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| 00:04.19 | W8TVI | d'oh |
| 00:04.47 | W8TVI | he left before I could ask me where... |
| 00:05.05 | W8TVI | is anyone confused? |
| 00:06.25 | W8TVI | stable current? |
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| 00:07.10 | W8TVI | treke: what feed? |
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| 00:07.41 | Taekero | woo, got my 5600 :) |
| 00:07.53 | W8TVI | cool |
| 00:08.04 | treke | W8TVI: Wherever you get the rest of opie from |
| 00:08.15 | W8TVI | k |
| 00:10.21 | W8TVI | thanks |
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| 00:15.52 | W8TVI | treke, using the "current" package for opie-taskbar didn't fix the problem |
| 00:16.03 | W8TVI | is that to be expected? |
| 00:16.08 | treke | That depends |
| 00:16.11 | treke | what is the problem |
| 00:16.46 | W8TVI | the keyboard doesn't work right... it just puts junk on the screen |
| 00:17.06 | treke | opie-taskbar isnt going to fix that |
| 00:17.28 | W8TVI | it looks like its bleeding thrugh |
| 00:17.33 | W8TVI | cli |
| 00:17.37 | treke | edit /etc/init.d/opie |
| 00:17.49 | treke | remove &'s from the ends of the lines that start opie |
| 00:17.55 | W8TVI | ok.. |
| 00:17.58 | W8TVI | I'll try that |
| 00:18.01 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.17 | treke | kergoth: Eh whatever |
| 00:18.21 | W8TVI | I'm glad scp workds with the z |
| 00:19.36 | treke | ~lart kergoth for the opie build system |
| 00:19.39 | W8TVI | $SSHAGENT $OPIEDIR/bin/qpe 2>/dev/null >/dev/null & |
| 00:19.40 | W8TVI | ? |
| 00:19.42 | treke | yes |
| 00:19.52 | W8TVI | ok |
| 00:19.58 | W8TVI | and the one below it |
| 00:22.27 | W8TVI | lets see if it worked... |
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| 00:23.11 | W8TVI | alright! |
| 00:23.27 | W8TVI | why does the "&" mess it up? |
| 00:23.28 | treke | someone should beat the bastard that broke it |
| 00:23.45 | W8TVI | thanks treke |
| 00:24.28 | W8TVI | I reported two bugs in opie-addressbook and they were fixed the next day |
| 00:24.51 | W8TVI | now I can beam my biz card and to comes thru |
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| 00:28.29 | W8TVI | ~lart peer |
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| 00:42.05 | W8TVI | ibot: w8tvi |
| 00:42.06 | | from memory, w8tvi is a luser that asks too many questions |
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| 01:24.48 | sharpie | startx |
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| 01:25.30 | sharpie | woops, wrong kvm switch. now everybody knows my root password |
| 01:25.36 | sharpie | :) |
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| 04:28.09 | mspencer[away] | my attempts to compile gcc 3.3 using gcc 2.95.1 isn't going too well. busybox's version of 'ar' isn't ar'ing very well. |
| 04:28.20 | mspencer[away] | arrrrrrrrrrrrrr! |
| 04:28.28 | W8TVI_ | lol |
| 04:29.14 | mspencer | my evil plan goes something like this: get updated 'ar' ---> compile updates binutils ---> compile updated gcc ---> compile mencoder ----> watch anime at work! Share anime with coworkers! |
| 04:29.20 | mspencer | erm updated |
| 04:29.39 | W8TVI | 3. profit! |
| 04:29.47 | mspencer | and all of this compilation must happen *on* the zaurus. Because I'm a masochist. |
| 04:29.56 | mspencer | with a microdrive. |
| 04:32.42 | kergoth | mspencer: man |
| 04:32.47 | kergoth | mspencer: you have far too much time on your hands |
| 04:34.21 | treke|ho1e | seriously |
| 04:35.43 | djr | hehe, far too much is an understatement |
| 04:50.02 | mspencer | damn, you're right, I should stop. |
| 04:50.27 | absentia | rofl |
| 04:50.32 | absentia | I did a few hcc compiles on the zaurus |
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| 04:51.05 | djr | i tried to compile wget on the Z... i was able to download it, configure it, compile it, and install it on my other computer before it even finished configuring on the Z |
| 04:51.20 | mspencer | I work in a bank |
| 04:51.31 | djr | ms. pencer? |
| 04:51.58 | mspencer | move the period forward one character :) I mean by that...I have several hours of evening call center time when there's not much to do, and very limited machine access for technical things. |
| 04:52.06 | absentia | I work in a bank |
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| 04:52.34 | mspencer | No internet connection for the Z at all -- that's plenty of time for long compiles. 10 hours of Z CPU time is better to me than 0 hours of ANY computer's cpu time. |
| 04:53.12 | absentia | agreed |
| 04:53.18 | djr | you could always play games on the Z though |
| 04:53.38 | djr | i play a lot of snes and nes roms on it |
| 04:53.45 | mspencer | or watch movies. OH DAMN, that's right...still working on that. :) |
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| 04:55.18 | absentia | mame is unusable |
| 04:55.20 | absentia | far too slow |
| 04:55.28 | absentia | can't get > 25% speed on the games. |
| 04:55.46 | absentia | I need to track down some more mame roms. |
| 04:55.50 | djr|z | i dont use mame |
| 04:56.10 | absentia | ah |
| 04:56.31 | djr|z | i have all the snes and nes roms |
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| 05:06.43 | mspencer-c700 | I forgot -- which openzaurus ipk has a non-busybox ar in it? |
| 05:06.45 | mspencer-c700 | I can't find one named anything obvious like 'binutils'... |
| 05:06.45 | kergoth | it would be binutils.. but i dunno if a target binutils package is being built |
| 05:06.48 | mspencer-c700 | do you have one? Can I beg for a copy? :-) |
| 05:07.24 | mspencer-c700 | Thats the only piece (so far) between me and bootstrapping a full gcc 3.3 on the Z |
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| 05:08.34 | Pendalar | sweet |
| 05:08.43 | Pendalar | I'd like 3.3 on my 5500 ;-) |
| 05:08.56 | Pendalar | if you get it, will you post to ZSI? |
| 05:08.57 | absentia | I had one at one time |
| 05:09.09 | mspencer-c700 | I'll box it up when I'm done :) |
| 05:09.11 | absentia | think was grabbed from weidner or something like that |
| 05:09.12 | Pendalar | I have ZGCC but that's not 3.3 |
| 05:09.25 | absentia | true |
| 05:09.53 | djr|z | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.55 | djr|z | <3 Z |
| 05:10.01 | kergoth | should update the buildroot target gcc3 build to gcc3.3 |
| 05:10.10 | kergoth | currently it builds gcc3.3 cross but not target |
| 05:11.32 | mspencer-c700 | right. |
| 05:11.32 | mspencer-c700 | I'm trying to compile gcc 3.3 using 2.95.1 (I think) |
| 05:11.32 | mspencer-c700 | do you have an arm-ported ar, kergoth? |
| 05:11.32 | mspencer-c700 | I tried just building ar from source but it requires libbfd, and libbfd won't link with the busybox version of ar. |
| 05:12.11 | kergoth | let me fire up buildroot, if a target binutils isnt there now i can add it in about 5 mins |
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| 05:12.56 | kergoth | ah, there is a target binutils here. wonder if it works |
| 05:13.17 | mspencer-c700 | sweet -- looks like it would help more than just me, so I don't feel so bad for asking for it... |
| 05:13.27 | mspencer-c700 | thanks again :) |
| 05:13.42 | kergoth | nah its been asked for a few times, particularly since i added the gcc packages to oz unstable |
| 05:13.47 | kergoth | since they arent much good without it |
| 05:13.48 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:13.52 | kergoth | need libc6-dev too |
| 05:15.08 | kergoth | libiberty doesnt like my 3.3 crosscompiler chain |
| 05:15.09 | kergoth | hmm |
| 05:15.15 | mspencer-c700 | hmm... |
| 05:15.31 | mspencer-c700 | I wonder if I can reconfigure to not require libbfd... |
| 05:16.32 | mspencer-c700 | need to switch cards to try it.. |
| 05:16.37 | Carkus | do you guys recommend OZ over the sharp rom ? |
| 05:16.50 | djr | yes |
| 05:17.13 | mspencer-c700 | (theres no OZ c700 build since the first one, right?) |
| 05:17.25 | absentia | ah, good ol' libiberty... |
| 05:17.49 | mspencer-c700 | give me libberty or give me libbfd. |
| 05:18.17 | mspencer-c700 | har. n/m :-) |
| 05:19.06 | mspencer-c700 | brb... |
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| 05:31.02 | mspencer-c700 | configuring --without-commonbfdlib doesn't change much -- still wants bfd. |
| 05:32.22 | Taekero_ | hrm, i wish there were some test binaries available for 5600 :\ |
| 05:32.45 | mspencer-c700 | make complains about no target to make ../bfd/bfd.h (which exists) when I just try to make ar from within binutils/ |
| 05:33.36 | kergoth | Taekero: ? |
| 05:33.54 | Taekero | oz... |
| 05:33.56 | Taekero | heh |
| 05:34.09 | Taekero | oh! |
| 05:34.16 | kergoth | oh. they work, i just havent had time to iron out the kinks and upload em |
| 05:34.17 | Taekero | i wasn't looking in the right place |
| 05:34.28 | kergoth | uh, i havent uplaoded 5600 images. period. |
| 05:34.58 | Taekero | heh, oh.. heh |
| 05:35.49 | Taekero | i just didnt look in official/experimental... and when i saw all the zaurus codenames, i was like "bingo", heh |
| 05:36.11 | kergoth | yay for empty directories! |
| 05:36.16 | Taekero | :P |
| 05:36.16 | kergoth | i'll put something in poodle soon |
| 05:36.39 | kergoth | mspencer-c700: got it. man, did it dislike the glibc 2.3.2 headers. dunno whats up with that. worked around it for now. |
| 05:37.52 | Taekero | hrm, i guess i can get my zaurus networked via my virtual machine for now... heh |
| 05:38.16 | SirPsycho-home | this mean we can get an experimental beta of oz for collie? |
| 05:38.24 | kergoth | thats already uploaded |
| 05:38.28 | kergoth | but its a minimal image |
| 05:38.32 | kergoth | no opie preinstalled |
| 05:38.44 | kergoth | mspencer-c700: i have a binutils ipk. i havfent stripped the shit out of it that we dont need, but it exists |
| 05:38.53 | kergoth | mspencer-c700: i'll throw it up on openzaurus.org |
| 05:40.09 | kergoth | mspencer-c700: k, openzaurus.org/unofficial/binutils_2.13.90cvs.20030620-1_armv4l-strongarm.ipk |
| 05:40.24 | kergoth | s/openzaurus.org/http:\/\/openzaurus.org/ |
| 05:40.43 | mspencer-c700 | thanks |
| 05:41.05 | kergoth | np, let me know if it works |
| 05:41.08 | kergoth | completely untested |
| 05:41.43 | mspencer-c700 | understood -- thanks. I have to go offline to test -- Ill run down to the desktop to thank you if it works |
| 05:42.08 | kergoth | np |
| 05:42.17 | kergoth | thanks for pestering me to fix it |
| 05:42.26 | kergoth | one of those low priority things i never seem to find time for |
| 05:42.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:43.40 | mspencer-c700 | got it, testing now... |
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| 05:53.45 | mspencer-c700 | ar: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.2.3' not found (required by ar) |
| 05:53.58 | mspencer-c700 | (I appreciate the effort though...) |
| 05:54.40 | kergoth | oh, i forgot i built it with gcc 3.3 |
| 05:54.42 | W8TVI | would the libc.20.6 from a desktop dist work? |
| 05:54.52 | kergoth | W8TVI: these are arm binaries. |
| 05:54.56 | W8TVI | 20 = so |
| 05:54.57 | kergoth | W8TVI: your desktop dist is irrelevent |
| 05:55.03 | mspencer-c700 | sorry, forgot to say that... |
| 05:55.29 | kergoth | np, i usually run gcc3 built base images nowadays, even if i use gcc2 for qt+opie for compat |
| 05:55.32 | mspencer-c700 | unless his desktop is arm :-P |
| 05:55.43 | kergoth | hehe, there arent alot of those around :) |
| 05:55.44 | W8TVI | so the lib is all wrong for it then... |
| 05:55.58 | W8TVI | ever mind... |
| 05:56.01 | W8TVI | lol |
| 05:56.48 | kergoth | mspencer-c700: building a gcc2/glibc2.2.x package now |
| 05:56.55 | mspencer-c700 | any way to get a gcc2 version? :-) |
| 05:57.01 | mspencer-c700 | sweet :) |
| 05:57.18 | kergoth | bleh, nearly out of hd space |
| 05:57.30 | kergoth | 3 buildroot and 13 kernel trees tends to use it up |
| 05:57.31 | kergoth | :\ |
| 05:57.40 | W8TVI | I have a program called Qt Designer... |
| 05:58.24 | W8TVI | does that have anything to do with the zaurus/handhelds? |
| 05:58.42 | kergoth | its used to design user interfaces for qt applications |
| 05:58.49 | kergoth | the zaurus uses qtopia, wh ich uses qt/embedded. |
| 05:58.50 | kergoth | so yes. |
| 05:59.07 | W8TVI | I gave linux 30gig... and windows 100gig |
| 06:01.44 | W8TVI | I've only used 20gig on the windows part and only used 6.14 gig for linux |
| 06:02.26 | W8TVI | kergoth: how much space do those build trees take up? |
| 06:02.52 | kergoth | couple gigs a piece for the buildroots |
| 06:03.06 | kergoth | mspencer-c700: redownload it |
| 06:03.12 | kergoth | mspencer-c700: its gcc2/glibc2.2.x now |
| 06:03.14 | W8TVI | cool |
| 06:03.51 | mspencer-c700 | sweet |
| 06:03.53 | W8TVI | the kernel trees take up much space? |
| 06:05.16 | kergoth | bout 300 megs a piece |
| 06:05.19 | kergoth | varies |
| 06:05.31 | W8TVI | cool |
| 06:05.50 | W8TVI | now if only I had the connection to download those things.... |
| 06:06.45 | mspencer-c700 | installing now...bbl... |
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| 06:06.57 | W8TVI | lol |
| 06:06.59 | W8TVI | TCP/IP fingerprinting (for OS scan) requires root privileges which you do not appear to possess. Sorry, dude. |
| 06:07.08 | W8TVI | forgot to su |
| 06:10.55 | W8TVI | cool... Qt Designer by Trolltech |
| 06:14.33 | W8TVI | wish i knew how to use this thing to knock out my own text editor... |
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| 06:18.34 | mspencer-c700 | ./ar: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.2.3' not found (required by ./ar) |
| 06:18.49 | kergoth | how old is your glibc? |
| 06:18.51 | mspencer-c700 | I don't remember -- was the version different? |
| 06:18.51 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:19.03 | kergoth | i dont have anything older than a 2.2.3 glibc in my arm toolchains. |
| 06:20.02 | mspencer-c700 | where's glibc again? (sorry) |
| 06:20.30 | mspencer-c700 | not usr/lib or lib... |
| 06:21.10 | kergoth | eh? |
| 06:21.13 | kergoth | libc.so.6 is glibc |
| 06:21.15 | kergoth | GNU libc |
| 06:21.17 | kergoth | = glibc |
| 06:21.29 | kergoth | libc-2.x.x.so |
| 06:22.23 | mspencer-c700 | mine is just libc.so -- no help there. no strings binary on the z either... |
| 06:23.27 | kergoth | well whatever it is, its older than 2.2.3 since it doesnt have the 2.2.3 versioned symbols |
| 06:23.33 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:24.00 | mspencer-c700 | ouch... |
| 06:24.23 | mspencer-c700 | is ar's output version-specific? |
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| 06:26.09 | kergoth | doubtful, but i cant build an ar binary that doesnt link against 2.2.3 symbols using a 2.2.3 libc in my toolchain. |
| 06:26.57 | mspencer-c700 | can I update libc without major surgery? |
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| 06:27.23 | TCMAN | hi |
| 06:27.30 | mspencer-c700 | just add another one, perhaps? |
| 06:27.56 | kergoth | i've upgraded libc with ipkg before, its not rocket science |
| 06:28.07 | kergoth | should work fine |
| 06:28.17 | TCMAN | it seemed to work for me |
| 06:28.26 | mspencer-c700 | I'll make a nand backup first then :) |
| 06:28.33 | TCMAN | i just found out today that they are sending me to siggraph |
| 06:29.22 | mspencer-c700 | so I need to take a recent libc6 ipkg and just install it? |
| 06:29.43 | kergoth | yep |
| 06:29.56 | mspencer-c700 | oz.org/unstable? |
| 06:30.21 | kergoth | unstable has glibc 2.2.4 |
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| 06:30.47 | mspencer-c700 | cool |
| 06:30.57 | w8tvi_ | hey kergoth, I submited that ipkg but 2 days ago |
| 06:30.59 | w8tvi_ | http://www.handhelds.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=918 |
| 06:32.47 | kergoth | cool |
| 06:32.49 | mspencer-c700 | OK, making a nand flash backup before I install...brb... |
| 06:33.56 | w8tvi_ | cool |
| 06:33.57 | w8tvi_ | http://www.fivestarassoc.com/Z/index.html |
| 06:34.03 | w8tvi_ | connectors for the Z |
| 06:34.44 | \Kritikal\ | anyone know where i can get a pinout of the microphone/headphone jack? |
| 06:35.06 | w8tvi_ | you dont need a pin out |
| 06:35.11 | w8tvi_ | I'll tel you what it is |
| 06:35.15 | Carkus | \Kritikal\: afaik its a standard 3.5stereo jack, with the left channel doubling as a mic |
| 06:35.16 | \Kritikal\ | w-rd |
| 06:35.18 | \Kritikal\ | err..w0rd |
| 06:35.28 | w8tvi_ | Carkus: you beat me to it |
| 06:35.34 | \Kritikal\ | okie...thank you much... |
| 06:35.36 | \Kritikal\ | :) |
| 06:36.10 | \Kritikal\ | now..is there a way to get the right channel to work as speaker while the left as mic? |
| 06:36.16 | w8tvi_ | did my 'bug' report look ok? |
| 06:36.17 | \Kritikal\ | or is this default |
| 06:36.20 | \Kritikal\ | ? |
| 06:36.51 | \Kritikal\ | so as to use a set of earbuds at a mic and speaker? |
| 06:38.02 | w8tvi_ | \Kritikal\: dont know |
| 06:38.08 | w8tvi_ | might work |
| 06:40.36 | \Kritikal\ | hmm |
| 06:40.43 | \Kritikal\ | danke |
| 06:41.13 | \Krit\Sleep\ | wait...is that your callsign by any chance? |
| 06:41.44 | w8tvi_ | yeah |
| 06:41.55 | \Krit\Sleep\ | w0rd...my dad is a big time ham |
| 06:41.59 | W8TVI | cool |
| 06:42.14 | \Krit\Sleep\ | you're in michigan, if i'm not mistaken |
| 06:42.22 | \Krit\Sleep\ | or close... |
| 06:42.28 | Carkus | \Krit\Sleep\: i think its default |
| 06:42.34 | Carkus | with the right as speaker |
| 06:42.40 | \Krit\Sleep\ | excellant |
| 06:42.41 | \Krit\Sleep\ | thanks |
| 06:43.21 | Carkus | i tried it the other day with ear bud headphones.. just spoke into the left ear bud.. worked fine.. quality was abit poor tho.. as can be expected |
| 06:43.51 | \Krit\Sleep\ | yeah...but i'm going to put the left bud into my ear, so as to use my head as a natural amplifier |
| 06:43.54 | \Krit\Sleep\ | :) |
| 06:44.07 | Carkus | hehe |
| 06:44.20 | W8TVI | \Krit\Sleep\: VoIP? |
| 06:45.09 | Carkus | ive heard some mobile phone handsfree kit's work if you use a 2.5 to 3.5 adaptor |
| 06:54.45 | W8TVI | were are all the recording porgrams for the z? |
| 06:55.16 | W8TVI | audio |
| 06:58.40 | Carkus | ive only seen the one that comes with the sharp rom so far.. but ive never looked |
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| 07:16.02 | Taekero | kergoth: if i didn't mention anything about OZ on the 5600 and get a reply, I would have attempted to build it myself, and probably killed myself also |
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| 07:18.12 | W8TVI | night guys |
| 07:20.01 | mspencer | that nand flash backup took forever -- installing the update now. It wants kernel sources... |
| 07:25.22 | mspencer | ERROR: Package libc6 wants to install file /lib/ld-linux.so.2 \ But that file is already provided by package <no package> \ Please move this file out of the way and try again. |
| 07:25.29 | mspencer | Umm, no. I smell a disaster in the making. X__X |
| 07:27.38 | mspencer | repeat that message for all of: libnss_nis.so.2, libm.so.6, libpthread-0.9.so, libnss_files.so.2, libresolv.so.2, libnsl.so.1, libutil.so.1, libnss_compat.so.2, libcrypt.so.1, ld-linux.so.2, libdl.so.2, libnss_dns.so.2, libpthread.so.0, libc.so.6, and /sbin/ldconfig |
| 07:28.01 | mspencer | I can think of at least one in there that will pretty much kill the system if it moves. |
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| 09:32.30 | omoore | is OZ not working on the 5600? er.. actaually... |
| 09:32.45 | omoore | anyone know if this... OpenZaurus is now known to work on the Poodle (5600/b500) |
| 09:32.52 | omoore | is using the standard OZ images? |
| 09:32.59 | omoore | surely not |
| 09:33.23 | omoore | but there's no reference to where to download it (on the OZ news page) |
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| 10:19.35 | Carkus- | just brought a 5500 this week.. geez the battery doesnt last long |
| 10:20.54 | Carkus- | is it normal for the sharp from battery monitor to go from 'good' to 'low'.. is that normal, or is there ment to be a scale in the middle, like 'medium' or something ? |
| 10:21.36 | Carkus- | sharp rom v2.35 .. so its fairly old |
| 10:21.51 | Carkus- | might put OZ on it later |
| 10:21.59 | tomimo | it's quite normal I think. The battery meter isn't very precise. |
| 10:22.15 | Carkus- | np, cheers |
| 10:22.23 | Carkus- | i was hoping my battery wasnt fucked =) |
| 10:22.30 | Carkus- | but its probably normal |
| 10:22.39 | Carkus- | especially with abit of wifi use |
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| 10:54.05 | tomimo | damn! I just hate working with old crappy hardware that you have to fix all the time |
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| 12:49.42 | mark | George-: boo |
| 12:49.52 | George- | mark: what? |
| 12:50.05 | George- | mark: should I get the frozen throne? |
| 12:50.27 | mark | the frozen trhone? |
| 12:50.34 | George- | WarCraft 3 expansion pack |
| 12:50.47 | mark | no |
| 12:52.23 | George- | why not? |
| 12:53.11 | mark | coz games suck |
| 12:53.59 | George- | *cough* GTA3 *cough* |
| 12:54.07 | George- | *cough* mark *cough* addicted *cough* |
| 12:54.30 | mark | no |
| 12:54.33 | mark | played for about 2 hours |
| 12:54.46 | George- | s/hours/weeks non stop/ |
| 12:55.26 | mark | no |
| 12:55.32 | mark | i maybe did first 4 missions? |
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| 13:12.31 | Carkus- | Do not touch anything when the Zaurus is flashing! Do not unplug the power. The flash should take between 3 and 12 minutes for a standard CF card, longer if flashing from a microdrive. |
| 13:12.31 | Carkus- | Push the "FULL RESET" button in the lower-right side of the battery compartment. |
| 13:12.35 | Carkus- | how can you tell if its flashing ? |
| 13:12.39 | Carkus- | and how can you tell if its finished flashing ? |
| 13:12.46 | Carkus- | (re: openzaurus) |
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| 15:50.13 | Carkus- | anyone got a ipk for opera6 ? |
| 15:50.35 | absentia | no |
| 15:50.43 | absentia | that's ther reason why I run sharp and not oz |
| 15:50.56 | Carkus- | damn =) |
| 15:51.00 | Carkus- | i just switched today |
| 15:51.12 | Carkus- | and finally got wifi working |
| 15:51.16 | absentia | I went back and forth about 20 times for about two weeks. |
| 15:51.24 | absentia | ya, I had to buy two wifi cards. |
| 15:51.57 | Carkus- | damn |
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| 16:39.48 | z | i have noticed that on www.zaurus.com/dev there is now a new 5600 rom v1.00 just wondering if this is exactly the same rom, kernel and Qtopia version that is already on my 5600 |
| 16:40.53 | George- | z: it's probably exactly the same |
| 16:41.29 | z | does anyone know when tkc will release there 5600 rom ? |
| 16:42.40 | ChipX86 | z: they've had pre-releases out for awhile. I believe the final release is coming out shortly |
| 16:44.41 | z | do they have a pre-release for thr 5600? if so where can i get it |
| 16:47.00 | ChipX86 | oh, 5600. Not sure |
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| 17:00.13 | Harlekin | lo |
| 17:00.21 | George- | hi Harlekin |
| 17:00.32 | Harlekin | hi George- |
| 17:01.36 | George- | do you have a zaurus now? |
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| 17:06.20 | George- | Harlekin: do you know how to reencode divx to 320x240 @ 300Kbit/s? |
| 17:07.24 | Harlekin | 300 kbit is a bitmuch |
| 17:07.27 | Harlekin | ibot: mencoder |
| 17:07.28 | | well, mencoder is an excellent mpeg4 encoder that can be used to encode movies for the zaurus, see http://www.mplayerhq.hu and for a frontend use kmencoder http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmencoder/ or use this simple script http://63.194.216.219/zmencoder.sh.txt, or see http://www.zeb.uklinux.net/encoding.html |
| 17:07.33 | Harlekin | read that |
| 17:07.38 | George- | which one? |
| 17:07.45 | George- | I use mencoder anyway |
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| 18:59.51 | mini^-^panda | hi, all |
| 19:00.41 | mini^-^panda | why i try to build ext2 partion on my zaurus and run 'fdisk /dev/mmcda' |
| 19:01.05 | mini^-^panda | and the fdisk told me "bus error" ? |
| 19:08.43 | mini^-^panda | ibot bus error |
| 19:08.44 | | mini^-^panda: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 19:21.18 | SnakeST6 | hey, anybody try Bluetooth(tm) Developers Kit for zaurus? |
| 19:21.27 | SnakeST6 | (5x00) |
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| 19:34.05 | mini^-^panda | SnakeST6 : hi ,i've just order that one |
| 19:34.50 | mini^-^panda | SnakeST6 : from here http://www.pellicosystems.com/zaurus/hardware/btDevKit-config5600.html |
| 19:35.02 | mini^-^panda | mini^-^panda : so how about you? |
| 20:00.36 | George- | ok, what should i put in my 10 day Zaurus survival kit (s/w wise)? |
| 20:10.30 | George- | hrmm, every time I change nick, djr quits |
| 20:10.33 | George- | nifty ;) |
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| 20:36.14 | Pendalar | kergoth around? |
| 20:36.25 | absentia | y |
| 20:36.44 | Pendalar | because I have the hots for him |
| 20:36.46 | George- | kergoth: SLACKER |
| 20:36.50 | Pendalar | what do ya think? =-p |
| 20:37.06 | absentia | h0h0h0 |
| 20:37.06 | George- | Pendalar: have you SEEN his picture!?!? |
| 20:37.07 | Pendalar | having problems booting the experm. image for 5500 |
| 20:37.17 | Pendalar | nope can't say I have, was a joke |
| 20:37.20 | George- | what experimental image?!?! |
| 20:37.23 | absentia | where? ha! |
| 20:37.30 | George- | http://www.geocities.com/kergoth |
| 20:37.32 | George- | look there. |
| 20:37.39 | George- | He looks like a dork :) |
| 20:37.40 | Pendalar | where the experimental crap always is |
| 20:37.48 | George- | Pendalar: what's it got? |
| 20:37.52 | George- | Pendalar: 2.4.21? |
| 20:37.55 | Pendalar | I assume 99% of the people here looks like a dork |
| 20:38.06 | Pendalar | new kernel, some rewrites on drivers and such.. no opie |
| 20:38.10 | kergoth | the 2.4.21 experimental collie image is minimal, no opie |
| 20:38.11 | kergoth | right |
| 20:38.14 | Pendalar | it's just to test the TS |
| 20:38.18 | kergoth | whatst he prob? |
| 20:38.28 | George- | kergoth: hello! :) |
| 20:38.34 | Pendalar | well I flash it and hard reset it .. it configures the packages to root |
| 20:38.37 | Pendalar | then stalls perm. |
| 20:38.41 | George- | kergoth: we were just er.. talking about you |
| 20:38.48 | Pendalar | I reset, it says wait while booting, stalls perm |
| 20:38.55 | kergoth | eh, i flashed it last night before i uploaded the images and it booted fine |
| 20:38.57 | kergoth | odd |
| 20:39.07 | Pendalar | dunno man, just thought I'd tell you =-( |
| 20:39.30 | George- | kergoth: what does 2.4.21 not have yet? |
| 20:39.49 | kergoth | SD |
| 20:39.58 | kergoth | Pendalar: k, i'll check it now |
| 20:40.00 | Pendalar | also this may be on the bug lists, but while booting at that stage in the kernel if you try to turn off the backlight, it turns it off completely |
| 20:40.09 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:40.11 | Pendalar | not just the backlight |
| 20:40.16 | kergoth | if you try to turn off the backlight how? |
| 20:40.29 | George- | kergoth: apart from SD? |
| 20:40.30 | Pendalar | hold the 3rd circular button |
| 20:40.32 | kergoth | uhh |
| 20:40.34 | Pendalar | the light button =-p |
| 20:40.39 | kergoth | i didnt set up the press+hold on the 3rd button |
| 20:40.43 | kergoth | so it shouldnt do a damn thing |
| 20:40.54 | kergoth | you're saying it blanks the lcd? |
| 20:40.56 | Pendalar | it turns it off =-) |
| 20:41.00 | Pendalar | hm |
| 20:41.17 | kergoth | it does absolutely nothing on my Z |
| 20:41.17 | Pendalar | I can't tell if the LCD is off, or it's off completely |
| 20:41.21 | kergoth | i think something went wrong in your flashing. |
| 20:41.22 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:41.35 | Pendalar | I've flashed twice, I'll redownload a image in a few and try again |
| 20:41.41 | Pendalar | in case something was corrupt in transfer |
| 20:42.10 | kergoth | k |
| 20:42.16 | kergoth | i'll reflash as well to confirm my sanity |
| 20:42.40 | Pendalar | I was hoping to bring good TS results |
| 20:42.46 | Pendalar | but heh didn't get that far |
| 20:42.47 | George- | kergoth: I can confirm that for you |
| 20:42.52 | George- | kergoth: YOU ARE NOT SANE |
| 20:42.53 | George- | :) |
| 20:43.14 | Pendalar | Please wait: booting... lil block flashes.. never goes on |
| 20:43.28 | George- | kergoth: does that 2.4.21 work on 5000D too? |
| 20:44.06 | George- | nice |
| 20:44.10 | kergoth | ts would have failed anyway |
| 20:44.18 | kergoth | of course it does |
| 20:44.23 | Harlekin | can somebody rename ircomm in oz to ircomm0? |
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| 20:44.32 | George- | kergoth: it works on 5000D? |
| 20:44.35 | kergoth | Pendalar: tmm1 flashed and tested ts on that image |
| 20:44.47 | kergoth | Pendalar: it failed, i'm fixing the cause now, though it may fail again for another reason |
| 20:44.53 | George- | kergoth: does that kernel not have mtd? |
| 20:44.54 | Pendalar | downloading from oz again |
| 20:45.12 | kergoth | mtd_ram_ it doesnt have |
| 20:45.16 | kergoth | no ramdisk at all at the moment |
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| 20:45.20 | kergoth | its 32 or 64 |
| 20:45.24 | George- | kergoth: ah, good |
| 20:45.30 | George- | kergoth: I use 32-0 anyway :) |
| 20:45.45 | Pendalar | why would it fail on some and not others, at that point? |
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| 20:46.42 | kergoth | Pendalar: huh? |
| 20:46.57 | kergoth | no, i said it failed for one reason, i'm fixing that reason, and it may fail for a completely different reason at that point |
| 20:47.02 | Pendalar | ah |
| 20:47.04 | kergoth | i didnt imply it wouldnt fail on some but would on others |
| 20:47.05 | Pendalar | what was the reason? |
| 20:47.18 | kergoth | the ucb1x00 ts driver was inadvertantly built to use the input layer |
| 20:47.20 | kergoth | event interface |
| 20:47.26 | kergoth | rather than the /dev/touchscreen/ucb1x00 interface |
| 20:47.35 | kergoth | but tslib wasnt built to utilize the input layer |
| 20:47.52 | Pendalar | so do I need to keep testing this one or are you upping a new image? |
| 20:48.26 | kergoth | i'll upload an image with a tslib that works with input |
| 20:48.36 | kergoth | then we need to see if ts_test works properly after ts_calibrate'ing |
| 20:48.42 | kergoth | if so, then we're ready to test opie |
| 20:48.43 | Pendalar | because I'm downloading at this second ;-) |
| 20:48.57 | Pendalar | wondering I should kill it and wait |
| 20:49.00 | George- | soo... the infamous kergoth screwed up everything |
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| 20:49.10 | George- | kergoth: can you send me the config you have for 2.4.21? |
| 20:49.25 | Pendalar | George- you really ought to have a high voltage tazer shoved up yer ass some days |
| 20:49.42 | Pendalar | the man's working =-/ |
| 20:49.47 | kergoth | eh? |
| 20:49.50 | kergoth | arch/arm/def-configs/collie |
| 20:50.02 | kergoth | sitting in the kernel tree with every other default config |
| 20:50.09 | George- | kergoth: where do I get the kernel source from? :) |
| 20:50.18 | kergoth | linux-cl.bkbits.net |
| 20:50.21 | kergoth | collie-2.4 is the tree |
| 20:50.37 | George- | ok |
| 20:50.43 | George- | ibot bitkeeper |
| 20:50.44 | | bitkeeper is, like, at http://www.bitkeeper.com/ or at http://www.bitmover.com/ or hosted trees at http://www.bkbits.net/ or like cvs and subversion, but its non-opensource.. but its really good, even linus uses it to develop the kernel! |
| 20:50.44 | Pendalar | takes awhile to download at 30kps.. wonder what is going on with my cable these days |
| 20:50.49 | George- | ibot oz buildroot |
| 20:50.50 | | somebody said oz bk was bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 20:51.28 | absentia | does the buildroot instructions still wor ? |
| 20:51.29 | absentia | work ? |
| 20:52.37 | kergoth | they're still accurate. |
| 20:53.02 | absentia | good. :-) thank you. |
| 20:53.03 | George- | Pendalar: tazer? |
| 20:53.05 | George- | ibot dict tazer |
| 20:53.15 | George- | ibot tazer |
| 20:53.16 | | George-: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 20:53.16 | Pendalar | tazzzer |
| 20:53.22 | George- | ibot dict tazzzer |
| 20:53.31 | George- | ibot: fuck off |
| 20:53.32 | | George-: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 20:54.57 | Pendalar | reflashing |
| 20:56.15 | W8TVI | ah weem ah way |
| 20:56.56 | \Kritikal\ | oooooweeeeeeeeeeeeoooOOOOOooooaweembawoombaway |
| 20:57.25 | \Kritikal\ | err...sorry...wrong key |
| 20:57.28 | Pendalar | the only music to flash to |
| 20:58.06 | George- | hahah |
| 20:58.47 | Pendalar | hah now backlight doesn't even come on |
| 20:59.08 | Pendalar | nor is it configging packages to root. although I bet if I reset it again it will |
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| 20:59.28 | Pendalar | yep there's backlight.. booting? |
| 20:59.32 | Pendalar | yep |
| 20:59.36 | Pendalar | like the first time I did it |
| 20:59.50 | Pendalar | flash->hard rest->tried.. nope->soft reset->yep |
| 21:01.16 | kergoth | weird |
| 21:01.36 | Pendalar | yep 2nd time I didn't have to, but first and third did |
| 21:03.02 | Pendalar | ok after configging to root it stalls |
| 21:03.08 | Pendalar | going to soft reset.. |
| 21:03.49 | Pendalar | isn't telling me now booting.. |
| 21:04.35 | Pendalar | I'll hard reset and let it reconfig |
| 21:04.39 | Pendalar | dunno I can't get in man |
| 21:05.02 | kergoth | reflashing mine with the new tslib image |
| 21:05.15 | Pendalar | ok I'll get the newer than new image later on today |
| 21:05.20 | Pendalar | and test it for you hopefully |
| 21:05.24 | kergoth | k, thanks |
| 21:05.29 | Pendalar | wasn't very useful this venture |
| 21:05.32 | Pendalar | =-( |
| 21:05.41 | Pendalar | heh when I try to help it doesn't pan out.. kinda funny |
| 21:06.21 | Pendalar | what is supposed to happy after the installing to root |
| 21:06.31 | Pendalar | is it supposed to go on booting, or reset itself then boot |
| 21:07.12 | kergoth | just boots |
| 21:07.16 | kergoth | it doesnt need to reboot |
| 21:07.32 | Pendalar | that's what I thought.. either way it stalls ;-) |
| 21:07.46 | kergoth | odd. |
| 21:07.59 | kergoth | but you saw messages up until then, thats whats strange |
| 21:08.13 | Pendalar | first case of this happening? |
| 21:08.13 | kergoth | why would it be happy for a while, then not? |
| 21:08.14 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:08.57 | Pendalar | you are asking the wrooong person *grin* |
| 21:09.16 | kergoth | k mine is done flashing |
| 21:09.19 | kergoth | lets seew hat it does |
| 21:09.42 | kergoth | full reset, battery switch, cancel button .. please wait, booting... |
| 21:09.51 | kergoth | reconfiguring packages |
| 21:09.53 | Pendalar | I've used this CF to flash every time I've done it thus far (from sharp to OZ.. OZ to sharp.. OZ to OZ..) |
| 21:10.04 | Pendalar | OZ to OZ to OZ et al |
| 21:10.07 | Pendalar | heh ;-) |
| 21:10.15 | Pendalar | so I wouldn't think it's my CF |
| 21:10.16 | kergoth | hehe, the reconfiguring thing |
| 21:10.23 | kergoth | every modules package calls depmod -a in its postinst |
| 21:10.28 | kergoth | so depmod -a gets called like 42 times |
| 21:10.37 | kergoth | i should find a way to fix that |
| 21:10.49 | Pendalar | depmod daemon heh |
| 21:10.59 | kergoth | nah, just make thep ackages not call depmod |
| 21:11.04 | W8TVI | We're off to to see the Wizard... the wonderful Wizard of OZ |
| 21:11.07 | kergoth | depmod -a will get called on bootup by the modules startup script anwyay |
| 21:11.30 | kergoth | i love twuin's reconfiguring packages display |
| 21:11.35 | kergoth | so much nicer than the old ........... |
| 21:11.37 | Pendalar | yeah nice touch |
| 21:11.48 | kergoth | he's working on a GUI one |
| 21:11.50 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:11.52 | Pendalar | nice! |
| 21:12.10 | Pendalar | I really have to get into all this when I get situated in a new job |
| 21:12.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:12.16 | kergoth | dood |
| 21:12.20 | kergoth | reconfiguring packages done.. |
| 21:12.22 | Pendalar | I'm going to leave the Z stalled in case it breaks out eventually |
| 21:12.22 | kergoth | openzaurus login |
| 21:12.24 | kergoth | boom |
| 21:12.29 | Pendalar | no login for me =-( |
| 21:12.31 | kergoth | whys this shit always work fine for me? |
| 21:12.35 | kergoth | i can never repro any bugs |
| 21:12.38 | kergoth | its a pain in the ass |
| 21:12.47 | Pendalar | maybe there's bad batches? |
| 21:12.55 | Pendalar | not bad bad.. but minor differences |
| 21:13.06 | Pendalar | if SanDisk can do it, Sharp can =-p |
| 21:13.27 | Pendalar | is there a way to give me a debug mode style image? |
| 21:13.33 | Pendalar | so I can forward some results to you |
| 21:13.39 | kergoth | yeah, i'll set console=tty0 instead of console=null |
| 21:13.53 | Pendalar | ok I'll bbl to pick that up and I'll email you the results |
| 21:14.04 | Pendalar | tc kergoth |
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| 22:19.23 | George- | ibot oz buildroot |
| 22:19.23 | | [oz bk] bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 22:19.39 | KhensU | fliplap? |
| 22:31.59 | fliplap | me? |
| 22:32.16 | George- | fliplap: yes. you. :P |
| 22:32.34 | fliplap | couldn't be |
| 22:32.58 | George- | heh |
| 22:35.32 | KhensU | fliplap: you wanted better hosting for opieirc? |
| 22:36.10 | George- | ibot seen wazlaf |
| 22:36.10 | | i haven't seen 'wazlaf', George- |
| 22:36.14 | George- | stupid bot |
| 22:36.24 | fliplap | KhensU: if there's somewhere i can stick builds that would be great |
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| 22:37.50 | George- | kergoth? |
| 22:39.49 | fliplap | zsi needs a way to update software stuff in a semi-real time, also needs a comments feature |
| 22:39.57 | fliplap | ala freshmeat |
| 22:40.37 | kergoth | needs more intelligent ordering |
| 22:40.42 | kergoth | rank of some sort |
| 22:40.51 | George- | we need a more intelligent OZ maintainer too |
| 22:40.58 | George- | BLOOTBOT FOR OZ MAINTAINER! |
| 22:41.07 | kergoth | we need less annoying zaurus users too |
| 22:41.17 | mark | are there any zaurus users left? :) |
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| 22:41.20 | Harlekin | kergoth: older one |
| 22:41.22 | George- | kergoth: haha |
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| 23:09.17 | absentia | h0h0h0 |
| 23:09.30 | George- | don't do that. |
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| 23:50.30 | George- | how does one build a kernel for the Zaurus? |
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| 23:57.50 | noidd | ibot, tell george- about oz buildroot |
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| 23:58.18 | George- | noidd: uh |
| 23:58.27 | George- | noidd: I'm trying to build a kernel OUTSIDE of buildroot |
| 23:58.30 | George- | kergoth: ping |
| 23:58.41 | kergoth | you bu ild a kernel the same way you build every other linux kernel in existance |
| 23:58.43 | kergoth | read the fucking readme. |
| 23:59.19 | George- | kergoth: when I run make <xconfig/menuconfig> it loads the PowerPC kernel configuration |
| 23:59.41 | noidd | I love you kergoth, don't you ever change :-D |