| 00:01.44 | mspencer | yeah, I'm on the latest SuKoShi kernel (zImage.bin.0508032320) |
| 00:04.26 | djr | "According to SCO, if you have a TiVo set-top box, or those models of Sharp Zaurus which use Linux, someone now owes them $32" |
| 00:04.30 | djr | hehe |
| 00:04.39 | ChipX86 | heh yeah |
| 00:04.53 | ChipX86 | forgot about the tivos.. price just goes up and up |
| 00:04.59 | ChipX86 | I should try calling them again |
| 00:05.01 | djr | $32 is 1/5th of the cost i got my Z for |
| 00:05.18 | jroad | url? |
| 00:05.20 | mspencer | I wonder...I should talk to someone at the local FBI computer crime division. |
| 00:05.33 | mspencer | See if I can sit in his office, have him listen in and record, and call SCO and get them to blackmail me. |
| 00:06.15 | mspencer | that whole "We own ANYTHING unix-like" claim blows that away though. X__X |
| 00:06.46 | djr | ChipX86: is the gaim cvs public? |
| 00:06.54 | djr | jroad: its on /. |
| 00:07.04 | ChipX86 | djr: yeah, but on SF's anoncvs server, which is 24-48 hours lagged for the moment.. they're working to get new hardware |
| 00:07.05 | djr | http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/08/06/2232223 |
| 00:07.18 | mspencer | oh yeah...last Zaurus article on /., I had a +5 comment. \o/ |
| 00:07.18 | djr | ChipX86: yeah, sf.net has been horrible lately |
| 00:07.25 | ChipX86 | brb |
| 00:07.36 | djr | ChipX86: whats the project name? ill grab cvs |
| 00:07.36 | djr | :D |
| 00:07.48 | ChipX86 | qpe-gaim |
| 00:07.52 | djr | k, thanks |
| 00:07.55 | ChipX86 | you need libgaim though, and that's not available anywhere |
| 00:07.58 | ChipX86 | except in ipkg form |
| 00:08.01 | djr | ah |
| 00:08.02 | jroad | The SCO Group said Tuesday (August 5) it wants $32 for each embedded system using Linux. That request stems from the Lindon, Utah company's claim that Linux versions 2.4 and above contains code that infringes on its Unix software. |
| 00:08.14 | ChipX86 | it's gaim cvs (latest, so you can't get it just yet.. delayed) with a custom patch and some manual building and stuff |
| 00:08.15 | treke | sf is completly down as of a couple hours ago |
| 00:08.18 | jroad | damn i got replaytv |
| 00:08.32 | treke | and they cleared their mailing list archives yesterday |
| 00:08.39 | djr | ChipX86: ah =/ i guess ill wait for your release... |
| 00:08.47 | ChipX86 | I'm putting up the site today |
| 00:09.16 | ChipX86 | I split libgaim. There's now libgaim and libgaim-protocols, or you can get libgaim and libgaim-protocol-(msn|oscar|jabber|....) |
| 00:09.23 | fliplap | jroad: thats awesome |
| 00:09.38 | jroad | ? |
| 00:09.42 | fliplap | jroad: since they're claiming its high end enterprise features that were stolen |
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| 00:09.50 | fliplap | the sco thing |
| 00:09.51 | jroad | oh hehe |
| 00:10.03 | LamerX | whats the best 802.11 CF card to buy for the Z? |
| 00:10.04 | treke | fliplap: they are claiming just about anything people will listen two |
| 00:10.05 | jroad | yea some while loops |
| 00:10.06 | fliplap | where can i get myself a NUMA PDA? |
| 00:10.23 | treke | fliplap: There have been a bunch of different claims |
| 00:10.26 | fliplap | treke: its really quite entertaining |
| 00:10.38 | jroad | The company sent letters to about 1,500 large companies it believes could be running such servers. |
| 00:11.07 | fliplap | am i going to have to pay them 16*$32 for my 16-way embedded linux powered coffee maker? |
| 00:11.42 | fliplap | i simply can't believe some court hasn't stepped in to stop this yet |
| 00:12.46 | LamerX | would anybody here agree that the ambicom is a decent wireless card? |
| 00:13.25 | fliplap | a friend of mine has one, he seems satisfied with it |
| 00:13.43 | ChipX86 | I think everyone is having too much fun watching it to interfere |
| 00:14.06 | LamerX | cool thanks flipflap |
| 00:14.18 | fliplap | best is a matter of opinion tho. Some people like the linksys cause its cheap, some like the socket because its low power. Some like an orinoco with an adapter for wardriving |
| 00:14.22 | treke | it's like watching someone try and figure out how to work their voice mail |
| 00:14.32 | treke | sure you can tell them to hit *82 |
| 00:14.41 | treke | but it's more fun to watch them curse and scream for a while first |
| 00:14.48 | ChipX86 | yep |
| 00:14.59 | ChipX86 | they're never going to work in IT again. I'm enjoying every minute of this |
| 00:15.07 | treke | fliplap: linksys wcf11s seem decent. The wcf12s look to be pretty much crap |
| 00:15.20 | jroad | hey i got the 12! |
| 00:15.24 | LamerX | are they all gonna work equally well with kismet? |
| 00:15.31 | ChipX86 | I called their 1-800 number to find out more, with slightly interesting results |
| 00:15.40 | fliplap | i have a 12 as well |
| 00:15.44 | jroad | wcf12 was cheap, it works fine, BUT it gets very hot |
| 00:16.00 | fliplap | doesn't get any hotter than an orinoco |
| 00:16.45 | treke | jroad: I've personally had one die in under a month, and I've heard from a number of people who have had more than one go bad |
| 00:18.03 | jroad | maybe from all the heat... |
| 00:18.11 | jroad | but not bad for $30 |
| 00:18.40 | treke | hehe. thats a bad thing for any price :) |
| 00:19.14 | jroad | well i'm happy till it breaks |
| 00:19.55 | treke | the dlink looks to be the smc looks to be the exact same card, so beware of that one also |
| 00:20.16 | treke | er smc |
| 00:20.18 | treke | not dlinl |
| 00:20.37 | LamerX | wow thanks for all the good info, there doens't seem to be a lot of good reviews that i've been able to find, mostly just products ads |
| 00:26.52 | W8TVI | heh |
| 00:27.29 | fliplap | heh |
| 00:27.37 | jroad | damn |
| 00:27.55 | jroad | i think compusa cycles the rebates |
| 00:28.05 | jroad | linksys for 1 mon then dlink etc |
| 00:33.49 | treke | this mofo is sharp |
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| 00:50.06 | TCMAN | my wcf12 is crap, netgear was cool but died, and dlink 650w has great range and drains battery a lot |
| 00:50.21 | djr | i use an ambicom wl1100c |
| 00:50.30 | treke | TCMAN: does the dlink650w have a big t shaped antena? |
| 00:50.57 | TCMAN | treke: yup, it blocks the stylus |
| 00:51.02 | treke | cool |
| 00:51.07 | treke | so the dlink 650w is the WCF11 |
| 00:51.25 | TCMAN | treke: probably, it shows up as zcom something anyway :) |
| 00:51.52 | TCMAN | its just different stickers and decals :) |
| 00:52.06 | TCMAN | linksys WCF12 VTEC :) |
| 00:52.20 | treke | hehe |
| 00:52.45 | TCMAN | i kinda like linksys wcf12 on outside :) because its small |
| 00:52.56 | LamerX | I'm gonna get the Type-R model if possible. |
| 00:53.01 | TCMAN | btw, did anyone try any of sony cf wifi cards for clie ? |
| 00:53.05 | TCMAN | are they prism based ? |
| 00:53.39 | treke | yummy |
| 00:53.41 | LamerX | nice! |
| 00:54.50 | TCMAN | then, on 40th birthday i will buy corvette :) |
| 00:55.47 | djr | i hate camaros :( theyre too round... like a bubble |
| 00:55.47 | djr | hehe |
| 00:56.23 | TCMAN | naaah, camaros are the greatest, mustangs are too bulky |
| 00:56.25 | djr | my dad has a 92 corvette... i like that, though, hehe... its fun |
| 00:56.32 | djr | i hate mustangs too... theres too many |
| 00:56.51 | djr | your average parking lot will have at least 30-50 mustangs in them =/ |
| 00:57.06 | LamerX | lol |
| 00:57.55 | TCMAN | yeah, and lots of them mustangs driven by grandmas :) |
| 00:58.00 | LamerX | mustangs are allright, i just hate to see those people who buy the 6-cyl and pass it off as fast with decals and crap, my mothers base model altima is faster |
| 00:59.10 | TCMAN | but i also remove tags and badges from my clothes |
| 00:59.28 | LamerX | lol |
| 00:59.58 | LamerX | the best t-shirt ever i found at this store called Hot Topic, it has the cover of "Duck Hunt" blown up really big on it |
| 00:59.59 | TCMAN | too bad that they dont make them black matte, all cars are shiny |
| 01:00.25 | TCMAN | although matte would be probably much worse here |
| 01:00.30 | LamerX | shiny is good imho |
| 01:00.44 | djr | i like a dull shiny |
| 01:00.56 | TCMAN | LamerX: naaah, i want it the same color as f-117 :) |
| 01:01.00 | djr | like the shiny you see on silver paint |
| 01:01.09 | djr | its shiny but you can still see the car... its like a perfect kind |
| 01:01.11 | treke | TCMAN: that would be cool :) |
| 01:01.19 | LamerX | jet black! |
| 01:01.38 | TCMAN | i wouldnt actually mind the same radar absorbing paint :))))) |
| 01:01.54 | LamerX | ooh man |
| 01:02.17 | LamerX | i read about this laser jammer that sounds like it actually works, its so tempting to buy one |
| 01:02.25 | LamerX | but it's like $600 with the radar detector |
| 01:02.40 | TCMAN | i dont think that laser jammers would work |
| 01:02.44 | djr | me either |
| 01:02.49 | TCMAN | its actually very hard to detec laser |
| 01:02.53 | djr | by the time it detects a laser, you're already caught |
| 01:02.56 | TCMAN | not to mention jam it |
| 01:03.31 | TCMAN | but stealth paint would be at least very geeky :) |
| 01:03.44 | treke | not to mention very expensive, and probably very illegal :) |
| 01:03.59 | djr | i think if you need to buy a radar detector... you should learn how to watch out for cops better ;p |
| 01:04.02 | TCMAN | why illegal ? |
| 01:04.12 | treke | djr: Bah. The fuckers like hiding here |
| 01:04.18 | TCMAN | i think only active radar jammers are illegal |
| 01:04.27 | djr | TCMAN: it could be like silencers for guns and stuff... theyre legal to buy, but illegal to assemble and use |
| 01:04.54 | mspencer | it's not the touching of the laser to your car that gets you caught. |
| 01:05.05 | TCMAN | i dont know, what if you dont want to scare ducks :)) cant you use silencer ? :) |
| 01:05.09 | mspencer | It's the visible-light emissions from your car back to the cruiser that get you caught. |
| 01:05.16 | mspencer | THOSE can be jammed or tampered with :) |
| 01:05.28 | LamerX | i read a review of 6 different jammers, and only 1 had any decent jamming ability |
| 01:05.35 | TCMAN | mspencer: you car would have to shine a lot then :) |
| 01:05.51 | LamerX | 3 of them didn't work at all |
| 01:05.53 | TCMAN | mspencer: the moment it gets touched by laser it would have to shine stronger :) |
| 01:06.07 | mspencer | headlights shine a lot don't they? :) |
| 01:06.09 | djr | and by that moment, it would be too late |
| 01:06.23 | mspencer | why does it have to wait until it sees the laser? |
| 01:06.37 | djr | because thats how lasers work... theyre instant and direct |
| 01:06.58 | djr | that would be like trying to read a cd before the laser actually touches the cd |
| 01:06.58 | djr | ;p |
| 01:06.59 | mspencer | What does that have to do with the CCD that reads the visible-light emissions from my car? |
| 01:07.33 | mspencer | It has to observe something and decode it. ;p |
| 01:07.40 | TCMAN | actually you need couple readings to see the difference of distance in time |
| 01:08.25 | TCMAN | your laser gun shines two beams, measures distance on object between them and then does it again little later |
| 01:08.38 | TCMAN | or maybe just size point of one beam |
| 01:08.46 | mspencer | right. I bet we can tamper with that distance measurement |
| 01:08.57 | TCMAN | basically its a laser rangefinder that does two measurements |
| 01:09.03 | treke | or we could just drive the speed limit |
| 01:09.19 | mspencer | or we could not squash interesting conversations other people are having :) |
| 01:09.27 | TCMAN | i dont know, my driving instructor actually TOLD ME to drive 5mph above speed limit |
| 01:09.55 | djr | treke: speed limits in california are pointless... coming from LAX, you can be doing 90mph and have 99.9% of the cars on the road pass you and honk at you... including old people |
| 01:10.00 | djr | when the speed limit is 65mph |
| 01:10.14 | treke | djr: I know what driving in california is like :) |
| 01:10.18 | djr | hehe |
| 01:10.19 | mspencer | just find a pack and stay with it :) |
| 01:10.31 | treke | djr: And driving away from LAX you're going to have a hell of a time going 90 :) |
| 01:10.48 | TCMAN | but there are planes over 280 and 101, so they can get everyone in the pack anyway :) |
| 01:11.08 | djr | depends on the time of the day... traffics either completely stopped or very fast |
| 01:11.11 | djr | never the speed limit |
| 01:11.19 | djr | finding a car doing the speed limit is like finding a needle in a haystack |
| 01:11.20 | djr | ehe |
| 01:11.29 | treke | djr: I only go by there on weekends afternoons |
| 01:12.00 | djr | i speed every time i get on the road... and ive never had a ticket in the last 5 years... im just good at watching out for cops and unmarked cop cars, hehe |
| 01:12.18 | djr | i did get pulled over once for doing 90mph in a 65mph but they let me go |
| 01:12.23 | djr | i also got pulled over once for no front license plate |
| 01:12.29 | treke | hehe yeah he was hiding in some trees where I'd never seen him before |
| 01:12.35 | TCMAN | huh, arnie is going to run for governor :) |
| 01:12.42 | treke | TCMAN: he announced he was? |
| 01:12.43 | djr | TCMAN: thats old news |
| 01:12.49 | mspencer | maybe we just need a "stopped warm car" detector :) |
| 01:12.53 | treke | last I heard, he want |
| 01:12.55 | treke | wasnt |
| 01:13.10 | TCMAN | its on cnn.com |
| 01:13.20 | treke | can you say reagan? :) |
| 01:13.33 | mspencer | then again, by the time you can see it you're probably already had. X__X |
| 01:13.34 | djr | id vote for arnold |
| 01:13.57 | TCMAN | i'd vote if i could, but slaves cannot :) |
| 01:13.59 | treke | djr: I probably would have gotten away with it if I hadnt slowed down |
| 01:14.02 | mspencer | "Ronald Reagan? The actor? Go back to your "1985" McFly!" |
| 01:14.08 | treke | but I had to get off the freeway to go to work :) |
| 01:14.59 | TCMAN | treke: hehe, so you were not only speeding but being chased ? :) |
| 01:15.26 | djr | i think there was one time i was doing 165mph and i passed a cop... cause i didnt have time to pay attention to the cars... and then later on when i slowed down... i saw a few cop cars merge on the freeway ahead of me with their lights on and they just kept driving on the freeway with their lights on and eventually they turned them off and got off the freeway |
| 01:15.28 | treke | TCMAN: Define being chased. I was getting off the freeway when he pulled up behind me. Couldnt just stop on the ramp :) |
| 01:15.31 | djr | hehe |
| 01:15.51 | djr | the police here usually always have you pull off the freeway anyway |
| 01:16.23 | TCMAN | treke: i got once pulled over and the cop was pissed i didnt stop on overpass/bridge :) |
| 01:16.36 | treke | ha |
| 01:16.45 | djr | TCMAN: thats cause he couldnt give you a ticket for that, too, then |
| 01:16.46 | djr | ;p |
| 01:16.51 | treke | hopefully the bill has arrived. Tired of waiting :) |
| 01:16.55 | TCMAN | treke: he said that when i see the light i should just stop, and fuck the rest :) |
| 01:17.21 | treke | TCMAN: he was obviously a moron |
| 01:17.29 | TCMAN | but i didnt got a ticket :) yay! |
| 01:17.38 | TCMAN | got=get |
| 01:17.41 | djr | i heard that if you overpay the speeding ticket... they send you back a check for the extra money... and if you jsut throw away that check and never cash it... then the ticket doesnt go on your record because its waiting for the check to be cashed |
| 01:18.13 | TCMAN | hehe, interesting |
| 01:22.04 | treke | what I hate is when the cop is behind you, he turns on his lights and sirens, and as soon as you start to pull over he takes off like a bat out of hell |
| 01:23.05 | djr | what i hate is when the cop pulls up behind you with his lights off... and is like 1" off you... and you change lanes... and he changes to your lane... and no matter what lane you change to, he changes to it too... |
| 01:23.13 | djr | then eventually he switches lanes and takes off |
| 01:23.13 | djr | hehe |
| 01:23.16 | djr | they like to fuck with you here |
| 01:23.21 | LamerX | they're running your plates prolly |
| 01:23.25 | TCMAN | hehe |
| 01:23.35 | TCMAN | just brake hard :) |
| 01:23.58 | djr | LamerX: nah, that was just them fuckin with me, hehe |
| 01:24.03 | LamerX | lol |
| 01:24.06 | djr | they can easily run the plates if they wanted to without doing that |
| 01:24.12 | LamerX | true |
| 01:24.19 | djr | TCMAN: yeah, would be their fault for 'failure to control their vehicle' |
| 01:24.39 | LamerX | they would write you up for something else i'm sure |
| 01:24.47 | LamerX | they are 'never' wrong |
| 01:25.12 | LamerX | like say you had taillights out to put half the fault on you |
| 01:25.41 | treke | more likely they'd just leave you alone over it |
| 01:25.51 | treke | although CHP are sadistic fucks |
| 01:26.18 | TCMAN | yeah, i came from country where you dont fuck with cops :) |
| 01:26.25 | treke | where is that? |
| 01:26.29 | djr | LamerX: dunno... taillights wouldnt be good proof if they hit me in the back... how can they verify busted taillights? ;p |
| 01:26.29 | TCMAN | i wouldnt ever try it but i can dream |
| 01:26.32 | TCMAN | poland |
| 01:27.40 | treke | the key to dealing with LAPD is to remember that they just dont give a shit |
| 01:28.36 | LamerX | hehe they don't have to verify thats the point :) |
| 01:28.51 | LamerX | i went to traffic court one time |
| 01:28.54 | djr | you could probably even park your car in the middle of a road at night... and all you'd get is a parking ticket |
| 01:28.57 | djr | even if someone hit it |
| 01:29.00 | djr | hehe |
| 01:29.06 | treke | djr: If that |
| 01:29.19 | treke | depending on the neighborhood |
| 01:30.12 | djr | well, forget where it was but some guy parked his car in the middle of the road (in a culdesac) because it was street sweeping day... so he gave it enough room to go by on both sides, hehe |
| 01:30.13 | LamerX | this kid got a ticket for "blue tinted headlights" and brought in his lights with the packaging and showed how the packaging said "DOT Approved". They were sylvania headlights, and the judge still nailed the kid |
| 01:30.17 | djr | and he got a parking ticket |
| 01:30.28 | LamerX | djr: LOL that is a good idea |
| 01:30.35 | LamerX | except the ticket part |
| 01:31.29 | LamerX | welp, gonna run to Circuit City and pick up a ambicom cf card! :) later y'all! |
| 01:33.50 | W8TVI | blue tinted headlights are stupid looking |
| 01:34.00 | W8TVI | and they are very head on your eyes |
| 01:34.21 | TCMAN | i hate people with too strong headlights |
| 01:34.33 | W8TVI | I like the REAL HID headights |
| 01:34.52 | W8TVI | I have 55/65w hedlights on my Jimmy |
| 01:36.52 | TCMAN | hehe, governement has to pay sco $699 for every linux copy :) |
| 01:37.06 | TCMAN | and we only have to pay $32 :) |
| 01:37.19 | TCMAN | lets just grab baseball bats and go to utah |
| 01:37.49 | W8TVI | screw them... I'm not paying |
| 01:38.14 | TCMAN | i am so frustrated that nobody is doing anything about it |
| 01:38.15 | djr | i just want to see someone shut down sco or overrule this shit |
| 01:39.30 | W8TVI | sence I use RH9, it seems to me that its redhats problem, not mine |
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| 01:40.37 | TCMAN | W8TVI: funny thing is they are going after end users :) like RIAA :) |
| 01:41.29 | W8TVI | they aren't stupid enough to go after the co's like redhat that would tell them to f-off |
| 01:41.47 | W8TVI | they know they have no case |
| 01:42.08 | W8TVI | they are hoping to extort money from people |
| 01:42.34 | TCMAN | exactly, isnt there any law against it ? |
| 01:42.51 | W8TVI | i whouldnt be suprised if the government tells them to go take a flying leap at the moon |
| 01:44.02 | TCMAN | and everyone named Scott now owes SCO $99 for embedded use of their name. |
| 01:44.11 | TCMAN | slashdot is sometimes funny |
| 01:44.36 | mspencer | sometimes it's (+5, Funny) |
| 01:47.27 | W8TVI | tomorow I'll have 4 systems running linux |
| 01:48.04 | mewyn | what the fuck |
| 01:48.13 | W8TVI | (thats when my SG20 will be here) |
| 01:48.22 | TCMAN | firewall, desktop (smp), notebook and z, damn i am bankrupt already |
| 01:48.57 | W8TVI | my z, desktop, firewall, and SG20 |
| 01:49.21 | TCMAN | SG20 ? |
| 01:49.54 | W8TVI | Toshiba Magnia SG20 |
| 01:53.42 | TCMAN | wow, 2k |
| 01:55.50 | W8TVI | 2k what? |
| 01:56.04 | TCMAN | has anyone hacked the tivo yet to run windows? :) |
| 01:56.05 | TCMAN | $2k |
| 01:56.32 | W8TVI | I got mine for $230 |
| 01:56.44 | W8TVI | thats including shipping |
| 01:56.50 | W8TVI | $30 shiping |
| 01:57.06 | W8TVI | it was shiped yesterday, abd it'll be her tomorow |
| 01:57.37 | W8TVI | and you can get them for new at a few places for $270... shipping extra |
| 01:57.42 | TCMAN | W8TVI: wow, its weird |
| 01:57.57 | TCMAN | some are $2k, some are $1300, and some are $200 |
| 01:58.06 | TCMAN | how is that possible ? |
| 01:58.07 | W8TVI | yep... |
| 01:58.14 | W8TVI | I think its the software |
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| 01:58.56 | TCMAN | what cpu does it have ? |
| 01:59.15 | W8TVI | intel celeron 566 |
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| 01:59.39 | TCMAN | can it be upgraded |
| 01:59.40 | TCMAN | ? |
| 01:59.49 | W8TVI | its better than what I'm using right now... |
| 01:59.53 | TCMAN | too bad it takes notebook drives |
| 02:00.03 | TCMAN | hmm maye i should get it for firewall |
| 02:00.08 | W8TVI | the chipset supports all the P3s |
| 02:00.21 | W8TVI | but I haven't seen if the CPU is socketed |
| 02:01.12 | W8TVI | its the size of a vcr |
| 02:01.23 | W8TVI | thats why they use laptop drives |
| 02:01.27 | TCMAN | it looks like it has high WAF |
| 02:01.47 | W8TVI | waf? |
| 02:02.09 | TCMAN | but my firewall is also file server with two 40GB drives in software raid 1 and direct connection to my desktop over 1gbit link |
| 02:02.14 | TCMAN | wife acceptance factor |
| 02:02.18 | W8TVI | lol |
| 02:03.24 | W8TVI | i'm using a mobo with the parts pluged into it, sitting on top of the monitor |
| 02:03.27 | W8TVI | no aes |
| 02:03.29 | W8TVI | case |
| 02:03.31 | TCMAN | hmm i wonder if it could run gentoo or slack |
| 02:03.52 | TCMAN | is it quiet ? |
| 02:04.53 | TCMAN | hmm, its $200 with hdd and cpu and memory |
| 02:05.00 | W8TVI | kergoth has one that he installed debian on it.. |
| 02:05.22 | W8TVI | it sound like its quiet... but I dont know... |
| 02:05.25 | W8TVI | dont have mine yet |
| 02:05.43 | TCMAN | does it have any vga port ? |
| 02:06.07 | W8TVI | not sure... thats what I'm tring to figure out |
| 02:06.23 | W8TVI | it has mouse and keyboard ports hidden |
| 02:07.04 | W8TVI | no it dont... the Sg10 does have it though |
| 02:07.15 | W8TVI | the sg10 has usb too |
| 02:07.24 | spu | anyone have one of the Zaurus 7xx series here? |
| 02:08.15 | mspencer | I have a C700...why? |
| 02:08.47 | TCMAN | hmm sg10 seem kinda expensive |
| 02:11.28 | ljp | I have a c700 on my desk |
| 02:14.23 | TCMAN | bye guys, i am going home |
| 02:14.33 | jroad | mspencer: did you get the libSDL installed ? |
| 02:15.20 | mspencer | yep, and played a little Doom. Very cool. Even the old cheat codes work :) |
| 02:15.38 | mspencer | trying to get Sam & Max moved over so I can try Scumm... |
| 02:15.45 | jroad | cool |
| 02:15.45 | spu | researching PDAs. |
| 02:15.51 | jroad | was doom upside down? |
| 02:15.56 | mspencer | yeah |
| 02:16.02 | mspencer | which made it lots of fun typing the cheat codes :) |
| 02:16.50 | W8TVI | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2745274101&category=11188 |
| 02:16.56 | W8TVI | need harddrive |
| 02:17.31 | W8TVI | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2746211766&category=11188 |
| 02:17.37 | W8TVI | with 40gb |
| 02:17.41 | W8TVI | sg10 |
| 02:17.48 | mspencer | and I thought it was pretty damned cool, when I got wolf3d working on my Agenda VR3. It was a mere shell of its former self. |
| 02:18.08 | mspencer | This Doom had decent performance (5 to 10 frames per second fullscreen) and more features than the original :) |
| 02:18.22 | jroad | yea i thought the performance was very good |
| 02:18.31 | jroad | how did you check fps? |
| 02:18.33 | spu | ljp: looking at getting one of the newer 7xx. what's your impression of it compared to other current pdas? (Axim/iPaq, etc.) |
| 02:18.52 | spu | battery life, durability, keyboard and input quality, etc. |
| 02:18.59 | mspencer | I've been converting and playing movies on my C700, so I had low expectations of the frame rate anyway. :) |
| 02:19.04 | jroad | spu: if you like linux type stuff 7x0 is really nice |
| 02:19.26 | mspencer | I've been playing movies and looking at the console-mode frames-per-second statistic...and then I just eyeballed Doom and thought it looked about like 5 to 10 fps :) |
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| 02:19.36 | spu | that's one of the attractions for me, being a linux developer... |
| 02:19.43 | jroad | mspencer: movies on 760 are great |
| 02:20.00 | mspencer | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=72903&cid=6567736 -- here's a great first-hand review of the C700. |
| 02:20.01 | spu | you can customize it out the wazoo ;-) |
| 02:20.02 | jroad | spu: the screen is vga which is awesome |
| 02:20.18 | mspencer | I wish I knew who the guy was who wrote that review. I'd like to shake his hand. Seems like a really swell *cough* *choke* OK, fine, it was me. :) |
| 02:20.24 | jroad | hey no self promotion!! |
| 02:20.27 | jroad | :D |
| 02:20.37 | mspencer | heh |
| 02:21.07 | mspencer | So far I'd have to say, compiling simple things works very well. |
| 02:21.21 | mspencer | I've been doing plain old ./configure and make on big software packages, and running into problems. |
| 02:21.49 | mspencer | GCC 2.95.1 won't compile any other versions of GCC, for internal compiler errors in crtstuff.c -- in all four GCC versions I tried to compile. |
| 02:21.55 | spu | the 5600 looks kind of flimsy, but I've never seen it personally... |
| 02:22.08 | mspencer | it wouldn't compile Nessus due to a linking problem I'm still tracking down... |
| 02:22.16 | jroad | what is Nessus? |
| 02:22.35 | mspencer | security scanner with lots of helpful hints for the holes it finds. nessus.org |
| 02:22.45 | jroad | oh cool |
| 02:23.04 | jroad | i need to get Kismet installed |
| 02:23.23 | mspencer | I had kismet working when I first got it, but just recently reinstalled it. It doesn't like my lan card now for some reason. |
| 02:25.22 | ljp | spu: well, I can only compare the c700 to the sl5000d |
| 02:25.22 | mspencer | sukoshi's new C700 kernel really kicks ass. I'm definitely seeing some performance increases, though I wouldn't say as improved as the benchmark scores he quoted... |
| 02:25.33 | ljp | and the screen on the c700 is incredible |
| 02:25.35 | mspencer | I can only compare the C700 to the Agenda VR3 :) |
| 02:25.56 | spu | the 5000 was a developer unit wasn't it? |
| 02:25.57 | mspencer | on full brightness, in a dark room when you're adjusted for night vision, it will hurt your eyes. :-) |
| 02:26.00 | jroad | as long as you don't need to use in sunlight its great |
| 02:26.15 | mspencer | yeah -- in full sunlight you can just barely see the screen. |
| 02:26.41 | ljp | ya, the 5000d was the one that short on memory |
| 02:27.21 | spu | the one drawback of the 7xx is you have to import it. I would feel like a idiot if I bought one then it was released domestically. |
| 02:27.27 | ljp | thats my one complaint about the c700. is the screen isnt reflective like the sl5xxx is |
| 02:27.48 | ljp | I think they will release a c750 or c760 |
| 02:27.59 | jroad | why do you think that? |
| 02:28.09 | jroad | do you know something? |
| 02:28.13 | ljp | theres a few hints in the kernel source about en c750 |
| 02:28.28 | ChipX86 | I sure hope so |
| 02:28.39 | ljp | ya, me too |
| 02:28.50 | jroad | ya it would benefit the community |
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| 02:30.27 | jroad | mspencer: can you test something out with pcboom? |
| 02:30.40 | mspencer | not now, trying to extract Sam & Max... |
| 02:30.49 | mspencer | but in a bit, sure. What? |
| 02:31.11 | jroad | well try this when get chance to change rotation... |
| 02:31.12 | jroad | export QT_SDL_INVERT_ROTATION=1 |
| 02:31.26 | jroad | or something similar |
| 02:32.03 | mspencer | similar? Like "set QT_SDL_INVERT_ROTATION=1; export QT_SDL_INVERT_ROTATION" ? :-) |
| 02:32.22 | jroad | meaning changing the # |
| 02:32.40 | mspencer | oh :) |
| 02:33.23 | mspencer | set to 1, still upside-down... |
| 02:33.31 | jroad | oh well |
| 02:33.39 | mspencer | try 2, 3, etc? |
| 02:33.47 | jroad | sure why not :D |
| 02:33.59 | mspencer | oh wait, I have to start Doom from the same shell I ran that export command from. Oops :) |
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| 02:36.43 | mspencer | OK, set to 1 correctly this time, still no effect |
| 02:37.06 | mspencer | thanks for trying though -- it'd be cool if you figured that out :) |
| 02:37.22 | jroad | thats what someone was using for the snes emu |
| 02:37.31 | jroad | for the 5x00, though |
| 02:37.34 | mspencer | so it makes sense... |
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| 02:46.28 | jroad | OT but does anyone know how to get the URL from babelfish? |
| 02:52.16 | jroad | mspencer: here is url you can feed to babelfish it is 700 SDL and talks of rotation maybe you can try: http://www.self-core.org/~kaoru-k/wiki/WelcomePage.html |
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| 02:53.24 | MobileZIM | hy |
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| 03:02.21 | TCMAN | hi |
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| 03:02.40 | W8TVI | wb TCMAN |
| 03:02.45 | W8TVI | hi ZIM |
| 03:07.49 | VampireZIM | hy' |
| 03:07.54 | VampireZIM | :) |
| 03:08.01 | VampireZIM | fucking IR sux ass |
| 03:08.03 | TCMAN | W8TVI: i have showed sg20 picture to my wife, she'll think about it :))) |
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| 03:08.48 | VampireZIM | fucking ping off already! |
| 03:09.11 | TCMAN | i never could exchange information via irda between my z and cassiopeia |
| 03:09.50 | VampireZIM | well its a fucking miracal if i can connect to my t68i for more than a couple seconds, move my machine a micron and i lose connection |
| 03:09.58 | jroad | my poor cassiopeia is dead (the 105) |
| 03:10.05 | VampireZIM | and BT support on Zaurus is why i am selling it |
| 03:10.11 | VampireZIM | TCMAN: want to buy it? :) |
| 03:10.11 | TCMAN | i have e105 and e115 |
| 03:10.34 | VampireZIM | heh, i bought E105 when it was released, great machine for the time |
| 03:10.36 | jroad | i think my battery needs to be replaced but it's like $50 |
| 03:11.02 | TCMAN | jroad: i bought one battery from casio for about $30 with shipping |
| 03:11.19 | jroad | oh? |
| 03:11.23 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: what are you selling? |
| 03:11.56 | TCMAN | jroad: cassiopeia has the best screen ever (indoors) |
| 03:12.08 | jroad | yes it is great |
| 03:12.18 | VampireZIM | TCMAN: i am selling my C700 |
| 03:12.34 | VampireZIM | to get, http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/ProductTour/computing/ux50/compact.html |
| 03:12.36 | VampireZIM | that |
| 03:12.56 | TCMAN | sony :) sweet design |
| 03:13.26 | VampireZIM | yea |
| 03:13.38 | VampireZIM | that thing lives for BT, turn it on and i am connected |
| 03:14.37 | VampireZIM | only problem, i hate Palm OS and its half the resolution of my C700 |
| 03:15.16 | VampireZIM | but that, my t68i and a bt headset replaces the fuctionality i had with my PocketPC Phone that i replaced |
| 03:16.48 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: what pocket pc phone did you have? siemens sx56 ? |
| 03:16.58 | VampireZIM | same one, but T-Mobile |
| 03:17.23 | TCMAN | uhh, c760 on ebay! |
| 03:17.38 | jroad | url plz |
| 03:17.58 | TCMAN | 3039741352 |
| 03:18.22 | VampireZIM | thats not a url |
| 03:18.42 | VampireZIM | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3039741352&category=38331 |
| 03:18.50 | TCMAN | its the most important part of the url :) |
| 03:19.28 | VampireZIM | thats odd, thats the second time that guy has posted it, last bidder must have backed out |
| 03:20.53 | jroad | last one sold for 610 |
| 03:21.00 | W8TVI | TCMAN: you can get an sg20 off of ebay for about $200 |
| 03:21.10 | VampireZIM | the last C700 sold for $455 |
| 03:21.11 | TCMAN | W8TVI: i know, i searched for it |
| 03:21.15 | VampireZIM | get it now for $400! |
| 03:21.29 | jroad | hmm his auction b4 that was for 751 |
| 03:21.31 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: i wish i could :) |
| 03:21.41 | W8TVI | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/magnia_sg10/ |
| 03:21.52 | VampireZIM | heh, mine comes with 128MB SD and tkcVideo and tkcAddressBook too |
| 03:21.59 | W8TVI | thats a goog place to find info on the sg10 ans sg20 |
| 03:23.03 | VampireZIM | thats not a pda |
| 03:23.15 | VampireZIM | wtf is that? |
| 03:23.30 | TCMAN | hmm, sg10 doesnt have pcmcia = no wifi :( |
| 03:23.39 | W8TVI | Toshiba Magnia SG20 |
| 03:23.42 | VampireZIM | blah, another pc with no slots |
| 03:23.50 | VampireZIM | why not get a laptop? |
| 03:23.55 | TCMAN | VampireZIM: its interesting for firewall |
| 03:24.08 | W8TVI | a laptop costs about 4 times as much |
| 03:24.17 | TCMAN | i have ugly white desktop pc box for my firewall now |
| 03:24.31 | TCMAN | and hopefully its less noisy too |
| 03:25.13 | W8TVI | I'll let you know tomorow |
| 03:26.11 | TCMAN | oh my, atari 800xl, 1050 and 1027 all in original boxes! |
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| 03:26.36 | [axelay] | i hope someone could possibly help |
| 03:27.15 | [axelay] | if anyones active |
| 03:27.41 | jroad | no one can help if you dont ask. |
| 03:28.08 | [axelay] | trying to flash my Z, the lights just stay on and nothing happens.....have let it go for about 40-50 minutes and nothing, flashing normally doesnt take this long |
| 03:28.33 | TCMAN | axelay: you have microdrive ? |
| 03:28.41 | [axelay] | nope. flash |
| 03:28.52 | jroad | is it plugged in? |
| 03:28.55 | [axelay] | yep |
| 03:28.58 | TCMAN | weird |
| 03:29.13 | TCMAN | and lights are on, not blinking ? |
| 03:29.16 | [axelay] | yep |
| 03:30.04 | TCMAN | have you tried other flash card? |
| 03:30.11 | TCMAN | did you flash from this card before ? |
| 03:30.12 | [axelay] | other flash card is ext2 |
| 03:30.18 | [axelay] | yes i have |
| 03:30.36 | TCMAN | maybe try the original sharp ospack |
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| 03:32.49 | TCMAN | what are you flashing? OZ? |
| 03:33.25 | [axelay] | afraid so |
| 03:35.33 | TCMAN | oz is quite safe because it doesnt overwrite bootblock |
| 03:36.13 | [axelay] | how long does the purchase warranty on the z last? |
| 03:36.27 | TCMAN | make sure you have both zImage and initrd.bin on the card |
| 03:36.29 | [axelay] | might need to send it in or something if it begins to upset me |
| 03:36.31 | [axelay] | i do |
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| 03:37.01 | TCMAN | you'll have to flash it back to original rom probably |
| 03:37.11 | [axelay] | if itll flash |
| 03:37.12 | TCMAN | for warranty |
| 03:37.47 | TCMAN | there is another way of flashing using some direct interface to cpu |
| 03:38.03 | [axelay] | hows that go |
| 03:38.05 | TCMAN | jtag interface or something |
| 03:38.31 | TCMAN | you would probably need some friend with this equipment though |
| 03:38.51 | [axelay] | lovely |
| 03:39.28 | TCMAN | its supposed to be quite common thing because its very popular debugging interface for embedded system |
| 03:39.39 | [axelay] | think im gonna cry or something |
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| 03:40.09 | TCMAN | just relax and remove all files form the flash card, check it for errors and try flashing ospack |
| 03:40.47 | TCMAN | maybe you didnt unmount or eject cf card after copying files |
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| 03:41.51 | TCMAN | most certainly its a problem with wetware :) |
| 03:42.22 | TCMAN | if LEDs are on it means that bootblock code works and starts flashing |
| 03:43.01 | [axelay] | quite possible, just really damn scarry |
| 03:43.21 | [axelay] | sorry for cussing if that isnt allowed |
| 03:43.36 | TCMAN | and JTAG interface for parallel port is $32 on ebay :) |
| 03:43.48 | [axelay] | might look into it |
| 03:46.03 | [axelay] | as it stands, ill have to wait till i get back to work cause i dont have a cf reader here =( |
| 03:50.49 | VampireZIM | finding a DD tonight is tough |
| 03:56.35 | W8TVI | brb |
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| 04:00.41 | raster | so where od i send my $32? |
| 04:00.42 | raster | :) |
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| 04:01.02 | jroad | i take visa and mastercard |
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| 04:05.45 | Matthew_I | ya think that if I took my cf card to a computer store they would copy the files I needed to flash to the card for me? |
| 04:05.57 | raster | jroad: :-P~ :) |
| 04:06.17 | raster | Matthew_I: what files? for what? |
| 04:07.09 | TCMAN | how about you just pick up cf reader there ? :))) |
| 04:08.12 | raster | Matthew_I: go splurge on $20 for a pcmcia cf reader.. go on! you know you can do it! |
| 04:08.13 | raster | :) |
| 04:08.41 | TCMAN | $20? why so much ? |
| 04:08.58 | TCMAN | i paid like $10 and $12 for mine |
| 04:09.06 | TCMAN | with shipping :) |
| 04:10.47 | raster | TCMAN: ok- yes. you can get them for that in $US. i was quoting $AUS :) |
| 04:22.04 | mspencer | Sweet! ScummVM works perfectly on the C700 :) |
| 04:24.41 | jroad | cool |
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| 04:25.30 | mspencer | http://lowprio.mspencer.net/s&m.mov -- digital camera movie of Sam & Max running on the C700. If anyone cares. :) |
| 04:25.43 | mspencer | no audio. And yes I picked that vague filename on purpose :) |
| 04:26.29 | jroad | cute :) |
| 04:28.03 | jroad | mspencer: i found url for different libSDL that may work better on 700 if you want to try |
| 04:30.51 | mspencer | sure |
| 04:31.26 | mspencer | hopefully with an input library that doesn't kill whichever terminal I use to start the libsdl program with :) |
| 04:31.48 | jroad | ok, its in japanese so you need babelfish |
| 04:31.54 | jroad | http://www.self-core.org/~kaoru-k/wiki/WelcomePage.html |
| 04:32.12 | jroad | follow link to linuxzaurus -> libSDL |
| 04:37.42 | mspencer | new version installed...testing... |
| 04:38.27 | mspencer | remind people to run ldconfig after uninstalling old and installing that one :) |
| 04:40.10 | mspencer | it worked! |
| 04:40.15 | jroad | awesome!! |
| 04:40.27 | jroad | did you use the rotation = 1?? |
| 04:40.27 | mspencer | I set that environment var to 1 (as you said before) and now it's right-side-up! :) |
| 04:40.43 | jroad | man i need to try this out |
| 04:41.04 | jroad | and write up a HOWTO as well i guess |
| 04:41.12 | jroad | unless you want :) |
| 04:41.21 | jroad | im linux newb |
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| 04:41.29 | rev | yoo |
| 04:41.37 | rev | ok |
| 04:41.44 | rev | i have this Lexar 128 MB SD card |
| 04:41.46 | rev | brand ass new |
| 04:41.49 | rev | and of course |
| 04:41.51 | rev | i can't trust the zaurus |
| 04:41.54 | rev | it screws it up[ |
| 04:41.56 | rev | so |
| 04:41.58 | jroad | mspencer: what is the ldconfig you had to do? |
| 04:41.58 | rev | i try to do a back up |
| 04:42.01 | rev | this is on my C760 |
| 04:42.15 | mspencer | just run ldconfig as root after installing :-) |
| 04:42.25 | rev | and half-way through the backup, it stops, a very vague dialog box saying there was an error; and now, all the data on the SD card is fucked up |
| 04:42.36 | jroad | i don't even know what ldconfig does :( |
| 04:42.50 | jroad | rev i think 128 is too small for 760 |
| 04:43.01 | rev | when i type ls in my /mnt/card/Documents/audio/x-mp3/ folder it literally listed for 20 minutes (andi t wasn't done- i stopped it) all sorts of rubbish and "can not read" shit |
| 04:43.03 | rev | so |
| 04:43.10 | rev | i tried to delete the folder with rm -fr |
| 04:43.13 | rev | no luck, same crapola basically |
| 04:43.20 | rev | so, how do i format the wohole card anew? |
| 04:43.23 | rev | i'd try mkfs |
| 04:43.32 | rev | but i've read shit that said you shouldn't reformat any CF or SD cards |
| 04:43.38 | Matthew_I | TCMAN: does it work with linux? |
| 04:43.39 | rev | that the zaurus screws them up, does the format wrong |
| 04:43.47 | rev | jroad: well, i have 2 128 MB SD cards |
| 04:43.49 | rev | i wish i had more of course |
| 04:43.54 | rev | but i had a $130 GC for officemax |
| 04:43.56 | rev | and bought them there |
| 04:44.07 | rev | and because officemax sucks a whole bucket of dicks, 128 MB is the biggest they have for SD |
| 04:44.42 | jroad | yea my dbk is 136MB |
| 04:44.47 | TCMAN | pcmcia - cf work as pcmcia harddisks |
| 04:44.49 | jroad | so no go on 128 |
| 04:44.56 | rev | dbk? |
| 04:45.03 | jroad | dbk = backup file |
| 04:45.06 | rev | i have a badass 2 GB PCMCIA HD |
| 04:45.07 | rev | but alas |
| 04:45.10 | rev | ahhhh |
| 04:45.13 | rev | wait |
| 04:45.16 | rev | hrmm |
| 04:45.19 | rev | it didn't say it was too big |
| 04:45.25 | rev | but i wonder if the zaurus is too retarded to tell |
| 04:45.32 | Matthew_I | TCMAN: hmm... if that store thing dosen't work then ill go for it |
| 04:45.32 | jroad | were you doing the NAND backup? |
| 04:45.34 | rev | although it said it was too big for the 8 MB cf card, heh |
| 04:45.36 | rev | NAND? |
| 04:45.45 | jroad | the DM trick stuff |
| 04:45.54 | rev | no clue what you're talking about |
| 04:45.58 | jroad | oh |
| 04:46.17 | jroad | its on externe forum all that |
| 04:47.02 | rev | is it some replacement backup? |
| 04:47.05 | rev | what also pissed me off |
| 04:47.14 | rev | is that i can't get a stock ROM to reflash it with in case of emergency |
| 04:47.22 | rev | that includes all the english stuff |
| 04:47.23 | jroad | NAND backup backus up *everything* |
| 04:47.31 | rev | they just said i had to make a back up and restore later if i had a problem |
| 04:47.32 | rev | but of course |
| 04:47.43 | rev | that was when i had a problem, not when i first got the unit |
| 04:47.49 | rev | so i'll never have a virgin install |
| 04:49.39 | rev | sorry |
| 04:49.41 | rev | :P |
| 04:49.45 | rev | oi |
| 04:54.03 | jroad | how did they decide on $32? I wonder how many meetings that took. |
| 04:55.05 | rev | $32? |
| 04:55.07 | rev | for what? |
| 04:55.18 | rev | but |
| 04:55.20 | rev | anyway |
| 04:55.22 | jroad | sco wants 32 for embedded linux |
| 04:55.31 | rev | my apologies for ranting about the inferior aspects of the zaurus |
| 04:55.31 | rev | but |
| 04:55.41 | rev | a) is it safe to reformat the SD card on my Zaurus? |
| 04:55.55 | rev | b) if so, are there any caveats? (does it break something else?) |
| 04:55.56 | ljp | yes |
| 04:56.13 | rev | and c) how do i do it safely, decreasing the chance of fucking something else up? |
| 04:56.30 | ljp | umount it first |
| 04:56.44 | rev | i guess i'd like it in FAT or whatever it came in- so that i could use it in a WinCE PDA if i had to, although that's quite unlikely. |
| 04:56.46 | rev | k |
| 04:57.21 | ljp | if you intend to install zaurus ipkgs on it, format it ext2, because vfat wont handle the symlinks some packages have |
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| 04:57.39 | ljp | if you just keep data on it, vfat is fine |
| 04:58.08 | rev | ooh, if it's formatted ext2 can i actually install apps on it?! |
| 04:58.14 | rev | does that work now without any precarious hacks? |
| 04:58.45 | ljp | yes, that works fine |
| 04:59.00 | rev | wow |
| 04:59.05 | rev | i'm positievly impressed :) |
| 04:59.23 | rev | i may do ext2 then- i have a second 128mb that's in the default vfat format now |
| 05:00.00 | jroad | rev is your desktop windows? |
| 05:00.43 | rev | no |
| 05:00.49 | rev | although i have access to one at work |
| 05:01.03 | jroad | oh just wondering if you used the sync software |
| 05:01.09 | rev | i have an older x86 linux machine but my primary is an ibook running OS X |
| 05:01.12 | rev | nope |
| 05:01.14 | jroad | it has backup / restore |
| 05:01.15 | rev | but i want to try it out |
| 05:01.18 | rev | ahh... does it? |
| 05:01.22 | rev | i'll try that |
| 05:01.27 | rev | it works directly from the desktop? |
| 05:01.30 | jroad | yes |
| 05:01.34 | rev | hrmm interesting |
| 05:01.39 | rev | what software did you install o nthe desk? |
| 05:01.43 | rev | the SL-5600 stuff? |
| 05:01.45 | jroad | use the 5500 sync sw |
| 05:01.48 | rev | or did you figure out the jp stuff |
| 05:01.48 | rev | ah ok |
| 05:01.55 | jroad | no jp at all |
| 05:02.06 | rev | ah cool |
| 05:02.10 | jroad | i wrote most of this on externe |
| 05:02.22 | jroad | in localisation |
| 05:02.34 | rev | ah cool |
| 05:02.45 | jroad | but the most complete backup is called nand backup |
| 05:03.03 | jroad | it backups up the ROM area as well |
| 05:03.21 | rev | ah cool |
| 05:03.22 | rev | sweet |
| 05:03.24 | rev | that is good |
| 05:03.30 | rev | can it restore the *whole* thing too? |
| 05:03.36 | jroad | yes |
| 05:03.36 | rev | i need to find someone just getting a C760 |
| 05:03.40 | jroad | but you need more than 128 |
| 05:03.40 | rev | and have them do such a backup |
| 05:03.43 | rev | that's fine |
| 05:03.50 | rev | er |
| 05:03.51 | rev | i mean |
| 05:03.57 | rev | can i backup via the network, or to the computer? |
| 05:03.58 | jroad | there is probably one posted IIRC |
| 05:03.59 | rev | via sync? |
| 05:04.01 | rev | ahh |
| 05:04.01 | rev | ok |
| 05:04.06 | rev | i'll check that out |
| 05:04.20 | jroad | NAND backup is only to/from card |
| 05:04.24 | rev | ah |
| 05:04.35 | jroad | sync backup sends data to windows comp |
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| 05:15.54 | rev | well |
| 05:15.56 | rev | good night |
| 05:16.16 | rev | ljp: you never told me how to do the actual format- |
| 05:16.30 | TCMAN | rev: mke2fs |
| 05:16.31 | rev | can i just do a mkfs.ext2 /dev/whatever? |
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| 05:16.49 | rev | do i need any special flags or args that will prevent it from hosing everything at a later date? |
| 05:16.55 | TCMAN | /dev/mmcda1 |
| 05:17.09 | TCMAN | rev: remember to mount it sync |
| 05:17.22 | rev | "mount it sync" |
| 05:17.25 | rev | ? |
| 05:18.19 | TCMAN | rev: look into /etc/fstab and make sure the there is no async flag for this device |
| 05:18.37 | rev | ah k |
| 05:20.38 | rev | actually |
| 05:20.42 | rev | "ah k" is bullshit |
| 05:20.47 | rev | what does an async flag look like? |
| 05:20.56 | rev | the line is: |
| 05:21.12 | rev | /dev/mmcdal /mnt/card auto noauto,owner 0 |
| 05:21.13 | rev | 0 |
| 05:25.05 | rev | k |
| 05:25.08 | rev | thanks for the insight |
| 05:25.11 | rev | it seems to have worked |
| 05:25.15 | rev | but i won't know until i copy some stuffs |
| 05:32.33 | rev | ok |
| 05:32.37 | rev | i imagine there's about a 0 chance of this |
| 05:32.49 | rev | but does anyone here know of an equivalent to Cmd/Alt-Tab for the Zaurus? |
| 05:32.54 | rev | for flipping between apps quick? |
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| 05:36.40 | rev | nighty |
| 05:39.46 | subdue | http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/8/6/105528.shtml |
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| 05:59.44 | ChipX86 | for those who were interested, qpe-gaim finally has a site up: http://qpe-gaim.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:59.49 | ChipX86 | no downloads yet |
| 06:09.31 | TCMAN | interesting |
| 06:10.13 | TCMAN | screenshots! |
| 06:11.45 | ljp | whats a screenshot? |
| 06:12.33 | TCMAN | there are screenshots at qpe-gaim website |
| 06:13.37 | djr | ChipX86: you on jabber right now? |
| 06:13.56 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 06:14.06 | ChipX86 | not from my PDA though |
| 06:14.18 | djr | just wondering cause i dont see you online |
| 06:14.40 | ChipX86 | what account? |
| 06:15.22 | djr | nvm |
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| 06:22.22 | ljp | whats a gaim? |
| 06:22.47 | TCMAN | instant messenger |
| 06:23.22 | TCMAN | i wonder if i should use it instead of ickle |
| 06:23.23 | ljp | whats that? |
| 06:23.36 | ljp | anything like instant soup? |
| 06:24.36 | TCMAN | yeah, its like email but in powder form |
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| 06:24.50 | TCMAN | you add water and you receive messages instantly :) |
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| 06:35.30 | ErikN | hi all |
| 06:35.41 | ErikN | where does addressbook store it's data? |
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| 06:39.56 | MobileZIM | hy |
| 06:43.26 | mspencer | Hmm...Scumm on C700 is a little annoying to actually play. You can't sweep the cursor around the screen watching for hotspots -- where you touch, it clicks. And you have to use tab to change actions, because you can't right-click a stylus. |
| 06:46.52 | TCMAN | thats the "beauty" of touchscreens :) |
| 06:47.17 | ErikN | Do you guys know where addressbook stores it's data? |
| 06:47.29 | mspencer | I don't use my addressbook...sorry... |
| 06:47.36 | TCMAN | /root/Documents/adressbook or something like that |
| 06:47.49 | mspencer | I did find you can do almost just as well, though, but just touching random stuff on the screen until someone reacts :) |
| 06:47.58 | mspencer | s/but/by/ |
| 06:55.41 | NeoTron | anyone want to buy a visor edge? visor deluxe? |
| 06:55.50 | NeoTron | (the latter with a foldable keyboard :-) |
| 06:56.11 | TCMAN | how about progear :) |
| 06:57.03 | TCMAN | who wants to buy sonicblue progear ? :)) |
| 07:12.51 | TCMAN | gaim is quite cool |
| 07:14.10 | W8TVI | not if you cant use it... |
| 07:14.23 | TCMAN | why cant you use it ? |
| 07:14.49 | W8TVI | cant get all the depnds |
| 07:14.53 | W8TVI | for the zaurus |
| 07:14.58 | TCMAN | ahh |
| 07:15.03 | ChipX86 | glib2 still causing problems? |
| 07:15.04 | TCMAN | emerge gaim :) |
| 07:16.01 | djr | hehe |
| 07:16.15 | djr | gentoo is gonna be switching to rpms later on, so bye emerge |
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| 07:17.20 | W8TVI | I cant find a copy that works |
| 07:18.30 | CAMCAM | Hi everyone. Whick card have you use to backup the SL-C760 NAND flash ? Of course, the Z don't like 128Mo CF card but it refuse also another 512Mo CF |
| 07:19.48 | TCMAN | brb |
| 07:20.15 | CAMCAM | When I use it in normal working mode (into QTopia) the 512Mo CF card work well. I try to format it into Linux and into Win2000 or make 2 smaller partitions but it haven't change anything |
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| 07:21.22 | TCMAN | re |
| 07:21.32 | TCMAN | now how do i edit menu in stupid gnome 2? |
| 07:23.32 | W8TVI | Samsung today announced what it claims is the world's fastest PDA processor, the ARM9-based S3C2440, clocked at 533MHz. |
| 07:23.37 | CAMCAM | The Z say that the card "couldn't be started"... For the 128 Sandisk and Danelec card, it say that there no enough space (what is normal) |
| 07:24.01 | CAMCAM | W8TVI: you got a link ? |
| 07:24.12 | W8TVI | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/31852.html |
| 07:27.02 | CAMCAM | W8TVI: Yes, great processor. I already see things about it before this article. It give you all that you need for a PDA. And if my memory is good, the USB is master (not only client) |
| 07:27.34 | W8TVI | cool |
| 07:28.07 | W8TVI | just slap on a mini usb connector and you got one cool pda |
| 07:28.32 | CAMCAM | W8TVI: Intel PXA are ARMV5. Samsung processor is ARMV9 (4 generation after) |
| 07:29.48 | W8TVI | I think the cpu in the sl-5500 is a armv4 |
| 07:30.16 | CAMCAM | Yes as it is a Intel Strong ARM |
| 07:30.55 | Masticator | it is not an arm V9 |
| 07:31.01 | Masticator | the current arm spec is armV6 |
| 07:31.24 | W8TVI | 206mhz is still lots faster than the DB 33mhz that was in my old pda |
| 07:31.27 | Masticator | it is an ARM9, which is arm v6 |
| 07:31.45 | Masticator | the model numbers dont correspond with the instruction set specs |
| 07:32.14 | Masticator | several PDAs use ARM9 |
| 07:32.22 | Masticator | like the new Garmin |
| 07:32.31 | Masticator | and the casios |
| 07:33.03 | CAMCAM | So why do they use this number on http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/31852.html and on http://www.arm.com/armtech/cpus?OpenDocument |
| 07:33.13 | CAMCAM | Marketing ? |
| 07:34.08 | CAMCAM | The last ARM processor spec should be ARMv11 |
| 07:36.44 | Masticator | no |
| 07:36.53 | Masticator | the chip is an ARM-11 |
| 07:36.59 | Masticator | the spec is ARM V6 |
| 07:37.17 | Masticator | ARM7, ARM9, ARM10 and ARM11 are chips |
| 07:37.34 | Masticator | ARV v4, v5, v6 are instruction set specifications |
| 07:37.49 | Masticator | the ARM11 is codenamed Jaguar |
| 07:37.51 | Masticator | its not out yet |
| 07:38.14 | Masticator | beyond the baseline chips you have the 3 "foundries" that can produce variants of the chips |
| 07:38.22 | Masticator | Motorola, Intel and Texas Instruments |
| 07:38.43 | Masticator | they can add proprietary extensions like TI adds OMAP and Intel adds graphics extensions |
| 07:39.08 | Masticator | below those guys are minor manufacturers that can take basic building blocks and produce a chip |
| 07:39.11 | Masticator | like Samsung |
| 07:39.14 | CAMCAM | Interesting! |
| 07:39.41 | Masticator | so for example, Samsung's chip is a buiding block derivative of the ARM926TEJ processor |
| 07:39.55 | Masticator | made from standard subcomponents |
| 07:40.01 | Masticator | but they have clocked it very high |
| 07:40.10 | Masticator | that chip is an ARM V6 |
| 07:40.19 | Masticator | the Intel XScale is ARM V5 |
| 07:40.21 | TCMAN | samsung had great technologies |
| 07:40.25 | TCMAN | they still make alphas |
| 07:40.28 | Masticator | the TI OMAP is ARM V6 |
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| 07:45.04 | CAMCAM | mspencer: have you done a NAND backup and if so what is the name of your card |
| 07:45.04 | VampireZIM | ibot; suck me |
| 07:45.05 | | VampireZIM: are you using Windows? |
| 07:45.05 | W8TVI | Michael Jackson 'speechless' on P2P jail bill http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/31872.html |
| 07:45.14 | VampireZIM | heh |
| 07:45.31 | Masticator | I have renewed respect for jacko now |
| 07:45.36 | Masticator | as nutty as he is |
| 07:45.50 | W8TVI | MIT says RIAA is legally challenged http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/31891.html |
| 07:45.52 | mspencer | "I could be Agent M!" |
| 07:46.18 | CAMCAM | I WANT TO BACK THE NAND FLASH !!! PLEASE HELP MEEEE !!!! |
| 07:46.21 | W8TVI | heh |
| 07:46.28 | W8TVI | NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:46.31 | W8TVI | :P |
| 07:46.37 | CAMCAM | ;( |
| 07:46.40 | W8TVI | aask nicely |
| 07:47.53 | CAMCAM | I would like to be able to backup the SL-C760 NAND flash. Is there a good guy that can give the name of a CF that work for this task. Thank in advance. (beter like this ?) |
| 07:48.03 | mspencer | oh yeah...I used a Lexar 128 MB SD card |
| 07:48.26 | W8TVI | much CAMCAM |
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| 07:48.33 | CAMCAM | 128 is not enough for D+M menu, is it? |
| 07:48.41 | mspencer | cam it's not your request, it's the time of night. Not too many people are here to answer your question. |
| 07:48.45 | mspencer | It is for mine -- I'm on a C700. |
| 07:48.57 | mspencer | You'd probably need a 256 MB SD or CF card. |
| 07:48.58 | CAMCAM | ;) |
| 07:49.31 | CAMCAM | mspencer: I have 2 * 128 and a 512Mo card. The last one is not reconized |
| 07:50.02 | ChipX86 | W8TVI: sorry about that.. box kind of had a disagreement with me about whether or not it wanted to stay up, and then fsck properly.. what'd I miss? :P |
| 07:50.22 | CAMCAM | And dor the first two, the Z complain that there isn't enough space |
| 07:51.05 | CAMCAM | W8TVI: Since for your support ;) |
| 07:51.22 | CAMCAM | W8TVI: thanks for your support ;) |
| 07:51.30 | mspencer | there we go, that's English :) |
| 07:51.36 | W8TVI | ChipX86: I cant find a copy of glib2 that doesn't want gcc1 |
| 07:51.39 | CAMCAM | :) |
| 07:52.12 | ChipX86 | W8TVI: that's very strange.. I can't figure out why it's doing that on your setup |
| 07:54.35 | W8TVI | I'm running oz 3.2 and opie 1 |
| 07:55.46 | W8TVI | werid... Konsole isn't giing me a CLI |
| 07:55.48 | ChipX86 | same |
| 07:55.49 | ChipX86 | hmm |
| 07:55.52 | W8TVI | but I can still ssh into it |
| 07:55.55 | ChipX86 | (same about the distro, not konsole) |
| 07:57.37 | W8TVI | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for libglib2.0-0: |
| 07:57.37 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:58.12 | W8TVI | I get that with all 3 copys |
| 07:58.31 | W8TVI | from testing, unstable |
| 07:58.35 | W8TVI | all 2 that is |
| 07:58.37 | W8TVI | lol |
| 07:59.06 | TCMAN | ChipX86: you are gaim developer right? |
| 07:59.10 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 07:59.41 | TCMAN | ChipX86: is it possible to make gaim change tray icon and window icons when new messages arrive ? |
| 08:00.01 | ChipX86 | for that, you'll have to talk to Robot101. He maintains that plugin |
| 08:00.28 | TCMAN | how about just window icons |
| 08:00.43 | TCMAN | and buddy list icon |
| 08:01.16 | TCMAN | i dont want windows to raise or and sound events |
| 08:01.31 | TCMAN | just changed icon until i raise the window to see the message |
| 08:02.51 | ChipX86 | you can turn off the sound events, and you should be able to turn off raising. If it still raises, it may be your window manager |
| 08:02.51 | W8TVI | well goodnight |
| 08:02.56 | ChipX86 | g'night |
| 08:10.49 | TCMAN | i have turned off rasing and sound events, i just want little visual notification |
| 08:12.16 | TCMAN | other than that gaim is great |
| 08:12.24 | TCMAN | i just unmerge ickle and gnomeicu |
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| 08:42.37 | Taekero | eep, could someone point me to the right place for help with usbdnet? i'm trying to get it to compile so i can get my zaurus networked, and the module breaks... kernel 2.4.20(-gentoo-r5) if anyone knows here |
| 08:53.30 | Taekero | ah, i found a patch for 2.4.20 |
| 08:53.39 | Taekero | we'll see if it work |
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| 09:29.00 | ChipX86 | I don't suppose anybody knows of the best way to create a composite of two QPixmaps |
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| 09:29.36 | hyro | hi. |
| 09:30.49 | hyro | i am trying to install kismet,but it has dependencies with libstdc.i use openzaurus 3.2.it is posible to install kismet on OZ3.2? |
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| 10:19.47 | Taekero | ahha! |
| 10:20.02 | Taekero | you use usbnet.o with the 5600 |
| 10:20.14 | Taekero | not usbdnet |
| 10:20.32 | Taekero | man, talk about easy to mix up, heh |
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| 10:32.04 | hyro | i am trying to install kismet,but it has dependencies with libstdc.i use openzaurus 3.2.it is posible to install kismet on OZ3.2? |
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| 12:29.03 | dlohin | hey |
| 12:29.15 | dlohin | how is the battery life on the zaurus 5600 |
| 12:29.36 | dlohin | If I am listening to oggs what time should I expect |
| 12:32.31 | HighNo | i don't have one but the answer still depends on which player you use, whether to turn off display, which medium you play files from... |
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| 12:32.47 | George- | bleh. |
| 12:32.50 | dlohin | b/c I had a 5500 |
| 12:32.57 | dlohin | and the battery life suck |
| 12:32.58 | dlohin | ed |
| 12:33.04 | dlohin | maybe 2 hours |
| 12:33.09 | George- | bleh |
| 12:33.12 | George- | I get 5 hours |
| 12:33.18 | George- | 5000D :) |
| 12:33.53 | George- | WOOOOOOT |
| 12:33.57 | George- | OPIE 1.0 RELEASED!?!?!?! |
| 12:33.58 | yeiazel | I get 3 hours, listening to ogg files |
| 12:34.00 | yeiazel | 5000d too |
| 12:34.08 | yeiazel | with a SD and a CF |
| 12:34.10 | HighNo | you play the wrong files then |
| 12:34.10 | HighNo | :) |
| 12:34.21 | dlohin | i guess so |
| 12:34.27 | yeiazel | George-: sure |
| 12:34.32 | dlohin | still my ipaq gets about 5 -6 hours |
| 12:35.02 | yeiazel | dlohin: with a SD memory card and a CF memory card plugged in, playing music non-stop ? |
| 12:35.27 | dlohin | yeah |
| 12:36.09 | HighNo | what ipaq is it? it has sd and cf at the same time? |
| 12:36.22 | George- | 1:23pm up 87 days, 20:08, 2 users, load average: 0.06, 0.08, 0.02 :)))) |
| 12:36.35 | dlohin | anyway |
| 12:36.51 | dlohin | I may get the 5600 is their any problems w/ the xscale |
| 12:36.56 | George- | HighNo: probably a H3[8/9]x0 with a CF sleeve |
| 12:37.07 | George- | dlohin: yes, the PXA-250 sucks |
| 12:37.14 | dlohin | oh great |
| 12:37.16 | dlohin | y |
| 12:37.25 | dlohin | I know the fsb |
| 12:37.28 | dlohin | is slow |
| 12:37.38 | dlohin | that is why I like the new ipaq 2215 |
| 12:37.45 | George- | Generally quite a bad architecture :) the SA1110 beats the PXA250 in a few operations |
| 12:37.55 | dlohin | 200 mhz fsb |
| 12:38.14 | dlohin | but the 5600 has a transflective display |
| 12:38.17 | George- | the 5000D has a 206MHz FSB |
| 12:38.27 | dlohin | does it? |
| 12:38.31 | George- | yes |
| 12:38.38 | George- | I think. |
| 12:38.55 | dlohin | it is 206 mhz I doubt the fsb is that high |
| 12:39.48 | George- | then again, I may be completely wrong :) |
| 12:39.53 | dlohin | anyway |
| 12:40.03 | dlohin | do some programs run slower still |
| 12:40.15 | dlohin | I thought that would have been worked out by now |
| 12:40.24 | George- | er, wait, memory bus speed is 103MHz, apparently |
| 12:40.30 | George- | so it's not 1:1 like I thought |
| 12:40.32 | George- | it's 2:1 |
| 12:40.46 | dlohin | the xscale is 4:1 |
| 12:40.56 | dlohin | the new pxa255 is 2:! |
| 12:41.28 | dlohin | I dunno what to do now |
| 12:41.34 | George- | the PXA255 isn't that new :) |
| 12:41.34 | dlohin | I had a zaurus |
| 12:41.39 | dlohin | yeah |
| 12:41.51 | dlohin | and I sold it b/c I won an ipaq |
| 12:41.58 | dlohin | now I am selling my ipaq |
| 12:42.03 | George- | It's intel's way of saying "we fucked up the pxa250" |
| 12:42.04 | dlohin | and want something else |
| 12:42.11 | dlohin | either the new ipaq 2215 |
| 12:42.15 | dlohin | or the zaurus |
| 12:42.25 | dlohin | 5600 |
| 12:42.39 | George- | get the C760 |
| 12:42.47 | dlohin | too much $ |
| 12:42.55 | yeiazel | errmmm |
| 12:43.06 | yeiazel | iPaqs are really expensive, yes |
| 12:43.20 | dlohin | the new one is 400 |
| 12:43.38 | dlohin | arent they 700 |
| 12:43.39 | dlohin | ? |
| 12:43.47 | dlohin | almost twice the price |
| 12:44.13 | yeiazel | is the new iPaq as powerful as a c760 ? |
| 12:44.30 | dlohin | 400 mhz pxa 255 |
| 12:44.59 | yeiazel | slots ? |
| 12:45.05 | yeiazel | sound chip |
| 12:45.07 | yeiazel | etc etc |
| 12:45.31 | dlohin | sd and cf |
| 12:45.44 | dlohin | sound -yes |
| 12:46.13 | George- | 640x480 screen? |
| 12:46.17 | George- | internal keyboard? |
| 12:46.22 | dlohin | no and no |
| 12:46.27 | George- | that sucks :P |
| 12:46.27 | HighNo | :) |
| 12:46.30 | yeiazel | the c760 sound chip is *really* good, y'know |
| 12:46.31 | HighNo | true |
| 12:46.52 | yeiazel | all ipaqs I've seen haven't a sound chip as good as zauruses ones |
| 12:47.56 | dlohin | the c760 is 800 bucks |
| 12:48.05 | dlohin | I can buy a laptop for that price |
| 12:48.15 | George- | I already have a laptop :) |
| 12:48.38 | George- | albeit a really bad one |
| 12:49.15 | yeiazel | George-: oh, you have a laptop ? |
| 12:49.17 | yeiazel | u sure ? |
| 12:49.21 | yeiazel | they gave it back ? |
| 12:49.23 | yeiazel | it works ? |
| 12:49.38 | dlohin | I dunno |
| 12:49.47 | dlohin | the c70x is nice |
| 12:49.54 | dlohin | but I dont have that kinda money |
| 12:51.21 | George- | yeiazel: yeh, apparently :) |
| 12:51.28 | George- | yeiazel: I stuffed a 80GB hdd in it now :) |
| 12:51.41 | George- | yeiazel: *may* upgrade to DVD burner if I can get the money |
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| 12:57.32 | dlohin | anyone have a 5600 |
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| 13:06.39 | tux_mike | god damn, this is insane |
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| 13:31.48 | z | is it possible to install opie apps on theKompany rom and also what do i need to get Nmap working on theKompany rom |
| 13:32.03 | kyngel | You have to install the opie libs if you want to run the opie apps, I think. |
| 13:32.33 | kyngel | And nmap seems to be installed by default on mine. |
| 13:34.23 | z | im using the 5600 |
| 13:36.26 | z | is it possible to change the installer prog so it displays the contents of the ipk |
| 13:37.30 | HighNo | i think it already does if you keep the stylus pressed on an ipk |
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| 13:49.57 | kyngel | No idea. |
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| 13:54.05 | kyngel | Morning. |
| 13:55.13 | absentia | morn' |
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| 14:37.03 | absentia | meme alert. |
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| 15:16.38 | giuppi | anyone with a bluetooth connection working ? is it necessary to know the pin of the phone when doing rfconnect <dev> <address> ? |
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| 15:52.24 | djr | where does the kernel boot from? |
| 15:55.58 | toolafial | what do you mean? it boots from the internal flash memory |
| 15:56.18 | toolafial | or are you looking for more specifics |
| 15:56.23 | toolafial | like location etc |
| 15:57.01 | djr | yeah |
| 15:57.15 | djr | theres nothing in /boot |
| 15:57.18 | djr | so... ? |
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| 16:04.00 | rev|lib | yooo |
| 16:06.27 | bipolar | Has anyone here ever gotten Zaurus parts (internal parts for repair) from sharp? |
| 16:10.01 | VampireZIM | my C700 has sharp parts in it |
| 16:10.03 | VampireZIM | :) |
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| 16:18.15 | darius_ | where could I find software to sync my zaurus on a linux box? |
| 16:25.16 | George- | rtfm. |
| 16:28.37 | rsebis | lol classic! |
| 16:29.03 | George- | ? |
| 16:30.40 | George- | it's just that it's documented on every fucking zaurus site there is... |
| 16:31.26 | darius_ | yeah, I got a long list of zaurus sites with my unit.. |
| 16:31.53 | darius_ | I looked for something on freshmeat and sourcefource .. just found sync scripts |
| 16:32.08 | darius_ | but nothing to establish some type of connection |
| 16:32.26 | darius_ | I also looked on Sharp's site |
| 16:33.39 | jroad | darius i sync to windows, not sure of support for linux; search on www.zaurus.com/dev/board/ to see what others doing |
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| 17:20.32 | bipolar | darius_: google for Kitchensync |
| 17:20.41 | bipolar | darius_: if you're running KDE. |
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| 17:27.08 | ErikN | Do you guys know where addressbook stores it's data? |
| 17:27.29 | ErikN | or more specifically which file? |
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| 17:45.47 | rev|lib | in what ROM? |
| 17:45.56 | rev|lib | using XML or DTM for storage? |
| 17:46.33 | ErikN | 3.10 XML |
| 17:46.51 | treke | 3.10 uses DTM |
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| 17:47.22 | ErikN | what is dtm? |
| 17:47.34 | treke | sharp's data storage library |
| 17:48.00 | ErikN | is there anyway to import an older xml file? |
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| 18:28.12 | [iago] | is there any way to connect the zaurus to evolution? |
| 18:31.04 | phoen][x | there is no really nice way |
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| 18:33.25 | ErikN | is there any way to remove the horrible delay when the zaurus screen saver is running and you press or tap the screen? The device sits there for a few min before responding |
| 18:34.09 | phoen][x | it does? what are you using? i never encountered that particular problem and i tested quite a few roms |
| 18:35.15 | ErikN | 3.10 |
| 18:35.46 | ErikN | I've got a buffalo wifi card in the device as well... originally I thought it had something to do with the wifi card falling asleep - but that isnt the case |
| 18:35.51 | phoen][x | been there, used that. didnt encounter that problem |
| 18:36.03 | phoen][x | i do have the same card |
| 18:36.30 | ErikN | how about having the wifi info tab thing give you the wrong IP after about 15 min? |
| 18:37.03 | phoen][x | honestly, i never checked the info tab because i use static addresses |
| 18:37.16 | [axelay]snooze | argh |
| 18:37.45 | [axelay] | sharp support: "you're bootloader is probably corrupt" |
| 18:38.54 | phoen][x | you dreamed that? |
| 18:39.07 | [axelay] | heh, i wish i had |
| 18:39.24 | [axelay] | my Z is now an expensive paperweight |
| 18:39.46 | ChipX86 | [axelay]: that sucks :( |
| 18:39.53 | [axelay] | indeed |
| 18:40.01 | phoen][x | from what i know, the OSPACK stuff overwrites the bootloader |
| 18:40.03 | [axelay] | guy did say that they would fix it |
| 18:40.08 | cdm | [axelay]: Won't even recover with the C+D keyhold on reset? |
| 18:40.12 | [axelay] | nope |
| 18:40.23 | phoen][x | so you could simply reflash it with a sharp-rom, no? |
| 18:40.28 | [axelay] | wont take a flash, just sits there with the lights on forever |
| 18:40.42 | [axelay] | let it sit for 1.5hours |
| 18:40.57 | phoen][x | fsck |
| 18:40.59 | kyngel | Try leaving it overnight... I heard someone mention that they had it take seemingly forever. |
| 18:41.02 | phoen][x | thats annoying |
| 18:41.34 | [axelay] | yep, i kinda need it and stuff |
| 18:41.47 | [axelay] | guess ill send it in |
| 18:41.52 | phoen][x | well you can sell it on ebay and get a c700 :) |
| 18:41.57 | [axelay] | haha |
| 18:41.58 | phoen][x | how expensive is the repair? |
| 18:42.16 | [axelay] | guy said it wouldnt cost me anything, thing is less than 3 months old |
| 18:42.48 | [axelay] | will have to fork over for shipping though |
| 18:43.21 | phoen][x | how did it happen? lost current when flashing something? |
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| 18:44.03 | [axelay] | nope, i had it running and stuff, went to flash it and this happened |
| 18:45.47 | [axelay] | kyngel: feels like it takes forever letting it sit for hours, after 40 minutes you begin to worry |
| 18:45.51 | [axelay] | a lot |
| 18:49.09 | kyngel | Fortunately, I've never had it happen. |
| 18:49.36 | phoen][x | me neither. and i flashed it a dozen times. |
| 18:49.59 | [iago] | anyone here used/tried multisync? |
| 18:50.51 | treke | yes |
| 18:51.17 | [iago] | treke: what did you think about the zaurus/opie plugin? |
| 18:51.41 | treke | works as well as anything. |
| 18:54.32 | kyngel | I've flashed a lot more than a dozen. :) |
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| 19:20.26 | kyngel | Huh... this is really odd. |
| 19:20.37 | kyngel | I've been bringing my Kodak 6-in-1 card reader to work... |
| 19:20.55 | kyngel | Anyway, I'm leaving at the end of the month, so my boss and I went to Wal-mart and picked up 3 more, same brand, same model. |
| 19:21.18 | kyngel | And would you believe it, the newer firmware in the things won't let me mount a CF card on Linux. |
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| 19:47.52 | ChipX86 | wonderful. My Z is stuck on "Booting" and a hard reset isn't changing that |
| 19:50.42 | kyngel | OZ3.2? |
| 19:50.46 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 19:50.48 | ChipX86 | with OPIE 1.0 |
| 19:50.58 | kyngel | I had that problem once when I let the internal storage get down under 16K. |
| 19:51.02 | ChipX86 | is there any chance it's just doing a fsck and not telling me? :P |
| 19:51.04 | kyngel | (Accidentally, but still). |
| 19:51.34 | kyngel | What CF/SD card readers do you guys use? |
| 19:51.44 | kyngel | That work under Linux, that is. |
| 19:51.55 | rev|lib | umm |
| 19:52.01 | rev|lib | my Zaurus is my CF and SD card reader |
| 19:52.13 | yeiazel | I use a CF-PCMCIA adapter |
| 19:52.34 | kyngel | Only reason is that I have to return three of 'em now for an utterly stupid reason. :) |
| 19:52.35 | stew_b | just bought a Cruzer for SD - works fine |
| 19:53.01 | kyngel | How much, Stew? |
| 19:53.56 | stew_b | $79 with a 256MB SD card included |
| 19:54.49 | kyngel | Hm. |
| 20:04.10 | fliplap | i need a cf-sd adapter |
| 20:11.36 | kyngel | Well, don't buy the Kodak one, then. |
| 20:13.08 | fliplap | why's that? |
| 20:13.23 | fliplap | it shouldnt require any special drivers or anything |
| 20:13.43 | kyngel | No, it shouldn't. The old one I have worked. |
| 20:13.49 | kyngel | By old, I mean a month and a half ago. |
| 20:13.56 | kyngel | No drivers or anything. |
| 20:14.08 | kyngel | We picked up three of them today, no change in packaging or appearance or anything. |
| 20:14.14 | kyngel | No worky under Linux. |
| 20:14.32 | kyngel | I checked the firmware version, and the newer ones (1.25) don't work, while the 1.19 one is fine. |
| 20:14.48 | kyngel | So in the absence of a way to tell the difference, I'd say hold off. |
| 20:15.37 | kyngel | Even though the $25 price tag is right. |
| 20:15.50 | kyngel | We might trade them in for Lexar readers, I'll see if those work. |
| 20:18.12 | cdm | can't get mine anymore. |
| 20:18.28 | kyngel | Any other ideas for getting the Kodak one working? When I do try to mount, it just consistently says 'no media found'. |
| 20:18.35 | kyngel | For both CF and SD slots. |
| 20:20.18 | fliplap | oh, i meant i need a sd to cf adapter. So i can use my 256meg sd card in my CF camera |
| 20:21.40 | kyngel | Ohhhh. |
| 20:21.47 | kyngel | Sorry ,can't help there. |
| 20:21.51 | fliplap | heh |
| 20:22.10 | fliplap | but more importantly |
| 20:22.12 | fliplap | i need lunch |
| 20:26.02 | cdm | fliplap: does such a thing exist? |
| 20:28.00 | fliplap | yes |
| 20:28.04 | fliplap | PNY makes one |
| 20:34.22 | Neo|Work | dammit, SCO are morons |
| 20:34.40 | ChipX86 | yep. Try calling them. It's fun to see how far they won't let you get |
| 20:34.43 | Neo|Work | now they want $32 for each embedded device running Linux (thin Zaurus, think Tivo, think a whole lot of other stuff) |
| 20:35.05 | yeiazel | LOL |
| 20:35.52 | Neo|Work | For crying out loud, will someone go ahead and blow them of the fucking planet, please |
| 20:37.39 | George- | Neo|Work: uh, are they even more fucking stupid than I thought? |
| 20:37.58 | ChipX86 | I love how they're telling the government to pay up |
| 20:38.01 | ChipX86 | without offering any evidence |
| 20:38.40 | George- | I like how they're only giving evidence out over NDA :) |
| 20:39.21 | ChipX86 | they'll never work in IT again. They're going to have to become SCO Hamburgers & Fries Corp. |
| 20:40.03 | George- | ChipX86: hahahahaha |
| 20:41.07 | jroad | Then they can sue McDonald's for cooking hamburgers and fry's |
| 20:41.12 | Neo|Work | childish perhaps but satisfying |
| 20:41.44 | ChipX86 | I tried calling them 3 times. Each time, they wanted my name and number (of course), and kept saying they didn't have much info on this and I'd have to talk to the department that specializes in that |
| 20:41.44 | Neo|Work | they are being investigated by SEC and something else I think |
| 20:42.12 | jroad | ask them how they came up with $32 |
| 20:42.18 | ChipX86 | but no matter what you say or do, you can't get to that mythical department. You can only reach it through them, and when I finally got them to put me on hold, I heard the sound of a phone being picked up and placed back on the receiver 10 mins later.. *click* |
| 20:44.29 | Neo|Work | "We'll be happy to show [agencies] proof, providing they sign a nondisclosure agreement," Stowell said. |
| 20:45.15 | LamerX | okay wtf is up with a NDA when the code is supposedly already open? |
| 20:45.24 | LamerX | i can download it from kernel.org |
| 20:45.48 | ChipX86 | I think the CEO lost a bet. You know those rich corporate types. |
| 20:45.52 | jroad | how can they sue when they released their own version of linux under GPL? |
| 20:45.58 | jroad | it's all bs |
| 20:46.35 | LamerX | yep, i wish that the courts would quit dinking around, its wasting everyones time |
| 20:46.41 | Neo|Work | I don't understand how they can keep blurting out these accusations and require licensing fees and crap without an ounce of evicende |
| 20:46.50 | cdm | please, the NDA is to cover the information on what code is tainted. It's so that more and more people will use the tainted code up until the last possible moment so they can get more money. |
| 20:47.03 | LamerX | lol |
| 20:47.30 | cdm | which is good business sense if they think they will win. |
| 20:47.36 | Neo|Work | What they are doing is normally called "pump and dump" |
| 20:47.37 | Neo|Work | :) |
| 20:47.51 | jroad | yes indeed |
| 20:48.00 | LamerX | yeah but if they lose those fuckers should go to jail and pay some huge ass fines that will hurt them financially |
| 20:48.11 | jroad | now with ibm suing maybe the execs will short their own stock |
| 20:48.31 | LamerX | but since they're protected under a "corporation" nothing will happen to them |
| 20:48.40 | cdm | LamerX: that isn't true. |
| 20:48.50 | LamerX | no? |
| 20:48.56 | Neo|Work | "In its 45-page complaint, IBM claims SCO Group's products violate four IBM patents and claims SCO Group doesn't have the right to revoke IBM's Unix license. " |
| 20:48.58 | Neo|Work | that is funny |
| 20:49.06 | cdm | LamerX: the CEO of a company is still liable to the share holders if they misused thier company. |
| 20:49.07 | treke | LamerX: people go to jail when corporate officers break laws to a suffiecient degree :) |
| 20:49.22 | Neo|Work | LamerX: not true |
| 20:49.25 | jroad | yeah look at enron |
| 20:49.28 | jroad | oh, nevermeind |
| 20:49.28 | LamerX | did the enron execs go to jail? |
| 20:49.37 | cdm | so the share holders can sue them. |
| 20:49.44 | jroad | pfft |
| 20:49.45 | Neo|Work | insider trading -> personal "ouch", and another investigation thing would put them behind bars |
| 20:50.05 | LamerX | they can't sue if they have no money because the stock price fell to nothing though |
| 20:50.16 | jroad | You know its kinda scare about IBM's patent suits |
| 20:50.22 | cdm | LamerX: not the company, the CEO. |
| 20:50.28 | kyngel | LamerX: Nope, not a one of them. |
| 20:50.33 | Neo|Work | `` the DOJ may be considering investigating and filing a RICO suit against them over the little "licensing" announcement. '' |
| 20:50.37 | Neo|Work | to quote a friend of mine |
| 20:51.07 | cdm | jroad: oh yeah, if IBM wanted to be the only Linux person in the world they could easily out patent everyone. |
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| 20:51.11 | LamerX | well does anyone know how many lines of code it is that has supposedly been 'stolen'? |
| 20:51.22 | George- | SCO were going under anyway. |
| 20:51.23 | cdm | LamerX: the only people that do can't talk. |
| 20:51.33 | LamerX | damn |
| 20:51.36 | kyngel | LamerX: Kenneth Lay, Enron CEO, recently had to sell one of his THREE properties in Aspen. That's about as rough as life has gotten for him. |
| 20:51.37 | jroad | cdm: yes its scary what harm they could do |
| 20:51.56 | cdm | jroad: yep. And you know they will do it eventually too, if it suits them. Look at java. |
| 20:52.14 | Neo|Work | LamerX: they claim "hundreds of files" |
| 20:52.39 | LamerX | kyngel: thats whats gonna happen to the guys at SCO |
| 20:52.55 | jroad | i thought it was just part of the kernel, originally anyway |
| 20:53.11 | LamerX | NeoTron: they are so full of it |
| 20:53.19 | treke | <sco> hundreds of files that end in .txt |
| 20:53.23 | LamerX | lol |
| 20:54.12 | cdm | I am also sure there are many other companies waiting in the wings to see how well this turns out for SCO to file thier own patent infringement cases. |
| 20:54.18 | jroad | well, since they released Linux under GPL they will have hard time proving anything |
| 20:54.35 | jroad | but, i think this will be first time GPL is tested under court |
| 20:54.38 | Neo|Work | jroad: no |
| 20:54.42 | toolafial | There is definatly more to this case than meets the eye |
| 20:54.44 | cdm | GPL has nothing to do with anything. |
| 20:54.54 | jroad | how so? |
| 20:55.02 | cdm | It doesn't matter. |
| 20:55.07 | cdm | just like the code in the BSD kernels. |
| 20:55.14 | kyngel | Anyway, did you guys read the countersuit from IBM? |
| 20:55.21 | Neo|Work | jroad: if they didn't know what the source was, releasing it doesn't make they released it under GPL |
| 20:55.26 | toolafial | but, the GPL is part of IBM's documents |
| 20:55.57 | jroad | "IBM argues in the counterclaims that SCO is prohibited from treating any code it distributed under the GPL as proprietary and that its current plan to require Linux users to pay isn't legal. " |
| 20:55.58 | kyngel | Alleging that Novell disputed SCO's right to screw with AIX patents four days before SCO actually did mess with AIX patents? |
| 20:55.59 | LamerX | Neo|Work: They should have reviewed the code before they released it |
| 20:56.26 | Neo|Work | they were caldera before SCO |
| 20:56.28 | jroad | "By distributing products under the GPL, SCO agreed, among other things, not to assert--indeed, it is prohibited from asserting--certain proprietary rights (such as the right to collect license fees) over any source code distributed under the terms of the GPL |
| 20:56.33 | Neo|Work | and released it before they had "unix' so to speak |
| 20:56.47 | cdm | jroad: Actually, they can. |
| 20:56.51 | LamerX | hmm |
| 20:56.57 | jroad | well, not according to ibm |
| 20:57.04 | cdm | but they in turn give up the right to distribute it anymore, forever. |
| 20:57.08 | cdm | that is what the GPL says. |
| 20:57.51 | jroad | in any case the article says gpl has never been tested in court |
| 20:57.59 | cdm | jroad: it's true, it has not. |
| 20:58.01 | kyngel | It has once, but the trial was settled out of court, jroad. |
| 20:58.03 | jroad | so no legal precedent |
| 20:58.05 | cdm | closest was when Becker took on BeOS. |
| 20:58.13 | jroad | ic |
| 20:58.18 | cdm | which was utter bullshit, but Becker came out on top. |
| 20:58.54 | jroad | well no way sco can compete with ibm legal team |
| 20:59.07 | kyngel | Yeah, their stock is already tanking. |
| 20:59.14 | jroad | but, you gotta admit, they're going out with a BANG! |
| 20:59.29 | kyngel | Yeah, doing a BANG-up job of stealing investor money. |
| 20:59.29 | jroad | guns blazing, screaming |
| 20:59.49 | jroad | yea same old story, sadly |
| 21:02.15 | treke | jroad: SCO's argument ( which I think is semi valid) is that the code was put in there without their knowledge or consent |
| 21:02.25 | fliplap | ooo, are we still slamming sco, i wanna join in |
| 21:02.54 | cdm | treke: exactly. |
| 21:03.01 | fliplap | i wonder who will buy up the unix IP when sco goes bankrupt |
| 21:03.07 | fliplap | i'd laugh if it was IBM |
| 21:03.30 | ChipX86 | what?! you mean you don't think SCO will win this? |
| 21:03.34 | jroad | m$ |
| 21:03.36 | fliplap | "Buyout, pft. We'll just litigate you into bankruptcy and buy it cheap" |
| 21:04.03 | treke | jroad: So the code was illegally distributed to you without a license to use, and they are now allowing you to keep using it for 700 bucks |
| 21:04.31 | fliplap | treke: but i have a license |
| 21:04.31 | jroad | yea so it seems |
| 21:04.47 | fliplap | treke: its the GPL |
| 21:04.48 | absentia | hey flip... |
| 21:04.51 | absentia | ok, sushi time |
| 21:05.21 | treke | fliplap: Your missing the point. The code was never put under the GPL by someone with the right to, according to SCO |
| 21:05.47 | fliplap | treke: i thought we deterimed that sco was full of crap |
| 21:05.58 | treke | fliplap: probably. |
| 21:06.14 | fliplap | so sco never distributed a 2.4 kernel? |
| 21:06.17 | cdm | what is SCO's ticker? |
| 21:06.32 | treke | but the arguement that it's gpl doesnt work if SCO is telling the truth |
| 21:07.00 | jroad | SCOX |
| 21:07.23 | jroad | check out the chart |
| 21:07.24 | treke | fliplap: They did, but the theory is that they were unaware that their code was in the 2.4 kernel |
| 21:07.25 | jroad | http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SCOX&d=t |
| 21:07.37 | kyngel | Yeah, check out the sharp dip. :) |
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| 21:07.57 | jroad | it skyrockets with the licensing crap |
| 21:08.17 | ChipX86 | zoom in. It crashes with the lawsuits |
| 21:08.32 | fliplap | treke: man, i wish "i didn't look" was always an excuse |
| 21:08.38 | kyngel | Well, the RH suit left a dent. The IBM one nailed them. |
| 21:09.06 | kyngel | 11% in one day is a lot. |
| 21:09.09 | jroad | In march, it was under $1!! now it's at $11 |
| 21:09.19 | fliplap | treke: if sco wins this i'm gonna go hit mcbride with my car and use that excuse |
| 21:09.33 | jroad | jesus its been very profitable for them |
| 21:09.35 | treke | fliplap: That would be negligence :) This is more reasonable |
| 21:09.43 | kyngel | That |
| 21:09.49 | kyngel | That'd be the point, jroad. |
| 21:09.56 | kyngel | Notice how many SCO execs have sold their stock. |
| 21:10.01 | jroad | yes |
| 21:10.08 | jroad | i didnt realize how much it shot up |
| 21:10.21 | fliplap | well yeah, its pretty obvious this is like an extended pump and dump |
| 21:10.27 | jroad | 10 times in 3 months! |
| 21:10.29 | oGMo | yeah... i can't wait til the SEC starts throwing people in jail |
| 21:10.41 | treke | hehe :) |
| 21:10.48 | jroad | you know how rare that is...a tenbagger |
| 21:11.16 | jroad | with nothing but idle threats |
| 21:13.24 | jroad | it's like a mini internet bubble all over again |
| 21:14.03 | George- | sugar quote scox |
| 21:14.04 | Sugar | George-: SCOX @ 4:00pm: 11.03 (-0.97 -8.08%) Bid: n/a Ask: n/a |
| 21:14.07 | fliplap | i dunno, i think this is far more confusing |
| 21:17.55 | jroad | If you have any questions regarding this matter, please contact SCO, toll free, at 1 (800) 726-8649. |
| 21:18.16 | jroad | give em a call fliplap |
| 21:18.23 | cdm | it will be interesting to see thier quartly. |
| 21:18.39 | cdm | last one they actually had a profit. |
| 21:20.08 | cdm | 15-20 years ago IBM was "the evil empire". |
| 21:20.10 | LamerX | that phone number takes you to an endless phone menu maze |
| 21:20.30 | jroad | haha, thats awesome |
| 21:20.33 | jroad | i think i'll call |
| 21:20.50 | LamerX | IBM still is evil, they are shipping 8000(?) jobs overseas? |
| 21:21.19 | ErikN | LamerX: MS will be outsourcing a ton in the next year or so... 8k isnt much |
| 21:21.39 | LamerX | MS is doing it too? |
| 21:21.44 | LamerX | jesus |
| 21:21.50 | fliplap | ibm is evil, sun is evil, dell is mega evil |
| 21:21.50 | ErikN | LamerX: MS has been since 98 |
| 21:21.55 | LamerX | is our economy just going to go to shit or what? |
| 21:22.04 | George- | what about apple? |
| 21:22.05 | George- | :P |
| 21:22.11 | fliplap | apple is evil |
| 21:22.13 | LamerX | apple is fruity |
| 21:22.17 | ErikN | LamerX: the only way MS shows a prophit without jacking prices higher is getting mcdonalds wages... |
| 21:22.20 | George- | no, apple is definitely evil. |
| 21:22.24 | George- | Hostname: titanium - OS: Linux 2.4.21-ben2/ppc - CPU: Motorola PowerPC G4 7450, altivec supported (667MHz) - Processes: 66 - Uptime: 1h 53m - Load Average: 1.10 - Memory Usage: 124.62mb/501.91mb (24.83%) - Disk Usage: 21.68gb/73.24gb (29.61%) |
| 21:22.25 | George- | ;) |
| 21:23.15 | fliplap | George-: thief |
| 21:23.24 | George- | thief? |
| 21:23.45 | fliplap | oh, i suppose you're going to tell me you've paid your sco licensing fees then |
| 21:23.54 | George- | of course not :P |
| 21:23.54 | jroad | hey i talked to theresa at sco\ |
| 21:24.02 | LamerX | well all these companies that are outsourcing overseas are gonna put themselves out of business once they realize that since they've all fired everyone here in the US, that nobody can afford to buy thier products... |
| 21:24.11 | jroad | i asked if i had to send in $32 for my zaurus and replaytv |
| 21:24.13 | George- | jroad: did you tell her she was a whore and that SCO is just one big whore house that's going under? |
| 21:24.28 | LamerX | i wanna call theresa |
| 21:24.35 | jroad | damn i felt bad for her...it's not her fault |
| 21:24.39 | fliplap | everyone should call and ask to talk to teresa |
| 21:24.43 | fliplap | was she nice? |
| 21:24.45 | jroad | call the # and press 5 |
| 21:24.49 | jroad | yea thick accent |
| 21:24.53 | jroad | poor women |
| 21:25.00 | fliplap | what kind of accent? spanish? |
| 21:25.02 | George- | argh |
| 21:25.05 | LamerX | you prolly got routed to india |
| 21:25.08 | George- | EVERYONE AT SCO IS EVIL! |
| 21:25.08 | jroad | yea spanish |
| 21:25.16 | LamerX | er i mean routed to mexico |
| 21:25.18 | jroad | ok she said she didnt know but to go here |
| 21:25.20 | jroad | http://www.sco.com/scosource/ |
| 21:25.36 | jroad | and told me i could email sas@sco.com for sales |
| 21:25.42 | jroad | or have a sales rep call me back |
| 21:26.04 | fliplap | you should have asked her what she though of her company |
| 21:26.29 | fliplap | George-: well. There's at least one |
| 21:26.32 | jroad | man i thought i could be an asshole |
| 21:26.42 | jroad | but i guess not |
| 21:26.58 | fliplap | what ever happened to prankradio |
| 21:27.04 | fliplap | this would be great for them |
| 21:27.18 | George- | fliplap: apart from me, obviously :) |
| 21:27.22 | LamerX | i've got a sales rep thats gonna call me back |
| 21:27.34 | jroad | oh you gave them your phone number? |
| 21:27.45 | LamerX | i asked another lady with a spanish accent what her opinion is |
| 21:27.47 | jroad | i figured they would sell it out for more revenue |
| 21:27.49 | LamerX | yeah i gave it to them |
| 21:28.06 | LamerX | she said she couldn't answer and she was sorry that i had to pay all that money |
| 21:28.12 | jroad | yea , my number is 1800EATSHIT |
| 21:28.16 | LamerX | LOL |
| 21:28.29 | jroad | yea she was nich, huh? |
| 21:28.32 | jroad | nice* |
| 21:28.41 | LamerX | yeah she was |
| 21:28.47 | jroad | i couldn't be mean to poor theresa |
| 21:28.49 | George- | "Hi, I have two Zaurus handhelds, a Psion 5, a Psion 5mx, a PowerBook G4, two Compaq Presarios, a desktop, and they all run Linux. How much do I have to pay for your ass raping licensing fees?" |
| 21:28.52 | LamerX | i can't bitch her out since she's just doing her job |
| 21:28.56 | jroad | its her prick bosses |
| 21:29.29 | LamerX | yeah i set up linux based servers at every site i support, how much should i tell these companies they owe you? |
| 21:29.30 | jroad | tell them you want to sign the NDA and inspect the code violations before you pay!!! |
| 21:29.39 | LamerX | oh hell yeah |
| 21:30.22 | jroad | why hasn't their site been hacked? |
| 21:30.40 | George- | jroad: it's probably running Linux/Apache :) |
| 21:30.40 | LamerX | why haven't thier CEOs been assasinated? |
| 21:30.50 | jroad | doh |
| 21:31.19 | George- | fuck |
| 21:31.21 | LamerX | isn't there a way to find out what webserver and OS it's running? |
| 21:31.21 | George- | it IS ON LINUX |
| 21:31.27 | George- | http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.sco.com |
| 21:31.28 | LamerX | LOL |
| 21:31.32 | jroad | hahaha |
| 21:31.34 | George- | The site www.sco.com is running Apache/1.3.14 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.7.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 PHP/4.3.2-RC on Linux. |
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| 21:31.53 | LamerX | well thing is, they own the code, they can use it i guess |
| 21:32.08 | LamerX | but i guess SCO Unix isn't good enough for the job |
| 21:32.30 | George- | 4 of their servers are Linux |
| 21:32.33 | George- | 6 are SCO UNIX |
| 21:32.39 | W8TVI | lol |
| 21:32.40 | ErikN | Sco Unix is just xenix |
| 21:32.59 | oGMo | no actually, SCO Unix is SVR4 |
| 21:33.10 | oGMo | sco bought the actual unix source from novell |
| 21:33.26 | jroad | maybe we should be like china and drop all intellectual property |
| 21:33.35 | George- | rofl |
| 21:33.40 | ErikN | The version my company used to run was xenix rebadged as sco unix for 386 |
| 21:33.52 | oGMo | jroad: that'd be nice, although the GPL is sustained by copyright remember |
| 21:33.54 | jroad | i mean look at all the RIAA crap |
| 21:34.09 | LamerX | can SCO sue china for releasing it's own Linux distro? |
| 21:34.11 | oGMo | ErikN: oh, well, yeah... they have xenix too, but sco actually owns real unix |
| 21:34.28 | jroad | china, as a country, does not recognize IP |
| 21:34.30 | oGMo | ErikN: which you get is based on version i think, but i may be totally off base here |
| 21:34.42 | oGMo | LamerX: i wold love to see them try |
| 21:34.44 | oGMo | "would" |
| 21:34.50 | oGMo | "SCO execs mysteriously disappear" |
| 21:34.56 | W8TVI | heh |
| 21:35.16 | rev|lib | did you guys send in your check to sco yet? |
| 21:35.17 | LamerX | LOL |
| 21:35.18 | rev|lib | i did |
| 21:35.24 | rev|lib | i thought everyone was going to :( |
| 21:35.28 | oGMo | heh |
| 21:35.28 | jroad | no, but i called SCO |
| 21:35.30 | rev|lib | $699 + 64 |
| 21:35.37 | jroad | they said they couldnt take my money yet |
| 21:35.39 | LamerX | yeah i sent in my check for $320,000 for all the systems i've set up using linux |
| 21:35.42 | rev|lib | one commercial 1xCPU linux machine and two embedded linux boxes |
| 21:35.42 | W8TVI | rev|lib = luser |
| 21:35.44 | W8TVI | :P |
| 21:35.47 | rev|lib | LamerX: only for commercial systems |
| 21:35.51 | rev|lib | not any linux systems |
| 21:35.53 | rev|lib | i'm not a lamer |
| 21:35.54 | LamerX | yep they're commercial |
| 21:36.01 | rev|lib | I'm just an honest-to-god american |
| 21:36.03 | rev|lib | you know |
| 21:36.06 | ErikN | so - if I'm still running soft landing linux from like 93... do I have to pay? |
| 21:36.09 | rev|lib | this coutnry was built on this |
| 21:36.11 | rev|lib | HONESTY |
| 21:36.13 | rev|lib | AMERICANISM |
| 21:36.15 | rev|lib | you know |
| 21:36.17 | rev|lib | synonomous |
| 21:36.19 | rev|lib | CAPITALISM |
| 21:36.19 | rev|lib | and |
| 21:36.29 | jroad | SPAM? |
| 21:36.32 | W8TVI | SCO was not built on honesty |
| 21:36.35 | rev|lib | if we can't honor intellectual property, we're just like people from the middle east or something |
| 21:36.39 | rev|lib | you kow |
| 21:36.40 | rev|lib | it's like stealing |
| 21:36.46 | rev|lib | it's like walkign into Mr. SCO's house |
| 21:36.50 | W8TVI | quit trolling rev |
| 21:36.56 | rev|lib | raping his wife, beating his children and walking off with the TB |
| 21:36.57 | rev|lib | er |
| 21:36.57 | rev|lib | TV |
| 21:36.58 | rev|lib | but ok |
| 21:36.59 | rev|lib | i'm done |
| 21:37.02 | jroad | SCO LUVER |
| 21:37.03 | rev|lib | i don't believe any of that shit |
| 21:37.22 | LamerX | lol |
| 21:37.44 | Bala | i cant believe you kept a straight face |
| 21:37.55 | LamerX | yeah musta been tough |
| 21:38.07 | W8TVI | and what SCO is doing is like comming over to your house with a gun (a BB gun that looks real) and telling you they are going to shoot you if you dont hand over the cash |
| 21:38.23 | W8TVI | the Aussys have told SCO to take a hike |
| 21:38.33 | jroad | germany told sco to fuck off |
| 21:38.37 | jroad | kudos to them |
| 21:38.50 | jroad | none of the US bs that lasts forever |
| 21:38.56 | W8TVI | thats the first thing they have done right in a while |
| 21:39.11 | LamerX | isn't that because germany switched mmost of thier systems to linux, and paid SuSE a bunch of money to develop linux stuff? |
| 21:39.13 | ErikN | the french will pay... |
| 21:39.25 | LamerX | they'll surrender |
| 21:39.31 | ErikN | and pay :-) |
| 21:39.48 | jroad | yea alot of Suse in europe |
| 21:41.07 | George- | especially germany |
| 21:41.10 | jroad | didn't Xerox patent windowing gui |
| 21:41.12 | George- | my server runs SuSE |
| 21:41.20 | jroad | maybe they should sue everyone |
| 21:41.34 | yeiazel | talking about french ? |
| 21:41.35 | yeiazel | what ? |
| 21:41.41 | yeiazel | what's the problem ? |
| 21:41.45 | yeiazel | you talking to me ? |
| 21:41.48 | jroad | french fries |
| 21:42.01 | CAMCAM | What's the problem here ? |
| 21:42.02 | ErikN | french toast too |
| 21:42.08 | jroad | and our love/hate relationship |
| 21:42.14 | rev|lib | no |
| 21:42.14 | yeiazel | french kiss :) |
| 21:42.16 | rev|lib | freedom fries |
| 21:42.18 | rev|lib | dude |
| 21:42.21 | rev|lib | i couldn't believe it |
| 21:42.30 | rev|lib | you know how my retared moronic fellow pig ass americans hate frenchies |
| 21:42.36 | rev|lib | because frenchies don't want to rape iraq in the ass |
| 21:42.37 | rev|lib | anywho |
| 21:42.41 | rev|lib | so |
| 21:42.41 | CAMCAM | You love them all, Confess ! |
| 21:42.47 | rev|lib | there was that "freedom fries" debacle |
| 21:42.50 | rev|lib | and i was in a bathroom |
| 21:42.53 | rev|lib | and |
| 21:42.55 | rev|lib | in a condom machine |
| 21:43.01 | rev|lib | there was the "Freedom ticklet" condom |
| 21:43.02 | LamerX | i dont see why people are so down on the french, they only helped the US beat the british and become it's own country |
| 21:43.03 | jroad | "pig ass american" umm ok |
| 21:43.17 | fliplap | i have no problem with the french |
| 21:43.29 | jroad | hey lets keep focused on SCO!! |
| 21:43.36 | LamerX | oh yeah |
| 21:43.36 | CAMCAM | An we don't have problem with American too |
| 21:43.38 | LamerX | FUCK SCO |
| 21:43.38 | ErikN | lol - then the british and US saved french from germany :-) |
| 21:43.47 | ErikN | yeah |
| 21:43.49 | jroad | down with da SCO |
| 21:43.49 | ErikN | damn sco |
| 21:44.01 | fliplap | tho i can't say i personally say i buy any products that i can say "this is great because its french" |
| 21:44.02 | CAMCAM | An so we did a long ago |
| 21:44.27 | ErikN | le car <-- no thx |
| 21:44.28 | LamerX | fliplap: oh come on, you mean you didn't love LeCar? |
| 21:44.33 | fliplap | hah |
| 21:44.34 | LamerX | damn |
| 21:44.36 | jroad | i met a french chic who was hot |
| 21:44.41 | jroad | that's about it |
| 21:44.45 | LamerX | so many hot french chicks |
| 21:44.49 | ErikN | did she shave her pits? |
| 21:44.55 | CAMCAM | In France you will heard : this film is great because it's American |
| 21:45.03 | jroad | yea she did |
| 21:45.10 | fliplap | most do |
| 21:45.11 | ErikN | jroad: whoa :-) that IS cool |
| 21:45.22 | fliplap | all the ones i've ever met anyway |
| 21:45.25 | jroad | we went rock climbing together |
| 21:45.30 | jroad | i loved the accent |
| 21:45.38 | CAMCAM | You can love french because they are french, not because they give you something to eat |
| 21:45.49 | W8TVI | brb |
| 21:45.49 | CAMCAM | or to buy |
| 21:46.13 | treke | CAMCAM: can you eat a frenchman? |
| 21:46.21 | fliplap | oh, french bread |
| 21:46.26 | fliplap | i really do like french bread |
| 21:46.27 | CAMCAM | I'm French |
| 21:46.28 | treke | french bread is good |
| 21:46.32 | yeiazel | CAMCAM is french gay. he can eat any french man |
| 21:46.35 | fliplap | and cheap |
| 21:46.48 | yeiazel | CAMCAM loves eating mens |
| 21:47.13 | fliplap | but for many things its all about italy |
| 21:47.25 | CAMCAM | yeiazel: Fuck you soon of a ... |
| 21:47.30 | fliplap | food, wine, cars, clothes |
| 21:47.33 | yeiazel | CAMCAM: s/soon/son/ |
| 21:47.35 | CAMCAM | You are French like me |
| 21:47.47 | yeiazel | CAMCAM: how did you know that ? i thouugh it was a secret ! |
| 21:47.47 | treke | fliplap: women with more facial hair than yourself? |
| 21:47.56 | CAMCAM | And you are jalouse because I create a new community for Yopy PDA |
| 21:48.01 | fliplap | hey, i didn't say women |
| 21:48.07 | fliplap | america has the women |
| 21:48.13 | yeiazel | CAMCAM: fsck you dumbass |
| 21:48.27 | fliplap | specificly california and arizona |
| 21:48.39 | CAMCAM | yeiazel: You love me, isn't it ? |
| 21:48.46 | yeiazel | sure |
| 21:48.47 | LamerX | oh nothing like cali girls for sure |
| 21:48.50 | yeiazel | but don't touch me |
| 21:48.57 | CAMCAM | As I love you too I think |
| 21:49.00 | fliplap | i wish they all could be california girls |
| 21:49.03 | CAMCAM | The same way |
| 21:49.04 | yeiazel | CAMCAM: NO |
| 21:49.09 | CAMCAM | Yes |
| 21:49.18 | yeiazel | CAMCAM: don't touch me, and odn't try to go behind me |
| 21:49.19 | CAMCAM | Like cate love water |
| 21:49.22 | George- | yeiazel, CAMCAM: are you two friends? :) |
| 21:49.24 | jroad | hahaha |
| 21:49.25 | George- | ljp: yo! |
| 21:49.38 | ErikN | Wonder if Linux really said that? --> www.fucksco.com |
| 21:49.39 | fliplap | the great part of AZ is that we have ASU, which is really easy to get into, has a reputation as a party school, and is in arizona, so there's an excuse to wear very little clothes |
| 21:50.03 | treke | ErikN: linux is software, it cant say anything |
| 21:50.04 | ljp | georgie |
| 21:50.15 | ErikN | erm Linus |
| 21:50.16 | fliplap | we attract the hot bitches by the truckload |
| 21:50.33 | LamerX | maybe giving sco my number wasn't such a good idea |
| 21:50.45 | jroad | lol @ lamer |
| 21:50.52 | jroad | yea thats what i thought to myself |
| 21:50.53 | George- | treke: printk("Linux has spoken\n"); |
| 21:51.01 | CAMCAM | George: not exactly but we will certainly as we have the same interest in PDA / Zaurus / Yopy and Linux |
| 21:51.08 | yeiazel | treke: Linux has a grat AI :p |
| 21:51.18 | George- | grat? |
| 21:51.23 | jroad | damn CAM lost the french accent |
| 21:51.24 | yeiazel | great |
| 21:51.24 | treke | George-: Go suck an ox nard |
| 21:51.34 | George- | ox nard? |
| 21:51.35 | George- | woot |
| 21:51.43 | CAMCAM | ;) |
| 21:51.51 | treke | oxnard just sounds so dirty |
| 21:52.31 | George- | treke: you dirty man. |
| 21:52.41 | George- | I mean, a guy called GREG is just... DIRTY |
| 21:53.10 | George- | actually, I met a guy called Greg the other day, american, and uses a powerbook g4 :P |
| 21:53.15 | George- | sounds almost the opposite of treke |
| 21:53.18 | LamerX | that's pretty dirty |
| 21:55.20 | fliplap | wtf am i going todo with VNC on my cell phone |
| 21:55.26 | fliplap | people write some weird stuff |
| 21:55.32 | LamerX | remote access your computer, silly |
| 21:55.55 | fliplap | i can barely maintain a telnet or irc session from the thing |
| 21:56.11 | George- | fliplap: what phone? |
| 21:56.20 | fliplap | George-: Sanyo 8100 |
| 21:56.31 | George- | ah, some crappy korean make? :) |
| 21:56.37 | jroad | you have to set it up to constantly ping i think |
| 21:56.41 | jroad | to maintain conn |
| 21:56.58 | fliplap | George-: yeah, its not as good as all that cool british technology |
| 21:57.30 | LamerX | so back to the Z thing... Does anyone know of a good page that will help me set up my Z in linux? |
| 21:57.45 | fliplap | what do you mean setup |
| 21:57.48 | LamerX | i mean to sync with my SCO/Linux desktop |
| 21:57.49 | fliplap | like sync? |
| 21:57.59 | George- | fliplap: heh, I don't have a mobile :) |
| 21:58.06 | George- | fliplap: my brother has a T68i |
| 21:58.19 | fliplap | i have a friend with a T68i, pretty nifty |
| 21:58.37 | LamerX | or not even just sync it, just to establish a TCP/IP connection over USB |
| 21:58.47 | George- | Neo|Work: ping |
| 21:58.49 | fliplap | George-: http://www.sanyo.com/wireless/handsets/scp-8100.htm |
| 22:00.15 | fliplap | LamerX: http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html |
| 22:00.32 | LamerX | sweet thanks |
| 22:00.51 | George- | anyone know an ETA for Snails? |
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| 22:02.47 | VampireZIM | + |
| 22:04.22 | Neo|Work | George-: hmm? |
| 22:04.36 | LamerX | how long on average does it take to fully charge the Z? |
| 22:05.08 | George- | Neo|Work: any ETA for Snails? |
| 22:06.23 | fliplap | LamerX: couldn't even tell ya |
| 22:06.45 | jroad | Prior to IBM’s involvement, Linux was the software equivalent of a bicycle. UNIX was the software equivalent of a luxury car. |
| 22:06.58 | Neo|Work | no |
| 22:07.01 | jroad | from the SCO lawsuit filed in court |
| 22:07.52 | jroad | "It is not possible for Linux to rapidly reach UNIX performance standards for complete enterprise functionality without the misappropriation of UNIX code, methods or concepts to achieve such performance, and coordination by a larger developer, such as IBM. " |
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| 22:10.39 | George- | that's fucking insane |
| 22:11.07 | ErikN | jroad: that is bs. The concepts etc they teach no days makes it very much possible to produce code in excess of the functionality of the original UNIX code base |
| 22:11.19 | treke | yeah. Who'd have ever thought someone could write a decent kernel in *10 years* |
| 22:11.33 | George- | treke: GNU did :) |
| 22:11.47 | George- | *cough* hurd *cough* |
| 22:11.55 | jroad | it seems that SCO is saying IBM purposely devalued UNIX as they moved from a software company to a Services company |
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| 22:12.36 | ErikN | I think SCO is just mad that OS/2 still out sells their version of UNIX 10:3 and IBM doesn't sell OS/2 anymore :-) |
| 22:12.48 | ChipX86 | haha |
| 22:12.48 | jroad | thereby destryoing SCO and Sut, etc bread and butter |
| 22:13.07 | jroad | sun* |
| 22:13.08 | treke | jroad: I dont hear Sun complaining much :) |
| 22:13.17 | treke | they seem to be doing all right |
| 22:14.01 | jroad | yeah, interesting allegation though |
| 22:14.18 | jroad | "By undermining and destroying the entire marketplace value of UNIX in the enterprise market, IBM would gain even greater advantage over all its competitors whose revenue model was based on licensing of software rather than sale of services." |
| 22:16.34 | Neo|Work | jroad: sun is so trying to monetize on SCO |
| 22:16.40 | Neo|Work | they are almost as bad as SCO IMHO |
| 22:17.02 | jroad | neo: how so? |
| 22:17.46 | Neo|Work | first they try to get people to convert to Solaris from AIX since AIX is uhm.. don't remember what they called it. Basically because AIX is "illegal" and it's a big risk to use it |
| 22:17.48 | Neo|Work | or something like that |
| 22:18.03 | Neo|Work | then there was something else that upset me more that I don't remember at the moment |
| 22:18.12 | jroad | ok |
| 22:18.30 | treke | at least sun is trying to sell you something |
| 22:18.38 | jroad | heh yeah |
| 22:18.41 | treke | sco just wants you to give them money for the hell of it |
| 22:18.45 | Neo|Work | http://www.eweek.com/print_article/0,3668,a=45016,00.asp |
| 22:19.31 | jroad | does anyone know what Project Monterrey was? the lawsuit references it |
| 22:19.49 | Neo|Work | it's too much to quote here so just read it |
| 22:19.54 | treke | jroad: It was an os to replace AIX |
| 22:20.00 | treke | "Would you consider buying the company SCO? |
| 22:20.00 | treke | I don't know what I would buy there. Why buy what you already own? I thought I already paid for that sucker. |
| 22:20.03 | jroad | oh ok |
| 22:20.04 | treke | " |
| 22:21.00 | Neo|Work | basically they bug the hell out of me |
| 22:21.13 | Neo|Work | I mean Sun isn't exactly doing brilliantly |
| 22:21.28 | jroad | ok Sun says they bought the full rights to unix from Novell |
| 22:21.39 | Neo|Work | thus they are trying to monetize on the linux (and AIX and so on) fud spread by SCO |
| 22:21.58 | Neo|Work | it's not as bad as SCO but they sure as hell are milking the situation |
| 22:22.56 | jroad | wait but in sco's lawsuit, it says "SCO is the present owner of both UNIX and SCO/UNIX software. " |
| 22:23.44 | treke | jroad: He is saying he bought complete rights to use it |
| 22:28.54 | jroad | oh ok...SCO and ibm worked together on moneterey, a 64bit unix, then ibm backed out |
| 22:29.24 | jroad | sco says ibm used that project to integrate into aix |
| 22:29.39 | jroad | and then ibm open sourced aix into linux |
| 22:30.07 | jroad | with ibm commiting $1 billion into linux /year |
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| 22:43.07 | LamerX | am i to understand that kernel-2.4.20 already has usbdnet support in it? or do i still need the patch? |
| 22:46.36 | ljp | 21, I think |
| 22:47.03 | LamerX | okay cool, i just applied the patch anyways and now it's in my menuconfig :) |
| 22:48.26 | LamerX | w00t i love gentoo |
| 22:49.13 | Bala | you know you can apply patches on other distro's too.. its not just gentoo :) |
| 22:49.18 | fliplap | heh |
| 22:56.44 | LamerX | Bala: I know, but i'm just saying i love gentoo |
| 22:56.48 | LamerX | oh he's gone damn |
| 22:57.12 | LamerX | but i love thier gaming sources, so optimized |
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| 23:04.28 | LamerX | brb |
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