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00:00.06CopeOk - mounted the cd, found the package.
00:00.06VampireZIMsecret numbers are R:16 G:0 B:16
00:00.06warmiI run just about everything in its default scheme/style whatever
00:00.22VampireZIMit doesnt work on all video, but most
00:00.49VampireZIMi have my MIRC window maximized with the full screen video playing through it. :)
00:02.09CopeHow can I get the package onto the zaurus, then?
00:04.04VampireZIMheh, i have it set in my SecureShell window now too. :)
00:06.53CopeI can ping the zaurus - so we have a connection; I have the terminal ipkg on the linux box... how can I get it onto the zaurus?
00:07.33fdaskwhich rom u runnin on the Z?
00:07.56Copefdask> lemme look
00:08.24Cope2.35
00:20.37CopeOk - tried to scp it, but port 22 is closed.
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00:41.58CopeOk - managed to get file onto zaurus, but to /tmp - and the package installer doesn't see it. How can I move it on the zaurus? Where -should- it be?
00:42.30ljp_laptop_does the package manager see it? if so, you dont need to move it
00:43.12fliplapthis is driving me nuts, i just upgraded my kernel, how i'm getting these weird scan lines on my monitor
00:43.13CopeNo the package manager doesn't see it, but it is there - I can see it in opera
00:43.59ljp_laptop_then move it to your Documents dir
00:44.22CopeOK - how do I move stuff around on the zaurus without a shell?
00:44.42oGMocut/copy/paste?
00:44.57CopeoGMo> In what application?
00:45.20oGMoCope: on the documents tab
00:45.26oGMoCope: this is 3.10 right?
00:45.34oGMootherwise you have nothing to move
00:46.06CopeoGMo> Atm looks like the ROM is 2.35
00:46.32oGMoCope: upgrade
00:46.40CopeHelpful
00:46.42oGMoor get a filemanager or shell
00:46.51CopeThat's what I am doing atm.
00:46.52oGMoCope: no, really, the upgrade is _really_ _really_ worth it
00:47.10oGMoi mean, it's not like 2.35 -> 2.38, it's big
00:47.12CopeI have a shell program sitting in /tmp that I ftp-d there from my linux box
00:47.54CopeoGMo> Ok - I'm more than happy to upgrade.... lemme read the howto
00:49.43CopeoGMo> Ok - problem is that I don't have a cf card, so I'm a bit stuffed.
00:49.54oGMoCope: ah
00:50.20CopeWell - can get one later but right now all I want is a working shell :-(
01:00.15CopeYAY!
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01:31.16noiddah raster
01:31.30noiddare you there?  Wanted to ask you an X question if you're about
01:31.51rasterjah jah
01:32.02noiddI don't know anyone else who knows far too much about X than is healthy :-)
01:32.04noiddcool
01:32.31noidddo you think it is even remotely feasable to port something like xnest to qpe
01:32.46noiddie, have an X screen as a qpe application
01:32.59treke|laptopyes
01:33.06treke|laptopits been done already in a round about way
01:34.18noiddoh, ok
01:34.53treke|laptopnoidd: VNC :)
01:35.26rasternoidd:  tecnically yes. is feasible - but i'd go more for porting xvfb
01:37.18rasternoidd: i will say that it wont be a small task tho
01:40.02noiddnot a small task from you means I wont even attempt it
01:40.29treke|laptophehe :)
01:43.40noiddI just wish I could switch between X and opie fast
01:43.53noiddand without having to stopo/start applications
01:44.14rasterthat might technically be possible
01:44.24rasterby using the qdirectpainter class
01:44.34rasterand a opie app thatbasically  goes fullscreen
01:44.38rastertakes over the display
01:44.44rasterusing qdirectpainter
01:44.51rasterit locks everything
01:44.56rasternow runs x int he console as normal
01:45.05rasterthou may have touchscreen/console open issues
01:46.56rasterpersonally i'd rather not have either of them and havre some time to dveelop my own p[da ui
01:47.01rasterwhich i'm sLOOOOOOOOOOWLY working on
01:47.39ljp_laptop_well... get on it!
01:47.58rasterif i had the time i'd be well udner way with an actual pda desktop
01:48.08rasterrather than just really funky soldi libs to sit behind one
01:48.42ljp_laptop_cat time >> raster
01:51.38rasteri wish! :)
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02:34.18TDTIs there anything for openzaurus that works like jeode?  I remember long ago someone recommended just getting it out of the official kernel, but that never worked well.  Is there a good replacement for jeode?
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05:01.05W8TVIHttp://www.zaurususergroup.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=UpDownload&file=index&req=viewsdownload&sid=17
05:04.06VampireZIMno C700 version
05:04.50W8TVINope
05:08.23ljphmm, funny.. I coulda sworn I have one here... hehehehhehehe hahhahahhaa hohohohohohohoh
05:09.49VampireZIMdamn that pepsi
05:10.33ljpjust a few tweaks left.. like key/screen/alarm sounds
05:10.48VampireZIMwhat are you talking about?
05:11.39ljpsounds.. my sounds arent working yet
05:21.49W8TVIWish me luck... I'm going to flash the tkc rom...
05:22.35W8TVIWoot... tow solid lights
05:22.53W8TVITwo
05:23.19VampireZIMfun
05:23.21W8TVII was getting sick of OZ anyway
05:23.26VampireZIMhehe
05:23.40W8TVIThe crappy wifi support
05:23.54W8TVIAnd mem card support
05:24.32W8TVIEvery timei'd turn it on, I'd have to wait for it to eject and find the mem cards
05:24.34VampireZIMwhat is the OS called on stock C700? just QT?
05:24.41W8TVIDone!
05:24.56treke|homeembeddix
05:25.08VampireZIMis that the street name?
05:25.34treke|homeIt's the name of the distribution used
05:25.53VampireZIMi know
05:25.54W8TVIThats better... I forgot to hit the ull resat button after flashing
05:26.04VampireZIMbut thats not what people refer to it as, in the chat
05:26.14treke|homesharp rom
05:26.36VampireZIMk
05:26.49W8TVIWell... its botting...
05:26.55W8TVIBooting...lol
05:27.11W8TVIEntering runlevel 5
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05:27.43W8TVIWoot... now I can put back my boot screeen that I made
05:28.02VampireZIMhow do you do that?
05:28.17VampireZIMdoes it replace the SHARP screen or the one that says CG Silicon?
05:28.31VampireZIMoh, you have 5500 huh?
05:28.32VampireZIMblah
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05:52.10sashzbk can work with proxy?
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06:20.46W8TVI-Much better than the OZ rom
06:21.00W8TVI-The netowork panel works
06:21.18W8TVI-And I can connect with wep
06:22.17W8TVI-No
06:22.20W8TVI-Oops
06:23.00W8TVI-Wrong window
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07:12.41N0Remorsesays "No demux plugin found for this media"
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08:35.33TCMANhi
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08:42.07sashzhi tc
08:42.12TCMANwhat should i get instead of stupid sandisk sd-mmc card ?
08:43.28sashzget another card ;)
08:44.45TCMANsashz: yeah, but what sd cards work properly in Z ?
08:45.49sashzi use pretec, it work well
08:46.26TCMANsashz: i just got my sandisk sd-mmc corrupted, again
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08:46.39sashzhow you get it?
08:46.45sashzafter rebooting?
08:46.57TCMANsashz: yeah
08:47.11TCMANsashz: or maybe it was just after suspending this time
08:47.25TCMANi run OZ 3.2 and i keep most apps on the card
08:47.33sashzhmm, hmm, try put in terminal:
08:47.35sashzsync
08:47.38TCMANso now i have to reflash
08:47.41sashzand than reboot
08:47.42TCMANi know
08:47.49TCMANi always sync before reboot
08:47.53sashzauuh, shit
08:47.57TCMANmaybe i should also sync before suspending
08:48.09sashzi patched OZ for C750/C760
08:48.19sashzhave same problem with jffs2 partition
08:48.32sashzafter rebooting some files corrupted
08:49.48TCMANthere was some zaurus sd compatibility chart
08:50.30sashzbefore i seen internet page with Z compatibly hw
08:50.40sashzbut forgot url
08:52.24TCMANmaybe ibot knows but i dont know how to ask :)
08:52.28TCMANibot sd
08:52.29it has been said that sd is an external storage media that can be used for applications and documents.  Due to it's slow speed, it is not recommended for video/audio files, or http://www.zauruszone.com/managing_sd_cf_howto.shtml, or not supported on the ipaq, see mmc
08:52.59TCMANibot mmc
08:53.00somebody said mmc was MultiMediaCard mentioned at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpaqHardwareCompatibilityStorage or at http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?MMC%20or%20SD%20card, or http://hacking.the.cia.com/~knight/ZaurusIndex.php
08:59.12Twiunyou're not using jffs2 on sd/cf are you?
09:01.03TCMANi am using ext2 on sd
09:01.03sashzjffs2 partition on /dev/mtd2,3 in C750/760
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09:01.44sashzim too
09:01.51sashzuse ext2 on sd
09:03.15Twiungood - I got worried for a sec there :)
09:07.35TCMANyeah, the problem is the damn sandisk sdmmc card :)
09:19.13TCMANpress reset and CD while standing on one hand :)
09:24.49TCMANcure they didnt want ppl to mess up their Z, even on purpose :)))
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09:30.04rgrepevening all
09:31.16TCMANhi
09:32.33Twiunibot: change 3000 GBP to CHF
09:34.30Twiunibot: change 2000 EUR to CHF
09:36.28prhsashz: you got OZ working on 750 ?
09:36.35Twiunibot: change 200 CHF to GBP
09:38.36prhTwiun: you know you can msg ibot...
09:46.04Twiunprh: when I can fill up the channel with money amounts?
09:53.22Twiunyou take all the fun out of it :)
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10:27.20prhTwiun: sorry :O)
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11:00.48CopeWoo! I have a cf card! If I want to mount this, is it just called /dev/hda1 on the Z?
11:03.27sashzmount /dev/hda1 /mnt/cf
11:08.07prhsashz: did you say you got OZ on 750?
11:08.44sashzyes, and on 760
11:08.55sashzbase oZ system, not opie
11:09.17prhhmm... is it on flash or SD?
11:09.30sashzon flash of course
11:10.05sashzhow i can make diffs in bk?
11:10.17sashzin buildroot mean :)
11:10.32prhsashz: did you recompile the kernel?
11:10.39sashzyes,
11:10.51sashzfor 750 and 760
11:11.26sashzthan manually burn it .
11:12.14sashzin this http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?s=96dab315284420a6d213f4e9d0f4dff6&act=ST&f=1&t=4994&st=0
11:12.17prhcoo! got any images?
11:12.23sashzi wrote how update flash kernel
11:13.25sashzyes. i got. but have strange bugs. i think before than kergoth will there i run it clean :)
11:14.04sashzstrange bugs - i think i need check updating jffs2.
11:14.16sashzi will look it now.
11:15.36prhhehe cool
11:16.53sashz:-)
11:17.16sashzso, how make patches from my changes in buildroot?
11:18.36prherm have two copies of the buildroot, and run "diff -ruN buildroot.orig buildroot" or you could do that on a changed file basis and cat the diffs together
11:19.12sashzhmm, probably BK can make diffs without second copy of buildroot?
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11:25.05Twiundoes anyone still have a Sharp ROM installed on their Z?
11:26.23prhTwiun: yes - 750
11:27.42CopeIs the Z architecture such that the choice of OS to flash to rom is limited to OZ and the Sharp ROM?
11:28.20Twiunprh: what PATH does Qtopia on that give to started applications?
11:29.29George`Deadanyone do much video encoding here?
11:29.30sashzprh want sharp rootfs from 760? :)
11:29.36prh/home/QTPalmtop/bin:/root/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin
11:47.53Twiunprh: thanks :)
12:10.34sashzyes, yes, yes! now it running clean ;) OZ base + C760
12:13.57sashzyoyo, even network card working, hehehe
12:15.30djr|zHostname: openzaurus - OS: Linux 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embedix/armv4l - CPU: Intel StrongARM-1110 rev 9 (v4l) - Processes: 32 - Uptime: 21d 14h 20m - Load Average: 2.23 - Memory Usage: 22.82mb/60.79mb (37.53%) - Disk Usage: 0.21gb/0.24gb (85.27%)
12:15.34djr|zIrssi uptime: 18d 9h 15m 32s
12:15.35djr|zstable
12:17.53Twiunbah, only 7days here
12:32.58George`DeadHostname: platinum - OS: Linux 2.4.21-4-athlon/i686 - CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2400+ (2000.130 MHz) - Processes: 82 - Uptime: 57m - Load Average: 1.97 - Memory Usage: 134.38mb/502.62mb (26.73%) - Disk Usage: 85.43gb/265.99gb (32.12%)
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12:37.29Farehi
12:37.37WintreFare!
12:37.43Farecan anyone help with installing windows drivers for the Z?
12:37.43WintreGakuk!
12:37.48FareGakuk :) :) :)
12:37.57WintreI can try, I suppose
12:38.09George`Deadargh, I'm such a fucking retard
12:38.10George`DeadARGH
12:38.37FareI'm trying to install the Z SLC700, and it doesn't appear as a network device on the Win2k machine. I suppose I misinstalled the driver.
12:39.17WintreHmm. That unfortunately I have very little experience with
12:39.33WintreI think I tried it once but without much luck - everything was in Japanese
12:41.26Fareexactly
12:41.56Fareso the screenshots are helpful, but beyond that, the docs is useless
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14:01.46absentiahmmm
14:01.53absentiaanother sirsyko..
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14:32.31absentiamorn'
14:32.38absentiais it ok to talk on this channel?
14:32.52cyn2:P
14:33.21cyn2come on in, the waters fine
14:33.31cyn2now, as far as terminal taking 2mb, i have nfc but yeah
14:33.51cyn2i run terminal and lose almost 2 megs, then do some stuff in it, and sysinfo is 2 megs less again - i quit it and only get back half the memory :|
14:34.09cyn2embeddedkonsole itself seemed to be taking the memory
14:34.13cyn2bash was runnin fairly svelt
14:34.16cyn2svelte?
14:34.21cyn2svelte.
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14:34.43absentiaya, anyway... I thought developers might want to know about that, but I think it's not a bug, it's a feature.
14:34.57absentiaI want to get 64mb or 128mb for my 700
14:35.07absentiabut until then, I can't seem to get much RAM with sharp rom
14:35.24absentiaI start off with like 8 to 10MB free, I run one program, and then I'm down to 500KB and I never get back the mem
14:35.30cyn2from what i was reading, it costs as much as a new c750/c760 to upgrade the ram in your c700
14:35.42absentiaI've tried a swap file, and that seems to allow some idle ch!t to move there, but it's just not the same.
14:35.48absentiayup
14:35.56cyn2i think the not getting memory back factor is partially 2.4
14:36.05absentiahence, I want to sell my 700 and get a 750 ... perhaps this fall or when/if my lottery comes in.
14:36.07cyn2i remember early 2.4s were experimenting with releasing memory
14:36.11absentiaah
14:36.18cyn2they got it right eventually
14:36.19cyn2but uh
14:36.20cyn2heh
14:36.25cyn2prolly not by 2.4.6
14:36.27absentiait's not a big deal.... now/yet.
14:36.29cyn2so that might be the reason
14:36.41absentiak
14:36.41cyn2i'm hopeful for the new OZ that'll use 2.4.18/.19/etc. whatever
14:36.51cyn2np
14:36.54absentianew oz?
14:37.03cyn2whenever it comes around
14:37.03absentiathat's ... a contradiction in terminology.
14:37.17cyn2well, the oz that uses the new kernel
14:37.20cyn2how's that ?
14:37.21absentiayes
14:37.28absentiathat strokes me the right way.
14:37.38cyn2except i thought the memory stuff they were doing was swap-related now that i think about it
14:37.40cyn2argh
14:37.44absentiaI'm beginning to think I should stay clear of tkc rom.
14:37.47cyn2(they: kernel devs)
14:38.01kyngelWhy's that, Absentia?  Just the memory stuff?
14:38.05cyn2that's prolly the best rom to run if you want Tk apps
14:38.27cyn2coz at least they can't give you crap about compatibility heh
14:38.35cyn2"WE DON'T SUPPORT THAT ROM"
14:38.39cyn2'you made it!'
14:39.12kyngelHas anyone tried this yet?
14:39.14kyngelhttp://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1195
14:39.34kyngelI'm intrigued, but not quite sure about it.
14:41.03cyn2looks chunky
14:41.12kyngelYeah.
14:41.13cyn2needing to be installed to ram, taking 10megs at that, and that's without runnin it
14:41.27cyn2I don't need a big desktop environ on my pda personally
14:42.20absentiakyn: what is taht link ?
14:42.23absentia(which app?)
14:42.33kyngelI just need X11.
14:42.41absentiawell, I want to run a "full" debian ... and I think I could use the extra 32mb.
14:42.46cyn2it's like a macos erm... menubar? plus libs to do cocoa apps or something
14:42.54kyngelAnd it's called myPDA.  MacOSX-like GUI.
14:43.05cyn2I ran debian w/ X on a p133 w/ 32 ram and it ran okay
14:43.07kyngelWith cocoa support, etc.
14:43.32cyn2I ran with windowmaker w/o any clip or dock, and kept things stripped down, but your web browser really eats that ram if you use multiple windows
14:43.47absentiaah, no, I haven't tried that.
14:43.52kyngelI don't need a web browser, fortunately.  Just the ability to run Tcl/Tk.
14:43.55cyn2libretto's were cool back in the day when they were *really* small
14:44.07cyn2ct50/70 etc.
14:44.26absentiakyn: ya, I wanted perl tk.... or perlqt... but there isn't really a perlqt for zaurus
14:44.38absentiaI like the 700... just needs gobs more ram!
14:44.49absentiaoh, and the maxmame, etc.... sheeeeeit!
14:44.56kyngelNo, looks like you're out of luck with Tk unless you want to run X11.
14:44.56absentiasomeone needs to compile that ch!t with gcc3 or something.
14:45.07absentiait's sad when those games run at 33% max.. 20% regular.
14:45.17cyn2heh
14:45.22cyn2that might be our gimped proc+cache
14:45.23absentiawell, I'm gonna bite the pda and learn python and qt.
14:45.40cyn2did you try it with the cache enabled kernel/rom or whatever
14:46.12kyngelThere's a 700 rom that kills the cache bug?
14:46.25cyn2no it just enables the cache
14:46.28kyngelAh.
14:46.32cyn2which is disabled for stability reasons
14:46.43cyn2i haven't used or seen it, just heard about it from someone (i thought abs tried it at one point)
14:46.44kyngelI'm looking forward to getting my hands on a 750 via work.
14:46.57absentiawhen I ran that rom
14:47.09absentiaI never had a single app or system crash
14:47.09absentiaever
14:47.19kyngelWas the performance much better?
14:47.42absentiastill, I think it's just that the mame was compile/optimized for the old arm and not the xscale.
14:47.51absentiaya
14:47.52absentiaI tried it.
14:47.57absentiaran just fine.
14:48.09absentiaI really want to get a dev system up.
14:48.09cyn2ya thats true they may have done optimizations for that since you wanna squeeze all the speed out possible
14:48.16absentiaso I cam compile some of those things myself.
14:48.34absentiaI bought 100cdrs.. and I've burned out many of my files, so I'm ready to upgrade my base system... etc.
14:48.54absentiawell, kergoth is the one that says that the gcc3 seems to spit out much better code for xsacle
14:48.56absentiaxscale
14:49.05absentiaremember, I'd say nearly 100% of the stuff is for the 5500
14:49.06kyngelHm.  The 5500 just isn't *quite* doing what I need it to.
14:49.13kyngelI need, like, one or two percent more performance out of it.
14:49.22absentiawhat are you trying to do  with it ?
14:49.42kyngelLogging binary data from 10 GPS satellites.
14:49.53kyngelThrough the serial port.
14:50.13cyn2the serial port isn't your bottleneck?
14:50.22kyngelIt's not using much CPU or memory... but anytime any process tries to preempt it, I think there's just enough downtime to cause an error.
14:50.32kyngelNo, we run it fine on a wide range of X86 machines.
14:50.41cyn2hm
14:50.41kyngelIt's just standard 115200 baud.
14:50.53cyn2did you try nice-ing your proc up, that might help
14:51.04kyngelIt's built into the program.
14:51.04cyn2it's still not ideal, but more processing power won't guarantee anything either
14:51.16kyngelIt uses hdparam to set a few settings, too.
14:51.26cyn2what can you hdparm on a Z ?
14:51.38kyngelCF cards.
14:51.43kyngelHaven't tried SD.
14:51.46cyn2badass i didnt know you could hdparm cf
14:51.53cyn2i knew the cf interface is basically ide
14:51.54absentiawhat's hdparm ?
14:51.55kyngelYeah, the Z sees it as /dev/hda.
14:52.07cyn2absentia hard drive performance tweaking basically
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14:52.24absentiaI have yet to see any *decent* benchmarks between, 5500/700/750/760 with sharp/oz  gcc2/gcc3
14:52.38absentiapeople just keep saying "700 is faster" or "5500 is faster" or "750 is awesome, so much faster"
14:52.47absentiaah.
14:53.06cyn2I would definitely believe that 750/760 are fastest
14:53.06kyngelSo, cross-compiled hdparm.  Did one quick test, with unmaskirq on.
14:53.09absentiakyn: are you using oz or sharp?
14:53.18kyngelOZ.
14:53.19absentiaI've had a bunch of lockups with sharp when writing a lot to sd.
14:53.21cyn2coz they have the fixed proc, and the full ram
14:53.27cyn2you get that regardles
14:53.30cyn2its the module for SD
14:53.32absentiathey do not have the fixed proc... ?
14:53.32cyn2:|
14:53.33kyngelWell, I'm still trying to get my hands on an SD card.
14:53.49cyn2yea 750/760 have the 255
14:53.56absentiaI've seen posts where it shows that 750 has almost no difference over the 700
14:54.02kyngelBut I'd think hdparm would work fine on SD, too.  It still sees it as a /dev/hd#
14:54.06absentiaprobably a poor benchmark, but there's just nothing out there.
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14:54.18cyn2doesn't 750 have 64 ram
14:54.20kyngelThat's why I'm floundering, Absentia.
14:54.36cyn2i thought 750 - 760 difference was just larger battery and more rom space
14:54.46kyngelI don't wanna drop $700 on an import without some proof it's better than a $300 5500.
14:54.52cyn2ya
14:54.59cyn2$220 :P
14:55.07kyngelWell, depending on the source.  :)
14:55.24cyn2just like the first figure can be 500 iirc
14:55.27kyngelMaybe I can get it down that far... may be buying as many as 8.
14:55.32cyn2still a big chunk if theres no diff
14:55.51kyngelYeah, it depends on if you get it from Dynamism with the translation, or go in and fix it to English yourself.
14:56.01kyngelYou can get it for $500 if you think you can do that yourself.
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14:57.03cyn2kinda confirms that stuff from before absentia - which is good, as a new kernel should definitely help
14:57.10sashzkyngel, if you listen 'english translation' in zaurus, it is lie.
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14:57.26kyngelHow's that, sashz?
14:57.28sashz'english translation' always presented in zaurus
14:57.32cyn2no
14:57.36cyn2they translate the hancom apps
14:57.42sashzHAHAHAHAHHA
14:57.42cyn2which don't get translated with just the locales tweak
14:57.46sashzHAHAHA
14:57.52sashzit's lie
14:57.59cyn2HAHAHAHAHAHAH i have a c700 i got myself and the locales tweak DID NOT fix the hancom apps
14:58.08cyn2it fixed parts.
14:58.14cyn2but large parts of them were still fubar
14:58.25sashzwanna know how add 'eng translation' in Hancom???
14:58.32kyngelAnything aside from the Hancom apps, though, cyn2?
14:58.35cyn2i don't particularly need it, but sure
14:58.38cyn2kyngel: no heh
14:58.49absentiaI'd get a 750 only to run full debian / oz
14:58.53absentiaI wouldn't care about the hancom
14:58.55cyn2yea
14:58.56kyngelExcellent.  The Hancom apps are gonna be uninstalled right away, so... :)
14:59.07absentiaalso, I have a 700, so I'm thinking if picking up a $173 5500 is worth it
14:59.12absentiaor if I should put that money into a 750.
14:59.27sashzrm -f $QTDIR/bin/word-eucJP.rc
14:59.34absentiaI'm thinking if I could sell my 700, I could keep all the parts (extra battery, sd, cf, etc) .. and just split the difference with 750
14:59.45Twiunre
14:59.48absentiaof course, I also would like a real pc at home for games, I've had a really awesome graphics card for about a year.
14:59.53sashzrm -rf $QTDIR/i18n/ja
15:00.03absentiawell, it seems to be awesome by the ratings, I just don't have a cmputer to use it in .
15:00.09sashzhehehe
15:00.16absentiaati radeon 9800 pro
15:00.16sashz"english translation"
15:00.32absentiagot about $1K in games that have nice pretty pictures.... on the box.
15:00.38cyn2so it's jsut the i18n and the resource file telling it to stay jap
15:00.48cyn2why wasn't this found before haha
15:00.48sashzYES
15:01.01cyn2or if it was, why did noone post it on the forums
15:01.13sashzi made it in april, for ru company, which sell zauruses in rusiia hehehe
15:01.14cyn2I stopped reading them like May
15:01.19absentiahave you seen my page?
15:02.01kyngelSpasibo on the translation, sashz.
15:02.19sashz;)
15:02.28cyn2spasibo?
15:02.33kyngelDa.
15:02.35absentiahttp://externe.net/zaurus/faq/index.php/ThatsNotAll
15:02.47cyn2don't make me hit up babelfish :P
15:02.59cyn2'good job'?
15:03.00kyngelHeh.  'Thank you'.
15:03.01cyn2'nice work' ?
15:03.02cyn2ah
15:03.17sashzkyngel ti otkuda? :)
15:03.24kyngelNo, if I recall correctly, the best translation of 'nice job' would probably be, uh... otlichno?
15:03.37kyngelsashz, I'm just starting to learn a little.  :)
15:03.42sashzotlichno ;)
15:04.03sashzok, need go out some time...
15:04.13kyngelKonechno, I got something right for once.  My Russian teacher would be proud.  :)
15:04.29Twiunabsentia: from that page: "    * irc.freenode.net --> #zaurus, #openzaurus (be careful, animals may bite)
15:04.30absentiaruki veer?
15:04.58absentiaI forget if I found that or put that in there myself.
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15:05.27absentiabut seems appropriate
15:05.29cyn2its true either way
15:05.34absentia:-)
15:05.37kyngelBy the way, sashz, if you're still around: what is 'ti otkuda'?
15:05.49sashzif you have qestions about localization ask me :)
15:05.54absentiaI ned to clean up some of the stuff at the end, I just ended up cutting and pasting in a hurry.
15:06.09sashz'ti otkuda' = 'are you from'?
15:06.19kyngelAh, thanks.
15:06.31effy-kunanyone happen to know how to force Win XP to start an ethernet interface even when there is no cable connected?
15:06.48kyngelI'm moving to NYC soon, going to be spending a good amount of time in a russian neighborhood.
15:06.53absentiawhere
15:07.09absentiaI lived at 21 west street (2 blocks south of the trade center) .. but I moved from there to times square.
15:07.10effy-kuninteresting, I just finished watching a movie about a Russian sub hehe
15:07.31absentiaya, hunt for the red october... h0h0h0
15:07.34kyngelI'm gonna be going to St. John's University in Queens, but a very nice girl I met there lives in a Russian neighborhood.  :)
15:07.43effy-kunno, K-19
15:07.46effy-kundork :P
15:08.00kyngelOh, good god.  Harrison Ford trying to do a Russian accent?
15:08.19absentiawhat I need help with is getting debian to run x windows
15:08.32cyn2abs your desktop or Z
15:08.32absentiathe graphical x setup that worked under freebsd...
15:08.36effy-kunall of them were immitating Russian accents haha
15:08.39absentiabut under debian, it's all scrambled.
15:08.48cyn2those graphical setups never seemed to work
15:09.08absentiawell
15:09.08absentiaI have virtual pc.... have had it for a long time
15:09.08absentiaworks great
15:09.15kyngelTimes square, abs?  Isn't that, uh, expensive?
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15:09.24absentiaso, I run debian under it... it does a standard s3 trident graphics, standard sound and ethernet
15:09.31absentiabut I can't get the x nuder debian to work.
15:09.35absentiaunder freebsd, it worked right away.
15:09.42absentiaI fight I could copy the settings from freebsd to debian.
15:09.52absentiaanyway, once I get that up, I'll have a oz buildroot, etc.
15:10.03absentiasince the buildroot is "linsuxed" .. and doesn't work under freebsd.
15:10.24absentiaI figure, that way, at least I could compile stuff with gcc3.... and get it back out there
15:10.38absentiaso we wouldn't have to deal with all the old crap compiled with gcc2 etc.
15:11.21bipolarabsentia: I have a gcc3 feed already.
15:11.43bipolarabsentia: http://bipolar.longbros.com/zaurus/feed-gcc3
15:12.05bipolarabsentia: or are you talking about something completely diffrent?
15:13.17absentianope
15:13.18absentiajust that
15:13.34absentiabut I have been lazy, since I dropped my t1 at home... I don't have a place to upload things anymore.
15:14.23absentiaya, no mame/maxmame/advmame
15:15.58Twiunabsentia: is there python support for freebsd?
15:17.24absentiathe externe.net zaurus forum doesn't seem to recognize when you log in, that you are there and should be able to use php wiki
15:17.25absentiafine
15:17.31absentiabut now the php wiki won't run under mozilla
15:17.37absentiatw: yes, of course.
15:17.45absentiafreebsd has awesome application support
15:17.52absentiait's just not as good at hardware support.
15:18.01kyngelHm.  Anyone use rend at all?
15:18.11Twiunabsentia: start playing with openembedded then ;)
15:18.29Twiunabsentia: if the buildroot is too linuzised
15:21.04absentiaopenembedded runs on zaurus ?
15:21.11kyngelDoh.  Never mind.  Didn't install properly to ram.
15:21.51absentiaok, now I have to send myself an email
15:21.59absentiaand go over to the pc to put in the gcc3 feed
15:22.11absentiawhat is different between your gcc3 feed, bipolar, and the oz c700 feed
15:22.13absentiawhich is gcc3?
15:22.43sashzim back. :)
15:23.06absentiagood chat here today.
15:23.18sashzhere shots from C7x0 with russian localization http://cacko.biz/~sash/slc7x0/maccentre/
15:24.42djrapps compiled with gcc2 will still run on the gcc3 feed, right?
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15:25.40absentiaI think you need a libc6 or something like that
15:26.46sashzlibstdc++ for gcc2
15:27.00kyngelI like it, sashz.
15:27.58sashzhttp://cacko.biz/~sash/slc7x0/maccentre/scrn005.png - "englished word", hehe
15:28.20absentiaoh ya, the nuclear disk drive ....
15:28.45absentiadoes anyone here run any mame or mess?
15:29.24kyngelIt wouldn't, by any chance, be trivial to switch it back and forth, would it?
15:30.09kyngelBetween English and Russian, that is.
15:30.31sashzsimply
15:31.03sashzin right bottom edge you seen EN? it is switcher for keyboard layouts.
15:31.26sashzfor system language switching use Language apps from Settings.
15:31.39kyngelIs there a standard Cyrillic layout?  I have one I use, but I've got no idea if it's standard or arbitrary.  :)
15:32.07sashzJCUKEN standart
15:32.25sashzkeyboard standard
15:32.31kyngelOkay.
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15:33.52djripkg upgrade still doesnt work right for me
15:33.52djrhehe
15:34.18trekewhat else is new :)
15:34.22kyngelThat's pretty intriuging, sashz.
15:36.14bobbydwhat do people think of konqueror vs Opera?
15:36.27djri like konq more
15:36.50kyngelUm.  Hmm.  I probably shouldn't be lettnig my Z's power adapter sit in a puddle of water as it's plugged in.
15:36.51bobbydfor what reasons?
15:37.30trekeit can be run on gcc 3 based roms :)
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15:39.04kyngelArgh... and now AQPkg has developed a nasty lockup.
15:39.36kyngelThat's what I get for installing those non-OZ ipkgs, I guess.  :)
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15:40.36absentiais this the only server that has these channels
15:40.37absentia?
15:40.42absentiaie: network of one server?
15:40.51absentiaor what are some others that are open that I could connect to ?
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15:42.19bobbydabsentia: the freenode irc network only has one server name, but it consists of a lot of servers
15:42.31bobbydand yes this is the only network with these channels
15:42.41trekeat least it did at one point
15:42.46trekelately I'm not so sure
15:42.50bobbyd:)
15:43.04bobbyd"we are having some problems with hubbing and are working on fixing the situation."
15:43.31trekebobbyd: They've been having problems with hubbing for the past two years
15:44.08bobbydthat's a standard message?
15:44.31trekedefine standard :)
15:44.37trekeit's sent out more or less every day
15:46.02bobbydi mean a message that wasnt typed by someone today and is unique
15:46.41trekeby that definition it isnt a standard message
15:50.19bobbydwhat about if I changed is to isn't ?
15:50.21bobbyd:)
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15:52.53kyngelHm... renice daemon did something interesting.  :)
15:52.56warmihi
15:53.06kyngelIt didn't help much, but at least it was interesting.  :)
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16:01.38absentiaok
16:01.40absentialunch delivered.
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16:10.31absentiahey
16:10.36absentiawe should chat here
16:10.39absentiatreke
16:11.38absentiait was freezing.
16:11.47absentiapier 39... crab king.. whatever that place was
16:11.50trekewouldnt want to interrupt the very on topic development work that always takes place ion #oe :)
16:11.53absentiaman, I wanted to eat $100 worth of crab myself.
16:11.59absentiatreke: exactly.
16:12.21kyngelHeh... you ever come down to the Eastern Shore of Maryland, abs, I'll show you what $100 of crab REALLY looks like.  :)
16:12.52absentiaI was born and lived in Williamsburg VA for 18-21 years....
16:13.00absentiaI do miss the crab
16:13.02kyngelOkay, then.
16:13.10kyngelSo you *do* know.  :)
16:13.39kyngelWith the carnage I've seen at $25 'all-you-can-eat' crab places...  :)
16:14.34absentiaya
16:14.42absentia$20 worth of crabs was 4 leg sections in san fran
16:14.45absentia4 leg section.
16:14.53bobbydbet you dont know what £100 of scottish crab looks like...
16:14.57absentiaeven red lobster has over salted crab.. so yo have to buy drinks
16:15.08absentiabut I've had orders for all you can eat... go to multiple check slips!
16:15.15absentiaknow what what ?
16:15.30kyngelWhat what?
16:15.54absentia<bobbyd> bet you dont know what £100 of scottish crab looks like...
16:16.22trekeI dont think I could take 100 pounds of crab :)
16:16.57absentiawell, I could eat $100 worth of crab in san fran
16:17.01absentiatha's 16 leg sections
16:17.06absentia64 legs?
16:17.30absentiaalthough, my wife can eat crabs 2x as fast as I can, and leave almost no meat.
16:18.17kyngelOh, man... you guys have me wanting crabs for dinner now.  :)
16:18.39absentiaI have been craving seafood... specifically crab.
16:18.50absentiaI went to the south street sea port yesterday, but I didn't get crab
16:18.51bobbydgo and buy some
16:18.52kyngelThe Red Roost is only 15 min. down the road.
16:18.55absentiathere's a red lobster opening in times square
16:18.59absentiaI want to go to city crab, though.
16:19.01bobbydwrtie a gps based crab meat locator
16:19.05absentiaI just don't wanna go broke getting crab in nyc
16:19.11absentiahahah
16:19.30bobbydtag some crabs and track them on your zaurus
16:19.35kyngelHeh, yeah.  I can just about afford noodles in NYC.  :)
16:19.37bobbydthen buy a boat and hunt them down
16:19.47absentiathere are some good deals
16:19.50absentiabut much is overpriced
16:19.52kyngelThank goodness for meal plans.  :)
16:19.54absentiaI went out for chinese... 4 people
16:19.55bobbydon boats?
16:19.56absentia$240
16:20.02kyngelWhooo....
16:20.19kyngelYeah, time to eat cafeteria food for a couple years.  :)
16:20.34absentiawhere are you moving again ?
16:20.40kyngelQueens.
16:20.43kyngelSt. John's University.
16:20.56absentiaah
16:20.57kyngelIs right in Jamaica.
16:21.00absentiaok
16:21.07kyngelAny advice?
16:21.08absentiaI don't know queens... I barely know manhattan
16:21.10absentiaget a gun ?
16:21.22kyngelHeh, the uni itself is in a pretty nice neighborhood.
16:21.30kyngelAnd they won't let me bring my cannon.  :)
16:22.18kyngelI suppose smaller firearms would be in order.  :)
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16:22.28bobbydkyngel; what're you studying?
16:22.32absentiaya
16:22.35absentiaI left my 9mm out west.
16:22.47kyngelComputer science for now.  Looking at a focus on law.
16:23.05kyngelI have a few shotguns.  No handguns, though.
16:23.13absentiaah
16:23.17absentiaI studied computer sciences a while back.
16:23.43kyngelIt's what I got a full scholarship for, so I can't complain.  :)
16:24.04kyngelNo way I would've gotten that if I'd applied as a law student.
16:25.12absentiacongrats!
16:25.16absentiawhere are you moving from ?
16:25.17bobbydI'm sure I did at some point, it was so long ago though....
16:25.25kyngelThanks.  Moving from the Eastern Shore of MD.
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16:25.44absentiaah, right
16:25.44kyngelgonna be a big change from small town to NYC.  :)
16:25.47absentiawhat's that place
16:25.48absentiaphillips...
16:25.57kyngelSalisbury.
16:26.01absentiabaltimore harbor
16:26.08kyngelHeh, other side of the state.
16:26.26kyngelWe're the Delmarva Peninsula... we're that bit that sticks out of the country.  :)
16:26.42absentiayup
16:26.44kyngelOr, as they appropriately call it, "lower, slower Delmarva."
16:26.47absentiaI've never taken the bridge from va to there
16:26.48kyngelMuch slower.
16:26.54absentiamuahaha
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16:27.17kyngelLooking forward to it, though.
16:27.20kyngelHad orientation last week.
16:27.25kyngelLOVED it.
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16:27.38kyngelNot only for the free laptop. ^.^
16:27.45absentiaha
16:28.16kyngelWhich, I was surprised to see, isn't a cheap throwaway, but a good machine.
16:29.07absentiawhich one is it.
16:29.17kyngelIBM ThinkPad.
16:29.38kyngel1.3 gigahertz Centrino, 384 megs of RAM, 40 gig HD.
16:29.47fliplapthats cause thinkpads don't break
16:29.49kyngelWired and wireless net.
16:29.58fliplapno one wants to support crappy laptops
16:30.02kyngelYeah.
16:30.34kyngelHeh, I'm not even gonna bother making it dual-boot.
16:30.49kyngelI'll just keep my desktop in the dorm room running a remote desktop.
16:31.02kyngelAnd VNC in from my Zaurus or the laptop.
16:32.21absentiaI had an x20
16:32.25absentiawith the little light on the screen
16:32.32absentiaso you could see the keyboard in the dark
16:32.42absentiabut the screen was top heavy, unless you had the media attachment on it
16:32.45absentiait would roll off your lap
16:32.54kyngel*grumps*  And the Z is *still* not keeping up, even with the datalogger reniced to -19.
16:32.57absentiaalso, with that much ram, I highly suggest getting virtual pc
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16:40.05kyngelHeh... no wonder renice wasn't helping my performance.
16:40.30kyngelThe datalogger itself schedules itself higher than renice can.
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16:46.20kyngelTime to go look at C750 prices again. :)
16:47.44absentiakyn: sell me your 5500 when you get to nyc
16:47.45absentia:->
16:48.02kyngelNot gonna happen.  That's my personal Z.  :)
16:48.10kyngelThe 750 is gonna stay at work when I leave.
16:48.11absentiabuy my 700 :-)
16:48.21absentiaI'll take the 5500 and some cash :-)
16:48.26kyngelHow much?
16:48.33absentiadunno. heheh.. :-)
16:48.36absentiaI want to get a 750 too.
16:48.58kyngelTell you what, we sell both and buy a pair of 750s.  Maybe we can get a discount for 2.  :)
16:49.32absentiathere was a group buy
16:49.39absentiaI was thinking about trying to get into one of those..
16:49.43absentiabut I'm not in too much of a hurry.
16:49.57absentiawhere does you work that work provides a c750 ?
16:50.04kyngelNASA.
16:50.10bobbyd:)
16:50.13kyngelWe're using the Z for datalogging stuff on an airplane.
16:50.33absentiaah
16:50.38absentiaI worked for NASA/Langley for a while.
16:50.54kyngelYeah, I worked at NASA/GSFC for two summers.
16:51.16kyngelThis summer, working for a NASA scientist out of the local airport.
16:52.23kyngelGreat job.  :)
16:53.41kyngelI love the whole intern thing.
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16:55.41kyngelI'm pretty sure that having the two NASA internships on my resume got me that scholarship.
16:57.48kyngelNot that I'd work there as a career.  :)
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17:00.35bhsxbah, ghost is still there :(
17:00.42bhsxanyone remember how to kill it?
17:01.09kyngelDon't cross the streams.
17:01.17bhsxcrossing the streams is bad?
17:01.20warmiit is gonna die on its own
17:01.25trekevery bad
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17:07.02bhsxbah
17:07.04bhsxoh well
17:07.46bhsxso anyway... the VirtualBoyAdvance link on killefiz seems to be down... anyone know a good GBA emulator?
17:09.09kyngelLet me know if you find one.
17:11.16absentiaI use maxmame, but it's too slow to be usable on c700
17:13.24bhsxc700 has the 400MHz chip, doesn't it?
17:18.10bhsxVisualBoyAdvance-SDL1.4 on a japanese page here: http://www.suhami.net/zaurus/index.cgi?VBA#i1
17:18.20kergothbhsx: mhz doesnt mean much.
17:24.51prhevening kergoth
17:25.03kergothhey prh
17:25.23kergothprh: sashz has flashed his c7x0 with new kernels, and i'm sitting in an OZ console on my c750
17:25.27kergothprogress.
17:25.52prhkergoth`lunch: superb!
17:26.02prhkergoth`lunch: bah! :O)
17:28.39kyngelHm.  How do I check what priority level a program is running at?
17:29.00kyngelps just shows an angle or an N-looking thing.
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18:06.51George-kergoth: do you know anything about transcode?
18:07.10fliplapdon't use transcode, use mencoder
18:07.27George-fliplap: I can't work out how to use mencoder
18:07.41fliplapwhat are you trying to transcode to what?
18:07.43George-I'm trying to convert a MJPEG file to XVid
18:08.01fliplapread the mencoder encoding section on the player site
18:08.20George-mplayerhq.hu?
18:08.24fliplaphttp://mp.dev.hu/DOCS/encoding.html
18:09.42George-fliplap: does it support XVid?
18:09.53fliplapyes
18:09.59fliplapxvid = divx5
18:10.05George-not quite
18:10.07George-afaik
18:10.09fliplapvery close
18:10.29George-xvid gives better quality imho ;)
18:10.46fliplapi don't think you know what you're talking about :)
18:10.51George-bah
18:11.34George-fliplap: well, give me the command to convert from MJPEG to DivX5 and I'll convert to mencoder
18:11.39Neo|WorkGeorge-: dude, mencoder is so much easier than transcode. :)
18:11.52fliplapi gave you a link
18:11.59fliplapthat tells you exactly how to do it
18:12.06hardwireI gave you my mothers milk!
18:13.31George-Reading /home/george/.mplayer/codecs.conf: can't open '/home/george/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
18:14.13fliplapok, so find your codec.conf, its likely somewhere in /etc, and copy it
18:14.27fliplapcodecs.conf rather
18:14.49Neo|WorkGeorge-: sure it doesn't load some other codecs.conf?
18:15.21George-yes
18:16.09George-grah, I hate mplayer
18:16.13George-er.. mencoder
18:16.39fliplapdon't hate it because you don't understand it
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18:17.03fliplapif you want point and click video encoding, go use windows :-)
18:17.28George-fliplap: I prefer transcode, I find it easier
18:17.46fliplapshrug
18:20.07George-in any case, transcode sounds cooler than mencoder, and xvid sounds cooler than divx ;P
18:20.49kergoth~bitchslap George-
18:20.51ACTION beats the sh*t out of George-
18:21.16George-<kergoth> ~<filtered>slap George-
18:21.19George-hah
18:23.08fliplapthis interview with Darryl McBride is a riot
18:25.28treke~bitchslap George-
18:25.29ACTION beats the sh*t out of George-
18:26.19fliplaphaha, he says IBM's infringement is a derivative works issue, he goes through like 6 generations of sysV code. "Which is a derivative of X, which is a derivative of Y, which is a derivative of Z <and so on>"
19:00.46bhsxvisualboyadvance does work... albeit extremely slowly on my sl5500
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19:11.54fdaskwhat rom u runnin right now W8TVI?
19:12.00W8TVIbut I went to a public wifi place
19:12.11W8TVItkc rc4
19:12.20W8TVIhate it/love it
19:12.35W8TVIi cant play my mp3s
19:12.47kyngelGet mpg123?
19:12.50kergothfyi i'm finally getting net access at home tomorrow
19:12.59kergothso OZ will no longer be stagnant wrt releases
19:13.05Pendalarhow did you live w/o it ;-)
19:13.06W8TVIcool
19:13.13kergothPendalar: good question, went nearly 2 months w/o it
19:13.29PendalarI did that once for about 1.5 month.. nearly went nuts
19:13.36kergothi didnt mind it during the week
19:13.43kergothi mean since i was in front of a damn pc all day
19:13.45Pendalarreal life just isn't all that fun
19:13.47kergothbut the weekends were boring
19:14.07Pendalarev1 or another company?
19:14.12fdaskmadplay is a good CLI mp3 player
19:14.19W8TVItkc is lackinh most all the stuff that i want
19:14.21kergothsomeone should make a centericq ipk
19:14.34Pendalaror gaim =-p
19:14.36W8TVIi dont want a cli mp3 player
19:14.39trekeI volunteer kergoth
19:14.49kergothtreke: it has a lot more dependencies than you think :)
19:14.57kergothi started and couldnt be bothered to finish
19:15.00fliplapPendalar: gaim in about a month
19:15.04trekekergoth: really?
19:15.09W8TVIalmost done downloading
19:15.26Pendalarwoohoo
19:15.35trekekergoth: libc6,libcc1, libgnutls, libncurses, libstdc++
19:15.48mewynsomeone needs to kick sco in the balls
19:15.50PendalarI don't like gaim really but there's not too many icq/msim/aim/+ in one
19:15.59kergoththats it? couldve sworn it needed something else. mustve mixed it up with another app
19:16.09W8TVIback in a few
19:16.13trekelibgnutls is the only thing I dont think we have
19:16.25trekeit may have funky dependencies
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19:37.06prhkergoth: managed a kernel recompile for the 750?
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19:50.28W8TVIi'm back in oz... now to download some packages
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20:02.19MobileZIMhy
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20:11.16W8TVIcould some one tell me what my host/ip is?
20:11.56absentiano
20:12.18W8TVIwhy not?
20:14.02ljp_laptop_says root@home.com
20:14.34MobileZIMjusy /whois yourself
20:14.47W8TVIi cant
20:14.53W8TVInot with zic
20:15.07MobileZIMhmm, i am on zic too
20:15.15MobileZIMi didnt know that
20:16.02W8TVIneed ircii
20:16.16W8TVIlol
20:16.22W8TVIback in a few
20:16.54MobileZIMwe ned BitchX for Z
20:16.59MobileZIM:)
20:17.06kergothnah, just install the irssi ipk
20:17.08kergoth:)
20:20.17phoen][xman those tkc guys are really bitchy: they published the zImage of their new rom but there's no initrd
20:21.51kergothheh, why would they do taht?
20:22.07phoen][xdont ask me. look: http://community.zaurus.com/project/showfiles.php?group_id=47&release_id=188
20:22.33phoen][xthe rc3 had one seperate column for initrd.bin's - this one hasnt.
20:22.51kergothodd.
20:23.39ljp_laptop_you can flash jsut the zImage
20:24.19phoen][xljp_laptop_: of course. but one might say that most users would expect an initrd as well.
20:24.45ljp_laptop_maybe it hasnt been updated, or doesnt need it
20:26.43phoen][xhmm, well the rc3 initrd isnt there anymore. i *could* take the copy from my ~, but what would the new kernel give me? everything works right now..
20:27.28kergothno changelog?
20:28.08ljp_laptop_thats reminds me to add qtopia/qte changelogs to my list
20:28.59ljp_laptop_oh, I guess qte has them
20:29.09kergothdidnt zecke say the most recent qte didnt have one though?
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20:29.39ljp_laptop_oh.. hmm
20:29.52ljp_laptop_I thought that was change from that version
20:30.10kergothyeah, doesnt it contain the incremental changes from the previous ver?
20:30.22George-hey all
20:30.24George-fliplap: you bastard.
20:30.28George-fliplap: mencoder worked perfectly.
20:30.40Pendalara friend of mine compiled bitchx for the z
20:30.46Pendalarnot sure he still has it but I can check
20:31.05phoen][xkergoth: not really a changelog. i found some general document somewhere the other day, but it didnt explain why they don't provide an initrd.
20:34.20Neo|Workhahah http://www.powergenitalia.com/
20:34.33Neo|Work(it's very work safe)
20:35.52cyn2hah i remember that
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20:50.09TCMANhi
20:50.16warmihi
20:51.26TCMANwarmi: i just upgraded my z to OZ unstable :)
20:51.44warmiand ?
20:52.52George-TCMAN!
20:52.55TCMANwarmi: still working, although i botched it first time :)
20:53.00TCMANGeorge-: !
20:53.00George-The ATI employee from hell!
20:53.09kergothhrmph
20:53.19George-heya kergoth
20:53.21TCMANkergoth: :)
20:53.58TCMANkergoth: are wireless settings stored in wireless.opts still in latest OZ ?
20:54.02kergothnope
20:54.06kergoththey're stored in /etc/network/interfaces
20:54.13kergothcomment out all the lines in wireless.opts or they can interfere
20:54.19TCMANkergoth: thats what i thought :)
20:54.20George-trust kergoth to break backward compatibility
20:54.20warmiah , George- and his remarkably thoughtful remarks :-)
20:54.27George-warmi: :))))
20:54.36phoen][xomg not you lamers again ;)
20:54.57kergothoops, damnit.
20:54.58George-TCMAN: I fixed the laptop from hell
20:55.06TCMANuh oh i dont see /etc/network/interfaces :)
20:55.13TCMANGeorge-: have you sold it ?
20:55.20phoen][xTCMAN: haha
20:55.31phoen][xon ebay for 1$
20:56.15George-TCMAN: don't be stupid.
20:56.28warmiGeorge-: well, you really should
20:56.36warmithat thing is giving you nothing but trouble
20:56.37mewynhey warmi
20:56.43warmihi mewyn
20:56.47phoen][xGeorge-: its in repair again no?
21:02.03George-warmi: uh, I'd get very little for it.
21:02.08George-warmi: I can't afford anything else.
21:02.53TCMANGeorge-: get rid of it and get cheap ass pc notebook :)
21:03.05George-TCMAN: get stuffed.
21:03.15George-TCMAN: I want my two 5 hour batteries.
21:03.34George-TCMAN: not to mention the fact that it is incredibly light
21:04.45TCMANGeorge-: yeah, but you never get any use of it because its out for repairs
21:05.10George-TCMAN: rubbish, I get about 1 day's use for every week it's in repair :)
21:05.17TCMANhehe
21:05.45TCMANGeorge-: at least this tibook makes you famous
21:06.02TCMANGeorge-: whole zaurus channel and half of internet knows your repair saga :)
21:06.12George-TCMAN: hah
21:06.21George-TCMAN: everyone knows me as an annoying fucker anyway :)
21:07.19warmiyou can get a decent laptop for around $600
21:07.23warmiwell, relatively decent
21:09.00George-warmi: that's light and has a five hour battery?
21:10.10warmiwell, your laptop these days barely survives for an hour
21:10.11George-I quite honestly couldn't care less about CPU power
21:10.15George-warmi: mine?
21:10.19George-warmi: I got my battery replaced
21:10.22warmiyeahm you said so
21:10.24George-warmi: I now have 2x5 hours
21:10.26George-;)
21:10.39warmiwell, do you really need that much ?
21:10.43George-yes
21:10.44warmi:-)
21:10.48mewyni found a sweet laptop, dell latitude D800
21:10.52mewyn1920x1200
21:11.02George-warmi: I need a laptop thin enough to stick in my bag along with all my books
21:11.04warmijust admit it .. you are Apple bigot , hehe ... that's all there is to it
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21:11.20warmi1920x1200 ?????
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21:11.25warmithat's insane
21:11.28George-mewyn: yeh, I saw that
21:11.35George-mewyn: drooling for that sort of resolution
21:11.36warmimy desktop runs at 1280x1024
21:11.37warmiheh
21:11.38George-I WANT A HIGHER RESOLUTION
21:11.43George-That's the only problem I have with mine
21:11.44mewynwarmi: enough screen real estate to build a mansion :)
21:11.47chouimatmewyn: price?
21:11.50George-warmi: that's an evil resolution
21:11.53mewyn3k fully loaded
21:12.01George-3k? that's cheap
21:12.03warmiGeorge-: : yaah .. we went over that one already :-)
21:12.08George-mine was 4600 when I got it
21:12.12George-warmi: hah :)
21:12.42chouimatGeorge-: 2100cad for an ibook g3 900
21:13.07George-well, mine was $4600 USD for a PowerBook G4 667
21:13.09George-and it's crap.
21:13.38George-warmi: I'm not an apple fan, I'm regarded by mac zealots as a flaming linux loving zealot
21:16.42warmireally ?
21:17.00warmiwell, you are regarded by linux zealots as a flaming apple loving zealot :-)
21:17.30TCMANwhat can be worse than mac zealot ?
21:17.36TCMANlinux on mac zealot!
21:17.38warmiamiga zealot ?
21:17.40TCMAN:))))
21:17.44warmiat least mac do exist
21:17.50WintreDefinitely an amiga zealot
21:17.52TCMANamoga zealots died off
21:18.13TCMANhehe, my dad is goint to send me amiga he bought for me lately
21:18.43TCMANa1200 in standard case + blizzard ppc 175mhz/48040 25mhz  and bvision card
21:18.57George-dood, it's all about the TRS-80
21:19.08TCMANhe is supposed to add custom cooling for it, and i just sent him notebook drive for the harddrive
21:19.37TCMANand then i am going to play battle squadron, take'm out and ports of call on this amiga :)
21:20.17George-TCMAN: hahaha, does it even need cooling? :)
21:22.15TCMANGeorge-: yeah, both ppc and 68k need cooling
21:22.25George-:P
21:22.30TCMANGeorge-: it actually has some heatpipe cooling and had ugly heatsing
21:22.31George-well anyway
21:22.49TCMANGeorge-: but this turbo was used in desktop case and i want it in standard case
21:23.01TCMANGeorge-: so my dad will make some custom cooling for it
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21:24.07George`CodingTCMAN: ok
21:29.18George`Codingok
21:29.24George`Codinganyone here good at graphics?
21:29.27George`Codingi need an icon ;)
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21:34.32fishyuhh
21:34.58fishyI just went into the D+P+Hard reset menu
21:35.04fishyand now I cant get out :P
21:36.39kergothgo into the extra menu
21:36.45kergoththen hit 'clear debug flag'
21:36.46kergoththen reset
21:37.07fishyok :)
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22:01.37JohnZwhere can i download imagepad source code?
22:01.38prhkergoth: got a kernel and flash image of OZ for 750 for me yet :O)
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22:10.56fishyWhy does my SD card(256sandisk ext2) not auto mount when I insert it?
22:11.07fishyrunning OZ 3.2 BTW
22:13.58prhok bed time
22:14.30kergothprh: updating the kernel configuration now
22:14.46kergothprh: i'll have an experimental image+kernel+updater.sh on openzaurus.org tomorrow
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22:29.46George`Codingbugger bugger bugger bugger
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22:31.05prhkergoth: Cooool! zzzzzZzzzzz
22:32.17George`Codinganal buggery.
22:33.09George`Codingwoot, it worked
22:49.18Pendalarkergoth: does that mean there'll be a new post on the page ;-)
22:49.29kergothyeah
22:49.43absentiaSdon't hold yer breath
22:49.48George`Codingbugger.
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22:53.18George`Codingis "delete this" valid?
22:53.23George`Codingwell, "delete this;"
23:01.21Pendalareon-libflac is pissing me off
23:01.37Pendalarthat ipk has to be corrupt or something
23:01.38Pendalarer get off
23:03.12Pendalarfigures
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23:03.16Pendalardidn't look above
23:03.27Pendalarany eon people on?
23:03.33George`Codingibot hug $nick is <action> hugs $nick
23:03.33George`Coding: okay
23:03.36ZicUserwahooo irc from my zaurus!!
23:03.39George`Codingibot hug Pendalar
23:03.41ACTION hugs Pendalar
23:03.46Pendalarget that gay thing off me
23:03.49fishyhmmm
23:03.53absentiaSI wish I could IM from the zaurus
23:03.55Pendalarisn't warmi a member of eon?
23:03.58George`CodingPendalar: fine then, he goes for your mum then
23:04.02George`Coding~momsex Pendalar
23:04.03ACTION has sex with Pendalar's mom
23:04.10PendalarIM what protocol?
23:04.19absentiaSAOL/IM
23:04.21PendalarGeorge`Coding: if you'd ever seen my mother, that's really sick
23:04.29ZicUseri'm IMing too
23:04.30George`CodingPendalar: kergoth put in that action :P
23:04.46ZicUsercheck out QTJabber
23:04.53Pendalarhe probably didn't imagine you getting your hands on it
23:05.07George`CodingPendalar: actually, he coded it to use on me.
23:05.10George`Coding;)_
23:05.22George`Coding~momsex kergoth
23:05.24ACTION has sex with kergoth's mom
23:05.31George`Coding~momsex Pendalar and kergoth
23:05.32ACTION has sex with Pendalar and kergoth's mom
23:05.45Pendalarhate to tell you but it's not the same woman
23:05.50George`Codinglol
23:07.34trekevery true. kergoth's mom is better in the sack
23:07.44George`Codinghahahahaha
23:08.08Pendalartreke it's VERY sick you'd think about about having sex with my mother
23:08.14Pendalarunless you are 50ish and into that
23:08.23Pendalareven then it's sick
23:08.26George`Codingrofl
23:08.30PendalarI've lost all respect for both of you =-p
23:09.08Pendalarthat's probably worse
23:09.13Pendalarlook you don't want her =-p
23:09.25Pendalarpick on someone else, like your mom
23:09.33George`Coding~momsex Pendalar
23:09.35ACTION has sex with Pendalar's mom
23:09.48George`Codingibot sucks.
23:09.49If you got $5 I'll do more than that!
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23:10.07George`CodingPendalar: kergoth fucking wrote that factoid!
23:10.17chouimatibot: momsex George`Coding
23:10.19ACTION has sex with George`Coding's mom
23:10.27George`Codingyou sick bastard.
23:10.31George`Coding~momsex chouimat's mum
23:10.33ACTION has sex with chouimat's mum's mom
23:10.47chouimatGeorge`Coding: leave my grand mother alone
23:10.56Pendalarhe wrote it but he doesn't use it over and over and over
23:11.03George`Codingibot chouimat's mum's mum's mum's
23:11.04no idea, George`Coding
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23:11.13George`Codingibot momsex chouimat's mum's mum's mum's mum
23:11.15ACTION has sex with chouimat's mum's mum's mum's mum's mom
23:11.16CopeHmm - ok - put cf card into Zaurus, little card icon appears, but can't find it in the file system, or mount it to /mnt/cf - am I missing something?
23:11.28treke~kill George`Coding
23:11.29ACTION executes killall -9 George`Coding
23:12.13George`Codingibot momsex chouimat's second cousin's father's mother's brother's son's daughter's former room-mate's dog's previous owner's father
23:12.18ACTION has sex with chouimat's second cousin's father's mother's brother's son's daughter's former room-mate's dog's previous owner's father's mom
23:12.46treke~shoot George`Coding
23:12.47ACTION shoots George`Coding in the head.
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23:13.29George`Codingrofl
23:13.48George`CodingI know I'm going to get kicked for making ibot an attraction :)
23:14.18lucijan~hug George`Coding
23:14.19ACTION hugs George`Coding
23:14.20lucijannight
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23:14.39George`Codingrofl
23:22.58chouimat~stuff
23:22.59methinks stuff is in flux.. those new images cworth uploaded had a bunch of problems.
23:23.28chouimat~stuff
23:23.29ACTION is stuffing George*
23:24.09George`Codingibot: get stuffed.
23:24.10ACTION gets stuffed and sods off
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23:32.09MobileZIMhy
23:32.29Aimiohi
23:34.35AimioThe prism_cs module loads when wireless card is in, but no access point is detected :/ (sure access point is working - no wep+pptp)
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23:45.10MobileZIMw8tvi
23:45.29MobileZIMi wish zic  had nick complete with tab
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23:53.16W8TVIsame here zim

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