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| 04:09.40 | VampireZIM | penny |
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| 05:23.13 | rev | gotta admit |
| 05:23.26 | rev | gaim for the Z is slick |
| 05:24.31 | VampireZIM | if you can get it to work. :/ |
| 05:24.43 | VampireZIM | better than kmerlin? |
| 05:24.58 | VampireZIM | or ZIC? |
| 05:24.59 | treke|home | VampireZIM: having problems getting it to work? |
| 05:25.14 | treke|home | it doesnt really compare to zic |
| 05:25.17 | treke|home | zic is an irc client :) |
| 05:25.23 | VampireZIM | i messed with it, but it was not working, i couldnt get it to show any protocols |
| 05:25.34 | VampireZIM | i thougnt gaim did irc also |
| 05:25.56 | treke|home | it can do some irc stuff |
| 05:26.02 | VampireZIM | some? |
| 05:26.07 | VampireZIM | either it does or it doesnt |
| 05:26.08 | treke|home | at this point qpe-gaim isnt a usable irc client :) |
| 05:26.12 | treke|home | VampireZIM: Some. |
| 05:26.27 | VampireZIM | that doesnt make sense, will it connect to IRC servers? |
| 05:26.31 | treke|home | yes it will |
| 05:26.42 | treke|home | But since you cant join channels it doesnt do much practically |
| 05:26.57 | VampireZIM | lol |
| 05:27.24 | VampireZIM | oh well, Thursday my C700 ships out to its new owner |
| 05:27.27 | VampireZIM | :/ |
| 05:27.51 | treke|home | ChipX86 does plan on implementing join at some point though |
| 05:28.29 | VampireZIM | i was going to get a C760 in the near future, but i might end up getting an ultra small notebook instead |
| 05:29.09 | rev | well |
| 05:29.11 | rev | for one |
| 05:29.17 | rev | i am ircing with gaim |
| 05:29.20 | rev | for two |
| 05:29.43 | rev | no problems.. added it to my feed list and installed in the specified order |
| 05:29.44 | treke|home | rev: How did you get in channel? |
| 05:29.54 | rev | and three... never used kmerlin |
| 05:30.02 | treke|home | maybe he added it in the past few days |
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| 05:30.20 | rev | i just typed /join #zaurus in the nicjserv msg that popped up |
| 05:31.03 | treke|home | that didnt work when I tried. Cool if it does now |
| 05:33.15 | rev | k |
| 05:33.21 | rev | one question tho |
| 05:33.42 | rev | it seperates chats and IM/msg sessions |
| 05:34.01 | rev | so |
| 05:34.12 | rev | someone im'd me via aim |
| 05:34.30 | rev | and these 3 tabs disapear |
| 05:34.32 | rev | but |
| 05:34.35 | ChipX86|Coding | i'll answer questions in a few. Phone |
| 05:34.48 | rev | when i X out the IM, these come back |
| 05:34.48 | djr | yeah |
| 05:34.52 | rev | ah k |
| 05:34.52 | djr | and you close that aim tab |
| 05:34.53 | djr | they all appear |
| 05:34.57 | djr | i have that prob too |
| 05:35.05 | rev | can i flip back and forth? |
| 05:41.16 | rev | hellp? |
| 05:41.19 | rev | er |
| 05:41.21 | rev | hello |
| 05:41.24 | ChipX86|Coding | one sec rev |
| 05:41.26 | rev | am i still on? |
| 05:41.29 | rev | no prob |
| 05:41.50 | rev | just wanted to see if i was still connected :) |
| 05:51.38 | ChipX86|Coding | back |
| 05:51.44 | ChipX86|Coding | ok, answer time |
| 05:51.58 | ChipX86|Coding | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.37 | ChipX86|Coding | it separates chats and IM/msg sessions, but this is actually overrideable in prefs. You could hand-modify the prefs.xml, but you'd have to know the key and value. I'll be providing a user-settable pref in a dialog in 0.2 I think |
| 05:53.05 | ChipX86|Coding | so the reason you see another set of tabs when you close hte last one is because they're actually multiple windows, kind of.. though in this case, more like stacked widgets |
| 05:53.35 | ChipX86|Coding | you can flip back and forth by tap and holding the window button in the top-right. It'll bring down a menu of all active conversations (though not chats apparently.. bug) |
| 05:56.03 | djr | hmm |
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| 07:05.42 | W8TVI | night all |
| 07:05.49 | VampireZIM | bi |
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| 07:28.55 | _FanLinux | Hi' Everybody's!! |
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| 07:55.20 | cor4ock | hello? |
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| 07:56.14 | cor4ock | yo |
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| 08:20.55 | TCMAN | hi |
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| 08:21.39 | _RfXunil | Hi an Energy !!!! ;_)__ |
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| 08:25.08 | cor4ock | hi |
| 08:25.35 | VampireZIM | so you said |
| 08:25.44 | VampireZIM | and then what? |
| 08:25.46 | cor4ock | where in this useless goddamned country canada can i buy a zaurus? |
| 08:26.00 | VampireZIM | hehe |
| 08:26.21 | VampireZIM | that problem is world wide, seems they are disapearing, the only place they seem to be thriving is in Japan |
| 08:26.32 | VampireZIM | i think mail order is your only option |
| 08:26.42 | cor4ock | ack |
| 08:26.49 | cor4ock | well compaq it is then i gues |
| 08:26.49 | VampireZIM | what model are you looking for? |
| 08:26.57 | VampireZIM | you can get them on EBAY |
| 08:27.17 | cor4ock | i donno |
| 08:27.28 | VampireZIM | i just sold my C700 |
| 08:27.37 | VampireZIM | C7x0 Zaurus is the best pda on the planet |
| 08:29.14 | cor4ock | are u a real vampire? |
| 08:29.48 | VampireZIM | of course |
| 08:30.09 | VampireZIM | i would be pretty stupid to call myself something i am not, just as i am sure you are a real cor4ock |
| 08:30.12 | cor4ock | but blood is gross |
| 08:30.43 | VampireZIM | so, are you rich? |
| 08:30.46 | VampireZIM | get a C7x0 |
| 08:30.48 | VampireZIM | they rule |
| 08:31.12 | cor4ock | who makes that? |
| 08:31.18 | VampireZIM | SHARP |
| 08:31.22 | VampireZIM | its the new ZAURUS! |
| 08:31.40 | VampireZIM | http://conics.net/shp/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/ |
| 08:31.53 | VampireZIM | 640X480 res screen, its fucking nice |
| 08:31.54 | cor4ock | well i cant afford jack shit fuck all |
| 08:32.12 | VampireZIM | then why do you care where they sell zaurus? |
| 08:32.28 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: if its best pda why have you sold it ? :))))) |
| 08:32.38 | VampireZIM | needed the money |
| 08:32.38 | cor4ock | its just dreams i guess |
| 08:33.37 | VampireZIM | and i have decided, the only use for a pda is wireless internet and since i didnt have bluetooth working, it was useless to me, so instead of spending more money to make it work for me, i decided the money could be used better to get a new company started |
| 08:34.24 | cor4ock | VampireZIM: what company? |
| 08:34.39 | VampireZIM | my company |
| 08:34.49 | cor4ock | what kind of company? |
| 08:35.03 | VampireZIM | adult related |
| 08:35.12 | cor4ock | oh |
| 08:35.17 | cor4ock | good idea |
| 08:35.34 | cor4ock | i wanna start an e commerce website myself |
| 08:35.34 | VampireZIM | sure |
| 08:35.58 | cor4ock | but what am i gonna sell dude |
| 08:36.00 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: pr0n site!!!! |
| 08:36.05 | VampireZIM | i want to live on Voyager |
| 08:36.11 | djr | heh |
| 08:36.26 | cor4ock | yes please direct us to your hot3l erotica lad |
| 08:36.36 | VampireZIM | blah |
| 08:36.59 | djr | you'd be surprised how much adult sites make... the company i work for sells adult videos as one of their sources of income... and it happens to be the largest source of incoming... each video can turn in at least $10-$20 profit easily... so if its a bust site, youre making lots of money |
| 08:37.14 | djr | er |
| 08:37.15 | djr | s/bust/busy |
| 08:37.20 | TCMAN | i can imagine |
| 08:37.33 | VampireZIM | i havent had a real job in 2 years |
| 08:37.40 | djr | i get to work on their lingerie store next, hehe |
| 08:37.43 | VampireZIM | and i work about 1 hour a week at most |
| 08:37.44 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: i have nothing agains pr0n sites |
| 08:37.50 | djr | i have a feeling my gf is gonna be getting some free lingerie soon |
| 08:37.50 | djr | hehe |
| 08:37.52 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: but there are zillions of them |
| 08:38.09 | cor4ock | and that money cant go into bigger breasts and vaginas...overnight jobs at the breast and penis clinic |
| 08:38.12 | VampireZIM | TCMAN; thank you for that marketing info |
| 08:38.19 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: its hard to be noticed in the noise i think |
| 08:38.35 | VampireZIM | not if you do something different |
| 08:38.42 | djr | nah, just make a quality site that actually provides content... rather than banners to more sites... and banners everywhere |
| 08:38.45 | djr | hehe |
| 08:38.48 | djr | no 45 popups |
| 08:38.55 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: different means perverted or better ? |
| 08:38.56 | djr | it'll gain its ranks |
| 08:39.07 | VampireZIM | my stuff is barely PG13 |
| 08:39.24 | djr | that sounds kinda pedophilish |
| 08:39.25 | djr | hehe |
| 08:39.41 | VampireZIM | its legal |
| 08:39.48 | cor4ock | vaginally its a good idear |
| 08:39.53 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: people with big flat panels need quality content! :))) |
| 08:40.09 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: i am serious now |
| 08:40.16 | djr | i personally run an asian scan site with high high quality images and 0 banners |
| 08:40.17 | djr | hehe |
| 08:40.50 | TCMAN | there are little sites with high quality stuff |
| 08:41.01 | VampireZIM | whats high quality? |
| 08:41.12 | TCMAN | and old good pr0n sites suck because they still have lowres content :) |
| 08:41.24 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: like 1600x1200 and up |
| 08:41.28 | VampireZIM | lol |
| 08:41.33 | VampireZIM | no one wants that size |
| 08:41.36 | cor4ock | ive been thinking about throwing away the technology ive been born into and then killing myself after reaching ultimate simplicity...sound like a plan stan? |
| 08:41.38 | djr | thats all my stuff is |
| 08:41.40 | VampireZIM | it loads too slow and you have to scroll |
| 08:41.46 | djr | 25000 high quality pics |
| 08:41.52 | djr | totalling gbs and gbs and gbs of space |
| 08:42.05 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: lots of people have 1600x1200 desktops |
| 08:42.21 | VampireZIM | its too high |
| 08:42.33 | djr | and... my sites not meant to look at picture per picture and beat off... hehe... its more of a collection than a site... and its just idol stuff |
| 08:42.37 | VampireZIM | i have had people bitch about file sizes on 1024X768 |
| 08:42.39 | djr | i have a 2048x1536 desktop |
| 08:42.46 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: there are couple sites that have cool stuff |
| 08:44.39 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: hq content suck for people with modems and stuff |
| 08:45.00 | VampireZIM | well you are wasting Voyager time |
| 08:45.01 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: but there are many geeks with broadband and high resolution big displays |
| 08:45.03 | VampireZIM | bbl |
| 08:45.07 | TCMAN | :))) |
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| 08:46.20 | cor4ock | aaaah.....the greedy corporate beasts |
| 08:46.49 | cor4ock | oh i dont mean you |
| 08:46.50 | cor4ock | i mean the greedy corporate beasts |
| 08:47.26 | cor4ock | scary as hell |
| 08:47.45 | darmou | Is there anyone using the tkcRom? |
| 08:47.47 | TCMAN | cor4ock: what happened to you ? |
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| 08:49.06 | cor4ock | nothing happened |
| 08:49.08 | cor4ock | and i dont think anything will happen |
| 08:50.06 | cor4ock | sometimes i think it would be better to forget everything and try to learn to walk again |
| 08:51.13 | VampireZIM | your nuts |
| 08:51.19 | TCMAN | cor4ock: what are you bitching about ? |
| 08:51.45 | cor4ock | im nuts? your a blood sucking smut peddlar |
| 08:51.50 | cor4ock | ? |
| 08:51.57 | VampireZIM | so? |
| 08:52.05 | VampireZIM | what does that have to do with you being nuts? |
| 08:52.08 | cor4ock | ya your right im nuts |
| 08:52.29 | TCMAN | and whats wrong with selling some pictures ? |
| 08:53.16 | cor4ock | ok im gonna go get nuts in bed |
| 08:54.28 | cor4ock | ya im wrong and your right |
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| 14:22.50 | sashz | evening |
| 14:24.26 | hardwire | neat |
| 14:24.35 | hardwire | zaurus cameo in the movie Agent Cody Banks |
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| 15:41.09 | George`Coding | sashz: yo |
| 15:41.15 | George`Coding | hrmm, bit late |
| 15:41.16 | George`Coding | heh |
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| 15:47.06 | rev|lib | yoo |
| 15:47.22 | phoen][x | b00 |
| 15:51.23 | rev|lib | m00 |
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| 15:51.49 | rev|lib | ah |
| 15:51.51 | rev|lib | that's better |
| 15:53.54 | phoen][x | f00 |
| 15:54.01 | rev|lib | r000 |
| 15:54.17 | rev|lib | http://www.d.umn.edu/~reic0024/squeak/sq-w-theme.jpg |
| 15:54.24 | rev|lib | ack, sorry |
| 15:54.26 | rev|lib | wrong tab :/ |
| 15:54.48 | phoen][x | not to mention p00 |
| 15:54.53 | rev|lib | mmm |
| 15:54.54 | rev|lib | poooo |
| 15:55.30 | absentia | re rev |
| 15:55.41 | rev|lib | sup |
| 15:56.01 | sashz | George hi, |
| 15:56.13 | sashz | what u use - C700 ? |
| 15:56.30 | phoen][x | george SNEAKED PAST THE BUN |
| 15:56.32 | rev|lib | george has a 5000D IIRC |
| 15:57.03 | phoen][x | yeah |
| 15:57.09 | sashz | assssssshit. who use c7x0 ? |
| 15:57.13 | phoen][x | and a broken tibook :) |
| 15:57.14 | sashz | ok |
| 15:57.16 | sashz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.30 | phoen][x | rev|lib: you rich sucker |
| 15:57.36 | rev|lib | nah, just lucky |
| 15:57.40 | rev|lib | i'm quite poor |
| 15:57.51 | rev|lib | and not just very unwise about technology purchsaes either :P |
| 15:58.01 | rev|lib | well |
| 15:58.04 | phoen][x | you could get a full-featured notebook for the price of the c760 |
| 15:58.06 | rev|lib | not just lucky |
| 15:58.13 | rev|lib | lucky and doing work |
| 15:58.13 | rev|lib | yup |
| 15:58.16 | rev|lib | but i didn't pay for it |
| 15:58.19 | rev|lib | and |
| 15:58.27 | rev|lib | for whati 'm working on, i'd much rather have a C760 than a notebook |
| 15:58.36 | rev|lib | but for $800, a notebook couldn't be that full featured |
| 15:58.40 | rev|lib | unless you bought a used ibook i suppose |
| 15:58.57 | phoen][x | wouldnt be a centrino with wifi and bluetooth, yes |
| 15:58.59 | sashz | revlib, want try my custom rom for c760? :) |
| 15:59.09 | rev|lib | sashz: maybe ... what dose it do? |
| 16:00.13 | treke | I dunno. Notebooks are getting really cheap these days :) |
| 16:00.30 | George`Coding | I SNEAK PAST TO BLOODY BUN! |
| 16:01.28 | George`Coding | phoen][x: My tibook is WORKING! |
| 16:01.38 | phoen][x | George`Coding: hahahaha, good joke man |
| 16:01.40 | mark | George`Coding: moo |
| 16:01.48 | phoen][x | so whats broken this time? |
| 16:01.59 | George`Coding | nothing. |
| 16:02.10 | sashz | english, no japan, + opera + console + app tabs + new icons... not so much |
| 16:02.27 | rev|lib | ah |
| 16:02.28 | rev|lib | well |
| 16:02.29 | sashz | who have c700 and c750 also can try it :) |
| 16:02.39 | rev|lib | the icons on my 760 are hideous |
| 16:03.11 | phoen][x | George`Coding: not even a minor borkage? |
| 16:03.18 | George`Coding | phoen][x: no |
| 16:03.38 | phoen][x | damn, looks like i need to call those guys again :) |
| 16:04.12 | rev|lib | man |
| 16:04.22 | rev|lib | i wish some other scripting languages supported writting apps for qtopia |
| 16:04.44 | phoen][x | like visual basic? ;) |
| 16:04.53 | rev|lib | well |
| 16:04.56 | rev|lib | i could do without that |
| 16:05.00 | rev|lib | but something basic ish would be passable |
| 16:05.02 | rev|lib | like REALbasic |
| 16:05.08 | rev|lib | or Dialect |
| 16:05.13 | rev|lib | which is what i usally used on WinCE |
| 16:05.30 | rev|lib | although with winCE, at least i could get perl/tk and tcl/tk and a bunch of others |
| 16:05.45 | rev|lib | well |
| 16:05.46 | rev|lib | me too |
| 16:05.49 | rev|lib | or at least i used to |
| 16:05.51 | rev|lib | but meh |
| 16:05.56 | rev|lib | i'm too old for that shit these days |
| 16:06.03 | rev|lib | i'll use basic if it is the best tool for the job |
| 16:06.17 | rev|lib | VB itself as a language is shite |
| 16:06.23 | rev|lib | VB6 and under at least |
| 16:06.30 | rev|lib | but there are better attempts |
| 16:06.42 | rev|lib | again, like REALbasic- it even has real live classes!@$ woot! |
| 16:07.32 | phoen][x | python, java and c++ are fine for me |
| 16:07.38 | treke | vb can be the best tool for the job? :p |
| 16:07.50 | rev|lib | well, in my case, VB has never been the right tool for the job |
| 16:07.55 | rev|lib | i've always used REALbasic |
| 16:08.06 | rev|lib | i've not had deploy to windoze machines very often |
| 16:08.13 | rev|lib | and when i have had to |
| 16:08.22 | rev|lib | RB compiles to Mac classic, Mac OS X and Windows |
| 16:08.59 | sashz | GW-Basic is super basic |
| 16:09.05 | rev|lib | haha |
| 16:09.08 | George`Coding | woooooot |
| 16:09.10 | rev|lib | well |
| 16:09.18 | rev|lib | i'm sure there are many BASICA/GWBASIC clones for the Z |
| 16:09.18 | George`Coding | STOP DISCUSSING BASIC! :) |
| 16:09.24 | rev|lib | but i want something i can do GUI coding with :P |
| 16:10.21 | rev|lib | it'd be nice to have REBOL/view for the Z |
| 16:11.11 | phoen][x | goto 10 |
| 16:11.33 | rev|lib | see |
| 16:11.38 | rev|lib | that's old, shitty basic |
| 16:11.42 | rev|lib | basic has grown, fortunately |
| 16:11.58 | rev|lib | to an extent at least |
| 16:12.00 | liyang | (un) |
| 16:12.02 | absentia | I haven't coded in basic... in 20+ years? |
| 16:12.03 | phoen][x | its 'line.goto(10)' now? |
| 16:12.09 | rev|lib | haha |
| 16:12.11 | rev|lib | nah |
| 16:12.16 | absentia | but it was neat to see the obfuscated C contest entry/winner with the basic and the lunar lander. |
| 16:12.21 | phoen][x | to reflect the OO aspect? |
| 16:12.30 | rev|lib | :P |
| 16:12.37 | absentia | why program basic |
| 16:12.38 | absentia | when you can program perl |
| 16:12.46 | sashz | 10 goto 10 |
| 16:12.47 | rev|lib | because you can't do gui programing with perlo n the Z |
| 16:12.47 | absentia | hey chip |
| 16:12.52 | absentia | I see that gaim 0.1 was released |
| 16:12.54 | absentia | I'll try it tonight. |
| 16:12.55 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 16:13.01 | rev|lib | and perl is a pain in the ass if you don't feel like going through the trouble :) |
| 16:13.02 | phoen][x | why program anyways when you dont have to? |
| 16:13.07 | absentia | you want to do gui programming with BASIC on the Z? |
| 16:13.09 | absentia | are you NUTS? |
| 16:13.10 | ChipX86 | programming is fun |
| 16:13.13 | rev|lib | yes |
| 16:13.16 | rev|lib | programming is totally fun |
| 16:13.20 | rev|lib | and how else will i get my work done? |
| 16:13.21 | rev|lib | i maen |
| 16:13.22 | absentia | ya, I'm learning python... so I can do gui programming on the Z |
| 16:13.22 | ChipX86 | it's something that is enjoyable. A hobby. |
| 16:13.22 | rev|lib | shit |
| 16:13.32 | rev|lib | the Z doesn't have apps for anything |
| 16:13.35 | absentia | I program all my work too |
| 16:13.36 | phoen][x | programming basic aint fun imo though |
| 16:13.39 | absentia | but not in vb! |
| 16:13.42 | rev|lib | someone's got to provide me with some functionality |
| 16:13.50 | rev|lib | i do most of my programming in smalltalk |
| 16:13.50 | absentia | perl and python |
| 16:13.54 | absentia | give you all you want |
| 16:13.54 | rev|lib | but |
| 16:14.01 | absentia | rev: I know. |
| 16:14.09 | rev|lib | i want at least one languiage i can do programming in for the qtopia environment |
| 16:14.14 | rev|lib | i can settle for python, but mehh |
| 16:14.16 | phoen][x | rev|lib: true. maybe they should finally add some evolution<>zaurus sync-tool |
| 16:14.18 | absentia | ya |
| 16:14.30 | absentia | :-/ |
| 16:14.34 | rev|lib | phoen][x: or a newsreader. or an RSS aggregator. or damn near anything. |
| 16:14.52 | rev|lib | everyone goes on and on to newbies about how many apps the Z has |
| 16:14.57 | phoen][x | near anything would suffice |
| 16:15.00 | rev|lib | they don't mention about how most of them require X11 or curses heh |
| 16:15.07 | rev|lib | rather than being natively qtopia |
| 16:15.17 | absentia | well |
| 16:15.20 | absentia | I want to get a 750 |
| 16:15.22 | absentia | so I can have 64mb ram |
| 16:15.24 | phoen][x | just switch to X and use the familiar stuff? |
| 16:15.26 | absentia | I installed the full debian on the Z |
| 16:15.30 | absentia | now I have... what... 10,000 apps? |
| 16:15.35 | absentia | (well, freebsd claims 10K apps) |
| 16:15.50 | absentia | apt-get |
| 16:15.51 | absentia | bewm |
| 16:15.51 | absentia | done |
| 16:15.53 | absentia | ? |
| 16:15.54 | rev|lib | wow, how exciting- i can use a mishmash of poorly designed x11 apps on my PDA now too! |
| 16:16.02 | rev|lib | to each her own i say |
| 16:16.03 | rev|lib | but for me |
| 16:16.06 | absentia | what are you trying to get to? |
| 16:16.10 | rev|lib | i'm not going to put up with that |
| 16:16.14 | absentia | ah |
| 16:16.15 | absentia | ok |
| 16:16.24 | rev|lib | i don't even put up with it onmy desktop anymore :P |
| 16:16.32 | absentia | me either |
| 16:16.52 | phoen][x | rev|lib: i played around with an ipaq running familiar, and its quite neat |
| 16:16.56 | rev|lib | oh, i have too |
| 16:16.57 | rev|lib | it is neat |
| 16:17.08 | absentia | so |
| 16:17.08 | rev|lib | but it's not what i want on my pda |
| 16:17.10 | absentia | run full dbian |
| 16:17.12 | rev|lib | a lot of things are 'neat' |
| 16:17.14 | absentia | ah |
| 16:17.17 | absentia | what DO you want ? |
| 16:17.20 | rev|lib | like AROS or PicoGUI |
| 16:17.27 | rev|lib | i want a functional PDA |
| 16:17.32 | rev|lib | hell |
| 16:17.32 | absentia | to do... |
| 16:17.34 | absentia | what funcations? |
| 16:17.41 | phoen][x | rev|lib: i considered it more useful than my sharp-rom |
| 16:17.51 | absentia | see, for me... to run vnc on the pda.. and use a laptop to dev on it... |
| 16:17.57 | absentia | and then take that device with me when I go place or travel |
| 16:17.58 | absentia | is the best |
| 16:18.03 | phoen][x | s/than/as/; |
| 16:18.13 | absentia | notice how verizon is turning pay phones into wifi stations? |
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| 16:22.13 | absentia | the only thing I care about now is getting more ram... to 64mb min |
| 16:22.13 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 16:22.13 | rev|lib | you needi t with these linux PDAs |
| 16:22.13 | absentia | and then perhaps to get an external batter pack... other than that, I'm satisfied with the zaurus. |
| 16:22.13 | rev|lib | RAM hogs :) |
| 16:22.13 | rev|lib | haha |
| 16:22.16 | absentia | well |
| 16:22.21 | rev|lib | "once my zaurus is a frankenstein..." |
| 16:22.26 | absentia | when I run the zdebian ... I have like 8mb free ram. |
| 16:22.29 | absentia | (I think) |
| 16:22.35 | rev|lib | which isn't enough |
| 16:22.36 | absentia | that's not enough, I don't think. |
| 16:22.42 | rev|lib | ram hog, like i said :) |
| 16:22.43 | absentia | if I had 64, that would turn to 40. |
| 16:22.47 | absentia | and that's probably enough for the pda. |
| 16:22.55 | fliplap | myabe |
| 16:22.58 | absentia | I've cause nyetscrape using 272mb on my sun |
| 16:23.07 | fliplap | tho in an X11 enviroment..maybe not |
| 16:23.14 | absentia | right, the vnc... |
| 16:23.18 | absentia | I run the vnc at 800x600 |
| 16:23.28 | absentia | so I don't have to have the tabs at the top or the status bar at the bottom |
| 16:23.35 | absentia | (of the zaurus / pda... qtopia ... etc) |
| 16:23.44 | absentia | with the icewm, I have the bar off the bottom. |
| 16:23.51 | absentia | I use 100% of the 800x600 screen |
| 16:23.54 | absentia | it's wonderful! |
| 16:24.15 | absentia | it doesn't seem to take up that much (more) memory. |
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| 16:54.54 | phoen][x | so whats the newest official 5500 rom? |
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| 16:57.21 | rev|lib | anyone know a way to see what % of CPU is being used on a stock sharp rom? |
| 16:57.26 | rev|lib | system info no longer has the CPU meter |
| 16:57.28 | rev|lib | at least on my C760 |
| 16:57.30 | rev|lib | and there is no top |
| 16:58.23 | absentia | it always seems to be at 99 or 100% |
| 16:58.30 | absentia | that idle process seems to eat up all the spare |
| 16:58.38 | rev|lib | ahh |
| 16:58.40 | rev|lib | well |
| 16:58.50 | rev|lib | any way to test the cpu usage of an app? |
| 16:58.56 | rev|lib | i'm doing a battery life test |
| 16:58.56 | phoen][x | i bet the info is somewhere in /proc |
| 16:59.13 | rev|lib | and want to have an app eat up a low level of cpu, simulating real-ish use |
| 16:59.35 | rev|lib | i think my battery is hosed |
| 16:59.40 | rev|lib | so i'm testing it |
| 16:59.42 | rev|lib | not entirely hosted |
| 16:59.43 | rev|lib | er |
| 16:59.43 | rev|lib | hosed |
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| 17:02.03 | rev|lib | for the C760, getting 4.5 hours of battery life seems a bit crappish |
| 17:02.06 | rev|lib | considering sharp claims 8 |
| 17:04.15 | treke | since when were any battery claims true :) |
| 17:04.21 | rev|lib | well, yeah |
| 17:04.29 | treke | 50% of stated life seems right about on |
| 17:04.42 | rev|lib | but that seems quite a bit exagerated; the folks with C700s i've talked to get around 3.5-4 |
| 17:04.58 | rev|lib | and with its physically larger battery, one would expect the C760 to get at least 6 hours |
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| 17:42.46 | rev|lib | i love bittorrent |
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| 18:03.55 | tumbler | hey i just got the driver to get my Z to work on redhat but it came with no instructions can someone give me a clue how i make this work now lol |
| 18:06.06 | liyang | tumbler: which Zaurus? |
| 18:06.47 | tumbler | sl-5500 |
| 18:06.56 | liyang | this might help: http://docs.zaurus.com/index.php |
| 18:07.02 | tumbler | ok thanks |
| 18:08.36 | liyang | it helps if you're running kernel 2.4.21, which has the USB networking drivers included. If not, it's a messy process of patching kernels, so you might as well upgrade to 2.4.21 anyway. |
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| 19:33.40 | rev|lib | yoo |
| 19:33.51 | rev|lib | ack |
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| 19:34.26 | mrwoody | hi everyone |
| 19:35.09 | mrwoody | the right channel of the audio from the headset is not working anymore and unfortunatelly it is not because of my headset (i have tried more than one). Did anyone experience a similar problem? |
| 19:35.31 | treke | could be the plug |
| 19:35.54 | rev|lib | hey hey wood |
| 19:35.54 | mrwoody | treke: could be... any solution? |
| 19:36.02 | mrwoody | rev|lib: hi |
| 19:36.10 | rev|lib | is the audio muted? |
| 19:36.20 | mrwoody | rev|lib: only the right channel |
| 19:36.27 | mrwoody | the left one is working |
| 19:36.44 | treke | mrwoody: replace the plug? |
| 19:36.45 | mrwoody | i have tried more than one software |
| 19:36.52 | rev|lib | ah |
| 19:36.52 | mrwoody | treke: how to replace the plug? |
| 19:37.00 | mrwoody | treke: you mean the Z plug, right? |
| 19:37.00 | rev|lib | have you tried more than one headphone pair? |
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| 19:37.06 | mrwoody | rev|lib: yes i did |
| 19:37.09 | treke | you open it up. remove the old one. attach a new one. Or send your device to sharp |
| 19:37.30 | mrwoody | treke: have you ever tried to open the Z up? |
| 19:37.34 | treke | No |
| 19:37.42 | mrwoody | i believe it is not that easy |
| 19:37.54 | treke | the difficulty depends on how much you know about that sort of thing. |
| 19:37.56 | treke | people have done it |
| 19:38.12 | mrwoody | sort of what? screwdrivers? |
| 19:38.27 | mrwoody | well yes, maybe i shouldn't do that |
| 19:38.40 | mrwoody | but i don't think that it is worthy to send it to sharp. |
| 19:38.45 | mrwoody | I have an sl5000 |
| 19:38.55 | treke | mrwoody: General electronics experience. You'd probably have to unsolder it and solder a new one in it's place |
| 19:38.58 | rev|lib | how old is it? |
| 19:39.00 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 19:39.06 | rev|lib | definately solder |
| 19:39.08 | treke | I think ljp installed a mic in his |
| 19:39.19 | fliplap | wait |
| 19:39.28 | fliplap | are you sure the recording is stereo? |
| 19:39.30 | rev|lib | the zaurus doesn't have full-duplex soudn does it? |
| 19:39.39 | mrwoody | it is less than 1 year... but i am not sure if there is a warranty since i got it for free |
| 19:39.39 | rev|lib | that is, can you be recoprding and listening at the same time using the jack? |
| 19:39.44 | fliplap | try a different recording |
| 19:39.52 | mrwoody | fliplap: i am not talking about the recording |
| 19:39.55 | rev|lib | does the mic/speak jack have three channels or just two- the mic usign the left |
| 19:40.02 | rev|lib | mr |
| 19:40.03 | mrwoody | i am talking about the playing music |
| 19:40.09 | fliplap | yes i know |
| 19:40.12 | rev|lib | do all soudns do this? |
| 19:40.14 | fliplap | the music that you have |
| 19:40.19 | rev|lib | one could have a mono fine |
| 19:40.20 | rev|lib | er file |
| 19:40.22 | mrwoody | it used to work |
| 19:40.26 | fliplap | have you tried other songs, do they all do that? |
| 19:40.40 | mrwoody | fliplap: yes... and they used to work |
| 19:40.52 | fliplap | ok, just making sure before we have you ripping open your Z |
| 19:41.18 | treke | but ripping things open is fun :p |
| 19:41.21 | mrwoody | does anyone here know if there is a warranty for a zaurus that i won last september? |
| 19:41.44 | treke | most audio players would play a mono file in both channels |
| 19:41.48 | fliplap | sharp does |
| 19:41.57 | mrwoody | fliplap: does what? |
| 19:42.09 | fliplap | knows if you've got a warrenty |
| 19:42.17 | rev|lib | hah |
| 19:42.22 | mrwoody | fliplap: okie... i should contact them |
| 19:42.22 | rev|lib | er |
| 19:42.27 | rev|lib | flippy is smart |
| 19:42.27 | mrwoody | but i doubt it |
| 19:42.54 | mrwoody | i should have one too |
| 19:42.55 | rev|lib | :) |
| 19:43.03 | fliplap | oh wait, this is my bitter-cynical-sarcastic bastard cap |
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| 20:05.14 | TCMAN | hi |
| 20:05.18 | mark | hi Twiun |
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| 20:40.09 | Twiun | hey mark |
| 20:44.24 | TCMAN | George`Coding: did you script me joining the channel ? |
| 20:44.38 | George`Coding | ? |
| 20:46.31 | TCMAN | George`Coding: do you have script automatically greeting me when i join ? |
| 20:46.36 | George`Coding | no |
| 20:46.46 | George`Coding | but what a good idea |
| 20:46.58 | TCMAN | George`Coding: so you just type it always when i join :) |
| 20:47.02 | George`Coding | yes |
| 20:47.09 | George`Coding | well, actually |
| 20:47.11 | George`Coding | I'm a bot |
| 20:47.13 | George`Coding | didn't you know? |
| 20:47.41 | George`Coding | anyway, I'm wrestling with my fucking kde app |
| 20:47.42 | ChipX86|Coding | we suspected |
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| 21:18.09 | mark | Twiun: exam results tomorrow :s |
| 21:21.13 | Twiun | mark: woohoo! |
| 21:21.20 | mark | Twiun: no |
| 21:21.27 | Twiun | mark: all that procrastinating, cramming and sleeplessness not going to pay off? |
| 21:21.28 | mark | Twiun: remember all that procrastinating? i'm just about regretting it |
| 21:21.40 | mark | Twiun: hehe, i doubt it |
| 21:22.33 | Twiun | mark: I'm starting to regret contracting ;) |
| 21:22.44 | Twiun | mark: too much hassle with paperwork and tax |
| 21:23.07 | mark | tax sucks |
| 21:23.25 | Twiun | tax under the ir35 legislation is much worse than as an employee though |
| 21:23.37 | Twiun | employees get taxed around 20-25% |
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| 21:23.55 | Twiun | someone under ir35 can pay as much as 31% |
| 21:24.43 | mark | ouch |
| 21:25.02 | Twiun | I've just landed a contract and need to find myself an umbrella company |
| 21:25.13 | Twiun | one that doesn't make me liable for ir35 |
| 21:25.17 | Twiun | hopefully |
| 21:25.20 | mark | an umbrella company? |
| 21:25.20 | mark | oh |
| 21:25.38 | Twiun | yeah, instead of me contracting directly to a client, there's an intermediary |
| 21:25.46 | Twiun | I end up being an employee of the intermediary |
| 21:26.11 | mark | ah ok |
| 21:26.14 | Twiun | problem with ir35 is that you pay the employer NI contributions on top of the employee contributions |
| 21:26.26 | Twiun | so in effect you get taxed twice |
| 21:26.31 | mark | nasty |
| 21:26.34 | Twiun | very |
| 21:27.01 | Twiun | if you're going to go into IT, it well worth the read |
| 21:27.07 | Twiun | even if you don't go for contracting |
| 21:27.11 | mark | i'm not :) |
| 21:27.21 | Twiun | I wasn't... but I've got no choice |
| 21:27.26 | mark | well, not unless i have to |
| 21:27.27 | Twiun | backed into a corner atm |
| 21:28.12 | mark | Twiun: what would you rathe rbe doing? |
| 21:28.21 | Twiun | mark: permanent work ;) |
| 21:28.29 | Twiun | mark: even though contracting is better paid |
| 21:28.38 | Twiun | mark: there's virtually no job security |
| 21:28.43 | mark | oh right, still IT stuff though |
| 21:28.46 | Twiun | yeah |
| 21:28.56 | Twiun | it's not as if I've got experience in any thing else :) |
| 21:29.05 | mark | Twiun: how long is the contract you've just got? |
| 21:29.20 | Twiun | mark: september to february, with a possible extension to june |
| 21:30.16 | mark | is that average? |
| 21:31.03 | ChipX86|Coding | is anyone here using gaim on a c7x0? |
| 21:31.46 | Twiun | mark: yeah, short contracts are now the norm |
| 21:31.57 | Twiun | mark: although you'll find the odd company who keeps renewing |
| 21:32.54 | Twiun | mark: what worries me about this contract is that they didn't haggle on rate |
| 21:33.04 | _Psycho_ | not yet chip :) you ever release a more recent version ? |
| 21:33.08 | ChipX86|Coding | 0.1 |
| 21:33.08 | Twiun | mark: so they're either desperate or something nasty's waiting for me |
| 21:33.14 | _Psycho_ | Actually i never tried again to do a gcc3.3 compile |
| 21:33.22 | ChipX86|Coding | your libgcc1 problem is common. Someone just installed whatever package and it worked |
| 21:33.22 | mark | Twiun: or they just loved you so much :) |
| 21:33.36 | mark | Twiun: wheres the job? |
| 21:33.50 | _Psycho_ | you mean it installed it on a c700 with gcc3.3 and it work ? |
| 21:33.57 | Twiun | mark: well, apparently, the guy they were interview today (before they offered me the job) was only interviewed for 10minutes |
| 21:33.57 | ChipX86|Coding | apparently.. |
| 21:34.05 | _Psycho_ | well i can give it a try |
| 21:34.06 | Twiun | mark: near bond streed tube |
| 21:34.16 | _Psycho_ | on your homepage ? i get the 0308 or something ? |
| 21:34.22 | Twiun | mark: granted, my interview was only 30mins, but still |
| 21:34.41 | ChipX86|Coding | http://qpe-gaim.sourceforge.net/feed/release/ |
| 21:34.46 | _Psycho_ | ok |
| 21:34.51 | _Psycho_ | loading it |
| 21:34.53 | rev|lib | i was using the new gaim on my C760 earlier today |
| 21:34.56 | rev|lib | not at this moment though |
| 21:35.07 | rev|lib | is there something new right now? |
| 21:35.08 | ChipX86|Coding | rev|lib: people keep telling me they want the icons scaled.. which in particular? |
| 21:35.17 | mark | Twiun: you've got a fair journey then don't you? |
| 21:35.19 | rev|lib | ChipX86|Coding: i dunno- the toolbar icons? |
| 21:35.21 | rev|lib | they |
| 21:35.23 | rev|lib | re a;cl |
| 21:35.26 | rev|lib | FUCK, i mean ack |
| 21:35.34 | rev|lib | they're all very small on a c7x0 scren |
| 21:35.36 | rev|lib | don't bother me |
| 21:35.38 | ChipX86|Coding | ok |
| 21:35.43 | rev|lib | cuz i prefer to have lots of space for real information |
| 21:35.52 | rev|lib | i prefer the tiny buttons :P |
| 21:35.54 | rev|lib | but they are quite timy |
| 21:35.58 | ChipX86|Coding | can you make some screenshots when you get a chance? Buddy list and conv window? |
| 21:36.03 | ChipX86|Coding | ok I'll look into that then |
| 21:36.06 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 21:36.08 | rev|lib | i'll do it when ig et home |
| 21:36.10 | rev|lib | aroudn 1 hr |
| 21:36.11 | ChipX86|Coding | thanks |
| 21:36.18 | rev|lib | no problemo |
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| 21:36.47 | Twiun | mark: bus/train to north greenwich tube, jubilee line to bond street || train to london bridge, jubilee line to bond street |
| 21:36.54 | Twiun | mark: 45mins, 60mins tops |
| 21:37.11 | Twiun | mark: and it *is* for £30/hr |
| 21:37.25 | Twiun | mark: and I think equipment, travel and other things are allowable expenses |
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| 21:38.23 | mark | Twiun: £30/hr, pretty good! |
| 21:38.32 | _Psycho_ | i install gconv-tiny too ? and the protocol iw ant i guess |
| 21:38.37 | ChipX86|Coding | yeah |
| 21:38.40 | ChipX86|Coding | get oscar too though |
| 21:38.50 | Twiun | mark: yeah, I looked up the rate on the web - but you see why I was puzzled they didn't haggle? |
| 21:38.51 | ChipX86|Coding | 0.2 won't need it, but 0.1 accidentally does.. |
| 21:39.09 | _Psycho_ | ok |
| 21:39.14 | _Psycho_ | i have glib2.0 in thoery too |
| 21:39.26 | prh | anyone here got OZ on a 750/760 ? |
| 21:41.43 | Twiun | prh: only a few people afaik, oz isn't yet ready for the masses on 7x0's |
| 21:42.14 | mark | Twiun: hmm, i'm sure you'll be fine |
| 21:42.34 | Twiun | mark: fingers crossed :) |
| 21:42.58 | Twiun | mark: let me know how things go tomorrow |
| 21:43.16 | mark | Twiun: shall do, if i havent reclused into a cupboard |
| 21:45.06 | Twiun | mark: whatever happens, remember that clearing is always an option |
| 21:45.12 | mark | Twiun: clearings next year |
| 21:45.14 | mark | :) |
| 21:45.30 | Twiun | ahhhh, I thought this was end of 6th form? |
| 21:45.39 | mark | these are ASs |
| 21:45.57 | Twiun | in every sense of the term, eh? |
| 21:46.01 | mark | hehe |
| 21:46.01 | Twiun | what subjects? |
| 21:46.03 | mark | yes :) |
| 21:46.21 | mark | Twiun: maths (x2), physics, economics, chemistry, (general studies but that hardly counts) |
| 21:47.49 | Twiun | mark: what are you planning to study post 6th form? |
| 21:48.50 | mark | Twiun: some combination of politics philosophy and economics |
| 21:49.16 | _Psycho_ | doing test but i doubt it work Chip |
| 21:49.21 | Twiun | mark: and career wise? |
| 21:49.30 | ChipX86|Coding | it's working for many other people. Not sure why it wouldn't for you |
| 21:49.53 | _Psycho_ | i remove my glib2.0 to install your now |
| 21:49.55 | _Psycho_ | doing test |
| 21:50.13 | mark | Twiun: no idea whatsoever |
| 21:50.54 | Twiun | mark: what interests you most? |
| 21:51.08 | _Psycho_ | how big is gaim install total ? |
| 21:51.48 | _Psycho_ | ok i checked |
| 21:51.49 | _Psycho_ | not bad |
| 21:53.45 | mark | Twiun: i'd perhaps like to get involved in politics (but not as a politician), or do UN development work or something. we'll see |
| 21:54.16 | Twiun | mark: any languages? |
| 21:56.02 | Neo|Work | 2.5 days to go |
| 21:56.04 | Neo|Work | or less. |
| 21:56.05 | Neo|Work | whee |
| 21:56.30 | _Psycho_ | Chip: gaim: relocation error: ./gaim: undefined symbol: _QString.shared_null |
| 21:56.32 | _Psycho_ | ah hmm ;) |
| 21:56.40 | Twiun | Neo|Work: and then you get to work for Tim :) |
| 21:56.44 | Neo|Work | yeah |
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| 22:04.40 | mark | Neo|Work: days until what? |
| 22:04.48 | mark | Twiun: no, unfortunaely. well, none very well :) |
| 22:05.23 | George`Coding | mark: I've found the problem! I've found the problem! |
| 22:05.27 | George`Coding | ***happy george*** |
| 22:05.28 | Twiun | mark: hmmm, UN workers usually require something other than english... politics is ok, but usually not well paid |
| 22:05.40 | mark | Twiun: i know they do, i can learn ;P |
| 22:05.48 | mark | heh |
| 22:05.50 | Twiun | mark: if you could get interested in economics and maths however... |
| 22:05.58 | mark | Twiun: bah, boring :) |
| 22:06.01 | Twiun | mark: investment banks would welcome you with open arms :) |
| 22:06.14 | Twiun | mark: mucho £££ even as a graduate |
| 22:06.24 | mark | much £££, but they realyl dont look like fun places tow ork |
| 22:06.43 | Twiun | work there for 2 years, at £40k a year... who cares? |
| 22:07.11 | Twiun | and once you've worked in finance, you can work anywhere else - literally |
| 22:08.09 | mark | hmm, true |
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| 22:08.53 | mark | Twiun: i'm planning on not really thinking career wise until at least 2nd year of uni - i want to study something at uni that i'm gonna ejoy rather htan stmething thats gonna land me a decnet job |
| 22:09.19 | Twiun | mark: it's your career ;) |
| 22:09.23 | mark | Twiun: hehe |
| 22:09.35 | Twiun | mark: I'll stop pushing :) |
| 22:09.56 | mark | then again, i haven't yet experienced not having the money i need |
| 22:10.16 | mark | so i'm probably looking at a rather utopian picture where I do something I enjoy rather than that pays well |
| 22:10.21 | Twiun | true, not at that stage of life yet |
| 22:10.46 | Twiun | I personally only have one ambition... no longer have to worry about money |
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| 22:10.57 | Twiun | ... && own my own house ;) |
| 22:12.15 | ChipX86|Coding | _Psycho_: guess it'll have to be compiled for that then |
| 22:13.35 | mark | Twiun: :) |
| 22:14.22 | Twiun | mark: I've estimated that this will happen when I earn £50k+ ;) |
| 22:14.37 | Twiun | mark: although I'd love being able to buy my own house outright |
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| 22:14.58 | treke | Sugar, convert 50 GBP to USD |
| 22:15.27 | treke | Sugar, What is 50 GBP in USD |
| 22:15.29 | Sugar | 50 GBP is 80.128204 US$ |
| 22:16.50 | _Psycho_ | ChipX86 yeah most likely source are at sourceforge.net ? i didnt checked |
| 22:16.59 | Twiun | Sugar: what is 30 GBP in USD |
| 22:17.01 | Sugar | 30 GBP is 48.076923 US$ |
| 22:17.02 | ChipX86|Coding | yeah |
| 22:17.14 | Twiun | treke: that's the hourly rate pre tax |
| 22:17.14 | _Psycho_ | ok i probably check tomorow or friday since im off |
| 22:17.18 | _Psycho_ | cool thanks |
| 22:17.25 | treke | Twiun: Yeah |
| 22:17.27 | Twiun | treke: tax might be as high as 31% though |
| 22:17.38 | treke | Twiun: Same here in the us |
| 22:17.38 | Twiun | treke: and I've seen 41% quoted somewhere |
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| 22:20.06 | George`Coding | ljp: in australia?!?! |
| 22:20.24 | ljp | yes, been here for more than a week |
| 22:20.33 | George`Coding | wtf are you doing there? |
| 22:20.47 | ljp | working |
| 22:20.53 | George`Coding | oh |
| 22:20.55 | ljp | enjoying the weather |
| 22:21.10 | ljp | trying to get used to the funky driving and weird spellings |
| 22:21.16 | George`Coding | I was born there, does that change your mind of liking it? :) |
| 22:21.25 | ljp | hmmm, which part? |
| 22:21.30 | George`Coding | Melbourne |
| 22:21.38 | ljp | ahh, nope. I amin Brisbane |
| 22:21.44 | _Psycho_ | g'day mate ! |
| 22:21.45 | ljp | am in, even |
| 22:21.45 | _Psycho_ | ;) |
| 22:21.53 | ljp | ya, I hear that a lot also |
| 22:22.07 | George`Coding | ljp: what about "eat shit and die" |
| 22:22.13 | _Psycho_ | yeah my brother was there for like 8 months hehe |
| 22:22.18 | _Psycho_ | he learned a lots of slang there |
| 22:22.47 | ljp | hmm, havent heard that one just yet |
| 22:23.07 | VampireZIM | http://www.picturephoning.org/ |
| 22:23.11 | VampireZIM | can someone try that url? |
| 22:23.20 | _Psycho_ | maybe its different from city to city too |
| 22:23.26 | VampireZIM | i think my ISPs DNS server is fucked as usual |
| 22:23.39 | _Psycho_ | brb |
| 22:24.21 | George`Coding | ljp: bah |
| 22:24.25 | ljp | unknown host here |
| 22:24.31 | VampireZIM | yea |
| 22:24.33 | VampireZIM | ok, thanks |
| 22:24.38 | George`Coding | VampireZIM: nah, it's just that Windows sucks. |
| 22:26.50 | mark | Twiun: there was some thing about needing a £40,000 deposit or something to get into the housing market now for first time buyers, nasty |
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| 22:27.33 | Twiun | mark: yeah, especially in london |
| 22:28.15 | George`Coding | hrmm, that's my whole life savings |
| 22:28.30 | Twiun | George`Coding: that's a massive amount at your age |
| 22:28.43 | George`Coding | oh dear, perhaps I shouldn't have said that |
| 22:29.33 | treke | rich mofo |
| 22:29.44 | George`Coding | I'm not rich. |
| 22:30.05 | fliplap | jesus |
| 22:30.22 | fliplap | you're 15 and have £40k |
| 22:30.25 | fliplap | you're rich |
| 22:30.58 | George`Coding | that's my life savings! |
| 22:31.02 | George`Coding | It's not mine, er, yet |
| 22:31.03 | ljp | nope. spoiled |
| 22:31.08 | George`Coding | grr |
| 22:31.09 | fliplap | life savings my ass |
| 22:31.11 | mark | George`Coding: i otld you that was bloody rich |
| 22:31.16 | George`Coding | ... |
| 22:31.16 | fliplap | we call that a trust fund in america |
| 22:31.27 | George`Coding | fliplap: that's basically what it is |
| 22:31.32 | Twiun | I call that a bloody nice packet to blow on his 18th birthday |
| 22:31.33 | ljp | ahhh, G is a trust funder!!! |
| 22:31.39 | George`Coding | Twiun: 25th |
| 22:31.46 | Twiun | George`Coding: whatever :) |
| 22:31.48 | fliplap | ok, you're got a £40k trust fund, and HOW are you not rich? |
| 22:31.50 | absentia | I don't have 40k# |
| 22:32.02 | Twiun | neither do I... |
| 22:32.03 | treke | George`Coding: Just admit it and be happy |
| 22:32.13 | fliplap | everyone hates you now |
| 22:32.13 | George`Coding | treke: but I'm NOT rich |
| 22:32.17 | absentia | in fact, I don't have any money. |
| 22:32.21 | fliplap | yes, you are rich |
| 22:32.33 | George`Coding | No I'm not |
| 22:32.34 | George`Coding | damnit |
| 22:32.45 | George`Coding | I'm probably one of the poorest at my school |
| 22:32.46 | fliplap | mark: because they wanna look hardcore |
| 22:33.00 | fliplap | George`Coding: ok, you're a rich kid surrounded by RICHER kids |
| 22:33.09 | George`Coding | I'm not rich!!! |
| 22:33.11 | mark | George`Coding: you go to the most expensive school in the country |
| 22:33.11 | Twiun | mark: mine are currently at the -$600 ;) |
| 22:33.12 | fliplap | everyone feel better now? |
| 22:33.20 | treke | George`Coding: poorest is relative |
| 22:33.25 | Twiun | fliplap: yup, much better |
| 22:33.26 | fliplap | yeah no shit, i'm in debt up to my eyeballs |
| 22:33.28 | absentia | yha |
| 22:33.30 | mark | Twiun: heh, yeh well, you have to spend money, i dont :) |
| 22:33.30 | absentia | I want to cell my c700 |
| 22:33.33 | absentia | I want to get a 750 |
| 22:33.38 | Twiun | mark: yup |
| 22:33.39 | fliplap | i have college loans flying out my ass |
| 22:33.51 | Twiun | mark: and it looks like I'm going to have to buy a laptop for this contract |
| 22:34.10 | fliplap | Twiun: at least you can write it off\ |
| 22:34.14 | George`Coding | let's change the subject |
| 22:34.29 | fliplap | George`Coding: ok, lets talk about wtf you're gonna do with all that money |
| 22:34.37 | George`Coding | ... |
| 22:34.46 | George`Coding | living costs? |
| 22:34.48 | treke | hookers and whiskey |
| 22:34.54 | treke | George`Coding: That is what jobs are for |
| 22:35.01 | fliplap | living costs? Holy zombie jesus, where are you living? |
| 22:35.10 | George`Coding | london |
| 22:35.16 | fliplap | fucking move |
| 22:35.23 | George`Coding | no |
| 22:35.31 | fliplap | i couldn't afford to living where my parents did, so i moved |
| 22:35.45 | Twiun | fliplap: possibly - this ir35 stuff is really confusing |
| 22:36.15 | George`Coding | fliplap: well, where the hell do you expect me to move |
| 22:36.19 | levi | In 10 years, that's going to be a lot more than 40k, too. |
| 22:36.26 | Twiun | fliplap: trying to make sense of it now so I can actually get my contract organised |
| 22:36.35 | fliplap | George`Coding: don't tell me there's no cheaper place in england than london |
| 22:36.54 | fliplap | i have relatives in london...they're rich |
| 22:37.03 | Twiun | didn't leeds have a place where they were selling houses for £.50? |
| 22:37.05 | George`Coding | levi: no, I've already taken account for interest |
| 22:38.12 | George`Coding | anyway, I'll shut up now before my ass gets flamed to smithereens |
| 22:39.12 | levi | Well, in 10 years, you should have a job that can cover living expenses. You can use the 40k as down payment on your house or something. |
| 22:39.48 | treke | dont touch it for as long as humanly possible :) |
| 22:40.24 | George`Coding | :) |
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| 22:45.36 | prh | richness is interresting. I suggest that nearly everyone in the UK is rich - they have moeny to spend on things they don't _need_. |
| 22:46.27 | prh | I was in Tanzania last year seeing how people live there. 5 weeks. visited the poorest and richest. Then some of them came over here recently. They were astounded. Now I don't feel rich, and here I'm not considered rich. But to them... |
| 22:46.47 | prh | I've also yet to meet a rich person who thinks they are rich. |
| 22:49.45 | mark | treke: the longest i could last with £40,000 in my pocket would be about 10 minutes |
| 22:50.28 | George`Coding | mark: hahaha |
| 22:50.35 | George`Coding | mark: I could probably last years |
| 22:51.04 | mark | George`Coding: well you'll probalby have enough money to last years |
| 22:51.37 | George`Coding | uh |
| 22:52.43 | treke | prh: You obviously havent met many realistic rich people |
| 22:54.04 | _Psycho_ | you never met my boss ;) |
| 22:54.30 | _Psycho_ | he is not that rich, but i know he sold his buisness for 200$ millions last year (he had like 25% of it) |
| 22:54.41 | treke | erm. |
| 22:54.58 | treke | I wouldnt mind 50 million :) |
| 22:55.09 | _Psycho_ | thats not counting what i dont know like actions and other investment hehe |
| 22:55.20 | treke | either way he came out ok :p |
| 22:55.22 | _Psycho_ | actions = stock market :? not sure |
| 22:55.34 | _Psycho_ | He have 2 damn beautiful girls :) |
| 22:55.53 | _Psycho_ | but 1 have a damn boyfriend the other one study away, we took a couples of beers together thought hehe |
| 22:56.12 | _Psycho_ | oh well ! |
| 22:56.36 | Twiun | fliplap: you wouldn't happen to have contracted in the UK by any chance? |
| 22:56.38 | treke | when you take in 500 years worth a fairly wealthy persons yearly income, you arent likely to be in debt far enough to be poor |
| 22:57.24 | _Psycho_ | mike tyson ? |
| 22:57.27 | fliplap | Twiun: fraid not |
| 22:57.54 | _Psycho_ | didnt he filed a backrurupcy reecntly hehe |
| 22:58.25 | fliplap | 40k is plenty to last years |
| 22:58.36 | fliplap | i living off $12k a year right now |
| 22:58.44 | _Psycho_ | depend where you live |
| 22:58.57 | George`Coding | fliplap: it wouldn't last long in London |
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| 22:59.12 | fliplap | George`Coding: don't live in fucking london |
| 22:59.34 | George`Coding | I like London... |
| 22:59.45 | fliplap | i like beverly hills |
| 23:00.07 | George`Coding | ah yes, but mine can be a reality, yours can't :P |
| 23:00.13 | George`Coding | and anyway |
| 23:00.21 | George`Coding | London's probably cheaper than Beverly Hills |
| 23:00.40 | fliplap | i'm just saying, you say it wouldn't last long in london, so you live somewhere that it would |
| 23:01.01 | George`Coding | heh, your annual living costs are less than my schooling fees |
| 23:01.07 | fliplap | a lot of my friends got jobs in silicon valley way back when, they couldn't afford to live there |
| 23:01.16 | fliplap | so they had to live an hour away from work |
| 23:01.53 | fliplap | George`Coding: jesus, i pay less in college tuition than you do for high school |
| 23:02.09 | treke | I used to drive an hour in every morning to avoid paying santa barbara rent |
| 23:02.10 | George`Coding | it's not high school. |
| 23:02.28 | fliplap | or whatever you chaps call it in merry ol england |
| 23:02.36 | George`Coding | chaps :) |
| 23:02.39 | George`Coding | hehehe |
| 23:02.45 | George`Coding | it's secondary school |
| 23:02.54 | fliplap | same thing |
| 23:03.15 | prh | treke: are you treke.net? |
| 23:03.19 | treke | prh: Yes |
| 23:03.23 | treke | I know it's down |
| 23:03.27 | prh | ahh - is it likely to be back soon? |
| 23:03.32 | treke | Tomorrow |
| 23:03.38 | George`Coding | fliplap: actually, to come to think of it, my prep school cost more than your living costs |
| 23:03.45 | prh | erm is that tomorrow UK or US... ? |
| 23:03.49 | George`Coding | treke: who hosts it? ;) |
| 23:03.56 | treke | prh: 24 hours from this moment |
| 23:04.00 | prh | ok |
| 23:04.03 | fliplap | George`Coding: uh..huh, Explain again how you aren't rich? |
| 23:04.04 | treke | George`Coding: Westmont College hosts it |
| 23:04.09 | prh | treke: cheers |
| 23:04.26 | treke | George`Coding: How much is your tuition? |
| 23:04.38 | George`Coding | mark: no, I am definitely not rich. |
| 23:04.56 | George`Coding | mark: and shut up, you go to private school as well |
| 23:04.58 | George`Coding | :P |
| 23:05.02 | fliplap | don't get me wrong, i probably flush more down the toilet than those sweat shop kids in mexico make in a day |
| 23:05.40 | treke | so I literlly flush more down the toilet |
| 23:05.40 | fliplap | but i'm not exactly rolling in dough |
| 23:07.28 | fliplap | i guess its all relative tho. I don't have much responsibility, except to myself. So any money i make i spend on bills and my gf. I'm not as bad off because I'm young, someone who's 30 with a family would have a much harder time on what i make |
| 23:08.28 | George`Coding | mark: hahaha, you're still in the credits for KLatin... we'll soon sort that :P |
| 23:10.38 | treke | fliplap: hehe yeah that rocks :) |
| 23:11.08 | Neo|Work | mark: days left at RNWK before I leave to go down and work for TI in Dallas |
| 23:12.53 | fliplap | if anyone needs a unix admin/bitch in the phoenix area lemme know |
| 23:14.02 | ljp | NeoTron: you wont know what to think about the sun! |
| 23:14.07 | mark | Neo|Work: oh right, cool |
| 23:14.32 | mark | George`Coding: nooo! |
| 23:14.43 | George`Coding | mark: hehe |
| 23:15.10 | George`Coding | grah, I'm being called a snob by a friend from school |
| 23:15.33 | George`Coding | simply cause I changed his hostmask to "i.am.a.silly.sod" |
| 23:15.35 | fliplap | you have friends from school in here? |
| 23:15.40 | George`Coding | no |
| 23:15.43 | George`Coding | on my own irc server |
| 23:16.28 | Neo|Work | ljp: nah, long live AC! |
| 23:16.31 | George`Coding | QB (~hughescih@i.am.a.really.silly.sod) |
| 23:16.45 | Neo|Work | ljp: actually misread - what do you mean? :P |
| 23:18.14 | ljp | hehe you live in seattle right? no sun |
| 23:19.00 | oGMo | i can neither confirm nor deny the presence of sunlight in seattle |
| 23:19.21 | oGMo | (it's a state secret) |
| 23:19.27 | fliplap | i can confirm there over abundance of it in Arizona |
| 23:19.42 | fliplap | 109f degrees out right now |
| 23:19.59 | oGMo | nice... or something resembling nice, but melted |
| 23:20.03 | ljp | its a plesant 19 C here |
| 23:20.09 | fliplap | not even close to nice |
| 23:20.10 | ljp | pleasant |
| 23:20.16 | fliplap | i wanna go running, but its too damn hot |
| 23:20.26 | oGMo | and your shoes melt and stick to the melted asphault |
| 23:20.38 | fliplap | you joke |
| 23:20.43 | oGMo | fliplap: i don't ;) |
| 23:20.49 | fliplap | heh |
| 23:21.00 | fliplap | glendale is nice |
| 23:21.03 | oGMo | i remember playing with melted tar as a kid |
| 23:21.42 | George`Coding | oGMo: dood, what sort of a weird childhood did you have? :) |
| 23:21.57 | oGMo | i haven't been back there in a long time, i want to visit sometime... i should catch up with all the ruby people down there ;) |
| 23:21.57 | fliplap | i think they repave in something better now, i rarely see melting parking lots anymore |
| 23:22.03 | oGMo | er |
| 23:22.06 | oGMo | wait, this is #zaurus |
| 23:22.36 | fliplap | i went running last night, it was still 102 out when i got back at 10pm |
| 23:22.37 | oGMo | George`Coding: in the summer, it was hot, and the tar on the asphault would melt... it was quite useful ;) |
| 23:22.49 | George`Coding | hehe |
| 23:23.27 | fliplap | you can leave pens or mechanical pencils in the car, they warp |
| 23:23.36 | fliplap | s/can/cant/ |
| 23:23.58 | oGMo | yeah |
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| 23:29.54 | Neo|Work | ljp: that is pretty much not true |
| 23:30.05 | Neo|Work | we have plenty of sun here and relatively warm / sunny summers |
| 23:31.40 | Neo|Work | i heard a story where someone left an unopened pop in his car with windows / sunroof and stuff open |
| 23:31.42 | Neo|Work | it exploded |
| 23:31.58 | Neo|Work | and didn't just coat the inside of the car, but also the outside (hood, rearview mirrors etc) |
| 23:32.02 | ljp | hmmm |
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| 23:48.50 | od1n | hi |
| 23:49.30 | od1n | im trying to compile some c++ code with zgcc, and its telling me that it cant find iostream |
| 23:49.41 | od1n | any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 23:50.58 | George`Coding | hrmm, sounds like a version of gcc that outdates the current standards ;) |
| 23:51.20 | od1n | :S |
| 23:51.30 | od1n | its V2.95 |
| 23:51.47 | od1n | i tried using -x c++ |
| 23:51.52 | od1n | didnt help... |
| 23:52.01 | George`Coding | 2.95.what? |
| 23:52.31 | od1n | 1 sec |
| 23:52.50 | od1n | 2.95.1-1 |
| 23:53.31 | George`Coding | dood, that's OLD |
| 23:54.02 | od1n | where can i get a more recent version? |
| 23:54.05 | George`Coding | that version of gcc probably outdates the current C++ standards |
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| 23:54.10 | bobbyd | hi |
| 23:54.10 | George`Coding | od1n: no idea |
| 23:54.16 | George`Coding | hi bobbyd |
| 23:54.22 | od1n | >.< |
| 23:54.54 | bobbyd | I'm in the market for a wifi CF card, what are people using, what's the power consumption like and what do I have to pay for one? ;) |
| 23:55.38 | bobbyd | also, do I just need a usb wifi adaptor for my PC for it to work? |
| 23:56.21 | George`Coding | I think the Socket/Symbol wlan cards are the best |
| 23:56.24 | George`Coding | no idea tho |
| 23:56.26 | George`Coding | I don't use WiFI :) |
| 23:56.32 | od1n | bleh, i give up |
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| 23:57.00 | bobbyd | George`Coding: is that the company name? |
| 23:57.06 | George`Coding | od1n: just replace the #include <iostream> with #include <iostream.h> |
| 23:57.09 | George`Coding | bobbyd: yeh |
| 23:57.10 | bobbyd | od1n: what are you giving up on? |
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| 23:57.16 | od1n | zgcc |
| 23:57.17 | bobbyd | George`Coding#; ok thanks |
| 23:57.23 | bobbyd | od1n: c700? |
| 23:57.29 | od1n | 5500 |
| 23:57.44 | od1n | its not compiling c++ code |
| 23:57.50 | od1n | cant find iostream |
| 23:57.53 | bobbyd | od1n: i tried to get that to work with my c700 and couldnt as it couldnt make the correct links |
| 23:57.57 | George`Coding | od1n: read what I just said |
| 23:58.09 | od1n | i tried that too ;) |
| 23:58.13 | bobbyd | so I moved to openzaurus and tried the gcc package, which is currently broken |
| 23:58.43 | od1n | i an ipk too |
| 23:58.50 | od1n | but did the linking manually |
| 23:58.54 | bobbyd | George`Coding: if you dont have a c700 it should work try George`Coding's advice |
| 23:58.56 | od1n | http://lists.zaurus.com/pipermail/zaurus-general/2002-June/005706.html |
| 23:59.00 | od1n | following that |
| 23:59.25 | bobbyd | George, what are you coding? |
| 23:59.44 | George`Coding | bobbyd: KDE stuff |
