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| 01:17.06 | warmi | jonny-5 you got to make up your mind ... |
| 01:19.17 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 01:21.22 | warmi | hi |
| 01:21.34 | warmi | have you see Terminator 3 yet ? |
| 01:21.36 | warmi | seen even |
| 01:21.47 | mewyn | nope |
| 01:22.02 | mewyn | don't think i'm gonna |
| 01:22.57 | warmi | wasn't that bad .. I mean for a movie like that it was pretty decent |
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| 01:31.54 | treke|home | I heard it was pretty good |
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| 01:33.06 | warmi | well, for a movie like terminator that is :-) |
| 01:33.11 | warmi | it wasn't that good :-) |
| 01:33.28 | warmi | anyway, I watched Training Day yesterday on DVD and that one was truly great |
| 01:33.30 | treke|home | right |
| 01:33.44 | treke|home | You have to judge it on the action movie scale |
| 01:34.46 | warmi | well, mewyn would consider that a blashemy but I much prefered T3 than Lord of the Rings |
| 01:34.48 | krezel | I don't like it when people beat up on movies that weren't designed to be cinematic masterpieces |
| 01:36.45 | warmi | hehe |
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| 01:37.54 | krezel | Sometimes you just have to allow yourself to come out of a movie saying "Wow, that was fun" instead of "What a beautiful piece of art"... |
| 01:39.14 | warmi | krezel : did you see the movie ? |
| 01:39.20 | krezel | No I haven't seen it yet |
| 01:39.27 | krezel | Want to, but I haven't |
| 01:40.43 | warmi | I went to see it on Friday and surprisingly there weren't that many people |
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| 01:47.14 | TheMasterMind1 | warmi: which movie |
| 01:47.48 | warmi | Terminator 3 |
| 01:57.12 | TheMasterMind1 | ah |
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| 02:04.37 | M0d | and sometimes you just want to vomit when you see intellectual enema material like charlies angels |
| 02:05.53 | mewyn | yah, but charlie's angels has some redeeming qualities |
| 02:06.07 | M0d | t&a isn't it |
| 02:06.25 | mewyn | it's got more than most bad movies. |
| 02:06.35 | mewyn | (i didn't see it and don't intend to) |
| 02:06.43 | M0d | bad movies can be good |
| 02:06.54 | M0d | the 'illsa' series springs to mind |
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| 02:11.15 | tag | I'm having trouble finding a decent ipk feed |
| 02:12.06 | mewyn | well, spit it out. if someone knows they'll help |
| 02:13.22 | warmi | M0d: uh .. the thing is that charlies weren't exactly meant to be intellectual delight ... |
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| 02:18.13 | blitzrage | will libopie1 install on the sharp 3.1 rom? |
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| 02:19.04 | blitzrage | when installing libopie1 with ipkg install, I get an error from zcat that says "not in gzip format" and "stdin: unexpected end of file" |
| 02:19.20 | treke|home | blitzrage: no. |
| 02:19.26 | treke|home | blitzrage: It's a different format file |
| 02:21.14 | tag | eh |
| 02:21.16 | tag | that was "it" |
| 02:21.35 | treke|home | "it" |
| 02:21.41 | tag | Does anyone know of a decent IPK feed? |
| 02:24.02 | fdask | define 'decent' |
| 02:24.10 | M0d | warmi: it fails as entertainment as well |
| 02:24.19 | M0d | might as well watch some wrasslin |
| 02:24.21 | tag | one that has packages? :) |
| 02:25.46 | fdask | for OZ? |
| 02:29.50 | tag | hurm |
| 02:30.30 | tag | no |
| 02:30.36 | tag | I haven't flashed it |
| 02:30.42 | tag | I dont have compact flash memory :) |
| 02:31.11 | fdask | killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
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| 02:40.10 | Shtoink | hello |
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| 02:45.53 | Shtoink | Anyone around? |
| 02:53.13 | fishy | perhaps |
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| 05:55.31 | Shtoink | Not alot of activity tonight... |
| 05:55.55 | fdask | i got a pack of palm tungsten T stylii today |
| 05:56.02 | fdask | the metal telescoping ones |
| 05:56.10 | fdask | make a suitable zaurus stylus replacement |
| 05:56.23 | Shtoink | Sweet |
| 05:56.39 | Shtoink | I've been eyeballin some extra goodies for mine |
| 05:56.45 | fdask | like? |
| 05:57.18 | Shtoink | Hell, I didn't really find the damn thing useful until I put OZ3.2 on it |
| 05:57.30 | Shtoink | I've been looking at some external batt packs |
| 05:58.05 | Shtoink | I'm also looking for really nice screen protectors |
| 05:58.13 | fdask | hrmm |
| 05:58.14 | Shtoink | Soemt hat don't distort the screen |
| 05:59.04 | fdask | i got a pack of iConcepts Compaq Ipaq series screen protectors |
| 05:59.09 | fdask | almost a perfect fit |
| 06:00.04 | fdask | and as far as battery packs go, might i recommend you check out the ones peakcloudy sells on ebay... i bought one from him and it works great. |
| 06:00.45 | Shtoink | Yeah? |
| 06:01.01 | Shtoink | I grabbed a serial cable fromt that guy |
| 06:01.10 | Shtoink | He never even gave feedback |
| 06:01.37 | Shtoink | Even after sending several emails about it for up to a month after that fact |
| 06:01.57 | fdask | really? |
| 06:02.33 | fdask | i had some questions about my stuff (got the battery pack and an a/c adapter) after i got it... emailed him, and he responded in like 30 mins |
| 06:02.46 | fdask | never dealt with anyone better on ebay |
| 06:02.57 | Shtoink | I got responses back, just never got the positive feedback |
| 06:05.19 | Shtoink | I've alomst been tempted to make a batt pack, but when I see them on ebay for about 5 bucks... |
| 06:05.24 | Shtoink | It's hard to justify |
| 06:05.38 | Shtoink | Probably won't look as nice either |
| 06:08.25 | Shtoink | Wow.... |
| 06:08.42 | Shtoink | Some of the 5600s are going for cheap on ebay right now |
| 06:08.59 | Shtoink | At least while there is still about 12 hours or so left |
| 06:09.33 | Shtoink | I snagged a wifi card for my Z the other day |
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| 06:32.47 | Shtoink | which is better the screen protectors from nushield or G2? |
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| 09:03.07 | kend-zaur | anyone got xmms working on the Z? |
| 09:03.26 | ChipX86|Coding | nope. Segfaulted last I tried |
| 09:03.30 | ChipX86|Coding | but it's been awhile |
| 09:07.24 | kend-zaur | hmm |
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| 13:40.42 | High_Voltz | Where can I find a utility to rip apart a kernel image? |
| 13:41.18 | madeddie | define "rip apart" |
| 13:41.45 | madeddie | a hex editor "rips" it in to blocks of readable hex |
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| 14:07.54 | cyn | heh |
| 14:08.08 | cyn | he wants to rip the source out of it so he can tweak it and recompile! |
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| 14:10.55 | masticator | you guys hear about Sharp Germany? |
| 14:11.21 | Wintre | No |
| 14:13.41 | kyngel | Nope. |
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| 14:33.19 | omoore | is there a way from a script running in background to set focus to an application or to the "home" menu? |
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| 14:34.31 | omoore | trying to work around the inability of the Jeode JVM to change the window state (minimize/maximize), change focus and deliver keyboard events |
| 14:35.34 | Nosf3ratu | I've been poking my nose into Zaurus's (not literally) and I've read some articles that say it sync's with Outlook. What about on the Linux desktop? What do most people use to sync w/ it? Evolution? |
| 14:36.09 | omoore | Nosf3ratu: Qtopia Desktop is available for linux |
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| 14:36.20 | omoore | there is a perl scrip to sync wit Evolution i've heard |
| 14:36.36 | Nosf3ratu | Oh, and the Qtopia desktop is what runs on Zaurus, right? |
| 14:36.45 | Nosf3ratu | So it's analogous to running Palm desktop on Windows? |
| 14:36.53 | omoore | Nosf3ratu: right |
| 14:37.04 | cyn | except the desktop doesn't run on the zaurus |
| 14:37.09 | cyn | it's run on... your desktop :) |
| 14:39.53 | Nosf3ratu | hehe. |
| 14:40.01 | kyngel | Hmm... anyone tried any of those third-party serial cables for the Zaurus? |
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| 15:40.03 | kyngel | Hey, has anyone tried to use any third-party serial cables for the 5500? |
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| 15:44.26 | kurre | have people had any problems with trasnfers with ftp and/or scp from zaurus to outside world ? |
| 15:45.03 | kyngel | Nope. |
| 15:45.06 | kurre | for some reason my zaurus has developed a habit of hanging all transfers in some stage ... |
| 15:45.44 | kyngel | Mine did that for a while. |
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| 15:48.12 | kurre | how did you fix it ? |
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| 15:49.14 | kyngel | Flashed the Zaurus 6 or 7 times working on an unrelated project. :) |
| 15:50.02 | kurre | auts! |
| 15:50.18 | kyngel | Auts? |
| 15:50.49 | kyngel | Hmm... does anyone know the max baudrate of the Zaurus serial cable? |
| 15:50.56 | kergoth | 115200 |
| 15:51.02 | kergoth | and its the max rate of the uart, not the cable. |
| 15:51.25 | kergoth | max rate of a cable depends on the quality of the cable, and the length of the cable |
| 15:51.44 | kergoth | that cable will have no problem with 115200, just making a point |
| 15:51.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:52.03 | kyngel | Okay, but there's no built-in limit on the Zaurus' end? |
| 15:52.08 | kurre | kyngel: that wasn't an answer I wanted to hear ... :( |
| 15:52.26 | kyngel | Sorry, Kurre. Are you running a Sharp ROM or OZ? |
| 15:52.33 | kurre | OZ 3.2 |
| 15:52.44 | kyngel | I have a *really* high-rate GPS that I'm going to try and hook up. |
| 15:53.06 | kurre | I haven't seen this hang before, but now it is repeatable every f*ng time ... |
| 15:53.33 | kyngel | What FTP client are you using? I've had lots of trouble in Win, but never any running under Linux. |
| 15:54.10 | kurre | I guess I should buy a sd/cf-card reader anyway, just in case I mess up my zaurus and have to reinstall |
| 15:54.13 | kyngel | And 115200 should do. |
| 15:54.23 | kyngel | Yeah, I ended up doing that too, Kurre. :) |
| 15:54.50 | kyngel | It came in handy for the 3rd or 4th flash, since I bricked the Zaurus with one of my tweaks and didn't have a card with the flash files on it. |
| 15:54.56 | kurre | kyngel: I tried the ftp-console command from within OZ3.2 as well as scp from linux. The desktop machine is linux w/ proftpd |
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| 15:55.25 | kyngel | Sorry, but I can't help ya, Kurre. No idea how to fix it, it just cleared up on its own for me. |
| 15:55.53 | kurre | fortunately I'm on holiday now, so I do have some time to try to track it down :) |
| 15:56.19 | kyngel | Heh, I love having a job that lets me work on the Z. :) |
| 15:56.45 | cyn | ;p |
| 15:56.57 | cyn | do you use it for sysadmin or do you actually develop on it |
| 15:57.29 | cyn | s/on/for |
| 15:57.37 | kyngel | Little development. What we want to do is replace a Tablet PC running some tcl/tk software we've developed to work with a GPS reciever. |
| 15:58.18 | cyn | ah |
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| 15:58.30 | kyngel | Since it's all going on a two-engine aircraft, we're trying to use the smallest, lightest machine possible. |
| 15:58.38 | kyngel | Plus, the Z gets a longer battery life than the tablet PC. |
| 15:59.12 | kyngel | We've made good progress so far. We put Debian on the Zaurus, so we have X11, and tcl/tk work fine. |
| 15:59.19 | cyn | plus the z is cheaper than a tablet heh |
| 15:59.25 | kyngel | So we can run the nav software, at least. |
| 15:59.35 | cyn | so you have debian on a sd then |
| 15:59.44 | kyngel | Yeah, my boss is thinking of buyign six or seven more Zs to work with if I get this one working. |
| 15:59.48 | kyngel | CF, but yeah. |
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| 15:59.58 | cyn | convince him to get a c760 :P |
| 16:00.17 | cyn | 4x the display at < 4x the price |
| 16:00.38 | kyngel | The display doesn't matter for us, though. We only care about the raw power. |
| 16:00.54 | kyngel | We'd like to exactly double the speed we have the nav software at now, on the 5500. |
| 16:01.51 | kyngel | We'll probably end up rewriting a lot of stuff as C instead of Tcl. |
| 16:02.01 | cyn | well, with the cache fix and greater ram, the c750|c760 should do that too |
| 16:02.04 | Nosf3ratu | What's the difference between the 5500 and the 5600? |
| 16:02.25 | cyn | newer (but buggy) proc in 5600, different memory layout |
| 16:02.27 | kyngel | 5500-64 megs of memory total, 206 mhZ ARM processor. |
| 16:02.43 | kyngel | 5600-96 megs (I think), 400 mhZ XScale CPU, longer battery life. |
| 16:02.48 | cyn | noooo |
| 16:02.53 | kyngel | And the 5600 runs as user zaurus instead of root. |
| 16:02.55 | warmi | 5500 is faster for graphics heavy apps (games, etc ) |
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| 16:03.10 | cyn | 5600 == 16 'rom' 64 ram - 32 defaults as user space instead of ram |
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| 16:03.20 | absentiaS | I'm all confused now |
| 16:03.21 | cyn | 5600 == 32 'rom' 32 'ram' = 32 user 'rom' |
| 16:03.26 | kyngel | Is there OZ support for the 5600 yet? |
| 16:03.33 | cyn | not yet |
| 16:03.43 | kyngel | Then we won't buy one yet. :) |
| 16:03.44 | cyn | if it's between 5500 and 5600 get the 5500 imo |
| 16:03.51 | cyn | the 5600 has a buggy proc |
| 16:03.53 | cyn | you won't benefit |
| 16:04.06 | kyngel | Yeah, we're looking at picking up a bunch of 5500's, now that they're cheaper. |
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| 16:04.31 | cyn | hmm |
| 16:04.36 | cyn | nickserv is yelling at me again |
| 16:04.39 | tunemx | where do you buy them? |
| 16:04.51 | kyngel | Besides, I'd like to see someone else get Debian working on the 5600 first, before we get one. :) |
| 16:05.09 | warmi | what difference does that make ? |
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| 16:05.24 | tunemx | you can use apt-get? :) |
| 16:05.39 | kergoth | apt-get is worthless in a resource constrained environment |
| 16:05.40 | kyngel | X11, Tunemx. |
| 16:05.42 | kergoth | there's a reason we use ipkg |
| 16:05.53 | kergoth | full, well split, X packages are available for OZ |
| 16:06.05 | kergoth | and, ipkg can install debian/ARM .deb files directly |
| 16:06.07 | kyngel | And apt-get was great, for the 5500. Grabbed tcl, tk, everything else with no problem. |
| 16:06.22 | kyngel | I haven't seen those, Kergoth. What feed are they in? |
| 16:06.32 | kergoth | I dont know if they got enabled in the last feed build |
| 16:06.34 | kergoth | ask bipolar |
| 16:06.46 | kyngel | Well, then, they're not much use to me, if I can't get them. :) |
| 16:07.06 | bipolar | I've not been building X or anything that depends on it. |
| 16:07.12 | kergoth | as i said, ipkg can install debian/ARM .debs. all you gain with debian proper is a lot of /usr/share crap you dont need. |
| 16:07.17 | kergoth | which we've already taken the time to strip out |
| 16:07.20 | bipolar | I could, if it's wanted. |
| 16:07.24 | kergoth | bipolar: its wanted. |
| 16:07.32 | bipolar | kergoth: k...... |
| 16:07.32 | kergoth | bipolar: dont enable picogui as it'll fail to build, but X, yes |
| 16:07.39 | bipolar | heh.. alright |
| 16:08.01 | kyngel | So what will we do for a WM with the OZ feed of X? IceWM? |
| 16:08.11 | kergoth | icewm, matchbox, what have you |
| 16:08.19 | cyn2 | I WANT ENLIGHTENMENT FOR MY Z |
| 16:08.23 | kyngel | Heh. :) |
| 16:08.27 | kergoth | matchbox was designed for use in a small display |
| 16:08.34 | kergoth | and is imho the best wm for pda use |
| 16:08.35 | cyn2 | where's my KDE3 |
| 16:08.46 | bipolar | lol... kde3 might be doable. |
| 16:08.53 | kergoth | you sick bastards. |
| 16:08.54 | kyngel | I want KDE3 with menu shadows on my Z. :) |
| 16:09.05 | kergoth | just use opie w/ liquid and be happy |
| 16:09.06 | kergoth | ;) |
| 16:09.14 | cyn2 | not sick, sarcastic |
| 16:09.20 | kergoth | god imagine keramik on the Z |
| 16:09.28 | kergoth | half your screen would be used up by the title bar |
| 16:09.39 | kyngel | Even better, I want to render X with aalib on my Zaurus, and run the VNC full-screen to my linux box. :) |
| 16:09.55 | kergoth | kyngel: picogui has an ncurses display methode |
| 16:09.58 | kergoth | s/e$// |
| 16:09.59 | kergoth | :) |
| 16:10.39 | kyngel | I don't think our pilot would appreciate squinting at his nav display, done graphically in ASCII. :) |
| 16:10.58 | absentiaS | have a URL for matchbox screenshots? |
| 16:11.03 | kergoth | ibot: matchbox |
| 16:11.04 | | extra, extra, read all about it, matchbox is a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed. Development versions and other goodies at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/ |
| 16:11.09 | cyn2 | heh |
| 16:11.14 | cyn2 | http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox/screenshots.html |
| 16:11.16 | absentiaS | isn't liquid unstable ? |
| 16:11.23 | cyn2 | no haha |
| 16:11.28 | kergoth | absentiaS: not really. |
| 16:11.28 | cyn2 | konqueror has a problem with liquid |
| 16:11.33 | kergoth | absentiaS: there are a cuople apps that dont like it though |
| 16:11.34 | kergoth | yeah |
| 16:11.39 | cyn2 | that's the main one anyway |
| 16:11.52 | kergoth | i think opera dislikes it too |
| 16:12.31 | absentiaS | uh huh |
| 16:12.45 | absentiaS | that's like saying you can't use the space bar |
| 16:13.04 | kyngel | What_would_be_the_problem_with_that? |
| 16:13.33 | absentiaS | did you just type that on a c700? |
| 16:13.36 | absentiaS | hunt for the _ |
| 16:13.46 | kyngel | Heh, no, typing from my Linux term now. |
| 16:13.54 | kyngel | I don't have irc installed on my Z right now. |
| 16:13.56 | absentiaS | it's like the | on a next keyboard |
| 16:13.58 | cyn2 | absentiaS: you can set specific apps to not use the theme |
| 16:14.04 | absentiaS | cyn2: neat |
| 16:14.06 | cyn2 | so, it's not a problem at all that some apps don't like it |
| 16:14.14 | cyn2 | except that you don't get the styling on that app |
| 16:14.30 | mpav_ | anyone have experience adjusting the kernel parameter to modify the RAM disk sizes? |
| 16:14.57 | kergoth | mpav_: well, i do it for OZ |
| 16:15.57 | kergoth | or rather, i used to do it for OZ. the buildsystem does it now |
| 16:16.52 | absentiaS | matchbox + kde |
| 16:16.52 | absentiaS | neat |
| 16:18.35 | absentiaS | does anyone here use the vncviewer? I was thinking last night... about the small space on a pda and virtual screens and scrolling. |
| 16:18.57 | absentiaS | thinking it would be neat if the borders of the screen when accessed/tapped would just scroll in that direction. |
| 16:19.32 | absentiaS | but then I thought about how to actually interact with whta's on the screen, s I thought about a toggle for scroll/passthrough... like some key that would could press to make the border scroll regions simply be passthrough, etc. |
| 16:20.02 | absentiaS | so, I was thinking, it would be neat, then, to get back some of the screen space 100% wasted with title bars and status bars, etc.... simply with "gestures" |
| 16:20.33 | absentiaS | so you put your pointer just in from the bottom, then hold it down and slide to the bottom as if you were going off the bottom.. and the status bar comes up (or the screen switches to another virtual screen) etc. |
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| 16:25.57 | mpav_ | kergoth: do you know how to adjust the memory offsets for the mtd device? |
| 16:26.09 | mpav_ | in order to have 48 RAM 16 RAM Disk, etc? |
| 16:27.17 | tunemx | so where is the best SL5500 deal? |
| 16:27.35 | treke | tunemx: ebay |
| 16:27.38 | mpav_ | tunemx: We bought 700+ directly through sharp |
| 16:28.39 | kergoth | mpav_: well obviously |
| 16:28.49 | kergoth | mpav_: openzaurus.org has links to those types of image splits right? |
| 16:29.03 | treke | kergoth: how goes it kergoth? |
| 16:29.08 | kergoth | mpav_: so one should assume that the maintainer of OZ would have some clue as to how that was accomplished |
| 16:29.12 | tunemx | oh ebay is risky |
| 16:29.12 | kergoth | treke: not bad, trying to wake my ass up |
| 16:29.15 | kergoth | treke: you? |
| 16:29.26 | mpav_ | kergoth: yes, but i want to modify the Sharp kernel and use the Sharp ROM |
| 16:29.26 | treke | great |
| 16:29.31 | mpav_ | OZ won't work for us at this time |
| 16:29.33 | kergoth | mpav_: so? |
| 16:29.34 | tunemx | i need a trustworthy company to buy from (cheap) :) |
| 16:29.40 | kergoth | mpav_: I didnt tell you to use OZ |
| 16:29.44 | kergoth | mpav_: i said it was obvious that I knew how |
| 16:29.54 | kergoth | mpav_: and the OZ buildsystem could tell you how, because it does it on its own |
| 16:30.14 | mpav_ | kergoth: i have not been able to find the information in the buildroot tree |
| 16:30.27 | kergoth | mpav_: look again. |
| 16:30.34 | kergoth | mpav_: vi packages/kernel-collie/Makefile |
| 16:30.50 | kergoth | mpav_: it contains everything for the collie kernel build, including the split. you'll note a number of calls out to bc to do the calculations |
| 16:33.31 | mpav_ | thanks.. i should be able to figure it out from here |
| 16:33.38 | kergoth | np |
| 16:34.26 | mpav_ | oh.. so you just add the memory position in MB(hex) to C0000000 |
| 16:34.31 | mpav_ | easy enough |
| 16:34.38 | absentiaS | anyone here have an atari jaguar? |
| 16:35.01 | kergoth | mpav_: 1) set mem= to ensure the kernel doesnt own this memory, 2) set the size and location of mtdram |
| 16:35.37 | mpav_ | ie mem=48M and mtdsize=16mb and C000000+16Mb(hex) |
| 16:35.45 | mpav_ | so the mtdram comes first |
| 16:35.52 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:36.17 | mpav_ | the ram disk uses the first block of memory sliced off |
| 16:36.21 | mpav_ | from the 64 |
| 16:36.55 | kergoth | uh, no |
| 16:37.06 | kergoth | mempos = position based on memory, not storage |
| 16:37.10 | kergoth | addr = calculated based on mempos |
| 16:37.22 | kergoth | you've got it backwards. in 40-24, its C000000 + 40Mb |
| 16:37.27 | kergoth | mtdram is at the end |
| 16:37.30 | mpav_ | ah |
| 16:37.31 | mpav_ | ok |
| 16:39.07 | absentiaS | would anyone have any idea how to script to erase a folder via imap ? |
| 16:39.42 | mpav_ | absentiaS: you would have to use soemthing like perl and Net::IMAP or expect |
| 16:39.47 | mpav_ | and do it over telnet |
| 16:39.50 | absentiaS | ya |
| 16:39.53 | absentiaS | that's what I expect |
| 16:40.11 | absentiaS | but I fear attempting to install Net::IMAP will require 50,000 other modules |
| 16:40.22 | mpav_ | its not that bad |
| 16:40.31 | mpav_ | maybe one or two |
| 16:40.41 | mpav_ | net::imap is a pretty good module |
| 16:43.51 | absentiaS | ok |
| 16:44.02 | absentiaS | I'm gonna set a perl script vs the exchange server |
| 16:44.05 | absentiaS | and see who wins. |
| 16:44.12 | mpav_ | nice |
| 16:44.21 | mpav_ | exchange 5.5's IMAP support sucks |
| 16:44.47 | absentiaS | something is putting a folder "\Infected" under my main toplevel "outlook today" |
| 16:44.50 | absentiaS | and I don't want that folder there |
| 16:45.00 | absentiaS | so, I'll waste some cpu cycles. |
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| 16:57.52 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 16:57.54 | Neo|Work | anyone tried out the Snails or Dragon Bane II demos? |
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| 17:00.59 | XavierXeon | i tried the snail demo. very nice |
| 17:01.36 | Neo|Work | so it worked? Good. :) Which zaurus / rom? |
| 17:02.02 | XavierXeon | sl5500(g), oz 3.2 |
| 17:02.02 | Neo|Work | I fixed one of the issues with the full version yesterday, namely an inexplicable delay when doing multiplayer networking |
| 17:02.05 | Neo|Work | cool |
| 17:02.12 | Neo|Work | I hadn't tried it on Oz for a while |
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| 17:04.49 | Neo|Work | TimRiker: hello |
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| 17:50.56 | kyngel | And for anyone wondering about Debian on the Zaurus, I updated my HOWTO to get rid of some blatantly stupid writer errors. :) |
| 17:51.07 | kergoth | that helps |
| 17:51.08 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:51.38 | kyngel | http://mywebpages.comcast.net/clanwolfer/zaurus-debian-tcl-HOWTO.html |
| 17:52.41 | kyngel | Pretty stupid stuff, mostly; things like 'mke2fs /mnt/cf/' when I meant 'mke2fs /dev/hda'. |
| 17:53.03 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:53.15 | kyngel | And one or two platform issues. :) |
| 17:54.08 | kyngel | Like not untarring as root on Solaris, so it won't overwrite, you know, your entire SYSTEM with ARM files. :) |
| 17:56.12 | kyngel | And, of course, a mention that X packages for OZ are in the works. :) |
| 17:58.01 | kyngel | Since that's your reflexive response to any mention I make of debian. :) |
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| 18:00.38 | kergoth | kyngel: cant help it, I know just how badly suited the debian packaging tools are to embedded environments, and knowing ipkg can install debian/ARM .debs, I dont see what one gains |
| 18:00.41 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:01.08 | mpav_ | package management needs to be reformd |
| 18:01.13 | mpav_ | so does build environments |
| 18:01.37 | kergoth | ipkg is a perfectly useful package management system, just a shitty tool |
| 18:01.40 | mpav_ | there should be a uniform build environment toolset for all languages, and the package mgmt should spawn from that |
| 18:01.49 | kergoth | uh, builds are independent from package management |
| 18:02.02 | kergoth | I can generate .ipk, .tar, .deb, .rpm from a single set of package metadata |
| 18:02.03 | mpav_ | yep-- but they should be the same |
| 18:02.14 | kergoth | thats a highly inflexible and gentoo derived view |
| 18:02.22 | kergoth | Unfortunately I dont see xynot changing that |
| 18:02.26 | kergoth | er zynot |
| 18:02.26 | mpav_ | then you integrate IDE's to use the same system |
| 18:02.29 | kergoth | but ya never know |
| 18:02.39 | mpav_ | no.. this is more theory of the world type stuff |
| 18:02.41 | kergoth | IDE is irrelevent, packaging is dependent on metadata, not build concerns |
| 18:02.57 | mpav_ | there is a lot of duplicate data b/w the two |
| 18:03.14 | kergoth | which is why a high level metadata form could generate the lower levels formats |
| 18:03.16 | kergoth | case in point |
| 18:03.26 | kergoth | the openembedded build infrastructure could easily generate a .pro for makefile production |
| 18:03.43 | kergoth | OE is highly derived from portage, but without its inflexibility |
| 18:03.54 | mpav_ | say you have some defined XML structure that defines 'software source code' |
| 18:04.07 | mpav_ | from that you generate IDE project files, build files and packaging |
| 18:04.11 | kergoth | like i said |
| 18:04.14 | kergoth | OE gives you exactly that |
| 18:04.18 | mpav_ | realyl? |
| 18:04.22 | mpav_ | interesting |
| 18:04.28 | kergoth | yep |
| 18:04.34 | mpav_ | a key point is to be language independant |
| 18:04.36 | kergoth | consider it a metadata format, and tools for manipulating the metadata |
| 18:05.27 | kergoth | its a build infrastructure which is both distribution and operating system agnostic |
| 18:05.56 | kergoth | it consists of both tools for building things within upstream sources, to ease upstream source maintainance, as well as tools for managing things from a higher level, and doing global distribution builds, managing interpackage dependency |
| 18:06.24 | kergoth | the former is what you were referring to, a single metadata source for a build |
| 18:06.45 | mpav_ | nice |
| 18:06.51 | mpav_ | i'll check it out |
| 18:06.56 | kergoth | mpav_: the current tools and core are in python, but I consider that a prototype. I would like the system to become more language agnostic wrt th etools |
| 18:07.07 | mpav_ | NeoTron: what is the difference b/w the 5500 and the 5500G? |
| 18:07.15 | mpav_ | i mean "OT" |
| 18:07.18 | mpav_ | as in off topice |
| 18:07.23 | mpav_ | stupid nick autocomplete |
| 18:08.19 | kergoth | mpav_: #openembedded if you're interested. this infrastructure was designed to replace the OZ buildroot |
| 18:08.24 | kergoth | G is the german unit |
| 18:08.41 | kergoth | has a few extra modifiers, and a qwertz layout, afaik |
| 18:09.13 | mpav_ | ah.. and the UP? |
| 18:09.40 | kergoth | UP? |
| 18:09.47 | mpav_ | sl5500up |
| 18:10.09 | kergoth | havent heard of such a unit |
| 18:10.14 | mpav_ | there is a def-config file called sl5500up |
| 18:10.20 | mpav_ | in the sharp kernel ssrc |
| 18:10.33 | kergoth | do a diff, whats the difference? |
| 18:11.42 | kyngel | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.23 | mpav_ | lots of differences.. let me find something useful |
| 18:12.47 | mpav_ | er .. not a lot of differnece |
| 18:12.53 | mpav_ | sets COLLIE_UP |
| 18:13.04 | mpav_ | netlink_dev and netfilter. |
| 18:13.28 | mpav_ | then it sets mem to 34M and has the appropriate RAM disk offsets |
| 18:34.23 | mpav_ | damn.. it helps to know the correct way to do the mtd offsets to get it to work ;) |
| 18:36.43 | mpav_ | hrm.. must of jacked something up |
| 18:37.10 | mpav_ | booting.. but wrong memory setup |
| 18:39.05 | tunemx | could somebody please explain 'matchbox' to me? |
| 18:39.19 | tunemx | is that just a graphical layer? |
| 18:39.26 | tunemx | how to install it to the Z |
| 18:45.59 | mpav_ | kergoth: when you say 40-24 do you mean 40 RAM 24 RAMDIsk ? |
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| 18:49.34 | treke | does opera handle Java applets? |
| 18:54.04 | kergoth | mpav_: yes |
| 18:54.30 | mpav_ | kergoth: hrm |
| 18:54.51 | kergoth | tunemx: matchbox is a X window manager |
| 18:55.01 | kergoth | tunemx: most people use opie or qtopia on their Z, not X |
| 18:55.12 | tunemx | ah so i need to install X first |
| 18:55.18 | tunemx | if I want eye-candy |
| 19:00.59 | mpav_ | opie and qtopia get you eye candy |
| 19:01.04 | mpav_ | X seems like a lot of overhead |
| 19:01.21 | treke | X isnt that much overhead |
| 19:03.10 | tunemx | yeah i would be happy if i could figure out how to install different fonts to opie |
| 19:03.35 | tunemx | i don t dare to do it, since there is no turning back |
| 19:04.15 | kergoth | there's no turning back? |
| 19:05.08 | treke | kergoth: you see the SD commit from jamey? |
| 19:05.58 | tunemx | kergoth: if i install crystal icons, then i cannot go back to the default icons |
| 19:07.02 | kergoth | treke: eh, that seems pretty iffy |
| 19:08.22 | treke | legally or code wise? |
| 19:08.34 | kergoth | legally |
| 19:08.36 | kergoth | havent read the code yet |
| 19:09.02 | mpav_ | hrm |
| 19:09.17 | treke | before commiting it :) |
| 19:09.25 | mpav_ | memory offset isn't working with the Sharp ROM |
| 19:10.00 | mpav_ | has anyone tried doing this with the Sharp ROM? |
| 19:10.05 | kergoth | mpav_: "isn't working" is one of the least helpful problem descriptions in existance |
| 19:10.08 | kergoth | mpav_: of course I have |
| 19:10.20 | kergoth | mpav_: old OZ's *WERE* the sharp rom, just altered. same as crow & friends are now |
| 19:10.29 | kergoth | mpav_: it was only later that we started building everything from scratch |
| 19:10.33 | mpav_ | i have mem=48M |
| 19:10.42 | mpav_ | MTDSIZE=48*1024 |
| 19:10.58 | kergoth | 14:10 <@kergoth> mpav_: "isn't working" is one of the least helpful problem |
| 19:10.58 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.07 | mpav_ | offset = C3000000 (C000000 + 48M) |
| 19:11.12 | kergoth | if you want help, exact descriptions of behavior is necessary |
| 19:11.21 | mpav_ | it gets to INIT: version 2.78 booting.. then hangs |
| 19:11.21 | kergoth | preferably with exact error messages if they exist |
| 19:11.31 | mpav_ | trying w/ sharp rom 3.10 initrd.bin |
| 19:11.45 | kergoth | mpav_: disable the sharp logo, enable console on vt, and set console=tty0 |
| 19:11.50 | kergoth | mpav_: then you'll see the kernel messages |
| 19:11.58 | mpav_ | how do you do that? |
| 19:12.02 | kergoth | in the defconfig |
| 19:12.06 | kergoth | this isnt rocket science |
| 19:12.12 | kergoth | sharp logoscreen is a config item |
| 19:12.15 | kergoth | as is console on vt |
| 19:12.21 | mpav_ | ic.. |
| 19:12.21 | kergoth | console=tty0 goes into CMDLINE |
| 19:12.26 | treke | yeah. If it was rocket science there would be more math |
| 19:12.50 | kergoth | and a whiteboard would be a better medium than irc |
| 19:12.50 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:13.06 | treke | and at the end of the day we could make things go boom |
| 19:13.28 | kergoth | mmm explosions |
| 19:13.31 | mpav_ | updating config and building kernel.. |
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| 19:31.00 | pedro | hi. |
| 19:31.51 | mpav_ | RAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM disk image starting at 0 |
| 19:32.10 | mpav_ | is there an adjustment to where it finds the image? |
| 19:32.14 | pedro | i need some info about woody in zaurus. |
| 19:32.31 | pedro | can play woody in SD card? |
| 19:32.37 | flipppy | http://people.debian.org/~mdz/zaurus/ |
| 19:32.45 | flipppy | assuming you mean debian |
| 19:32.54 | pedro | o.k. i know that info. |
| 19:33.17 | flipppy | ok, and your question is answer on that page |
| 19:33.47 | pedro | flippy: i need to know if i can play intrd at console in zaurus |
| 19:34.33 | flipppy | i'm guessing you mean run instead of play, and i see no reason why you wouldn't be able to |
| 19:35.02 | flipppy | time for work |
| 19:35.07 | pedro | sure, you're reason. well, run. |
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| 19:46.20 | pedro | other link about woody in zaurus: http://www.w-m-p.com/pocketworkstation/ |
| 19:56.42 | mpav_ | shit.. i think i fucked up this Z |
| 19:58.05 | mpav_ | it is doing the 'wait .. [5-1]' over and over.. |
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| 20:33.29 | omoore | if i have no reason to inser an SD card into anything other than my zaurus... |
| 20:33.49 | omoore | would it read/write faster wiht ext2 filesystem? |
| 20:34.19 | ljp_laptop | it would handle symlinks |
| 20:34.26 | omoore | are there any "downsides" to formatting an sd card as ext2.. other than it won't be readable from non-unix readers? |
| 20:34.42 | omoore | that's the main reason i want to format it as ext2 |
| 20:34.55 | omoore | i want to store mysql db on the sd card for an application |
| 20:35.06 | omoore | (the data files that is) |
| 20:35.11 | ljp_laptop | no. you may also want to change the partition type also |
| 20:35.24 | omoore | yeha.. i would fdisk it |
| 20:35.25 | ljp_laptop | my sd is ext2 |
| 20:36.05 | omoore | cool.. ok.. thx |
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| 21:10.26 | Aimio | :/ can't samba in, trolltech-ftpd won't ipkg install, aggh :p |
| 21:11.24 | ljp_laptop | you could manually install that |
| 21:11.51 | Aimio | have tried. gonna try transferring via ftp now instead of wget / http |
| 21:13.58 | tunemx | i used to ssh into the Z and ftp back to my machine :) |
| 21:14.09 | tunemx | from midnight commander |
| 21:15.59 | Aimio | "connection refused" |
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| 21:41.34 | darienm | Hello peeps. |
| 21:41.57 | darienm | I just found out there is a new Sharp ROM (yeah, I'm probably late with this). Is it anything newsworthy if I already run OZ 3.2 ? |
| 21:42.20 | darienm | and kergoth, congrats on the new job. |
| 21:42.48 | kergoth | the new sharp rom has a less sucky docs tab |
| 21:43.58 | darienm | Less sucky than previous, or less sucky than OZ ? |
| 21:44.21 | darienm | Are there screens? |
| 21:44.45 | kergoth | both |
| 21:44.49 | kergoth | dunno about shots |
| 21:45.06 | darienm | Supposed to be more like the 5600 ? |
| 21:45.07 | kergoth | has the same docs tab useds in the c700 stock rom and in the a300 rom |
| 21:45.10 | kergoth | so dug up some more shots |
| 21:45.11 | kergoth | of those |
| 21:45.12 | kergoth | yeah |
| 21:45.14 | kergoth | same deal |
| 21:45.16 | darienm | OK. Seen it. |
| 21:45.45 | darienm | I'm back in the Z-thing, my GF traded in her Palm over the weekend and is using a Z now. |
| 21:45.58 | kergoth | cool |
| 21:46.12 | darienm | So I flashed the 5000 that's been sitting here in the box for a year, tossed on 3 apps, and its ready-to-go. |
| 21:47.24 | darienm | Is it me, or have there been a TON of new apps developed in the last 4 months? |
| 21:47.38 | kergoth | heh, things are slowing down in the Z world |
| 21:47.54 | kergoth | some cool things have popped up, like the task list applet but for the most part things are stagnating |
| 21:47.59 | darienm | Hrm. Must be me then. Hadn't visited ZSI in a long while, and the lists seemed much longer. |
| 21:49.05 | darienm | Anyway, the whole reason I got one (May 2002) was for wireless internet. That experiment failed, so I'm going to have a Verizon/Sierra Wireless PC card on my laptop in a day or two. |
| 21:49.30 | darienm | With a PC -> CF adapter, it should work on the Z. |
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| 22:10.45 | masticator_ | man total bummer for german zaurus users |
| 22:11.13 | warmi | don't worry .. US won't be far behind |
| 22:11.18 | warmi | :-) |
| 22:13.36 | treke | hehe |
| 22:13.49 | treke | "Just an FYI the Newton is not dead" |
| 22:14.07 | treke | I'll have some of what he is smoking |
| 22:14.53 | warmi | anyone has any idea how many 5600s were sold to date ? |
| 22:15.04 | Neo|Work | warmi: hey, long time no see or something. :P |
| 22:15.21 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 22:15.27 | warmi | Neo|Work: yeah .. been busy again with project launch and stuff |
| 22:15.54 | Neo|Work | as in work stuff or zaurus/ppc stuff? :P |
| 22:16.05 | warmi | I hate when work intrudes on my other importand stuff :-) |
| 22:16.06 | Neo|Work | I just posted first versions of Dragon Bane II and Snails during the weekend |
| 22:16.12 | Neo|Work | ah, indeed |
| 22:16.17 | warmi | hi mewyn |
| 22:16.35 | warmi | ah .. first I have to find my zaurus ... :-) |
| 22:16.39 | warmi | I know it is somewhere there |
| 22:17.58 | mewyn | doh |
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| 22:24.35 | masticator_ | warmi: not many |
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| 22:33.43 | warmi | masticator: is it official - no more Zs on German market ? |
| 22:46.14 | Neo|Work | where is that news? |
| 22:46.51 | yeiazel | i's official |
| 22:47.34 | Neo|Work | source (url)? |
| 22:48.05 | yeiazel | Groucho emailed it to me... |
| 22:48.21 | yeiazel | there is perhaps an official announce on sharp.de... |
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| 22:49.12 | mrwoody | what does it mean when i find a server "linksys" with kismet? |
| 23:01.25 | zar | why no more german z's? |
| 23:02.58 | yeiazel | no more european z |
| 23:03.08 | yeiazel | no more z in europe |
| 23:03.22 | zar | that sucks |
| 23:03.30 | yeiazel | yes |
| 23:04.59 | yeiazel | opieplayer really sucks... |
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| 23:22.56 | VampireZIM | hello |
| 23:23.11 | VampireZIM | does OpenZaurus 3.2 work on C700? |
| 23:23.53 | treke | no |
| 23:23.58 | VampireZIM | shit |
| 23:24.14 | treke | The next release will |
| 23:24.15 | VampireZIM | i have a Dynamism release and i fucked it up trying to install X11Zaurus |
| 23:24.29 | VampireZIM | how do i hard reset to get back to default rom? |
| 23:24.30 | treke | VampireZIM:just reflash the sharp rom |
| 23:24.45 | VampireZIM | dont know how to do that |
| 23:24.52 | VampireZIM | i just got this machine a couple hours ago |
| 23:25.07 | VampireZIM | everything on the CD is japanese |
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| 23:42.00 | VampireZIM | anyone know how to reflash a C700? |
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