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| 00:23.11 | djk | anybody around? |
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| 00:26.18 | fliplap | no |
| 00:26.30 | VampireZIM | i have been around, whats it to ya? |
| 00:27.10 | fliplap | anyone happen to know a site i can upload/download stuff to a PCS phone? |
| 00:27.32 | fliplap | got a Sanyo 8100 yesterday |
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| 00:30.41 | djk | I am getting an error while installing the 3.10 ROM to run e2fsck -b 8193. I have updated the rom before no problem. Any togt |
| 00:31.45 | noidd | what error are you getting? |
| 00:34.56 | djk | I get te 2.78 boot. ext2fs_check_if_mount no such file or directory |
| 00:38.43 | djk | noidd: that help? |
| 00:39.46 | jroad | flip: i dont have vision phone but try www.3gupload.com and www.sprintusers.com |
| 00:42.42 | fliplap | jroad: word thanks |
| 00:43.06 | fliplap | jroad: i didn't have one when i start playing with em either :-) |
| 00:43.09 | jroad | yeah www.sprintusers/com has a goof forum |
| 00:43.14 | jroad | good* |
| 00:43.51 | jroad | too bad i dont think the 8100 will connect ot |
| 00:43.54 | jroad | to Z |
| 00:44.06 | fliplap | yeah, i don't think so either |
| 00:44.09 | jroad | but it seems to be nice phone |
| 00:44.12 | fliplap | but it is really cheap :-) |
| 00:44.19 | jroad | are you new to sprint? |
| 00:44.21 | VampireZIM | anyone want to buy a Dynamism version C700 in like new condition? |
| 00:44.38 | fliplap | it was $200 minus $100 for signing a contract, minus $100 mail in rebate |
| 00:44.40 | fliplap | so, free |
| 00:44.45 | fliplap | jroad: yeah |
| 00:44.49 | jroad | nice |
| 00:44.59 | jroad | thats their most pop phone ever i think |
| 00:45.25 | jroad | the lg 5350 will connect to Z with serial cable |
| 00:45.39 | fliplap | probably, its cheap and does a bunch of neat stuff |
| 00:46.06 | VampireZIM | does OZ have bluetooth support? |
| 00:46.42 | fliplap | my primary concern was getting a java phone |
| 00:46.47 | fliplap | the rest is just filler |
| 00:47.17 | jroad | i was hoping for the t608 with BT but still not out...maybe never |
| 00:47.59 | fliplap | you can get the t68i, thats been out a good long time |
| 00:48.10 | jroad | not for sprint tho |
| 00:48.22 | fliplap | ah |
| 00:48.24 | jroad | im sprint customer |
| 00:48.50 | fliplap | gotcha. I pretty much went with sprint because it was cheap and i've heard good things about the network |
| 00:48.52 | VampireZIM | switch providers. :) |
| 00:49.12 | jroad | maybe so vamp |
| 00:49.18 | jroad | but i've liked sprint for many years |
| 00:49.22 | VampireZIM | you can use a Sprint CF card on Zaurus |
| 00:49.24 | VampireZIM | i have done it |
| 00:49.28 | jroad | and yes their data is good |
| 00:49.30 | VampireZIM | its pretty cheap too |
| 00:49.37 | VampireZIM | and supposedly you get unlimited data on it |
| 00:49.40 | VampireZIM | my friend does |
| 00:49.57 | VampireZIM | but its bulky with required battery |
| 00:49.58 | fliplap | yeah the unlimited data thing rocks |
| 00:49.59 | jroad | well the card is like $200 and the data is $80/month IIRC |
| 00:50.09 | fliplap | on the phone anyway |
| 00:50.15 | VampireZIM | if you add it to a line, its free |
| 00:50.50 | fliplap | 3gupload costs money now, that sucks |
| 00:50.56 | jroad | oh |
| 00:51.00 | fliplap | they require a mandatory donation |
| 00:51.12 | fliplap | its not really a donation if its mandatory now is it? |
| 00:51.25 | jroad | hehe tax purposes |
| 00:55.21 | VampireZIM | what is SIMPAD? |
| 00:55.36 | treke | VampireZIM: it's a webpad from europe |
| 00:55.46 | VampireZIM | hmm, any good? |
| 00:55.52 | jroad | flip here another url http://www.3gwiz.com/main.php |
| 00:56.03 | treke | looks cool. I wouldnt spend the 400 bucks for one though |
| 00:56.08 | VampireZIM | http://opie.handhelds.org/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=c7x0&id=port_22044 |
| 00:56.22 | VampireZIM | so does OPIE support Bluetooth native? |
| 00:56.56 | VampireZIM | if i can get Bluetooth it will save my C700, if i cant, its going |
| 00:57.19 | jroad | vamp do you have a 5x00 as well? |
| 00:57.24 | VampireZIM | no |
| 00:58.02 | jroad | if you dont get BT you're gonna leave the Z altogether? |
| 00:58.17 | VampireZIM | yep |
| 00:58.23 | hardwire | priss |
| 00:58.24 | VampireZIM | going to probably wait for UX50 |
| 00:58.35 | jroad | what is ux50 |
| 00:58.36 | VampireZIM | the only time i use my PDA is on the net |
| 00:58.42 | VampireZIM | new SONY CLIE |
| 00:58.45 | VampireZIM | clamshell |
| 00:58.45 | fliplap | i always use 802.11b |
| 00:58.50 | fliplap | ew |
| 00:59.02 | VampireZIM | yea, i hate palm, but it has BT and WiFi built in |
| 00:59.11 | jroad | hmm |
| 00:59.32 | jroad | the stock rom has BT support |
| 00:59.37 | jroad | dunno about OZ |
| 00:59.41 | VampireZIM | not on my C700 |
| 00:59.44 | VampireZIM | i have running stock |
| 00:59.53 | jroad | yea it does |
| 01:00.03 | VampireZIM | not out of the box |
| 01:00.05 | jroad | the 3.1 rom is like the 7x0 rom |
| 01:00.10 | hardwire | http://www.pdaavenue.com/showthread/t-2495.html |
| 01:00.13 | hardwire | that does look neat |
| 01:00.26 | VampireZIM | its very small too |
| 01:00.33 | jroad | hardwire do you have a fujitsu? |
| 01:00.34 | VampireZIM | smaller than C700 |
| 01:00.40 | hardwire | jroad: I have a p2120 |
| 01:00.45 | jroad | hahah small world |
| 01:00.46 | hardwire | que? |
| 01:00.58 | jroad | i have a 2120 |
| 01:01.05 | jroad | i just replied to your post on leog |
| 01:01.10 | jroad | my first post there! |
| 01:01.21 | jroad | just saying thx for hosting the acpi files |
| 01:01.29 | jroad | but no idea how to use it all |
| 01:01.53 | hardwire | hah |
| 01:01.58 | hardwire | right on |
| 01:02.12 | jroad | im kinda new to all the linux stuff |
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| 01:02.22 | hardwire | well I hosted them on my cable connection.. then I was all .. hmm.. wtf.. lets put them somewhere stable |
| 01:02.23 | jroad | but now i got the 760 and 2120 with madrake |
| 01:02.24 | TCMAN | hi |
| 01:02.39 | hardwire | Johnny Road |
| 01:02.41 | jroad | yea i saw ur neighbor's wifi bost |
| 01:02.43 | hardwire | sounds like a movie name |
| 01:02.44 | jroad | post* |
| 01:02.51 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:03.08 | hardwire | you need to have a 2.4.21ish kernel to use the patches |
| 01:03.11 | jroad | i browsed your site a bit |
| 01:03.13 | hardwire | something you compile yourself |
| 01:03.38 | hardwire | odd site eh? what browser did you use? |
| 01:04.00 | jroad | IE yea i saw that my browser sucks |
| 01:04.14 | hardwire | heh |
| 01:04.17 | jroad | i got the 2.4.21 kernel |
| 01:04.17 | hardwire | just checking |
| 01:04.24 | hardwire | it looks fantastic in mozilla/opera |
| 01:04.40 | hardwire | you compiled 2.4.21 or just installed the mandrake one? |
| 01:04.42 | jroad | oh duh no wonder your pics didnt come out right |
| 01:04.48 | hardwire | yeh |
| 01:04.49 | jroad | the installed one |
| 01:04.54 | hardwire | ok |
| 01:05.04 | hardwire | you should compile your own kernel and patch in my patch |
| 01:05.17 | jroad | ok im reading up on that stuff |
| 01:05.24 | hardwire | then you can "echo 3 > /proc/acpi/fuj02b1/FJEX/brighness" |
| 01:05.34 | hardwire | and all of a sudden.. you have a brightness of 3/8 |
| 01:06.00 | jroad | and the acpi patch fixes the acpi stuff? |
| 01:06.10 | hardwire | not sure what you want to fix |
| 01:06.12 | fliplap | jroad: do you ever get any phone spam? |
| 01:06.19 | hardwire | what you should do is patch 2.4.21 with the ac4 patch |
| 01:06.25 | jroad | flip: no...i dont have vision |
| 01:06.32 | hardwire | then patch w/ mine.. which adds fujitsu laptop support only |
| 01:06.41 | fliplap | ah, cause like _every_ site requires your number. Its annoying |
| 01:06.55 | hardwire | fliplap: ? |
| 01:07.17 | fliplap | hardwire: i got a Sanyo 8100 the other day |
| 01:07.21 | jroad | flip: oh i haven't registered at any of those but i have them in my favorites |
| 01:07.23 | hardwire | wtf is that? |
| 01:07.35 | fliplap | its a PCS phone |
| 01:08.17 | jroad | wow what a crazy coincidence |
| 01:08.31 | hardwire | groooovy |
| 01:08.47 | jroad | wire: which Z do you have? |
| 01:08.54 | hardwire | 5000D |
| 01:09.05 | hardwire | ooooh.. its almost beer'o'clock ;) |
| 01:09.14 | hardwire | jroad: odd meeting you here ;) but hi ;) |
| 01:09.16 | hardwire | and bye |
| 01:09.20 | jroad | k cya |
| 01:17.04 | VampireZIM | ozbournes, they are so stupid, they are planing vandalism on there nieghbors house on national tv, like they will never find out, duh |
| 01:17.44 | VampireZIM | now they are telling the cops it wasnt them |
| 01:17.45 | VampireZIM | lol |
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| 01:18.16 | Malkin | quickkie question |
| 01:18.29 | VampireZIM | as long as its quick |
| 01:18.30 | VampireZIM | :P |
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| 01:19.13 | Malkin | anyone know if any scripting language (lua, python, perl) has bindings for the 1.6 PIM library? |
| 01:19.23 | Malkin | this is rev |
| 01:19.29 | Malkin | i'm in my gf's account :P |
| 01:19.32 | VampireZIM | that wasnt very quick |
| 01:19.37 | VampireZIM | hehe |
| 01:19.39 | Malkin | sure it was |
| 01:19.40 | Malkin | heh |
| 01:20.06 | Malkin | i want to write some simple sync/data import/export stuff |
| 01:20.09 | Malkin | but damned sharp |
| 01:20.10 | Malkin | no more XML |
| 01:20.12 | Malkin | so it isn't easy |
| 01:20.47 | VampireZIM | no more xml? |
| 01:20.58 | Malkin | no |
| 01:21.09 | VampireZIM | hmm |
| 01:21.12 | treke | VampireZIM: the data used to be stored in XML |
| 01:21.19 | VampireZIM | rev: what device do you have again? |
| 01:21.19 | Malkin | they dumped XML for the PIM system in the SL-5500 3.10 ROM, the C760 and C750 |
| 01:21.25 | Malkin | i have a C760 |
| 01:21.34 | zar | -+ |
| 01:21.46 | VampireZIM | hmm, my C700 still uses XML |
| 01:22.13 | Malkin | yup |
| 01:22.23 | VampireZIM | i might be looking for a good home for my C700 if i cant get Bluetooth to run from a quick connect |
| 01:22.44 | Malkin | oh? |
| 01:22.48 | VampireZIM | yea |
| 01:22.50 | Malkin | and getting what replacement? |
| 01:22.57 | VampireZIM | SONY UX50 |
| 01:23.15 | VampireZIM | i only really use my PDA for internet when i am away from home, pretty useless without it |
| 01:23.53 | Malkin | i thought you despised palm os |
| 01:23.57 | Malkin | even if it does actually owrk |
| 01:24.03 | VampireZIM | i do, but it comes with BT built in |
| 01:24.32 | Malkin | you could get a WinCE PDA, you can get built-in BT as well as better and faster web browsers and 'net apps |
| 01:24.51 | Malkin | although, if i had unlim money i'd prolly get a UX50 or NZ90 or whatever |
| 01:25.29 | VampireZIM | i got rid of my PocketPC Phone for C700 |
| 01:25.38 | VampireZIM | i am not going back to that shitty 320X240 res screen |
| 01:25.45 | VampireZIM | UX50 480X320 is bad enough |
| 01:26.05 | jroad | i thought BT works on 700 what is problem |
| 01:26.25 | jroad | just need a compatible card + bluez or affix |
| 01:26.27 | treke | apparently he doesnt know how to make it work |
| 01:26.34 | VampireZIM | it does if you want to use alpha drivers and spend a lot of time scrwing with shell commands |
| 01:26.46 | Malkin | why would you get a zaurus if you weren't into that? :P |
| 01:26.54 | jroad | true true |
| 01:26.59 | VampireZIM | and the drivers i got for my C700 and Ambicom card wouldnt work on my C700 |
| 01:27.05 | jroad | the journey is the fun part |
| 01:27.14 | VampireZIM | i like shell |
| 01:27.30 | Malkin | ...but not when you just want it to work, eh? |
| 01:27.37 | VampireZIM | but when i want to get on the net, i want to turn on and click to connect, i want to get online, not fuck around with shell |
| 01:28.06 | VampireZIM | i am willing to put in the time and effort to get it to that point, but when i am out and i want on, i dont want to be fucking with shell commands |
| 01:28.48 | VampireZIM | most devices with bt, like UX50, it pairs up when you turn it on, so its like instant on internet |
| 01:29.29 | VampireZIM | screen shots from OPIE 1.0 look promising, i will probably try that before i give up |
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| 01:37.30 | jroad | is there any chance there will be a theKompany form for 7x0 ? |
| 01:37.39 | jroad | *rom |
| 01:39.16 | ChipX86 | I think they said there would only be one if it comes to the US |
| 01:39.27 | jroad | oh |
| 01:39.44 | jroad | yea i guess that makes sense |
| 01:41.36 | jroad | did you guys read now SCO wants $699 from end users using linux? |
| 01:41.43 | jroad | http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=13000135 |
| 01:43.10 | VampireZIM | whats that all about? |
| 01:43.54 | jroad | $699 protects you from SCO suing you |
| 01:44.03 | VampireZIM | so linux is dead? |
| 01:44.24 | jroad | no i wouldnt say that |
| 01:44.52 | VampireZIM | if every user has to pay $699 for linux, then thats going to make future Zaurus's a little expensive dont you think? |
| 01:44.53 | jroad | SCO seems to be desperate for money and is now trying to make money by legal means |
| 01:45.19 | jroad | well you dont have to pay |
| 01:45.21 | fliplap | have we completely ignored the fact that the SCO case is just a bunch of crap |
| 01:45.37 | jroad | i haven't |
| 01:45.48 | jroad | but SCO seems to ignore that fact |
| 01:46.17 | jroad | IBM and MS coughed up money to them |
| 01:46.36 | Zxcvb | IBM did? |
| 01:47.05 | jroad | yea, unfortunately IBM didnt sue SCO |
| 01:47.17 | Zxcvb | they didn't pay SCO, did they? |
| 01:47.24 | fliplap | what? |
| 01:47.32 | Zxcvb | IBM didn't sue SCO yet |
| 01:47.32 | jroad | i believe they paid for some licensing |
| 01:47.33 | fishy | VampireZIM, no linux is not dead |
| 01:47.34 | fliplap | i know MS did, but i didn't hear anything about IBM caving |
| 01:47.43 | fliplap | jroad: link us |
| 01:47.55 | Zxcvb | I thought IBM was like a torrasque(sp?), slow but incredibly deadly |
| 01:47.59 | jroad | let me see if i can find the ibm |
| 01:48.02 | fishy | no you dont have to pay untill SCO actually proves the linux devs actually stole something!! |
| 01:48.05 | jroad | it was on /. the other day |
| 01:48.08 | fishy | and even if they did |
| 01:48.10 | fliplap | oh well |
| 01:48.12 | fliplap | it was on /. |
| 01:48.15 | fishy | you can still use 2.2 free |
| 01:48.18 | fishy | for free* |
| 01:48.25 | fliplap | it must be TRUE |
| 01:52.23 | TCMAN | IBM paid money to ATT for licensing when we all were kids :) |
| 01:52.28 | VampireZIM | http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/ProductTour/computing/ux50/compact.html |
| 01:52.36 | VampireZIM | that machine is stylish |
| 01:53.51 | VampireZIM | http://www.portablealternatives.com/ they are working on a linux for it |
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| 01:55.03 | jroad | how much? |
| 01:55.40 | Zxcvb_ | back |
| 01:55.47 | VampireZIM | $699 |
| 01:55.55 | VampireZIM | $599 withought wifi |
| 01:55.56 | Zxcvb_ | even if true, it will look bad that SCO tried to maximize damages |
| 01:56.43 | Zxcvb_ | after all, if a farmer is damaging my house with his runoff, I can't remove the paint or protective coating on my house to increase the damage done |
| 01:56.47 | jroad | now redhat has set up a $1M legal defense fund against SCO |
| 01:57.21 | Zxcvb_ | wtf, SCO owns wifi? |
| 01:57.46 | jroad | no the sony pda he's talking about |
| 01:57.59 | jroad | he trying to convert us to palm |
| 01:58.07 | Zxcvb_ | I'll stick with my 5500 |
| 01:58.09 | VampireZIM | hehe |
| 01:58.16 | jroad | my dad got the tungsten c |
| 01:58.24 | VampireZIM | i hate palm |
| 01:58.26 | Zxcvb_ | at least until most developers only offer x-scale ipks |
| 01:58.28 | jroad | its pretty nice |
| 01:58.42 | Zxcvb_ | the Z could easily be a palm |
| 01:58.58 | Zxcvb_ | need a replacement CPU core for pose though |
| 02:00.49 | Zxcvb_ | too bad all the JIT based 68* emulators are x86 only such as starscream |
| 02:01.57 | jroad | the new palms are strongarm |
| 02:02.53 | Zxcvb_ | jroad: so how would you do that? |
| 02:03.02 | jroad | oh i got no idea |
| 02:03.08 | Zxcvb_ | jroad: a virtual machine, a faster-than-native JIT, or something like wine? |
| 02:03.08 | TCMAN | yesssss, takem out, battle squadron, north&south and whatnot on Z :))) |
| 02:03.22 | Zxcvb_ | jroad: pace was going to be like wine, but targeting macos |
| 02:03.32 | Zxcvb_ | jroad: or mabye it was another one |
| 02:05.18 | jroad | tcman: ? |
| 02:05.54 | TCMAN | jroad: amiga :)))) |
| 02:06.03 | jroad | ooohh |
| 02:06.10 | Zxcvb_ | TCMAN: how? |
| 02:06.13 | jroad | never got to play with amigaos |
| 02:06.16 | Zxcvb_ | TCMAN: and does it require xfree86? |
| 02:06.24 | TCMAN | Zxcvb_: amiga is 68k based |
| 02:06.46 | TCMAN | the only right purpose to emulate 68k is for amiga emulation :) |
| 02:06.58 | VampireZIM | Amiga rules |
| 02:07.02 | VampireZIM | well used to |
| 02:07.03 | jroad | well there is mac too |
| 02:07.17 | VampireZIM | mac os, blah |
| 02:07.23 | Zxcvb_ | TCMAN: or genesis |
| 02:07.33 | TCMAN | hehe, amiga owns it all :))) |
| 02:07.37 | jroad | and 68k assembly like i did in school |
| 02:07.45 | VampireZIM | BeOS on a PDA would be cool |
| 02:08.01 | Zxcvb_ | though genesis isn't "pure" 68k, is it? |
| 02:08.14 | Zxcvb_ | much like the gameboy was a modified z80 with additional instructions |
| 02:08.47 | TCMAN | gotta go home |
| 02:08.51 | TCMAN | cu guys |
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| 02:24.17 | nightfire | can anyone with a c760 send me a kernel and a tar of /lib/modules? |
| 02:24.28 | nightfire | actually, or c750 |
| 02:35.58 | absentia | re |
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| 03:33.21 | pmax | anyone hav recommendations on what to format an SD card with? jffs? vfat? ext2? |
| 03:35.08 | fishy | ext2 |
| 03:35.42 | pmax | thanks |
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| 03:36.11 | pmax | I just installed oz for the first time. very impressive |
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| 04:27.02 | br33zy | anybody recommend any good gamez that are on the Z? |
| 04:28.03 | ljp | any from neogames |
| 04:28.15 | ChipX86 | yes, I'll second that |
| 04:28.15 | ljp | I heard snails was excellent |
| 04:28.24 | br33zy | free? |
| 04:28.30 | ljp | free demo |
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| 04:30.41 | br33zy | now i'm considering emulation :-/ |
| 04:31.02 | ChipX86 | what kind of games are you looking for? |
| 04:31.24 | Bala | bah who needs emulation.. i dynamiclly translate system calls in my head :) |
| 04:32.41 | br33zy | heh |
| 04:32.52 | br33zy | ChipX86: i dunno |
| 04:33.01 | br33zy | fun free ones |
| 04:33.04 | ljp | I just close my eyes, and see all the groovey colors, man |
| 04:33.18 | fishy | ipkg install counter-strike :P |
| 04:33.25 | br33zy | heh |
| 04:33.45 | W8TVI | hey ChipX86 |
| 04:33.52 | br33zy | any sega genesis emulators? |
| 04:33.59 | br33zy | like dgen |
| 04:34.07 | ChipX86 | hey W8TVI |
| 04:34.11 | W8TVI | I cant get gaim to work... cant find all the depends |
| 04:34.38 | ChipX86 | which dependencies is it complaining about? |
| 04:35.07 | W8TVI | er... |
| 04:35.43 | W8TVI | got to downlaod it agin... |
| 04:35.44 | W8TVI | lol |
| 04:36.00 | br33zy | portinstall gaim |
| 04:36.01 | br33zy | :-) |
| 04:36.09 | br33zy | hey |
| 04:36.12 | br33zy | has anyone tried tickypip? |
| 04:36.15 | br33zy | its pretty cool |
| 04:36.52 | br33zy | now to go through all the hell to find some free roms :-)) |
| 04:37.04 | treke|home | s/free/stolen/ |
| 04:38.27 | ChipX86 | br33zy: thanks |
| 04:38.28 | ljp | tempest is the only game rom you will ever need |
| 04:38.36 | br33zy | heh |
| 04:38.42 | br33zy | treke|home: i have a sega genesis |
| 04:38.44 | br33zy | i own some stuff |
| 04:38.44 | br33zy | :-) |
| 04:38.54 | ChipX86 | br33zy: go grab some NetWalk .pdb files |
| 04:38.59 | br33zy | whats that? |
| 04:39.15 | ChipX86 | I wrote tickypip to load .pdb files that contained NetWalk games. NetWalk is what Tickypip is based off of |
| 04:39.22 | ChipX86 | if you go to some palm software sites, you'll find some downloadable |
| 04:39.27 | br33zy | oh you wrote it? |
| 04:39.30 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 04:39.31 | br33zy | Its great! |
| 04:39.32 | br33zy | hehehehhe |
| 04:39.34 | ChipX86 | heh, thanks |
| 04:39.35 | br33zy | I never got number 2 though |
| 04:39.35 | br33zy | :-/ |
| 04:39.56 | br33zy | netwalk |
| 04:39.57 | ChipX86 | I think there's a couple hundred total levels out there in .pdb format |
| 04:39.58 | br33zy | ok ill look online |
| 04:40.01 | br33zy | ok |
| 04:40.25 | br33zy | found the homepage |
| 04:40.56 | ChipX86 | tickypip 0.1.2 was just released, though it's mostly internal changes |
| 04:41.07 | br33zy | i think thats hte one i installed |
| 04:41.12 | br33zy | i jsut got it today |
| 04:41.13 | br33zy | :-) |
| 04:41.24 | br33zy | oh |
| 04:41.28 | br33zy | 0.1.2 |
| 04:41.30 | br33zy | ok |
| 04:43.29 | W8TVI | I can get gaim to install, and lib-gaim |
| 04:43.43 | br33zy | :-/ |
| 04:43.46 | br33zy | W8TVI: what OS? |
| 04:43.50 | W8TVI | but I cant get glib-2.0 |
| 04:44.03 | VampireZIM | anybody want to buy a C700? |
| 04:44.04 | W8TVI | it was something else |
| 04:44.07 | ChipX86 | VampireZIM: how much? |
| 04:44.09 | W8TVI | for free? |
| 04:44.18 | ChipX86 | W8TVI: sharp rom? |
| 04:44.20 | VampireZIM | $400US + Shipping |
| 04:44.23 | W8TVI | OZ |
| 04:44.30 | W8TVI | 3.2 |
| 04:44.39 | ChipX86 | W8TVI: the one in the OZ feeds should work |
| 04:45.00 | W8TVI | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for libglib2.0-0: |
| 04:45.00 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:45.06 | br33zy | heh |
| 04:45.26 | br33zy | iw ant to write an emulator |
| 04:45.33 | br33zy | are there any docs online on how to do this? |
| 04:46.16 | W8TVI | any ideas ChipX86 |
| 04:46.36 | ChipX86 | W8TVI: that's the one from the stable feed? |
| 04:47.01 | W8TVI | can't remeber now... |
| 04:47.08 | W8TVI | I thin its from unstable |
| 04:47.30 | ChipX86 | one of them should work |
| 04:48.04 | _Psycho | heya ChopX86 |
| 04:48.09 | _Psycho | Chip too |
| 04:48.13 | ChipX86 | hey Psycho |
| 04:48.16 | _Psycho | whats shaking ? |
| 04:48.24 | ChipX86 | not much, just working on gaim a bit |
| 04:48.31 | _Psycho | ah nice |
| 04:48.34 | mspencer | hey sukoshi, ya there? :) |
| 04:48.38 | _Psycho | you got my last messages ? |
| 04:48.40 | ChipX86 | got to update libgaim and qpe-gaim tomorrow |
| 04:48.41 | ChipX86 | nope |
| 04:48.43 | _Psycho | the gobject thingie ? |
| 04:48.43 | W8TVI | i cant find a libgcc1 anyplae |
| 04:48.47 | W8TVI | place |
| 04:48.59 | _Psycho | removing g_ascii worked but after i got |
| 04:48.59 | _Psycho | sec |
| 04:49.15 | ChipX86 | oh that |
| 04:49.34 | mspencer | or any other interested parties with a C700 (Collie): the guy who submitted some ported Opie apps to support the Sharp kernel, just emailed me a patch that allegedly enables fine battery reporting on the C700. :-) |
| 04:49.45 | mspencer | sukoshi built the kernel I'm using, so I wondered if he wanted to try it out. :) |
| 04:50.00 | ChipX86 | sounds like your glib2 build environment is screwed up somehow |
| 04:50.15 | _Psycho | strange i tried with the debian one too anyway |
| 04:50.22 | W8TVI | how did that happen? |
| 04:50.23 | _Psycho | i probably check that in detail later |
| 04:50.28 | _Psycho | i want that gcc3 build someday hehe |
| 04:50.37 | _Psycho | goign bed. night ) |
| 04:51.12 | W8TVI | so what do I do ChipX86? |
| 04:51.21 | br33zy | W8TVI: are you installing it on the Zaurus? |
| 04:51.37 | W8TVI | yep |
| 04:51.41 | br33zy | oh ok |
| 04:51.46 | ChipX86 | W8TVI: that was directed to psycho |
| 04:51.55 | W8TVI | k |
| 04:51.57 | ChipX86 | W8TVI: try pulling glib2 out of the stable feed |
| 04:52.02 | W8TVI | I figured that out |
| 04:52.06 | ChipX86 | ah ok |
| 04:52.54 | W8TVI | I dont even see it in the stable feed |
| 04:53.08 | ChipX86 | should be there. libglib2.0-0 I think |
| 04:53.42 | W8TVI | http://www.openzaurus.org/official/stable/feed/ |
| 04:53.58 | ChipX86 | oh, you're right |
| 04:54.09 | ChipX86 | maybe I got it from unstable then |
| 04:54.26 | treke|home | glib2 wasnt in 3.2 |
| 04:55.07 | br33zy | thats soo cooL!!! |
| 04:55.08 | br33zy | it works! |
| 04:56.44 | treke|home | anyone want to take bets on whether or not he trashes his zaurus? |
| 04:57.16 | W8TVI | cant make it much worse :P |
| 04:57.25 | ChipX86 | just don't get anything but that package :P |
| 04:57.27 | treke|home | famous last words |
| 04:57.29 | W8TVI | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for libglib2.0-0: |
| 04:57.29 | W8TVI | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.31 | br33zy | I died! |
| 04:57.58 | W8TVI | where the h*ll do I get libgcc1?!?1/1?!1/1?1/!?#!$#%?!@%?!% |
| 04:58.37 | br33zy | I lsot!??!?!? |
| 04:58.44 | br33zy | oh well |
| 04:58.45 | br33zy | :-) |
| 05:08.04 | W8TVI | anyone else able to get vectoriods to work? |
| 05:08.51 | W8TVI | vectoroids even |
| 05:47.10 | mspencer | Hmm...Nessus has defeated me. 2.0.7 has, at least. Trying to compile 2.0.6a now :-) |
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| 06:23.09 | br33zy | what are the screen deminsions for the zaurus? |
| 06:23.13 | br33zy | for 5000/5500 |
| 06:24.15 | ljp | 240x320 |
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| 06:25.02 | br33zy | thanks |
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| 06:35.00 | twostop | just checking in here. Tried zic. Looks good, so far (crashed when I did /nick though) |
| 06:35.50 | fliplap | twostop: opieirc is getting better, i promise :-) |
| 06:36.57 | twostop | cool. is that the consensus rather than zic? |
| 06:37.31 | twostop | I saw them both, and thought zic looked a little smaller with lower screen real estate |
| 06:37.49 | fliplap | zic doesn't support multiple servers tho |
| 06:38.12 | fliplap | i'm realistic tho, they both sorta suck right now |
| 06:39.16 | twostop | I don't need much. Just the basics, simpel, reliable, is all I'm looking for |
| 06:39.57 | fliplap | yeah. its coming :-) |
| 06:40.10 | fliplap | so little time :-) |
| 06:40.11 | Bala | so who thinks spending vaction rewriting horrible horrible code sounds like fun? :) |
| 06:40.20 | fliplap | Bala: not me |
| 06:40.36 | fliplap | <=- spent his vacation drunk out of his mind in Vegas |
| 06:40.51 | Bala | oh well.. i guess its just me then.. ugh.. i dont even remember what i was thinking when i wrote this stuff... |
| 06:41.15 | fliplap | time for a re-write |
| 06:41.30 | Bala | yeah.. of my entire xml backend.. :( |
| 06:41.37 | fliplap | you were likely thinking "God, i just want this to be over with, I don't care how ugly it is" |
| 06:42.46 | Bala | no it was probably something like "why is the documention for this file 500 pages.. oh well i'll just ignore most of it" |
| 06:44.12 | Bala | never write a OO.o parser as your first foray into XML :) |
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| 07:07.28 | twostop | I'm spending my sabbatical on IRC and reading blogs, and hacking code. |
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| 07:09.30 | twostop | fliplap, are you the developer of opieirc? |
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| 07:23.18 | ljp | he is the current maintainer |
| 07:26.45 | Wintre | Hi ljp |
| 07:27.45 | twostop | I'm looking for a framework to implement a chat protocol (http://www.research.earthlink.net/confmgr) and wonder if zic or opieirc might be a good starting point. Anybody feel like hacking such a beast? |
| 07:36.48 | ChipX86 | twostop: take a look at the gaim core |
| 07:37.23 | ChipX86 | it's almost fully core/ui split, with UIs on Linux, Windows, OS X (soonish), and the Zaurus, and supports 10 other protocols currently, so it does a good job |
| 07:37.46 | twostop | Gaim runs on Zaurus? |
| 07:37.48 | ChipX86 | (key advantage is that you just write the protocol plugin, and you don't have to worry about the UI) |
| 07:37.51 | ChipX86 | now it does |
| 07:38.00 | ChipX86 | there will be a release hopefully within the week. No promises. |
| 07:38.08 | twostop | gimme gimme url :-) |
| 07:38.21 | ChipX86 | none yet. Still have to get the page up |
| 07:38.54 | ChipX86 | well I guess you can use the packages I currently have up: http://www.chipx86.com/packages/ipkg/ |
| 07:39.01 | ChipX86 | you need gconv-tiny or OZ's gconv-modules, libglib2.0, libgaim, and qpe-gaim |
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| 07:40.02 | twostop | very cool. I know GAIM plug-ins changes once (more?) What version/docs do I want to look at for writing the plugin?s? |
| 07:40.36 | fliplap | yeah, write a gaim plugin, as opieirc stands, it would not be a great framework to go off of |
| 07:40.46 | ChipX86 | heh, updating the docs is still on my todo... for now, look at the other protocol plugins (trepia being a good example of a small one, oscar being a good example of a detailed one) |
| 07:43.40 | fliplap | twostop: and yeah, I'm currently the maintainer |
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| 07:49.24 | twostop | where is trepia is source tree? I just grabbed gaim-0.66. |
| 07:49.45 | djr | youre asking in a zaurus channel? no gaim for z |
| 07:51.36 | twostop | ChipX86 was just speaking to me about that, saying he's putting out a port soon |
| 07:55.45 | ChipX86 | djr: there is gaim for Z |
| 07:55.50 | ChipX86 | it'll be released within a week |
| 07:55.52 | ChipX86 | twostop: #gaim |
| 07:56.42 | djr | really? |
| 07:56.54 | djr | i thought there were some probs with gtk |
| 07:56.57 | djr | they got it all fixed? |
| 07:56.58 | djr | and ready? |
| 07:56.58 | djr | :D |
| 07:57.17 | ChipX86 | I spent the past 10 months core/UI splitting gaim |
| 07:57.31 | ChipX86 | we're almost ready, and we're ready enough for me to have built an experimental patch to gaim, creating libgaim |
| 07:57.38 | djr | wouldnt it have been a LOT better to just rewrite it or write a new client? |
| 07:57.42 | ChipX86 | http://www.chipx86.com/gallery/Applications/gaim/Qtopia/ |
| 07:57.44 | djr | would take a lot less than 10 months |
| 07:57.44 | djr | hehe |
| 07:57.46 | ChipX86 | no |
| 07:57.54 | ChipX86 | see, we separated the UI from the core of gaim |
| 07:58.36 | djr | but... you could have wrote a core from scratch... and then a ui later from scratch... quicker than 10 months... |
| 07:58.37 | ChipX86 | now gaim can and will be used in such things as qt/qpe, MacOS X, and native windows UIs, a sort of proxy server for IM (maybe), IRC <-> IM protocols gateway (if I have time), Evolution support (so says gnome), and other things |
| 07:58.49 | ChipX86 | quicker, but takes time away from other things |
| 07:59.15 | ChipX86 | and part of that 10 months was updating gaim to gtk2, adding new features, fixing bugs, etc |
| 07:59.27 | djr | will it include all the protocols on the Z? aim, icq, jabber, msn, and y!? cause i use them all :D |
| 07:59.46 | djr | and im kinda sick of having micq, kinkatta lite, kmerlin, and icqgo or something open |
| 07:59.52 | ChipX86 | no, not all :/ sorry. You won't get TOC and Zephyr |
| 08:00.00 | ChipX86 | but AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, MSN, Jabber, IRC, Napster, Trepia.. yes |
| 08:00.02 | djr | TOC = aim/icq? |
| 08:00.14 | ChipX86 | TOC == the stripped down, open protocol for AIM |
| 08:00.22 | djr | ah |
| 08:00.26 | ChipX86 | OSCAR == the one that is actually useful that everyone uses |
| 08:00.31 | ChipX86 | Zephyr is used at MIT |
| 08:00.33 | djr | oh |
| 08:00.36 | ChipX86 | so you'll essentially have it all ;) |
| 08:00.41 | djr | well i only care about the five i mentioned |
| 08:00.41 | djr | hehe |
| 08:00.46 | ChipX86 | one sec, I'll put up a screenshot of them |
| 08:02.07 | ChipX86 | http://www.chipx86.com/gallery/Applications/gaim/Qtopia/gaim_qtopia_23.png |
| 08:02.53 | djr | so thats not gonna use opie? |
| 08:03.24 | ChipX86 | for the time being, no |
| 08:03.39 | ChipX86 | we'll later likely use libopie for the file dialogs and stuff |
| 08:04.10 | ljp | might be nice to keep a sharp rom compat version of that |
| 08:04.21 | ChipX86 | well libopie can be installed and it'll work |
| 08:04.37 | ChipX86 | a lot of apps use it. I don't like needing yet another dependency, but in this case, I think it's the best option |
| 08:04.44 | djr | ljp: nah, if the ui is split, you can just have one for qtopia and one for opie |
| 08:04.49 | ljp | true, but libopie is rather big if all you are using from it is filedialogs |
| 08:05.02 | ljp | ahh, thats right.. |
| 08:05.29 | djr | ChipX86: whats the percentage bar at the bottom? |
| 08:05.32 | djr | http://www.chipx86.com/gallery/Applications/gaim/Qtopia/gaim_qtopia_16.png |
| 08:06.09 | ChipX86 | sign-on meter |
| 08:06.16 | ChipX86 | it actually looks a little cleaner in cvs |
| 08:06.36 | djr | theres no way to distinguish between aim and icq? |
| 08:06.54 | ljp | http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/announcements/00000137.html |
| 08:07.23 | djr | couldnt you just check if the account is an icq uin... and if its all numbers, then its icq, and if not, then its aim? :) then you can put a distinct AIM or ICQ rather than AIM/ICQ |
| 08:08.38 | ChipX86 | djr: it can |
| 08:09.01 | ChipX86 | it's the same plugin that handles it, but ICQ buddies and accounts should show an ICQ icon (unless I have a bug) |
| 08:09.03 | djr | oh, just noticed that all your screenshots just said AIM/ICQ and i didnt see any icq contacts listed |
| 08:09.32 | ChipX86 | I'm kind of boycotting ICQ.. |
| 08:09.42 | djr | how come? |
| 08:09.49 | ChipX86 | my UIN was 298387, and some guy stole it through a security hole in the server that they didn't even care about at the time. They told me I was SOL |
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| 08:14.00 | djr | hehe, my lowest icq number was 208xxx... then for some reason i hated everyone on my contact list so i close the account :( |
| 08:14.00 | yeiazel | I've tried to ask some low numbers owners that didn't use them anymore to give me them, but they didn't answer |
| 08:14.00 | yeiazel | the numbers were 7, 42, 69, and so... |
| 08:14.00 | yeiazel | [iirc; was 2 or 3 years ago] |
| 08:14.00 | djr | the lowest the numbers started for normal clients was 100,000 |
| 08:14.00 | djr | (iirc) |
| 08:14.00 | yeiazel | oh |
| 08:14.00 | yeiazel | icq gave me some contact for these numbers though... |
| 08:14.00 | yeiazel | strange |
| 08:14.12 | yeiazel | anyway, I like mine |
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| 12:48.46 | pmax | is it possible to flash on a new kernel without losing all the rest of my settings and files? I just want to go to the 32/0 from the 26/6 |
| 13:02.36 | cyn2 | wait wha |
| 13:02.44 | cyn2 | what device are you splitting the ram down on |
| 13:03.06 | cyn2 | anything with 32 ram only is already storing settings/files in another partition |
| 13:04.00 | pmax | yeah 5000D. I have an SD card always in |
| 13:05.02 | cyn2 | so the 5000D only has 32ram flat out, aren't all your files stored on SD then? |
| 13:05.25 | cyn2 | in which case you'd have to relink them or whatever, but otherwise no worry? |
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| 13:06.43 | pmax | yeah the relinking is annoying |
| 13:06.50 | pmax | is there an automated way? |
| 13:08.22 | cyn2 | dunno personally, hopefully some others will unidle |
| 13:08.32 | cyn2 | I would think not tho - unless someone made a script already |
| 13:08.46 | cyn2 | [you could script it then it wouldn't be neccessary again :)] |
| 13:08.48 | pmax | ah maybe in the app installer config panel (bad place for it) |
| 13:20.03 | pmax | hm nothing |
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| 13:44.36 | z | do opie apps work on theKomapny rom |
| 13:48.24 | z | does anyone know if opie apps work on the Komapny rom such as opie-mediaplayer and opie-camera |
| 13:49.45 | Aimio | i'm guessing no |
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| 14:02.14 | jroad | im kinda new to irc....anyone have suggestion for other channels to join? |
| 14:05.31 | Aimio | #openzaurus #linuxhelp |
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| 14:06.53 | jroad | thx aimio i'll check out linuxhelp |
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| 15:52.27 | rev|lib | yoo |
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| 16:05.43 | teleyinex | hi everyone |
| 16:05.49 | teleyinex | i have one question for all |
| 16:06.06 | teleyinex | with pdfs, can i fit the text to the screen? |
| 16:06.17 | treke | teleyinex: nope. |
| 16:06.28 | teleyinex | i mean: i dont want to make horizontal scroll |
| 16:06.35 | rev|lib | then adjust itmanually |
| 16:06.39 | rev|lib | to the nearest percentage |
| 16:06.56 | teleyinex | but how the fonts show? |
| 16:07.03 | rev|lib | huh? |
| 16:07.32 | teleyinex | yes if i choose the nearest percentage, can I read it, or the fonts are so small |
| 16:08.02 | rev|lib | are you asking me? |
| 16:08.03 | rev|lib | i don't know |
| 16:08.06 | rev|lib | it would depend on the PDF |
| 16:08.11 | rev|lib | there's a good chance it'll be too small |
| 16:08.23 | rev|lib | or, the fonts will be messy- qpdf doesn't do smaller fonts well at all |
| 16:08.56 | treke | rev|lib: you tried the new qpdf? |
| 16:08.59 | teleyinex | in my ipaq and with adobe acrobat reader i can fit the text to the width of the window |
| 16:09.14 | teleyinex | if i cant do that with linux |
| 16:09.20 | rev|lib | treke: yup- it's better, but if you try to shrink it, it looks like shit, with letters overlapping and such... that is on my C760 |
| 16:09.21 | teleyinex | i dont change, and i want to change |
| 16:09.30 | rev|lib | change? |
| 16:09.34 | rev|lib | ok |
| 16:09.38 | rev|lib | here is the basic summary: |
| 16:09.46 | treke | rev|lib: Ah. So it is worth trying to move the stuff back into opie-pdf? |
| 16:09.47 | rev|lib | viewing PDFs on a Zaurus is medicre at best |
| 16:10.13 | rev|lib | treke: dunno- i've not used it extensively enough yet, but i will likely be using it a lot come september |
| 16:10.19 | rev|lib | oh? |
| 16:10.20 | rev|lib | do tell |
| 16:10.48 | rev|lib | it's funny actually- a 33 MHz Dragonball on a Palm m130 running Adobe Acrobat performs better for viewing PDFs than any PocketPC or Zaurus (even the C760) does :P |
| 16:10.53 | treke | rev|lib: moving the mouse scrolls |
| 16:11.16 | VampireZIM | Dynamism version C700 in new condition for sale, with warrenty, msg me |
| 16:11.41 | rev|lib | treke: like when it's "stuck" in the PDF pane? |
| 16:11.54 | treke | rev|lib: you still have to scroll the window, but it's a bit more user friendly than having to clicl on the scroll bar |
| 16:11.57 | treke | rev|lib: "stuck" |
| 16:12.39 | rev|lib | like with a game, where the game pane/window 'caputres' the mouse |
| 16:12.46 | treke | yeah kinda like this |
| 16:12.48 | rev|lib | and you have to release it to go back to clicking on all the regular widgets |
| 16:12.55 | rev|lib | or |
| 16:12.55 | treke | but not quite |
| 16:13.04 | treke | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=685 try viewing a large image in that |
| 16:13.12 | treke | it's basically what I was thinking. |
| 16:13.17 | rev|lib | does the PDF view scroll with the mouse movements no matter where the mouse is? |
| 16:13.28 | treke | no |
| 16:14.27 | treke | rev|lib: It's like you drag the center of the pdf around under the viewport |
| 16:14.36 | rev|lib | ahhhh |
| 16:14.39 | rev|lib | i think it does that already |
| 16:14.41 | rev|lib | in the new qpdf |
| 16:14.46 | treke | oh. cool |
| 16:15.23 | rev|lib | why not just use qpdf then? ;P |
| 16:15.45 | treke | rev|lib: last I tried it, they were the same thing :) |
| 16:15.45 | rev|lib | it's not like it's non-free |
| 16:15.50 | rev|lib | shhh |
| 16:15.51 | rev|lib | kl |
| 16:15.52 | rev|lib | er |
| 16:15.54 | rev|lib | ahhh, ok |
| 16:16.54 | treke | rev|lib: sandman ( one of the opie devels) did the original port. I just saw the new one while opie was preparing for release, so it was a bad time to merge :) |
| 16:17.24 | rev|lib | the old version didn't handle the PDFs i need most at all |
| 16:17.28 | rev|lib | i hope the new qpdf2 does |
| 16:17.31 | rev|lib | it wouldn't even open them |
| 16:17.36 | rev|lib | rather, it did, but all pages were blank' |
| 16:17.43 | rev|lib | which was positively worthless |
| 16:18.03 | rev|lib | none of my school PDFs it could read |
| 16:18.08 | rev|lib | all made by reserve at the library |
| 16:19.43 | rev|lib | i have to use C/Motif for a class this fall |
| 16:19.48 | rev|lib | fuck that |
| 16:20.25 | hardwire | heh |
| 16:23.26 | treke | rev|lib: of course I dont know how well it will do on the 10 or 17 meg PDFS I need :) |
| 16:23.53 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 16:24.23 | treke | I want my Phone and Alarm manuals with me wherever I go |
| 16:27.52 | treke | rev|lib: The problem with your school pdfs was size I think. They were big ass images :) |
| 16:28.12 | rev|lib | nope |
| 16:28.18 | rev|lib | they may have had images |
| 16:28.23 | rev|lib | but most were under a MB |
| 16:28.28 | rev|lib | like 500k ish' |
| 16:28.39 | rev|lib | i'm goign to try a 1 MB er on the new qpdf |
| 16:29.34 | rev|lib | and if 1 MB is too much for linux |
| 16:29.35 | rev|lib | well |
| 16:29.46 | treke | s/linux/qtopia |
| 16:30.19 | rev|lib | in this case, same difference |
| 16:30.24 | rev|lib | functionally that is |
| 16:32.15 | rev|lib | JOY OF JOTS |
| 16:32.16 | rev|lib | r |
| 16:32.17 | rev|lib | JOYS |
| 16:32.22 | rev|lib | qpdf2 works |
| 16:32.25 | rev|lib | at least with this one |
| 16:32.54 | rev|lib | it's still slower than a 33 MHz m68k, but better than nothing |
| 16:38.45 | VampireZIM | rev |
| 16:41.37 | rev|lib | vampy |
| 16:42.11 | VampireZIM | dont you have any friends who want a C700? |
| 16:42.21 | rev|lib | haha yeah right |
| 16:42.31 | VampireZIM | blah |
| 16:42.34 | rev|lib | :P |
| 16:42.38 | VampireZIM | guess i will have to use EBAY |
| 16:42.39 | rev|lib | how much are you hoping to get? |
| 16:42.55 | VampireZIM | $400 |
| 16:43.04 | rev|lib | mmhmm |
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| 16:46.51 | VampireZIM | comes with 128MB SD |
| 16:47.07 | rev|lib | i thought you sold that? |
| 16:47.15 | VampireZIM | i have two |
| 16:47.19 | rev|lib | ahh |
| 16:47.22 | VampireZIM | why would i sell my only SD card? |
| 16:47.24 | VampireZIM | silly! |
| 16:47.31 | rev|lib | to get a bigger one of course |
| 16:47.35 | rev|lib | one 512 vs two 128s |
| 16:47.36 | VampireZIM | heh |
| 16:47.54 | VampireZIM | i need a MemoryStick now |
| 16:48.04 | jroad | vamp you are getting the ux? |
| 16:48.08 | VampireZIM | yep |
| 16:48.15 | VampireZIM | well, pre-ordering it |
| 16:48.29 | jroad | is it out in japan? |
| 16:48.44 | VampireZIM | i think it comes out this month, but not out yet |
| 16:48.56 | VampireZIM | US release Sept 12th, i will be counting the hours |
| 16:49.16 | rev|lib | ohh |
| 16:49.22 | rev|lib | my roomate gets his SideKick today |
| 16:49.24 | rev|lib | i'm jealous |
| 16:49.38 | VampireZIM | i was going to get that |
| 16:50.05 | rev|lib | positively droolable |
| 16:50.18 | VampireZIM | but with UX50, it will be like a PDA phone with bluetooth headset, keep my phone in my pocket, put the headset on and pull out my UX50 and dial a number from my contacts |
| 16:50.23 | rev|lib | although, what would be perfect, is if i could get a CF card to hook into the same net service |
| 16:50.38 | VampireZIM | and when i turn on my UX50 it will automaticly pair with my phone and get on the net |
| 16:50.48 | VampireZIM | its a much better solution than sidekick |
| 16:50.49 | rev|lib | does it raelly work that slick? |
| 16:51.02 | rev|lib | it's a better PDA than the sidekick, yes |
| 16:51.04 | VampireZIM | yea, thats why i am so disapointed with C700 |
| 16:51.15 | rev|lib | but all that junk you have to tote is definately worse than the SK solution |
| 16:51.33 | VampireZIM | it does the same with wifi, when the machine turns on, it automaticly searches for open wifi connections |
| 16:51.46 | jroad | its palm so it makes its easy |
| 16:52.17 | VampireZIM | i hate palm, but i replaced my PPC PHONE to get C700 and i am not willing to lose the internet functionality |
| 16:52.42 | treke | you could always buy another ppc phone |
| 16:52.45 | rev|lib | you can't hate it that bad |
| 16:52.53 | rev|lib | with PPC, at least you have more of a "real OS" |
| 16:52.54 | VampireZIM | you have no idea |
| 16:53.03 | rev|lib | but you get stuck with that tiny 240x320 |
| 16:53.31 | rev|lib | i wish non-PocketPC WinCE devices were more plentiful in the US |
| 16:53.33 | VampireZIM | UX50 is 480X240, so not TOO bad |
| 16:53.33 | jroad | i think future pdas will all start including keyboards |
| 16:53.48 | jroad | sharp inovated the idea |
| 16:53.50 | VampireZIM | 480X320 |
| 16:54.01 | treke | jroad: uhm not really |
| 16:54.03 | rev|lib | how did sharp innovate the idea? |
| 16:54.07 | rev|lib | PDAs have had thumboards for ever |
| 16:54.14 | treke | jroad: pdas have had keyboards for quite a while |
| 16:54.15 | rev|lib | and much better keyboards in general |
| 16:54.18 | jroad | i thought z was one of first with keyboard |
| 16:54.23 | rev|lib | hell no |
| 16:54.30 | VampireZIM | rev: want to buy my folding IR keyboard, works great on C7x0 |
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| 16:54.46 | rev|lib | there have been PDAs w/ keyboards since the invention of the PDA darn near |
| 16:54.51 | rev|lib | VampireZIM: how much? |
| 16:54.52 | VampireZIM | cool, when you can flip the screen around and use a wireless keyaboard, makes the C7x0 like a little desktop |
| 16:54.53 | treke | the yopy had a keyboard. |
| 16:54.55 | rev|lib | and is it the PocketTop? |
| 16:55.02 | treke | handspring had one I think |
| 16:55.10 | treke | there has always been the hpcs |
| 16:55.13 | rev|lib | yup |
| 16:55.19 | jroad | hpcs not pda |
| 16:55.26 | rev|lib | sure they are |
| 16:55.29 | VampireZIM | rev: $40, they go for $99 in the stores |
| 16:55.30 | rev|lib | oh ok |
| 16:55.32 | rev|lib | they're PMTs |
| 16:55.51 | rev|lib | VampireZIM: how about $40 including shipping? |
| 16:56.01 | VampireZIM | $45 including shipping. :) |
| 16:56.17 | rev|lib | well, you can ship it with that $3.50 US priority mail |
| 16:56.20 | jroad | well i got the 760 and thinks its innovative |
| 16:56.24 | rev|lib | no need for UPS |
| 16:56.25 | VampireZIM | the IRK app is nice, another option shows up in your keyboard/handwriting button |
| 16:56.30 | rev|lib | the 760 is cool because of the screen |
| 16:56.33 | jroad | now ux has taken that |
| 16:56.36 | rev|lib | but hardly innovative |
| 16:56.43 | rev|lib | VampireZIM: oooh |
| 16:56.43 | VampireZIM | $40 via PayPal? |
| 16:56.48 | rev|lib | sounds good to me |
| 16:56.56 | jroad | what are other swivel / keyboard pda's?? |
| 16:57.09 | rev|lib | Sony had the swivel thing first |
| 16:57.14 | treke | jroad: the clies |
| 16:57.17 | rev|lib | with the ... don't remember the model numbers |
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| 16:57.53 | jroad | i saw a clie with a pull out keyboard but not swivel like the ux |
| 16:57.58 | jroad | hi wire |
| 16:58.09 | treke | rev|lib: hehe it seems to be dying horribly on my pdfs :) |
| 16:58.16 | rev|lib | aww :( |
| 16:58.17 | rev|lib | that sucks |
| 16:58.21 | rev|lib | jroad: http://sonyelectronics.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/models/nz90.html |
| 16:58.30 | rev|lib | sony has had PDAs lik that before the C700 |
| 16:58.32 | treke | maybe it's still trying to load it off the slow as hell sd |
| 16:58.33 | rev|lib | different orientation, yes |
| 16:58.35 | jroad | that thing is huge |
| 16:58.42 | rev|lib | there are smaller models, but similar |
| 16:58.47 | rev|lib | that one is obese |
| 16:58.59 | rev|lib | hell, it has a MPEG4 decoder in hardware |
| 16:59.02 | rev|lib | what do you expect? :P |
| 16:59.21 | VampireZIM | i bought NZ90 for my GF when it came out |
| 16:59.27 | VampireZIM | thats when i realized i hated PALM OS |
| 16:59.32 | jroad | haha |
| 16:59.35 | VampireZIM | she loves it |
| 16:59.42 | jroad | what version os does it have? |
| 16:59.53 | VampireZIM | like 5.somthing |
| 17:00.00 | rev|lib | 5.0 IIRC |
| 17:00.08 | rev|lib | only the newest Palm models have 5.2.1 |
| 17:00.17 | rev|lib | the NX50 too iirc |
| 17:00.19 | VampireZIM | i want 6.0 |
| 17:00.22 | rev|lib | yes |
| 17:00.23 | rev|lib | me too |
| 17:00.24 | jroad | well id rather go with palm than wince |
| 17:00.26 | VampireZIM | the first version with multitasking |
| 17:00.28 | rev|lib | i won't buy a palm until then |
| 17:00.31 | rev|lib | although |
| 17:00.38 | jroad | i tend to support the underdog |
| 17:00.40 | rev|lib | i did use a m130 (my mom's) for a cuople weeks, and it was surprisingly capable |
| 17:00.43 | VampireZIM | it will probably come out shortly after i get my UX50 |
| 17:00.55 | rev|lib | i was suprised how much it did, no multitasking, but apps start instantly so the illustion is there |
| 17:01.07 | rev|lib | i gave up supporting an inferior underdog for nor good reason a while back |
| 17:01.09 | VampireZIM | palm is the devil, PPC is low res, the only GOOD pda on the market is C7x0 |
| 17:01.15 | rev|lib | and in the PDA market, MS is the underdog compared to Palm |
| 17:01.18 | rev|lib | but |
| 17:01.24 | rev|lib | i'd like to have another WinCE PDA |
| 17:01.28 | jroad | ms has the market share now i thought |
| 17:01.31 | rev|lib | *not PocketpC* |
| 17:01.33 | rev|lib | no |
| 17:01.36 | rev|lib | MS has been selling more |
| 17:01.45 | rev|lib | but total market share is still smaller |
| 17:01.49 | rev|lib | Palm had a huge headstart |
| 17:02.16 | jroad | i had the cassioipeai 105 |
| 17:02.33 | rev|lib | I used a Jornada 720 for a year basically as my main computer |
| 17:02.36 | jroad | that was before the flash firmware |
| 17:03.11 | rev|lib | i did web browsing, wrote papers in LaTeX (and compiled and viewed them on the J720), did admin and email via SSH and telnet, coded (compiled and all) in a number of languages, etc |
| 17:03.21 | rev|lib | took all of my notes for class |
| 17:03.25 | jroad | nice |
| 17:03.25 | rev|lib | hell |
| 17:03.30 | rev|lib | i did a lot of Unix stuff on the J720 |
| 17:03.36 | jroad | it was greyscale? |
| 17:03.50 | rev|lib | and was raelly dispointed to find that there is a lot more adapted Unix software for WindowsCE than there is for the Zaurus + Qtopia |
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| 17:03.59 | rev|lib | jroad: no, 640x240 16 bit color |
| 17:04.03 | rev|lib | 206 mhz strongarm |
| 17:04.04 | jroad | oh wow |
| 17:04.41 | rev|lib | it wasn't ancient or anything |
| 17:04.41 | rev|lib | and |
| 17:04.47 | rev|lib | web browsign was nice, even had a tabbed browser |
| 17:04.53 | jroad | just not familar with it |
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| 17:05.35 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 17:05.56 | rev|lib | i wish i could run WinCE (again, not PPC, real WinCE) on my Zaurus C760 |
| 17:05.58 | rev|lib | it'd be badass |
| 17:05.58 | rev|lib | heh |
| 17:06.17 | rev|lib | http://www.dynamism.com/nexio/index.shtml |
| 17:06.20 | rev|lib | i wanted that |
| 17:06.28 | rev|lib | it'd be perfect as a PDA and computer |
| 17:06.40 | rev|lib | but alas, only a PXA250 ... and it costs $1300 trhrough dynamism |
| 17:06.56 | jroad | cool |
| 17:08.13 | VampireZIM | http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/viewtopic.php?t=451 |
| 17:08.47 | jroad | no spam! |
| 17:09.12 | VampireZIM | thats not spam, thats beef jerky |
| 17:09.25 | jroad | k |
| 17:09.37 | rev|lib | heh |
| 17:13.03 | treke | rev|lib: ok. Now it has loaded the pdf |
| 17:13.17 | treke | but I cant figure out how to make it do anything :) |
| 17:13.53 | rev|lib | haha |
| 17:13.56 | rev|lib | how long did it take?! |
| 17:14.14 | treke | not sure. Went to go check on some contractors after I hit open :) |
| 17:14.23 | treke | could have been 10 minutes, could have been 30 seconds |
| 17:14.27 | rev|lib | haha |
| 17:14.28 | rev|lib | man |
| 17:14.44 | treke | i ought to just convert these things to text |
| 17:14.51 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 17:16.11 | treke | hahaha |
| 17:16.12 | teleyinex | thanks |
| 17:16.15 | treke | it loaded it upside down |
| 17:16.17 | teleyinex | but i have to go |
| 17:16.18 | teleyinex | cya |
| 17:16.27 | rev|lib | haha |
| 17:16.35 | rev|lib | is this opie-pdf or qpdf2? |
| 17:16.38 | treke | qpdf2 |
| 17:17.05 | rev|lib | ah |
| 17:17.06 | rev|lib | heh |
| 17:17.18 | treke | oh I bet I know what is happening |
| 17:17.41 | treke | the author is probably rendering an image and then blt ing it to the frame buffer |
| 17:17.46 | rev|lib | ah |
| 17:17.47 | treke | which is broken :) |
| 17:27.32 | rev|lib | :) |
| 17:35.12 | treke | 3600s are rotated the same ways as the zaurus 5500 :) |
| 17:37.56 | treke | rev|lib: the navigation was basically what I was thinking |
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| 17:39.29 | rev|lib | ahh k |
| 17:46.06 | rev|lib | Zaurus can't do SDIO, right? |
| 17:46.13 | VampireZIM | not yet |
| 17:46.35 | rev|lib | so it's a driver thing, not some hardware gimpiness? |
| 17:46.41 | VampireZIM | not sure |
| 17:46.58 | treke | the 5500 was hardware gimpiness |
| 17:47.05 | treke | newer ones may just be drivers |
| 17:47.43 | rev|lib | ah |
| 17:48.19 | treke | of course since no one is writing drivers, you've got a problem :) |
| 17:48.25 | rev|lib | indeed |
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| 18:09.48 | pmax | anyone had trouble getting opie-mail to work with cyrus imap? |
| 18:10.03 | pmax | it lists the folders for me, but doesn't show any content in them |
| 18:10.40 | treke | opie-mail2 is completly broken |
| 18:11.07 | treke | only imap server I've ever seen it work with is MS excnage |
| 18:14.38 | pmax | is there any other free imap client? |
| 18:14.45 | Wintre | telnet? |
| 18:14.51 | treke | the one that came in qtopia |
| 18:15.25 | pmax | hrm |
| 18:25.13 | rev|lib | damnit |
| 18:25.22 | rev|lib | there is that cool CompUSA $40 rebate |
| 18:25.25 | rev|lib | for a wificard for $30 |
| 18:25.28 | rev|lib | but it's a fucking WCF12 |
| 18:25.30 | rev|lib | DO I TRUST IT?? |
| 18:25.38 | fliplap | i got it |
| 18:25.42 | pmax | hm qtmail doesn't even launch on oz |
| 18:25.48 | fliplap | i sent in the MiR today |
| 18:25.48 | rev|lib | i've had 2 of the WCF12s |
| 18:25.55 | rev|lib | they both broke after 3 weeks |
| 18:25.58 | rev|lib | just stopped working |
| 18:26.00 | fliplap | heh, suck |
| 18:26.09 | fliplap | well hopefully mine will keep working |
| 18:26.10 | rev|lib | on a PocketPC, the Zaurus and a WinCE machine |
| 18:26.14 | rev|lib | same behavior on all of them |
| 18:26.21 | rev|lib | 3 weeks they'd be fine then BLASDFASF |
| 18:26.45 | treke | rev|lib: hehe. My first one did that |
| 18:26.52 | treke | rev|lib: I bought a second because of the rebate |
| 18:26.54 | treke | rev|lib: the rebate is over |
| 18:26.55 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 18:27.00 | treke | rev|lib: the 2nd was the last day |
| 18:27.04 | rev|lib | nope, may 24th it says |
| 18:27.07 | rev|lib | http://dealnews.com/articles/51337.html |
| 18:27.08 | rev|lib | anywho |
| 18:27.12 | rev|lib | compusa.com is sold uot tho |
| 18:27.18 | rev|lib | whioch is a good thing, it'll prevent me from doing it |
| 18:27.20 | rev|lib | but |
| 18:27.21 | rev|lib | i gott arun |
| 18:27.22 | rev|lib | heh :) |
| 18:27.24 | treke | rev|lib: I'm going on the paperwork I gought with my recept :) |
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| 18:31.30 | treke | rev|lib: The problem I think is poor quality in the connection between the card and the antenna |
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| 20:11.55 | KhensU | ChipX86: is there a way to 'Join a chat' in qpe-gaim yet? |
| 20:12.11 | ChipX86 | not yet. You have to be invited |
| 20:12.30 | rev|lib | heh |
| 20:12.40 | rev|lib | probably could do it with ZIC + AIMIRC |
| 20:13.02 | ChipX86 | adding that functionality isn't hard. I just have a lot of things to do :) It'll be in before release |
| 20:13.10 | fliplap | mmm overly complicated |
| 20:13.42 | KhensU | ChipX86: no problem. I was just playing around with it last night. It looks nice |
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| 20:57.04 | aveng0 | anyone here have a sharp actius mm10? |
| 20:57.51 | fliplap | i sure don't |
| 20:58.16 | rev|lib | wazzat? |
| 20:58.22 | fliplap | a laptop |
| 20:58.28 | rev|lib | ahh |
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| 21:03.51 | aveng0 | hm :) |
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| 21:09.59 | kyngel | @#%@#% toolchains... |
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| 21:17.46 | VampireZIM | buy my C700 |
| 21:17.47 | VampireZIM | http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/viewtopic.php?t=451 |
| 21:17.56 | jroad | stop the jerkey |
| 21:18.02 | rev|lib | any C7x0 users here? |
| 21:18.04 | rev|lib | vampy |
| 21:18.08 | jroad | im 760 |
| 21:18.09 | rev|lib | i want to sync my C760 |
| 21:18.12 | rev|lib | do you do that? |
| 21:18.13 | rev|lib | on windows |
| 21:18.17 | rev|lib | but the software is in jp |
| 21:18.19 | VampireZIM | i never sync |
| 21:18.31 | rev|lib | i've never sync'd a PDA before, never had the need |
| 21:18.40 | rev|lib | but i want to set up some stuff for importing and syncing info |
| 21:18.47 | rev|lib | for todos and calendar items |
| 21:18.49 | rev|lib | for instance |
| 21:18.52 | jroad | its all on externe |
| 21:18.56 | jroad | http://www.myzaurus.com/ROMupdate5.asp |
| 21:19.01 | jroad | eng sync s/w |
| 21:19.14 | rev|lib | i have a REBOL script that intercepts emails with a TODO task for work |
| 21:19.18 | rev|lib | when my boss thinks of something |
| 21:19.19 | rev|lib | she emails it to me |
| 21:19.41 | rev|lib | i had this implemented on the device itself on my WinCE Jornada 720 |
| 21:19.45 | rev|lib | (coded it on the device itself) |
| 21:19.46 | rev|lib | but |
| 21:19.53 | rev|lib | on the Zaurus that isn't as easy anymore |
| 21:20.01 | rev|lib | ti was when we had the XML pim files |
| 21:20.12 | rev|lib | jroad: that works for the 760? |
| 21:20.15 | jroad | rev did u check the url |
| 21:20.17 | jroad | yes |
| 21:20.19 | rev|lib | ah k |
| 21:20.23 | rev|lib | i'll b/m it and try it tommorow |
| 21:20.27 | rev|lib | (left the usb cable at home) |
| 21:20.35 | jroad | b/m? |
| 21:20.40 | rev|lib | bookmark |
| 21:20.43 | jroad | oh |
| 21:20.56 | jroad | you have to remove some jap bookmarks on the 760 |
| 21:21.03 | rev|lib | ah |
| 21:21.07 | jroad | or it wont sync |
| 21:21.08 | rev|lib | i deleted them already |
| 21:21.11 | jroad | k |
| 21:21.11 | rev|lib | bceause i had no need |
| 21:21.15 | rev|lib | and couldn't read tehm :P |
| 21:21.37 | jroad | i just answered the same ques on externe |
| 21:21.40 | jroad | 1 min ago |
| 21:21.45 | rev|lib | ahh |
| 21:21.45 | rev|lib | heh |
| 21:22.18 | treke | . |
| 21:22.45 | rev|lib | ! |
| 21:23.21 | jroad | rev you also have 5x00? |
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| 21:24.02 | rev|lib | nope |
| 21:24.03 | rev|lib | had |
| 21:24.25 | jroad | does the stylus fit? |
| 21:24.35 | rev|lib | don't know, did have them at the same time |
| 21:24.35 | rev|lib | but |
| 21:24.38 | rev|lib | i asked brett @ conics |
| 21:24.41 | rev|lib | and he says nope |
| 21:24.43 | jroad | oh |
| 21:24.49 | rev|lib | the C700 and 5x00 all use the same stylus |
| 21:24.54 | rev|lib | rather, one stylus will fit them |
| 21:25.02 | rev|lib | but the C{5,6}0 use a different one |
| 21:25.04 | jroad | oh but not the 750 & 760? |
| 21:25.05 | rev|lib | so i'm ordering a coupel from him |
| 21:25.06 | jroad | k |
| 21:25.22 | jroad | wait brett told me 700 stylus would fit |
| 21:26.28 | jroad | "others that will fit include the Sharp C700 stylus (525 yen) and the PDair 3-in-1 (1600yen)" |
| 21:26.42 | rev|lib | hrmm |
| 21:27.00 | rev|lib | maybe dynamism said that then |
| 21:27.19 | rev|lib | because i still have the email from brett and it isn't there |
| 21:27.23 | rev|lib | but deleted the dynamism ones |
| 21:27.27 | jroad | oh |
| 21:27.31 | rev|lib | naturally, they wanted 2x the price for the same stylus :P |
| 21:27.41 | jroad | wow |
| 21:27.48 | rev|lib | heck more- $15 |
| 21:27.51 | jroad | which one? |
| 21:28.01 | rev|lib | for a replacement sharp stylus |
| 21:28.05 | rev|lib | brett wants $7 for a replacement sharp |
| 21:28.14 | jroad | brett sells pentopia, 700, and pdair 3 in 1 |
| 21:28.21 | rev|lib | i wonder if it is a C700 stylus- he says "(both are part metal, and designed to fit in the PDA)" |
| 21:28.32 | rev|lib | both being the pentopia and sharp stylus |
| 21:28.43 | rev|lib | i want that C760 case |
| 21:28.45 | rev|lib | that looks really slick |
| 21:28.52 | jroad | you gonna buy it? |
| 21:28.58 | rev|lib | someday perhaps |
| 21:29.01 | rev|lib | but i don't have $50 right now :( |
| 21:29.03 | rev|lib | and |
| 21:29.18 | rev|lib | i want a case that actually keeps the C760 fairly protected from dust and any pocket gunk |
| 21:29.24 | rev|lib | that case is open on the sides |
| 21:29.42 | jroad | i dont know if it'll fit in a pocket with the case |
| 21:29.52 | rev|lib | i would in mine |
| 21:29.58 | rev|lib | i fit a Newton MP2100 |
| 21:30.03 | rev|lib | or a Jornada 720 |
| 21:30.07 | rev|lib | althoguh the MP2100 is a really tight fit ;P |
| 21:30.26 | jroad | i guess its not that big |
| 21:30.28 | treke | those are big pocket |
| 21:30.46 | rev|lib | the newton fits fine in back pockets, although it sticks out |
| 21:30.47 | rev|lib | yes |
| 21:30.50 | rev|lib | pretty big pockets |
| 21:32.39 | VampireZIM | trek: want a C700? |
| 21:32.40 | VampireZIM | :) |
| 21:32.57 | jroad | Z hater! |
| 21:33.02 | VampireZIM | :P |
| 21:33.11 | rev|lib | noo noo you got it all wrong |
| 21:33.13 | rev|lib | he hates PalmOS |
| 21:33.14 | jroad | go to the palm forum |
| 21:33.20 | jroad | he leaving the Z |
| 21:33.21 | VampireZIM | i hate Palm OS |
| 21:33.22 | rev|lib | that's why he's buyign a 700 palm :P |
| 21:33.23 | jroad | to go to palm |
| 21:33.25 | rev|lib | er $700 |
| 21:33.28 | jroad | haha |
| 21:33.28 | VampireZIM | thats why i am buing one. :/ |
| 21:33.42 | jroad | www.palm.com/forum gogog |
| 21:33.45 | VampireZIM | palm sux ass |
| 21:33.54 | jroad | www.ilovemypalm.com |
| 21:34.03 | VampireZIM | i am just hoping they will get Linux running on it before i kill myself |
| 21:34.13 | rev|lib | ugh |
| 21:34.16 | rev|lib | that'd be worse |
| 21:34.21 | rev|lib | liux on a device not even designed for it |
| 21:34.23 | rev|lib | i mean |
| 21:34.23 | rev|lib | shit |
| 21:34.26 | jroad | lets see... |
| 21:34.33 | jroad | how long has palm been around? |
| 21:34.33 | rev|lib | we have enough problems on the C7x0 and 5x00s |
| 21:34.44 | jroad | 5 years or so? |
| 21:34.45 | rev|lib | why would running POS on the UX50 be any different? |
| 21:35.01 | rev|lib | palm has been aroudn for 6-7 years, yeah |
| 21:35.04 | jroad | and they don't have linux for it? |
| 21:35.06 | rev|lib | actually |
| 21:35.07 | VampireZIM | because it would support the bt and wifi built in |
| 21:35.15 | rev|lib | prolly like 8 years, but that's pre-palm hardware |
| 21:35.18 | VampireZIM | they have linux for Palm |
| 21:35.20 | rev|lib | there have been POS units which have run Linux |
| 21:35.22 | rev|lib | but |
| 21:35.27 | rev|lib | it was a shitty, gimped out linux |
| 21:35.30 | rev|lib | with no MMU support,e tc |
| 21:35.34 | rev|lib | but that was pre-ARM |
| 21:35.45 | jroad | ic |
| 21:35.47 | VampireZIM | UX50 is arm compatible |
| 21:35.49 | rev|lib | now that Palms have real ARM CPUs and a signifigant amoutn of ram things may be different |
| 21:35.52 | rev|lib | but |
| 21:35.57 | rev|lib | is the ROM on the UX50 flashable? |
| 21:36.03 | rev|lib | but then again, youcan boot linux on non-flashable WinCE machines |
| 21:36.07 | rev|lib | but it's easier if it it flashable |
| 21:36.07 | VampireZIM | i am sure it is |
| 21:36.36 | jroad | hmm |
| 21:36.41 | VampireZIM | it better be, i want POS6 |
| 21:36.51 | VampireZIM | heh, POS6 sounds like POSIX |
| 21:37.13 | rev|lib | heh |
| 21:37.31 | rev|lib | you should buy a Nexio S160 |
| 21:38.04 | VampireZIM | HUGE |
| 21:38.11 | VampireZIM | UX50 is smaller than C700 |
| 21:38.26 | rev|lib | ... |
| 21:40.30 | jroad | vamp you gonna sell your ambicom card? |
| 21:40.46 | VampireZIM | took it back |
| 21:41.03 | jroad | did you ever get it working? |
| 21:41.07 | VampireZIM | no |
| 21:41.16 | VampireZIM | fucking ambicom driver isnt compatible with C700 |
| 21:41.19 | jroad | did it have an LED? |
| 21:41.24 | VampireZIM | so the only option is the super over priced Socket |
| 21:41.35 | VampireZIM | i dont remember |
| 21:41.37 | VampireZIM | dont think so |
| 21:41.52 | jroad | because there is a compatible and noncompabitible version |
| 21:41.59 | jroad | yellow label vs blue label |
| 21:42.20 | VampireZIM | doesnt matter |
| 21:42.26 | VampireZIM | i am over Zaurus |
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| 21:52.30 | jroad | hey does anyone know how I can get the ripped Opera IPK?? |
| 21:53.03 | VampireZIM | jr: what machine do you have? |
| 21:53.08 | jroad | 760 |
| 21:53.12 | VampireZIM | wont work |
| 21:53.14 | VampireZIM | oh wait |
| 21:53.17 | VampireZIM | for Sharp ROM? |
| 21:53.21 | jroad | yes |
| 21:53.24 | VampireZIM | wont work |
| 21:53.28 | VampireZIM | icons are broken |
| 21:53.32 | jroad | you tried? |
| 21:53.35 | VampireZIM | i can send it to you if you want |
| 21:53.40 | jroad | ok sure |
| 22:01.41 | rev|lib | anyone know where to information on the new qtopia PIM api? |
| 22:01.43 | rev|lib | treke? |
| 22:01.53 | treke | rev|lib: Which one? |
| 22:01.57 | treke | sharp's or trolltechs? |
| 22:01.58 | rev|lib | the new one |
| 22:02.04 | rev|lib | ooh good question |
| 22:02.06 | rev|lib | probably sharp's |
| 22:02.13 | rev|lib | whatever i'd use to access the stock PIM apps |
| 22:02.15 | rev|lib | is http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia/html/qpepim.html |
| 22:02.19 | rev|lib | something different? |
| 22:02.54 | rev|lib | heh |
| 22:03.21 | treke | http://community.zaurus.com/projects/dtm/ |
| 22:03.32 | rev|lib | ah |
| 22:03.37 | rev|lib | you're the man |
| 22:04.00 | rev|lib | oi |
| 22:04.00 | treke | yeah, they wouldnt want to use the official qtopia solution :) |
| 22:04.21 | rev|lib | i really wish there was an easy way to browse libraries in their binary format in C |
| 22:04.29 | rev|lib | like, crack open an .so and see the API |
| 22:05.10 | rev|lib | *and* |
| 22:05.24 | rev|lib | i wish one of the scripting language had an FFI for exploiting out the APIs you learned about |
| 22:05.45 | rev|lib | tthen linux would actually be good for learning and exploration |
| 22:06.05 | jroad | FFI? |
| 22:06.11 | rev|lib | Foreign Function Interface |
| 22:06.18 | jroad | k |
| 22:06.27 | rev|lib | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.31 | rev|lib | like you do in python and perl |
| 22:06.32 | rev|lib | like |
| 22:06.40 | jroad | ic |
| 22:06.44 | fliplap | bah, now that i have email on my phone i'm even more paranoid about spam |
| 22:06.57 | jroad | hows the 8100 |
| 22:07.12 | treke | fliplap: spam filtering is your friend |
| 22:07.27 | fliplap | i'm diggin it. Had a friend send my some of the old midlets i wrote |
| 22:07.33 | rev|lib | in smalltalk, i can call C functions without having to write any C wrapper- i just define a method as somethingl ike: <apicall name: 'doSomething' args: #(int a double b) lib: 'libspam.so'> |
| 22:08.13 | jroad | rev: ok thx for explanation |
| 22:08.21 | fliplap | just a tip calculator and an sms messenger |
| 22:08.37 | fliplap | i need to write an irc client for it |
| 22:09.17 | jroad | can you sell apps for the phones? |
| 22:09.40 | fliplap | yeah |
| 22:09.50 | fliplap | but why would you, that sucks |
| 22:10.15 | jroad | to make a living i guess |
| 22:10.54 | fliplap | shrug. I doubt i'll make a living charging $5 a head for a tiny java irc client |
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| 22:11.57 | jroad | well maybe a game or something |
| 22:11.59 | fliplap | looks like there already is one, sweet |
| 22:12.44 | treke | rev|lib: That api looks pretty nasty |
| 22:13.14 | rev|lib | treke: well, i made it up |
| 22:13.20 | rev|lib | heh |
| 22:13.25 | treke | rev|lib: not your api. the dtm api |
| 22:13.29 | rev|lib | ahhh |
| 22:13.30 | rev|lib | yes |
| 22:13.32 | rev|lib | don't remind me |
| 22:13.35 | rev|lib | it's crushing my dreams |
| 22:13.39 | rev|lib | i wish i had an XML file or SQL |
| 22:13.56 | rev|lib | it's ugly as hell |
| 22:14.18 | jroad | rev: what are you developing? |
| 22:15.10 | rev|lib | well, in this case, i just want some simple ability to add and remove PIM entries via a script or something |
| 22:15.14 | rev|lib | eventually for some simple syncing stuff |
| 22:16.11 | treke | you mean something like Qtopia 1.6's TodoAccess::AddTask() :) |
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| 22:16.18 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 22:16.21 | rev|lib | the Qtopia API didn't look too bad |
| 22:16.50 | jroad | rev: maybe you can fix the 760 addressbook |
| 22:17.19 | Pendalar | it's alright |
| 22:17.31 | Pendalar | but I'm not too fond of it all the same ;-) |
| 22:17.35 | Pendalar | I'm generally anti-widget |
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| 22:18.09 | rev|lib | well |
| 22:18.19 | rev|lib | i will be "fixing" the address book for the C7x0 and 5500 |
| 22:18.21 | rev|lib | as well as any WinCE PDA |
| 22:18.22 | rev|lib | see |
| 22:18.27 | rev|lib | i'm writing a whole new PDA platform |
| 22:18.33 | rev|lib | although one can run only one app if they want |
| 22:18.39 | rev|lib | e.g. just the PIM apps or just the addressbook |
| 22:18.52 | rev|lib | although the strengths of the system aren't really there if you'rej ust running one app |
| 22:18.56 | rev|lib | or they're not as pronounced |
| 22:19.46 | fliplap | wow this is laggy |
| 22:19.51 | jroad | hmmm |
| 22:20.26 | flipphone | useless |
| 22:26.00 | fliplap | the phone didn't like being port scanned |
| 22:26.17 | rev|lib | heh |
| 22:26.50 | rev|lib | damnit |
| 22:26.54 | rev|lib | that qtopia api is 100x better |
| 22:27.08 | rev|lib | sonuvawhore |
| 22:27.09 | VampireZIM | better than what? |
| 22:27.15 | rev|lib | than the Sharp DTM PIM API |
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| 22:30.53 | fliplap | i'd like to administer a hefty beating to the guy that decided binary format > xml |
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| 22:31.27 | treke | fliplap: that part of itsnt a bad idea |
| 22:31.35 | treke | fliplap: it's the api that is nasty |
| 22:31.42 | ljp | xml doesnt scale very well |
| 22:31.54 | ljp | you mean for the sharp rom? |
| 22:31.58 | fliplap | how big were people making thier address books? |
| 22:32.00 | treke | ljp: yes. |
| 22:32.19 | ljp | well, enterpi\rise people might have a huge addressbook |
| 22:32.30 | treke | but my todolist has had a whole lot of stuff in it |
| 22:32.36 | ljp | and sharp is now targetting enterprise |
| 22:32.56 | treke | over time your calender will grow. |
| 22:33.12 | fliplap | i guess they've got to taget someone |
| 22:33.21 | rev|lib | and get sloowwww |
| 22:33.28 | rev|lib | but the API could be better |
| 22:33.37 | rev|lib | i think they should've gone with an SQL db, binary format |
| 22:33.38 | rev|lib | i mean |
| 22:33.38 | rev|lib | shit |
| 22:33.43 | rev|lib | even Microsoft can manage that |
| 22:33.44 | rev|lib | but nooo |
| 22:33.49 | fliplap | heh |
| 22:33.49 | rev|lib | we get some really fucked up C++ API |
| 22:33.51 | rev|lib | ugly as hell |
| 22:34.24 | ljp | ya, well. I wasnt around to guide them that direction |
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| 22:34.48 | rev|lib | damnit ljp |
| 22:35.07 | ljp | but I am now |
| 22:35.10 | rev|lib | ok |
| 22:35.18 | rev|lib | since sharp is cool with changing everything all the time anyway |
| 22:35.23 | rev|lib | get them to go SQL next revision |
| 22:35.34 | rev|lib | perhaps with legacy support for their fugly API |
| 22:35.37 | rev|lib | which is easily enough done |
| 22:35.55 | ljp | well, dont know about Sharp, but I can poke qtopia around maybe |
| 22:36.09 | rev|lib | you work for trolltech? |
| 22:36.49 | ljp | I do now |
| 22:36.58 | rev|lib | ah\well |
| 22:37.06 | rev|lib | too bad sharp ignores trolltech's PIM ideas |
| 22:37.08 | ljp | although I might not have too much say in the matter |
| 22:37.29 | ljp | I can always suggest |
| 22:38.14 | Bala | no time like the present to start making demands of you employer.. "do it this way or i quit" :) |
| 22:38.34 | treke | Bala: particularly when you dont have a long term visa yet :) |
| 22:38.34 | ljp | hmmm |
| 22:38.38 | Bala | :) |
| 22:38.39 | ljp | haha |
| 22:38.51 | ljp | or am currently only on contract |
| 22:39.07 | Bala | yeah those aussie visa's are a bitch.. |
| 22:39.41 | ljp | well, th elong term one is, the short stay business visa I got over the internet in less than a minute |
| 22:40.01 | Bala | how long does that last?? 6 months? |
| 22:40.08 | ljp | short 3 months |
| 22:40.15 | Bala | ah even shorter |
| 22:40.33 | ljp | but now I am here, it is a bit different to get an extended business |
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| 23:04.48 | Matthew_I | im thinking about buying a 128 mb sd card (ebooks and software) and a 256 mb cf card (music and stuff) for 48 bucks each, first is this a good deal, and second am I going to need more space then that (I doubt that) |
| 23:05.20 | VampireZIM | you can never have enough |
| 23:05.30 | ljp | yes. cf good. |
| 23:05.36 | ljp | sd good |
| 23:05.48 | jroad | i say get at least 256 sd if you use wifi |
| 23:05.51 | VampireZIM | want to buy a C700? |
| 23:06.12 | ljp | I would rather have a c760 |
| 23:06.23 | VampireZIM | why? C700 is so much cheaper |
| 23:06.27 | jroad | ignore vamp he's a Z h8t3r |
| 23:07.09 | ljp | 760 has more things |
| 23:07.14 | VampireZIM | like? |
| 23:07.19 | ljp | bit |
| 23:07.20 | ljp | s |
| 23:07.22 | VampireZIM | faster cpu and a little more ram |
| 23:07.24 | ljp | it has more bits |
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| 23:07.47 | ljp | more bits. more better |
| 23:07.48 | jroad | vamp can i get that opera ipk? |
| 23:08.04 | ljp | :) |
| 23:08.04 | VampireZIM | jr: i sent you the zip and you didnt get it |
| 23:08.06 | Matthew_I | I don't want to spend that much money 256 sd is like 90 bucks and I don't use wifi |
| 23:08.06 | VampireZIM | i dont have the link |
| 23:08.16 | Matthew_I | although I might in the future |
| 23:08.31 | Matthew_I | not the near future though |
| 23:08.45 | Matthew_I | also I attempted to upgrade to opie 1.0, fine that worked, then I upgraded some other stuff, but now I am out of space on root, the result of rm is no space left on device so im stuck |
| 23:08.46 | jroad | i got the lexar 256 with rebate |
| 23:08.57 | Matthew_I | abd what does the full reset button do |
| 23:09.01 | treke | Matthew_I: you have to reflash |
| 23:09.09 | Matthew_I | treke: thought so |
| 23:09.27 | treke | if you run out of space your only option is to reflash |
| 23:09.38 | Matthew_I | treke: and what does the full reset button do? |
| 23:09.48 | treke | I dont know |
| 23:10.17 | Matthew_I | nm on that full reset, I left the batt switch in the wrong place |
| 23:10.42 | jroad | vamp: i never get a dcc box |
| 23:10.56 | VampireZIM | 2bad |
| 23:10.57 | ljp | I ran out of space in my brain once. reflashing really is kinda painful |
| 23:11.59 | Matthew_I | 256 sd card 70 bucks |
| 23:12.04 | jroad | ok thx lol |
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| 23:17.12 | mspencer | OK, this is frustrating. Can't seem to get Nessus to compile. |
| 23:17.35 | mspencer | The instructions say to build four parts: first is nessus-libraries, then libnasl, then the other two. I'm getting stuck on libnasl. |
| 23:18.08 | mspencer | nessus-libraries includes something like a host resolver. When I finish compiling libnasl and it begins to link, the linker complains about unresolved symbols in that resolver thing from nessus-libraries. |
| 23:19.04 | mspencer | nessus-libraries and libnasl are the same version (2.0.7) downloaded at the same time... |
| 23:19.21 | mspencer | my GCC version is only 2.95.1 (zgcc package) |
| 23:25.26 | mspencer | OK, time to clean the system, redownload, reattempt, and hit the mailing list and describe my findings. :) |
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| 23:25.42 | jroad | doh sorry bud i'm not advanced enough to help you |
| 23:33.25 | mspencer | does libSDL work on the C700 (sharp rom)? |
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| 23:34.22 | jroad | yes i believe so |
| 23:34.45 | jroad | i have the doom demo on my 760 that uses libSDL i believe |
| 23:35.03 | jroad | there may be a 7x0 optimized version though |
| 23:50.27 | mspencer | I'm going to make a flash backup just to be safe, but then I'll install SDL. I'll let you know how it turns out :) |
| 23:54.08 | jroad | I have 3 lib SDL files |
| 23:55.09 | jroad | libSDL, libSDL-mixer, libSDL-net ver 1.2.5(2) and 1.2.6(1) |
| 23:55.26 | mspencer | yeah, that's what I just downloaded. I was concerned about the version mismatch... |
| 23:55.35 | mspencer | but the Packages file seems to say 1.2.5 or higher is OK |
| 23:55.42 | jroad | yea i just noticed that |
| 23:55.56 | jroad | but it worked for prboom (doom clone) |
| 23:56.32 | jroad | although, the display is upside down :( |
| 23:56.57 | mspencer | that's fine :) |
| 23:57.05 | jroad | what are you going to use for? |
| 23:57.09 | mspencer | NAND Backup to SD running...this takes forever :) |
| 23:57.25 | jroad | yes at least 30min |
| 23:57.42 | mspencer | I don't know...I miss some of the games from my Agenda VR3. The C700 can't seem to update its screen very quickly, so I wanted to see what other games are out there. |
| 23:58.02 | jroad | you are on 700? |
| 23:58.38 | mspencer | then again, on the VR3 I'd pass time by playing breakout or something. On the C700 I pass time by trying one more frustrating time to get some package to compile. |
| 23:58.39 | mspencer | Yeah |
| 23:58.48 | jroad | haha |
| 23:59.10 | jroad | maybe try the new kernel for speed increase |
| 23:59.24 | jroad | doom runs really quickly on 760 |
| 23:59.40 | jroad | you need to adjust the desktopfile for 640x480 |
