| 00:00.04 | kergoth | of course it does |
| 00:00.17 | kergoth | ARCH gets set to the arch in uname unless you specify otherwise |
| 00:00.23 | kergoth | export ARCH=arm |
| 00:00.28 | kergoth | export CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux- |
| 00:01.01 | George- | george@titanium collie-2.4 $ make xconfig |
| 00:01.01 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.01 | George- | rm -f include/asm |
| 00:01.02 | George- | ( cd include ; ln -sf asm-arm asm) |
| 00:01.04 | George- | make -C scripts kconfig.tk |
| 00:01.06 | George- | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/george/collie-2.4/scripts' |
| 00:01.08 | George- | cat header.tk >> ./kconfig.tk |
| 00:01.10 | George- | ./tkparse < ../arch/arm/config.in >> kconfig.tk |
| 00:01.12 | George- | -: 615: unknown command |
| 00:01.20 | kergoth | and? |
| 00:01.26 | George- | it's failing |
| 00:01.26 | kergoth | general linux kernel thing |
| 00:01.28 | kergoth | has nothing to do with me |
| 00:01.33 | kergoth | like i give a fuck |
| 00:01.36 | George- | heh |
| 00:01.38 | kergoth | it builds fine for everybody else |
| 00:01.41 | George- | It's only happening in collie-2.4 |
| 00:01.44 | kergoth | and theres nothing Z specific about that failure |
| 00:01.48 | kergoth | so? |
| 00:01.58 | kergoth | you seem to be under hte mistaken impression that i care |
| 00:02.06 | mark | hehe |
| 00:02.08 | George- | :) |
| 00:02.44 | kergoth | no, its fucked for _you_ |
| 00:02.47 | kergoth | which i dont care about |
| 00:02.54 | kergoth | works fine elsewhere |
| 00:04.20 | George- | you sure? |
| 00:04.57 | kergoth | oh you're using xconfig? |
| 00:04.59 | kergoth | i dont use xconfig |
| 00:05.27 | George- | right. |
| 00:05.33 | George- | you use menuconfig? |
| 00:05.38 | kergoth | yep |
| 00:05.53 | George- | well, your xconfig is fucked ;) |
| 00:05.58 | kergoth | yes, it is. |
| 00:06.35 | George- | kergoth: you are an absolute asshole |
| 00:06.37 | George- | :P |
| 00:06.48 | mark | xconfig is uselses |
| 00:06.52 | kergoth | George-: tell us something we dont already know |
| 00:07.45 | George- | hrmm |
| 00:07.47 | George- | that's difficult |
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| 00:17.04 | George- | kergoth: in order to get usbnet support on the zaurus side do I just compile in usbnet support in the kernel? |
| 00:18.13 | kergoth | uh |
| 00:18.18 | kergoth | usbnet is a host usb driver |
| 00:18.21 | kergoth | has nothing to do with client |
| 00:18.32 | George- | ? |
| 00:18.47 | George- | I always get confused at this point |
| 00:18.53 | kergoth | usbnet runs on a HOST |
| 00:18.55 | kergoth | aka your desktop |
| 00:19.04 | George- | so what runs on the client? |
| 00:19.08 | kergoth | the Z runs usbd, usb-ether, gadget, some usb ethernet client side driver |
| 00:19.15 | kergoth | usbnet can connect to a number of types of devices |
| 00:19.17 | kergoth | including those 3 |
| 00:19.26 | George- | is that built into the kernel or not? |
| 00:19.32 | kergoth | usbd hasnt been altered to work for the Z in 21 |
| 00:19.38 | kergoth | but its in the sources |
| 00:19.40 | George- | .18? |
| 00:19.42 | kergoth | unusable, it'll fail to compile |
| 00:19.45 | kergoth | what? |
| 00:19.50 | kergoth | .18 is irrelevent |
| 00:19.50 | George- | what about in .18? |
| 00:19.53 | kergoth | usbd isnt in an official kernel |
| 00:19.59 | kergoth | it only exists in patched sources |
| 00:20.05 | kergoth | i added usbd to the 2.4.21 tree |
| 00:20.17 | George- | ok |
| 00:20.19 | kergoth | but again, didnt alter it to work with the Z |
| 00:20.31 | kergoth | just go into system type, under sa1100 implementations, and turn on usb-ether |
| 00:20.34 | kergoth | ta da |
| 00:20.43 | kergoth | thats usbf on the z side, not usbd0 as you're used to |
| 00:21.02 | George- | uh |
| 00:21.05 | George- | ok |
| 00:24.35 | George- | kergoth: the "Support for SA11x0 Network Link Function" thing? |
| 00:27.37 | George- | ahh fuck it |
| 00:27.43 | George- | I can't be bothered to compile my own kernel |
| 00:32.03 | George- | woot |
| 00:32.09 | George- | cacko.biz has 2.4.18 for the 5000D |
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| 00:45.06 | absentia | hey |
| 00:45.16 | absentia | anyone use opera7's hyper/auto browse? |
| 00:45.21 | absentia | it's pretty damn awesome. |
| 00:45.38 | absentia | I wonder how it figures out the correct url to follow |
| 00:46.15 | Pungent | has anyone here compiled from source the SDK for qtopia? |
| 00:46.21 | George- | wahoo, my z doesn't boot |
| 00:46.24 | George- | this is awfully fun :) |
| 00:46.32 | Pungent | and no, I don't want the precompiled binaries |
| 00:46.49 | George- | Pungent: I have compiled an SDK for Qtopia before |
| 00:46.55 | Pungent | I followed the readme in the qtopia sources, but there is a problem with it |
| 00:47.08 | George- | Pungent: didn't use the Sharp qtopia SDK though. I downloaded the source and created it myself |
| 00:47.09 | Pungent | George-: and you succeeded? |
| 00:47.18 | George- | well, yes |
| 00:47.19 | Pungent | ok |
| 00:47.30 | George- | because I downloaded the individual source packages |
| 00:47.54 | Pungent | qt-x11-2.3.2, qte-2.3.2, and qtopia-1.6 |
| 00:48.00 | Pungent | it will not compile |
| 00:48.38 | George- | well, I'm a bit busy at the moment |
| 00:48.39 | Pungent | qtopia is the last thing to compile, and it errors out looking for a method in QWServer that doesn't exist in the qt2 series |
| 00:48.41 | George- | I have a non-booting Z :) |
| 00:48.56 | George- | you probably need qt/e 2.3.4 for Qtopia 1.6 |
| 00:48.57 | Pungent | I found it in the qt3 series |
| 00:49.10 | George- | either that, or Qtopia 1.6 was ported to qt3 |
| 00:49.16 | treke|home | no |
| 00:49.25 | treke|home | it's qt/e 2.3 based |
| 00:49.28 | George- | my last Qtopia SDK was made when it was still called QPE :) |
| 00:49.37 | George- | treke|home: Qt/E 2.3 is out? |
| 00:49.50 | Pungent | George-: its been out |
| 00:49.53 | treke|home | George-: uhm. yes |
| 00:50.02 | Pungent | George-: look at the versions of qt I mentioned above |
| 00:50.15 | George- | oh wait |
| 00:50.21 | George- | wtf am I talking about |
| 00:50.29 | absentia | ha |
| 00:50.30 | Pungent | thats what I was wondering |
| 00:50.33 | George- | Pungent: try 2.3.4? |
| 00:50.50 | Pungent | George-: no, I didn't see it on the qt mirror I was using at that time |
| 00:50.56 | Pungent | one sec |
| 00:51.04 | treke|home | Pungent: use ftp.trolltech.com |
| 00:51.14 | Pungent | treke|home: yea I'm hitting it right now |
| 00:51.27 | Pungent | treke|home: its usually slow so I don't bother with ti |
| 00:52.06 | Pungent | err |
| 00:52.10 | George- | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/pub/qt/snapshots/qt-embedded-2.3.4-snapshot-20030727.tar.gz |
| 00:52.22 | Pungent | snapshot? |
| 00:52.37 | George- | uh, yes |
| 00:52.37 | treke|home | Pungent: ignore george |
| 00:52.40 | George- | ;) |
| 00:52.46 | George- | treke|home: the release isn't there |
| 00:52.46 | Pungent | why would a release of qtopia rely on a snapshot version of qte |
| 00:52.57 | Pungent | yea there is no release of 2.3.4 |
| 00:53.02 | Pungent | 2.3.2 is the highest |
| 00:53.27 | treke|home | actually 2.3.6 is the highest |
| 00:53.35 | Pungent | treke|home: where is that? |
| 00:53.41 | Pungent | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qt/embedded/source |
| 00:53.47 | treke|home | in /qtopia/source along with all of the rest of the releases |
| 00:53.54 | kergoth | its always amusing when people adamently assert statements that are blatently inaccurate |
| 00:54.07 | Pungent | kergoth: what? |
| 00:54.25 | George- | oh fuck, of course |
| 00:54.28 | kergoth | was something unclear? |
| 00:54.29 | absentia | hmmm |
| 00:54.30 | Pungent | treke|home: ah hell, its not in qt/embedded? |
| 00:54.30 | George- | it's in the qtopia/source/ dir |
| 00:54.33 | kergoth | shall i repeat myself? |
| 00:54.35 | absentia | I need to write a file database for my files.... |
| 00:54.36 | absentia | :-/ |
| 00:54.38 | Pungent | god damn |
| 00:54.39 | George- | kergoth: in a bad mood? |
| 00:54.46 | Pungent | kergoth: what did I say? |
| 00:54.47 | kergoth | not particularly |
| 00:54.52 | George- | kergoth: haha |
| 00:54.55 | Pungent | kergoth: what I said was true |
| 00:55.06 | kergoth | 'there is no release of 2.3.4' if blatently inaccurate. |
| 00:55.09 | kergoth | s/if/is/ |
| 00:55.17 | treke|home | kergoth: So uhm. This handwriting mockup is working pretty damn well in qvfb :) |
| 00:55.24 | kergoth | treke|home: nice |
| 00:55.42 | absentia | is python faster to prototype than java? |
| 00:55.50 | Pungent | kergoth: how is that 'blatent'. That release isn't in the qt/embedded directory |
| 00:55.50 | George- | I've bricked my Z |
| 00:55.53 | George- | this is FUN |
| 00:56.08 | absentia | g: good, buy my 700 |
| 00:56.10 | treke|home | of course it cant save it's db, so I have it has to relearn everything when qtopia restarts :) |
| 00:56.45 | Pungent | treke|home: where is that directory on the ftp site? |
| 00:56.56 | Pungent | I can't find a qtopia directory |
| 00:57.00 | treke|home | Pungent: its in /qtopia/source |
| 00:57.11 | Pungent | starting from wherE? |
| 00:57.21 | Pungent | nm |
| 00:57.25 | treke|home | starting from the root |
| 00:57.31 | absentia | heheh |
| 00:57.34 | Pungent | i found what you mean |
| 00:57.45 | Pungent | I'd expect it to be under the qt dir |
| 00:58.15 | treke|home | now you know better |
| 00:58.18 | George- | fuck. bugger. |
| 00:58.27 | George- | BUGGER |
| 00:58.27 | Pungent | since they also have versions of qte in that dir |
| 00:58.49 | Pungent | treke|home: well thank you. I will be compiling that now |
| 00:59.29 | kergoth | lets look up the definition of blatant, shall we? |
| 00:59.57 | Pungent | blatent == obvious |
| 00:59.57 | George- | ibot dict blatent |
| 01:00.01 | George- | wtf |
| 01:00.07 | George- | WHICH FUCKING DICTIONARY ARE YOU USING?!?! |
| 01:00.16 | kergoth | ibot: dict blatant |
| 01:00.20 | kergoth | George-: THE ONE THAT SPELLS THINGS RIGHT |
| 01:00.23 | George- | woops |
| 01:00.24 | George- | ;) |
| 01:00.30 | treke|home | kergoth: He's using british english |
| 01:00.35 | kergoth | treke|home: ah that explains it |
| 01:00.50 | treke|home | yeus. iut. doeus |
| 01:01.00 | George- | no |
| 01:01.05 | George- | it's blatant in english uk |
| 01:01.07 | treke|home | George-: that is nou |
| 01:01.08 | George- | i think. |
| 01:01.14 | kergoth | so it turns out the touchscreen doesnt work worth a shit in 2.4.21 on collie still |
| 01:01.16 | Pungent | hmm |
| 01:01.17 | George- | ibot lart george- |
| 01:01.39 | treke|home | kergoth: eh. Not like you need ts support |
| 01:01.40 | George- | kergoth: what are you going to do about sd on 2.4.21? |
| 01:01.42 | Pungent | kergoth: was I offensively loud? |
| 01:01.46 | kergoth | lacking the tc35143 analog frontend specifications i'm going to have to forward port sharp's modified version of the old ucb1200 drivers |
| 01:01.54 | kergoth | Pungent: loud? |
| 01:01.57 | treke|home | George-: The same thing as last time you asked |
| 01:02.12 | George- | port the ipaq driver? |
| 01:02.16 | kergoth | uhh |
| 01:02.16 | treke|home | yes |
| 01:02.20 | Pungent | kergoth: yes. I'm trying to find out from the definition how I was loud |
| 01:02.22 | Pungent | err |
| 01:02.28 | kergoth | ipaq uses completely different chips |
| 01:02.30 | Pungent | kergoth: s/loud/blatant |
| 01:02.33 | kergoth | 'porting' that driver would be useless |
| 01:02.54 | George- | hrmm |
| 01:03.02 | treke|home | kergoth: Well implement a driver for their mmc driver |
| 01:03.05 | George- | what was the answer last time then? :) |
| 01:03.13 | kergoth | try reading what i say george |
| 01:03.22 | kergoth | the part wher ei say i'm pushing sharps drivers forward to solve the problem |
| 01:03.26 | kergoth | not 15 lines up |
| 01:03.38 | treke|home | ah. not using the hh.o mmc/sd any more? |
| 01:03.50 | kergoth | i'm talking about the touchscreen drivers |
| 01:03.55 | kergoth | i didnt even bring up sdmmc |
| 01:04.10 | kergoth | the collie mmc driver for the hh.o drivers is underway |
| 01:04.10 | treke|home | no, but thats what george's question was about :) |
| 01:04.22 | kergoth | ah |
| 01:06.57 | kergoth | yeah, the plan was always to either make the binary module work or get the hh.o or nico mmc drivers working, since the binary module solution didnt pan out.. |
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| 01:08.40 | George- | hh.o? |
| 01:08.53 | kergoth | handhelds.org |
| 01:08.53 | George- | do any of these solutions support SD? |
| 01:09.02 | kergoth | handhelds.org's mmc drivers do |
| 01:09.10 | George- | nifty |
| 01:09.24 | George- | so my nifty SD card will still work? |
| 01:09.28 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:09.33 | treke|home | no |
| 01:09.43 | treke|home | yours will not. Everyone elses will though |
| 01:09.54 | George- | treke|home: bah :) |
| 01:09.55 | kergoth | oh right, the anti-george bits |
| 01:10.09 | George- | I'll just have to learn C |
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| 01:11.02 | Jawoota | dentonj!! |
| 01:11.27 | dentonj | hey Jawoota |
| 01:11.29 | dentonj | what's up? |
| 01:11.34 | Jawoota | not much |
| 01:11.36 | Jawoota | just chillin |
| 01:11.39 | Pungent | dentonj: this one |
| 01:11.40 | Jawoota | how about you? |
| 01:11.48 | dentonj | I'm here |
| 01:12.58 | George- | kergoth: I thought there was DRM shit regarding the SD init code? |
| 01:15.03 | kergoth | George-: it doesnt touch any of that, just an additional command at card init time |
| 01:15.17 | George- | cool |
| 01:15.27 | George- | and hopefully the hh.o driver isn't shit like the sharp one |
| 01:20.51 | treke|home | we'll just have to be happy we have a driver to use |
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| 01:22.52 | kergoth | George-: if it is, we fix it. |
| 01:23.34 | treke|home | kergoth: you have much experience with the glibc regex stuff? |
| 01:24.27 | kergoth | treke|home: not a lot, just enough to have gotten it to do what it should. I dont exactly recall it fondly either |
| 01:24.31 | George- | kergoth: heh, you can't get much worse than the Sharp driver fucking up on suspends |
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| 01:24.58 | treke|home | George-: define fucking up? |
| 01:25.03 | kergoth | treke|home: the key is keeping track of what needs escaping and what doesnt, since its different than perl's |
| 01:25.06 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:25.14 | absentia | I can give you a worse driver |
| 01:25.16 | absentia | compaq's tru64.. |
| 01:25.23 | absentia | after you umount a filesystem |
| 01:25.25 | George- | treke|home: input/output error on reading/writing to SD |
| 01:25.27 | absentia | the kernel STILL writes to it |
| 01:25.27 | treke|home | kergoth: fun |
| 01:25.32 | kergoth | absentia: aha |
| 01:25.36 | absentia | ie: if you can make the hardware go READ ONLY |
| 01:25.38 | absentia | the system will panic |
| 01:25.39 | absentia | crash |
| 01:25.47 | George- | doesn't happen every suspend, but happens too bloody much :) |
| 01:26.30 | absentia | (ie: you have data on an EMC symm... r1... you umount the fses... to simulte a fail-over ... which puts the r1s in READ ONLY... KERBOOM ... tru64 goes belly up on all systems) |
| 01:28.44 | Pungent | absentia: I've actually never used Tru64, I thought it was discontinued in favor of HPUX |
| 01:28.53 | Pungent | absentia: I've only dealt with HPUX |
| 01:28.54 | absentia | is now |
| 01:29.05 | Pungent | absentia: HPUX sucks too though |
| 01:29.09 | absentia | I've never really dealt with either |
| 01:29.20 | absentia | although I got a job adminning tru64 with 0 experience with it |
| 01:29.20 | absentia | heheh |
| 01:29.39 | absentia | during the interview I reminded the interviewer that I didn't know tru64... he replied "it's ok, no one does..." |
| 01:29.47 | Pungent | absentia: heh. I remotely admin aix, hpux, and solaris |
| 01:30.14 | absentia | I was trying to set up a job like that back in the late '90s |
| 01:30.17 | Pungent | absentia: and of course linux, we are actually starting to migrate the aix stuff over to linux now |
| 01:30.17 | absentia | had a t1 to my house, etc... |
| 01:30.22 | absentia | but no one wanted to allow remote work |
| 01:30.23 | absentia | was lame. |
| 01:30.45 | absentia | we're looking to dump as much MS as possible |
| 01:30.48 | absentia | linux on the desktop, etc. |
| 01:30.53 | absentia | we buy machines from dell |
| 01:30.58 | absentia | with a license, that we can't legally use |
| 01:31.05 | absentia | so we have another license.. that costs us $$$ ... |
| 01:31.06 | Pungent | absentia: ah. I really wish we could get all of our customers off of MS |
| 01:31.12 | absentia | so we basically buy 2x licenses for every pc |
| 01:31.21 | absentia | people are just now figuring this out. |
| 01:31.22 | Pungent | absentia: I also have to admin NT4 and Win2k boxes too |
| 01:31.27 | absentia | not me |
| 01:31.30 | absentia | I refuse to touch that shit |
| 01:32.10 | Pungent | absentia: well, like I said, our customers are all over. My company sells remote monitoring/administration services |
| 01:32.29 | Pungent | absentia: so if they want us to monitor win2k, and they are paying us, we do it |
| 01:32.47 | absentia | nice |
| 01:32.51 | absentia | what's the product? |
| 01:33.01 | absentia | I'm thinking about writing "scottd" ... to do my work for me |
| 01:33.03 | absentia | it's so brain dead. |
| 01:33.12 | absentia | I've automated just about everything I have to do more than once. |
| 01:34.20 | Pungent | what product? |
| 01:34.23 | absentia | in fact, I'm using the excuse of writing sysadmin stuff in python |
| 01:34.25 | absentia | for learning python on work time |
| 01:34.29 | absentia | your product |
| 01:34.46 | absentia | or are those services all manual ? |
| 01:34.53 | absentia | (ie: remote monitoring?) etc. |
| 01:34.58 | absentia | ever heard of NERDd? |
| 01:35.03 | Pungent | ahh I see what you mean now |
| 01:35.19 | absentia | sorry |
| 01:35.22 | absentia | I have trouble with english |
| 01:35.23 | absentia | :-> |
| 01:35.24 | Pungent | we use a program called Big Brother to send the data back to our server |
| 01:35.30 | absentia | I looked at bb |
| 01:35.33 | absentia | it was doa |
| 01:35.35 | absentia | I looked at bs |
| 01:35.38 | absentia | it was still born |
| 01:35.41 | Pungent | its not bad |
| 01:35.45 | absentia | bs is better? |
| 01:35.50 | Pungent | bb |
| 01:35.57 | absentia | still, it's just too nasty to try to customize. |
| 01:35.59 | Pungent | see, bb was chosen before I got there |
| 01:36.06 | Pungent | it can be a pain |
| 01:36.10 | absentia | have you looked at bs? |
| 01:36.19 | absentia | it's backwaqrds compatible with bb |
| 01:36.24 | absentia | and written as a single perl program |
| 01:36.27 | absentia | not 10,000 sh scripts. |
| 01:36.39 | Pungent | actually, one guy and myself is looking at moving to a custom app using SNMP |
| 01:36.55 | Pungent | we have to actually write it an present it to the boss, of course |
| 01:37.29 | Pungent | we also have guys working on custom workflow/collaboration apps using Oracle/Java |
| 01:37.35 | absentia | ya |
| 01:37.40 | absentia | See, I have some stuff that is static... |
| 01:37.52 | absentia | I can make whatever.. but I want something to be live.. but java is just overkill |
| 01:37.59 | absentia | so I'm looking at python / qt |
| 01:38.10 | absentia | pyqt.... the "canvas" demo is all I need to do anything... |
| 01:38.42 | absentia | I'll write a custom app to monitor anything/everything the boss says he wants |
| 01:38.47 | absentia | so I won't have to do it manually. |
| 01:39.11 | absentia | if I ever get time, I'm gonna finish my program to program this shit for me. |
| 01:39.14 | absentia | then I will get really lazy. |
| 01:40.09 | Pungent | heh |
| 01:40.38 | Pungent | I really wish we could get customers off of windows, so I wouldn't be forced to use it as my workstation |
| 01:40.47 | absentia | :-) |
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| 01:40.55 | absentia | customers are stupid |
| 01:41.01 | absentia | I worry 'bout myself. |
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| 01:41.22 | zar | hy all |
| 01:43.41 | absentia | hi |
| 01:44.45 | zar | im usin opieirc on my5500 on the porch while getting drunk ;) |
| 01:45.16 | fliplap | heh |
| 01:45.22 | absentia | nice |
| 01:45.44 | absentia | I often use zic on the zaurus before I go to bed |
| 01:45.53 | absentia | while reading a page or two via netfront |
| 01:46.04 | absentia | I may try opieirc once more. |
| 01:46.17 | absentia | but it's easy for me to just ssh here, and screen back into this session. |
| 01:46.24 | absentia | if I'm gonna be online for a while. |
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| 03:26.08 | Pend-Gone | kergoth? |
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| 03:26.34 | kergoth | yea? |
| 03:26.44 | kergoth | tmm1 tested ts, its fluctuating all over teh place still |
| 03:26.51 | kergoth | pretty much what i expected :\ |
| 03:27.28 | absentia | does the touchscreen only return valid values at certain intervals ? |
| 03:27.29 | Pendalar | did you make a debug image? |
| 03:28.43 | kergoth | absentia: define 'valid' |
| 03:29.12 | absentia | "not all over the place" "inaccurate, as in not reflecting the true values for the coords of a touch screen contact" |
| 03:29.42 | Pendalar | == good ? |
| 03:29.55 | kergoth | i told you already |
| 03:30.09 | kergoth | it fluctuates +-100 pixels |
| 03:30.12 | kergoth | approximately |
| 03:30.28 | kergoth | the amount it flucuates depends on position, but i dont know exactly how |
| 03:30.47 | absentia | ok |
| 03:31.03 | absentia | but is it a set fluctuation at a set place on the screen.... just chatting.... |
| 03:31.09 | Pendalar | kergoth is that a 'no' then? |
| 03:31.13 | kergoth | all areas fluctuate |
| 03:31.25 | kergoth | thats true of any touchscreen, thats why jitter correction exists |
| 03:31.29 | absentia | my first flashes produced a type of "accel" on the coords as I moved toward the edges of the screen... it was strange. :-) |
| 03:31.34 | kergoth | but in this case, its outside the ability to compensate |
| 03:31.43 | Pendalar | do they fluctuate the equal amounts ;-) j/k |
| 03:32.56 | kergoth | the means by which we obtain the values is identical to that of the previous ucb1200 driver implementation in the old kernel trees |
| 03:33.12 | kergoth | but here its flaky, there its reasonable |
| 03:33.16 | W8TVI | the jitter correction must average the data to figure out where the tap is... |
| 03:33.20 | kergoth | it does |
| 03:33.52 | kergoth | you're assuming that we're getting an equal distribution on both sides so that the mean is accurate. it isnt. |
| 03:34.06 | kergoth | actually, maybe it uses the median. i dont recall |
| 03:34.09 | Pendalar | kergoth: I'll assume my question got lost in chat... did you make me a debug image? |
| 03:34.13 | kergoth | no |
| 03:34.15 | kergoth | for what? |
| 03:34.19 | Pendalar | to test collie |
| 03:34.20 | kergoth | i have 5 reports of successful flashes |
| 03:34.31 | Pendalar | remember eariler we were going to see why mine was failing? |
| 03:34.37 | kergoth | so i havent built it |
| 03:34.54 | Pendalar | =-p fine I won't help |
| 03:35.11 | kergoth | okay.. or go build your own kernerl |
| 03:35.16 | kergoth | its not exactly rocket science |
| 03:35.25 | Pendalar | it's beyond what I know at the moment |
| 03:35.54 | W8TVI | finaly! there are job showing up in the paper that look like I might have some chance of gitting |
| 03:35.55 | Pendalar | I just thought since my hardware has worked to flash before and can flash the old image perfectly.. it's possible other people will have the same problem |
| 03:36.47 | kergoth | so have you tested the current image up there? |
| 03:36.51 | kergoth | did you redownload? |
| 03:37.06 | Pendalar | yes |
| 03:37.13 | Pendalar | unless it's changed in the last 8 hours |
| 03:37.19 | Pendalar | in which case I will redownload |
| 03:38.12 | Pendalar | actually I'll redownload for the helluva it |
| 03:38.30 | Pendalar | just to be completely sure |
| 03:38.32 | kergoth | well i'm a bit busy regardless |
| 03:38.36 | kergoth | bbl |
| 03:40.24 | Pendalar | maybe OZ should make md5 refs |
| 03:40.32 | Pendalar | just to be definitive |
| 03:41.41 | W8TVI | isn't there md5 checksums in hte package list? |
| 03:41.41 | absentia | tests collie for what ? |
| 03:41.46 | absentia | collie =700 |
| 03:41.47 | absentia | ? |
| 03:41.56 | Pendalar | 5000/5500 |
| 03:42.13 | Pendalar | W8TVI I mean the images |
| 03:42.25 | Pendalar | at least the experimental ones in this case |
| 03:42.37 | W8TVI | ah |
| 03:43.07 | hcarty | Pendalar: I'd say try redownloading...the file has changed in the last 8 hours I think |
| 03:43.30 | hcarty | I tried a flash b/c I don't need my Z at the moment, and it went ok here |
| 03:43.33 | Pendalar | I am for the hell of it |
| 03:43.46 | Pendalar | I need my Z, but I'm all for helping |
| 03:44.59 | hcarty | Yeah, it wouldn't be an issue here, but I don't have a cf reader yet for my laptop, so if I end without ssh or some other comm. with the Z, i'm out of luck until I get to a store |
| 03:46.24 | W8TVI | hcarty, do to radio shack |
| 03:46.50 | hcarty | W8TVI: Thanks, I'll try to head over tomorrow |
| 03:46.58 | W8TVI | you ca pick up a cf-pcmcia adapter for less than $15 |
| 03:47.13 | hcarty | W8TVI: And re: your earlier comment, good luck on the job search :-) I'm in the same boat |
| 03:47.17 | W8TVI | it even works with cf wifi cards |
| 03:47.20 | hcarty | Excellent thanks |
| 03:47.23 | W8TVI | tnx |
| 03:47.53 | W8TVI | they do have a "6-in-1" usb 2 card reader... |
| 03:48.04 | W8TVI | $50 with a $20 mail-in |
| 03:48.20 | Pendalar | I'm looking for a job here as well, but it's all mill work |
| 03:48.27 | W8TVI | dazzle brand |
| 03:48.38 | Pendalar | shouldn't be too hard to find some life endangering monkey job |
| 03:48.40 | hcarty | W8TVI: Thanks for the info |
| 03:48.45 | W8TVI | but the the pcmcia addapter is cheaper |
| 03:49.58 | Pendalar | I used to have all that jaz.. til my laptop LCD screen caught fire |
| 03:50.24 | W8TVI | ??? |
| 03:51.12 | hcarty | Pendalar: Wow, that's impressive |
| 03:51.15 | Pendalar | I had a compaq lappy... used it for one year and the power connector from the main part to the LCD (being just a metal ribbon) broke.. sparked from one part to the other and caught fire |
| 03:51.19 | Pendalar | 3 days out of warrenty |
| 03:51.43 | W8TVI | ouch |
| 03:51.52 | W8TVI | compaq sucks |
| 03:51.52 | Pendalar | so I took it completely apart for the hell of it.. LCD screens cost too much to fix |
| 03:52.00 | Pendalar | laptop HD internals are so cute though |
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| 03:57.00 | W8TVI | whenever i try to do anything in opie-handwriing, it crashes |
| 04:11.40 | Pendalar | that's weird |
| 04:12.12 | Pendalar | I downloaded the image to my linux box and scp'd it over to my SD, took out wifi, copied to CF.. flashed.. it worked |
| 04:12.34 | Pendalar | rather than WinXP->USB card reader->CF |
| 04:13.07 | Pendalar | I did the calibrate, and it isn't releasing back to the system |
| 04:13.14 | Pendalar | I did the 4 corners as it asked |
| 04:13.26 | Pendalar | but it looks like it's waiting for me to do something else |
| 04:13.50 | Pendalar | ah |
| 04:13.55 | Pendalar | the middle test wasn't drawn |
| 04:14.06 | Pendalar | control-c out and did it again |
| 04:14.11 | Pendalar | this is a ugly way to test ;-) |
| 04:14.50 | Pendalar | ok did the test program.. what do you want kergoth? a paste of the data? |
| 04:14.56 | br33zy | hi Pendalar |
| 04:14.59 | br33zy | thats a lot of lines |
| 04:15.00 | br33zy | :-) |
| 04:15.01 | Pendalar | sup br33zy |
| 04:15.05 | Pendalar | yeah I get lonely |
| 04:15.09 | br33zy | lol |
| 04:15.30 | W8TVI | whenever i try to do anything in opie-handwriing, it crashes. I cant look a the settings, and anything I try to write stays on the screen |
| 04:15.43 | W8TVI | I even tried removing and reinstalling it |
| 04:16.08 | br33zy | brb |
| 04:16.17 | Pendalar | in the end, I never write with the stylus |
| 04:16.21 | Pendalar | seems silly with a keyboard |
| 04:16.38 | W8TVI | but I want everything working! |
| 04:16.40 | W8TVI | :p |
| 04:19.20 | Pendalar | I don't know if it matters or not but on first boot, after testing the TS, I noticed it didn't see my CF card |
| 04:19.28 | Pendalar | when I took it out and put it back in, it did |
| 04:19.45 | Pendalar | usually it made it accessible in the boot process |
| 04:22.19 | Pendalar | my wifi doesn't have any problems as usual |
| 04:23.34 | Pendalar | this is a helluva lot faster |
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| 04:23.46 | Pendalar | almost too fast.. keep overkey'ing |
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| 04:24.30 | hcarty | Pendalar: You're doing better than my flash then...I'm booting to a login prompt |
| 04:24.42 | Pendalar | and.. |
| 04:24.50 | Pendalar | type 'root' <enter> |
| 04:25.01 | Pendalar | it's supposed to do that on the test collie image |
| 04:25.03 | Pendalar | no opie |
| 04:25.04 | hcarty | Yeah |
| 04:25.18 | hcarty | I'm working on seeing if I can make it talk to my laptop |
| 04:25.52 | hcarty | Oops, sorry, misread....I kinda figured there wouldn't be an opie, and found that out after the boot :-) |
| 04:26.33 | Pendalar | I can ssh to my linux box and what not as normal |
| 04:27.09 | hcarty | Pendalar: I'm trying to connect the other way ... linux->Z, and I have to via usb b/c I don't have a cf net card |
| 04:27.42 | hcarty | As I said, I onlt dove into this b/c I don't to use the Z in the near future...not really the brightest thing, but it's interesting |
| 04:27.46 | Pendalar | that's fun.. I didn't do that long |
| 04:27.52 | W8TVI_ | I got a netgear cf card for $55 at circut city |
| 04:28.15 | hcarty | W8TVI_: wired or wireless? |
| 04:28.17 | Pendalar | I bought a wcf11 although it's a good card under OZ, it's way too high drain and blocks the stylus port |
| 04:28.26 | Pendalar | btw kergoth is belkin's wifi supported? |
| 04:28.52 | W8TVI_ | wreless |
| 04:28.55 | Pendalar | heh this kernel is at least 3x as fast as the one on my box (although yes I know thats normal) |
| 04:31.54 | Pendalar | er how do you turn this off ;-) |
| 04:32.04 | W8TVI_ | shutdown? |
| 04:32.10 | W8TVI_ | or |
| 04:32.28 | W8TVI_ | reboot and turn the swich off as it first boots |
| 04:33.36 | Pendalar | heh |
| 04:34.16 | Pendalar | was sort of a poke at the off button not working |
| 04:35.49 | Pendalar | hmm I flipped the battery switch to turn it off and it got stuck with a white screen |
| 04:35.56 | Pendalar | it's been awhile since I got it to do that |
| 04:36.08 | W8TVI_ | werid |
| 04:36.21 | W8TVI_ | hit the reset button |
| 04:36.31 | Pendalar | as best I can tell the light somehow remains on, with the rest of it off |
| 04:36.42 | Pendalar | nah you just hit on again and it starts up like normal |
| 04:36.51 | Pendalar | just the light is already on ;-) |
| 04:37.01 | hcarty | Pendalar: I had that happen earlier as well |
| 04:37.42 | Pendalar | I could do it in OZ 2.x |
| 04:37.48 | Pendalar | iirc anyways |
| 04:38.04 | Pendalar | halting can sometimes produce similiar effects |
| 04:38.23 | Pendalar | where the last image (which is messed up) and the light stays on.. sticks |
| 04:38.44 | hcarty | How odd |
| 04:39.27 | Pendalar | btw is there supposed to be a stuck line from a cross hair at the bottom |
| 04:39.37 | Pendalar | even if I reboot |
| 04:39.41 | Pendalar | and take the battery out? |
| 04:40.12 | absentia | my wcf doesn't work |
| 04:40.20 | Pendalar | looks like the last row of pixels |
| 04:40.29 | absentia | wcf12 |
| 04:40.37 | absentia | wfc12 |
| 04:40.38 | Pendalar | wcf11 works... |
| 04:40.48 | Pendalar | cardctl ident |
| 04:40.52 | absentia | dlink 660w is what I use |
| 04:40.54 | Pendalar | does it see it? |
| 04:41.14 | absentia | ok, going to bed. |
| 04:41.15 | absentia | night. |
| 04:41.19 | Pendalar | 'night |
| 04:41.25 | W8TVI_ | the Zs should be called pico-computers |
| 04:41.45 | W8TVI_ | seeing that desktops are "micro" computers |
| 04:42.00 | Pendalar | pico implies it would be like.. microscopic |
| 04:42.08 | Pendalar | but yeah staying with the term trend.. |
| 04:42.24 | W8TVI_ | no... it'd be picoscopic |
| 04:43.02 | absentia | palmtop |
| 04:43.06 | absentia | I always hated that |
| 04:43.16 | absentia | I want the computer to be in a watch form |
| 04:43.20 | W8TVI_ | laptops would be nano-computers |
| 04:43.31 | absentia | with bluetoothish components... like screen on my glasses |
| 04:43.42 | W8TVI_ | http://www.sunybroome.edu/~mat_dept/current/1142bhl.htm |
| 04:43.43 | absentia | virtual air keyboard and optical input. |
| 04:43.46 | absentia | etc. |
| 04:44.04 | absentia | but I'm quite happy with the zaurus for now. |
| 04:44.15 | W8TVI_ | deca, deci, centi, milli, mirco, nano, pico |
| 04:44.17 | W8TVI_ | me too |
| 04:44.37 | W8TVI_ | I like it far better than my sony sj-20 palmos pda |
| 04:44.45 | Pendalar | ok how can a pixel image stick even after taking the battery out and rebooting |
| 04:44.48 | Pendalar | that *bugs* me |
| 04:45.11 | Pendalar | although if I run ts_test and cancel while the cursor is in the middle, clear will kill it |
| 04:45.12 | W8TVI_ | its still in memory |
| 04:45.21 | Pendalar | apparently clear doesn't clear *all* rows |
| 04:45.33 | Pendalar | just the range which is generally printed upon |
| 04:45.47 | Pendalar | quasibug imho |
| 04:45.56 | W8TVI_ | I want a 100 yottabite harddrive |
| 04:46.25 | Pendalar | yottabite? never heard of it |
| 04:46.37 | W8TVI_ | http://www.metric.fsworld.co.uk/siprefix.htm |
| 04:46.39 | Pendalar | how many T.bytes is that? |
| 04:46.53 | Pendalar | ugh the popups |
| 04:46.56 | W8TVI_ | alot |
| 04:47.01 | W8TVI_ | sorry |
| 04:47.58 | W8TVI_ | 1000x1000x1000x1000 terabites |
| 04:48.26 | Pendalar | sheeeot |
| 04:48.46 | oGMo | "byte" |
| 04:48.55 | oGMo | otherwise you're going to be very full |
| 04:49.06 | W8TVI_ | :P |
| 04:49.18 | Pendalar | maybe be in the technology after linear disks |
| 04:49.19 | W8TVI_ | bites bits whatever! |
| 04:49.31 | W8TVI_ | you knew what I ment |
| 04:49.43 | W8TVI_ | ~lart oGMo |
| 04:50.00 | oGMo | that's a pretty harsh lart :( |
| 04:50.00 | oGMo | ;) |
| 04:50.09 | oGMo | fortunatley, i odn't use windows! ha ha! |
| 04:51.59 | W8TVI_ | I wonder if we are going to have to buy IBM Zauri? |
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| 04:52.38 | firelord | Can someone help me set up ssh key pairs on my SL-5600. I'm not having any luck |
| 04:53.39 | Pendalar | why isn't t. bytes not on there |
| 04:53.51 | Pendalar | oh nm |
| 04:53.56 | Pendalar | looked at the wrong place |
| 04:54.41 | W8TVI_ | heh |
| 04:55.39 | Pendalar | I wonder if an average brain could be rated in the same way drive storage is.. what the average megs/gigs/etc a brain would be |
| 04:55.50 | W8TVI_ | http://members.optus.net/alexey/prefSI.html |
| 04:55.55 | W8TVI_ | theres a better list |
| 04:56.14 | Pendalar | yes |
| 04:56.34 | W8TVI_ | it'b be alot.... the brain is said by some to be a quantum computer of a sort |
| 04:56.56 | Pendalar | I wonder if a centrillion is still the highest 'named' number type |
| 04:57.15 | Pendalar | well as far as 'computing' power, that would be more of a CPU thing |
| 04:57.28 | Pendalar | as far as 'storage' as in how much a human could remember.. |
| 04:57.40 | Pendalar | I doubt it would be much.. especially saved in .txt form ;-) |
| 04:57.46 | Pendalar | 20 mb? |
| 04:58.08 | Pendalar | shuttup man I can replace you with a mini-cd! |
| 04:58.10 | Pendalar | heh |
| 04:58.43 | W8TVI_ | if you go by people that have photografic memories |
| 04:58.51 | W8TVI_ | they can remember alot |
| 05:00.16 | Pendalar | that's why I said 'average' above |
| 05:00.24 | Pendalar | we also have George- on the other end |
| 05:01.39 | hcarty | Goodnight all |
| 05:01.51 | Pendalar | tc |
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| 05:02.23 | W8TVI_ | tera: from Greek teras meaning "monster" |
| 05:02.55 | Pendalar | I have a emachine 1000b which has a 'monster' sticker |
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| 05:03.09 | Pendalar | and I assure you it doesn't have a terabyte drive |
| 05:03.23 | W8TVI_ | kilo: from Greek khilioi meaning "thousand" |
| 05:03.41 | W8TVI_ | mega: from Greek megas meaning "great" |
| 05:03.52 | W8TVI_ | giga: from Greek gigas meaning "giant" |
| 05:04.18 | W8TVI_ | peta: alteration of penta from Greek pente meaning "five" (the fifth power of 103) |
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| 05:04.42 | W8TVI_ | now you know why intel called thier 586 Pentium |
| 05:04.50 | firelord | Can someone help me set up ssh key pairs on my SL-5600? I'm not having any luck. |
| 05:05.18 | Pendalar | I generally don't do key pairs =-p |
| 05:05.39 | W8TVI_ | i like my intel Exeium CPU |
| 05:05.52 | firelord | Pendalar: I need to do it for multisync : |
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| 05:07.57 | Pendalar | I use unison =-p |
| 05:13.59 | W8TVI_ | heh! http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/cuba/6370341.htm keep on truckin' |
| 05:16.07 | W8TVI_ | another good reason not to live in Cali http://www.enigmous.com/index.php?viewid=454 |
| 05:18.51 | treke|home | incorrect |
| 05:19.09 | treke|home | that is another reason to ban all forms of democracy and install me as dictator for life |
| 05:26.55 | mspencer | Well, I got 'ar' figured out. Got binutils to compile on the C700. \o/ |
| 05:27.23 | mspencer | Didn't have to upgrade glibc -- I found some instructions for "how to compile ar when your system doesn't have ar" |
| 05:27.57 | mspencer | then did the full 'make' on binutils -- you should've heard me cheer when it all completed. I was a happy camper. |
| 05:28.04 | mspencer | Until I forgot where I was and typed "make install" |
| 05:28.43 | mspencer | That ended in sorrow. :-) |
| 05:29.45 | W8TVI_ | OSHA recently shut down a building in Georgetown, KY for failing to meet fire safety standards. The building? The local fire station, of course. They also decommissioned three fire truck for low tire treads. |
| 05:46.44 | Pungent | has anyone gotten kpacman to run on OZ? Or MediaPlayer2? |
| 05:47.07 | Pungent | kpacman exits out saying no scheme has been defined |
| 05:47.17 | Pungent | and mediaplayer doesn't tell me anything |
| 05:47.28 | Pungent | it just doesn't run |
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| 06:11.34 | mspencer | OK, here's my test of whether or not my C700 has reached Unix nirvana yet. I'm trying to do a simple ./configure, make, and make install on GNU textutils. Next stop: GCC 3.3 :-) |
| 06:13.28 | mspencer | erm, wait, nix the 'make install', I'll move stripped binaries around by hand when needed :) |
| 06:13.59 | Pendalar | I want 3.3 on 5500 =-p |
| 06:14.22 | Pendalar | although it wouldn't necessarily do anything I need better than whatever it is I have |
| 06:14.28 | Pendalar | 2.9.5? something can't recall |
| 06:14.40 | Pendalar | standard ZGCC ripped and repackaged with a homebrew install script |
| 06:14.51 | Pendalar | since the original ZGCC wasn't an ipk but a .zip |
| 06:14.59 | Pendalar | which contained other zips.. |
| 06:17.29 | mspencer | I'll have that, when I get 3.3 to compile on my C700. (targeted at armv51) and I WILL share :) |
| 06:17.51 | mspencer | Before I know what I'm doing, I'll just put the entire compiled zip up for grabs -- people can pull out just what they want, just what they know what they need. |
| 06:18.07 | mspencer | Then hopefully someone who knows what they're doing can tell me what I need to package and what's just fluff. |
| 06:18.44 | Pendalar | heh |
| 06:19.14 | Pendalar | as long as it's not much more than 40mb or so doubt anyone will care |
| 06:19.22 | Pendalar | prob under 64mb anyways |
| 06:19.33 | Pendalar | as long as it fits on a decently small CF ;-) |
| 06:19.36 | mspencer | yeah |
| 06:20.06 | mspencer | I need GNU textutils before GCC will compile -- the ./configure script uses two utils to decide the endianness and floating-point something-or-other of the current CPU. |
| 06:20.11 | mspencer | very strange, that it has to use textutils. |
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| 06:25.04 | mspencer | holy crap, textutils' ./configure is taking forever! |
| 06:26.50 | Pendalar | heh |
| 06:26.54 | Pendalar | you know you like it |
| 06:27.41 | mspencer | ever had a microdrive? You know how they usually spin up, click for a bit, and spin down again? |
| 06:28.25 | mspencer | When running a large compile, the microdrive heats up quite a bit, and the clicks are constant and random, like a real hard disk. Junior's makin' me proud. :) |
| 06:28.46 | Pendalar | I don't have one of those, but I have had a jaz driver which has done the same |
| 06:29.02 | Pendalar | has a problem where it kills any disk put into it .. called 'click of death' syndrome |
| 06:29.07 | mspencer | fun |
| 06:29.22 | Pendalar | iomega fixed such drives in or out of warrenty for awhile, then fired the guy who made the promise |
| 06:29.30 | Pendalar | and now no longer fix anything out of warrenty |
| 06:29.47 | mspencer | My last two microdrives have all had a problem...I guess you could call it the "stupid user of death" problem. I squished the drives to death -- and still got warranty replacements, twice. :) |
| 06:29.50 | Pendalar | so I have a then-cost $450 drive + $100 per disk bonfire |
| 06:29.58 | Pendalar | lol |
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| 06:30.13 | Floof2 | can someone help me with my sl-5500??? |
| 06:30.15 | Floof2 | plleeaassee |
| 06:30.20 | Pendalar | I want one but a) lil pricy and b) high batt drain |
| 06:30.21 | mspencer | I dont' have one, got a C700...sorry... |
| 06:30.33 | omoore | Floof2: what's the issue? i just joined |
| 06:30.34 | Pendalar | I have a 5500... |
| 06:30.45 | Floof2 | I'm trying to install wellenreiter ipk package |
| 06:30.55 | Floof2 | and keep getting errors |
| 06:31.29 | Pendalar | it's probably a 'new' ipk format used by OZ, and you are running Sharp ROM? |
| 06:31.39 | Floof2 | yes |
| 06:31.45 | Floof2 | just upgraded to ver 3.10 |
| 06:32.00 | Floof2 | it's damn near annoying |
| 06:32.06 | Floof2 | only some ipk packages work |
| 06:32.12 | mspencer | finally done with ./configure |
| 06:32.22 | mspencer | running 'make' on the c700 now -- let's see how long this thing takes :-) |
| 06:32.31 | Pendalar | the easiest suggestion would be 'install OZ'... apart from that, you'd probaly need to extract the new type ipk into the data itself and manually install |
| 06:32.43 | Pendalar | why not crosscompile mspencer? |
| 06:32.52 | Floof2 | install OZ?? |
| 06:33.06 | mspencer | modprobe rubyslippers |
| 06:33.11 | Pendalar | openzaurus, an alternate operating system for zaurus |
| 06:33.15 | omoore | Pendalar: they should have a scrip to do the conversion.. backward/forward.. surely |
| 06:33.29 | Pendalar | you'd have to ask kergy that |
| 06:33.29 | mspencer | I think the new ipkg handles those ar compressed files... |
| 06:33.44 | mspencer | you'd have to install that new ipkg, then if the 'ipkg' command fails use 'ipkg-new' instead. |
| 06:33.51 | mspencer | no GUI though -- you have to use the terminal. |
| 06:33.52 | Pendalar | I know OZ's does, but I don't know if sharp latest can handle ar ones |
| 06:34.01 | Floof2 | i tried the terminal |
| 06:34.04 | Pendalar | perhaps if you update ipkg itself Floof2 maybe |
| 06:34.12 | Floof2 | i did update |
| 06:34.14 | mspencer | it can with the ipkg update |
| 06:34.20 | mspencer | then try using the command ipkg-new |
| 06:34.28 | Floof2 | i'll try that now |
| 06:34.37 | Pendalar | I didn't think Sharp cared about the new format ;-) |
| 06:35.03 | mspencer | well, the compile hasn't bombed out yet :) |
| 06:36.26 | Floof2 | it says ipkg-new command not found |
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| 06:39.09 | mspencer | damn, compile bombed when it got to 'ar'. I somehow would up with the version kergoth gave me in my path ahead of the one I compiled myself...*fixes* *restarts make* |
| 06:39.42 | mspencer | yep, that did it. Made it through the ar and ranlib command lines just fine, continuing to the next directory :) |
| 06:43.39 | mspencer | This compile is actually pretty speedy. But maybe my standards are all screwed up -- my only other linux box is mspencer.net, a pentium 75 :-) |
| 06:47.14 | Pendalar | ouch |
| 06:51.29 | mspencer | hah http://mspencer.net/libfetish.jpg |
| 06:59.22 | Pendalar | so it's working so far? |
| 07:02.05 | mspencer | it just finished textutils. |
| 07:02.43 | mspencer | I'm up against the boss now -- gcc 3.3 itself. Got the special items I was missing...erm, I mean, two tools from textutils and two from binutils I finished earlier...we'll see if even ./configure will finish. |
| 07:03.07 | mspencer | OK, I'm about at the part ./configure bombed at earlier... |
| 07:03.49 | bipolar | the building next to the office burned down |
| 07:03.51 | Pendalar | the suspence =-x |
| 07:03.54 | bipolar | lotsa fun |
| 07:04.02 | Pendalar | suspense |
| 07:04.07 | Pendalar | getting too late.. 3am =-p |
| 07:04.20 | mspencer | wow, it just breezed by both parts it died on before. Cool :) |
| 07:04.41 | Pendalar | if your are going to set fires you really shouldn't talk about it on a forum which everybody and their brother logs |
| 07:05.02 | mspencer | sound advice :) |
| 07:11.11 | mspencer | ok, configure is done, starting make now. Wish me luck ^__^ |
| 07:13.39 | Pendalar | ugh figures.. at the moment of truth |
| 07:13.41 | Pendalar | 'night all |
| 07:13.54 | Pendalar | wify won't play stay-up-all-night anymore |
| 07:14.01 | mspencer | night. (still running, btw :) ) |
| 07:15.13 | treke|home | mspencer: you are a sick sick man |
| 07:21.00 | mspencer | Damnit, the c700 just rebooted on its own, in mid-compile...X__X |
| 07:21.06 | mspencer | I'll turn the swap file back on and try again. |
| 07:31.18 | mspencer | OK, 32 MB swap file on the CF card -- running 'make clean' and starting over...X__X |
| 07:50.16 | mspencer | It doesn't inspire confidence, seeing compiler warnings like "comparison between signed and unsigned" when compiling a compiler. :-) |
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| 08:53.47 | tomimo | mspencer: are you able to compile OZ-buildroot 2.4.6 kernel atm ? |
| 08:54.49 | mspencer | probably -- I'm currently compiling gcc 3.3, and if it can compile gcc I don't think the linux kernel should be a problem. |
| 08:54.59 | mspencer | whoa, gcc 3.3 does java too? cool :) |
| 08:56.07 | tomimo | I'm trying to compile packages with gcc 3.3, but for some reason the current build-root tries to compile the old kernel with gcc-3.3 as well instead of the old 2.95.4 no matter what options I have selected from config ... |
| 08:56.34 | mspencer | do you have a config.site and CONFIG_SITE set accordingly? |
| 08:56.56 | mspencer | Back when I had an agenda I had to use a config.site for the crosscompiler -- maybe that'll help here. Tell it what compiler to use in there. |
| 08:57.10 | mspencer | (agenda as in Agenda VR3) |
| 09:08.53 | tomimo | uh ... I don't think I do, how do you have to set them ? |
| 09:09.23 | tomimo | didn't see any anything about config.site or CONFIG_SITE in buildroot docs |
| 09:14.16 | tomimo | looks like the damn build-system is using incorrect CC-variable for the building of the kernel. Should obviously use GCC2XXX instead of CC (which is GCC-3.3) |
| 09:19.01 | tomimo | ohhoh ... this is funny: >/usr/local/arm/2.95.4/bin/arm-linux-gcc -v |
| 09:19.01 | tomimo | Reading specs from /usr/local/arm/2.95.4/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/3.3/specs |
| 09:19.01 | tomimo | Configured with: ../configure --target=arm-linux --build=i686-linux --host=i686-linux --prefix=/usr/local/arm/2.95.4 --with-gnu-ld --oldincludedir=/usr/local/arm/2.95.4/include --with-headers=/net/alderan/pub/src/openzaurus/buildroot-oz/output/staging/include --enable-languages=c --disable-shared --disable-threads |
| 09:19.01 | tomimo | Thread model: single |
| 09:19.02 | tomimo | gcc version 3.3 |
| 09:19.18 | tomimo | and I thought I got it from openzaurus.org |
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| 14:18.57 | George- | ibot: uptime |
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| 15:25.17 | absentia | re |
| 15:26.15 | George- | woot |
| 15:26.25 | George- | I like the new "Reconfiguring all packages installed to root" thingy ;) |
| 15:30.42 | noidd | nice init |
| 15:31.13 | nofpu | which rom is that George-? |
| 15:31.28 | George- | nofpu: mickeyl's |
| 15:31.41 | George- | noidd: I like the little counter :) |
| 15:31.46 | noidd | current buildroot I assume? |
| 15:31.51 | noidd | yeah - shweet eh? |
| 15:32.04 | nofpu | ah, right |
| 15:32.10 | noidd | I built my first ROM image about a week ago |
| 15:32.14 | noidd | it is rather sexy |
| 15:32.25 | noidd | oe is going to be shweeter tho |
| 15:32.28 | George- | noidd: yeh, buildroot from 23rd by the looks of it |
| 15:32.54 | noidd | can you do me a favour - since you've got it up |
| 15:33.34 | noidd | can you email me /etc/init.d/opie |
| 15:33.46 | noidd | from that image for me please :-) red@criticalintegration.com |
| 15:33.49 | noidd | ta :-D |
| 15:34.13 | George- | noidd: bastard. |
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| 15:35.01 | George- | noidd: can't I just stuff it to you via query? |
| 15:35.36 | noidd | sure |
| 15:35.39 | noidd | thats fine |
| 15:35.48 | noidd | just remember to do it a FEW lines ata time |
| 15:35.51 | George- | just emailed it |
| 15:35.51 | noidd | or you will flood off |
| 15:35.53 | sashz | night!!! |
| 15:35.55 | noidd | thanks a lot |
| 15:35.58 | noidd | appreciated |
| 15:36.03 | George- | you owe me a favour now |
| 15:36.08 | George- | so go out and buy me a C760. |
| 15:36.16 | nofpu | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.34 | George- | nofpu: You didn't email him stuff! |
| 15:39.10 | nofpu | mail -s hi red@criticalintegration.com < /dev/null ;) |
| 15:39.12 | nofpu | sure I did |
| 15:39.56 | nofpu | ok not really :) |
| 15:42.22 | noidd | thanks George- |
| 15:42.34 | George- | noidd: what about the C760 |
| 15:42.35 | noidd | any problems with the image George- ? |
| 15:42.45 | noidd | or everytying work swimmingly? |
| 15:43.56 | George- | noidd: all working perfectly |
| 15:44.03 | noidd | thanks |
| 15:44.12 | George- | and my C760? |
| 15:44.16 | noidd | thats cool - I wonder why I had datainput problems with mine then |
| 15:44.20 | noidd | I'll build it again |
| 15:44.28 | noidd | maybe I broke something |
| 15:44.39 | noidd | bugger the maybe - i'm sure I broke somethjing :-) |
| 15:44.53 | George- | haha |
| 15:45.06 | George- | so long as you don't roger me to death, I'm happy. |
| 15:45.15 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 15:45.15 | George- | hiya kergoth |
| 15:45.19 | George- | oh dear. |
| 15:45.40 | noidd | I do want a C760 |
| 15:45.46 | sashz | kergoth here? |
| 15:45.53 | noidd | but I also want a 21" 1600x1200 LCD monitir |
| 15:45.55 | kergoth | yeah |
| 15:46.04 | noidd | 799$ vs 1320$ |
| 15:46.05 | sashz | news about ati w100 :) |
| 15:46.06 | noidd | hmmm |
| 15:46.18 | kergoth | what news? |
| 15:46.41 | George- | kergoth: testing and unstable feeds for OZ are fucked ;) |
| 15:47.04 | kergoth | so talk to bipolar |
| 15:47.05 | George- | kergoth: when doing "ipkg upgrade" it hangs on qpf-bitstream-vera-full or something |
| 15:47.09 | kergoth | i dont maintain the testing/unstable feed |
| 15:47.12 | kergoth | hang is jffs2 |
| 15:47.16 | George- | kergoth: ok |
| 15:47.16 | kergoth | 2.4.6 kernel issue |
| 15:47.21 | George- | bugger. |
| 15:47.28 | George- | We need a new kernel! |
| 15:47.30 | George- | lol |
| 15:49.03 | noidd | I am looking forward to the new 2.6 kernel series - there is some really nice new stuff going in |
| 15:49.49 | noidd | but I don't envy kergoths job in porting it - although according to the write-ups i've seen - it has the arm stuff in already - so maybe no (less) patching required |
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| 15:51.07 | kergoth | i've booted 2.5.x on collie before |
| 15:51.30 | kergoth | wasnt that tough getting it operational, it'll be fun to make use of some of the cool things in the 2.[56] trees |
| 15:51.38 | noidd | indeed |
| 15:51.53 | noidd | some of those features on a pda will be sick :-D |
| 15:54.31 | George- | kergoth: like SMP? |
| 15:56.53 | noidd | like UML |
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| 16:13.12 | George- | wtf |
| 16:13.16 | George- | the hardware keys don't work |
| 16:13.43 | kergoth | remove the & after the calls to qpe in /etc/init.d/opie |
| 16:16.08 | George- | uh, ok |
| 16:16.18 | George- | any particular reason that they were disabled or whatever? |
| 16:17.21 | George- | including the calls to opie-login? |
| 16:21.57 | George- | kergoth: thanks! the buttons are working again! |
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| 16:24.23 | George- | phoen][x: I SNEAK PAST............ |
| 16:25.19 | phoen][x | the channel name lit up red and i knew it was george |
| 16:25.24 | phoen][x | and i was not wrong |
| 16:27.37 | George- | haha |
| 16:29.06 | phoen][x | hows your tibook doing? |
| 16:29.23 | George- | fine |
| 16:29.27 | George- | working perfectly |
| 16:29.43 | phoen][x | strange things occur |
| 16:29.59 | George- | heh |
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| 16:50.28 | mspencer | Well damn...I just woke up, and my gcc 3.3 compile (in-place on the C700) failed. |
| 16:51.07 | mspencer | crtstuff.c:285: internal compiler error: in redirect_edge_and_branch, at cfgrtl.c:914 \ Please submit a full bug report. |
| 16:52.01 | absentia | hahha |
| 16:52.07 | absentia | I just broke opera or did something |
| 16:52.12 | absentia | it just opened 60 copies of the current screen |
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| 16:53.34 | noidd | nice mspencer |
| 16:54.34 | noidd | so, mspencer - any idea if the C760 is going to hit US shores? |
| 16:54.55 | noidd | I don't care about the UK anymore - I actually emmigrated :-D |
| 16:57.02 | wijnand | man you must really love the Z if you emigrate for it :P |
| 16:58.27 | mspencer | oh wait a minute, I've been running with that cache erratta bug fix disabled kernel -- maybe I should reflash back to the stock C700 kernel and try again, in case it's related to that. |
| 16:58.59 | mspencer | if that fixes this, I'm going to be doing a lot of recompiling the stuff I just compiled, to be safe. |
| 17:00.07 | noidd | you doing native compilations? |
| 17:00.18 | mspencer | yeah |
| 17:00.33 | mspencer | using native gcc 2.95.1 to build native gcc 3.3 |
| 17:01.00 | mspencer | my other linux box is a pentium 75 :) |
| 17:02.12 | noidd | haha |
| 17:02.19 | noidd | I read about that :-) |
| 17:02.29 | noidd | want a shell account on my dev box? :-P |
| 17:02.48 | mspencer | naah, this is fine :) |
| 17:03.08 | mspencer | I think I have vmware with linux on this desktop, but I'd rather use the old slow thingey |
| 17:03.31 | noidd | compilation must be horrifically slow on a Z |
| 17:03.44 | noidd | don't spose the C760 has an MMU or FPU does it? |
| 17:04.00 | mspencer | it's not so bad...doesn't cause me any pain. |
| 17:04.16 | mspencer | I think it's got both -- just not a particularly fast fpu...not sure... |
| 17:04.44 | noidd | sharp should have put in some 3d support :-) |
| 17:04.53 | sashz | in C760? |
| 17:05.06 | sashz | here nothing any changes, all like C700 |
| 17:05.07 | noidd | yeah - i'm being semi-scarcastic |
| 17:05.23 | sashz | only CPU PXA 255 |
| 17:05.29 | noidd | hehe |
| 17:05.31 | noidd | indeed |
| 17:05.56 | noidd | batte of a few seconds |
| 17:06.09 | mspencer | I think the c700 screen is incapable of updating the whole screen faster than about 3 or 4 times a second though. |
| 17:06.57 | noidd | ah, a pointless exercise then |
| 17:07.04 | sashz | ati w100 chip have 2d acceleration and yuv overlay support, but fucking ati cant give any specification for this chip |
| 17:07.11 | noidd | just the thought of a 3d desktop for a handheld |
| 17:07.37 | noidd | with such small real-eastate - I could see the third dimension comming in useful |
| 17:08.08 | mspencer | I believe the overlay part -- I just believe there isn't enough bandwidth between something and something else, and it just plain can't push a whole screen of graphical data somewhere it needs to, fast enough. |
| 17:08.20 | sashz | ask ati replace w100 to radion ;) hehehe |
| 17:08.29 | mspencer | OW OW OW MY HAND! X__X |
| 17:08.42 | mspencer | The Radeon, it BURNS! |
| 17:09.03 | mspencer | and my battery's already dead now! X__X (or something like that) |
| 17:09.12 | sashz | okok rage3d :) |
| 17:09.35 | _Psycho | radeon take 50W,nvidia fx thingie 200W |
| 17:09.36 | _Psycho | ! |
| 17:10.05 | sashz | hss, so via s3 prosavage |
| 17:10.09 | mspencer | you know how fast 50W will kill a 3.7V 850 mAh battery? :-) |
| 17:10.29 | _Psycho | just plug it on the wall ! |
| 17:10.31 | sashz | have ups ;) |
| 17:10.40 | mspencer | 3.7V * ?? A = 50W. How many amps? *gets out calculator* |
| 17:10.50 | mspencer | so 13.5 amps. |
| 17:11.10 | noidd | haha |
| 17:11.10 | mspencer | 0.85 amp-hour would last for one hour on a 0.85 amp load. |
| 17:11.54 | mspencer | so a 50 watt load would drain that battery all by itself in 3 minutes and 47 seconds. |
| 17:12.00 | noidd | about 3 mins, 46 seconds |
| 17:12.06 | _Psycho | =p |
| 17:12.28 | _Psycho | But you can get 1600fps on quake3 on your pda ! |
| 17:12.30 | _Psycho | =p |
| 17:12.49 | wijnand | lol you can run quake3 on the thing? |
| 17:12.52 | mspencer | nope :) |
| 17:15.10 | mspencer | also, the c700's wall wart tops out at 5 V at 1A. |
| 17:16.14 | mspencer | so you CAN'T run that from the adapter -- it would start draining the battery to compensate for the power shortage, and your game would be interrupted by that little "charge the battery" window in very short order, AC adapter notwithstanding. |
| 17:16.35 | _Psycho | *sniff* but yeah |
| 17:17.37 | mspencer | so basically, any load that drains the battery any faster than 51 minutes is pulling power too fast for the rated output of the wall wart. |
| 17:18.22 | _Psycho | i think my wireless card drain my c700 battery in like 25 min max :) |
| 17:19.03 | mspencer | when do you call it drained? Do you wait for it to power itself off? |
| 17:19.29 | _Psycho | kinda |
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| 17:19.53 | mspencer | Driving back from Illinois using the C700 as an mp3 player with my homebrew battery pack...just using one set of D cells though... |
| 17:19.54 | _Psycho | you telling me you can browse web 1 hour with your wireless card on ? |
| 17:20.13 | _Psycho | mp3 last like 8 hours when i close the screen |
| 17:20.16 | mspencer | I noticed when the external batteries drained so far, they couldn't deliver power fast enough for the charging circuit to actually charge. |
| 17:20.39 | _Psycho | maybe more 6 hours anywy long enough |
| 17:20.52 | _Psycho | i should be myself some battery pack someday |
| 17:20.56 | mspencer | Maybe it was the little trickle of current from the batteries postponing the inevitable, but from when I could no-longer touch screen buttons to change the song due to that charge-the-battery message, I still got about 30 minutes of music. |
| 17:20.57 | _Psycho | buy* |
| 17:21.06 | mspencer | build one like mine. :) |
| 17:21.25 | _Psycho | i know i remember |
| 17:21.28 | _Psycho | but im too lazy |
| 17:21.42 | mspencer | takes some effort and total about $150, but you get *days* of runtime. It even fits pretty conveniently in one pocket of a bookbag... |
| 17:22.09 | _Psycho | i would rather buy some cheaper battery pack i saw i guess |
| 17:22.14 | mspencer | I had to recharge about once every 2 to 3 weeks. |
| 17:31.05 | noidd | D cells, heh |
| 17:31.13 | noidd | why don't you just use a car-battery :-) |
| 17:36.03 | armin | can anyone help me install openzaurus? I juat got my 5500 and i tried flashing it, but i just get a openzaurus bootsplash with a blinking cursor. What do I need to do to fix this? |
| 17:37.32 | mspencer | that's normal up to about, what, 20 minutes? Give it some time. |
| 17:37.51 | armin | well, i left it for a few hours |
| 17:37.55 | mspencer | oh, n/m |
| 17:38.05 | armin | but it hasnt shown me anything other, so far |
| 17:38.13 | mspencer | and car batteries are usually not sealed, can leak acid...very heavy...but about 100 times the capacity of what I've got. |
| 17:38.32 | mspencer | C700's battery: 0.85 amp-hours. My battery pack: 18 amp-hours. Car battery: 150 to 200 amp-hours. |
| 17:38.52 | mspencer | OK 10 times the capacity of what I've got :) |
| 17:39.49 | _Psycho | armin hmm well you checked the faq ? make sure the filenames are ok |
| 17:40.44 | armin | _Psycho: yea, everything seems to be fine, md5 sums work out too |
| 17:41.58 | George- | /dev/mtdblock4 14.1M 13.8M 352.0k 98% / |
| 17:41.59 | George- | ack. |
| 17:42.05 | George- | AARRRGGGHHH |
| 17:42.09 | _Psycho | your CF is formated vfat ? |
| 17:42.25 | armin | _Psycho: i guess, i just bought it yesterday |
| 17:42.28 | _Psycho | Make sure the kernel name is "zImage" |
| 17:42.43 | _Psycho | and the ohter initrd.bin |
| 17:42.50 | _Psycho | yeah should be fine |
| 17:43.27 | _Psycho | else hmm make sure your AC adaptor is plugged (i doubt it flash anyway if its not) |
| 17:43.34 | _Psycho | and like thats should work ;) |
| 17:43.44 | _Psycho | I dont have a 5500 but the c700 is quite easy |
| 17:43.56 | armin | root@arminhammer flash 2 files 7.4Mb $ ls -l |
| 17:43.56 | armin | total 7472 |
| 17:43.56 | armin | -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 6747559 Jul 26 11:40 initrd.bin |
| 17:43.56 | armin | -rwxr--r-- 1 root root 902540 Jul 26 12:01 zImage |
| 17:44.05 | George- | _Psycho: well, vfat is case insensitive ;) |
| 17:44.32 | George- | armin: do you have a CF card reader? |
| 17:44.38 | _Psycho | what image you used ? |
| 17:44.43 | _Psycho | 3.2 armin ? |
| 17:44.51 | armin | i do |
| 17:44.52 | armin | 3.2 |
| 17:45.05 | armin | i tried two zimages |
| 17:45.59 | _Psycho | initrd.bin is supposed to be bigger |
| 17:46.17 | _Psycho | initrd.bin |
| 17:46.17 | _Psycho | md5: 6a1b4e22bfe14e92d348b4d98ed8a32c |
| 17:46.18 | _Psycho | 14464Kb |
| 17:46.22 | armin | yea i guess it is |
| 17:47.16 | armin | ahh |
| 17:47.29 | armin | ok, i put it on the cf card, let me try flashing now |
| 17:47.43 | _Psycho | I think it had something to do with the 8 megs missing =p |
| 17:48.00 | armin | yea, thanks for pointing that out ;) |
| 17:52.19 | armin | yay! |
| 17:52.23 | armin | its working |
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| 18:02.41 | armin | ok, now i have another problem |
| 18:03.07 | armin | i cant ssh or ftp into the zaurus, i get permission denied, even though i just changed the password |
| 18:03.46 | armin | i had this same problem with the first rom |
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| 18:12.47 | armin | anyone? |
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| 18:42.30 | Drakkoth | Anyone had any luck building a working kernel for a C760 (shepherd) ? |
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| 18:44.28 | kergoth | Chairman: c760 is husky not shepherd, and yes. |
| 18:45.23 | George- | oooh, kergoth is being clever |
| 18:45.26 | George- | :) |
| 18:45.43 | Chairman | kergoth: what? |
| 18:45.57 | kergoth | Chairman: was some part of my statement unclear? |
| 18:46.05 | George- | kergoth: btw it was Drakkoth that said it, not Chairman |
| 18:46.08 | George- | mwahahhaa |
| 18:46.10 | kergoth | ah |
| 18:46.17 | George- | ibot lart Drakkoth |
| 18:46.17 | kergoth | mistabcomplete |
| 18:46.17 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:46.23 | Chairman | hehe |
| 18:46.24 | George- | fool! :) |
| 18:46.39 | Drakkoth | Whoops.... |
| 18:46.57 | George- | ahh, the silent majority wakes up |
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| 19:41.56 | malfman | the convertion mentioned in several howtos is kinda stupid (i.e. modifying every *.desktop with vi), a "find -name *.desktop -exec sed -e 's/^Name.ja.*$//g' {} > {}.tmp;mv -i {}.tmp {} \;" is imho much more elegant |
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| 20:33.43 | absentia | re |
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| 20:50.09 | mspencer | oh hey, kergoth... |
| 20:51.17 | mspencer | I think I'm stuck. Trying to compile gcc 3.3 using 2.95 (dot something), I get an internal compiler error (ICE) on something inside gcc/ -- any idea what I can do about that? Try to compile another version and then use THAT to compile 3.3, perhaps? |
| 21:18.05 | mspencer | the 3.2.3 tarball is *still* untarring... |
| 21:19.19 | TheMasterMind1 | why don't you use an existing toolchain |
| 21:19.50 | mspencer | like 2.95.1? |
| 21:19.54 | TheMasterMind1 | no |
| 21:19.55 | TheMasterMind1 | 3.3 |
| 21:20.05 | TheMasterMind1 | www.openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/ |
| 21:20.08 | mspencer | oh, on my pentium 75 linux box? |
| 21:20.29 | TheMasterMind1 | um. what exactly are you trying to do |
| 21:21.15 | mspencer | eventually, compile mencoder so I can convert 180 MB DivX AVI's into 60 MB mpeg-1's compatible with the C700's media player. |
| 21:21.33 | TheMasterMind1 | ... |
| 21:21.36 | mspencer | I work in a bank -- Zaurus CPU time is free CPU time I wouldn't be able to replace with any other machine. We've been over this "pointless why bother" topic before. |
| 21:21.39 | TheMasterMind1 | you want mencoder for your Z? |
| 21:21.58 | absentia | free cpu time? |
| 21:22.02 | absentia | what, are you in soviet russia ?> |
| 21:22.22 | mspencer | not exactly -- I want to *compile* mencoder, and I want to be able to brag on my Zaurus and claim that it's capable of compiling both gcc 3.3 *and* mencoder. |
| 21:22.29 | mspencer | heh |
| 21:22.41 | TheMasterMind1 | oh |
| 21:22.51 | TheMasterMind1 | well, have fun |
| 21:23.01 | mspencer | thanks -- sorry if I concerned you. |
| 21:31.54 | mspencer | http://mspencer.net/libfetish.jpg -- I AM easily amused by these things though :) |
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| 22:09.22 | karusker | can anyone help me to get ogg and mp3 files to play on openzaurus? |
| 22:09.59 | W8TVI | karusker: nope your beyond help |
| 22:10.02 | W8TVI | :P |
| 22:10.18 | karusker | W8TVI: dammit! |
| 22:10.24 | karusker | ;) |
| 22:10.24 | W8TVI | you need opie-mediaplayer 2 and the two skin packages |
| 22:10.46 | karusker | W8TVI: i click on it though and it shows the loading thing, then doesnt do anything |
| 22:11.52 | karusker | where do i get the skin packages? |
| 22:12.18 | W8TVI | from he same feed you get the mediaplayer2 |
| 22:12.38 | karusker | opie-mediaplayer2_0.9.1-20020905_classic_rom_arm.ipk and opie-mediaplayer2_0.9.1-20020905_retail_rom_arm.ipk? |
| 22:13.06 | W8TVI | nope |
| 22:13.27 | karusker | those are the only other two packages i can find on that feed |
| 22:13.41 | karusker | http://arachni.kiwi.uni-hamburg.de/~harlekin/op2/ |
| 22:13.42 | W8TVI | use the stable oz feed |
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| 22:13.59 | karusker | where? |
| 22:14.20 | W8TVI | oz website |
| 22:14.45 | PenZ | new collie test image yet? |
| 22:15.59 | metal | I'm having a hard time getting any sound to play on my zaurus |
| 22:16.24 | metal | it was working fine with the sharp roms, but under OZ, the best I can get is some blank noise |
| 22:17.05 | PenZ | the util which uses sound would have to be designed for OZ as the sound system has changed |
| 22:17.16 | TheMasterMind1 | metal: read the OZ faqs |
| 22:17.21 | PenZ | to /dev/dsp rather than the sharp hack |
| 22:17.44 | PenZ | TMM1 since kergoth is out, do you know? |
| 22:17.56 | PenZ | he said you was testing iirc |
| 22:17.59 | metal | I've tried catting stuff straight to /dev/dsp, no luck |
| 22:18.02 | mspencer | those hackers :) |
| 22:18.45 | PenZ | how did it go last night mspencer? |
| 22:19.35 | mspencer | got an internal compiler error. I'm now trying to do 3.2.3 from 2.95.1. If that fails I'll go back a couple more versions and try again. |
| 22:19.56 | PenZ | kinda vague error |
| 22:20.12 | PenZ | real helpful I'm sure ;-) |
| 22:20.44 | W8TVI | karusker: http://www.openzaurus.org/official/stable/feed/ |
| 22:24.22 | mspencer | oops, forgot to turn the swapfile back on before starting gcc 3.2.3's make :) |
| 22:24.57 | PenZ | guess no new image.. I can't check via this test image wellllll |
| 22:25.00 | PenZ | crap |
| 22:25.09 | PenZ | this kernel is too fast heh |
| 22:25.28 | PenZ | hold down a key for half a sec and it does it 10 times |
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| 22:45.09 | George- | hi all |
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