| 00:00.06 | redtoade | you can't reflash after a superblock error? |
| 00:01.15 | m_0f | i reflashed and then got the superblock error |
| 00:01.17 | m_0f | havent tried flashing again |
| 00:09.25 | festr | m_0f i know you feeling ;-) try OZ3.2 |
| 00:10.11 | festr | i fucked up my zaurus with some snapshot and i have no flash reader... so i must bye some |
| 00:10.12 | festr | ;) |
| 00:10.17 | festr | good night all |
| 00:10.40 | m_0f | oh i was talking about sharp 3.1 |
| 00:13.18 | George`Roasting | haha, he thinks the 5500 has an internal speaker |
| 00:13.30 | George`Roasting | IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BUZZER!! |
| 00:13.45 | George`Roasting | I pump my raving techno through that buzzer all the time! |
| 00:14.01 | treke | George`Roasting: when do you go back to school |
| 00:14.03 | treke | soon I hope |
| 00:14.08 | George`Roasting | 2nd September |
| 00:14.37 | George`Roasting | not *that* soon |
| 00:14.38 | George`Roasting | heh |
| 00:15.05 | treke | damn |
| 00:15.06 | VampireZIM | elementary? |
| 00:15.13 | VampireZIM | or middle school? |
| 00:15.15 | George`Roasting | VampireZIM: not everyone is in the US you dunce |
| 00:15.20 | George`Roasting | :P |
| 00:15.27 | VampireZIM | well they should be |
| 00:15.31 | George`Roasting | treke: haha |
| 00:15.35 | treke | except for George`Roasting |
| 00:15.38 | George`Roasting | VampireZIM: more food for the fact that you are a troll :P |
| 00:15.42 | treke | he shouldnt be here |
| 00:15.47 | treke | actually, he shouldnt be anywhere |
| 00:16.15 | George`Roasting | treke: but... if there's a UK-wise internet outage.. people like Phil Blundell, Wookey, Alan Cox, blah blah blah will all go offline! |
| 00:16.40 | treke | George`Roasting: It will hurt, but it's for the best |
| 00:16.50 | George`Roasting | hahaha |
| 00:16.54 | George`Roasting | I'll tell 'em you said that :) |
| 00:17.03 | treke | phil will understand |
| 00:17.16 | George`Roasting | hahaha |
| 00:17.37 | George`Roasting | what about Alan? |
| 00:17.52 | treke | it will give him free time to go get a hair cut |
| 00:18.00 | George`Roasting | woot |
| 00:18.06 | George`Roasting | You evil bastard! |
| 00:18.18 | George`Roasting | then again, it is reminiscent of rms |
| 00:18.55 | treke | alan cox and rms are the lost members of ZZ Top |
| 00:19.03 | George`Roasting | ZZ Top? |
| 00:19.07 | George`Roasting | ibot zz top |
| 00:19.08 | | George`Roasting: i haven't a clue |
| 00:19.15 | George`Roasting | ibot: fucking idiot |
| 00:19.16 | | George`Roasting: i don't know |
| 00:19.44 | treke | George`Roasting: http://www.zztop.com/ |
| 00:22.37 | zar | OOO YES |
| 00:22.42 | George`Roasting | ? |
| 00:22.51 | zar | I found the original bbc blueprints to dr whos k9 |
| 00:23.03 | George`Roasting | are you bored, by any chance? |
| 00:23.54 | zar | heh it makes it easer to create a 3d cad file to get the parts fabricated exactly to scale :) |
| 00:25.07 | George`Roasting | ooh, eyup TCMAN, didn't see you hiding under that janitor's uniform |
| 00:25.31 | George`Roasting | hrmm |
| 00:25.35 | George`Roasting | tomorrow I need to do some coding |
| 00:29.38 | *** join/#zaurus Cameron_ (~Cameron@1.chicago.erensfamily.com) |
| 00:34.39 | TCMAN | hi george |
| 00:35.20 | Cameron | So let me get this straight -- you guys are telling me that the SL-5500 is better than the 5600? |
| 00:35.25 | George`Roasting | Cameron: yes |
| 00:36.11 | TCMAN | Cameron: kinda |
| 00:36.27 | TCMAN | Cameron: the think is that pxa250 sucks |
| 00:36.27 | Cameron | lol |
| 00:36.37 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: we've already explained that :) |
| 00:36.49 | TCMAN | Cameron: and sl5500 is 64mb ram, 16mb flash, and sl5600 is 32mb ram 32mb flash |
| 00:36.54 | Cameron | ok...hmm, so the 400 Mhz XScale of the 5600 is inferior to the 206 Mhz strongarm, eh? |
| 00:36.57 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: WRONG |
| 00:36.58 | Cameron | that's fascinating to me |
| 00:37.04 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: 5600 is 32MB RAM 64MB Flash |
| 00:37.09 | Cameron | shows how marketing can deceive :) |
| 00:37.12 | TCMAN | ahh sorry |
| 00:37.30 | Cameron | how does the screen look in sunlight? |
| 00:37.36 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: DIE!!! |
| 00:37.40 | George`Roasting | Cameron: it's reflective |
| 00:37.43 | TCMAN | Cameron: old xscale has something broken with front side bus or cache or memory access |
| 00:37.46 | George`Roasting | Cameron: thus it's excellent |
| 00:37.59 | Cameron | cool |
| 00:38.04 | TCMAN | Cameron: so it basically performs about the same as 206mhz strong arm |
| 00:38.09 | *** join/#zaurus effy-kun (~dontemail@210.196.84.192) |
| 00:38.26 | Cameron | hehe alright -- but then would you think they might release an update that fixes this problem soon? |
| 00:38.29 | TCMAN | Cameron: there are some applications thought that could be faster on xscale |
| 00:38.44 | Cameron | I'd rather wait if an update may be imminent |
| 00:38.53 | TCMAN | Cameron: stuff that does lots of number crunching and little memory accesses |
| 00:38.54 | Cameron | :) |
| 00:39.01 | Cameron | of course |
| 00:39.02 | Cameron | makes sense |
| 00:39.11 | TCMAN | Cameron: no software update will help that |
| 00:39.18 | Cameron | I never said software |
| 00:39.20 | TCMAN | Cameron: you need pxa255 cpu |
| 00:39.28 | Cameron | I mean a hardware fix |
| 00:39.34 | Cameron | also, how's the sound quality on those little things? |
| 00:39.42 | TCMAN | Cameron: c750 and c760, thoshiba genio 750, 755 all have new xscale |
| 00:39.43 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: iirc, the PXA240 rev 4 is the same as the PXA255 |
| 00:39.55 | Cameron | c750 is made by Zaurus? |
| 00:39.59 | Cameron | (sharp) |
| 00:40.00 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: so if you're REALLY lucky you get a 5600 that works :) |
| 00:40.01 | TCMAN | yes |
| 00:40.08 | Cameron | ahh, then I don't see it on their website |
| 00:40.12 | TCMAN | i am happy with my sl5500 |
| 00:40.16 | Cameron | under a special section? |
| 00:40.17 | treke | Cameron: I wouldnt count on an update for the 5600 |
| 00:40.19 | George`Roasting | Cameron: it's a japanese model |
| 00:40.30 | TCMAN | George`Roasting: not that i have this crappy camera i take pictures of everything :) |
| 00:40.32 | Cameron | ahah! That would explain it hehe |
| 00:40.51 | Cameron | George`Roasting: Is there any disadvantage to buying that one on eBay if I could find it as opposed to a standard US model? |
| 00:40.52 | TCMAN | and if mickey is listening: opie camera sucks (but less than sharp camera app) :))) |
| 00:41.05 | George`Roasting | blah. |
| 00:41.08 | George`Roasting | i dunno |
| 00:41.18 | TCMAN | Cameron: get sl5500 on ebay, but dont pay more than $200 |
| 00:41.28 | TCMAN | Cameron: tigerdirect had some cheaply too |
| 00:41.33 | Cameron | hmm |
| 00:41.48 | George`Roasting | or you can buy my 5000D for 400 USD |
| 00:41.52 | Cameron | lol |
| 00:41.55 | George`Roasting | (the D means it's turbocharged) |
| 00:41.58 | George`Roasting | :) |
| 00:42.01 | Cameron | haha |
| 00:42.05 | TCMAN | George`Roasting: no, its diesel :) |
| 00:42.14 | Cameron | ahh, cheaper recharging then ;) |
| 00:42.14 | George`Roasting | no, it's DAS UBER |
| 00:42.15 | zar | you can still find some factory refurbed 5500 for 199 with everything |
| 00:42.33 | Cameron | TCMAN: if for some reason I were willing to pay more, what advantages would those newer Japanese models have? |
| 00:42.33 | TCMAN | you can get my sl5500GTS though :))) |
| 00:42.50 | zar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.54 | Cameron | ooh |
| 00:42.59 | zar | the c700-760 |
| 00:43.00 | TCMAN | Cameron: much nicer screen, better keyboard, c750 and c760 have fixed cpu |
| 00:43.06 | TCMAN | more memory and flash |
| 00:43.06 | George`Roasting | zar: C700 sucks |
| 00:43.11 | Cameron | fixed CPU means? |
| 00:43.27 | TCMAN | pxa255 or something, so its really faster |
| 00:43.33 | George`Roasting | it's all about the PXA-255 and 128MB RAM and 64MB flash ROM and 640x480 screen and slightly nicer keyboard in the C760 |
| 00:43.54 | Cameron | how is it to port apps to these chips if they initially ran on x86? |
| 00:44.08 | zar | i was gonna get a c700 but for 200 bucks more I bought a laptop |
| 00:44.15 | Cameron | lol |
| 00:44.19 | TCMAN | Cameron: most of linux stuff just work when you recompile it |
| 00:44.36 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: what absolute crud :) |
| 00:44.41 | TCMAN | Cameron: qt apps are easy to port too (supposedly) |
| 00:44.54 | Cameron | cool |
| 00:44.57 | Cameron | http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/3849.html |
| 00:45.09 | TCMAN | George`Roasting: i added midnight commander to buildroot and i spent like couple hours tweaking config script only |
| 00:45.15 | Cameron | this seems to indicate that if I were to buy a c700, I would have to either learn Japanese or install a software patch! |
| 00:45.15 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: there's no reliable X implementation for the Zaurus as of yet, so that rules out 80% of linux apps |
| 00:45.19 | Cameron | is that true? |
| 00:45.27 | TCMAN | George`Roasting: i meant console apps |
| 00:45.36 | zar | for 999 you can get Compaq 2110US / Athlon XP 2000+ / 512MB / 60GB / DVD-CDRW Combo with 15inch active matrix or for 250 less a c700 thats just nuts |
| 00:45.38 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: well you didn't SAY console apps :P |
| 00:45.39 | TCMAN | but yes, i think that c7xx should move to x |
| 00:45.41 | Cameron | George`Roasting: Yes, that would be a prob. :) How long has the Zaurus been around anyhow? |
| 00:45.51 | George`Roasting | 2 years? |
| 00:45.57 | TCMAN | couple years |
| 00:46.06 | Cameron | ok |
| 00:46.14 | George`Roasting | 2.4.18 on my z is fucking unpredictable |
| 00:46.15 | Cameron | 1st model = black & white, no? |
| 00:46.22 | George`Roasting | Cameron: uh, no |
| 00:46.23 | TCMAN | Cameron: novas0x2a |
| 00:46.29 | TCMAN | Cameron: no |
| 00:46.31 | George`Roasting | Cameron: first model = 5000D |
| 00:46.34 | TCMAN | stupid autocomplete |
| 00:46.35 | Cameron | ahhhh, ok, ok |
| 00:46.39 | Cameron | heh |
| 00:46.40 | zar | ya i compiled up 2.4.18 and then went back to 2.4.6 on my 5500 |
| 00:46.44 | TCMAN | 5000d was first developer model with 32mb ram |
| 00:46.51 | Cameron | so what would be a good site to browse the full feature set of the Japanese models? |
| 00:46.58 | George`Roasting | zar: heh, didn't work out for you? |
| 00:47.06 | TCMAN | before that sharp made custom pdas with weird operating systems |
| 00:47.18 | TCMAN | although zoomer with geos was interesting |
| 00:47.20 | zar | it did but I had a couple of problems with patches I made for 2.4.6 |
| 00:48.11 | George`Roasting | what patches? |
| 00:48.38 | zar | I wrote one for my cf modem |
| 00:48.59 | TCMAN | Cameron: dynamism.com ? the-gadgeteer.com ? |
| 00:49.16 | TCMAN | zar: doesnt it work as serial port ? |
| 00:49.20 | zar | I need that when im on the road it works with my acoustic coupler |
| 00:49.32 | Cameron | thanks, TCMAN |
| 00:49.44 | TCMAN | acoustic couple... it reminds me war games :) |
| 00:50.10 | zar | I patched 2.4.6 but after a weekend with fucking around with the buildroot for oz 3.2 I said to hell with it and I wait for the new buildroot |
| 00:51.10 | *** join/#zaurus jvnguyen (~jnguyende@gateway-1237.mvista.com) |
| 00:51.49 | zar | I at least got my patched 2.4.6 running and I wacked that stupid pokemon that comes on at bootup |
| 00:53.24 | zar | TCMAN, Most payphone I can connect at 28.8 |
| 00:53.24 | TCMAN | DONT MESS WITH PINGIZAURU!!! |
| 00:53.32 | George`Roasting | ibot pingizauru |
| 00:53.33 | | hmm... pingizauru is big, fat, bloated and generally quite evil |
| 00:53.37 | George`Roasting | ;) |
| 00:53.43 | George`Roasting | ibot factinfo pingizauru |
| 00:53.43 | | pingizauru -- last modified at Tue Apr 8 21:55:25 2003 by George`Coding!~Test@212.126.151.69; it has been requested 3 times, last by George`Roasting, 10s ago. |
| 00:53.48 | George`Roasting | mwahahahaha |
| 00:53.49 | zar | hes dead on my zaurus I killed him |
| 00:53.59 | George`Roasting | pingizauru doesn't exist on mine either |
| 00:54.02 | George`Roasting | I run 2.4.18 |
| 00:54.03 | George`Roasting | heh |
| 00:54.11 | George`Roasting | so I have a tux in the corner instead :) |
| 00:54.12 | TCMAN | zar: pretty cool, if you find a payphone nowadays :))) |
| 00:54.15 | zar | I replaced him with proxy blue. |
| 00:54.28 | zar | http://www.proxyblue.com |
| 00:55.06 | zar | Id rather have a hot computer rendered chick on bootup than a fat penquin burping fire |
| 00:55.49 | TCMAN | aaaargh too much flash! |
| 00:56.04 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: my thoughts precisely |
| 00:56.06 | zar | lol I just modded one of the wallpapers from the site |
| 00:56.07 | TCMAN | wtf is proxyblue |
| 00:56.30 | m_0f | woo hoo got zaurus wifi working :) |
| 00:57.45 | zar | ibot pingizaru must die |
| 00:57.45 | | zar: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:57.49 | Cameron | Well, one last question for now for clarification: When did the C700 series emerge, and is it expected that a (likely cheaper) U.S. equivalent willbegin to ship soon? |
| 00:57.58 | zar | lmao |
| 00:58.02 | treke | Cameron: January, no |
| 00:58.23 | TCMAN | Cameron: never, cool japanese stuff never makes it here |
| 00:58.36 | Cameron | :( Why is that I wonder? |
| 00:58.47 | Cameron | You'd think they'd want to in order to beat the competition? |
| 00:58.48 | m_0f | like panty vending machines |
| 00:58.54 | Cameron | lol |
| 00:59.06 | treke | Cameron: It wont beat the competition if it doesnt sell |
| 00:59.10 | zar | Ill wait till enough japs fuckem up and return them to the factory and I can get them factory refurbed |
| 00:59.41 | TCMAN | me too |
| 00:59.48 | Cameron | treke: Any why wouldn't they sell if they were so great? |
| 00:59.49 | TCMAN | m_0f: exactly my thoughts :) |
| 01:00.09 | TCMAN | Cameron: because in US companies compete on price, not quality and features |
| 01:00.17 | treke | Cameron: They are still Linux/Qtopia based devices |
| 01:00.38 | TCMAN | Cameron: when did you last see advertisement that emphasized quality and features, not price ? |
| 01:01.19 | TCMAN | the fact is american consumers buy cheap POS makde in PRC |
| 01:01.25 | TCMAN | makde=made |
| 01:01.40 | treke | TCMAN: The zaurus is made in Taiwan iirc :p |
| 01:01.51 | TCMAN | thats why it doesnt sell :) |
| 01:01.58 | treke | hehe |
| 01:02.20 | TCMAN | and on mine it says made in japan |
| 01:02.48 | VampireZIM | what the hell is ProxyBlue? |
| 01:03.13 | zar | lol |
| 01:03.20 | zar | Its my zaurus boot up screen |
| 01:03.22 | m_0f | thats what i was wondering |
| 01:03.30 | VampireZIM | heh |
| 01:03.47 | *** join/#zaurus stigger (~stigger@p021-n1-gos.nlc.net.au) |
| 01:04.07 | VampireZIM | all i can see is a nicely built web site |
| 01:04.28 | zar | proxy blue was a rendered news caster on a tv show called mutant x in the first season |
| 01:04.58 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: nicely ? this flash burns my eyes!!! |
| 01:05.12 | VampireZIM | its a nice page |
| 01:05.18 | VampireZIM | you cant live in CLI forever |
| 01:05.38 | TCMAN | yeah, its nice, it actually works in mozilla :) |
| 01:05.38 | George`Roasting | VampireZIM: NICELY BUILT?!?!? |
| 01:05.41 | treke | VampireZIM: you can't? |
| 01:05.41 | George`Roasting | It's FULL OF FLASH |
| 01:05.49 | treke | watch me |
| 01:05.52 | VampireZIM | seems you linux people often build web pages in a text editor, ugly, boring |
| 01:06.08 | zar | Vamp are you a female? |
| 01:06.11 | treke | what else would you build them in? |
| 01:07.07 | zar | I still use lynx lol |
| 01:07.19 | George`Roasting | treke: note - VampireZIM is a windows user |
| 01:07.19 | TCMAN | i build my pages using hex editor :) |
| 01:07.34 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: not a binary editor? |
| 01:07.58 | TCMAN | George`Roasting: and what is binary editor ? have you ever seen one ? |
| 01:08.12 | VampireZIM | i love XP |
| 01:08.15 | VampireZIM | XP rules |
| 01:08.17 | VampireZIM | :P |
| 01:08.20 | TCMAN | George`Roasting: the last binary editors were big panels of switches in 50's era computers |
| 01:08.38 | Cameron | hehehehehe |
| 01:08.43 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: uh, kde has one :) |
| 01:08.56 | George`Roasting | somewhere... :P |
| 01:08.58 | VampireZIM | Linux is great for servers, i use it as a server to run my companies, and i love Linux as a PDA OS, but LINUX has no place on the desktop, sorry |
| 01:09.34 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: i still use windows for desktop, but thats probably going to change in couple months |
| 01:09.36 | George`Roasting | this is coming from the person that says Macs are for retards that can't use winxp |
| 01:09.43 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: i agree thats more pain that windows now |
| 01:09.55 | Cameron | Anyone here used a Zaurus as an MP3/OGG Vorbis player? |
| 01:10.05 | treke | GNOME, now that has absolutly no place anywhere :) |
| 01:10.06 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: but as soon as i get some decennt dvd burning in linux i will probably move to linux only |
| 01:10.15 | VampireZIM | wow, at least you have an open mind. :) i was expecting a debate, one i wasnt interested in getting into. :) |
| 01:10.31 | zar | kde 3.1 |
| 01:10.40 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: i have pretty good collection of native linux games now |
| 01:10.49 | Cameron | If not, any idea how the sound quality really would be? |
| 01:10.55 | VampireZIM | i wish there were more on Z at 640X480 |
| 01:10.57 | Cameron | is it a crappy built-in DSP most likely? |
| 01:10.58 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: and i am getting a notebook from work, that will run windows |
| 01:11.00 | zar | I have a windows xp partition that I only use to play video games lol |
| 01:11.04 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: wth, I last used windows like, 2 years ago :) |
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| 01:12.36 | Cameron | You mean to tell me that none of you have listened to a sound on your PDA? |
| 01:12.53 | George`Roasting | Cameron: oh, I use mine as an ogg player |
| 01:12.58 | VampireZIM | i do all the time |
| 01:13.00 | TCMAN | mp3 play ok in opie player |
| 01:13.02 | VampireZIM | why? |
| 01:13.24 | Cameron | is the sound quality reasonable? |
| 01:13.34 | treke | TCMAN: welcome to the club |
| 01:13.39 | TCMAN | win2k is a peak of microsoft engineering |
| 01:13.40 | Cameron | b/c it is so small and not designed to be a sound player |
| 01:13.41 | VampireZIM | on the internal speaker is the worst of any PDA i have used |
| 01:13.47 | treke | TCMAN: The only thing it has going for it is that it's reasonably stable |
| 01:13.49 | Cameron | so I thought maybe even the earphone sound'd be bad |
| 01:13.50 | TCMAN | the same goes for msvc 6 |
| 01:14.01 | VampireZIM | but the MP3 quality through headphones is the best i have heard on any PDA |
| 01:14.07 | Cameron | cool |
| 01:14.12 | TCMAN | vc.net just drives me crazy |
| 01:14.13 | Cameron-Gawn | I'll probably bbl |
| 01:14.15 | Cameron-Gawn | adios |
| 01:14.30 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: Win2k was the only windows that ever made "semi-stable" status :) |
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| 01:14.32 | treke | winxp always seems to crash when doing the oddest things :) |
| 01:14.36 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: winxp is a fucking joke |
| 01:14.39 | TCMAN | and the worst thing is more and more projects at office switch or start in vc.net |
| 01:15.16 | treke | you know how the old saying goes. Win 95 was more stable than NT |
| 01:15.22 | treke | It only crashes when you do something |
| 01:15.43 | TCMAN | treke: or when 49 days pass :) |
| 01:15.51 | TCMAN | and tick counter overflows |
| 01:16.34 | zar | did someone say buffer overflows and microsofts trusted computing lmao |
| 01:20.08 | TCMAN | well my buddies at ms say they have meetings and trainings about security and writing secure code |
| 01:20.17 | treke | ChipX86: Are you going to be releasing source for libgaim? |
| 01:20.29 | TCMAN | but probably everyone treats it like "wash your hands after using bathroom" |
| 01:20.36 | *** join/#zaurus wyv3rn (~supergibs@dcn243-123.dcn.davis.ca.us) |
| 01:20.38 | TCMAN | some people do, some dont |
| 01:21.53 | VampireZIM | i wear underwear, so my dick doesnt get dirty |
| 01:22.14 | treke | another excellant tactic |
| 01:22.26 | VampireZIM | :) |
| 01:22.45 | treke | realistically you should be washing your hands first. They are the ones exposed to everything, instead of hiding in a nice clean pair of pants |
| 01:23.37 | TCMAN | just stay away from me |
| 01:26.49 | TCMAN | preferably downwind :) |
| 01:29.09 | ChipX86 | treke: libgaim is gaim CVS with a patch to remove all remaining UI stuff |
| 01:29.10 | jnguyen | has anyone used gpe on the zaurus, is it possible? |
| 01:29.16 | ChipX86 | I'll release a tarball after 0.67 is released |
| 01:29.27 | treke | ChipX86: is that coming up soon? :p |
| 01:29.30 | TCMAN | jnguyen: probably |
| 01:29.34 | ChipX86 | I'm really hoping it's in the next 2 days |
| 01:29.50 | treke | I despise having to install software manually :) |
| 01:30.01 | ChipX86 | I also need to get that tarball so it can actually build without too much difficulty |
| 01:30.05 | TCMAN | jnguyen: you would have to make your own distro for that probably |
| 01:30.17 | TCMAN | jnguyen: take oz, remove opie and add qpe |
| 01:30.32 | treke | TCMAN: easier said than done :p |
| 01:30.37 | TCMAN | jnguyen: or just take oz and compile and install qpe to sd card or something |
| 01:30.46 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: he said Gpe not Qpe |
| 01:30.50 | George`Roasting | tsk tsk tsk |
| 01:30.51 | TCMAN | treke: it CAN be done, i didnt say its izy |
| 01:30.55 | TCMAN | whatever :) |
| 01:31.01 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: GPE is X11 |
| 01:31.09 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: X11 sucks on Z |
| 01:31.11 | TCMAN | not gtk embedded ? |
| 01:31.15 | treke | TCMAN: nope |
| 01:31.18 | treke | it's X11 based |
| 01:31.21 | TCMAN | bleee |
| 01:31.34 | treke | and about 4 or 5 people I know of have tried getting gpe into oz |
| 01:31.36 | treke | all failed :p |
| 01:31.39 | TCMAN | ok, that just makes it a little harder |
| 01:31.43 | treke | TCMAN: Nothing wrong with X |
| 01:31.45 | TCMAN | :) |
| 01:31.52 | W8TVI | whats the name of opie's tab editor? |
| 01:31.53 | treke | it already gets built |
| 01:32.05 | treke | W8TVI: AdvancedFM |
| 01:32.06 | TCMAN | treke: right, just big layer of crap, nothing wrong |
| 01:32.14 | treke | no worse than qt/e |
| 01:32.51 | TCMAN | treke: i messed a little in x internals couple times |
| 01:33.00 | W8TVI | not the file manager |
| 01:33.07 | George`Roasting | I seem to remember having a working GPE on my Z at some point |
| 01:33.22 | TCMAN | treke: when i worked for frontpath and made a onscreen keyboard that was totally transparent to applications |
| 01:34.14 | TCMAN | treke: i hooked video driver, put keyboard into overlay and hooked touchscreen driver to grab events in keyb area, and then injected scancodes into kernel straight to keyboard driver |
| 01:34.16 | treke | gpe's biggest problem is that it is ugly as george |
| 01:34.24 | George`Roasting | thanks a lot |
| 01:34.37 | TCMAN | that was the fucking sweetest virtual keyboard ever |
| 01:34.42 | George`Roasting | opie's biggest problem is it's as bloated as treke |
| 01:34.49 | George`Roasting | anyway... |
| 01:35.17 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: dood, it's a VIRTUAL KEYBOARD |
| 01:35.26 | ChipX86 | treke: 0.67 will be released Thursday |
| 01:35.26 | treke | couple more hours of roasting and it'll be time for turkey dinner |
| 01:35.31 | treke | ChipX86: sweet |
| 01:35.32 | George`Roasting | TCMAN: and do go about thinking you're high and mighty, ATI-JANITOR! |
| 01:35.33 | George`Roasting | :0 |
| 01:35.35 | George`Roasting | :) |
| 01:35.45 | TCMAN | and now frontpath is no more, sonicblue is no more, and probably the cvs server got sold to suplus store |
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| 01:36.27 | ChipX86 | when 0.67 is out, I'll provide a tarball and updated packages in the feed. After that, I'm hoping to keep qpe-gaim releases in sync, time-wise, with gaim releases, so that it can always use a release libgaim |
| 01:36.33 | TCMAN | hehe |
| 01:36.47 | W8TVI | any idea what opie-launcher's tab editer is called? |
| 01:36.48 | TCMAN | George`Roasting: its just traumatic dotcom experience :) |
| 01:36.50 | George`Roasting | anyway, I think we've established through this enlightening discussion, that VampireZIM is a lame windows user :) |
| 01:37.09 | ChipX86 | and with any luck, 0.70 will be fully split, and you'll just be able to build libgaim off the release directly without a patch |
| 01:37.35 | treke | sweet |
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| 01:38.16 | TCMAN | gaim is cool, i dumped ickle and use gaim now on my notebook |
| 01:38.29 | ChipX86 | :) |
| 01:38.34 | ChipX86 | we have some cool stuff in development |
| 01:38.35 | George`Roasting | VampireZIM: <George`Roasting> anyway, I think we've established through this enlightening discussion, that VampireZIM is a lame windows user :) |
| 01:38.37 | George`Roasting | :P |
| 01:38.58 | treke | I think we've established that George`Roasting is 14 |
| 01:38.59 | treke | :) |
| 01:39.08 | George`Roasting | FIFTEEN |
| 01:39.10 | George`Roasting | grrr |
| 01:39.10 | George`Roasting | :P |
| 01:39.14 | treke | my mistake |
| 01:39.16 | George`Roasting | heh |
| 01:39.28 | TCMAN | ChipX86: yeah, give me new message notification in icon :) |
| 01:39.35 | ChipX86 | TCMAN: ask Robot101 :) |
| 01:39.46 | ChipX86 | he handles all stuff regarding the docklet plugin |
| 01:40.05 | TCMAN | ChipX86: it has to be in docklet but also on taskbar |
| 01:40.08 | ChipX86 | we should have "Person" or "meta-contact" or whatever support within 2 releases |
| 01:40.38 | ChipX86 | where multiple UIs can connect to it? |
| 01:40.43 | treke | yup |
| 01:40.52 | ChipX86 | I have plans for that, but don't expect it any time soon |
| 01:40.53 | TCMAN | treke: sick |
| 01:40.55 | ChipX86 | it'll kind of work as a proxy |
| 01:40.59 | treke | sweet |
| 01:41.11 | ChipX86 | of course, I have enough plans for gaim to keep me busy for about 3 years.. |
| 01:41.19 | imk | multiple uis, eh? |
| 01:41.21 | imk | kinda like imap |
| 01:41.22 | imk | hehe |
| 01:41.55 | TCMAN | yeah, and make everything a separate process, and at very beginning of every process allocate at least 1mb of memory just for kicks |
| 01:42.26 | imk | ims arent THAT important to me, hehe... if i walk away from the computer or go to another one, oh well... if i need to see it i can always hop on vnc, hehe... or just walk over to it... and when i leave the house, i have it forward all incoming messages to my cell phone... |
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| 01:43.24 | imk | weee, cross compiled kismet 3.0.1 to my Z |
| 01:43.54 | W8TVI | I want a copy!!! |
| 01:43.57 | W8TVI | :) |
| 01:44.24 | W8TVI | Pleeeeeaaaaassssseee?! |
| 01:44.25 | imk | right now i did it without libpcap because i dont have libpcap on my Z... i think theres one in the OZ feed... so ill grab a copy of that later and try |
| 01:44.45 | imk | W8TVI: well, i can send you a tar.gz ... i havent tested it yet ;p im booting my Z now to test it |
| 01:45.14 | W8TVI | that would be fine |
| 01:45.19 | W8TVI | but test it first... |
| 01:45.35 | W8TVI | that way no time will be wasted on sending a bad copy |
| 01:45.49 | W8TVI | I use libcap |
| 01:45.59 | imk | hehe |
| 01:46.27 | W8TVI | libpcap |
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| 01:53.15 | imk | k, copying it over to my Z now |
| 01:54.12 | imk | or at least i think so... my ssh has some serious issues... it likes to kill my Z =/ hehe |
| 01:55.09 | imk | dinner, wait longer |
| 01:55.10 | imk | :D |
| 01:59.06 | George`ZZZzzz | night |
| 01:59.14 | TCMAN | gnight |
| 01:59.38 | George`ZZZzzz | TCMAN: send me a radeon 9800 pro would ya? |
| 01:59.47 | George`ZZZzzz | or failing that, a Radeon 9000 :) |
| 01:59.50 | TCMAN | George`ZZZzzz: yeah, right |
| 02:00.50 | TCMAN | George`ZZZzzz: lemme pick up one from the tree |
| 02:01.10 | George`ZZZzzz | TCMAN: nifty |
| 02:01.26 | George`ZZZzzz | ok, I'm gone |
| 02:01.35 | TCMAN | George`ZZZzzz: i see only green ones :) |
| 02:01.51 | TCMAN | we have to wait till they turn red :) |
| 02:08.50 | TCMAN | time to go home, bye guys |
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| 02:42.42 | imk | W8TVI: k, gonna test it now :D |
| 02:42.47 | W8TVI | k |
| 02:43.41 | imk | whats pcap for? |
| 02:43.55 | W8TVI | not sure...lol |
| 02:44.40 | imk | hehehe |
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| 02:49.06 | W8TVI | does it work? |
| 02:49.57 | Cameron | Is the battery life on the 5600 worse or better than the SL-5500? |
| 02:50.09 | W8TVI | dont know |
| 02:51.19 | Cameron | Anyone here use the Zaurus w/ a Linux desktop machine? |
| 02:53.24 | VampireZIM | 5600 had a better batteru |
| 02:53.30 | VampireZIM | battery |
| 02:53.48 | Cameron | ah |
| 02:53.58 | Cameron | VampireZIM: about how much longer would you say? |
| 02:54.05 | Cameron | Significantly? |
| 02:54.06 | VampireZIM | no idea |
| 02:54.14 | VampireZIM | google.com |
| 02:54.24 | VampireZIM | i am sure there are specs and reviews |
| 02:55.40 | Cameron | k :) |
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| 02:55.53 | TCMAN | re |
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| 02:57.52 | W8TVI | so imk, did it work? |
| 02:59.27 | imk | well i dunno what to run, kismet_monitor and then kismet? |
| 02:59.50 | W8TVI | just run kismet |
| 03:00.14 | W8TVI | kismet_monitor is ran by kismet |
| 03:00.26 | imk | ah |
| 03:02.47 | imk | hmm, ran but exited |
| 03:03.09 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 03:03.14 | W8TVI | send me a copy |
| 03:03.21 | imk | couldnt connect to localhost |
| 03:03.32 | imk | FATAL: Could not connect to localhost:2501. |
| 03:04.04 | W8TVI | werid |
| 03:04.09 | W8TVI | send it to me anyway |
| 03:04.15 | imk | hehe |
| 03:05.11 | imk | i woulda gzipped it but when i did, i put it on my Z and my Z said it couldnt gunzip it cause bad magic |
| 03:05.37 | imk | hmm, might require pcap too |
| 03:05.42 | W8TVI | I just use the unzip program on my desktop and scp it over |
| 03:05.45 | imk | ill compile that in |
| 03:05.58 | imk | FATAL: Source 0 (ciscosource): Pcap support was not compiled in. |
| 03:05.59 | imk | Starting UI... |
| 03:05.59 | imk | FATAL: Could not connect to localhost:2501. |
| 03:06.15 | W8TVI | hmmm |
| 03:06.31 | W8TVI | well... recompile :) |
| 03:06.36 | imk | although, i never did edit the config files |
| 03:06.38 | imk | hehe |
| 03:07.28 | W8TVI | I dont have to stuff to compile for the z |
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| 03:12.39 | pdarev | hey kids |
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| 03:14.56 | VampireZIM | so, you like that keyboard? |
| 03:17.20 | Cameron | wow! such glowing reviews of the 5500 on Amazon.com! |
| 03:17.27 | Cameron | I've got to get one :-D |
| 03:17.32 | rev|z | heyyy |
| 03:17.36 | rev|z | cmeron |
| 03:17.40 | Cameron | one question: it doesen't have a USB port, right |
| 03:17.42 | Cameron | hello, rev|z |
| 03:17.48 | VampireZIM | obviously they didnt actually have one in front of them when they wrote it. :) |
| 03:17.49 | rev|z | that is what we call a bit of cheerleading |
| 03:17.52 | rev|z | linux cheerleading |
| 03:17.52 | rev|z | haha |
| 03:17.58 | Cameron | hehehe |
| 03:18.05 | rev|z | yeah, vampy is right |
| 03:18.06 | rev|z | no |
| 03:18.07 | rev|z | seriously |
| 03:18.07 | Cameron | ooh, you're talking from your Zaurus, rev? |
| 03:18.16 | rev|z | yse |
| 03:18.30 | rev|z | i have a C760 |
| 03:18.31 | rev|z | but |
| 03:18.38 | Cameron | hehe not inspiring confidence in the keyboard, rev|z ;) |
| 03:19.00 | rev|z | the 5500 and all linux zaurus models are definately... substandard in ways |
| 03:19.03 | rev|z | i made one spelling mistake |
| 03:19.20 | rev|z | the 5500's keyboard wasn't useful for me for typing |
| 03:19.21 | VampireZIM | me and rev have C7x0 machines, the 5500 is pretty weak compaired, but i have used more PDAs that i can count and in my opinion screen is the most important part of a PDA and the screen on 5x00 are crap |
| 03:19.34 | rev|z | but i've a Pockettop IR keyboard for the C760 |
| 03:19.44 | imk | hmm, i dnuno what pcap type to compile in? wheres a list? |
| 03:20.08 | rev|z | just bought it from vampire- it's quite nice actually... not ashandy as my Jornada 720 keyboard |
| 03:20.28 | rev|z | but that's mostly because it had a builtin number row and this you have to hit number plus the key |
| 03:20.32 | rev|z | oh |
| 03:20.34 | rev|z | and cam |
| 03:20.36 | Cameron | rev|z: but the C760 is too expen$ive for me :) |
| 03:20.39 | Cameron | and overkil, too |
| 03:20.41 | Cameron | yes, rev|z? |
| 03:20.48 | rev|z | no zaurus has a real USB hostport |
| 03:20.51 | rev|z | it's a serial port |
| 03:20.55 | Cameron | k, just wondering... |
| 03:20.58 | rev|z | but you can connect to the PC via USB |
| 03:20.59 | VampireZIM | you can get C700 for $400 |
| 03:20.59 | rev|z | but |
| 03:21.04 | Cameron | (for hooking up mice, etc.) |
| 03:21.10 | rev|z | you can get a USB CF card for the zaurus |
| 03:21.11 | Cameron | VampireZIM: hmm, reaaaaallly...eBay? |
| 03:21.14 | rev|z | but i doubt mice work |
| 03:21.20 | VampireZIM | i will sell you mine for $400 |
| 03:21.20 | rev|z | maybe in X11 |
| 03:21.22 | VampireZIM | :) |
| 03:21.26 | rev|z | but not in Qtopia |
| 03:21.33 | Cameron | rev|z: then what would the USB be good for? |
| 03:21.41 | Cameron | external harddrive or something? |
| 03:21.41 | rev|z | not sure |
| 03:21.44 | rev|z | well |
| 03:21.46 | Cameron | VampireZIM: lol, why are you selling yours |
| 03:21.56 | rev|z | pretty much anything Linux would support on the ARM platform |
| 03:21.57 | W8TVI | not sure imk |
| 03:22.06 | VampireZIM | i need money for a project, the project will make me money i can then use to buy a C760 |
| 03:22.07 | VampireZIM | :) |
| 03:22.08 | rev|z | but qtopia on the zaurus likely wouldnt' recognize the mouse and use it |
| 03:22.20 | Cameron | lol, ok |
| 03:22.25 | Cameron | VampireZIM: why don't you list it on eBay/ |
| 03:22.32 | rev|z | ebay is often a pain |
| 03:22.34 | Cameron | you could probably get a better price there anyway :) |
| 03:22.37 | VampireZIM | its in new condition, converted to English by Dynamism |
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| 03:22.57 | rev|z | cameron: have you ever had another PDA? winCE pocketPC or PalmOS? |
| 03:23.00 | VampireZIM | i dont have an ebay account and dont want to use a friends, i dont really want to sell it, but if your offering, i will. |
| 03:23.13 | Cameron | nope. I've used a Palm for a little while before, rev|z, but it was not mine |
| 03:23.16 | rev|z | vampy: why have you kept it? |
| 03:23.23 | rev|z | ah |
| 03:23.31 | VampireZIM | i love my C700 |
| 03:23.43 | VampireZIM | and the new UX50 isnt upgradable to OS6, so its garbage |
| 03:23.46 | Cameron | VampireZIM: I appreciate the offe, but I think it's overkill for me. I'd rather get something less flashy and more standard (for here in the U.S.) |
| 03:23.49 | rev|z | then maybe you wouldn't miss all of the stuff that is easy and user friendly on PocketPC and PalmOS that is a huge pain in the ass on the zaurus |
| 03:24.00 | ljp | if youlove it so much, why not marry it? |
| 03:24.10 | rev|z | haha i will pee wee |
| 03:24.12 | Cameron | rev|z: right -- I'm used to Linux anyways :) Linux is eaazy ;) |
| 03:24.17 | rev|z | umm |
| 03:24.17 | VampireZIM | C700 runs most of the 5500 apps and it a thousand times better, i honestly wouldnt own a 5x00 machine |
| 03:24.19 | rev|z | it's not about linux |
| 03:24.25 | rev|z | it's about very poor support |
| 03:24.30 | ljp | c700 is rather nice screen |
| 03:24.42 | Cameron | rev|z: but isn't the PIM functionality pretty good since the more recent firmware upgrade? |
| 03:24.43 | rev|z | it is very easy to get app for Linux desktop GUIs |
| 03:24.56 | rev|z | cameron: it is a little better, but still lacking |
| 03:25.12 | rev|z | the c7x0 series have an incredible screen |
| 03:25.20 | Cameron | rev|z: ok. well, that's to be expected I guess -- what areas do you find it needs improvement in? |
| 03:25.34 | Cameron | rev|z: only in resolution, right -- otherwise it's basically the same? |
| 03:25.38 | rev|z | 640x480, very sharp- it is incredible for web browsing |
| 03:25.42 | rev|z | well |
| 03:25.46 | rev|z | it's quite bright |
| 03:25.59 | Cameron | brighter than the 5500? |
| 03:26.02 | rev|z | it is a little crappier in that it isn't reflective, whereas most recent color PDA screens are |
| 03:26.03 | rev|z | u |
| 03:26.05 | rev|z | er ummm |
| 03:26.05 | VampireZIM | C7x0 screen is the best screen |
| 03:26.11 | rev|z | the 5500 has a really shitty screen |
| 03:26.12 | Cameron | VampireZIM: how much does the 700 retail for? |
| 03:26.13 | VampireZIM | lol, 5x00 has a backlight? |
| 03:26.15 | VampireZIM | jk |
| 03:26.19 | rev|z | probably the worse PDA screen i've ever seen |
| 03:26.23 | rev|z | color or mono |
| 03:26.30 | rev|z | honestly |
| 03:26.30 | VampireZIM | cam: go to Dynamism.com |
| 03:26.34 | rev|z | it was a huge disapointment |
| 03:26.37 | Cameron | rev|z: I thought it WAS reflective? |
| 03:26.43 | Cameron | k, VampireZIM |
| 03:26.47 | ljp | 5x00 has a frontlight, not a backlight |
| 03:26.48 | rev|z | not on the c7xO |
| 03:26.56 | rev|z | it is on the 5500 though |
| 03:27.09 | rev|z | the 700 has a non-reflective screen |
| 03:27.09 | Cameron | ljp: then you can't see it in the dark? |
| 03:27.18 | VampireZIM | 5500 is the worst screen on a pda i have seen since monochrom |
| 03:27.21 | Cameron | right... |
| 03:27.26 | Cameron | lol, VampireZIM good selling job ;-) |
| 03:27.29 | rev|z | although it is at least partially readable in the sun, it's not as bad as other non-reflective PDA and laptop screens |
| 03:27.34 | rev|z | actually |
| 03:27.35 | VampireZIM | being honest ask anyone |
| 03:27.42 | rev|z | most mono screens are a lot better than the 5500 |
| 03:27.43 | rev|z | more readable |
| 03:27.49 | Cameron | lol |
| 03:27.52 | rev|z | seriously |
| 03:27.56 | rev|z | no joke |
| 03:28.05 | rev|z | the 5500 screen was a gigantic disapointment |
| 03:28.09 | Cameron | I'll take that into consideration |
| 03:28.10 | rev|z | it's funny actually |
| 03:28.16 | rev|z | sharp makes the screen for the 5500 |
| 03:28.17 | rev|z | and |
| 03:28.25 | rev|z | they make other small LCD screens |
| 03:28.27 | Cameron | it ain't sharp ? |
| 03:28.28 | Cameron | ;) |
| 03:28.43 | rev|z | including the screens of the zaurus c7x0 as well as the Dell Axim |
| 03:28.45 | Cameron | rev|z: The precursor to the 5500 had a better screen? |
| 03:28.55 | rev|z | both are the best screens i've seen on a PDA |
| 03:28.56 | rev|z | no |
| 03:29.18 | rev|z | the 5500, 5600, and 5000D (the precursor) all have had the sae screen |
| 03:29.21 | VampireZIM | c700 screen is unbelievable |
| 03:29.22 | rev|z | but sharp makes the dell axim screen |
| 03:29.35 | rev|z | same resolution and everything- but it's a hundred times better |
| 03:29.37 | Cameron | rev|z: I'm confused then -- you said the screen was a disappointment? |
| 03:29.38 | rev|z | it's actually bright |
| 03:29.38 | VampireZIM | the screen on C700 is the reason i got one |
| 03:29.40 | Cameron | ahh ok |
| 03:29.42 | rev|z | and a lot more sharp |
| 03:29.42 | stigger | come on the scree on the palm m505 was crap |
| 03:29.44 | Cameron | gotcha |
| 03:29.44 | rev|z | cameron |
| 03:29.48 | rev|z | i am talking about two different PDAs |
| 03:29.55 | Cameron | axim vs. Zaurus |
| 03:29.56 | Cameron | same screen |
| 03:30.03 | Cameron | better implemen on non Sharp (dell PDA) |
| 03:30.03 | rev|z | no |
| 03:30.04 | Cameron | right?: |
| 03:30.05 | rev|z | no no no |
| 03:30.08 | Cameron | hehe ok |
| 03:30.12 | rev|z | the dell has a 320x240 screen |
| 03:30.17 | Cameron | alright |
| 03:30.20 | rev|z | which is made by sharp |
| 03:30.23 | Cameron | k |
| 03:30.27 | rev|z | and it is the best screen of that size i have seen |
| 03:30.27 | Cameron | same as 5500 or diff? |
| 03:30.30 | rev|z | no |
| 03:30.31 | rev|z | oi |
| 03:30.32 | Cameron | k |
| 03:30.33 | Cameron | :) |
| 03:30.35 | Cameron | I understand |
| 03:30.37 | Cameron | just making sure |
| 03:31.17 | rev|z | the 5x00 has a different screen- also made by sharp |
| 03:31.19 | rev|z | except |
| 03:31.21 | rev|z | for some reason |
| 03:31.25 | Cameron | not as good |
| 03:31.29 | rev|z | sharp uses the shittiest screen for their own PDA |
| 03:31.29 | rev|z | no |
| 03:31.33 | rev|z | not just a little worse |
| 03:31.37 | rev|z | it is really bad |
| 03:31.43 | Cameron | hehe |
| 03:31.50 | rev|z | the axim at the lowest brightness setting |
| 03:31.53 | Cameron | a wonder that so many users glowed over it on Amazon.com |
| 03:32.01 | Cameron | I wonder why they didn't notice what you have, rev|z |
| 03:32.03 | rev|z | was brighter than the 5500's highest |
| 03:32.12 | VampireZIM | did any of them mention the screen at all? |
| 03:32.13 | Cameron | conclusion: All Amazon.com users and BLIND :) |
| 03:32.17 | Cameron | VampireZIM: yup |
| 03:32.21 | rev|z | umm no |
| 03:32.23 | Cameron | let me find an excerpt for you |
| 03:32.29 | rev|z | it's not that amazon people are blink |
| 03:32.30 | rev|z | er blind |
| 03:32.42 | VampireZIM | i wonder what they were using as a comparison, a digital watch? |
| 03:32.44 | rev|z | but the people who made posts were probably the ones who really liked it |
| 03:32.46 | W8TVI | ant luck imk? |
| 03:32.48 | rev|z | rather than just selling it |
| 03:32.48 | rev|z | haha |
| 03:32.50 | W8TVI | any |
| 03:32.54 | rev|z | vamp is probably right |
| 03:33.03 | rev|z | and a lot of them probably never had a good PDA to compare by |
| 03:33.09 | rev|z | i dunno |
| 03:33.15 | rev|z | maybe vampy and i should just shut up |
| 03:33.18 | rev|z | let cameron buy one |
| 03:33.18 | imk | W8TVI: working onit |
| 03:33.21 | rev|z | and see for himself |
| 03:33.23 | W8TVI | k |
| 03:33.25 | KhensU | please |
| 03:33.27 | rev|z | it's like some mac users |
| 03:33.45 | rev|z | you just can't tell them the truth without the being suspicious |
| 03:33.50 | Cameron | lol |
| 03:33.55 | rev|z | the zaurus reality distortion field |
| 03:34.08 | Cameron | I believe what you say |
| 03:34.17 | Cameron | I just wonder if I would perceive it the same way |
| 03:34.23 | Cameron | and don't want to believe what you're saying |
| 03:34.24 | rev|z | who knows |
| 03:34.32 | Cameron | because buying the 5500 would be the easiest and cheapest thing to do |
| 03:34.38 | rev|z | if you've never used a good PDA it would be easier to just deal with it |
| 03:34.46 | rev|z | the cheapest compared to what? |
| 03:34.56 | KhensU | what's a 'good' pda? |
| 03:35.01 | rev|z | i have used a nubmer of other PDAs before buying the zaurus |
| 03:35.02 | VampireZIM | C7x0 |
| 03:35.08 | Cameron | compared to scouting the C700 out on eBay or buying it from VampireZIM, etc. |
| 03:35.14 | rev|z | compared to the 5500 a lot of them are |
| 03:35.18 | rev|z | however |
| 03:35.25 | rev|z | that isn't coungting moral points |
| 03:35.26 | rev|z | that is |
| 03:35.32 | KhensU | what qualifies as 'good'? |
| 03:35.38 | fliplap | easy |
| 03:35.40 | fliplap | stable |
| 03:35.41 | rev|z | wanting to run linux for no reason other than it is linux vs running a closed OS like WinCE or PalmOS |
| 03:35.52 | W8TVI | the 5500 screen is better than all the palm pda screens I jave seen |
| 03:35.53 | fliplap | but the Z does a lot of things that the other don't |
| 03:35.56 | Cameron | rev|z: I used an old Palm Personal, a Palm VIIIe, and for a day I used a Palm IIIC |
| 03:35.59 | Cameron | (when it first came out) |
| 03:36.15 | rev|z | a good PDA has decent hardware- a CPU that runs most existing apps and the OS at a decent speed |
| 03:36.38 | rev|z | enough RAM for running a slightly above average load of apps without choaking |
| 03:36.40 | VampireZIM | w8: lol, even the 320X320 res screens? |
| 03:36.48 | rev|z | yeah |
| 03:36.51 | rev|z | no way man |
| 03:36.57 | Cameron | W8TVI: compared to which ones? |
| 03:37.03 | fliplap | yeah, those sonys with the 480x320 screens are nice |
| 03:37.04 | Cameron | rev|z: you used a Palm IIIC? |
| 03:37.10 | rev|z | the zire 71 and tungsten C, T, and T2 screens are a lot better than the 5500 |
| 03:37.13 | Cameron | (really old one, but it's the best I can compare with) |
| 03:37.17 | rev|z | cam: i've seen one |
| 03:37.23 | rev|z | but never owned one |
| 03:37.24 | Cameron | rev|z: screen was pretty bright, I think |
| 03:37.28 | rev|z | played aorund a fair amount |
| 03:37.33 | W8TVI | any of the os 4 and under pdas |
| 03:37.35 | fliplap | i do like the Z screen in sunlight tho |
| 03:37.36 | rev|z | but the 160x160 screen sucked |
| 03:37.39 | Cameron | not spectacular, but perfectly fine (backlit, though, so not sure about in sunlight) |
| 03:37.41 | W8TVI | even the sony hi-res |
| 03:37.41 | rev|z | ade it really pixely |
| 03:37.44 | Cameron | rev|z: sure did! |
| 03:37.49 | fliplap | yes, the 160x160 color Palm screens were ass |
| 03:37.55 | rev|z | yeah |
| 03:37.58 | rev|z | but heck |
| 03:38.00 | fliplap | not reflective or anything, useless in sunlight |
| 03:38.04 | rev|z | darn near any screen at that res sucks |
| 03:38.04 | VampireZIM | the closest thing to the screen on C7x0 is the CLIE 320X480 screens, but even they are only half the res of C7x0 |
| 03:38.10 | rev|z | yeah |
| 03:38.15 | fliplap | i liked the screen on my PalmVx |
| 03:38.15 | rev|z | but they are also quite nice |
| 03:38.20 | W8TVI | my mom has a sony sj-22 |
| 03:38.26 | rev|z | still better than a 240x320 |
| 03:38.27 | W8TVI | its not as nice as my 5500 |
| 03:38.41 | VampireZIM | lol, sj-22 is 160X160 isnt it? |
| 03:38.46 | rev|z | that'll do it |
| 03:38.46 | W8TVI | nope |
| 03:38.48 | W8TVI | 320x320 |
| 03:38.56 | W8TVI | sony hi-res |
| 03:39.02 | rev|z | mmhmm |
| 03:39.03 | W8TVI | I still dont like the screen |
| 03:39.09 | W8TVI | its ugly |
| 03:39.20 | rev|z | what is ugly? |
| 03:39.29 | rev|z | the shape |
| 03:39.33 | rev|z | hte OS |
| 03:39.34 | rev|z | the fonts |
| 03:39.40 | rev|z | or is the screen it self somehow ... ugly |
| 03:39.57 | Cameron | I still haven't really gotten a clear answer to one question though: Will the C700 really be easily visible in sunlight compared to the 5500? Also, doesen't it eat up more battery because of the light? |
| 03:40.29 | rev|z | well |
| 03:40.35 | rev|z | the 5500 is reflective |
| 03:40.39 | rev|z | the C700 is not |
| 03:40.40 | rev|z | howver |
| 03:40.46 | rev|z | at full brightnss |
| 03:40.54 | rev|z | i have found the 760 to be fairly readable |
| 03:40.57 | rev|z | in really bright sunlight |
| 03:41.01 | VampireZIM | you can see C700 in daylight, but its not reflective |
| 03:41.05 | rev|z | for me it was an important factor |
| 03:41.10 | W8TVI | the 5500 is nice out side in the sun |
| 03:41.11 | rev|z | i was a bit wary at first |
| 03:41.14 | rev|z | but am pleased enough |
| 03:41.32 | rev|z | it is visible enough with the brightness as full, the 700 is |
| 03:41.41 | rev|z | but then again |
| 03:41.55 | VampireZIM | you have to weigh that, if you are going to use it in sunlight, then you want reflective, they dont look as good, but if you need sunlight readability, then get it |
| 03:41.57 | rev|z | the 5500 and c700 have pretty poor battery life no matter wha |
| 03:41.58 | rev|z | t |
| 03:42.01 | W8TVI | talk like yoda, you do |
| 03:42.15 | Cameron | hehe |
| 03:42.21 | rev|z | if you're going to use it mostly in bright sun, doing outdoor work the 700 wouldn't be the best |
| 03:42.26 | VampireZIM | i dont use my C700 in sunlight hardly ever |
| 03:42.30 | rev|z | but for occasional ourdoors, it is ore than fine enough |
| 03:42.36 | rev|z | i use mine outside some |
| 03:42.37 | W8TVI | confusing many people, your are. |
| 03:42.41 | rev|z | i am an ecologist |
| 03:42.44 | Cameron | rev|z: so they're relatively equivalent then w/ battery usage anyhow, eh? About how many hours do you average? |
| 03:42.46 | rev|z | and record data outside |
| 03:42.49 | rev|z | it is readable enough |
| 03:43.07 | Cameron | rev|z: Are you in the U.S>? |
| 03:43.15 | VampireZIM | cam: specs are at www.dynamism.com |
| 03:43.22 | rev|z | cameron: i have a 760 not a 700. it has a battery that is twice as large as the 700 |
| 03:43.28 | rev|z | i am in the US |
| 03:43.29 | VampireZIM | http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus7xx/index.shtml |
| 03:43.43 | rev|z | it is supposed to get battery life of eighr hours, the 760 is |
| 03:43.44 | rev|z | however |
| 03:43.47 | Cameron | rev|z: but does it use more battery because of more features or something? |
| 03:43.53 | rev|z | i get a lot less tha that it seems ;( |
| 03:44.02 | Cameron | alrighty |
| 03:44.08 | Cameron | VampireZIM: (been there for a while ) |
| 03:44.09 | Cameron | :) |
| 03:44.17 | rev|z | the C700 and 5500 are supposed to get around 4 hours |
| 03:44.22 | rev|z | with the backlight off |
| 03:44.26 | rev|z | and minimal CPU usage |
| 03:44.29 | rev|z | however |
| 03:44.32 | rev|z | with half backlight |
| 03:44.38 | rev|z | and wifi web browsing |
| 03:44.40 | VampireZIM | C7x0 is very small, smaller than 5x00 too |
| 03:45.08 | rev|z | i got like 1.5-2 hours max on the 5500 |
| 03:45.15 | rev|z | which sucked ass |
| 03:45.16 | W8TVI | I get about 2.5 hours with the backlight off and wifi |
| 03:45.21 | fliplap | the C7x0 is smaller than the 5500? |
| 03:45.29 | VampireZIM | yea |
| 03:45.58 | rev|z | esp coming from the jornada 720, where i easily got eight hours with light on full and doing wifi browsing |
| 03:46.06 | VampireZIM | i was amazed with the size when i first got it |
| 03:46.09 | VampireZIM | its tiny |
| 03:46.15 | fliplap | damn, heh, i really do want a C760 |
| 03:46.27 | rev|z | the c700 isn't smaller ... about as thick, but it is wider than the 5500 |
| 03:46.42 | VampireZIM | its smaller |
| 03:46.43 | W8TVI | I'm going to build a power pack for my z |
| 03:47.00 | rev|z | i am going to try to get a new battery for my Z from dynamism |
| 03:47.04 | rev|z | i think it is defective |
| 03:47.07 | rev|z | anywho |
| 03:47.13 | rev|z | i had two batt packs for my 5500 |
| 03:47.16 | Cameron | btw, the screen is the same for the 5600 as the 5500? |
| 03:47.21 | rev|z | yes |
| 03:47.23 | rev|z | which is sad |
| 03:47.30 | rev|z | considering that theycould've made it better |
| 03:47.38 | Cameron | sure |
| 03:47.59 | Cameron | hehe I wonder why anyone buys the 5600? |
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| 03:48.11 | rev|z | just threw in the dell axim's screen |
| 03:48.12 | rev|z | not sure |
| 03:48.16 | rev|z | the flash RAM |
| 03:48.19 | fliplap | because they don't want to get a C7x0 imported |
| 03:48.35 | rev|z | at least you don't run quite the risk of loosing data that you do with the 5599 |
| 03:48.36 | fliplap | perhaps they work for a company that wants real support, not dynamism support |
| 03:48.42 | VampireZIM | people dont want to import, it has that cool little keyboard and its the only Linux based machine in america |
| 03:48.44 | rev|z | er 5500 |
| 03:48.54 | Cameron | rev|z: losing data? |
| 03:49.00 | rev|z | i lost all my data like 5 times in one month on my 5500 |
| 03:49.08 | treke|home | hell. The axim uses a sharp screen iirc |
| 03:49.08 | rev|z | because of stupid rebooting and power loss problems |
| 03:49.14 | rev|z | yeah it does treke |
| 03:49.17 | rev|z | that's what i'm saying |
| 03:49.21 | rev|z | the horrible irony |
| 03:49.24 | treke|home | yup |
| 03:49.39 | Cameron | guess so :( |
| 03:49.47 | treke|home | they went cheap on manufacturing and priced the sucker way over what it was worth |
| 03:49.52 | rev|z | yeah |
| 03:49.53 | rev|z | big time |
| 03:49.55 | Cameron | so if for some reason my C700 failed, would Sharp support it? |
| 03:50.00 | rev|z | no |
| 03:50.02 | Cameron | no warranty if I get it through the importer? |
| 03:50.03 | rev|z | but dynaism would |
| 03:50.12 | rev|z | the importer has the warrantee IIRC |
| 03:50.19 | treke|home | Cameron: That part of what dynamisms mark up covers |
| 03:50.21 | Cameron | and are they reputable enough to charge |
| 03:50.23 | Cameron | *trust |
| 03:50.25 | Cameron | lol, I must be tired |
| 03:50.29 | rev|z | heh |
| 03:50.38 | rev|z | dynamism is a good outfit |
| 03:50.42 | rev|z | i'd say reliable |
| 03:50.48 | Cameron | ok |
| 03:51.24 | Cameron | somehow makes me a bit edgy getting something that almost seems hacked together...come to think of it, how did they convert it to English? They must have had Sharp's sourcecodE? |
| 03:51.32 | Cameron | it isn't all opensource, is it? |
| 03:51.37 | rev|z | no |
| 03:51.38 | rev|z | it isn't |
| 03:51.49 | rev|z | and it's not so much they took all the soure and modified it |
| 03:51.54 | rev|z | they patcjed it |
| 03:51.57 | treke|home | Cameron: It's easy. Qtopia was written in english |
| 03:51.59 | rev|z | write english localization files |
| 03:52.05 | rev|z | they didn't have to rewrite anything |
| 03:52.05 | rev|z | hell |
| 03:52.10 | treke|home | Cameron: The end result is that most of it is already translated |
| 03:52.11 | Cameron | ahh, gotcha hehe makes sense :) |
| 03:52.12 | rev|z | the stuff they would |
| 03:52.14 | rev|z | the stuff hardcoded |
| 03:52.17 | rev|z | it stil in japanese |
| 03:52.18 | rev|z | that is |
| 03:52.20 | treke|home | they just have to translate the stuff sharp wrote in japanese |
| 03:52.20 | rev|z | in the contacts apps |
| 03:52.37 | Cameron | cool |
| 03:52.41 | Cameron | makes good sense |
| 03:52.47 | rev|z | most addressbook apps in english have the letters of the AbC alphabet on the top of the window |
| 03:52.48 | Cameron | What's with openzaurus, btw? |
| 03:52.57 | rev|z | to skip to a certain letter |
| 03:52.57 | rev|z | ut |
| 03:52.58 | rev|z | er |
| 03:52.59 | rev|z | but |
| 03:53.08 | rev|z | on my 760, it is japanese letters |
| 03:53.10 | rev|z | ai kai, etc |
| 03:53.11 | rev|z | heh |
| 03:53.19 | rev|z | and other goofy things |
| 03:53.33 | rev|z | like how it summarizes an addressbook entry |
| 03:53.38 | Cameron | hehe |
| 03:53.40 | rev|z | instead of the US format |
| 03:53.41 | rev|z | Name |
| 03:53.52 | rev|z | house no. street name. |
| 03:53.53 | Cameron | Karma |
| 03:53.57 | rev|z | city, state ZIP |
| 03:54.00 | rev|z | it is like |
| 03:54.02 | rev|z | Name |
| 03:54.04 | Cameron | interesting |
| 03:54.13 | rev|z | StateCityZIP |
| 03:54.14 | Cameron | that's got to be funny @ first |
| 03:54.16 | rev|z | with no spaces |
| 03:54.23 | Cameron | but a bit annoying later once the novelty wears off! |
| 03:54.28 | rev|z | well |
| 03:54.30 | rev|z | sure |
| 03:54.41 | rev|z | i wish i could change it |
| 03:54.56 | rev|z | i could run theKompany addressbook app i guess |
| 03:55.01 | Cameron | open up that hex editor, rev|z :) |
| 03:56.00 | Cameron | and of course, $100 which I could otherwise spend on a compact flash card or something |
| 03:56.15 | rev|z | see |
| 03:56.17 | Cameron | ljp: this is a standard upgrade? |
| 03:56.21 | Cameron | hmm |
| 03:56.23 | rev|z | hexeditors.... for chumps |
| 03:56.30 | ljp | nope. custom buildroot thing |
| 03:56.31 | rev|z | i'm writing a new PDA platform |
| 03:56.38 | rev|z | a new PDA operating environment |
| 03:56.40 | rev|z | and with it |
| 03:56.42 | Cameron | rev|z: reaaallly |
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| 03:56.45 | rev|z | one could easily modify that sort of thing |
| 03:56.54 | rev|z | it's truly open |
| 03:56.54 | Cameron | good luck to you :) |
| 03:57.00 | Cameron | what's it called? |
| 03:57.02 | rev|z | open in culture as well as source |
| 03:57.05 | ljp | I put the initrd and kernel on my ftp site if you want to flash that |
| 03:57.16 | rev|z | and not just a big heap of C++ code |
| 03:57.21 | rev|z | it is called dynapad |
| 03:57.33 | rev|z | the website is http://spe.sf.net |
| 03:57.35 | rev|z | although |
| 03:57.43 | rev|z | the last release is quite old |
| 03:57.51 | rev|z | and the website is in need of update |
| 03:57.52 | rev|z | however |
| 03:57.55 | Cameron | ljp: who comes out with software upates for the Japanese models? And is there a delay to when you can actually use the update because of translation issues? |
| 03:57.59 | rev|z | a new release is coming before september |
| 03:58.07 | rev|z | runs binary compatible on Linux and WinCE PDAs |
| 03:58.16 | Cameron | ah, smalltalk :) |
| 03:58.20 | rev|z | not PalmOS yet... perhaps by POS6 |
| 03:58.26 | Cameron | cool |
| 03:58.35 | imk | W8TVI: im getting somehwere |
| 03:58.41 | W8TVI | cool |
| 03:58.58 | rev|z | cameron: you can run the same software as you would on 5500s on the c7x0 models for the most part |
| 03:59.00 | rev|z | some apps don't work |
| 03:59.01 | rev|z | but most do |
| 03:59.26 | Cameron | rev|z: but what about say firmware updates I'm saying |
| 03:59.38 | Cameron | or upgrades to core apps, if that's any different that firmware for the Zaurus |
| 04:00.02 | treke|home | forget about open culture |
| 04:00.11 | treke|home | the real questions is, does it have free beer? |
| 04:00.47 | ljp | Cameron: I dunno. I use qtopia |
| 04:00.53 | ljp | from trolltech |
| 04:01.00 | ljp | no need to tr from ja |
| 04:01.07 | Cameron | ahah, rev|z: CNET review: The bad: Big and heavy; dull screen; limited third-party software; lacks jog dial. |
| 04:01.31 | Cameron | ljp: ok, cool -- so once you've got the PDA w/ from the importer, you're good to go, basically? |
| 04:01.45 | Cameron | (except for some PIM functionality that's messed up compared to U.S. standards?) |
| 04:02.00 | ljp | well, _I_ am, ya. but the dynamism is who tr that rom |
| 04:02.21 | ljp | I am not using the sharp rom apps or anything |
| 04:02.49 | Cameron | you're using sharp's japanese rom apps patched by dynamism, no? |
| 04:03.48 | ljp | no. like I said, I amusing qtopia 1.6.2 |
| 04:03.58 | ljp | am using, even. |
| 04:04.14 | ljp | somewhere there is an opie rom for c700 |
| 04:04.32 | Cameron | is qtopia something you hae to buy separately then? |
| 04:04.51 | treke|home | qtopia is free |
| 04:04.53 | ljp | qtopia is free, from trolltech. I am using openzaurus buildroot to make a rom |
| 04:04.54 | Cameron | what's qtopia vs. opie then? and what is it compared to what comes standard on the U.S. 5500, etc. models |
| 04:05.07 | treke|home | Cameron: The sharp roms have a version of qtopia |
| 04:05.08 | ljp | sharp has their own version of qtopia 1.5 |
| 04:05.10 | Cameron | ljp: ok. Openzaurus is a rom? |
| 04:05.15 | Cameron | or just a prog |
| 04:05.22 | treke|home | Cameron: opie is is a fork for qtopia started a year ago |
| 04:05.23 | ljp | distribution, sort of |
| 04:05.29 | Cameron | ahh, alright |
| 04:05.30 | treke|home | openzaurus is a rom/distribution |
| 04:05.37 | Cameron | alrighty |
| 04:06.09 | Cameron | now compared to the standard zaurus distrib in the U.S. on the 5500, what's openzaurus + qtopia or + opie like? |
| 04:06.15 | Cameron | (so many choices it seems confusing @ first) |
| 04:06.59 | ljp | well, opie is like.. well.. opie. and qtopia is, well.. like qtopia |
| 04:07.20 | Cameron | lol |
| 04:08.20 | Cameron | What if I just want a reliable PDA and am not willing to constantly test new core software on it? What would I want to do/use? |
| 04:08.29 | Cameron | and what would I be sacrificing? |
| 04:09.05 | treke|home | qtopia is much more similar to what comes on the sharp rom than opie |
| 04:09.25 | Cameron | and I would want to use opie because it gives me...? |
| 04:09.31 | treke|home | Cameron: Use either the stable opie or the stable qtopia |
| 04:09.46 | treke|home | try them both. Decide which one you prefer |
| 04:10.05 | Cameron | treke|home: and I could use either of these on both the 5500 and the C700? |
| 04:10.14 | treke|home | Maybe' |
| 04:10.18 | Cameron | hehe |
| 04:10.22 | rev|z | you would use opie because you were an advocate of totally free software |
| 04:10.25 | rev|z | generally |
| 04:10.32 | treke|home | I dont know if qtopia 1.6 will work on the c700 |
| 04:10.33 | W8TVI | imk: hows it going? slow? |
| 04:10.46 | imk | im scping it over now |
| 04:10.47 | imk | gonna try it |
| 04:10.50 | ljp | treke: qtopia 1.6.2 does in deed work on c700 |
| 04:10.54 | W8TVI | cool |
| 04:10.57 | treke|home | ok. So they both work |
| 04:11.12 | ljp | I put up a rom if someone wants to try it |
| 04:11.24 | imk | W8TVI: do you have the kismet.conf from 2.8.1 handy (the one int he feed) ? |
| 04:11.44 | W8TVI | I think so... |
| 04:11.45 | W8TVI | hold on |
| 04:13.44 | imk | W8TVI: well it definately output a lot more stuff |
| 04:14.08 | rev|z | if you could get a deal |
| 04:14.09 | rev|z | and |
| 04:14.13 | rev|z | if you were set on getting a Zaurus |
| 04:14.16 | W8TVI | want me to send the file? |
| 04:14.20 | imk | yeah |
| 04:14.21 | rev|z | i'd get to get a C700 |
| 04:14.23 | rev|z | without a doubt |
| 04:14.29 | imk | pastebin.com isnt replying, hehe |
| 04:14.32 | W8TVI | I have the iu conf too |
| 04:14.53 | rev|z | the c7x0 series is quite nice hardware wise... tons better than the 5500 |
| 04:14.58 | imk | http://www.sourcecode.no/pastebin/en/index.php?page=show&id=1547&key=fmjrhrxrqd |
| 04:15.06 | imk | thats the output of kismet |
| 04:16.08 | imk | thanks |
| 04:16.22 | W8TVI | no prob |
| 04:16.30 | imk | im gonna set my config up the same and see if i get further |
| 04:16.36 | W8TVI | k |
| 04:16.43 | Cameron | rev|z: I agree, so it seems. But if the software support is non-standard and somewhat shotty... |
| 04:16.49 | rev|z | well |
| 04:16.51 | rev|z | i wouldn't say that |
| 04:16.55 | Cameron | rev|z: what I have to decide now is what is "too shotty" |
| 04:17.06 | Cameron | there are some minor probs with the Japanese format, etc. |
| 04:17.11 | rev|z | if the 700 is too shoddy for you |
| 04:17.14 | Cameron | rev|z: will these ever be fixed likely? |
| 04:17.19 | rev|z | the it is likely the 5500 in general is |
| 04:17.27 | rev|z | there really aren't problems to be fixed |
| 04:17.31 | Cameron | hehe shotty I typed, man, I must be tired :) |
| 04:17.46 | rev|z | i've not encountered any probles with my 760 and software |
| 04:17.52 | rev|z | ecept for running one game that didn't work |
| 04:17.59 | rev|z | but that has to do with the screen size |
| 04:18.05 | rev|z | i've not had any japanese problems |
| 04:18.06 | Cameron | rev|z: I thought you said that there were japanese characters in a PIM? |
| 04:18.12 | rev|z | there was that goofyness i entioned |
| 04:18.18 | rev|z | not characters per se |
| 04:18.18 | treke|home | ljp: you talk to tim wentford recently? |
| 04:18.22 | Cameron | hmm |
| 04:18.27 | Cameron | rev|z: goofiness based on what then? |
| 04:18.35 | rev|z | ok |
| 04:18.37 | rev|z | just a inute |
| 04:18.37 | Cameron | if it's not the japanese problem, what caused it? |
| 04:18.40 | rev|z | let me take a screenshot |
| 04:18.42 | Cameron | k :) |
| 04:18.43 | rev|z | it is a japanese problem |
| 04:18.45 | Cameron | perfect, thank you!!! |
| 04:19.00 | rev|z | in the sense that it is n't totally converted |
| 04:19.13 | rev|z | but it's not a big dfeal unless you have hundreds of contacts |
| 04:19.20 | W8TVI | hey imk |
| 04:19.21 | Cameron | you going to dcc it? |
| 04:19.26 | W8TVI | join #kismet |
| 04:19.28 | ljp | treke: nope. why? does reader need updating? |
| 04:19.45 | W8TVI | imk: you using hostap? |
| 04:19.55 | treke|home | ljp: Not really. It works fine, I just always like new stuff :p |
| 04:20.08 | imk | hostap? |
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| 04:20.36 | W8TVI | drivers for your wireless card |
| 04:20.45 | W8TVI | imk: join #kismet |
| 04:20.56 | rev|z | ok |
| 04:21.01 | rev|z | no |
| 04:21.05 | rev|z | on my website |
| 04:21.11 | Cameron | rev|z: k, URL plz :) |
| 04:23.56 | rev|z | chill out |
| 04:23.59 | rev|z | here |
| 04:24.22 | Cameron | :) I'm chilling |
| 04:24.37 | rev|z | http://www.d.umn.edu/~reic0024/addr.bmp |
| 04:24.40 | rev|z | :) |
| 04:25.30 | Cameron | odd, Chanserv quit -- :: wonders if lilo's messing with servies again :: |
| 04:25.42 | rev|z | so there is it |
| 04:25.45 | rev|z | aside from that |
| 04:25.53 | rev|z | i've not noticed anything shoddy at all |
| 04:26.08 | rev|z | well |
| 04:26.14 | rev|z | something foreign to me but not a problem |
| 04:26.17 | rev|z | in the addressbook app |
| 04:26.27 | rev|z | there is a field for pronounciation for a name |
| 04:26.29 | rev|z | but eh |
| 04:26.32 | rev|z | doesn't cause any problems |
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| 04:27.21 | Cameron | rev|z: I see then |
| 04:27.31 | Cameron | rev|z: Now here's a whole other factor I have neglected to mention |
| 04:27.39 | Cameron | may seem strange to you, but here it is: |
| 04:28.58 | Cameron | I'm a high school student, and a friend has just given me the choice of an PDA <= $500 that I want. However, if this thing is to be really useful to me, I'd like to be able to take it to school regularly without it looking TOO flashy -- some kids have Palms, but not so many...the C700 almost looks TOO nice LOL! |
| 04:29.06 | Cameron | see what I'm saying? |
| 04:29.14 | Cameron | What's your take on it? |
| 04:29.25 | fusion94 | i think you shouldn't take gifts from strangers.... |
| 04:29.26 | Cameron | that screenshot sure does look PURRTTTY though :-) |
| 04:29.28 | rev|z | what kind of friend has that kind of money for you? wowza |
| 04:29.30 | rev|z | well |
| 04:29.37 | fusion94 | next thing they'll be pulling you into cars... :P |
| 04:29.42 | rev|z | i'd say get the c700 |
| 04:29.43 | W8TVI | Cameron, just get a sl5500 |
| 04:29.50 | Cameron | res, rev|z, I just got lucky |
| 04:29.50 | rev|z | i can't say i follow you about too flashy |
| 04:29.52 | rev|z | i mean |
| 04:29.55 | rev|z | it isn't foo flashy |
| 04:29.59 | rev|z | yeah right you got lucky |
| 04:30.00 | Cameron | no? |
| 04:30.00 | rev|z | tell us the story |
| 04:30.09 | rev|z | it's not like it has all sorts of goofy things |
| 04:30.13 | W8TVI | whne you want to impress some one, just slid down the keyboard cover :) |
| 04:30.16 | rev|z | it doesn't have a caera |
| 04:30.19 | rev|z | i mean |
| 04:30.27 | Cameron | rev|z: it has a very bright screen + a different design that most PDA's |
| 04:30.29 | rev|z | for 500 i would so get a c700 |
| 04:30.38 | rev|z | and? |
| 04:30.42 | rev|z | why are you afraid? |
| 04:30.42 | W8TVI | yeah.. get the c700 |
| 04:30.47 | rev|z | of it getting stolen? |
| 04:30.50 | Cameron | yes |
| 04:30.52 | rev|z | then get an ipaq or a palm |
| 04:30.54 | rev|z | i mean |
| 04:30.56 | Cameron | precisely |
| 04:30.56 | Cameron | lol |
| 04:31.00 | rev|z | the 5500 will look different too |
| 04:31.01 | rev|z | or |
| 04:31.08 | Cameron | guess so |
| 04:31.10 | rev|z | just get a c700 and don't be an idiot |
| 04:31.19 | Cameron | ok |
| 04:31.21 | rev|z | don't lose track of it |
| 04:31.22 | Cameron | I probably will |
| 04:31.24 | rev|z | don't hand it out to everyone |
| 04:31.25 | Cameron | lol |
| 04:31.26 | rev|z | but cmon |
| 04:31.27 | Cameron | not that |
| 04:31.31 | Cameron | I won't lose track of it lol |
| 04:31.33 | W8TVI | Cameron, get a sl5500 and a sony sj-20 |
| 04:31.34 | rev|z | why is osmeone buying you a pda of that cost |
| 04:31.35 | W8TVI | :) |
| 04:31.35 | Cameron | I'll probably get the c700 |
| 04:31.38 | rev|z | it's funny |
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| 04:32.21 | rev|z | ack |
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| 04:32.33 | ljp | weeeeee |
| 04:32.39 | fusion94 | fear |
| 04:33.00 | Cameron | rev|z: because the person for whom I did a summer internship is grateful for my help, generous, and has the money |
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| 04:33.11 | Cameron | I agree -- it's pretty weird |
| 04:33.18 | rev|z | ok |
| 04:33.22 | Cameron | I certainly wouldn't give my summer kid $500!!! |
| 04:33.24 | W8TVI | this is cool |
| 04:33.28 | W8TVI | I have 40mb free of ram |
| 04:33.34 | rev|z | because i got a $800 c760 for free too |
| 04:33.42 | rev|z | although it was donated for y dynapad research |
| 04:33.49 | rev|z | not by jus a sugar data |
| 04:33.50 | Cameron | rev|z: cool |
| 04:33.55 | rev|z | but seriously cameron |
| 04:33.59 | rev|z | what is the deal |
| 04:34.01 | W8TVI | rev|z, do you get to keep it? |
| 04:34.09 | Cameron | lol, W8TVI |
| 04:34.15 | rev|z | is it a he or a she? a rich family? what the hell? |
| 04:34.26 | rev|z | w8: yup!! |
| 04:34.29 | W8TVI | cool |
| 04:34.31 | W8TVI | :) |
| 04:34.37 | rev|z | i know |
| 04:34.39 | rev|z | it rules |
| 04:34.40 | Cameron | rev|z: sorry, rev|z, but none of your business |
| 04:34.43 | rev|z | i sold my other pdas |
| 04:34.46 | rev|z | pfffft |
| 04:34.50 | rev|z | sugar daddy it is |
| 04:35.02 | Cameron | rev|z: anyhow, thank you for your advice, explanations, help, and beautiful screenshot |
| 04:35.07 | rev|z | yeah no prob |
| 04:35.14 | Cameron | rev|z: btw, how do you use your PDA as an ecoligist? |
| 04:35.17 | rev|z | everything on a c700 looks tat nice |
| 04:35.27 | Cameron | :-D I'm sure it does :) |
| 04:35.29 | rev|z | i use it for data entry and analysis |
| 04:35.34 | rev|z | part of dynapad |
| 04:35.34 | W8TVI | cool.. I think its installing to the sd card ok... |
| 04:35.35 | rev|z | rather |
| 04:35.41 | Cameron | rev|z: sounds like a great tool |
| 04:35.46 | rev|z | an app i'm building ontop of dynapad is a framework for data entry and analysis |
| 04:35.48 | Cameron | beats your iPaq peers? ;) |
| 04:36.00 | rev|z | the screen resolution is worth it alone |
| 04:36.02 | rev|z | for me and my work |
| 04:36.05 | Cameron | I'm sure |
| 04:36.08 | Cameron | 'night |
| 04:36.41 | rev|z | so kids |
| 04:36.48 | rev|z | what do you think the deal is with that? |
| 04:50.29 | VampireZIM | fun |
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| 04:55.10 | imk | W8TVI: hows it going? |
| 04:55.25 | rev|z | heh |
| 04:55.43 | W8TVI | still trying to get stuff to work... |
| 04:55.53 | W8TVI | haven't even tryed to mess with kismet |
| 04:56.24 | rev|z | i need to try out kismet |
| 04:56.30 | rev|z | map some APs in my area |
| 04:56.35 | rev|z | so i know where i can work outside on a beautiful day |
| 04:56.36 | rev|z | heh |
| 04:56.44 | rev|z | can you get a qtopia GUI for kismet? |
| 04:57.06 | imk | hehe |
| 04:58.23 | rev|z | ? |
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| 05:01.23 | Jumpkick_ | yes |
| 05:01.38 | Cameron | wait a second -- the C700 costs $600, no? |
| 05:02.12 | oGMo | that means you save 100 C's! |
| 05:02.16 | Jumpkick_ | Kismet gui http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=226 |
| 05:02.16 | Cameron | lol |
| 05:02.33 | Cameron | unless it costs $500, I can't get one anyhow hehe |
| 05:02.46 | Cameron | althgouh, VampireZIM, you offered to sell one, right? |
| 05:03.19 | Cameron | because it's not listed anywhere on eBay or any auction site I saw |
| 05:04.18 | VampireZIM | $400 |
| 05:04.26 | VampireZIM | and i will even throw in a 128MB SD card |
| 05:04.35 | Cameron | nice |
| 05:05.19 | VampireZIM | of course, its a great deal |
| 05:05.22 | Cameron | VampireZIM: However, doing business directly online w/ a stranger is not a prudent thing to do |
| 05:05.34 | Cameron | so if I were to take you up on your offer |
| 05:05.44 | VampireZIM | i have sold stuff to 2 people in here, they can vouch for me |
| 05:05.45 | Cameron | what would you suggest we do about that? |
| 05:05.48 | Cameron | ahh |
| 05:05.52 | VampireZIM | you have PayPal? |
| 05:05.55 | Cameron | yes |
| 05:05.56 | VampireZIM | go private |
| 05:12.33 | imk | W8TVI: i got a version compiled that youll want instead, ill dcc it after i gzip it with the Z (since it doesnt seem to like my gzip on my other comp) |
| 05:12.45 | W8TVI | k |
| 05:21.10 | imk | http://inexistent.ath.cx:8182/zaurus/Kismet-3.0.1-with-pcap.tar.gz |
| 05:21.13 | imk | i also tossed a copy there |
| 05:21.17 | imk | for anyone else to try |
| 05:21.24 | imk | goodluck ;p |
| 05:21.33 | W8TVI | tell them in #kismet |
| 05:27.45 | imk | just for the hell of it i threw wget 1.8.2 and tcsh 6.12.00 up there too for the Z |
| 05:27.48 | imk | http://inexistent.ath.cx:8182/zaurus/ |
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| 07:07.00 | VampireZIM | i need to make a shirt that says, I HATE COMCAST |
| 07:13.00 | W8TVI | hmmm |
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| 07:50.33 | linear_shift | um, this may kinda sound like a stupid question but are there any fold out keyboards for the zaurus? the thumb keyboard is only sutable for short periods of typing |
| 08:00.26 | linear_shift | ah fuck it, see 'ya tomorrow |
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| 10:35.05 | George`ZZZzzz | did someone call? |
| 10:36.23 | George`ZZZzzz | argh, which fool told Cameron to get the C700? It's a PXA250 based machine! |
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| 13:08.04 | z | is anyone able to tell me which is better zynergy or tckrom |
| 13:10.15 | _OnDev | ?? [|-)_..... |
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| 13:25.08 | z | i want to update my rom to the new zynergy one but there is no updater.sh can i use the one for the sharp rom instead |
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| 14:41.18 | liyang | goode afternoon good sirs. :) |
| 14:41.44 | W8TVI | cool |
| 14:43.08 | liyang | I note that the root fs may be remounted rewritable... I take it I shouldn't do that? (i.e. if I bugger it up completely, is there any way to recover?) |
| 14:46.43 | liyang | and could someone point me towards a fresh copy of vim? Texteditor refusing to edit anything outside of ~ and appending .txt to everything is beginning to annoy me. :) (I can only see 6.1 out there... 6.2's been out for a good while now hasn't it?) |
| 14:50.57 | W8TVI | the cramfs is RO |
| 14:54.25 | liyang | oh, no this is the original Sharp ROM. (jffs, or so mount claims.) |
| 14:55.24 | W8TVI | well on the 5500 the root fs is cramfs |
| 14:57.09 | liyang | I was thinking of freeing up some space by getting rid of all the Hancom office stuff; I'm stuck away from home (summer job) and I can't be arsed to order myself a SD card. =] |
| 14:59.43 | George- | liyang: in the UK? |
| 15:00.06 | liyang | Yup. Got the 5600 via eBay... =] |
| 15:00.26 | George- | eww |
| 15:00.29 | George- | evil machine :) |
| 15:00.33 | George- | at cambridge? |
| 15:01.29 | liyang | I'm intending to use it as a MP3/OGG player until I can get my hands on an OZ image or two, but that can wait until I get back to uni come October. |
| 15:01.45 | liyang | George-: how did you guess? ;-) |
| 15:02.27 | George- | liyang: haha |
| 15:02.49 | George- | liyang: do you attend cambridge, or are you just stealing their internet connection? :P |
| 15:03.57 | liyang | George-: Just done three years of maths, now defecting to CompSci. (Yes, in other words.) |
| 15:04.12 | George- | heh, I'm still stuck at Harrow |
| 15:04.16 | George- | (secondary school) |
| 15:04.33 | liyang | ah hah :) |
| 15:04.39 | liyang | What year? |
| 15:04.45 | George- | uh, removes |
| 15:04.50 | George- | wait |
| 15:04.53 | George- | I've just left the removes |
| 15:05.02 | George- | so I'm entering my second year of GCSE |
| 15:05.54 | liyang | (`removes'? That's unfamiliar terminology to me...) |
| 15:06.07 | George- | yeh, it's specific to my school I think |
| 15:07.43 | George- | liyang: the years in my school go "Shell", "Remove", "V^2", "VI^3", "VI^2" |
| 15:09.11 | liyang | :) |
| 15:09.32 | liyang | we didn't have anything quite so eccentric :) |
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| 15:12.03 | _OnDev | byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! |
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| 15:13.03 | George- | liyang: haha |
| 15:13.28 | George- | I'm so happy my replacement foot for my tibook has arrived now... it doesn't bend on the desk due to a missing foot :) |
| 15:14.51 | George- | liyang: trust me, they suck |
| 15:14.52 | liyang | though I'm lacking justification for one. ;_; |
| 15:14.57 | George- | liyang: http://zorian.ath.cx/defective.html |
| 15:15.07 | yeiazel | George-: isn't your tibook dead once more ? |
| 15:15.11 | yeiazel | if not, it will, soon :) |
| 15:15.22 | George- | yeiazel: I managed to fix it :) |
| 15:16.10 | George- | brb - loading newer xchat |
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| 15:17.04 | George- | ahh much better |
| 15:17.08 | George- | they fixed an annoying bug in 2.0.1 |
| 15:18.18 | liyang | George-: oh dear... that's one pretty horrific experience. |
| 15:18.31 | George- | liyang: yup |
| 15:18.53 | yeiazel | this tibook is really really beautiful |
| 15:19.11 | yeiazel | did you manage to play rugby with it, or something ? |
| 15:19.13 | yeiazel | :)) |
| 15:20.19 | fliplap | hrm, the xchat guy isn't doing debian packages anymore? |
| 15:20.53 | yeiazel | xchat sucks |
| 15:21.02 | liyang | Well, I guess I've been suitably influenced by 1) one of my friends who works for Apple (CA) and 2) the Norn' Eire MUG `leader' (who's also in Belfast LUG, funnily enough.) |
| 15:21.09 | fliplap | you suck |
| 15:21.14 | liyang | I still want one though. |
| 15:22.05 | yeiazel | fliplap: yeah, but only cute girls. and I don't think you are cute; not even a girl... |
| 15:22.16 | fliplap | you haven't even seen me |
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| 15:22.20 | fliplap | maybe i got chopped |
| 15:22.32 | fliplap | i might be a very attractive tranny |
| 15:23.20 | fliplap | and on that note, I'm going to have myself a fish sandwich and watch the last episode of futurama |
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| 15:25.01 | liyang | *ahem* aneeway *ahem* |
| 15:26.21 | liyang | Could someone recommend me an OGG/Vorbis player? (xmms seems to be trying to allocate 500MB of memory on startup for some reason.) |
| 15:27.40 | W8TVI | opie-mediaplayer2 |
| 15:27.42 | kyngel | I just always used ogg123 myself. But I assume you're looking for something with a GUI. |
| 15:28.15 | liyang | and some sort of simplistic playlist thing. |
| 15:28.30 | George- | back |
| 15:28.31 | liyang | I always used xmms on my desktop though... |
| 15:28.35 | kyngel | Yeah... I quit using the Z as my mediaplayer when I got a Neuros. |
| 15:29.00 | George- | liyang: xmms is a nice system, works over here |
| 15:29.05 | George- | liyang: then again, I have a 5000D |
| 15:29.22 | George- | liyang: OZ *should* work... you just need to compile a kernel for it |
| 15:29.45 | George- | W8TVI: op2 is a bit heavyweight at the moment.. too slow :) |
| 15:29.54 | liyang | I think I've the xmms issue figured out... (it doesn't like symlinks in ~/.xmms, apparently) but haven't tested it yet. |
| 15:30.16 | liyang | (I'm supposed to be working, heh... ^_^;) |
| 15:30.39 | kyngel | Ahh... FINALLY got the Zaurus taking serial data to my and my boss' satisfaction. |
| 15:31.05 | kyngel | 5 errors in 19 hours, as opposed to at least 5/10 an hour before. |
| 15:31.07 | George- | hrmm, xchat 2.0.4 is really really nice |
| 15:31.17 | George- | it greys out people in the userlist that have /away set :) |
| 15:31.52 | liyang | kyngel: ha, nice, but I can't afford/justify another yet another gadget... |
| 15:32.15 | George- | liyang: and I'm serious, the tibook sucks |
| 15:32.29 | kyngel | liyang: I dunno, the Neuros is now a cherished family member. Think of it as an adoption. :) |
| 15:33.20 | liyang | George-: not to worry, I won't be buying one in the next few years yet... |
| 15:33.35 | George- | liyang: good for you :) |
| 15:37.56 | liyang | (Hm. Vim 6.1 it is then.) |
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| 15:58.47 | djk | any anybody using wifi with the Sharp 3.10 ROM? I have an Ambicom that worked great on the old ROM but not anymore |
| 15:59.59 | djk | Any recommendations on a good card for low power, will connect with 128 WAP and get a DHCP address, and work with Kismet? |
| 16:00.23 | W8TVI | has anyone heard about any problems installing opie-mediaplayer2 on opie 1.0.0 be couse of not being able to find libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2? |
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| 16:12.54 | djk | what a quiet channel |
| 16:13.01 | liyang | djk: no idea (only got my Z yesterday), but you might want to try the mailing lists for that sort of question... people tend to come and go a bit here. |
| 16:13.04 | fliplap | WOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 16:13.08 | fliplap | that better? |
| 16:13.52 | redtoade | ok, oz is really nice |
| 16:14.05 | redtoade | any other image to try? |
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| 16:14.54 | djk | redtoade: several depends what you are looking for |
| 16:15.11 | djk | that is better life in the channel |
| 16:15.15 | djk | :-) |
| 16:15.59 | redtoade | djk: I haven't bothered with the Opie 1.0 yet... not until it's stable for oz. |
| 16:16.06 | redtoade | djk: but what else is there? |
| 16:17.09 | redtoade | (first off it has to have something cooler than a troll/penguin mutant spouting fire for a splash screen... which is going to be pretty hard to beat) |
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| 16:22.19 | djk | There is a TKCROM. I am not a big gui person and really see the splash so I can't comment on that. Check the forums for others http://www.zaurus.com/dev/ |
| 16:22.46 | djk | WOW Gaim on Zaurus now I really need a good wireless |
| 16:29.26 | George- | hahaha |
| 16:29.34 | George- | Neo|Work: heya |
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| 16:30.02 | rev|lib | er |
| 16:30.04 | rev|lib | ack |
| 16:30.06 | rev|lib | yooo |
| 16:30.51 | Neo|Work | hey |
| 16:31.41 | Neo|Work | Dragon Bane 2 is now out for the zaurus. |
| 16:31.54 | George- | how's Snails? |
| 16:33.18 | rev|lib | ah |
| 16:33.22 | rev|lib | this is the neo? |
| 16:33.28 | djk | Anybody know if the Qtopia desktop 1.7 support the new db format use by the 3.10 rom? |
| 16:33.29 | George- | uh, probably :P |
| 16:33.38 | rev|lib | i think i emailed mr neo about snails not working on the c760 |
| 16:33.41 | Neo|Work | George-: I keep telling you that I'm waiting for an update for PocketPC, do I not? |
| 16:34.04 | George- | Neo|Work: uh, you haven't told me |
| 16:34.18 | George- | Neo|Work: either that, or I went to idle when you said it :) |
| 16:34.34 | rev|lib | the other games i've tried do- including bust'em and IF (asteroids? is that yours?) |
| 16:35.15 | Neo|Work | George-: I have.. |
| 16:35.32 | Neo|Work | rev|lib: Others have been able to install it on the 760 I _think_. |
| 16:35.46 | Neo|Work | but I know that install to CF currently doesn't work |
| 16:35.47 | Neo|Work | or SD |
| 16:37.06 | George- | Neo|Work: btw - you know of the issue where sometimes the computer is thinking and the machine stalls for like, a second before the computer snail takes aim |
| 16:38.00 | Neo|Work | I know it kind of halts when thinking.. |
| 16:43.50 | rev|lib | i installed to internal flash |
| 16:43.52 | rev|lib | the install was fine |
| 16:43.55 | rev|lib | it just isn't playable |
| 16:44.01 | Neo|Work | ok, different issue when |
| 16:44.06 | rev|lib | in "view magnafied" mode, it sits and hangs at a white screen |
| 16:44.07 | Neo|Work | I can't fix the problem however |
| 16:44.37 | rev|lib | if you uncheck the magnified screen box, it displays it in a 240x320 corner of the screen, but screentaps are incorrectly mapped to pplaces in this box |
| 16:44.39 | rev|lib | why not? |
| 16:44.57 | rev|lib | something like fixing the tap even mapping might not be that bad |
| 16:45.15 | George- | rev|lib: give me the C760 and I'll give you my 5000D. Problem solved. |
| 16:45.19 | rev|lib | hah |
| 16:45.37 | rev|lib | i'd just buy a cheap WinCE PDA if i wanted to play snails that bad |
| 16:45.38 | rev|lib | or |
| 16:45.39 | rev|lib | one day |
| 16:45.45 | rev|lib | i'll be able to play Worms on a GBA emulator |
| 16:46.00 | rev|lib | that's be good too, although the art in snails look 10x better than worms for the gba |
| 16:46.03 | Neo|Work | rev|lib: because I have no 760 |
| 16:46.08 | Neo|Work | I can't reproduce and fix what I can't reproduce |
| 16:46.44 | George- | rev|lib: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 16:46.48 | rev|lib | ah |
| 16:46.56 | George- | rev|lib: you're never gonna get Snails! You're never gonna get Snails! |
| 16:47.01 | rev|lib | meh |
| 16:47.04 | rev|lib | i've already played it |
| 16:47.06 | rev|lib | and |
| 16:47.09 | rev|lib | i got to play it on a Jornada 720 |
| 16:47.13 | rev|lib | with a 640x240 screen |
| 16:47.16 | George- | weirdo. |
| 16:47.23 | rev|lib | helluva lot better than the 5000D snails "Experience" |
| 16:47.25 | rev|lib | ;) |
| 16:47.45 | George- | I have a Psion 5mx with a 640x240 B&W screen :P |
| 16:47.56 | rev|lib | ...but no snails, dummy :P |
| 16:48.11 | rev|lib | on the psion at least |
| 16:48.13 | rev|lib | and it's b&w |
| 16:48.14 | rev|lib | anywho |
| 16:48.19 | rev|lib | gotta go afk for af ew |
| 16:48.20 | rev|lib | work calls |
| 16:53.02 | Neo|Work | again, I don't understand how you expect me to fix a problem which I can't see or check out myself |
| 17:09.17 | imk | ooh, i like that new qtopia desktop... lets you sync over wireless, hehe |
| 17:09.19 | George- | ok, I've just completed land 6 of 8 in super mario |
| 17:09.20 | George- | wahoo |
| 17:23.37 | imk | i wanna write a working imap client for the Z, since there are none |
| 17:24.54 | George- | tkcMail |
| 17:24.54 | George- | :P |
| 17:25.12 | imk | that wont work with OZ, would it? |
| 17:26.17 | imk | tkcMail has the following features: |
| 17:26.17 | imk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.20 | imk | also says it doesnt |
| 17:26.23 | imk | hehe |
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| 17:30.27 | imk | i guess ill try and use cclient lib... then just write some frontend in opie |
| 17:33.30 | George- | hrmm |
| 17:33.40 | George- | rikkus is the guy that was hired by bb to write tkcMail |
| 17:33.49 | George- | try asking him when IMAP will be ready :) |
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| 18:06.26 | liyang | Hm. |
| 18:07.03 | liyang | GLib-ERROR **: could not allocate 529335168 bytes\naborting... |
| 18:07.06 | liyang | says XMMS. |
| 18:07.42 | liyang | (v0.00005, the last version that worked with the Sharp ROM, so some page claimed.) |
| 18:08.00 | liyang | Any pointers anyone? |
| 18:08.50 | rev|lib | haha what a version no |
| 18:11.24 | liyang | So that's a `no' then? I can't be the only person stuck on a 5600 can I? |
| 18:11.32 | rev|lib | i have no clue |
| 18:11.36 | rev|lib | not many folks have 5600s |
| 18:11.39 | rev|lib | but |
| 18:12.05 | Cameron-Gawn | btw, rev|lib, buying VampireZIM's C700 |
| 18:12.16 | Cameron-Gawn | :) You were totally right |
| 18:12.22 | kyngel | Hmm... what is the port on the bottom of the Z capable of, anyway? Does anyone have bandwidth measurements? |
| 18:12.25 | rev|lib | right about what? |
| 18:12.26 | Cameron-Gawn | and I was totally tired and therefore thick :) |
| 18:12.27 | rev|lib | but good to hear |
| 18:12.31 | rev|lib | that's pretty sweet |
| 18:12.36 | Cameron-Gawn | rev|lib: that it's a far superior machine |
| 18:12.46 | rev|lib | kyngel: it's the Sharp IO port- for serial or USB cable |
| 18:12.53 | rev|lib | Cameron-Gawn: of course it is :) |
| 18:12.59 | kyngel | Well, I know that... but it's not really as capable as a serial port. |
| 18:13.09 | kyngel | It won't move the same bandwidth without errors. |
| 18:13.13 | rev|lib | kyngel: most people would just use it for the usb cable for connecting to the desktop, but you can get some thing which attach to it |
| 18:13.18 | rev|lib | i get higher bandwidth |
| 18:13.25 | rev|lib | unless you're talking about some other kind of serial |
| 18:13.33 | Cameron-Gawn | Is there some way I can use a PCMCIA Wifi card with a Zaurus C700? Maybe some cheap adapter for cpct flash or SD? |
| 18:13.37 | kyngel | I'm talking about moving RS232 data via the port on the bottom. |
| 18:13.43 | Cameron-Gawn | OR would I do better just buying a dedicated Wifi card for it? |
| 18:13.53 | rev|lib | using USBnet, i've pushed a good 500 Kbytes/sec between the Z and the desktop |
| 18:14.02 | kyngel | It won't log reliably at 2 hertz. It gets about 10 errors/hour, which is unacceptable. |
| 18:14.18 | rev|lib | you can get a PCMCIA->CF adapter for like $10- but, you'd have a big ugly PCMCIA card sticking out |
| 18:14.22 | kyngel | But the Socket I/O card we just got lets it take data at 2 hertz just fine. 22 hours, and only 8 errors total. |
| 18:14.23 | rev|lib | i would get a CF wifi card |
| 18:14.39 | rev|lib | you can buy them for $50-80 for a decent enough one |
| 18:14.57 | rev|lib | i just got an Ambicom WL1100C |
| 18:15.00 | Cameron-Gawn | alright, then, I might do that |
| 18:15.01 | rev|lib | worked great out of the box |
| 18:15.06 | Cameron-Gawn | cool |
| 18:15.14 | Cameron-Gawn | much lower power consumption too, no? |
| 18:15.14 | rev|lib | but make sure to get a supoprted one |
| 18:15.20 | Cameron-Gawn | than w/ a pcmcia adapter |
| 18:15.27 | rev|lib | than a PCMCIA card? perhaps, depends on the card I imagine |
| 18:15.34 | Cameron-Gawn | rev|lib: Are there really any that Linux doesen't support? |
| 18:15.35 | rev|lib | you can get a low-power wifi CF card too |
| 18:15.42 | rev|lib | designed for low power operation |
| 18:15.44 | rev|lib | but it's like $130 |
| 18:15.50 | rev|lib | Cameron-Gawn: yes, at least on the Zaurus |
| 18:16.02 | rev|lib | there are cards just plain unsupported, with no drivers |
| 18:16.04 | Cameron-Gawn | rev|lib: ah, so low power = more expen$ive then :) |
| 18:16.13 | rev|lib | and then there are those you have to edit .conf files to get to work |
| 18:16.22 | rev|lib | but if there isn't a driver available you're SOL |
| 18:16.25 | Cameron-Gawn | rev|lib: ok. Mine would be though (Lucent Orinoco) |
| 18:16.26 | rev|lib | unlike on a reguilar PDA platform |
| 18:16.28 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 18:16.30 | rev|lib | that should be |
| 18:16.47 | Cameron-Gawn | And I can use practically any generic cpct flash -> pcmcia adapter if I don't mind about the card sticking out? |
| 18:16.59 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 18:17.05 | Cameron-Gawn | (generic as a USB hub then :)) |
| 18:17.10 | rev|lib | they're pretty cheap- i've seen them for like $9 |
| 18:17.16 | rev|lib | generic as a usb hub? |
| 18:17.19 | rev|lib | huh/ |
| 18:17.48 | Cameron-Gawn | USB hubs are cheap. USB hubs work with any device w/ a USB port |
| 18:17.52 | Cameron-Gawn | they're generic things |
| 18:18.00 | Cameron-Gawn | standard |
| 18:18.07 | rev|lib | oh, you were using it as an analogy |
| 18:18.08 | rev|lib | ok |
| 18:18.09 | rev|lib | heh |
| 18:18.13 | Cameron-Gawn | few non-standard USB things, few non-standard compact flash |
| 18:18.14 | rev|lib | pretty much |
| 18:18.21 | rev|lib | plenty of both |
| 18:18.29 | rev|lib | non-standard usb or CF things |
| 18:18.34 | rev|lib | like with anything, you need a driver |
| 18:18.35 | rev|lib | but |
| 18:18.38 | rev|lib | the converter is fine |
| 18:18.40 | rev|lib | it just matches pins |
| 18:18.52 | rev|lib | the card would hang out, but meh |
| 18:18.58 | rev|lib | a person or two in here does that |
| 18:19.08 | Cameron-Gawn | :) |
| 18:19.12 | rev|lib | i think fliplap may use an Orinoco WaveLAN card on his 5500 with a PCMCIA-CF converter |
| 18:19.19 | Cameron-Gawn | any if I already have a card -- it's a shame to buy a new one :) |
| 18:19.25 | Cameron-Gawn | ok |
| 18:19.30 | rev|lib | yes, but it's a matter of convenience |
| 18:19.35 | rev|lib | i just bot a new card, sold the otherone |
| 18:19.36 | Cameron-Gawn | sure |
| 18:19.41 | rev|lib | i mean |
| 18:19.47 | rev|lib | the C700 is $400 |
| 18:19.52 | rev|lib | and your sugar daddy said he'd spend $500 |
| 18:19.55 | rev|lib | so there you go |
| 18:19.57 | rev|lib | $100 for a card |
| 18:20.14 | rev|lib | BOOYA |
| 18:23.48 | rev|lib | actually |
| 18:23.59 | rev|lib | if you could find a dfael like this, it'd be even more worthwhile to get a CF wifi card |
| 18:24.18 | rev|lib | it just ended, but there was a CompUSA rebate dealie where you could get a WCF12 CF wificard for $30 |
| 18:28.43 | rev|lib | indeed |
| 18:28.44 | rev|lib | i agree |
| 18:28.49 | rev|lib | i went through 2 of them |
| 18:28.52 | rev|lib | both broke after 3 weeks |
| 18:28.57 | rev|lib | thank god buy.com has such a good return policty |
| 18:29.01 | rev|lib | ori would've been mightily pissed |
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| 18:33.40 | treke | If it dies again, I'll start considering an ipaq 5400 :p |
| 18:35.07 | treke | It has built in 802.11b and blue tooth :) Although bluetooth is pretty useless for me :p |
| 18:38.32 | rev|lib | mmm |
| 18:38.34 | rev|lib | bluetooth is cool |
| 18:38.37 | rev|lib | i wish it was used more thuogh |
| 18:38.41 | rev|lib | it has a lot of potential |
| 18:39.21 | rev|lib | does linux support the wifi on the 5400? |
| 18:39.27 | treke | rev|lib: sort of |
| 18:39.30 | rev|lib | the C7x0 really should come with built-in wifi |
| 18:39.37 | rev|lib | for such an expensive flagship, shit man |
| 18:39.41 | rev|lib | the UX50 does, IIRC |
| 18:39.43 | rev|lib | alas |
| 18:39.44 | treke | It "works", but it doesnt work :p |
| 18:39.47 | rev|lib | leave it to sharp to be retarded |
| 18:39.48 | rev|lib | haha |
| 18:39.52 | rev|lib | what does that mean? |
| 18:39.58 | rev|lib | can't use it for browsing etc? |
| 18:40.05 | rev|lib | or only certain aspects don't work? |
| 18:40.29 | treke | rev|lib: The driver is still really rough |
| 18:40.35 | rev|lib | i wish everything used bluetooth |
| 18:40.41 | rev|lib | the control chip needs to be cheaper |
| 18:40.51 | rev|lib | i want my microwave, tv, DVD to all use it |
| 18:40.54 | rev|lib | etc etc |
| 18:41.18 | rev|lib | Cameron-Gawn: http://www.sycard.com/cfext166.html |
| 18:41.21 | treke | Really same with the rest of the device. CRL has the specs and is doing the driver though, so I'm pretty confident it'll get straightened out |
| 18:41.33 | rev|lib | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.36 | rev|lib | lunchtime |
| 18:41.38 | rev|lib | bbiaf |
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| 18:44.31 | CAMCAM | built-in wifi and bluetooth (for low consumption) are the only two thing that lacking into SL-C760 hardware |
| 18:45.13 | treke | bluetooth would be cool, but the only thing I can think of using it for would be synching |
| 18:46.00 | CAMCAM | synching and connection to mobile |
| 18:46.17 | treke | that would require a bluetooth compatible phone ;p |
| 18:46.44 | CAMCAM | or MP3 listening without cable |
| 18:46.45 | kyngel | Hm... what are ttyS1 and S2 connected to? |
| 18:47.46 | CAMCAM | treke: or access to your E-Mail directly from a bluetooth router |
| 18:48.32 | CAMCAM | Or using a bluetooth GPS into you car or outside |
| 18:48.40 | kyngel | Does anyone do mobile WiFi through Verizon? |
| 18:49.01 | CAMCAM | Verizon ? |
| 18:49.11 | treke | CAMCAM: I dont know about you, but I prefer not crashing :) |
| 18:49.22 | kyngel | Yeah. An East Coast communications company. |
| 18:49.41 | kyngel | At least in NYC, all their payphones have 802.11 access points, but you have to be a subscriber to get online. |
| 18:50.02 | treke | Verizon is nation wide as far as I know. |
| 18:50.16 | CAMCAM | treke: ;) You never use you device then.. |
| 18:50.18 | kyngel | Heh, I've been out west all of once, so i didn't know if they'd made it out there. |
| 18:50.36 | treke | CAMCAM: Nah. I just avoide driving |
| 18:50.44 | CAMCAM | kyngel: As I'm living in France (Paris :) |
| 18:50.45 | treke | kyngel: Verizon is GTE isnt it? |
| 18:51.09 | kyngel | It may be... I'm honestly not sure where the divisions between the com companies are anymore. |
| 18:51.32 | kyngel | I gave up trying to follow that when I moved to BigZoo for all long-distance. |
| 18:51.35 | treke | yeah. It was a merger between GTE and Bell Communications |
| 18:51.38 | CAMCAM | treke: I forgot. You can also print with bluetooth |
| 18:51.44 | treke | err. Bell Atlantic |
| 18:51.52 | kyngel | No need to deal with their hugely high rates anymore. |
| 18:52.24 | treke | hehe. dont even know what I pay them everymonth |
| 18:52.38 | treke | actually. I dont even know if I have long distance service |
| 18:52.49 | kyngel | I have my local service; I don't use long-distance much, so I only have to recharge my Bigzoo accout every few months. |
| 18:53.31 | CAMCAM | treke: I continue in my delirium : you can also download photo from some camera |
| 18:53.43 | kyngel | And one charge of the BZ account is still cheaper than I'd be paying my local telco per month. |
| 18:53.50 | treke | CAMCAM: Ok. I get the point. Now be quiet |
| 18:54.01 | CAMCAM | :) |
| 18:54.10 | treke | hehe. I'd cancel my home phone if I didnt need it for DSL |
| 18:54.32 | kyngel | The university is giving me a line that I'm promptly going to not use. :) |
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| 18:54.56 | kyngel | No cell and no home phone. I'm gonna be a rogue entry in databases everywhere! |
| 18:55.14 | W8TVI | lol |
| 18:55.32 | treke | phones are just not worth the trouble |
| 18:55.34 | kyngel | "Just when you thought it was safe not to error-check your entries... The Blank Avenger comes along!" |
| 18:55.54 | kyngel | Yeah, I can videophone home using my webcam and mic anytime. |
| 18:57.10 | kyngel | Unfortunately my school doesn't allow VOIP over their wireless, so I have to either plug in or go to Starbucks. :) |
| 18:57.28 | treke | if someone wants to contact me, that can email me. :) |
| 18:57.47 | kyngel | I've even given up on email, treke. They can IM me anytime they want. :) |
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| 19:10.48 | r1ch | Hey, folks. Anyone have an idea where I can buy a new flip-cover for my 5500? I dropped it the other day and one of the hinge pins broke off. |
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| 19:27.46 | rev|lib | yar |
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| 19:29.54 | rev|lib | wb vampy |
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| 19:30.35 | VampireZIM | hy |
| 19:30.40 | VampireZIM | Comcast is here working on my net |
| 19:30.44 | VampireZIM | i hope they fix it |
| 19:30.58 | w8tvi_ | heh' |
| 19:31.33 | George- | VampireZIM: what?!? you mean you can't fix it yourself? :P |
| 19:31.41 | VampireZIM | its intermitant, but he did get an error on the test, so thats good |
| 19:31.56 | VampireZIM | George-: its outside. :P |
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| 19:32.14 | George- | VampireZIM: windows doesn't deserve an internet connection anyway :P |
| 19:32.21 | VampireZIM | lol |
| 19:32.23 | VampireZIM | your nuts |
| 19:32.25 | George- | VampireZIM: it just gives it more options to choose when it's crashing :) |
| 19:32.53 | George- | I *have* nuts, yes, but whether I'm nuts or not.. hrmm.. |
| 19:33.06 | George- | I'd say the answer is a definitive YES |
| 19:33.24 | VampireZIM | i think i might has sold my C700 |
| 19:33.29 | VampireZIM | :/ |
| 19:33.39 | VampireZIM | i am going to miss it, but in a month i will probably get a C760 |
| 19:33.51 | rev|lib | haha |
| 19:33.54 | rev|lib | but you'll have the same problems |
| 19:34.00 | rev|lib | with lack of support, etc etc |
| 19:34.06 | VampireZIM | i will live with it |
| 19:34.11 | rev|lib | maybe someday it'll work |
| 19:34.12 | George- | wtf for? you run windows |
| 19:34.13 | VampireZIM | bottom line, there isnt anything better |
| 19:34.27 | George- | rev|lib: being a windows user, he's used to lack of support ;) |
| 19:34.47 | VampireZIM | uh, Windows is the most support OS on the planet, just for your information |
| 19:34.49 | rev|lib | George-: nah, that's what linux users are used to |
| 19:34.58 | rev|lib | windows may have it's failings, yes |
| 19:35.08 | rev|lib | but it supports damned near everything |
| 19:35.10 | oGMo | er |
| 19:35.15 | oGMo | i'd concur with George- ;) |
| 19:35.24 | George- | rev|lib: Linux runs on more systems than Windows... |
| 19:35.29 | VampireZIM | i am sure i will be able to get bluetooth working with the Socket card, then i will be happy again |
| 19:35.33 | oGMo | i've had more problems iwth windows support than linux support |
| 19:35.59 | George- | VampireZIM: UNIX is probably more supported than Windows ;) |
| 19:36.03 | VampireZIM | we arent talking about tech support dipshits |
| 19:36.04 | oGMo | windows may have drivers for everything, but a lot of them suck |
| 19:36.19 | rev|lib | George-: and? |
| 19:36.20 | George- | VampireZIM: uh, I am :P |
| 19:36.24 | VampireZIM | we are talking about the amount of software available |
| 19:36.34 | VampireZIM | my problem with C700 is the lack of Bluetooth driver support |
| 19:36.41 | oGMo | VampireZIM: i'm talking about driver support |
| 19:36.51 | George- | rev|lib: well, when you said "supports damn near everything" I assumed you meant it runs on damned near everything |
| 19:36.55 | oGMo | there are bluetooth drivers |
| 19:37.02 | rev|lib | George-: nope |
| 19:37.14 | VampireZIM | og: well windows has more than enough bluetooth drivers |
| 19:37.26 | oGMo | VampireZIM: what bt card do you have? |
| 19:37.33 | VampireZIM | the companies that make BT cards support windows |
| 19:37.34 | rev|lib | but as far as the majority of extension hardware, windows supports more- no surprise, considering that most computers run windows... it's only natural for the hardware makers to support the majority |
| 19:37.39 | George- | oGMo: don't you love it how VampireZIM gets personal during arguments? :) |
| 19:37.45 | oGMo | George-: ;) |
| 19:37.51 | oGMo | rev|lib: i dunno |
| 19:37.52 | George- | "dipshit" |
| 19:37.52 | VampireZIM | i am personal |
| 19:37.59 | George- | VampireZIM: yes, well it's a bad quality |
| 19:38.04 | George- | "NO IT'S NOT YOU DIPSHIT!" |
| 19:38.05 | VampireZIM | George-: thats a title your confortable |
| 19:38.27 | oGMo | it may support the shitty low-end noname wincards, but linux has better support for some things |
| 19:38.32 | oGMo | anyhow |
| 19:38.40 | George- | dood, Linux has better support for the S/390 |
| 19:38.42 | VampireZIM | ogmo: i tried ambicom |
| 19:38.43 | George- | ;) |
| 19:38.43 | oGMo | what bluetooth card do you have that there aren't drivers for? |
| 19:38.47 | George- | and the RS/6000 |
| 19:38.48 | oGMo | ambicom has support |
| 19:39.01 | VampireZIM | oGMo: not on C700 sharp rom |
| 19:39.13 | oGMo | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=612 |
| 19:39.28 | oGMo | VampireZIM: so request them be built, or build them yourself |
| 19:39.33 | VampireZIM | oGMo: yea, i tryid that one, doesnt work on my C700 |
| 19:39.36 | rev|lib | no ipk? |
| 19:39.37 | George- | oGMo: remember, if he can't find a "Add/Remove Hardware" icon, he automatically assumes nothing's supported ;) |
| 19:39.44 | oGMo | George-: ;) |
| 19:39.52 | oGMo | hrm, the page that's pointing to seems to be down |
| 19:39.55 | rev|lib | George-, you're being just as pettily personal |
| 19:39.59 | oGMo | there's a mirror around i'm sure |
| 19:40.00 | George- | rev|lib: :) |
| 19:40.07 | oGMo | rev|lib: what goes around... |
| 19:40.13 | rev|lib | haha |
| 19:40.15 | rev|lib | christ |
| 19:40.17 | George- | oGMo: the earth... around the sun :P |
| 19:40.23 | rev|lib | man, this is definately a linux channel |
| 19:40.24 | rev|lib | k |
| 19:40.28 | rev|lib | gotta go do some stuff |
| 19:40.43 | oGMo | rev|lib: hey, it could be a bsd channel. |
| 19:40.44 | oGMo | :) |
| 19:40.48 | George- | oGMo: *shudder* |
| 19:40.58 | George- | oGMo: or even a *GASP* windows channel |
| 19:41.22 | oGMo | VampireZIM: just enter "ambicom zaurus" or "ambicom linux" into google and you get a ton of things |
| 19:41.26 | George- | or not quite so bad.. a teen chat room! |
| 19:42.00 | VampireZIM | oGMo: i took it back, i am getting the Socket card |
| 19:42.11 | oGMo | VampireZIM: good choice |
| 19:42.21 | oGMo | VampireZIM: socket 802.11b or bt? |
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| 19:42.31 | VampireZIM | bt |
| 19:42.34 | ErikN | is there a good sip client for zaurus? |
| 19:42.36 | oGMo | i want one of the 802.11b cards |
| 19:42.42 | oGMo | VampireZIM: well check google, i'm sure someone has support for it |
| 19:42.48 | VampireZIM | i have had no problems with wifi, i wish sharp would have supported bt also |
| 19:43.03 | George- | blahblahblah |
| 19:43.06 | George- | ibot george- |
| 19:43.07 | | from memory, george- is george- a troll wannabe. NOT a leet hackor, or <George`Roasting> I'm a big fat annoyance!!!!!!!! |
| 19:43.19 | George- | :) |
| 19:43.28 | George- | ibot george |
| 19:43.28 | | well, george is a git |
| 19:43.36 | VampireZIM | i have searched alot, this issue was the reason for selling my C700 and i reall love the machine, so i exausted all avenues, socket seems to be the only supported option for C700 Sharp rom |
| 19:43.56 | George- | VampireZIM: the C700 sucks anyway *cough* PXA250 *cough* |
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| 19:45.11 | George- | OMG! Apparently SCO owns part of TT |
| 19:46.11 | George- | TT IS EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL EVIL!!! |
| 19:46.53 | rev|lib | man |
| 19:46.59 | rev|lib | i wish the zaurus and linux supported more |
| 19:47.03 | rev|lib | it'd sure be nice to have SDIO |
| 19:47.12 | rev|lib | so one could use bluetooth or wifi on an SD card |
| 19:47.25 | mewyn | http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Aug/08122003/business/83192.asp |
| 19:47.28 | prh | aye that'd be cool |
| 19:47.34 | mewyn | http://www.cbronline.com/latestnews/9782d41cb967566b80256d800018c833 |
| 19:47.39 | prh | George-: who is TT? |
| 19:47.40 | ErikN | is there a good sip client for zaurus? |
| 19:47.41 | mewyn | everyone hates SCO |
| 19:47.43 | George- | rev|lib: it'd be nice to have more than one fucking data line to the SD |
| 19:47.47 | George- | prh: TROLLTECH |
| 19:48.05 | rev|lib | George-: indeed |
| 19:48.11 | rev|lib | ErikN: sip? |
| 19:48.18 | George- | SD is too fecking slow |
| 19:48.29 | George- | on the SA1110 |
| 19:48.30 | ErikN | sip <-- phone stuff |
| 19:48.36 | rev|lib | ... |
| 19:48.45 | George- | the PXA2xx has 4 data lines to SD doesn't it? |
| 19:48.49 | prh | George-: Ahh. |
| 19:48.51 | George- | I know the Alchemy does |
| 19:48.52 | rev|lib | no clue |
| 19:49.00 | ErikN | rev|lib: like free phone calls etc |
| 19:49.01 | George- | I want an Alchemy based Zaurus |
| 19:49.26 | prh | whats alchemy? |
| 19:49.53 | George- | the AMD embedded cpu |
| 19:49.56 | George- | very nice architecture |
| 19:49.58 | prh | ahh |
| 19:50.04 | prh | better than arm? |
| 19:51.13 | George- | it's MIPS |
| 19:51.30 | George- | only downside is that power consumption is a bit high |
| 19:51.49 | George- | but almost everything is implemented on-chip.. it has support for almost everything |
| 19:56.27 | George- | ahh, the windows user has crashed |
| 19:56.28 | George- | :) |
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| 19:57.44 | MobileZIM | hy |
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| 20:12.09 | MobileZIM1 | the ping time out on this network are set way too high |
| 20:12.36 | George- | no, it's just that your internet connection sucks |
| 20:13.02 | George- | if you didn't keep disconnecting unexpectedly, it wouldn't make a difference :P |
| 20:13.13 | MobileZIM1 | i am on my cell phone, so for the first time in your life, you are right |
| 20:13.22 | George- | I'm always right. |
| 20:13.24 | George- | you silly sod. |
| 20:14.04 | MobileZIM1 | you are wasting my bandwidth |
| 20:14.12 | George- | and? |
| 20:14.45 | redtoade | I -- feel -- like -- every -- letter -- I -- type -- is -- expensive -- to -- someone... |
| 20:14.52 | George- | HAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 20:16.48 | MobileZIM1 | not expensive, but even a fraction of a penny isnt worth paying to hear what george has to say |
| 20:16.58 | MobileZIM1 | ZIC needs an ignore command |
| 20:17.04 | George- | hahahaha |
| 20:17.17 | George- | Let's start racking his bill up! |
| 20:17.28 | George- | jhsdfguiaodhfguipadhfgpahj[sdfioghjapsdufghoa['isdhjfn oxaiuweroctauplesctyioxunsd;oufyipasDHF;ALSKDUYFIAHSD;GIUYUIADGH;IHYIuha;sduifhguialdsfyguipabscyopnuias;acbaui;sdncypawmeirucahtipuadryotcanisdryausdyfcuioasydniaucyseprioewyrtpxaiucysnruicaobyutiva byncynsipucrtyauiotvaeurtyuiceyrbpauierycbapiuertycoaiuerbyc |
| 20:18.03 | George- | IRC'ing on a mobile phone without a /ignore command == TROUBLE |
| 20:18.49 | treke | George-: Shut up already |
| 20:19.06 | George- | oh dear, the master greg is telling me to shut up |
| 20:19.08 | redtoade | George-: what's the default fs for an SD? |
| 20:19.13 | MobileZIM1 | i have a master ignore button, its marked with an X in the uper right corner |
| 20:19.24 | George- | redtoade: uh, it comes formatted as vfat |
| 20:19.30 | redtoade | ok |
| 20:19.30 | George- | MobileZIM1: use it then :P |
| 20:19.41 | redtoade | George-: do most people leave it at vfat then? |
| 20:19.46 | George- | dunno |
| 20:19.49 | George- | Mine's ext2 |
| 20:20.08 | redtoade | I have a corrupted filename that won't let me delete it |
| 20:20.14 | redtoade | so mkfs is my last option |
| 20:20.24 | George- | oh yes, I get that a lot |
| 20:20.28 | George- | you have to mkfs it |
| 20:20.29 | George- | which sucks |
| 20:20.36 | redtoade | but ext2 works? |
| 20:20.44 | George- | which is exactly what I'm doing to MobileZIM1's bandwidth |
| 20:20.48 | George- | SUCK SUCK SUCK |
| 20:20.59 | George- | redtoade: dunno |
| 20:21.04 | George- | redtoade: er. |
| 20:21.10 | George- | redtoade: ext2 works on the SD like a dream... |
| 20:21.14 | redtoade | good |
| 20:21.33 | redtoade | why don't I just cheat and ask you what the full command would be |
| 20:21.46 | redtoade | mkfs /mnt/card? |
| 20:21.50 | George- | wtf |
| 20:21.53 | George- | what do you want to do |
| 20:21.54 | redtoade | or is the /dev preferred |
| 20:22.13 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.19 | George- | you can't format a mount point |
| 20:22.34 | redtoade | filesys is either the device name (e.g. /dev/hda1, |
| 20:22.35 | redtoade | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.45 | redtoade | man mkfs |
| 20:22.51 | redtoade | but that's for my RH 8 box |
| 20:23.04 | redtoade | s/for/from |
| 20:23.05 | George- | you're joking |
| 20:23.13 | George- | wow |
| 20:23.16 | George- | I never knew that |
| 20:23.19 | redtoade | heh |
| 20:23.28 | George- | i assume that the mount point can only be used if it's in the fstab though. |
| 20:23.36 | redtoade | probably |
| 20:23.44 | redtoade | which is why I'm asking for the zaurus what YOU used |
| 20:23.57 | George- | TO DO WHAT? |
| 20:24.00 | redtoade | sigh |
| 20:24.01 | redtoade | nm |
| 20:24.02 | George- | format as ext2? vfat? |
| 20:24.05 | redtoade | oh |
| 20:24.07 | redtoade | ext2 |
| 20:24.12 | redtoade | is that the default -t? |
| 20:24.14 | George- | fdisk /dev/mmcda |
| 20:24.16 | redtoade | thanks |
| 20:24.17 | George- | t |
| 20:24.18 | George- | 1 |
| 20:24.22 | George- | 83 |
| 20:24.25 | George- | (I think) |
| 20:24.27 | George- | then |
| 20:24.33 | George- | mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcda1 |
| 20:24.43 | George- | mount /dev/mmcda1 /mnt/card |
| 20:24.45 | George- | mount |
| 20:25.05 | George- | the partition type is either 82 or 83 |
| 20:25.09 | George- | I can never remember which one |
| 20:25.25 | redtoade | I'll look it up, thanks |
| 20:25.29 | George- | typing "L" and scouring the table for the linux partition type will tell you |
| 20:36.31 | VampireZIM | heh, like an hour later it pings out |
| 20:36.59 | treke | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.06 | VampireZIM | i know |
| 20:38.52 | MobileZIM | helps if you register the nick |
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| 21:14.11 | George- | VampireZIM: I AM EATING YOU BANDWIDTH |
| 21:14.17 | George- | VampireZIM: I AM COSTING YOU MONEY |
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| 21:34.51 | Cameron | you there, VampireZIM |
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| 22:03.17 | rev|lib | yar |
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| 22:39.57 | TCMAN | hi |
| 22:41.18 | VampireZIM | my C700 is officially sold. :/ |
| 22:41.26 | rev|lib | awww |
| 22:41.28 | rev|lib | to cam? |
| 22:41.44 | VampireZIM | yea |
| 22:41.54 | VampireZIM | already spent half of it. :/ |
| 22:41.55 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: congrats |
| 22:42.29 | VampireZIM | i will probably get a C760 next month, if i dont buy a scooter. heh |
| 22:44.54 | Cameron | hehe, VampireZIM, a scooter? |
| 22:45.09 | TCMAN | George-: still roasting ? |
| 22:45.22 | George- | not really :) |
| 22:45.29 | George- | but I bet your 9800 Pro is :P |
| 22:45.43 | TCMAN | George-: too bad, i think i can get you rage pro :) |
| 22:45.48 | George- | grah |
| 22:45.54 | George- | I have a Mach 64 somewhere.... :) |
| 22:47.33 | George- | treke: <enki> is anyone else getting a connection timeout when trying to connect to treke.net ? |
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| 22:50.04 | rev|lib | is gawn supposed to be like gone |
| 22:50.06 | rev|lib | but lamer? |
| 22:50.07 | rev|lib | ;) |
| 22:52.39 | hardwire | wtf is |lib ? |
| 22:53.24 | rev|lib | library |
| 22:53.31 | rev|lib | because i am working at the library at this moment |
| 22:53.38 | rev|lib | i'd just say rev|work |
| 22:53.44 | rev|lib | but i work a few different jobs |
| 22:54.06 | TCMAN | rev|pot :) when you are sitting on the john ? |
| 22:54.11 | rev|lib | actually |
| 22:54.14 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 22:54.15 | rev|lib | heh |
| 22:54.17 | rev|lib | i gotta run tho |
| 22:54.20 | rev|lib | quittin' time |
| 22:54.20 | rev|lib | ciao |
| 23:01.26 | George- | TCMAN: so, you have a spare Rage Pro? |
| 23:01.54 | TCMAN | George-: yeah, is hould have couple, i was just kidding :) |
| 23:02.02 | TCMAN | hould = should |
| 23:02.26 | TCMAN | George-: in old office we had big land of dead computers with like 50 old pII computers with ancient gfx cards :) |
| 23:02.37 | George- | SHIP EM ALL OVER HERE |
| 23:02.38 | TCMAN | George-: if i knew you want rage pro i would send you 10 :) |
| 23:02.43 | George- | bbeeeeoooowwwuuuullllffffff |
| 23:04.22 | fliplap | i'm so happy to be done with my old hardware obesession :-) |
| 23:04.55 | fliplap | gave away 5 sparc stations, threw away my 690MP, most of the rest of my old stuff went to give aways for defcon |
| 23:07.09 | TCMAN | George-: its all gone now |
| 23:07.42 | George- | TCMAN: bugger. |
| 23:07.57 | George- | fliplap: you didn't happen to have a spare RS/6000 did you? |
| 23:08.26 | fliplap | fraid not |
| 23:08.49 | George- | fliplap: what sort of cruddy hardware did you have an obsession in? :P |
| 23:08.51 | fliplap | heh, i did keep my Ultra1e as a router/vpn server |
| 23:09.03 | George- | TCMAN: shall I send you an SAE? |
| 23:09.21 | fliplap | George-: lots of sparc stations, xterms, old intel motherboards, lots of old intel work stations |
| 23:10.01 | George- | I can have lots of xterms on demand |
| 23:10.25 | fliplap | hardware x-terms |
| 23:10.30 | George- | :P |
| 23:10.31 | George- | hehe |
| 23:10.36 | George- | I know :) |
| 23:10.46 | fliplap | they were actually nifty boxes, had 21" monitors |
| 23:12.00 | TCMAN | George-: SAE ? |
| 23:12.26 | George- | Stamped Addressed Envelope :) |
| 23:14.42 | George- | BAH, ssh.sf.net's /proc/cpuinfo is only readable by root :( |
| 23:15.12 | TCMAN | hehe |
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| 23:19.43 | George- | ibot topic mod s#2.4.18 for 5000D available at http://zorian.ath.cx/files (for use with OZ) - CF is a bit inconsistent, SD/MMC seems to work.#2.4.18 for OpenZaurus on collie available at http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental/collie/2.4.18-rmk7-np2-embedix/# |
| 23:19.49 | *** topic/#zaurus by ibot -> Zaurus Discussion - http://www.zaurus.com/ - http://myzaurus.com/ | OpenZaurus help in #openzaurus || 2.4.18 for OpenZaurus on collie available at http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental/collie/2.4.18-rmk7-np2-embedix/ Only been tested on latest OZ build from opie.net.wox.org (george-) |
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| 23:23.38 | George- | ibot topic mod s#|| 2.4.18 for OpenZaurus on collie available at http://openzaurus.org/unofficial/experimental/collie/2.4.18-rmk7-np2-embedix/ Only been tested on latest OZ build from opie.net.wox.org## |
| 23:23.40 | *** topic/#zaurus by ibot -> Zaurus Discussion - http://www.zaurus.com/ - http://myzaurus.com/ | OpenZaurus help in #openzaurus (george-) |
| 23:23.44 | George- | ok |
| 23:23.56 | George- | I'm done messing with the topic |
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| 23:35.47 | George- | hi mutexer |
| 23:35.59 | mutexer | hi |
| 23:36.16 | George- | mutexer: interested in testing 2.4.18 for me? |
| 23:36.28 | mutexer | 2.4.18 of what? |
| 23:36.32 | mutexer | zaurus rom? |
| 23:36.42 | George- | openzaurus zImage |
| 23:36.50 | mutexer | sorry.. my zaurus is dead |
| 23:36.54 | George- | bah |
| 23:36.56 | George- | how? |
| 23:37.03 | mutexer | battery isnt charged :) |
| 23:37.22 | mutexer | Its stowed away until I can get the 200 bucks for a qtopia license |
| 23:37.24 | George- | oh brilliant |
| 23:37.25 | George- | git :P |
| 23:37.29 | George- | heh |
| 23:37.45 | mutexer | I dont actually use a PDA for anytthing but development |
| 23:37.46 | George- | I got a qtopia license courtesy of trolltech developer competition :) |
| 23:38.08 | mutexer | I got a free Zaurus courtesy of sharp.. so I didnt get lucky to get both free |
| 23:38.21 | George- | the 2002 Developer Challenge? |
| 23:38.27 | mutexer | yeah |
| 23:38.40 | George- | heh, that's where I got my Zaurus |
| 23:38.41 | mutexer | since when did you start working on Oprnzuarus roms? |
| 23:38.47 | George- | uh, I don't |
| 23:39.09 | mutexer | oh.. you said "interested in testing 2.4.18 for me" I assumede that meant you made it |
| 23:39.17 | George- | I did |
| 23:39.35 | mutexer | so you made one for the hell of it? |
| 23:39.55 | George- | obviously. |
| 23:39.56 | George- | bleh |
| 23:40.01 | mutexer | you know;.. you owe SCO 35 bucks for each person who uses that rom :P |
| 23:40.04 | George- | no, I made one because I want 2.4.18 on collie? |
| 23:40.08 | George- | mutexer: go fuck yourself |
| 23:40.14 | mutexer | :) |
| 23:40.30 | George- | http://zorian.ath.cx/images/oz.png |
| 23:40.36 | mutexer | hey.. at least 35 bucks and not $699 |
| 23:40.45 | George- | I'm 15, I have no money |
| 23:40.46 | W8TVI | stfu mutexer |
| 23:40.52 | fliplap | get a job |
| 23:41.05 | W8TVI | I'm 23, and I still have no money |
| 23:41.20 | fliplap | no kidding, i have a job and no money |
| 23:41.46 | mutexer | who was the get a job for? George for his SCO licenses or for me for qtopia license? |
| 23:42.04 | fliplap | Jorge |
| 23:42.17 | George- | haha |
| 23:42.41 | George- | well, I'm telling SCO what they can do with their damn licensing scheme :) |
| 23:43.05 | George- | mutexer: and to answer your question, I haven't done any OZ work |
| 23:43.10 | George- | mutexer: all I did was compile a kernel for it :) |
| 23:43.20 | George- | that seems to work |
| 23:43.21 | fliplap | heh, i'm still not running opie 1.0 |
| 23:43.21 | George- | heh |
| 23:43.30 | George- | fliplap: ya boo sucks to you :P |
| 23:43.50 | mutexer | Im still runnning almost the original sharp rom |
| 23:44.00 | mutexer | I tihnk IM running 1.35 |
| 23:44.00 | fliplap | shrug, there still stuff that needs fixing |
| 23:44.00 | George- | mutexer: you sick bastard |
| 23:44.10 | mutexer | 1.0 was too horrible to use |
| 23:44.16 | George- | heh |
| 23:44.30 | George- | well, I'm on a modified OZ |
| 23:44.32 | George- | 3.3.1 |
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