 | munky_ | fliplap: but then where do i bakc up the addressbook and calender |
| 18:49.16 | fliplap | munky_: onto a CF card |
| 18:49.25 | munky_ | fliplap: i can transfer files on the cf card.... |
| 18:49.35 | munky_ | fliplap: what is the path of that stuff |
| 18:49.46 | munky_ | so illl be able to just bring it back over |
| 18:49.48 | fliplap | munky_: tho honestly i can't tell you how well it works, since i've never used the addressbook or calender |
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| 18:49.55 | fliplap | munky_: there should be a backup applet |
| 18:50.06 | fliplap | in settings, or maybe only OZ has that |
| 18:50.18 | munky_ | what does the backup actually bakcup |
| 18:50.25 | fliplap | i have no idea |
| 18:50.29 | munky_ | hmm |
| 18:50.29 | munky_ | k |
| 18:50.37 | fliplap | i don't really use my Z as a PDA |
| 18:50.43 | munky_ | then as what? |
| 18:50.51 | fliplap | more of a laptop replacement |
| 18:50.53 | rev|lib | a PMT |
| 18:50.54 | rev|lib | (hahaha) |
| 18:50.56 | rev|lib | sorry |
| 18:51.02 | phoen][x | munky_: all application data and packages, etc.. |
| 18:51.03 | munky_ | what do you do on it? |
| 18:51.06 | fliplap | haha, yes, a personal mobile tool |
| 18:51.13 | rev|lib | sorry |
| 18:51.17 | munky_ | phoen][x: what? is that what a backup does? |
| 18:51.25 | fliplap | munky_: IRC, development, ssh, *hrm* security scanning |
| 18:51.30 | munky_ | nice |
| 18:51.33 | fliplap | web browsing |
| 18:51.35 | rev|lib | i just hate when people say on slashdot some bullshit like "the zaurus isn't a PDA, it's a PMT" as if to rationalize that it does a shitty job at al ot of things :P |
| 18:51.36 | phoen][x | munky_: after a hard-reset, a restoration of an old backup would give you the exact state you had before the hard-reset |
| 18:51.54 | munky_ | phoen][x: ok...but even with a different rom? |
| 18:52.04 | phoen][x | munky_: yes. its quite cool. i usually backup to a cf-card once a month. |
| 18:52.09 | fliplap | rev|lib: well, it IS a pretty crappy PDA |
| 18:52.12 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 18:52.18 | rev|lib | it does something very well indeed |
| 18:52.18 | phoen][x | munky_: tkcrom and sharprom work |
| 18:52.21 | rev|lib | but it does others bad |
| 18:52.24 | fliplap | compared to say, Palm. But I'd still rather have a Z than a Palm |
| 18:52.25 | munky_ | btw...im a developer and i want to go all out with i want to run X and have the thing perform to its best ability |
| 18:52.29 | munky_ | whats the best rom to get? |
| 18:52.30 | rev|lib | including things i'd want my "PMT" to do |
| 18:52.45 | fliplap | my buddy bought s Sony SJ-33 with the best buy gift card we won at defcon |
| 18:53.03 | munky_ | k |
| 18:53.06 | fliplap | and i was playing with it, it was like $179, my Z was $169. And the Z does _way_ more |
| 18:53.09 | munky_ | cna i get kde? |
| 18:53.10 | phoen][x | munky_: no X |
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| 18:53.27 | phoen][x | munky_: there is no X for the Z right now |
| 18:53.27 | munky_ | phoen][x: what do you mean no X? |
| 18:53.32 | fliplap | that? |
| 18:53.35 | fliplap | phoen][x: yes there is |
| 18:53.41 | munky_ | i thought there was windowmaker |
| 18:53.50 | phoen][x | munky_: well, there is no rom with a prepackaged X right now |
| 18:53.53 | munky_ | plus my thing runs sluggish often |
| 18:54.05 | rev|lib | how much of a pain in the ass is installing X11? |
| 18:54.06 | fliplap | tons of people use X on the Z. Tho is sorta sucks on the 5x00 series |
| 18:54.08 | munky_ | that doesnt matter...i just wnat the most hardcore best performing rom |
| 18:54.12 | phoen][x | munky_: you can get a X-package from sf.net iirc, but i dont know if you would have the PIM stuff |
| 18:54.18 | fliplap | rev|lib: i've heard not too much if you're using debian |
| 18:54.23 | rev|lib | meh |
| 18:54.23 | munky_ | fliplap: what series is it good on? |
| 18:54.26 | phoen][x | fliplap: there's no rom though, ist there? |
| 18:54.27 | rev|lib | don't want to go through that :P |
| 18:54.29 | phoen][x | s/ist/is/; |
| 18:54.37 | fliplap | munky_: the C7x0 |
| 18:54.40 | munky_ | so which rom sohuld i get and where? |
| 18:54.53 | fliplap | but those are much more expensive |
| 18:54.57 | treke__ | rev|lib: It's not much of a problem to set up x. Shoul djust be a matter of installing the ipk |
| 18:55.02 | rev|lib | i run the sharp ROM |
| 18:55.18 | rev|lib | treke__: ah cool... maybe i'll do it. is there a Qtopia X11 server yet? |
| 18:55.20 | fliplap | tho the more i look at the 760 the more i want one |
| 18:55.23 | phoen][x | munky_: i use sharp rom 3.10 and its quite good |
| 18:55.25 | treke__ | rev|lib: no |
| 18:55.34 | munky_ | i have the origional rom that came with mine |
| 18:55.34 | treke__ | rev|lib: and there probably wont be for a very long time if ever |
| 18:55.38 | rev|lib | ah |
| 18:55.42 | rev|lib | i saw that vnc trick |
| 18:55.45 | rev|lib | but i imagine that kind of sucks ass |
| 18:55.58 | treke__ | why? |
| 18:56.12 | rev|lib | slow |
| 18:56.16 | fliplap | heh, i should install the VNC client for my phone |
| 18:56.19 | rev|lib | the more layers of processign the slower it be |
| 18:56.19 | smoyer | imk: thanks! I think I saw this prooted environment on OZ. Are you having any wierd problems? I messed up my partitions (mmcda1 and 2) so I'm mounted on the device (mmcda). Could this be the problem? How do I fix it? |
| 18:56.25 | fliplap | how useless would that be |
| 18:56.26 | rev|lib | it may be quite usable, i can't say |
| 18:56.30 | munky_ | so no rom recommondations? |
| 18:56.39 | fliplap | telnet from my phone is pretty useless |
| 18:56.43 | treke__ | rev|lib: I didnt think it was noticably slower |
| 18:56.51 | rev|lib | ah cool |
| 18:56.58 | rev|lib | perhaps i'll try that |
| 18:57.00 | imk | smoyer: dunno... i dont have any problems... i use mmcda1 |
| 18:57.01 | treke__ | I just have no use for it, so I dont use it much :p |
| 18:57.09 | rev|lib | mmhmm |
| 18:57.18 | phoen][x | treke__: you'll lost the ability to do PIM stuff with x though since there is no qtopia-xfree.ipk, right? |
| 18:57.30 | treke__ | phoen][x: You wont be able to use qtopia |
| 18:57.33 | imk | smoyer: its nice, too... if i ever fuck OZ up on the SD card... i just pop the SD card out... boot up the normal OZ... pop the SD card back in... fix what i need to fix... then reboot and boot the OZ from the SD again |
| 18:57.35 | treke__ | there are X pim apps |
| 18:57.41 | smoyer | imk: Ah! So the real question is how do I get partitions back on the SD? |
| 18:57.44 | phoen][x | treke__: wasnt there a way to use both? |
| 18:57.45 | imk | smoyer: that way you dont gotta reflash everytime you mess it up |
| 18:58.02 | imk | smoyer: i'm pretty sure theres something in the OZ FAQ about fixing the partitions on the SD |
| 18:58.03 | treke__ | phoen][x: I dont know. It seems like a waste of time to me. |
| 18:58.21 | phoen][x | treke__: x, qtopia, or the Z allover? |
| 18:58.44 | munky_ | anyone use OpenZaurus? |
| 18:58.47 | smoyer | imk: I'll check again ... got a telecon now, but thanks for the help! |
| 18:58.53 | imk | np |
| 18:59.03 | imk | munky_: i'm pretty sure 99% of us do |
| 18:59.08 | treke__ | phoen][x: Trying to jump between both environments |
| 18:59.19 | munky_ | ? |
| 18:59.27 | munky_ | imk: is that the default one |
| 18:59.29 | phoen][x | munky_: the documents tab of the opie version OZ uses is quite useless |
| 18:59.43 | imk | munky_: default one? |
| 18:59.51 | phoen][x | munky_: you should try both oz-3.2 and sharp-3.1 though |
| 19:00.02 | phoen][x | munky_: doesnt hurt to flash them |
| 19:00.03 | munky_ | i have rom versiom 1 |
| 19:00.32 | munky_ | is that the default one? |
| 19:00.41 | phoen][x | 2.38 is the default one, no? |
| 19:00.53 | munky_ | of what |
| 19:01.02 | munky_ | under the "Linux Kernel" |
| 19:01.03 | phoen][x | sharp-2.38 |
| 19:01.18 | munky_ | ROM Version: 1.00 |
| 19:01.40 | phoen][x | 1.00? and you do have an sl-5x00? |
| 19:01.46 | munky_ | 5600 |
| 19:01.50 | phoen][x | oh |
| 19:01.59 | phoen][x | maybe they got other versions |
| 19:02.19 | munky_ | so im gonna get the openzaurus |
| 19:02.52 | munky_ | bbs |
| 19:03.59 | munky_ | do i use the 5500 version? |
| 19:04.53 | phoen][x | heh |
| 19:05.06 | munky_ | ? |
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| 19:05.16 | munky_ | i only ask b/c i have a 5600 |
| 19:05.17 | phoen][x | i would say 'yes' but then i dont own a 5600 |
| 19:05.38 | munky_ | w/e...i can always flash back to dflts right? |
| 19:05.55 | phoen][x | its the same hardware but it comes with more ram, no? |
| 19:06.08 | W8TVI | no |
| 19:06.24 | W8TVI | it uses the PXA255 |
| 19:06.26 | W8TVI | CPU |
| 19:06.27 | liyang | (less RAM, actually... more flash.) |
| 19:06.51 | liyang | Processor : Intel XScale-PXA250 rev 4 (v5l) |
| 19:06.53 | phoen][x | W8TVI: thats an xscale, no? |
| 19:07.00 | phoen][x | right |
| 19:07.02 | W8TVI | it uses a buggy faster CPU (400mhz) that only is as fast ast the 206mhz on in the 5500 |
| 19:07.19 | liyang | How buggy is buggy? |
| 19:07.24 | phoen][x | munky_: flash it, if it doesnt work - reflash it |
| 19:07.51 | W8TVI | liyang: you dont see the extra speed from the extar 200mhz |
| 19:08.03 | imk | liyang: you have a 5600? |
| 19:08.12 | liyang | Yup, got it earlier this week. |
| 19:08.16 | absentia | <W8TVI> liyang: you dont see the extra speed from the extar 200mhz |
| 19:08.21 | absentia | where is the proof of that statement? |
| 19:08.21 | munky_ | the debug is the one that is safe right? |
| 19:08.26 | imk | liyang: can you message me the output of /proc/cpuinfo and /proc/meminfo? |
| 19:08.33 | munky_ | i thought that it could be the one that needs debuging lol |
| 19:08.44 | liyang | imk: sure... |
| 19:08.46 | W8TVI | everyone I've talked to say its no faster than the 5500's cpu |
| 19:08.54 | absentia | that doesn't mean that you don't see 200mhz |
| 19:09.11 | munky_ | which one? |
| 19:09.18 | munky_ | debug or normal... |
| 19:13.52 | fliplap | Antiradiation Safeguard for Cellphones |
| 19:14.04 | fliplap | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.09 | fliplap | do people really believe that? |
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| 19:15.56 | munky_ | hey |
| 19:16.07 | munky_ | is it true i cant use a ext2 card to flash? |
| 19:16.41 | phoen][x | yes |
| 19:17.20 | liyang | So erm, could someone tell me exactly what's buggy about the PXA250? |
| 19:18.49 | munky_ | how do i format it back to normal? |
| 19:19.10 | fliplap | mkfs.vfat |
| 19:19.20 | munky_ | on the pda |
| 19:19.22 | munky_ | or linux? |
| 19:19.36 | fliplap | i dunno if the sharp rom has mkfs.vfat |
| 19:23.17 | munky_ | what is the dev node for the cf slot? |
| 19:23.51 | munky_ | nm |
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| 19:34.48 | munky_ | the two lights are flashing |
| 19:34.53 | munky_ | so i guess i did it |
| 19:34.54 | munky_ | w00t |
| 19:35.18 | phoen][x | it aint *that* hard |
| 19:35.31 | munky_ | its annoying with the little keys :) |
| 19:35.53 | munky_ | btw...if im going to resore can i restore certain things? or does it have to be everything |
| 19:36.14 | fliplap | no idea |
| 19:36.41 | munky_ | k |
| 19:37.05 | munky_ | fliplap: you wanna join my linux forum? i host locally...we are small and need members |
| 19:37.47 | fliplap | eh? |
| 19:37.56 | munky_ | a linux / open source forum |
| 19:38.20 | fliplap | locally meaning what? on your box or in your city? |
| 19:38.30 | munky_ | box |
| 19:38.54 | fliplap | eh, i don't know that another linux forum is needed :-) |
| 19:39.30 | munky_ | :( |
| 19:40.44 | fliplap | just sayin, there's plenty of linux irc channels, newsgroups, and mailing lists |
| 19:40.49 | munky_ | ill give you a free email box |
| 19:40.49 | munky_ | i host it also |
| 19:40.49 | munky_ | 200mb box |
| 19:40.49 | munky_ | hehe...its an incentive to join and post |
| 19:41.05 | munky_ | true |
| 19:42.24 | fliplap | i'm a member of enough projects. I don't have time for more |
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| 19:45.11 | liyang | ookay, so the PXA250, an ARMv5 device, is `buggy' because it runs ARMv4 code at half the speed one would expect it to... So why can't we recompile OZ for ARMv5? |
| 19:45.59 | absentia | you can |
| 19:46.01 | absentia | in fact, there is a kernel for that |
| 19:46.03 | absentia | I've run it |
| 19:46.10 | absentia | I detect no crashes and no speed improvements |
| 19:46.14 | absentia | if I may speak for others |
| 19:46.25 | liyang | so it's the memory bus holding things up? |
| 19:46.28 | absentia | oz won't support it, because it's prone to crashing, or so I may have come to undertand. |
| 19:46.43 | liyang | `prone to crashing?' |
| 19:46.51 | absentia | liy: that appears to be the issue... even with the 750 ... the internal bus seemed to go 2x, but the external was still the same! |
| 19:46.55 | absentia | or so, again, I may have come to understand. |
| 19:47.08 | liyang | as in it crashes with v5 code but not v4? |
| 19:47.19 | absentia | liyang: double-speak for "I don't wanna try it incase anything happens, people will whine that it was the kernel" |
| 19:47.25 | absentia | mine has never crashed. |
| 19:47.26 | absentia | ever. |
| 19:48.14 | munky_ | damn this format is taking a while |
| 19:48.25 | munky_ | if its blinking on and off that means its formatting right? |
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| 19:56.56 | damjan | ChipX86: one question about qpe-gaim... I have a jabber accout setup with it. jabber uses UTF-8 explicitelly... but cyrillic letters in my roster or in messages don't show up correctly. |
| 19:57.02 | absentia | chip.... |
| 19:57.06 | munky_ | hey |
| 19:57.14 | munky_ | come on no one is answering me |
| 19:57.26 | absentia | gaim on zaurus has the same behaviour as gaim on freebsd... I hear the noise after a message or two, but i don't see the messages ... |
| 19:57.27 | rev|lib | good question |
| 19:57.27 | damjan | Also qpe-gaim doesn't even try to send a cyrillic message |
| 19:57.39 | ChipX86 | damjan: gconv-modules or gconv-tiny? |
| 19:57.39 | rev|lib | goes qpe-gaim play sounds? |
| 19:57.41 | munky_ | this is taking a really long time...if the green and orange lights are blinking does that mean its still going? |
| 19:57.46 | damjan | gconv-tiny |
| 19:57.54 | ChipX86 | absentia: you shouldn't hear a noise |
| 19:58.09 | absentia | on the zaurus... I hear a little "brrrrring" out of the built in speaker. |
| 19:58.20 | munky_ | hellp? |
| 19:58.27 | munky_ | *hello |
| 19:58.28 | absentia | and a zzzzzzwing when I send. |
| 19:58.28 | ChipX86 | absentia: qpe-gaim or the gtk gaim for X on the Zaurus? |
| 19:58.29 | munky_ | come on |
| 19:58.34 | ChipX86 | because qpe-gaim does not do that |
| 19:58.53 | absentia | the one from the killefiz recent link |
| 19:58.59 | ChipX86 | it doesn't do that |
| 19:59.19 | absentia | ah, ok, must be gtk... sorry, my mistake |
| 19:59.26 | ChipX86 | if it's the gtk one, it may be a year old |
| 19:59.39 | ChipX86 | but that means you're running X |
| 19:59.40 | absentia | it's the one with the matrix guys on the front... you're right, it's not the zaurus one, it's the apt-get one for debian |
| 19:59.46 | ChipX86 | ah, yeah |
| 19:59.51 | ChipX86 | different thing entirely |
| 19:59.51 | absentia | yes, full debian |
| 19:59.54 | absentia | ok |
| 20:00.36 | ChipX86 | it's also 3 versions behind |
| 20:00.44 | absentia | ya |
| 20:00.47 | ChipX86 | (not your fault, our packager's fault. 0.67 will be out tomorrow) |
| 20:01.09 | ChipX86 | we've had some 300+ bug fixes since your version |
| 20:01.19 | damjan | ChipX86: so what about UTF-8... I can find a gconv-utf8 module in the familiar-0.7.1 feed |
| 20:01.34 | ChipX86 | damjan: I don't know anything about familiar |
| 20:01.36 | absentia | I'm not too impressed with the debian apt-get ... freebsd sees to be much more on top of it |
| 20:01.50 | ChipX86 | damjan: but try it |
| 20:01.53 | absentia | ok |
| 20:01.56 | absentia | not a problem. |
| 20:01.57 | ChipX86 | get that and whatever necessary fonts |
| 20:02.00 | absentia | I was beginning to think it was just me |
| 20:02.01 | absentia | :-> |
| 20:02.07 | absentia | gaim use to work just fine! |
| 20:02.19 | damjan | I have the fonts... is there gconv-utf8 for zaurus?? |
| 20:02.32 | ChipX86 | I use gconv-modules |
| 20:02.35 | ChipX86 | from OpenZaurus |
| 20:03.18 | damjan | hmm.. I'll try... btw qpe-gaim acts like its showing UTF-8 strings as iso-8859-1 |
| 20:03.45 | ChipX86 | maybe |
| 20:03.55 | ChipX86 | the stuff is being passed directly to QTextView |
| 20:04.07 | ChipX86 | I'm not sure if that's handling things wrong or I have to do something special or what |
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| 20:07.55 | damjan | ChipX86: I guess you'll have to make the QString first with QString::fromUtf8... at least for jabber stuff |
| 20:08.11 | damjan | Jabber only uses UTF-8 and nothing else |
| 20:08.25 | ChipX86 | ok |
| 20:08.59 | damjan | familiar has gconv-modules too... but doesnt seem to hav utf-8 support ?!? and I guess its gaim's problem still :) |
| 20:09.22 | ChipX86 | possible |
| 20:10.40 | damjan | I would be happy to solve this issue... but I still dont have a devel environment... what are you using? |
| 20:10.59 | ChipX86 | qtopia-free 1.5 |
| 20:11.11 | ChipX86 | modified gaim CVS. I'll provide a tarball after our 0.67 release |
| 20:11.31 | ChipX86 | I'll try to take care of it in 0.3 |
| 20:11.46 | ChipX86 | going to be unavailable soon.. doing a stream |
| 20:13.21 | damjan | ok.. bye gconv-modules and gconv-unicode did't change anything |
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| 20:15.51 | smoyer | imk: I checked the OZ FAQ and there is information on formatting partitions, but not how to create the actual partitions. |
| 20:16.25 | imk | smoyer: to create it, just run mke2fs |
| 20:20.40 | smoyer | imk: mkfs.ext2 works on mmcda but not on mmcda1 or mmcda2. fdisk gives "Bus Error" on almost all operations. I need to create the partitions, but mkfsxxxx only creates a filesystem on a partition that is ok ... mine's hosed! |
| 20:21.14 | imk | no idea, i just ran mkfs.ext2 on /dev/mmcda1 and it worked... i was able to start copying stuff over |
| 20:21.22 | imk | i know theres a fix for it |
| 20:21.26 | imk | check the mailing list archives |
| 20:21.28 | smoyer | imk: This is the first time I've ever created a filesystem on a block device as opposed to a partition on a block device. |
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| 20:22.25 | imk | smoyer: here, i found this searching through it |
| 20:22.34 | imk | I formatted the /dev/mmcda device instead of the /dev/mmcda1 device ( could this be the problem?). |
| 20:22.37 | imk | ... |
| 20:22.38 | imk | It certainly is. The /dev/mmcda device is the whole, raw device. /dev/mmcda is the first partition on the device. By formatting /dev/mmcda you have overitten the partition table and whatever useful stuff was there! |
| 20:22.42 | imk | You need to fdisk /dev/mmcda and recreate the partition (just make it as big as the device will allow) and then reformat /dev/mmcda1 |
| 20:23.10 | smoyer | imk: which mailing list was that on? |
| 20:23.20 | imk | openzaurus-users |
| 20:24.10 | smoyer | fdisk /dev/mmcda gives "Bus Error" on creation of partition. This is a brand new card (got it Monday) so I don't think its bad. |
| 20:25.10 | imk | no idea |
| 20:25.14 | imk | i have a sandisk 256mb sd card |
| 20:25.16 | imk | works fine |
| 20:27.33 | smoyer | imk: That's what I have ... only $60 after rebates at Best Buy this week! |
| 20:28.28 | imk | cool |
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| 20:35.41 | smoyer | imk: Mailing list says fdisk in busybox is to be avoided, use util-linux package instead. Thanks for the help! |
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| 21:13.52 | smoyer | bye |
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| 21:16.51 | tag_ | I have a SL5500 how big of a sandisk card can I get, does it matter? |
| 21:17.11 | fliplap | too the moon |
| 21:17.15 | fliplap | to the moon even |
| 21:19.07 | rev|lib | wiwza |
| 21:19.10 | tag_ | oh, so as big as I can find one? Sweeet :) |
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| 21:20.48 | tag_ | also does anyone know where I can get my zaurus fixed? Theres a little crack in the screen :-/ |
| 21:21.27 | fliplap | sharp? |
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| 23:04.17 | OliverTwisted | any java guys in here? |
| 23:05.43 | rev|lib | hhellllll no |
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| 23:05.45 | rev|lib | er |
| 23:05.48 | rev|lib | :p |
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