| 00:00.03 | rev | not a wcf12 is it? |
| 00:00.07 | ljp_laptop | oh thats just crazy |
| 00:00.10 | mrwoody | i have just been in a MacDonald with a wireless connection |
| 00:00.13 | mrwoody | but no luck |
| 00:00.16 | mrwoody | I can use kismet |
| 00:00.19 | rev | mcd's have wireless now? |
| 00:00.21 | mrwoody | and i can even sniff some stuff |
| 00:00.23 | rev | disturbing |
| 00:00.28 | mrwoody | rev: yes at least in nyc |
| 00:00.30 | mrwoody | but anyway |
| 00:00.45 | mrwoody | i even got an ipnumber (as shown in ifconfig) |
| 00:00.52 | mrwoody | but nothing happens when i try to connect anywhere |
| 00:01.03 | mrwoody | is there something that i need to config? |
| 00:01.24 | mrwoody | i believe that the cards work |
| 00:01.32 | mrwoody | otherwise kismet wouldn't work, rite? |
| 00:01.33 | ljp_laptop | default gateway..? |
| 00:01.43 | mrwoody | ljp_laptop: do i need to set that? |
| 00:02.18 | rev | is it a free wap? |
| 00:02.22 | rev | or is it one you have to login for? |
| 00:02.31 | rev | that is a situation wehre you might get an IP, but not be able to do anything good |
| 00:02.31 | mrwoody | rev: you have to login for |
| 00:02.57 | mrwoody | rev: but i thought that what they said is that i should be able to connect to their homepage at least |
| 00:03.02 | mrwoody | rev: isn't that true? |
| 00:04.07 | cyn2 | no |
| 00:04.17 | mrwoody | cyn2: no what? |
| 00:04.24 | cyn2 | if your z pulls out the proxy information properly, which i doubt, then it could 'connect to their homepage' |
| 00:04.49 | rev | yeah |
| 00:04.52 | cyn2 | but in all likelihood they are doing it by mac, and yours isn't reg'd - so they don't let you use any internet |
| 00:04.53 | mrwoody | so what u mean is that i need to get the wep key, or something like that? |
| 00:05.03 | cyn2 | it may just be they don't give you dns tho heh |
| 00:05.09 | cyn2 | no that's not remotely what i said |
| 00:05.14 | rev | haha |
| 00:05.14 | rev | yeah |
| 00:05.19 | rev | "so, i have a big ass" |
| 00:05.21 | cyn2 | the proxy information is what would let you see their homepage |
| 00:05.28 | rev | "so, you're saying that i should teach your grandmother to suck eggs?" |
| 00:05.30 | rev | ;) |
| 00:05.31 | mrwoody | but i am sure that someone here told me that in places like starbucks i should be able to get it without any connection |
| 00:05.41 | rev | without a connection? |
| 00:05.44 | mrwoody | and i also tried starbucks |
| 00:05.44 | cyn2 | heh |
| 00:05.51 | kergoth | rev: carefully |
| 00:05.54 | rev | boggles the mind |
| 00:05.56 | cyn2 | no you don't need the connection to GET a connection! |
| 00:05.59 | rev | kergoth: touché |
| 00:06.04 | cyn2 | you don't need to know anyone on the inside |
| 00:06.16 | cyn2 | "he's my connection" 'oh, well - I don't need one.' |
| 00:06.25 | mrwoody | ? |
| 00:06.28 | mrwoody | so what do i need? |
| 00:06.33 | cyn2 | so, anyway, in summary - just ask the plac what you need |
| 00:06.41 | cyn2 | if your network card works, you can get it to work |
| 00:06.46 | cyn2 | but don't expect to do it without their help |
| 00:07.02 | mrwoody | okie so i got wrong information |
| 00:07.24 | kergoth | or it was right but you misinterpreted it |
| 00:07.35 | cyn2 | it may be when they first set it up that there were no access restrictions |
| 00:07.39 | kergoth | ala your interpretation of filtering by mac having to do with wep |
| 00:07.42 | cyn2 | but mcdonalds != starbucks |
| 00:07.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:07.47 | cyn2 | heh |
| 00:07.54 | mrwoody | kergoth: no i am sure that i asked if i was able to try in starbucks without being subscribed to t-mobile |
| 00:07.56 | mrwoody | or anything like that |
| 00:08.05 | mrwoody | cyn2: i tried both |
| 00:08.09 | kergoth | 802.11 != gprs |
| 00:08.25 | rev | indeed |
| 00:08.34 | rev | ass != sucking eggs |
| 00:08.36 | rev | er, wait |
| 00:09.09 | cyn2 | so you asked if you could try |
| 00:09.25 | cyn2 | kergoth: no there's a "tmobile hotspots" thing that's 802.11b |
| 00:09.34 | cyn2 | partnership with starbucks |
| 00:09.37 | mrwoody | i am very confused |
| 00:09.49 | cyn2 | tmobile is a cellular provider of gsm service |
| 00:09.56 | cyn2 | gprs is the 'data mode' for gsm |
| 00:09.59 | rev | i think they also provide wifi hotspots too |
| 00:10.02 | rev | in some places |
| 00:10.04 | cyn2 | which is what he thought you were confusing tmobile hotspots with |
| 00:10.37 | kergoth | gotcha |
| 00:10.41 | mrwoody | yes for sure starbucks provide wireless with t-mobile and kismet can see that too |
| 00:10.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:10.51 | kergoth | 'wireless' |
| 00:10.58 | kergoth | dont ya love ambiguous statements? |
| 00:11.02 | mrwoody | wi-fi |
| 00:11.05 | rev | so darn tasty |
| 00:11.20 | mrwoody | well it would be fun if starbucks provide cellphones connections |
| 00:11.26 | mrwoody | mostly in nyc, it wouldn't be that useful |
| 00:11.27 | rev | but somewhat pointless |
| 00:11.38 | rev | why have cellular limitations in a hotspot form factor? |
| 00:11.41 | rev | er not form factor |
| 00:11.43 | rev | that sounds too lame |
| 00:11.46 | rev | but you all know what i mean |
| 00:12.07 | rev | now you can get a really small cramped car *and* only drive it aroun the block! |
| 00:12.07 | rev | sign up now! |
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| 00:21.12 | mrwoody | if there is more then ony provider that gives wi-fi, which one would the Z choose? |
| 00:29.44 | rev | good question! |
| 00:30.20 | oGMo | hey anyone know if the symbol wifi card goes through walls ok? within a room or so of range? |
| 00:30.39 | oGMo | not more than like 20ft |
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| 00:34.35 | TheMasterMind1 | yea it should be ok |
| 00:34.53 | kergoth | ibot: tuesday |
| 00:34.54 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday), or a day in which there are no meetings |
| 00:35.28 | kergoth | hmm, /me has tuesday meetings |
| 00:35.31 | TheMasterMind1 | what |
| 00:35.34 | TheMasterMind1 | so do i |
| 00:35.49 | kergoth | ibot: no, Tuesday is <reply>Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday). |
| 00:35.50 | | okay, kergoth |
| 00:35.53 | kergoth | ibot: tuesday |
| 00:35.54 | | Tuesday sucks, because it follows Monday (see monday). |
| 00:36.00 | treke | kergoth: poor bastard |
| 00:36.44 | kergoth | god today blew. first i get like 5 hours of sleep, then .. its tuesday.. then, nothing goes right, i'm not in a coding mood but i need to code, and now i cant seem to get any of my implementations of anything to be correct |
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| 00:38.21 | oGMo | oh shit, it's already tuesday?! |
| 00:38.24 | oGMo | *sob* |
| 00:38.36 | kergoth | dood, remember, it could be monday |
| 00:38.39 | kergoth | it isnt, but it could be |
| 00:38.42 | oGMo | true |
| 00:39.13 | kergoth | i should go home and drink heavily |
| 00:39.39 | kergoth | good bottle of scotch is waiting for me |
| 00:40.46 | kergoth | Sugar: make me a scotch on the rocks |
| 00:42.39 | mrwoody | rev: thanks for telling me it is a good question, but do u know the answer? |
| 00:44.38 | mrwoody | anyway in verizon.com/wifi the instructions are these: |
| 00:44.40 | mrwoody | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.40 | mrwoody | 2. Launch your Web browser, which will automatically direct you to the Verizon Wi-Fi Web site. |
| 00:44.40 | mrwoody | 3. Enter your Verizon Online User Name and Password. |
| 00:45.11 | mrwoody | so in this case i don't need a password before being able to go to their website, but still i can't do that |
| 00:45.31 | mrwoody | but kismet shows me that i have a good signal with verizon wi-fi |
| 00:45.38 | mrwoody | is there anything i need to set? |
| 00:45.51 | mrwoody | how to "Select or input Verizon Wi-Fi as the SSI"? |
| 00:46.48 | kergoth | uh, if you're set to an essid of any, you'll associate with any ap, and theres no need to select it unless there are others nearby that could interfere |
| 00:47.34 | mrwoody | well there are a lot of other signals wherever i go here in nyc |
| 00:47.53 | mrwoody | kergoth: is there any way i can choose only one of these? |
| 00:48.06 | kergoth | what tools you use to 'choose' depend on what wireless api you're using |
| 00:48.10 | kergoth | which depends on what rom you're using |
| 00:48.16 | mrwoody | sharp rom |
| 00:48.29 | kergoth | dunno how w/ wlan-ng |
| 00:48.35 | mrwoody | kergoth: do u think it will be easier with oz? |
| 00:49.13 | kergoth | in my opinion wlan-ng is absolute crap and wireless-tools is far easier to use, but i'm biased. |
| 00:49.32 | mrwoody | wireless-tools is provided in oz, right? |
| 00:50.00 | kergoth | yes, wireless-tools are the userspace tools that use wireless extensions. i.e. iwconfig, iwscan, iwlist, iwspy, etc |
| 00:50.21 | mrwoody | okie tonight i will install oz and tomorrow i will bother you again! ;-) |
| 00:50.36 | mrwoody | anyway i have iwconfig, but doesn't show anything interesting |
| 00:50.57 | kergoth | not surprising, very few wlan-ng drivers implement WE, and if they do, it usually partial |
| 00:51.13 | mrwoody | okie then ... i hope i will be more lucky with oz |
| 00:52.32 | TheMasterMind1 | Sugar what is 131 euro in usd |
| 00:52.34 | Sugar | 131 EUR is 150.22937 US$ |
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| 00:56.06 | Wembly | sugar what is 96 pound in usd |
| 00:56.08 | Sugar | 96 lbs is 81.843826 US$ |
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| 00:57.09 | Wembly | sugar what is 10 inch in usd |
| 00:57.11 | Sugar | Can't get US$ from inch. |
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| 01:04.20 | rev | heh |
| 01:04.32 | rev | i thought sugar would say "priceless" |
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| 01:20.31 | TuxOfSteel | hey guys |
| 01:21.45 | TuxOfSteel | does anyone else have trouble getting java programs to run on the 3.1 rom? |
| 01:22.36 | TuxOfSteel | and with the battery meter showing the power level right? |
| 01:22.51 | kergoth | sharp's battery status sucks |
| 01:23.53 | TuxOfSteel | what can be done about it? |
| 01:24.13 | kergoth | OZ includes battery percentage info to within +-3-6% approximately |
| 01:24.21 | kergoth | and work is being done to improve it further |
| 01:24.28 | TuxOfSteel | use the OZ rom then? |
| 01:24.55 | kergoth | if accuracy of the battery info is important, yeah |
| 01:25.17 | TuxOfSteel | does the OZ rom do everything the sharp rom does? |
| 01:25.30 | kergoth | OZ doesn't include a java vm or opera out of the box |
| 01:25.37 | TheMasterMind1 | or hancom |
| 01:25.42 | kergoth | you can make packages of them with your sharp rom before switching though |
| 01:25.42 | TuxOfSteel | hmmm |
| 01:25.43 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:26.11 | kergoth | beyond that, OZ gives you a number of things sharp doesnt have. sharp gives you one other thing oz doesnt have. thatd be the improved docs tab that was added in 3.1 |
| 01:26.16 | kergoth | s/3.1/sharp 3.1/ |
| 01:26.21 | ljp_laptop | cooties |
| 01:26.28 | TuxOfSteel | how do you do that? |
| 01:26.35 | effy | LOL, Britney admitted she isnt a virgin |
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| 01:26.41 | TuxOfSteel | docs tab? |
| 01:26.42 | fdask | zaurususergroups.com has the ipks already made |
| 01:26.46 | fdask | :) |
| 01:27.04 | kergoth | TuxOfSteel: yes, the tab in the launcher that says "Documents" |
| 01:27.06 | ljp_laptop | I know, isnt that weird? I was just talking about her virginity today too |
| 01:27.38 | effy-kun | hehehe |
| 01:27.50 | effy-kun | going on in public about her virgint |
| 01:27.54 | effy-kun | virginity, wtf? |
| 01:27.56 | effy-kun | hehe |
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| 01:28.32 | ljp_laptop | I am deflated |
| 01:28.39 | TuxOfSteel | I'm using the 3.1 rom and I dont remember a docs tab... is it that uepseless filemanager like tab? |
| 01:28.48 | TuxOfSteel | useless |
| 01:29.00 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:29.07 | kergoth | its more useless in previous roms |
| 01:29.08 | kergoth | believe me |
| 01:29.24 | TuxOfSteel | can you tell that I'm still getting use to the Z keyboard? |
| 01:29.55 | effy-kun | I'm thinking about turning my zaurus into a portable beer fridge |
| 01:30.00 | kergoth | good plan |
| 01:30.04 | effy-kun | any have experience along those lines? |
| 01:30.44 | TuxOfSteel | hmmm... I guess I'll have to go over sams club and get a 256mb cf card for $47 |
| 01:31.05 | effy-kun | damn, it's 10:30am and I'm still in bed |
| 01:31.16 | effy-kun | I should be proud of myself |
| 01:34.24 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: you're still at work? |
| 01:36.38 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:37.28 | TuxOfSteel | anyone else do IRC from their Zaurus? |
| 01:38.07 | kergoth | i use irssi from my c700 very occasionally |
| 01:38.17 | warmi | I guess I could .. but why bother .. it ismuch more comfortable to irc from a full blown computer :-) |
| 01:38.45 | TuxOfSteel | lol |
| 01:39.08 | TuxOfSteel | some else is using the main computer right now |
| 01:39.36 | ljp_laptop | I do sometimes |
| 01:40.36 | TuxOfSteel | and no one I know is going to drag their desktop out into the yard... |
| 01:40.56 | warmi | correct |
| 01:41.02 | warmi | that is why I never IRC from my yard |
| 01:41.09 | TuxOfSteel | hmmm how do you do a sync over the network? |
| 01:41.18 | warmi | hehe |
| 01:41.47 | warmi | TuxOfSteel what kind of Zaurus you got ? |
| 01:42.05 | TuxOfSteel | sl-5500 |
| 01:42.26 | TuxOfSteel | and an 802.11b card |
| 01:42.49 | warmi | yeah, well .. to begin with .. I don;t have 802 card |
| 01:43.07 | warmi | so ircing with an ethernet cable hanging off my Z is not all that interesting |
| 01:43.35 | fdask | Tux, I IRC from my Z occasionally |
| 01:44.05 | TuxOfSteel | do you have a circuit city near by? |
| 01:44.53 | fdask | no, why? |
| 01:45.00 | TuxOfSteel | they are closing out the netgear ma701 for $55 |
| 01:45.17 | warmi | yeah, well, one has to have a router and stuff |
| 01:45.26 | fdask | ive got a linksys wcf12 |
| 01:45.32 | TuxOfSteel | I just pluged it in and it worked |
| 01:45.55 | TuxOfSteel | and I got a linksys AP/router |
| 01:46.53 | TuxOfSteel | I didn't need the router part of it becouse I have a RH9 box doing that for me |
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| 01:49.02 | TuxOfSteel | I wrote a hardware review on the SL-5500 for our linux user group website on my Z today |
| 01:50.18 | TuxOfSteel | I wish I could have had the money to buy a new sl-5600... but it is kinda out of my price range right now |
| 01:51.06 | warmi | you should be craving C7xxx models not 5600 :-) |
| 01:51.14 | TuxOfSteel | lol |
| 01:51.34 | TuxOfSteel | c-730? |
| 01:52.06 | warmi | 750 preferably |
| 01:52.18 | warmi | 5600 is not all that different than your 5500 |
| 01:52.24 | TuxOfSteel | do they have the 64mb of flashrom? |
| 01:52.49 | warmi | 7xx have 640x480 LCDs |
| 01:53.48 | TuxOfSteel | the 5500 has only a 200mhz arm cpu and the 5600 has the 400mhz Xscale cpu |
| 01:53.57 | warmi | doesn't matter |
| 01:54.16 | warmi | that version of XScale isn't any faster than your 200 mhz arm cpu |
| 01:54.26 | Shtoink | Really? |
| 01:54.29 | warmi | yeah |
| 01:54.31 | Shtoink | I was wondering about that |
| 01:54.32 | TuxOfSteel | and the 1.7Ah LiION |
| 01:54.49 | TuxOfSteel | hows that warmi? |
| 01:55.50 | warmi | cause it is buggy |
| 01:55.55 | warmi | some sort of cache bug or something |
| 01:56.06 | warmi | that only applies to PXA 250 XScale |
| 01:56.14 | warmi | new PXA 255 are indeed faster |
| 01:56.24 | Shtoink | So, even all those PPC machines that have the xscale are suffering from this as well... |
| 01:56.37 | warmi | not to mention the fact that PXA 255 uses 200 MHZ bus ( as opposed to 100 mhz for arm/XScale PXA 250) |
| 01:56.42 | warmi | of course |
| 01:57.06 | Shtoink | What's the newer 750/60 have then? |
| 01:57.16 | Shtoink | the PXA 255? |
| 01:57.19 | TuxOfSteel | why wont this thing run the java programs? |
| 01:57.57 | TuxOfSteel | it has the hour glass and then nothing comes up |
| 01:58.11 | warmi | Shtoink yeah |
| 01:58.43 | warmi | http://www.pocketmatrix.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8396&highlight=xscale+slow |
| 01:58.56 | warmi | there is a thread about XScale problems ( this is from Pocket PC site) |
| 01:59.41 | warmi | people have different theories why is that XScale is slow .. |
| 01:59.59 | warmi | but the fact is that it is not faster than arm ( and sometimes slower) |
| 02:00.26 | ljp_laptop | at least xscale has fpu |
| 02:00.32 | TuxOfSteel | any ideas about my java problem? |
| 02:00.56 | ljp_laptop | add cream. it tasts better |
| 02:01.00 | ljp_laptop | tastes |
| 02:01.06 | warmi | TuxOfSteel are you trying to run java app for zaurus or just some java app you pulled from the net ? |
| 02:01.21 | TuxOfSteel | for the Z |
| 02:01.27 | warmi | beats me then |
| 02:01.42 | warmi | are you running Sharp ROM or OZ ? |
| 02:01.53 | TuxOfSteel | sharp 3.1 |
| 02:02.21 | warmi | maybe 3.1 is busted or something .. I don't know - I don't run java apps on my Z anyway ;-) |
| 02:03.19 | TuxOfSteel | there are two programs that I want to use that are only in java, so that I can get away from my Palm PDA |
| 02:03.31 | Shtoink | After loading up OZ 3.2, I don't feel like running the new sharp rom |
| 02:03.33 | TuxOfSteel | well sony sj-20 |
| 02:04.07 | effy-kun | mms://wmt-od.stream.ne.jp/ntv/hkzkt/hkzkt10.wmv |
| 02:04.15 | TuxOfSteel | I didn't buy a CF memory card... so I can't flash it |
| 02:04.39 | TuxOfSteel | mms://? |
| 02:05.10 | warmi | paste it into your IE and it will bring up MS Media Player |
| 02:05.23 | Shtoink | Ummm... |
| 02:05.33 | Shtoink | What if I don't have IE? |
| 02:05.56 | radsaq | use mplayer |
| 02:05.56 | TuxOfSteel | should I get the 256mb CF card or the 128mb card? |
| 02:06.03 | warmi | heh |
| 02:06.04 | Shtoink | IRIX64 IMPACT10K 6.5 04100803 IP28 |
| 02:06.10 | effy-kun | fucking hysterical! |
| 02:06.24 | effy-kun | Japanese make good electronics and comedy |
| 02:06.30 | warmi | TuxOfSteel : uh .. should I get 2 GHZ machine or 4 GHZ ?? depends on your budget :-) |
| 02:06.47 | TuxOfSteel | will the 256 card work on the Z? |
| 02:07.07 | warmi | I think so |
| 02:07.20 | warmi | I never tried but I don't see a reason why it wouldn't |
| 02:07.23 | TuxOfSteel | with the OZ and the 3.1 |
| 02:07.38 | TuxOfSteel | the 256 it $10 more |
| 02:07.47 | Shtoink | my 256MB card has been zero trouble ever |
| 02:07.57 | TuxOfSteel | ok |
| 02:08.04 | Shtoink | I found some bitchin converters, too |
| 02:08.13 | warmi | TuxOfSteel only $10 more ? |
| 02:08.16 | warmi | that's no brainer |
| 02:08.18 | TuxOfSteel | yep |
| 02:08.21 | Shtoink | one that allow you to connect PCMCIA to your CF slot |
| 02:08.35 | TuxOfSteel | but it didn't work then why bother |
| 02:08.36 | warmi | Shtoink : how usefull would that be ? |
| 02:08.52 | Shtoink | Dunno, but it looked crazy stickin out of PDA |
| 02:08.57 | Shtoink | a* |
| 02:08.58 | warmi | hehe |
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| 02:09.24 | TuxOfSteel | I'm thinking about getting a smartmedia to CF adapter for my Z |
| 02:09.37 | warmi | you could connet some PCMCIA devices I guess but then how about drivers and power consumption etc |
| 02:09.45 | TuxOfSteel | my digital cam uses SM cards |
| 02:10.01 | Shtoink | http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/accurite-cf-to-pcmcia-adapter-review.html |
| 02:10.27 | warmi | TuxOfSteel you just got your Z ? |
| 02:10.34 | TuxOfSteel | yep |
| 02:10.40 | TuxOfSteel | yesterday |
| 02:10.53 | Shtoink | http://www.mittoni.com/catalog/default.php/cPath/27 |
| 02:11.04 | TuxOfSteel | got it for $200 on half.com |
| 02:11.21 | Shtoink | There's a 4 in 1 card reader that fits in your CF slot |
| 02:11.29 | Shtoink | That's nuts |
| 02:11.32 | TuxOfSteel | there is? |
| 02:12.29 | TuxOfSteel | all I'd need would be a memstick and Smartmedia card reader |
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| 02:12.45 | Shtoink | http://www.mittoni.com/catalog/default.php/cPath/27?sID=4f4daaff103478b79a2f4dfecfaf3d98 |
| 02:12.49 | Shtoink | On this page |
| 02:12.52 | Shtoink | There is |
| 02:13.07 | Shtoink | Along with a bunch of other cf adapters |
| 02:13.19 | TuxOfSteel | cool |
| 02:13.32 | Shtoink | For 34.00 bucks, too |
| 02:13.44 | TuxOfSteel | I like the CF USB host adapter |
| 02:14.18 | Shtoink | ??? |
| 02:14.22 | Shtoink | There's one on there? |
| 02:14.27 | TuxOfSteel | heh..no |
| 02:15.43 | darmou | I thought there was a product that did that. |
| 02:16.01 | kergoth | not supported on the z though afaik |
| 02:17.45 | ljp_laptop | vercel has a usb host |
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| 02:18.04 | kergoth | wonder what ever happened to those other qtopia pdas |
| 02:18.05 | kergoth | like the kaii |
| 02:18.23 | treke|home | they realized that linux and qtopia sucked and would never sell? |
| 02:18.26 | warmi | kaii is most likely being sold in india |
| 02:19.14 | warmi | PPC rules though |
| 02:19.16 | ljp_laptop | vercel never got enough funding |
| 02:19.24 | warmi | and doesn't look like that will change any time soon |
| 02:19.30 | ljp_laptop | ask Riker about kaii |
| 02:19.40 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: good idea |
| 02:19.42 | TuxOfSteel | http://www.interpocket.co.uk/ |
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| 02:19.55 | darmou | kergoth is there going to be an update on the website about oz? |
| 02:20.01 | kergoth | eventually |
| 02:20.20 | kergoth | so much shit going on right now both professionally and personally |
| 02:20.23 | Shtoink | oooh |
| 02:20.27 | Shtoink | What kind of update? |
| 02:20.38 | kergoth | one that lets people know why 3.2.5 isnt out yet |
| 02:20.40 | kergoth | pretty much |
| 02:20.42 | kergoth | heh |
| 02:20.52 | treke|home | kergoth: just post "This is an update. Stop asking for updates" |
| 02:20.52 | kergoth | and probably an updated schedule, though i suck at schedules |
| 02:20.57 | kergoth | treke|home: not a bad idea |
| 02:21.13 | kergoth | nah, i'll just post it as 'bleh' and leave it at that |
| 02:21.44 | ljp_laptop | or you can say you are tired of threats from opie devs |
| 02:22.04 | TuxOfSteel | the interpocket usb addapter suports the Z |
| 02:22.28 | warmi | TuxOfSteel : yeah . looks like |
| 02:22.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:22.35 | ljp_laptop | heh youd think it woudl been done |
| 02:22.48 | treke|home | yeah, only half of opies developers are german |
| 02:22.59 | TuxOfSteel | lol no wince support yet |
| 02:23.01 | ljp_laptop | hehe ya, the en tr is finished |
| 02:23.22 | treke|home | anyone heard from sandman? |
| 02:23.33 | ljp_laptop | no |
| 02:23.45 | ljp_laptop | hes busy developing navigation systems |
| 02:24.08 | treke|home | you'd think people would have the manners to say "go to hell. you suck and I quit" |
| 02:24.51 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 02:25.10 | ljp_laptop | OS developers never die, they just fade |
| 02:25.32 | ljp_laptop | treke: mosfet |
| 02:25.33 | kergoth | so there's a bunch of ghostly old school unix devs floating around |
| 02:25.37 | kergoth | dont scare me like that |
| 02:25.43 | warmi | hahaha |
| 02:25.43 | treke|home | ljp_laptop: once I find your address, I'll disprove that theory |
| 02:25.59 | ljp_laptop | my address will be changing soon |
| 02:27.58 | Shtoink | How much are those interpocket usb adapters? |
| 02:28.20 | ljp_laptop | oohh Australia tourism add on tv |
| 02:28.23 | Shtoink | About $150 |
| 02:28.29 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: wipe the drool off your chin |
| 02:28.43 | ljp_laptop | heh $999 rt |
| 02:28.57 | ljp_laptop | thats a deal |
| 02:29.03 | ljp_laptop | but from LA |
| 02:29.24 | ljp_laptop | I need a one way anyway |
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| 02:30.30 | TuxOfSteel | GBP 96 |
| 02:31.02 | TuxOfSteel | and they only ship in EU |
| 02:31.42 | Shtoink | I saw that |
| 02:31.46 | Shtoink | That bites |
| 02:35.47 | Shtoink | Damn, those games from eongames are freakin cool |
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| 02:35.57 | kergoth | yep, they are |
| 02:36.33 | ljp_laptop | damn him |
| 02:36.54 | TuxOfSteel | I want gaim for the z! |
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| 02:37.31 | kergoth | TuxOfSteel: its being worked on |
| 02:37.54 | TuxOfSteel | they need to hurry up... |
| 02:37.56 | warmi | doesn't tck stuff cover that ? |
| 02:38.04 | treke|laptop | tck? |
| 02:38.08 | TuxOfSteel | what there is now sucks |
| 02:38.11 | warmi | I thought their chat client was compatible with everything :-) |
| 02:38.20 | warmi | treke : tkc |
| 02:38.24 | treke|laptop | 1) it's closed source 2) It's jabber |
| 02:38.44 | treke|laptop | jabber does a poor imitation of everything |
| 02:38.57 | warmi | well, I guess TuxOfStell is not going to look at the source - he just want's to chat :-) |
| 02:38.58 | kergoth | jabber's core protocol is pretty spiffy |
| 02:39.00 | kergoth | but its gateways blow |
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| 02:42.14 | TuxOfSteel | lol |
| 02:43.51 | warmi | uh .. I didn';t know mosfet was engaged in creating a GIMP like app for KDE |
| 02:44.04 | warmi | looks cool |
| 02:50.34 | TuxOfSteel | i guess that i need OZ to use opie program... |
| 02:51.07 | kergoth | most opie apps will run on the sharp rom, but the ipk format is different |
| 02:51.34 | ljp_laptop | warmi: url? |
| 02:52.04 | treke|laptop | ljp_laptop: its on http://asshole.com |
| 02:52.07 | treke|laptop | er mosfet.org |
| 02:55.00 | warmi | http://www.mosfet.org/mosfetpaint/status/index.html |
| 03:01.06 | _Psycho | warmi you porting that to the Z ? :) |
| 03:01.43 | effy-kun | why does the Zaurus C700 battery die so freaking quickly? It seems to last longer with the thing turned on than when it's turned off! |
| 03:03.33 | warmi | _Psycho : heh |
| 03:03.41 | ljp_laptop | dunno, no suspending correctly? |
| 03:03.45 | warmi | no, but the app looks cool |
| 03:03.51 | _Psycho | warmi would be great on a c7X :) |
| 03:03.55 | _Psycho | indeed it does |
| 03:04.03 | warmi | _Psycho : yeah , on c700 it would actually make sense |
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| 03:15.05 | nmeu | anyone know anything about hooking up some AA batteries to a 5500? such as what is needed for parts and whatnot? |
| 03:15.56 | TuxOfSteel | you can get all the parts ar radio shack |
| 03:16.43 | nmeu | i here something like using a certain LED drops the voltage to just the right amount.. |
| 03:17.03 | TuxOfSteel | you'll need to a 4 AA holder, |
| 03:17.30 | warmi | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3033623247&category=15029 |
| 03:17.48 | warmi | for $9 |
| 03:17.58 | TuxOfSteel | the adap-a-plug thats yellow on the end |
| 03:18.27 | TuxOfSteel | the could help you there with that |
| 03:18.38 | TheMasterMind1 | ooh, nicely made |
| 03:19.19 | _Psycho | 9% sound nice |
| 03:19.22 | _Psycho | anyone tried it ? |
| 03:20.52 | TuxOfSteel | nope |
| 03:21.04 | warmi | this thing has been available on ebay for close to a year |
| 03:21.16 | _Psycho | oh hehe |
| 03:21.19 | _Psycho | it work great ? |
| 03:21.22 | _Psycho | i might buy one for my c700 |
| 03:21.28 | warmi | I don't know .. I never tried it |
| 03:22.09 | VampireZIM | does anyone use Siemens S55 to connect to the net? |
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| 03:23.36 | TuxOfSteel | not me... I use 802.11b |
| 03:23.55 | VampireZIM | hmm |
| 03:24.05 | VampireZIM | anyone connect to any cell phone with BT? |
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| 03:31.30 | nmeu | no but i copied a rom image from my pocket pc to my zaurus through the IR and it took like 2-3 hours... it was cool. |
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| 03:43.40 | VampireZIM | did it work? |
| 03:56.12 | Shtoink | wow, $250 for a 1GB CF card |
| 03:56.26 | Shtoink | They have come way down in price over the last year |
| 03:57.06 | VampireZIM | $189 on EBAY |
| 03:57.14 | VampireZIM | arm |
| 03:57.22 | VampireZIM | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2938358347&category=18868 |
| 03:57.45 | VampireZIM | or less |
| 03:58.39 | VampireZIM | better deal |
| 03:58.39 | VampireZIM | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2937934583&category=18868 |
| 04:03.21 | VampireZIM | i wish SD was that cheap |
| 04:03.34 | VampireZIM | my CF slot is going to have a BT card in it |
| 04:04.15 | Shtoink | I saw a digicam for the sd slot today |
| 04:04.20 | Shtoink | Looked funky |
| 04:04.34 | Shtoink | Dang $585 for 2GB CF card |
| 04:04.38 | TuxOfSteel | vamp: I got a 128mb SD card for $47 at Sam's Club |
| 04:04.44 | VampireZIM | seen it, but promise it wont have support on Zaurus |
| 04:05.08 | Shtoink | That's kinda high for a 128 isn't it? |
| 04:05.11 | VampireZIM | i have 2 128MB SD, i want a 1 GIG SD |
| 04:05.17 | TuxOfSteel | the SD slot on the Z is NOT an SD i/o slot |
| 04:05.35 | TuxOfSteel | not around here |
| 04:05.41 | VampireZIM | not even on C7xx? |
| 04:05.52 | Shtoink | I know, it was for the ipaq |
| 04:08.09 | Shtoink | I'm kinda bent, I spent almost $70 for my 64MB SD |
| 04:08.16 | Shtoink | But that was over a year ago |
| 04:13.26 | VampireZIM | what is ZaurusShot? |
| 04:14.16 | VampireZIM | Stupid Japanese |
| 04:14.17 | VampireZIM | :P |
| 04:14.26 | VampireZIM | why cant they just speak English |
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| 04:16.43 | rev | yar |
| 04:16.45 | rev | quick question |
| 04:16.52 | rev | a) is ftpd on by default on the c760? |
| 04:16.54 | rev | if so, what port? |
| 04:16.56 | rev | and otherwise |
| 04:17.01 | rev | what is the login/pass to use for SMB? |
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| 04:29.36 | fdask | rev, just get your 760? :) |
| 04:36.44 | ChipX86 | g'night kergoth |
| 04:36.48 | kergoth`zzz | night |
| 04:41.18 | rev | fdask: yeah totally |
| 04:41.18 | rev | it owns |
| 04:42.43 | fdask | :D |
| 04:43.10 | fdask | whats the resolution on those |
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| 04:47.14 | rev | 640x480 |
| 04:47.21 | rev | i just loaded a default image for the programming environment i use |
| 04:47.34 | rev | well, not a default image, but a souped up one with a neat bluecurve wannabe icewm skin |
| 04:47.39 | rev | and it looks so nice |
| 04:47.41 | rev | and tiny |
| 04:47.50 | rev | because as of now, unlike QPE, it doesn't make everything huge to compensate |
| 04:47.51 | rev | mmm |
| 04:47.52 | rev | so tasty |
| 04:48.03 | rev | i'm going to do a review of this puppy for newmobilecomputing.com |
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| 04:51.51 | rev | this runs squeak so fast |
| 04:52.52 | treke|home | so, uh, when are you going to release some of this stuff |
| 04:53.27 | rev | well, some is already released |
| 04:53.34 | rev | although it's an old release on the site |
| 04:53.43 | rev | and i've had spurts released to my small group of users |
| 04:53.47 | rev | and othersqueak users |
| 04:54.04 | rev | but i will be taking a lot of this... scattered work of mine together for a late summer release |
| 05:00.40 | rev | is the syntax for a g/w route add: |
| 05:00.51 | rev | route add default gw 192.168.129.2 |
| 05:00.55 | rev | IP being the gw? |
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| 05:02.09 | jacques | hi, is there a FAQ ? |
| 05:02.29 | rev | for what? |
| 05:02.35 | rev | there are many FAQs in the world |
| 05:02.38 | rev | a few about the zaurus |
| 05:02.39 | rev | and many about linux |
| 05:02.42 | rev | and many about many other things |
| 05:03.25 | jacques | I'm trying to help a friend who believes he needs his zaurus root password |
| 05:03.34 | rev | there isn't one |
| 05:03.35 | rev | to my knowledge |
| 05:03.42 | rev | at least for the C760 and SL-5500 i've used |
| 05:03.43 | rev | no root |
| 05:03.44 | rev | i mean |
| 05:03.48 | rev | it's not asked me for one |
| 05:03.53 | rev | su just gives me root |
| 05:04.05 | rev | and for ftp on the 5500 you l: root p: blank |
| 05:04.13 | rev | well blank = '' not 'blank' |
| 05:04.39 | jacques | he's trying to install ssh and he said it wants him to be root when he generates the keys |
| 05:04.55 | jacques | "but when i try to generate the keygen in ssh is says i have to be root" |
| 05:04.56 | rev | what zaurus does he have? |
| 05:05.05 | rev | then tell him to su to root |
| 05:05.10 | rev | and then do it |
| 05:05.22 | jacques | 5500 |
| 05:06.18 | jacques | I'm talking to him on IM :-) |
| 05:07.05 | jacques | he's trying it |
| 05:07.47 | jacques | he also said he installed the latest ROM but is not sure of the version :-\ |
| 05:07.54 | rev | umm |
| 05:08.07 | rev | perhaps he shouldn't be wasting his time with a linux pda if he doesn't know his rom version |
| 05:08.07 | rev | heh |
| 05:08.52 | jacques | be nice |
| 05:09.29 | jacques | he said hitting enter at su pw prompt does not work - says incorrect password |
| 05:09.44 | rev | dunno then |
| 05:09.48 | rev | it worked with me via ftp |
| 05:09.51 | rev | but i never had to su in a shell |
| 05:09.53 | rev | on the 5500 at least |
| 05:10.18 | jacques | nod |
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| 05:24.30 | rev | ugh |
| 05:24.33 | rev | any c7x0 users here? |
| 05:24.48 | rev | on the 5500 it was easy to get it setup with using usbnet for fetching pages, etc |
| 05:25.01 | rev | but for some reason on the C760, netfront wants to "connect" eachtime |
| 05:25.27 | rev | and while i've it properly setup with the cli tools such that i can ping, ftp, telnet etc anywhere inthe world, netfront wants me to connect via wifi or something |
| 05:25.32 | rev | anyone have any hints? |
| 05:25.46 | rev | i imagine this would be with 5600s too, but most people here prolly have a 5000d or 5500 |
| 05:25.53 | rev | Shtoink: it's an incredible machine |
| 05:25.58 | Shtoink | I bet |
| 05:26.07 | Shtoink | I'm jelous |
| 05:26.14 | Shtoink | jealous* |
| 05:26.44 | Shtoink | What's you spend on yours, if you don't mind me asking |
| 05:27.06 | rev | it was purchased through dynamism |
| 05:27.10 | rev | so the full 800 |
| 05:29.16 | Shtoink | Ouch! |
| 05:30.08 | rev | yup |
| 05:30.09 | rev | tell me about itr |
| 05:30.20 | Shtoink | I've been seeing reports of them being sold for as low as 550 to 600 |
| 05:30.20 | rev | research cost |
| 05:30.24 | rev | mmhmm |
| 05:30.33 | rev | if you can get someone to get it for you in japan that's about how much they go for |
| 05:30.52 | rev | about 40% cheaper than the prices you get in the states via dynamism or conics.net |
| 05:31.03 | rev | but i've not seen ahywere that low without having to have a friend or something in japan |
| 05:31.09 | rev | unless |
| 05:31.19 | rev | there have been some group-buy things on the zaurus forums |
| 05:31.24 | rev | but i'm not sure how cheap they got things |
| 05:31.41 | rev | well, conics is $729 |
| 05:31.46 | rev | which is still $70 cheaper than dynamism |
| 05:32.01 | jacques | dynamism extended the GB to the 11th |
| 05:32.26 | rev | ah cool |
| 05:32.29 | jacques | see forum thread in topic of #openzaurus |
| 05:32.33 | rev | do you know what kind of prices they're offering? |
| 05:32.33 | rev | ah |
| 05:32.40 | Shtoink | There were some updated prices on the Z forum |
| 05:33.02 | jacques | dynamism was like $729 for the 760 |
| 05:33.10 | rev | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/board/index.php?s=5be76b086a395e018104222ab77fc215&act=ST&f=27&t=3668 |
| 05:33.18 | rev | down to $633 in an un-englished group buy state |
| 05:33.21 | rev | through some .hk |
| 05:33.47 | rev | er |
| 05:33.48 | rev | $610 |
| 05:33.52 | rev | not bad eh |
| 05:34.06 | rev | dynamism's localization is very well done |
| 05:34.24 | Shtoink | Considering it's just about $150 more than the average 5600 price, i'd go for it |
| 05:34.34 | rev | mmhmm |
| 05:34.42 | rev | for a c700, 50 or 60? |
| 05:34.46 | rev | but a 5600 doesn't really seem worth it |
| 05:34.48 | Shtoink | But what all do they do that's worth the $200 more? |
| 05:34.48 | rev | compared to a 5500 |
| 05:34.55 | Shtoink | 760 |
| 05:35.04 | Shtoink | I know |
| 05:35.08 | rev | but then again, no way i'd buy a 5500 or related again unless it had a much, MUCH better screen |
| 05:35.13 | rev | what do you mean? |
| 05:35.18 | rev | what does which ones do more ? |
| 05:35.24 | Shtoink | I have the 5500 and thought it was neat, but didn't really get much use out of it |
| 05:35.27 | jacques | i would get a 750 with the extended batt |
| 05:35.29 | rev | the dynamism ones, or do you mean like c700->c760? |
| 05:35.32 | Shtoink | After installing OZ I loveit |
| 05:35.46 | rev | i sold my 5500 after having it for 3 weeks |
| 05:35.50 | rev | and went back to the newton + jornada 720 |
| 05:36.07 | rev | but thanks to the speed of this c760, i can safely sell my j720 (and just did) |
| 05:36.12 | rev | and run my own platform with speed to spare |
| 05:36.31 | Shtoink | Your own platform? |
| 05:36.40 | rev | almost twice as fast as it is on the 5500 or any 206 MHz SA-1100/XScale 400 mhz PXA250 WinCE/PPC machine |
| 05:36.48 | rev | yeah, dynapad = http://spe.sf.net |
| 05:36.55 | jacques | is there any difference between 750/760 othre than flash size and bat size (and case color) ? |
| 05:37.03 | rev | nope |
| 05:37.05 | rev | it's funny |
| 05:37.08 | rev | i've a 760 |
| 05:37.13 | rev | and the battery just sticks out a bunch |
| 05:37.27 | rev | and they have this weird big case thing that takes up the whole backside of the unit |
| 05:37.30 | rev | to make up for the size difference |
| 05:37.40 | Shtoink | How much bigger is the flash from the 750 to the 760? |
| 05:37.46 | jacques | double |
| 05:38.00 | rev | 64 MB -> 128 MB |
| 05:38.04 | rev | both have 64 MB of RAM IIRC |
| 05:38.04 | Shtoink | Damn |
| 05:38.16 | oGMo | 128MB ROM? holy crap. |
| 05:38.16 | jacques | i would be using CF anyway |
| 05:38.34 | rev | with 128 MB of flash i won't be needing a cF/sd card for a while :D |
| 05:38.43 | rev | i'm going to keep CF open for wifi anyway |
| 05:38.44 | rev | myself |
| 05:38.46 | jacques | well that is a lot |
| 05:38.57 | rev | and i'm not sure if they fixed the lame ass ness with installing apps to cf/sd |
| 05:39.00 | rev | i certainly hope so |
| 05:39.17 | rev | but i can't help but wonder if maybe they didn't, and it has something to do with the size of these flash ROMs |
| 05:39.34 | Shtoink | So the C7x0 is basically the same hardware as the 5x00? |
| 05:39.43 | oGMo | er no |
| 05:39.48 | oGMo | it's xscale i though |
| 05:39.51 | oGMo | "thought" |
| 05:40.05 | Shtoink | Aside from it being xscale |
| 05:40.16 | Shtoink | I meant everything else |
| 05:40.47 | oGMo | that's like saying one linux box is the same as another, aside from one being intel and the other being ppc ;) |
| 05:41.12 | Shtoink | the arm and the xscale are pretty close aren't they |
| 05:41.14 | oGMo | well, perhaps not quite as extreme as that, but |
| 05:41.16 | jacques | Shtoink: 7xx is different form factor than 5xxx |
| 05:41.30 | oGMo | how much is the 760 dare i inquire? |
| 05:41.36 | Shtoink | I was thinking it was still a similar processor |
| 05:41.49 | jacques | sam architecture |
| 05:42.01 | Shtoink | It'll cost half the number of testies you have |
| 05:42.04 | oGMo | it's like 386 -> 586 or something |
| 05:42.21 | jacques | pxa san run sa apps |
| 05:42.22 | Shtoink | That's what I figured |
| 05:42.24 | jacques | can |
| 05:43.38 | rev | oGMo: the 760 can be had for anywhere between $650 and 800 |
| 05:43.41 | rev | depending on the deal |
| 05:43.49 | rev | XScales are still an ARM architecture |
| 05:43.52 | rev | just a new revision |
| 05:43.55 | rev | kind of a line of new revisions |
| 05:44.01 | rev | a rebranding and rearchitecting of the StrongARM line |
| 05:44.14 | rev | i think there are some new instrucitons between SA-1100 and the XScales |
| 05:45.45 | rev | night all |
| 05:45.49 | rev | time for me to finish up and go to bed |
| 05:45.50 | rev | :) |
| 05:46.20 | Shtoink | oGMo: You made it sound like it was going from M68k to MIPS |
| 05:46.40 | Shtoink | I kinda figured it was still close |
| 05:47.17 | oGMo | true but the difference is different |
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| 06:19.07 | VampireZIM | anyone know how i can get w shell command on C700? |
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| 13:09.46 | heatxsink | hello all |
| 13:09.59 | heatxsink | anyone running open zaurus and syncing with Evolution? |
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| 13:16.22 | ErikN | hi everyone |
| 13:16.30 | ErikN | what is the latest rom version for the zaurus? |
| 13:31.54 | prh | which zaurus? |
| 13:32.01 | ErikN | 5500 |
| 13:32.57 | prh | which rom? |
| 13:33.54 | prh | if yuo mean the sharp roms - then look at ezaurus.com (through babelfish.altavista.com if you are not japanese speaking |
| 13:34.53 | ErikN | I've currently got 2.37 everything on myzaurus.com points to newer versions - yet I'm unable to install them |
| 13:35.34 | prh | hmm. got a 750 - cant help. |
| 13:35.44 | prh | Anyone know how to type a Ctrl-A using the keyboard? |
| 13:36.19 | absentiaS | what does function-a do ? |
| 13:37.00 | prh | well in terminal it should go the beginning of line in a shell, or be the magic control command in screen |
| 13:37.13 | prh | oh, erm sorry see what you mean - nothing |
| 13:37.38 | prh | oooh - fn-shift-A seems to do something |
| 13:37.42 | absentiaS | .screenrc |
| 13:37.42 | absentiaS | escape ^Jj |
| 13:37.47 | absentiaS | use control-j instead |
| 13:37.51 | absentiaS | safer for tcsh/emacs users. |
| 13:38.22 | prh | maybe - but I don't use emacs. should learn emacs some day mind |
| 13:38.37 | absentiaS | if you are in screen, without any changes.... is it control-a a |
| 13:38.48 | absentiaS | to get a control-a |
| 13:39.16 | prh | aye I know that - I just didnt know how to create a ^A on the zaurus keyboard |
| 13:39.31 | absentiaS | ah |
| 13:39.38 | prh | quikscript seems very interesting |
| 13:39.46 | absentiaS | url ? |
| 13:39.52 | prh | google |
| 13:40.04 | absentiaS | I wish killefiz.de had a search by date ... ie: it shows last 25 |
| 13:40.09 | absentiaS | but if you miss a day or there's an active day |
| 13:40.11 | absentiaS | then you can't tell what's new. |
| 13:40.12 | prh | erk I mean qwikscript |
| 13:42.03 | absentiaS | ah hell |
| 13:42.08 | absentiaS | and the example has to be some bible crap |
| 13:42.26 | absentiaS | I want a keyboard that doesn't change the geometry of other things onthe screen |
| 13:42.28 | absentiaS | almost an overlay |
| 13:42.34 | absentiaS | but takes up like 95% of the screen or something |
| 13:42.39 | absentiaS | so the keys are MUCH larger. |
| 13:42.46 | absentiaS | but this might be good enough |
| 13:43.21 | absentiaS | hahah |
| 13:43.28 | absentiaS | the quickwriting java demo crashed my windows |
| 13:43.30 | absentiaS | at work |
| 13:45.06 | heatxsink | do I need to patch my kernel 2.4.20 for usbnet? |
| 13:48.22 | absentiaS | very fast. |
| 13:48.28 | absentiaS | I like it. |
| 13:55.15 | heatxsink | anyone? |
| 14:07.44 | kyngel_ | Hmm... ncurses-term takes a long time to install. |
| 14:08.39 | kyngel_ | s/long/really long/ |
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| 14:21.53 | ErikN | anyone have luck installed ssh on a stock 5500? |
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| 14:31.05 | kyngel | Someday I'm going to find that peer and reset HIS connection. |
| 14:31.42 | kyngel | Anyway, I'm having this problem where whenever I try to run a certain program that uses ncurses, I get a message "Error opening terminal: vt100". |
| 14:31.58 | kyngel | Same thing happens through ssh, except it's xterm instead of vt100. |
| 14:32.25 | prh | heatxsink: what zaurus do you want to connect? |
| 14:33.05 | prh | absentiaS: dasher is very cool - you may want to give it a go. google for "dasher ipkg" |
| 14:33.52 | heatxsink | SL5500 |
| 14:34.09 | prh | should work on then |
| 14:34.17 | heatxsink | without patch? |
| 14:34.32 | prh | yea I think so |
| 14:34.37 | prh | 2.4.21 is better though |
| 14:34.42 | heatxsink | hrmm.. |
| 14:34.55 | heatxsink | hrmm... |
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| 14:53.10 | kyngel | Hmm. |
| 14:53.15 | kyngel | Kergoth, any ideas? |
| 14:53.47 | kergoth | kyngel: is vt100 out in /usr/share/terminfo (iirc) |
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| 14:57.25 | ErikN | anyone try the sdg system's vnc server? |
| 15:00.02 | kergoth | yeah, used it before sdg ever picked up maintainance of it |
| 15:00.03 | kergoth | works well |
| 15:00.23 | ErikN | I can't get the linux client to send 'clicks' to the zaurus? |
| 15:01.07 | kergoth | then you didnt calibrate the server per their instructions |
| 15:01.48 | ErikN | I was never presented an option to calibrate :-) |
| 15:02.11 | kergoth | no, you werent. |
| 15:02.16 | kergoth | go read the instructions again. |
| 15:02.18 | kergoth | follow them this time |
| 15:02.41 | ErikN | :-) ok |
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| 15:03.29 | kyngel | Ah-hah! problem solved. |
| 15:05.11 | kyngel | I set up my toolchain with a very odd location of terminfo, and both ncurses and my monitoring program were looking for completely different terminfo values. |
| 15:10.09 | kyngel | But, 'tis solved, 'tis well. |
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| 15:35.35 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 15:36.03 | warmi | hi |
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| 15:44.21 | darmou | effy do you know which package has libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3? |
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| 15:45.05 | treke_ | darmou: none do |
| 15:46.03 | darmou | xmms is complaining about a missing library how do I get it then? |
| 15:46.50 | treke_ | email the xmmms maintainer and tell him to stop using libstdc++ :) |
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| 15:57.48 | darmou | does anyone know where I can get libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3? |
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| 15:58.56 | warmi | why do you need that ? |
| 15:59.05 | warmi | normally Z apps don't use std |
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| 15:59.10 | darmou | for xmms |
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| 16:02.24 | kyngel_ | Hmm... suddenly, when I try to mount a CF card, my Z stops responding. |
| 16:03.38 | kyngel_ | Maybe medium mount somehow got turned back on. |
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| 16:06.47 | warmi | http://www.thesun.co.uk//article/0,,2-2003310256,00.html |
| 16:06.48 | warmi | heh |
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| 16:08.50 | kyngel_ | Now that was entertaining. |
| 16:08.59 | tux_mike | warmi: wtf |
| 16:10.50 | warmi | don't know ... got that link from http://andrewsullivan.com/ ( blog site) |
| 16:11.21 | darmou | Ok found it, got it from familer dist xmms now working:) |
| 16:12.20 | kyngel_ | So what could make the Z crash on trying to mount a CF card? |
| 16:12.47 | kyngel_ | Never really had any problems with it before. |
| 16:13.29 | radsaq | kyngel_, what fs? |
| 16:13.57 | kyngel_ | ext2. |
| 16:16.54 | kyngel_ | Argh... nevermind, it can't even see anything IN the cf slot anymore. |
| 16:17.00 | kyngel_ | Much bigger problem. |
| 16:17.02 | radsaq | :( |
| 16:18.43 | kyngel_ | Any suggestions? |
| 16:19.02 | kyngel_ | Cardctl says no product info available. |
| 16:19.17 | kyngel_ | And cardmgr can't open the socket, says it's busy. |
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| 16:22.44 | kyngel_ | ...odd. |
| 16:22.59 | kyngel_ | Rebooting didn't help... but rebooting without the power cord plugged in did. |
| 16:23.39 | absentiaS | I usually pull out the battery |
| 16:23.42 | absentiaS | and let it sit |
| 16:23.46 | absentiaS | then put the battery back in |
| 16:23.48 | absentiaS | AND plug it in |
| 16:24.03 | absentiaS | mine once didn't respond for about 20 minutes |
| 16:24.10 | kyngel_ | I'll do that if it crashes again. |
| 16:24.24 | kyngel_ | Mine did 8-10 minutes routinely, before I turned medium checking off. |
| 16:24.47 | kyngel_ | But that 512 meg card STILL seems to crash it when I try to mount. |
| 16:25.37 | kyngel_ | Think I should let it sit 15 minutes or so and try to mount it? |
| 16:25.42 | warmi | kyngel_: as they say .. nothing is perfect , most likely just another bug |
| 16:25.55 | kyngel_ | It's just really odd... it's never given me any problems before. |
| 16:27.02 | kyngel_ | And it would SUCK to lose what's on there right now. |
| 16:30.44 | kyngel_ | *takes out battery, lets it sit* |
| 16:32.05 | kyngel_ | Huh... what's stored in /mnt/cf when the card isn't in? |
| 16:34.30 | kyngel_ | Drat, it even crashes when inserting a vfat-formatted card, too. |
| 16:38.42 | absentiaS | ya, I had problems under sharp with my 512mb |
| 16:38.48 | absentiaS | and perhaps under oz with media checking |
| 16:38.50 | absentiaS | can't remember. |
| 16:38.58 | absentiaS | it locked up so much, I just disabled media scanning all the time |
| 16:39.11 | absentiaS | I haven't ever lost anything |
| 16:39.18 | absentiaS | on the cards.... though. |
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| 16:43.27 | kyngel_ | Well, the card is fine (just checked with a CF reader). It's the stuff on the Z that I'm worried about. |
| 16:43.53 | kyngel_ | If I can't put in a CF card, and I can't fix the problem, I'm going to have to redo all the nifty stuff I've done to it. |
| 16:44.20 | kyngel_ | Yeah, I have media scanning disabled... which is why the lockup is disturbing me. |
| 16:45.29 | kyngel_ | Ah... it mounted the vfat card, it just scanned it despite my setting. |
| 16:45.47 | kyngel_ | So media checking somehow got stealth-turned-on. |
| 16:46.12 | kyngel_ | I'll leave the ext2 card try to mount for another 20 minutes or so, see if it's just trying to scan everything on it. |
| 16:52.45 | absentiaS | after the media scanning disabled.... |
| 16:52.53 | absentiaS | only heavy writes to sd seemed to lock sharp rom. |
| 16:53.19 | kyngel_ | Well, it's CF and not SD... like I said, been using it for weeks with nary a problem. |
| 16:53.26 | absentiaS | yup |
| 16:53.32 | kyngel_ | It's odd that all of a sudden, the CF card gives me trouble. |
| 16:53.44 | absentiaS | my cf only gave me trouble once.. when I just popped it out |
| 16:53.55 | absentiaS | I rebooted and it's been fine. |
| 16:53.58 | absentiaS | good luck with your cf |
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| 16:55.00 | kyngel_ | Thanks. |
| 16:57.28 | kyngel_ | Gah... crashed to openzaurus login: line. |
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| 17:03.54 | kyngel_ | Okay, the card is clean on fsck... so it's not the filesystem. |
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| 17:13.46 | ErikN | does anyone use the win32 sync software? |
| 17:14.39 | VampireZIM | i heard you can install Intellisync English and copy the DLLs from the Japanese Intellisync and it works |
| 17:14.50 | VampireZIM | but i havent found English Intellisync |
| 17:15.05 | VampireZIM | oh, i have a C700, its Japanese |
| 17:15.17 | VampireZIM | what do you have? |
| 17:15.37 | ErikN | VampireZIM: me? |
| 17:15.42 | VampireZIM | yea |
| 17:16.07 | ErikN | I've got intellisync for english... I just got a 5500 but I'm unable to flash the rom with any of the windows software |
| 17:16.13 | VampireZIM | i just woke up, i am not a 100% yet, hehe, misunderstood your question |
| 17:16.34 | ErikN | np :-) |
| 17:16.36 | VampireZIM | hmm, sorry, dont know anything about 5500 |
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| 17:20.12 | rev|lib | anyone know if the C7x0 USBnet driver for windoze is different from that of the 5x00? |
| 17:21.22 | VampireZIM | are you trying to get internet over USB? |
| 17:21.32 | rev|lib | eventually probably |
| 17:21.39 | rev|lib | i just want to tranfer files for now |
| 17:21.43 | rev|lib | although, it's annoyign as hell |
| 17:21.51 | rev|lib | i set up NAT via usbnet on my ibook/os x |
| 17:21.55 | rev|lib | but netfront doesn't care |
| 17:22.01 | VampireZIM | i have been trying, i got it linked to my desktop so i can telnet to my C700, but thats about it |
| 17:22.04 | rev|lib | it wants to "open a connection" in the wizard |
| 17:22.10 | rev|lib | it's like, what is this, windows? |
| 17:22.18 | rev|lib | but i can telnet and ping anywhere in the world |
| 17:22.33 | rev|lib | and using some non-qpe apps, i can get to webpages/email, etc |
| 17:22.45 | VampireZIM | cool |
| 17:22.56 | rev|lib | on the 5500 it was easy |
| 17:23.04 | rev|lib | because the browser didn't try to be overly helpful |
| 17:23.09 | rev|lib | it's like it only wants me to use a LAN or wifi card |
| 17:23.12 | VampireZIM | havent gotten that far, i tried Proxy + and bridhe in XP |
| 17:23.15 | rev|lib | ah |
| 17:23.40 | rev|lib | in OS X it was just a metter of clicking the button labeled "Start" in the "Internet" tab of the Sharing control panel |
| 17:23.41 | rev|lib | ;) |
| 17:23.42 | ErikN | rev|lib: have you been able to update your 5500 from win32? |
| 17:23.43 | rev|lib | and that was it |
| 17:23.48 | rev|lib | ErikN: update? |
| 17:23.53 | VampireZIM | i am probably just going to get a BlueTooth CF and get on the net from my cellphone |
| 17:23.57 | ErikN | rev|lib: rom update |
| 17:23.57 | rev|lib | ErikN: i've no 5500 anymore, but what did you mean? |
| 17:24.03 | rev|lib | ErikN: i did it via CF |
| 17:24.08 | rev|lib | AFAIknew that was the onyl way |
| 17:24.35 | ErikN | rev|lib: CF?! Damn! I need to get one... I've wasted 2 days farting with this |
| 17:24.40 | rev|lib | hah |
| 17:24.40 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 17:24.41 | rev|lib | it's easy |
| 17:24.55 | ErikN | rev|lib: were you able to update from win32? I dont have a PC running linux w/ a CF adaptor |
| 17:25.04 | rev|lib | you just copy the Ospack onto a CF card (that is formatted in FAT like it comes- do not refrmat it!) and hold down a keycombo on a reset |
| 17:25.16 | rev|lib | i copied the file from win32 or OS X, can't recall |
| 17:25.19 | rev|lib | and |
| 17:25.23 | rev|lib | i don't have a CF reader |
| 17:25.37 | ErikN | rev|lib AWESOME!! do you recall which key combo it is/was? |
| 17:25.39 | rev|lib | but i had the usbnet working, just ftp'd to the 5500 and uploaded the Ospack file to the CF card |
| 17:25.42 | rev|lib | nope, but it's online |
| 17:25.49 | rev|lib | in the instructions for how to do it :) |
| 17:25.53 | fdask | c+d |
| 17:26.05 | ErikN | c+d ? you mean on the little keyboard? |
| 17:26.40 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 17:26.42 | rev|lib | IIRC |
| 17:26.42 | rev|lib | er |
| 17:26.49 | rev|lib | i don't remember iv that was the keycombo but yeah |
| 17:26.52 | rev|lib | twas something ike that |
| 17:26.53 | kyngel_ | Yeah, it's c and d. |
| 17:27.00 | yeiazel | does has anyone here already tested video re-rencoding, to fit the Z ? |
| 17:27.00 | ErikN | awesome thx all! :-) |
| 17:27.05 | yeiazel | s/does// |
| 17:27.30 | kyngel_ | I did one file when I got it, Yeiazekel, just to see if I could. |
| 17:27.34 | kyngel_ | But that's a year ago now. :P |
| 17:27.46 | yeiazel | (I've made a "standard" divx grow from 700MB to 800MB while reducing the resolution...) |
| 17:27.53 | rev|lib | heh |
| 17:28.08 | kyngel_ | Well, I just did a tiny file, so I can't help you on that. |
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| 17:28.29 | yeiazel | maybe you've found the graal |
| 17:28.36 | yeiazel | the right codec and the right encoding too |
| 17:28.39 | yeiazel | +l |
| 17:28.39 | yeiazel | :) |
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| 17:30.10 | VampireZIM | what video formats will MediaPlayer on C700 play? |
| 17:32.03 | hardwire | sexy ones. |
| 17:32.04 | ErikN | I should beable to use a 32mb CF right? |
| 17:32.19 | hardwire | sure thing! |
| 17:32.27 | ErikN | anyway to backup my current rom image? |
| 17:32.42 | yeiazel | you don't need to |
| 17:33.08 | yeiazel | it's on the CD-Rom or on sharp website |
| 17:33.22 | ErikN | most apps will work in the latest image? Currently I want to upgrade because all apps I try to install say ipkg errored |
| 17:33.23 | yeiazel | but you need to be able to put it on a CF card :) |
| 17:33.34 | yeiazel | dunno. I'm using OZ |
| 17:33.48 | kergoth | 'something went wrong' |
| 17:33.51 | kergoth | dont ya love sharp? |
| 17:33.51 | ErikN | yeah |
| 17:34.05 | ErikN | I want ssh and terminal on this thing-- neither will install |
| 17:34.16 | kergoth | hardwire: the memory smacks! |
| 17:34.17 | ErikN | and I cant get the embedded vnc to install now either :( |
| 17:34.34 | ErikN | lol |
| 17:34.57 | ErikN | that is crazy... they could just do the old atari thing and throw some bombs up on the screen :-) |
| 17:35.17 | ErikN | k thx guys... I'm gonna go get a CF card |
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| 17:38.30 | ga1vatr0n | hi twiun: just wondering if you knew how to communicate with the IR port on the Z using java |
| 17:41.50 | ga1vatr0n | does anyone know where i can look for documentation or communicating with the ir port using java |
| 17:43.25 | Twiun | ga1vatr0n: I imagine you can communicate with it just like any other serial device |
| 17:43.34 | Twiun | ga1vatr0n: using javax.comm |
| 17:44.21 | ga1vatr0n | to use the Z as a remote control do i need lirc or can i just open the ir port |
| 17:45.22 | ga1vatr0n | if i type cat /dev/ircomm or cat /dev/ttyS1 and then point a remote at it and press a button there doesnt seem to be any input |
| 17:45.49 | Twiun | it may be that those devices need to be set up using some ioctls |
| 17:46.02 | Twiun | which, incidentally, javax.comm should do |
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| 17:46.43 | Twiun | I'd say take a look at the lirc source code to see if it uses ioctls to setup the IR port |
| 17:48.00 | ga1vatr0n | ok cool ill take a look thanx man ;) |
| 17:48.21 | Twiun | np |
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| 17:57.21 | ErikN | much flashing being done :) |
| 17:57.44 | rev|lib | ah |
| 17:57.45 | rev|lib | good |
| 17:58.40 | ErikN | hmm |
| 17:59.01 | ErikN | it is coming up asking to do a fsck on the root fs? |
| 17:59.37 | ErikN | nm :-) killed it again and it is going |
| 18:00.19 | VampireZIM | does OZ have a good video player? |
| 18:00.25 | VampireZIM | for C700 |
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| 18:00.52 | absentiaS | what program is simple but good... for viewing images.. such as gifs? |
| 18:01.01 | absentiaS | I use to use xv, but I don't see that 'round much anymore |
| 18:01.11 | kyngel_ | XV was always my favorite. |
| 18:01.25 | kyngel_ | Especially since some of the newer open-source stuff went PNG-only. |
| 18:01.34 | kyngel_ | With the whole patent fiasco, and all. |
| 18:02.24 | ErikN | awesome!! :-) I'm running 3.10 thx guys! |
| 18:02.44 | ErikN | gimp is good |
| 18:02.47 | ErikN | but not simple |
| 18:03.14 | ErikN | cshow for dos was good... you could get an old version of xv |
| 18:03.19 | zap-zero | gimp is pretty intuitive... |
| 18:03.22 | kyngel_ | Mostly, I just open 'em up in Konq or Mozilla. |
| 18:03.41 | kyngel_ | If I need to edit at all, instead of viewing, I use gimp. |
| 18:03.42 | absentiaS | ya.... gimp as a simple gif viewer is like using windows and word to view a .txt file. |
| 18:04.07 | absentiaS | ya, I guess I'll just install good ol' xv |
| 18:04.13 | ChipX86 | feh is good |
| 18:04.17 | absentiaS | I used gview under freebsd |
| 18:05.06 | warmi | the thing is for some reason xv is not installed by default on recent RH distros |
| 18:05.59 | ErikN | wow v 3.10 is WAY better than 2.27 :-) |
| 18:06.33 | kyngel_ | I never got around to 3.10... got hooked into OZ too fast. :) |
| 18:06.52 | warmi | they say 3.10 is ugly .. |
| 18:07.08 | ErikN | yeah - it doesn't look as nice as opie with the aqua theme ;-) |
| 18:07.44 | ErikN | I'm looking to write some apps to zaurus and most linux-based PDAs... but I need zaurus in a fairly stock format w/ stable code running before I switch to ther things |
| 18:07.59 | TuxOfSteel | now that I got this thing going the way I want... mostly I'm not sure about starting all over again with oz |
| 18:08.57 | warmi | ErikN: I don't think you can write apps that will work on Zaurus and on other Linux based PDAs .. unfortunately it is not like Pocket PC where binary is guaranteed to work on different devices |
| 18:09.14 | VampireZIM | someone port this, http://www.windowsgames.co.uk/slayCE.html |
| 18:09.23 | TuxOfSteel | but seeing that the last program that I want only will run on oz, I guess I need to switch anyway |
| 18:10.01 | TuxOfSteel | does oz have support the netgear ma701? |
| 18:10.17 | TuxOfSteel | its a prism/2 card |
| 18:10.20 | flipdesk | yes |
| 18:10.39 | TuxOfSteel | is it as easy as 3.10? |
| 18:10.53 | TuxOfSteel | just make the network profile? |
| 18:11.12 | flipdesk | should be as easy, if not easier |
| 18:11.50 | TuxOfSteel | ok |
| 18:12.05 | ErikN | warmi: i spoke with troll-tech.. I can use their stuff on both opie and qtopia... most apps should work provided you are static and same proc etc... |
| 18:12.35 | ljp_laptop | ?? |
| 18:12.43 | warmi | yeah, of course you can do that with Opie .. what I meant was that you cannot use the same code base for say Zaurus and Yopy |
| 18:12.58 | ErikN | true :-) |
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| 19:12.15 | Neo|Work | VampireZIM: as I said in a privmsg, that game looks like a game that uses native widgets - that makes it, right away, a lot less fun to port |
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| 19:30.39 | phoen][x | any gps guys around? |
| 19:31.37 | rev|lib | nah, but i wish i had me some gps |
| 19:32.31 | TuxOfSteel | I do geocaching |
| 19:32.48 | phoen][x | i ordered a gps cf card today |
| 19:33.03 | TuxOfSteel | but I dont have any way of connecting the GPS to the Z |
| 19:33.04 | phoen][x | so i wonder if there are any nice gps navi tools around |
| 19:33.07 | TuxOfSteel | cool |
| 19:33.17 | TuxOfSteel | there are some |
| 19:33.19 | phoen][x | would be handy for the car.. |
| 19:33.35 | TuxOfSteel | yeah |
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| 19:34.01 | rev|lib | i'd like to start doing geocaching |
| 19:34.14 | rev|lib | i'm going to write my own GPS app for dynapad |
| 19:34.16 | rev|lib | nothing too crazy |
| 19:34.22 | rev|lib | i have a big fetish for data |
| 19:34.27 | rev|lib | getting all that i can |
| 19:34.30 | rev|lib | and doign something with it |
| 19:34.35 | rev|lib | i want to record everywhere i go |
| 19:34.36 | rev|lib | :) |
| 19:34.47 | TuxOfSteel | lol |
| 19:34.51 | phoen][x | all one need to do is to build the docking station into the car |
| 19:35.32 | phoen][x | hmm i will need some sort of ac adaptor for that |
| 19:35.32 | rev|lib | well |
| 19:35.39 | rev|lib | my bike and pocket |
| 19:35.43 | phoen][x | you aint got no cor? |
| 19:35.44 | rev|lib | (for walking or bussing) |
| 19:35.46 | rev|lib | hell no |
| 19:35.47 | phoen][x | s/cor/car/; |
| 19:35.51 | rev|lib | never had one |
| 19:35.54 | phoen][x | omg |
| 19:36.04 | phoen][x | how do you get the girls? |
| 19:36.06 | rev|lib | you from richie suburbia or something? |
| 19:36.07 | rev|lib | well |
| 19:36.14 | rev|lib | my girl had a car when she was in HS |
| 19:36.21 | rev|lib | and now we walk and bus together |
| 19:36.31 | rev|lib | moer time spent with the girl |
| 19:36.41 | phoen][x | thats the curse when you live in a village |
| 19:36.43 | rev|lib | you still in germany? |
| 19:36.51 | rev|lib | i stayed with a family in germany for a few weeks |
| 19:36.56 | phoen][x | yeah, ya know the blitzkrieg-country |
| 19:36.57 | rev|lib | none of the non-parents had cars |
| 19:37.06 | rev|lib | and they were all 16, 20, an 23 years old |
| 19:37.08 | rev|lib | no cars |
| 19:37.11 | rev|lib | train folks |
| 19:37.12 | rev|lib | hell |
| 19:37.16 | rev|lib | the dad even worked at opel |
| 19:37.30 | rev|lib | ot wasm |
| 19:37.31 | rev|lib | er |
| 19:37.34 | rev|lib | it wasn't a huge place either |
| 19:37.41 | phoen][x | i dont know anyone who's under 18 but does not own a car |
| 19:37.44 | TuxOfSteel | check out http://killefilz.de/zaurus/ |
| 19:37.53 | TuxOfSteel | search for gps |
| 19:37.57 | phoen][x | TuxOfSteel: been there done that |
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| 19:39.40 | phoen][x | actually i was on killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 19:40.06 | phoen][x | but i think that is what you wanted to say in the first place |
| 19:40.55 | phoen][x | oh boy oh boy |
| 19:40.59 | phoen][x | whats that? |
| 19:41.12 | phoen][x | theKompany.rom - did anybody test this by now? |
| 19:41.42 | phoen][x | <monologue mode engaged> |
| 19:42.04 | kyngel_ | Heh... I'm just this fall going to be living without a car for the first time. |
| 19:43.23 | phoen][x | well, i'll go to college this fall but i wont live w/o a car |
| 19:47.03 | kyngel_ | New York City for me, so a car would be too much of a hassle and expense. |
| 19:47.14 | kyngel_ | Parking alone would probably run more than room and board. :) |
| 19:47.29 | phoen][x | hehe |
| 19:47.39 | phoen][x | i stick to them small cities over here |
| 19:53.41 | TuxOfSteel | I hate tourists |
| 19:54.12 | flipdesk | sometimes i think it would be nice to live without a car |
| 19:54.19 | flipdesk | but then i remember how much fun driving is |
| 19:54.35 | TuxOfSteel | lots of stupid people on the road |
| 19:54.51 | flipdesk | depends what you mean by stupid |
| 19:54.59 | flipdesk | butr yeah, there are a lot of em |
| 19:55.03 | TuxOfSteel | driving badly |
| 19:55.06 | phoen][x | the slow guys are annoying |
| 19:55.10 | flipdesk | don't signal, drive too slow, don't know where they're going |
| 19:55.17 | TuxOfSteel | yeah |
| 19:55.19 | flipdesk | badly is subjective |
| 19:55.38 | TuxOfSteel | its going to be that way all summer here |
| 19:55.51 | phoen][x | too slow is 110 in a 100kph zone |
| 19:55.54 | flipdesk | i'll be the first to admit i've done some stupid things, but not when there's other cars around |
| 19:55.58 | phoen][x | :) |
| 19:56.14 | TuxOfSteel | this is where all the old people come for the summer |
| 19:56.29 | flipdesk | damn metric system |
| 19:56.49 | flipdesk | ok, we were doing ~250kph |
| 19:56.51 | TuxOfSteel | old people from FL |
| 19:57.24 | flipdesk | more than that, but around there |
| 19:57.30 | TuxOfSteel | half the cars here in the summer have fl plates |
| 19:57.51 | flipdesk | i live in arizona, i feel your snowbird pain |
| 19:58.09 | flipdesk | the west coasters come here in the winter |
| 19:58.18 | TuxOfSteel | ever driven in detroit in rush hour? |
| 19:58.35 | flipdesk | nah, traffic sucks here, but its not that bad |
| 19:58.54 | phoen][x | traffic jams are the most annoying things |
| 19:58.58 | TuxOfSteel | think 10 time worse |
| 19:59.01 | phoen][x | but hey - nothing is perfect |
| 19:59.19 | flipdesk | probably one of the reasons i haven't moved :-) |
| 19:59.34 | flipdesk | you can get stupid on the roads at night here and no one notices |
| 19:59.35 | TuxOfSteel | at least in detriot rush hour they KNOW where they are going |
| 20:01.33 | mpav_work | anyone have the initrd.bin and zImage file for Sharp's 3.10 ROM? |
| 20:01.52 | TuxOfSteel | you can download it from sharp |
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| 20:02.05 | mpav_work | TuxOfSteel: not in initrd.bin and zImage form |
| 20:02.10 | TuxOfSteel | go to www.myzaurus.com |
| 20:02.14 | kergoth | mpav_work: get romburst' |
| 20:02.25 | kergoth | TuxOfSteel: thats ospack |
| 20:02.42 | mpav_work | romburst? |
| 20:02.53 | kergoth | its on zsi |
| 20:02.59 | kergoth | it rips apart an ospack/romimage into its components |
| 20:03.03 | kergoth | including zimage and initrd.bin |
| 20:03.04 | mpav_work | ah cool.. |
| 20:03.06 | mpav_work | zsi ? |
| 20:03.11 | mpav_work | that is what i need |
| 20:03.12 | kergoth | killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 20:03.15 | kergoth | = zsi |
| 20:03.20 | mpav_work | their build environment is making good initrd.bin's for me |
| 20:04.00 | kergoth | whose build environment? |
| 20:04.01 | mpav_work | ah .. zsi = zaurus software index |
| 20:04.04 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:04.11 | mpav_work | Sharp's |
| 20:04.21 | kergoth | oh you're just altering theirs? |
| 20:04.30 | kergoth | thats what old versions of oz did too |
| 20:04.44 | mpav_work | yeah.. trying to do a memory adjustment on stock ROM |
| 20:05.11 | mpav_work | support concerns w/ OZ at this time |
| 20:06.05 | absentiaS | zsi needs a "display last X" uploads ... option |
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| 20:10.09 | phoen][x | kergoth: did you see thekompany.rom before? |
| 20:10.22 | kergoth | nope |
| 20:10.33 | kergoth | tkc talked to me ages ago about the possibility |
| 20:11.24 | phoen][x | well, i'm downloading it as we speak |
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| 20:12.55 | mpav_work | hrmm.. doesn't look like romburst worked correctly.. zImage is 4k |
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| 20:19.34 | cdm | g'day |
| 20:20.35 | mpav_work | oops.. it was an endianness problem.. romburst don't work on big endian |
| 20:20.45 | mpav_work | linux/sparc no good |
| 20:22.35 | phoen][x | lets install windows ce on the Z |
| 20:23.18 | mpav_work | flame bait |
| 20:26.53 | VampireZIM | hehe |
| 20:27.35 | mpav_work | what are the collie.bin cf.bin bootshp2.bin files that are part of ospack? |
| 20:27.41 | phoen][x | its so superior |
| 20:27.49 | phoen][x | okay i'll stop that |
| 20:27.50 | kergoth | cf updater and bootloader bits |
| 20:27.57 | kergoth | leave em alone |
| 20:28.12 | mpav_work | so do i just copy ZIMGE and ROMDISK to cf card as zImage and initrd.bin and go? |
| 20:28.25 | VampireZIM | i want W on my Zaurus, has anyone ported it? |
| 20:28.35 | kergoth | mpav_work: yep |
| 20:28.44 | mpav_work | 10-4 |
| 20:29.03 | kergoth | mpav_work: thats the only way i recommend flashing sharp, otherwise you're touching things like the bootloader and cf updater, which could brick the unit if something goes wrong |
| 20:29.22 | kergoth | you can flash an ospack directly by putting it on the cf and flashing |
| 20:29.24 | kergoth | but dont. |
| 20:29.25 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:29.29 | mpav_work | ah.. so that is the code that manages the flashing |
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| 20:29.46 | mpav_work | collie and bootshp2, cf.. etc |
| 20:30.11 | kergoth | among other things |
| 20:30.23 | mpav_work | what else do they do ? |
| 20:30.41 | kergoth | you dont know what a bootloader does? i'm not teaching arm boot 101 here |
| 20:30.47 | kergoth | www.arm.linux.org.uk is your friend |
| 20:31.29 | cdm | kergoth: hahaha...maybe. ;) |
| 20:32.50 | phoen][x | a bootloader is something like windows 95 :D |
| 20:33.10 | mpav_work | uh.. i know what a bootloader does |
| 20:33.21 | mpav_work | what does 'among other things' mean? |
| 20:33.33 | mpav_work | i am assuming cf.bin is some sort of cf driver |
| 20:33.45 | mpav_work | what is collie.bin do? |
| 20:34.03 | kergoth | okay, you need to try actually researching something on your own once in a while |
| 20:34.08 | kergoth | we arent your personal reference material; |
| 20:34.17 | phoen][x | lol |
| 20:34.23 | kergoth | the Z mtd driver used in oz outlines the flash partitioning |
| 20:34.31 | kergoth | and there are numerous docs on the web |
| 20:34.35 | kergoth | that describe the ospack/romimage format |
| 20:34.52 | mpav_work | ic |
| 20:35.03 | mpav_work | my googling hasn't turned up much useful information |
| 20:35.21 | mpav_work | most of the hits are ppl asking how to install blah.ipk |
| 20:35.40 | phoen][x | that reminds me of the following bash.org quote: |
| 20:35.42 | phoen][x | <+kritical> christin: you need to learn how to figure out stuff yourself.. |
| 20:35.44 | phoen][x | <+Christin1> how do i do that |
| 20:36.10 | mpav_work | my direct contact with Sharp doesn't provide documentation on these things |
| 20:36.20 | mpav_work | i have researched |
| 20:37.02 | mpav_work | don't give me the newbie bash ritual |
| 20:37.19 | kergoth | google |
| 20:37.21 | kergoth | zaurus romimage format |
| 20:37.23 | kergoth | 5th link |
| 20:37.27 | kergoth | wow, that was pretty tough. |
| 20:37.46 | mpav_work | whatever |
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| 20:38.03 | cdm | kergoth: Turn to page 64 - read it to me. |
| 20:38.48 | kergoth | cdm: what are you, an old game with copy protection? |
| 20:39.19 | rev|lib | HEH |
| 20:39.23 | rev|lib | er |
| 20:39.24 | rev|lib | sorry |
| 20:39.48 | kergoth | "please enter the 4th word in the 3rd paragraph on page 46" |
| 20:39.53 | kergoth | that shit always pissed me off |
| 20:39.56 | rev|lib | yeah |
| 20:39.57 | cdm | kergoth: you are my personal reference manual. |
| 20:40.10 | cdm | kergoth: so turn to that page bitch. |
| 20:40.12 | cdm | :) |
| 20:40.22 | kergoth | but but, i dont have pages! |
| 20:40.33 | cdm | hahaha...how is the heat in 'ole texas? |
| 20:40.44 | rev|lib | there is a thekompany.rom? :P |
| 20:40.45 | rev|lib | hahah |
| 20:40.47 | rev|lib | sucker |
| 20:40.54 | AriT93 | Hi all |
| 20:41.07 | rev|lib | hola AriT93 |
| 20:41.18 | Twiun | kergoth: but you still have a spine though... |
| 20:41.24 | Twiun | kergoth: who ripped out your pages then? |
| 20:41.24 | AriT93 | is there a way to get rom 3.1 to sync with linux... |
| 20:41.34 | AriT93 | been searching all week and won't work |
| 20:41.54 | AriT93 | I can ftp and telnet etc but not through kitchensync and qtopiadesktop |
| 20:41.59 | Twiun | AriT93: did you search www.zaurus.com/dev/board ? |
| 20:42.07 | AriT93 | yes been looking there too |
| 20:42.16 | rev|lib | anyone here used the new PIM db API? |
| 20:42.25 | rev|lib | or know of a site/pdf with an intro to it |
| 20:42.28 | kergoth | cdm: it sucks, but ah well |
| 20:42.29 | Twiun | AriT93: emailed Sharp support? |
| 20:42.38 | cdm | kergoth: Enjoying the work at least? |
| 20:42.39 | AriT93 | yes not response yet |
| 20:42.50 | Twiun | rev|lib: only the docs available on the zaurus.com site |
| 20:43.15 | kergoth | cdm: yeah. the work is good, things are going well. only the weather and traffic is annoying, and one can deal with that. |
| 20:43.18 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:43.26 | rev|lib | Twiun: thanks mang |
| 20:43.41 | AriT93 | the only info I have found is a post on usenet saying linux is SOL for now |
| 20:44.07 | rev|lib | yup |
| 20:44.12 | rev|lib | whati 've heard |
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| 20:46.21 | rev|lib | has anyone here run the new opera creator 6 for opera6 on the new ROM? |
| 20:48.56 | rev|lib | ok |
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| 20:48.58 | rev|lib | you guys ponder thisd |
| 20:49.08 | rev|lib | my roomate has a 5500 |
| 20:49.17 | rev|lib | but he's running on the old ROM and i'd like to try out opera 6 on it |
| 20:49.22 | rev|lib | and he doesn't want to upgrade |
| 20:49.54 | kyngel_ | I wouldn't want to upgrade mine, either, if I had everything just the way I liked it. |
| 20:50.07 | rev|lib | if someoen would be ever so gracious |
| 20:50.08 | rev|lib | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=522 |
| 20:50.46 | rev|lib | ack |
| 20:50.48 | rev|lib | link is bunk |
| 20:57.03 | VampireZIM | anyone run X on C7xx? |
| 20:59.13 | kyngel_ | If you're looking for instructions, I can point you to a document I've seen, but that's about it. |
| 20:59.26 | VampireZIM | ok |
| 20:59.34 | VampireZIM | but i was looking for someone with screen shots |
| 20:59.46 | VampireZIM | 640X480 needs windows |
| 20:59.50 | kyngel_ | http://externe.net/zaurus/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1102 |
| 21:00.04 | kyngel_ | That's for Debian, anyway. |
| 21:00.10 | kyngel_ | I dunno of any pure X packages. |
| 21:00.20 | kergoth | VampireZIM: mallum runs X on his c700 |
| 21:00.33 | kyngel_ | Well, then, it's news to me. :) |
| 21:00.35 | kergoth | VampireZIM: (he's the matchbox window manager maintainer) |
| 21:00.45 | VampireZIM | can you still run the qtopia apps with X? |
| 21:00.52 | kergoth | no, they're independent. |
| 21:00.57 | kyngel_ | No, but Debian runs chrooted on a CF or SD card. |
| 21:01.06 | kyngel_ | So you basically have both systems running at once. |
| 21:01.11 | kergoth | you can run a local Xvnc and a qtopia vnc client |
| 21:01.22 | kergoth | opie can be built against qt/x11 to be run in X, but its a compile time thing |
| 21:01.25 | VampireZIM | hmm. what is TinyX? |
| 21:01.38 | kergoth | its X as used in small systems |
| 21:01.44 | kergoth | google for kdrive |
| 21:03.35 | kyngel_ | It's juuuuust on the edge of being able to pull it off... it's not getting rampant errors, but it's getting enough to be concerning. |
| 21:04.38 | kyngel_ | I shut down Opie and am just letting the datalogger run now, so hopefully it's keeping up a little better now. |
| 21:04.57 | kyngel_ | Otherwise, time to go dig up more CPU cycles somewhere. :) |
| 21:06.43 | VampireZIM | i cant get over how great the C7xx screen looks, i just stare at it all day |
| 21:06.45 | VampireZIM | :) |
| 21:07.46 | kyngel_ | I might try and convince the boss to try us one of those things when/if we buy more Zs. |
| 21:12.07 | treke_ | kyngel_: unfortunatly they have to be imported from japan |
| 21:13.57 | kyngel_ | Yeah, so I've heard. |
| 21:14.16 | kyngel_ | Although it'd probably be counter-intuitive... are they any faster, CPU-wise? |
| 21:14.30 | kergoth | c750 and c760 should be |
| 21:14.50 | kyngel_ | Hmm... what order of performance? Biiig increase, or just increase? |
| 21:15.26 | kergoth | dunno, but i can feel the difference on the c750 i'm playing with as compared to my c700. |
| 21:15.27 | kyngel_ | I'm thinking that since we need to shut down Opie anyway to record data without errors, more screen real estate would only hurt us more. |
| 21:15.39 | kergoth | you can run in either 320x240 or 640x480 |
| 21:15.44 | kergoth | via the Zoom mode |
| 21:16.04 | kyngel_ | Hmm. I'll look into it, at the very least. |
| 21:16.21 | kyngel_ | We'll see what my boss thinks of the new error-log I just got, running the GPS at a high rate. |
| 21:16.25 | cdm | well, doesn't the 750 have a PXA without the cache bugs? |
| 21:16.28 | kergoth | yep |
| 21:16.30 | kergoth | and faster bus |
| 21:17.14 | Neo|Work | I've heard that it's about 2x as fast but I haven't seen any numbers |
| 21:17.50 | Neo|Work | kyngel_: why would you want so much data from a GPS that a zaurus couldn't handle it? |
| 21:18.11 | Neo|Work | I mean, you have to be moving damn fast to need more than a sample a second or so (if even that), wouldn't you? |
| 21:18.31 | kyngel_ | Neo_Work, we're running science missions. |
| 21:18.44 | kyngel_ | We're getting binary data from 7 satellites at 10hz. |
| 21:18.57 | kyngel_ | We want accuracy in centimeters. |
| 21:18.58 | Neo|Work | hmm, ok. unusual needs then. :P |
| 21:19.02 | Neo|Work | damn |
| 21:19.12 | kyngel_ | Yeah. |
| 21:19.24 | kyngel_ | And actually, getting data from 10 sats at 10hz would be ideal. |
| 21:19.56 | kyngel_ | Neo, it's running at 400 megahertz as opposed to 206 in the older models, but the XScale it uses means that it's not twice as fast. |
| 21:20.15 | kergoth | uhh |
| 21:20.18 | cdm | kyngel_: well, the PXA250 means it's not twice as fast. |
| 21:20.19 | kyngel_ | But I can't for the life of me find any *real* benchmarks anywhere. |
| 21:20.19 | kergoth | kyngel_: it doesnt have the xscale cache bug |
| 21:20.28 | Neo|Work | as I said, I've heard it's twice as fast _because_ it is the PXA-255 i.e no cache bug and 200 MHz buss frequency |
| 21:20.30 | kergoth | kyngel_: c750/c760 is pxa255 |
| 21:20.35 | cdm | but later PXA25x's are |
| 21:20.35 | kyngel_ | Oh, really? So that boosts performance significantly more? |
| 21:20.41 | Neo|Work | it IS faster than the 206 MHz ones |
| 21:20.50 | Neo|Work | by, what I understand, significant levels |
| 21:20.54 | kyngel_ | It IS faster, I just didn't think it'd be twice as fast. |
| 21:20.58 | Neo|Work | and hell yeah, being able to use the cache is a good thing |
| 21:21.01 | kyngel_ | But hey, significant levels are good. |
| 21:21.15 | kyngel_ | Caches are good. I'll definitely look into it, if the performance is that much better. |
| 21:21.36 | kyngel_ | I had only heard about the reports on the 5600. |
| 21:21.55 | kyngel_ | But those C760s do look pretty good now. They have the same serial port/SD/CF ports? |
| 21:22.28 | cdm | in theory the PXA should have better then 1:1 increase in performance per-mhz. |
| 21:22.45 | kyngel_ | And those are the ones that are about $800 from an importer? |
| 21:23.01 | kergoth | 760 is a fair bit more than the 750 |
| 21:23.05 | kergoth | cost wise |
| 21:23.26 | kyngel_ | 750 it is, then. I'm competing with a $300 system, that, admittedly, has no display. |
| 21:23.45 | warmi | what happened to Spencer ? Haven't seen him lately |
| 21:23.47 | kyngel_ | And only a 100 mhZ processor. |
| 21:23.49 | warmi | ibot seen spencer |
| 21:23.50 | | i haven't seen 'spencer', warmi |
| 21:24.27 | kyngel_ | The only other ace up my sleeve I have is that I'm still using a cheap CF card... would I be getting better performance using a high-quality CF or an SD card? |
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| 21:25.01 | treke_ | sd would probably be a performance loss |
| 21:25.58 | kyngel_ | I'm just not sure where my bottleneck is right now. I'm *hoping* that without Opie running, the performance hit from SD wouldn't kill me. |
| 21:26.33 | kyngel_ | But with the serial cable on, I can't use the keyboard, and without Opie, I don't have an onscreen keyboard, so I can't run my performance monitor. :) |
| 21:26.51 | kyngel_ | I need to pick up one of those thin cables. |
| 21:27.23 | treke_ | kyngel_: Try Using X or Pico GUI |
| 21:27.29 | kyngel_ | Hmm... would switching to the Sharp ROM from OZ give me any performance boost? |
| 21:27.37 | kergoth | doubtful |
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| 21:29.19 | kyngel_ | Any other hints for pushing it up over the edge? |
| 21:32.24 | kyngel_ | $700 for a C750 at Dynamism. |
| 21:32.49 | kyngel_ | It might almost be worth it. |
| 21:33.35 | kyngel_ | Ooh, wait... does the C750 have a separate SD slot? |
| 21:33.59 | Neo|Work | I don't see how OPIE would make things slower unless you did something in OPIE |
| 21:34.05 | Neo|Work | or Qtopia, or X11 or ... |
| 21:34.15 | kergoth | Neo|Work: only thing i can see would be launcher plugins doing polling |
| 21:34.22 | kergoth | Neo|Work: like the sd/mmc cardmon applet |
| 21:34.24 | kergoth | Neo|Work: and others |
| 21:34.27 | kyngel_ | Just worrying that the X/Opie server might be using some overhead that could be used elsewhere. |
| 21:34.33 | kyngel_ | Stuff like that polling. |
| 21:34.47 | kyngel_ | Like I said, it was right on the edge... wheever I switched tabs on Konsole, I got one/two errors. |
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| 21:35.25 | kyngel_ | Same when I popped up the menu to shut down Opie. |
| 21:35.42 | Neo|Work | sure, that I can see |
| 21:35.49 | Neo|Work | because then you do stuff |
| 21:36.09 | kyngel_ | I'm thinking it would be best to start the logger, shut down Opie, pull out the keyboard and login to console, and start the monitor from there. |
| 21:36.22 | kyngel_ | And then, after all that, plug in the serial cable and start getting data. |
| 21:37.30 | kyngel_ | Or, (as my boss just suggested), use an at script. |
| 21:39.56 | Neo|Work | so... the GPS is serial? |
| 21:42.34 | kyngel_ | Yeah. |
| 21:42.42 | kyngel_ | 115200 baud. |
| 21:45.28 | kyngel_ | And my boss told me what the bottleneck is. |
| 21:46.17 | kyngel_ | It's not that it's using so many CPU cycles, it's that it needs such low latency because the overhead in any given time frame is very high. |
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| 21:46.53 | kyngel_ | So shutting down Opie helped our errors count, because every time it polled hard/there was a screentouch or event, it tried to pull 50 or 100 ms of time, which was too much. |
| 21:46.59 | kyngel_ | So running from the console *should* be fine. |
| 21:47.20 | Neo|Work | btw, the touch screen driver is absolutely horrilble |
| 21:47.28 | Neo|Work | in terms of performance |
| 21:47.38 | kyngel_ | That's why it runs okay on the 100 megahertz system... there's absolutely no events other than the GPS update. |
| 21:48.26 | kyngel_ | Of course, like I said, the other system NEEDS a high-quality flash card, or it absolutely can't keep up. |
| 21:49.09 | kyngel_ | But then, we'd like to run this on a network at the same time... *head spins* |
| 21:54.23 | kyngel_ | Anyway, quittin' time for me. |
| 21:54.27 | kyngel_ | See you all tomorrow. |
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| 22:32.01 | TuxOfSteel | where did they hide the samba.conf file? |
| 22:32.58 | cdm | Perhaps in /etc/samba? |
| 22:33.50 | TuxOfSteel | its not there in the 3.10 rom... no /etc/samba |
| 22:34.11 | TuxOfSteel | thats where it is on my desktop computer |
| 22:36.27 | TuxOfSteel | there is a /home/samba thats linked to other dirs... |
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| 22:57.13 | TuxOfSteel | what command do I use to see the running services on the Z in terminal or otherwise? |
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| 23:04.22 | Pendalar | ps |
| 23:04.27 | Pendalar | try ps aux |
| 23:04.40 | Pendalar | might want to pipe it to something like more |
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| 23:12.20 | oGMo | hmm, thekompany.com rom, eh |
| 23:12.32 | oGMo | er, "thekompany.rom" i guess heh |
| 23:13.02 | ChipX86 | I put it on my 5000D. It's not bad, but then I haven't tried Sharp's latest rom yet, so I can't compare the two |
| 23:13.12 | oGMo | ah |
| 23:13.37 | oGMo | well i'm currently happy with 3.10 |
| 23:13.37 | ChipX86 | OZ has some issues on my 5500 though, so I may be moving to that soon, at least until the next OZ release |
| 23:14.01 | treke_ | what issues? |
| 23:14.25 | ChipX86 | when doing almost anything, the device kind of pauses for a good 10-15 seconds.. that includes adding an address or a scheduled item or TODO |
| 23:14.35 | treke_ | hmmm |
| 23:15.23 | ChipX86 | had htat problem with a default install, and nothing I've tried has worked, including a reinstall |
| 23:18.50 | Pendalar | ChipX86: I haven't had such problems |
| 23:19.17 | ChipX86 | nod. Neither did my 5000D. I'll investigate it further someday.. just no time right now |
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| 23:26.35 | absentiaS | hi |
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| 23:54.12 | ErikN | is the opie addressbook compatible with the zaurus addressbook ? |
| 23:57.38 | treke | it's mostly compatible with the 2.38 rom addressbook |
| 23:57.58 | ErikN | where is it stored? |