| 00:03.40 | NetAmp | there's no newer version than 1.6 of Qtopia Desktop, is there? |
| 00:06.03 | Quantumspin | anyone: do you know what bus speed the SL-5600 uses. (and is it the new PXA255?) |
| 00:07.11 | NetAmp | g'nite |
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| 00:17.15 | Quantumspin | anyone alive here?? |
| 00:18.55 | Quantumspin | wow! i see about 73 dead nicks here! |
| 00:19.02 | Quantumspin | ?? |
| 00:19.14 | Quantumspin | fine then! ignore me and my questions |
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| 00:36.25 | George- | bleh |
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| 01:07.34 | nmeu | i'm not dead |
| 01:08.05 | nmeu | been flashing and reflashing all day... i shouldn't do this stuff when it's so hot.. |
| 01:08.38 | nmeu | the sl-5600 cpu runs at 400MHz i think |
| 01:09.18 | Xumbi | yep |
| 01:10.30 | nmeu | anyone know what's up with this feed http://opie.net.wox.org/openzaurus/3.2.5rc1/ ?? |
| 01:10.37 | George`Zzz | only problem with the SL5600 is that it's a PXA-250 and it sucks |
| 01:11.15 | nmeu | yeah.. i have a hp1910 and it blows.. it's small though |
| 01:12.14 | Xumbi | my sl-5500 runs at 200MHz and it's plenty fast |
| 01:12.40 | George`Zzz | Xumbi: the SA1110 used in the SL5500 is faster than the PXA-250 @ 400Mhz in many situations |
| 01:13.25 | nmeu | yup.. i've got a 5500 as well.. i love it |
| 01:13.50 | Xumbi | do you run OZ? |
| 01:14.10 | nmeu | yeah.. i've got 3.2 with opie 0.9.9 |
| 01:14.40 | Xumbi | me too! |
| 01:14.51 | Xumbi | using it right now in fact |
| 01:15.09 | nmeu | i could only get that pocket workstation debian thing to work with the cacko hybrid though.. |
| 01:15.25 | nmeu | any clue how to make it like it with oz 3.2 ? |
| 01:15.58 | Xumbi | I tried that too when I got my 256MB SD card, couldn't get it to work |
| 01:16.29 | Xumbi | it gave me a display, but no window manager |
| 01:16.58 | nmeu | i got it to run off my 245 cf.. but couldn't get debian packages to install for some reason |
| 01:17.14 | nmeu | 256.. duh |
| 01:17.51 | Xumbi | did you see a window manager? |
| 01:18.09 | nmeu | yeah.. it was pretty damn cool |
| 01:18.37 | nmeu | it was fast too.. faster than x11zaurus anyway |
| 01:18.41 | Xumbi | I wonder why I didn't |
| 01:19.15 | nmeu | i was using the cacko rom.. it wouldn't work with OZ |
| 01:19.23 | Xumbi | did you follow the regular instructions? |
| 01:19.30 | nmeu | no.. not really.. |
| 01:19.30 | Xumbi | ohhh |
| 01:20.02 | nmeu | it worked with the new sharp rom too.. but OZ just seems to be too cool for it.. |
| 01:20.14 | nmeu | i haven't tried tiny-x yet though |
| 01:20.15 | Xumbi | I guess so |
| 01:20.44 | Xumbi | does that run inside QPE/Opie? |
| 01:21.23 | nmeu | have you got x11zaurus to work with oz ? i did but the touch screen didn't want to work |
| 01:21.50 | Xumbi | I haven't tried it with OZ |
| 01:22.04 | nmeu | yeah.. tiny-x runs inside opie |
| 01:22.11 | Xumbi | very cool |
| 01:22.49 | nmeu | i got snes9x to run under oz with x11zaurus.. but the ts didn't work and very few games were playable |
| 01:23.14 | nmeu | i here it runs nicer with pocketworkstation |
| 01:23.33 | Xumbi | yeah |
| 01:23.49 | Xumbi | it would be nice if it worked with OZ |
| 01:24.00 | nmeu | but hopefully someone will snes9x to sdl soon |
| 01:24.13 | Xumbi | that'd be cool |
| 01:26.08 | nmeu | i just bought a cf reader yesterday.. i finally broke down.. dude, i screwed up my zaurus with on old crow rom and none of my modules were working.. well no usb so i was beaming the oz rom image from the IR on my pocketpc.. |
| 01:26.28 | nmeu | it worked but took 2 hours to copy like 16 meg heh |
| 01:29.29 | Xumbi | wow |
| 01:29.43 | Xumbi | it sucks that ir is that slow |
| 01:30.00 | nmeu | i know.. |
| 01:31.27 | Xumbi | what do you use you pocket pc for that the z can't do? |
| 01:31.46 | nmeu | um.. not much |
| 01:32.02 | nmeu | pocket nes for ppc is pretty cool |
| 01:32.10 | Xumbi | ah |
| 01:32.29 | nmeu | i haven't found a good nes emu for the zaurus yet |
| 01:32.42 | Xumbi | I was checking out this kid's new dell axim the other day |
| 01:32.45 | nmeu | one with good controls anyway |
| 01:32.58 | nmeu | oh yeah? was it nice? |
| 01:33.21 | Xumbi | kinda, the screen was much better |
| 01:33.44 | Xumbi | but the z still beats it for sure |
| 01:33.46 | nmeu | there is ALOT of things i can do with my zaurus that i can't do with my pocket pc though |
| 01:34.27 | nmeu | pocket pc SDK ha! what a joke |
| 01:35.06 | nmeu | visual blah blah blah pay a million dollars.. i live in my parents basement |
| 01:35.37 | Xumbi | hah |
| 01:35.53 | Xumbi | you developed anything on/for the z? |
| 01:36.13 | nmeu | i built this box out of parts that i scored while dumpster diving |
| 01:36.43 | ljp_laptop | groovey |
| 01:36.44 | nmeu | i'm working on some ALSA stuff |
| 01:36.54 | Xumbi | nice |
| 01:37.14 | nmeu | my friend is big on the whole midi thing.. we like to make noise |
| 01:37.15 | Xumbi | what are the specs? |
| 01:37.24 | nmeu | this box? |
| 01:37.36 | Xumbi | the one you built |
| 01:38.53 | nmeu | pcchips m571 mobo, 128 meg pc100, k6-2 450 |
| 01:39.24 | Xumbi | not bad for free |
| 01:39.56 | nmeu | yeah.. i have a 6 inch box fan blowing right on the cpu cuz it always over heats |
| 01:40.05 | fliplap | hah |
| 01:40.12 | Xumbi | no heatsink? |
| 01:40.35 | nmeu | oh.. it's a AT form factor too.. it has a heatsink.. but this thing smokes.. |
| 01:40.55 | fliplap | heh, you're going to burn down the house |
| 01:40.57 | Xumbi | ah |
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| 01:41.25 | rev_ | yoo |
| 01:41.39 | nmeu | i used to have a k6-233 in it. it wasn't really any slower.. the bus on this motherboard is mad slow |
| 01:42.02 | Xumbi | yeah I bet |
| 01:42.14 | nmeu | it's one of those really cheap i mean really cheap all in one thingys.. with the video and sound onboard... |
| 01:42.30 | nmeu | trust me it's no nforce |
| 01:42.41 | Xumbi | hah |
| 01:43.03 | nmeu | i'm pretty much wasting a 64 meg radeon on it |
| 01:43.06 | Xumbi | well if all you use it for is irc :) |
| 01:43.54 | nmeu | i run mandrake 9.1 on it |
| 01:44.24 | nmeu | it's my box on the network.. |
| 01:44.37 | Xumbi | ah |
| 01:44.41 | nmeu | cable modem is downstairs, my other computer is upstairs |
| 01:44.59 | nmeu | i use my zaurus to transfer files; sneaker net |
| 01:45.01 | nmeu | :) |
| 01:45.21 | Xumbi | wirelessly? |
| 01:45.41 | nmeu | no. i wish.. i don't have that kinda budget |
| 01:45.51 | nmeu | not anymore anyway |
| 01:46.16 | Xumbi | me either |
| 01:46.35 | Xumbi | I just have cf ethernet, but it works fine for me |
| 01:46.46 | nmeu | i don't even have that |
| 01:47.02 | Xumbi | that stinks |
| 01:47.04 | nmeu | i don't even know how i got a zaurus |
| 01:47.11 | Xumbi | hah |
| 01:47.22 | nmeu | that tigerdirect deal.. i just couldn't pass it up |
| 01:47.36 | fliplap | heh, yeah, i got mine from the HSN deal |
| 01:47.45 | fliplap | i didn't need it, but damn that was a good deal |
| 01:47.47 | nmeu | 199.. but i've got a speck on my screen |
| 01:47.54 | Xumbi | had mine for over a year now, got it from best buy and paid it off over 6 months |
| 01:48.04 | fliplap | 169, $181 including express shipping |
| 01:48.09 | Xumbi | wow |
| 01:48.28 | nmeu | last oct, i got a sony clie t-415 from tigerdircet.. (three of them) |
| 01:48.33 | Xumbi | after my employee discount it was still $420 |
| 01:48.35 | fliplap | hah |
| 01:48.43 | fliplap | what do you need 3 for? |
| 01:48.46 | fliplap | did you ebay em? |
| 01:48.48 | nmeu | i used to work at best buy |
| 01:48.48 | nmeu | ha |
| 01:49.01 | Xumbi | yeah, not for long |
| 01:49.27 | nmeu | one for my mom and dad |
| 01:49.33 | Xumbi | got some good discounts though |
| 01:49.52 | nmeu | i opened a new store.. and it sucked |
| 01:50.00 | Xumbi | I bet |
| 01:50.20 | nmeu | lots of free pizza though |
| 01:50.39 | nmeu | shirts with my name on them |
| 01:50.46 | Xumbi | well that's always good |
| 01:52.10 | nmeu | i suppose.. until one day i was helping this customer.. and he was like 'dude, what the hell are you doing here?! come work for me and you can sit down and drink coffee' |
| 01:52.41 | Xumbi | so did you? |
| 01:54.26 | nmeu | motorola satellite radio bench repair |
| 01:54.44 | Xumbi | interesting |
| 01:55.33 | nmeu | you tell me how good you think my suface mount soldering was after drinking mad coffee all day |
| 01:55.33 | nmeu | ha |
| 01:56.04 | Xumbi | hah, that can't help |
| 01:56.21 | nmeu | what dept were you in at best buy? |
| 01:56.36 | Xumbi | computers of course |
| 01:56.43 | Xumbi | it sucked so much |
| 01:56.54 | nmeu | sales? or services? |
| 01:57.01 | Xumbi | sales |
| 01:57.20 | nmeu | i was in services.. nothing like dealing all day who don't know what they're talking about.. |
| 01:57.22 | nmeu | eh? |
| 01:57.37 | Xumbi | yeah I'll bet |
| 01:58.33 | Xumbi | now I do desktop support |
| 01:58.38 | Xumbi | much better |
| 01:59.07 | nmeu | yeah.. i do nothing.. just research and very little dev |
| 02:00.40 | nmeu | i'm hoping to do alittle technical writing for o'reilly books |
| 02:01.13 | nmeu | who knows though... |
| 02:01.43 | Xumbi | that'd be cool |
| 02:03.41 | nmeu | i was chilling with the dude that wrote Palm os network programming, but i haven't seen him since last summer |
| 02:04.55 | nmeu | my friend said he's been hanging out in this old barn full of hippies that are developing opensource 24/7.. somewhere out in the boonies |
| 02:05.08 | m_0f | oic lsd |
| 02:05.28 | ljp_laptop | first time I ever heard support was better than something |
| 02:05.46 | nmeu | heh |
| 02:06.29 | nmeu | i'm outta here.. l8r guys |
| 02:07.55 | Xumbi | anything is better than best buy |
| 02:08.55 | ljp_laptop | hehehhe |
| 02:11.33 | Xumbi | has anyone heard of any progress for OpenZaurus on C7x0's? |
| 02:11.55 | rev_ | nope |
| 02:12.06 | rev_ | although it is something i shall investigate eventually, as i'm getting a c760 |
| 02:12.18 | Xumbi | not being able to run OZ is the only thing holding me back from getting one |
| 02:12.23 | rev_ | i imagine OZ would give me an added degree of flexibility in the way QPE looks |
| 02:12.25 | Xumbi | sweet |
| 02:12.26 | rev_ | eh |
| 02:12.34 | rev_ | i'm just going to run my own platform instead of QPE anywho |
| 02:12.42 | rev_ | i hope to have a OZ distro option eventually with it |
| 02:12.46 | Xumbi | oh yeah? |
| 02:12.52 | rev_ | it's the only reason i'm getting a c760, free even :D |
| 02:13.05 | Xumbi | good deal |
| 02:13.34 | rev_ | yeah totally |
| 02:13.44 | rev_ | the projecti 'm working on is dynapad = http://spe.sf.net |
| 02:13.48 | rev_ | although the webpage sucks |
| 02:13.51 | rev_ | and there's nothing real new there |
| 02:13.54 | rev_ | but it has the basics |
| 02:13.56 | rev_ | and a very old relesae |
| 02:14.10 | rev_ | it excels past OZ and sharp rom software in some areas already |
| 02:14.32 | Xumbi | really? |
| 02:14.41 | rev_ | yeah |
| 02:14.45 | rev_ | notes app specifically |
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| 02:14.50 | rev_ | also, it's universally scriptable |
| 02:15.01 | ljp_laptop | notes app? |
| 02:15.15 | Xumbi | what does it look like? |
| 02:15.20 | rev_ | you can write filter and other scripts in either a language or a visual block-building kind of thing, although that's pretty rough stuff |
| 02:15.32 | rev_ | ljp_laptop: yes, the Z has no good notes app- iqnotes doesn't count mind you |
| 02:15.39 | rev_ | there are screenshots on http://spe.sf.net |
| 02:16.10 | rev_ | although only a couple of the newest release on there, which is still ass-old |
| 02:16.16 | Xumbi | nevermind I found the screenshots |
| 02:16.21 | rev_ | ah k |
| 02:16.29 | rev_ | and that is a very early thing |
| 02:16.33 | rev_ | looks quite a bit different now |
| 02:16.37 | rev_ | but that is like a year old |
| 02:16.49 | Xumbi | I'd love to check it out |
| 02:16.59 | rev_ | hoping to put out a big new release pulling all of my new stuff together before the end of the summer |
| 02:17.40 | rev_ | it's all written in smalltalk, which a lot of people hate |
| 02:17.40 | ljp_laptop | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.2343.png |
| 02:17.42 | Xumbi | nice |
| 02:18.01 | rev_ | although you can do scripting in a lisp-ish language too... i gues i could write a c-like syntax too, but that's far from priority for me |
| 02:18.25 | fliplap | heh |
| 02:18.31 | rev_ | :) |
| 02:18.56 | _Psycho | look good ljp :) |
| 02:19.10 | rev_ | looks like a pain to use |
| 02:19.16 | rev_ | but to each her own i sez |
| 02:19.17 | ljp_laptop | thats a qtopia skin adapted for opie |
| 02:19.24 | rev_ | ah cool |
| 02:20.24 | ljp_laptop | you should add spe to oe/buildroot |
| 02:20.30 | rev_ | yeah |
| 02:20.47 | rev_ | i plan on it when it's polished enough for ignoramous leenucks users not to blindly rip on it |
| 02:20.56 | rev_ | which isn't a statement about anyone in here |
| 02:21.11 | rev_ | but has been my experience using something that isn't c, c++, python, perl etc |
| 02:21.13 | rev_ | :) |
| 02:21.25 | rev_ | i've got the goods, it's just a matter of putting it together in a more presentable way |
| 02:22.08 | Xumbi | what do you see it being used for? |
| 02:22.26 | ljp_laptop | have you tried opie's notesapplet? |
| 02:23.28 | ljp_laptop | picogui is in buildroot, but not really ready for prime time |
| 02:23.53 | rev_ | picogui is sweet, i've used it some on the desktop and on the helio |
| 02:23.55 | rev_ | it's a nice system |
| 02:23.57 | rev_ | very responsive |
| 02:24.06 | rev_ | Xumbi: all sorts of things |
| 02:24.26 | rev_ | 1) as a general purpose pda environment 2) with more apps, a general purpose computing environment 3) science specific applications |
| 02:24.30 | rev_ | that is, i'm an ecologist |
| 02:24.41 | Xumbi | ah |
| 02:24.54 | rev_ | and one of the things i've written to exploit the archetecture of dynapad is something i call (for now) the 'adaptive research framework' |
| 02:25.05 | rev_ | a set of tools for mobile data collection and analysis |
| 02:25.21 | rev_ | really benefits from the core object database and open scripting system |
| 02:25.48 | rev_ | 've tried the opie notes applet yes |
| 02:26.00 | rev_ | maybe i'm spoiled |
| 02:26.12 | rev_ | i've come from the world of the newton, and to a lesser extent winCE |
| 02:26.24 | rev_ | where the builtin notes options are very good or decent respectively |
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| 02:26.44 | rev_ | for the Z to be a good platform for taking notes, i'd either need a) real HWR or b) a notes app for taking freehand drawn notes that isn't so annoying |
| 02:26.58 | ljp_laptop | what makes them decent? |
| 02:27.15 | rev_ | e.g. i tried taking my lecture notes in iqnotes and drawpad but it just ain't doable to tap 5 times every 30 seconds, e.g. every time i needed a new page |
| 02:27.52 | rev_ | the newton notes app was very nice because a) you entered data with good, real Newton HWR (no eat up martha in the NOS 2.x models) |
| 02:28.05 | rev_ | b) you had a few choices- outlining, drawn notes, plain text notes |
| 02:28.12 | rev_ | you automatically got formatting and such with the newton text widget |
| 02:28.26 | rev_ | the outlining was very good as well... easily move nodes between places, collapse and expand them |
| 02:28.34 | rev_ | change levels just by dragging |
| 02:29.06 | rev_ | the PocketPC/WinCE notes isn't that nice, but it is decent- again, having real HWR (CalliGrapher for me) or at least a scrolling canvas for freehand notes is a must |
| 02:29.14 | rev_ | when i sold my 5500, it was 2.38 ROM land |
| 02:29.26 | rev_ | and the character recognition sucked ass, taking .5 - .75 sec for each char to be recognized |
| 02:29.30 | rev_ | but in the 3.10 ROM it's a lot better |
| 02:29.35 | rev_ | so it may not be so horrible |
| 02:30.06 | rev_ | and i never could get much speed with the 5500 thumboard; i easily get 45-50 WPM with newton 2100 or CalliGrapher/Transciiber HWR |
| 02:30.54 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
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| 02:31.51 | rev_ | :( |
| 02:31.52 | rev_ | oh well |
| 02:31.54 | rev_ | what can you do |
| 02:32.10 | ljp_laptop | push it down the stairs |
| 02:32.27 | rev_ | being a big nerd in the land of trees, one of the main reasons i got into PDAs was so that i could code outside |
| 02:33.15 | ljp_laptop | ya, I wish this laptop had a screen I could see outside in daylight |
| 02:33.21 | rev_ | yeah |
| 02:33.33 | rev_ | my ibook is decent outside, but too big for me to take on a hike |
| 02:33.50 | rev_ | i liked the jornada 720 because it was jus the right size with just the right kb for coding anywhere |
| 02:33.53 | rev_ | but again, no backlight |
| 02:34.01 | rev_ | wasn't horrible in the shade but still suboptimal |
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| 02:37.42 | fliplap | yeah, thats what i like about my Z, when i was a CSE major i would do assignments on it |
| 02:39.02 | rev_ | yeah |
| 02:39.07 | rev_ | hell you can even compile C on the Z |
| 02:39.16 | rev_ | which is one thing you can't do on WinCE AFAIK |
| 02:39.24 | rev_ | although i've no desire to do it, considering my antilove for it heh |
| 02:39.52 | rev_ | that distributed cc for the Z is neat... take the Z + wifi + car battery + small PC in your pack... :D |
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| 02:44.50 | kend-zaur | re |
| 02:45.05 | kend-zaur | is there imagemagick or netpbm packaged for z? |
| 02:47.13 | kend-zaur | hmmm... |
| 02:51.28 | kend-zaur | i took some photos with my digital cam but it was too large (forgot to reduce settings) |
| 02:53.08 | kend-zaur | so i'd like to shrink 'em on my z >:^) |
| 02:53.30 | kend-zaur | e.g.: djpeg foo.jpg | pnmscale .5 | cjpeg > foo2.jpg |
| 03:00.07 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 03:00.41 | kend-zaur | anything in familiar? |
| 03:01.48 | kend-zaur | ooh.. batt's nearly dead |
| 03:02.00 | kend-zaur | cya! |
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| 04:20.38 | Pendalar | I can't figure the vnc server out |
| 04:20.49 | Pendalar | =-P |
| 04:20.58 | Pendalar | I rebooted, did the first 2 tap things.. bah |
| 04:21.07 | Pendalar | got the /etc/ file, made the link.. |
| 04:29.24 | rev_ | yar |
| 04:30.53 | Pendalar | didn't try the mknod faq |
| 04:30.57 | Pendalar | is that still a problem? |
| 04:31.14 | Pendalar | I'll trade you if you have a new school one =-P |
| 04:31.27 | rev_ | what model of old school have you? |
| 04:31.31 | rev_ | i'm getting a c760 |
| 04:31.34 | rev_ | but i don't mean a 5x00 |
| 04:31.42 | rev_ | i mean a pre-SL-series zaurus |
| 04:31.44 | rev_ | in the MI line |
| 04:31.49 | rev_ | jp only |
| 04:31.51 | rev_ | non-linux |
| 04:31.56 | rev_ | but very popular in japan |
| 04:32.26 | rev_ | if you ever see a quote about how successful the zaurus is, quoting like 50% of all PDA sales in japan, they're talking about the total Z line- there has been a non-linux zaurus series for quite sometime |
| 04:32.29 | Pendalar | I have a 5500 atm |
| 04:32.32 | rev_ | ah |
| 04:32.34 | rev_ | not old school |
| 04:32.34 | rev_ | :P |
| 04:32.36 | rev_ | i had one |
| 04:32.41 | rev_ | but gave it the boot |
| 04:32.44 | Pendalar | I want a 760.. whenever I can rape a banker |
| 04:32.49 | rev_ | check these out |
| 04:32.49 | rev_ | http://ezaurus.com/lineup/mi/index.html |
| 04:32.53 | rev_ | they look like the 5500 |
| 04:32.56 | rev_ | but they're older, and don't run linux |
| 04:33.00 | rev_ | but some funky sharp os |
| 04:33.01 | rev_ | yeah |
| 04:33.05 | rev_ | i'm getting a c760 for free :D |
| 04:33.13 | Pendalar | =-( don't rub it in |
| 04:33.20 | rev_ | serious too |
| 04:33.21 | rev_ | no joke |
| 04:33.22 | rev_ | donation |
| 04:33.59 | Pendalar | if you get 2, send me one |
| 04:34.03 | rev_ | heh |
| 04:34.05 | Pendalar | how did you manage that? |
| 04:34.19 | rev_ | in support of my research/development |
| 04:34.24 | rev_ | of a new PDA platform/operating environment |
| 04:34.26 | rev_ | http://spe.sf.net |
| 04:34.33 | rev_ | runs on top of other OSes, and eventually as its own OS |
| 04:34.38 | rev_ | cross-platform |
| 04:34.38 | rev_ | etc |
| 04:35.35 | Pendalar | cross platform is good.. but is it really that wise to compete with other PDA OS's who have a a huge jumpstart? |
| 04:36.06 | Pendalar | I couldn't imagine like going on my own and trying to best qtopia or OZ |
| 04:36.09 | Pendalar | would be funny |
| 04:37.46 | rev_ | eh |
| 04:37.48 | rev_ | it's mostly for me |
| 04:37.52 | rev_ | i mean |
| 04:38.06 | rev_ | QPE, WinCE and PalmOS as well as most "modern" desktop OSes lack in a lot of ways |
| 04:38.10 | rev_ | for what i want |
| 04:38.18 | rev_ | QPE+linux is definately suboptimal |
| 04:38.26 | rev_ | and since i abhor c/c++, i won't be improving it |
| 04:38.28 | rev_ | but to each her own |
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| 04:38.36 | rev_ | i don't expect dynapad (my thing) to take over the world |
| 04:39.36 | Pendalar | what is it you think most of them lack? |
| 04:39.48 | Pendalar | I can't say I like the screenshots etc, but interested in your theory |
| 04:40.18 | rev_ | yeah, those screnshots are old as molasses |
| 04:40.24 | rev_ | i don't have a new-new release out |
| 04:40.27 | rev_ | which is dumb of me |
| 04:40.44 | rev_ | most oses are closed |
| 04:40.51 | rev_ | not open/closed source, but in a more fundamental nature |
| 04:41.11 | rev_ | while i don't use emacs as much as hardcore types, my environment should be modiftiable ala emacs |
| 04:41.24 | rev_ | and i shouldn't have to go through lengthy recompiles, etc just to tweak small things |
| 04:41.41 | rev_ | and i want my data in a usable form, not in a bin/txt file that i have to parse and process |
| 04:41.53 | rev_ | that is a waste of my time as a programmer, hence an object database at the center |
| 04:46.25 | Pendalar | and a normal linux distro couldn't be customized to do that easily? |
| 04:47.10 | rev_ | nope |
| 04:47.16 | rev_ | there is a great deal of overhead involved |
| 04:47.26 | rev_ | largely because of the lingua franca of linux/unix: c |
| 04:47.51 | rev_ | i suppose if your entire user environment was written in perl/python/lisp/whatever, some dynamic, reflective, introspective language |
| 04:48.11 | rev_ | by overhead i don't mean cpu/ram but emotional and temporal overhead |
| 04:48.26 | treke|home | which wont happen any time soon |
| 04:48.33 | rev_ | exactly |
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| 04:48.48 | rev_ | because it'd be a lot of work, and most unix types are way to attached to C |
| 04:48.51 | rev_ | or c++ |
| 04:48.58 | rev_ | which is to be expected |
| 04:49.26 | rev_ | so instead of waiting around for someone else to wanting real power out of their computing environment, i'll do the work myself and end up more satisfied |
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| 04:51.54 | Pendalar | hm |
| 04:52.04 | Pendalar | I can understand that well enough |
| 04:52.13 | Pendalar | aside from my liking of c/++ |
| 04:52.28 | Pendalar | but in the end won't you lose more time coding an OS, than to tweak what's already out there? |
| 04:52.40 | rev_ | perhaps |
| 04:52.45 | Pendalar | or just to deal with it and go the long route in your other programming ventures |
| 04:52.45 | rev_ | but it's time much more enjoyed |
| 04:53.11 | rev_ | and this platform opens up a lot of doors to other personal projects, making them a lot easier than if i started from gtk+ or qt |
| 04:53.43 | rev_ | i've done my fair share of c and c++ and i do not like it |
| 04:53.50 | rev_ | with a proper api it might not be that bad i suppose |
| 04:54.06 | rev_ | a very high level one |
| 04:54.09 | rev_ | but still |
| 04:54.20 | rev_ | why use an imitation of the real thing? :) |
| 04:55.25 | Pendalar | why not just learn binary and screw it |
| 04:55.30 | rev_ | haha |
| 04:55.33 | rev_ | sounds like a plan |
| 04:55.58 | rev_ | and it's also worth pointing out i'm not starting from scratch |
| 04:56.23 | rev_ | i'm creating a pda platform out of an existing hosted OS/windowing system/class library/GUI API |
| 04:57.23 | Pendalar | still.. even for a few perks I can't imagine being serious about reinventing the wheel that far |
| 04:57.38 | Pendalar | I'd never get back to doing the real projects I needed a custom OS for |
| 04:57.46 | Pendalar | because all your time would be soaked into the OS |
| 04:57.50 | rev_ | nah |
| 04:57.54 | rev_ | that would be the case if i were doing it in C |
| 04:57.59 | rev_ | things take much less time |
| 04:58.01 | rev_ | for example |
| 04:58.13 | Pendalar | kinda like Kergoth.. I wonder if really he had his mind set to do other projects, but then decided to go the OZ route |
| 04:58.16 | rev_ | i wrote a notes app that outdoes anything you can get for the Z in a matter of ytwo hours |
| 04:58.31 | Pendalar | which has taken more time, and left projects unrealized |
| 04:58.47 | rev_ | why should i waste my time doing it in qt/e + c++, ending up in a half-baked product? |
| 04:58.51 | rev_ | after all |
| 04:59.02 | rev_ | if linus wasn't interested in a few perks, you'd probably be using windows |
| 04:59.19 | rev_ | rather, in what other people saw as a few perks |
| 05:00.10 | Pendalar | I don't see why you think all C++ projects are half backed |
| 05:00.17 | rev_ | they're not all inherently |
| 05:00.27 | Pendalar | they might be coded in a non efficent matter as opposed to what you are proposing... |
| 05:00.33 | Pendalar | but I wouldn't call them half-baked |
| 05:00.40 | rev_ | but when you have to put more time into a project to achieve the same end, it is inevitable that a good deal of them end up half-baked |
| 05:00.43 | rev_ | it's not inherent to c++ at all |
| 05:00.46 | Pendalar | that's sort of a developer skill thing |
| 05:00.49 | Pendalar | ah |
| 05:00.55 | rev_ | but no matter what, people end up dropping a project because they don't have the time |
| 05:01.12 | rev_ | and if i can do in two hours what would otherwise take 20, there's a much higher chance of project completion |
| 05:01.14 | Pendalar | although I do test Java apps on the Zaurus.. if they work at all, they are ugly and barely work |
| 05:01.25 | rev_ | then don't use java |
| 05:01.29 | rev_ | i don't :) |
| 05:01.36 | Pendalar | yeah, hence visual basic and such nonsense |
| 05:01.58 | rev_ | i'm not arguing for everyone dropping c/c++ to use my system, but it's not worth my time to dick around with messy c/c++-based systems anymore |
| 05:02.04 | Pendalar | I can whip something up in cobol pretty easily but I would call that half baked ;-) |
| 05:02.19 | rev_ | what i'm talking about isn't a hack-job done in VB |
| 05:02.20 | Pendalar | so are you creating a custom progamming language to go with it? |
| 05:02.26 | rev_ | although people can do non-hack-jobs in VB as well |
| 05:02.32 | rev_ | but there is a tendancy to do so |
| 05:02.41 | rev_ | no, the language is smalltalk, nothing new |
| 05:04.02 | Pendalar | not fond of it |
| 05:04.11 | rev_ | as i said, to each his own |
| 05:04.35 | NeoTron | ibot faq |
| 05:04.36 | | [faq] at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ |
| 05:04.43 | rev_ | i don't expect the c/c++ coders of the world to adopt smalltalk any more than i'd expect seasoned smalltalkers to stoop to c/c++ for non-drivers |
| 05:05.24 | Pendalar | I'm fond of C because it's at least semi-portable for what I do |
| 05:05.31 | rev_ | then there you go |
| 05:05.34 | Pendalar | I'm still kinda anti-gui for most things |
| 05:05.42 | Pendalar | so it works for me |
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| 05:05.47 | rev_ | for me, the level of abstraction is way too low such that it is inefficient |
| 05:05.59 | rev_ | and smalltalk is at a reasonable level, but things still perform well enough |
| 05:06.07 | Pendalar | now if I wanted GUI apps, I'd prob cry for a few days.. and use java |
| 05:09.10 | Pendalar | ok a few weeks *sigh* |
| 05:09.22 | rev_ | ? |
| 05:09.29 | rev_ | why? because your're not used to writing gui apps? |
| 05:09.48 | Pendalar | I usually do IRCd work and other such daemons |
| 05:10.00 | Pendalar | although I plan to get into GUI more soon |
| 05:10.07 | Pendalar | but every time I say that I switch GUIs |
| 05:10.18 | Pendalar | windows->linux-> now interested in the zaurus |
| 05:10.20 | rev_ | heh |
| 05:10.31 | rev_ | z work would cross apply to windows and linux |
| 05:10.35 | rev_ | it's all qt man |
| 05:10.38 | Pendalar | so I'm having a bad learning curve.. this per gui api crap gets on my nerves ;-) |
| 05:10.45 | rev_ | heh |
| 05:10.47 | Pendalar | I don't use qt on a box |
| 05:10.55 | Pendalar | I doubt many people do for a real workstation |
| 05:11.08 | rev_ | it depends on what a "real workstation is" |
| 05:11.11 | rev_ | er " is |
| 05:11.14 | rev_ | plenty of people use KDE |
| 05:11.30 | rev_ | but are they not real workstations because they're not hardcore enough? :P |
| 05:11.39 | rev_ | and kde is built in qt |
| 05:11.52 | Pendalar | a real workstation is defined by sex appeal |
| 05:11.53 | Pendalar | j/k |
| 05:11.58 | rev_ | heh |
| 05:20.22 | rev_ | OZ for the C700 looks good |
| 05:20.33 | rev_ | i don't like how big everything is on the default sharp rom for the C7x0 |
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| 14:07.44 | lindahl | anybody here? |
| 14:08.46 | XavierXeon | no |
| 14:08.54 | lindahl | damn. |
| 14:09.18 | lindahl | i just saw Agent Cody Banks |
| 14:09.32 | lindahl | best part of it was, the crooks used a Zaurus to program nano-robots |
| 14:09.53 | flipdesk | i just saw drinkin, and did some drinkin |
| 14:10.19 | flipdesk | yay 4th of july...for the USA-ians in here anyway |
| 14:10.40 | lindahl | its 5th here :p |
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| 14:11.01 | ljp_laptop | 5th here also |
| 14:11.02 | flipdesk | well yeah, its the 5th here now too |
| 14:11.28 | flipdesk | 7 in the morning on the 5th, i stopped drinkin about 3 hours ago |
| 14:11.38 | lindahl | guess its still 4th to some shark in the pacific |
| 14:11.57 | XavierXeon | here it is saturday, same as a weeka ago |
| 14:13.26 | find_me | i want a cheap zaurus where can i get ? |
| 14:13.30 | ljp_laptop | no, its the 6th in the east pacific |
| 14:13.45 | flipdesk | shrug, does tigerdirect still have that deal |
| 14:13.46 | lindahl | you sure |
| 14:13.51 | ljp_laptop | tigerdirect.com |
| 14:13.55 | lindahl | you could try ebay |
| 14:14.04 | flipdesk | you missed the HSN deal by a few months |
| 14:14.20 | find_me | ebay is a pawn shop |
| 14:14.28 | flipdesk | ok, so? |
| 14:14.40 | flipdesk | you said cheap, not perfect |
| 14:14.41 | lindahl | east of the date-line running just esats of austalia, it should still be 4th i think |
| 14:14.58 | stew_b | computergeeks.com has the 5500 for $235 |
| 14:15.30 | find_me | office depot was giving me for $190 |
| 14:15.34 | ljp_laptop | brisbane is the 6th, at 00:11 |
| 14:15.36 | find_me | but it was a floor model |
| 14:15.44 | find_me | screen was all messed up |
| 14:15.44 | flipdesk | thats a good deal |
| 14:15.50 | flipdesk | well then |
| 14:15.52 | lindahl | brisbane hardly being eastern pacific |
| 14:15.54 | flipdesk | maybe not |
| 14:16.02 | ljp_laptop | err western, sorry |
| 14:16.06 | ljp_laptop | heh |
| 14:16.57 | lindahl | i am having trouble getting my pocketop keyboard set up with my zaurus |
| 14:17.15 | lindahl | i first tried with open zaurus, but it just idnt seem to install |
| 14:17.26 | lindahl | rotation worked nice though |
| 14:17.50 | lindahl | then i tried with the newest official zaurus ROM, the keyboard drivers worked well, but the rotation didnt |
| 14:18.29 | lindahl | is there a specific rom image of OZ that is needed to get th epocketop working? |
| 14:20.32 | find_me | is there a link that specifies why to buy zaurus instead of palm ? |
| 14:22.14 | flipdesk | they're totally different beasts |
| 14:22.23 | flipdesk | you buy a Palm if you want a PDA |
| 14:22.34 | flipdesk | you buy a Zaurus if you want a tiny little linux box |
| 14:22.50 | ljp_laptop | my z works as a pda |
| 14:24.18 | lindahl | are there ssh clients for the palm? |
| 14:24.24 | flipdesk | yes |
| 14:24.33 | find_me | thanks flipdesk |
| 14:24.50 | lindahl | do any of you use the linksys wlan card? |
| 14:24.54 | lindahl | wcf12 |
| 14:25.49 | lindahl | mine gets really hot after some time |
| 14:26.38 | flipdesk | i really need to get a CF wireless card |
| 14:27.05 | flipdesk | i've been using my cf->pcmcia adapter and an orinoco |
| 14:27.11 | ljp_laptop | dlink works also. they all get hot |
| 14:27.29 | lindahl | hot as in almost burning my fingers on them |
| 14:27.39 | flipdesk | i was gonna get the netgear, any opinion on that one? |
| 14:28.45 | find_me | only linksys |
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| 14:39.05 | fdask | i was getting out of a cab last night and i dropped my zaurus onto the pavement |
| 14:39.10 | fdask | :[ |
| 14:39.28 | fdask | remarkably, the unit survived. no apparent damage. |
| 14:39.37 | fdask | only i can't find my stylus now |
| 14:40.03 | lindahl | i heard its hard finding new stylus'es |
| 14:40.18 | djk | they sell on zaurus.com |
| 14:40.31 | fdask | hrmm |
| 14:41.41 | djk | http://www.myzaurus.com/acc_Stylus.asp |
| 14:42.41 | djk | and the price is better than it used to be. $9.99 for 2 |
| 14:42.53 | lindahl | do they ship internationally |
| 14:43.01 | djk | might |
| 14:43.06 | djk | where are you? |
| 14:43.09 | lindahl | norway |
| 14:43.26 | flipdesk | my zaurus was fine when i dropped it |
| 14:43.30 | flipdesk | but the stylus broke |
| 14:43.50 | lindahl | the deluxe modell stylus is in metall :) |
| 14:44.04 | djk | yes |
| 14:44.24 | djk | I don't know what the replace is |
| 14:44.26 | fdask | ya i couldnt believe my zaurus survived this drop |
| 14:45.00 | djk | best I can say is either contact zaurus support or try ordering from Office Depot |
| 14:45.05 | lindahl | they seem only to shop in canada and usa |
| 14:47.05 | djk | maybe you could email and ask if they would ship to you as a special. The price will go significantly :-( |
| 14:47.26 | djk | just check the UK Zaurus no stylus there :-( |
| 14:47.33 | lindahl | hm.. ill see what i can do. |
| 14:47.42 | lindahl | my flat mate got an ipq lately witn an extra stylus |
| 14:47.50 | lindahl | doesnt fit in teh slot but its something atleast, lol |
| 14:48.02 | lindahl | *ipaq |
| 14:48.15 | djk | yeah the zaurus is short |
| 14:48.45 | djk | somebody once posted a modification on the sony stylus i think |
| 14:48.58 | lindahl | oh |
| 14:49.39 | djk | try zaurus support they might have a local recommendation |
| 14:49.51 | lindahl | thanks |
| 14:52.04 | fdask | i'm checking out the forums... ppl report the palm tungsten t stylus is a good replacement |
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| 20:10.57 | Pungent | I've been attempting to, yet the chain fails while building the arm version of gcc |
| 20:11.38 | Pungent | I've scoured the internet, dug up several howtos and guides on this, and followed all of the instructions, yet the build still fails |
| 20:12.40 | Pungent | I get binutils built fine, its just the bootstrapping compiler compile that dies, even after I extracted the arm headers from the binary of the arm toolchain and installed just those locally |
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| 20:31.37 | Pungent | yeiazel: I say 'fifty-five hundred' for mine |
| 20:31.52 | yeiazel | ok |
| 20:32.08 | yeiazel | (need to know that for a presentation in english next week :) |
| 20:32.58 | Pungent | it kinda depends, I would say 'five-thousand', 'fifty-five hundred', 'bee five hundred', 'cee seven hundred' etc |
| 20:39.21 | yeiazel | thanks |
| 20:52.04 | ljp_laptop | I usually pronounce is 'great-googli-moogli' |
| 20:52.13 | ljp_laptop | it, not is |
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| 21:11.35 | George- | ljp_laptop: nope, term ended yesterday |
| 21:11.42 | George- | ljp_laptop: I have 8 weeks of freedom |
| 21:13.24 | ljp_laptop | slacker |
| 21:13.32 | ljp_laptop | hope they gave you homework |
| 21:13.36 | ljp_laptop | :D |
| 21:14.55 | George- | nah |
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| 21:22.18 | NeoTron | http://eongames.com/games/db2/ <== go try out dragon bane 2 |
| 21:22.54 | ljp_laptop | spammer. ;) |
| 21:23.31 | ljp_laptop | screenies? |
| 21:45.50 | NeoTron | doing right now |
| 21:47.56 | NeoTron | http://eongames.com/games/db2/shots.html |
| 21:49.50 | _phantom_ | db2 is a _great_ rpg :-) [i have palm version of it] |
| 21:50.00 | _phantom_ | old good times of bards tale, etc... |
| 21:50.29 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 21:51.11 | _phantom_ | it is a pity that there is only one addon for it : princess demezelda. |
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| 21:51.59 | NeoTron | nice thing is the Zaurus version uses the exact same format for save files and everuthing |
| 21:52.28 | _phantom_ | hmm.... it is a good information :-D |
| 21:53.08 | _phantom_ | when it'll be available to purchase? |
| 21:56.52 | NeoTron | relatively shortly I think |
| 21:57.21 | NeoTron | Jason is shortly going to update his site. |
| 21:57.48 | NeoTron | I hope people won't run from the high price |
| 21:57.52 | George- | woohoo |
| 21:57.57 | George- | Panther just finished downloading |
| 22:00.26 | _phantom_ | panther ? |
| 22:02.24 | ljp_laptop | high price? |
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| 22:03.23 | NeoTron | qit's 26 bucks or so |
| 22:03.25 | NeoTron | DB2 that is |
| 22:03.27 | NeoTron | for all platforms |
| 22:03.37 | sheenmaster | does anyone have GCC, or any ANSI C compile for that matter, running on OpenZaurus? |
| 22:03.52 | subdue | ow |
| 22:04.00 | sheenmaster | I know there are packages, but the last time I checked they were broken. |
| 22:04.03 | subdue | how long is the game? |
| 22:04.18 | subdue | (purchase value=playing time) |
| 22:04.58 | ljp_laptop | better make it sound like its worth it anyway. :D |
| 22:05.22 | George- | _phantom_: Mac OS X 10.3 "Panther" |
| 22:05.31 | ljp_laptop | mac? |
| 22:05.31 | _phantom_ | aaahm :-) George- thanks :-) |
| 22:05.39 | George- | ljp_laptop: bleh |
| 22:05.49 | ljp_laptop | I thought macs died with os/2 |
| 22:05.53 | George- | lol |
| 22:06.27 | _phantom_ | macs are nice, especially with linux on board :-> |
| 22:08.20 | NeoTron | subdue: "maybe 30" according to the maker |
| 22:08.32 | NeoTron | plus you can have more adventures, although there's only one of them |
| 22:08.37 | subdue | ok |
| 22:08.46 | subdue | ty |
| 22:09.01 | subdue | ~ $1/hr entertainment value |
| 22:09.14 | _phantom_ | there is a db2ack (adventure construction kit) available. |
| 22:09.33 | NeoTron | http://www.mythological.com/db2_editor.htm |
| 22:25.10 | George- | george@lithium:~> uptime |
| 22:25.11 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.11 | George- | wooot |
| 22:26.21 | flipdesk | bash-2.05a$ uptime |
| 22:26.21 | flipdesk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:26.52 | flipdesk | that box only has 28 more days of operation tho |
| 22:26.54 | George- | BAH |
| 22:27.00 | George- | BASTARD!!! |
| 22:27.23 | flipdesk | hehe, well yeah, thats pretty much the only time that box goes down |
| 22:27.25 | mutexer | my uptime is 2 hours and 5 minutes |
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| 22:28.00 | George- | flipdesk: mine went down when I insisted that I needed kernel 2.4.20 :) |
| 22:28.28 | ljp_z | use 2.4.21 |
| 22:28.32 | flipdesk | ah, that box is freebsd |
| 22:29.22 | George- | george@bastard:~> uptime |
| 22:29.24 | George- | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.28 | George- | ok, I fabricated that :P |
| 22:29.53 | George- | Linux lithium 2.4.20-4GB #1 Thu Mar 20 13:58:13 UTC 2003 i586 unknown |
| 22:30.02 | George- | nah, I think I'm fine on 2.4.20 |
| 22:30.14 | ljp_z | nope |
| 22:30.20 | George- | my powerbook's on benh's unstable branch though |
| 22:30.23 | George- | so that's 2.4.21 |
| 22:30.35 | ljp_z | .21 has usbnet for zaurus |
| 22:30.46 | George- | ljp_z: this machine isn't a workstation |
| 22:30.50 | George- | ljp_z: it's a server |
| 22:31.28 | _phantom_ | upti[0:31](phantom@dragon:~)# uptime |
| 22:31.29 | _phantom_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.29 | _phantom_ | [0:31](phantom@dragon:~)# uname -a |
| 22:31.29 | _phantom_ | Linux dragon 2.2.20 #3 Fri Jan 18 00:29:14 CET 2002 i686 unknown |
| 22:31.32 | _phantom_ | ;-) |
| 22:31.53 | George- | _phantom_: little shit. |
| 22:32.09 | _phantom_ | my ,,record'' is 297 days. |
| 22:32.14 | ljp_z | so, server.. desktop... same thing |
| 22:32.25 | _phantom_ | and then ... ups gave up :-/ |
| 22:32.41 | George- | mine has a UPS |
| 22:32.48 | George- | it's called a laptop with a battery :D |
| 22:32.56 | _phantom_ | hehe :-) |
| 22:33.09 | _phantom_ | ups on dragon lasts for 10minutes after powercut ;-/ |
| 22:33.18 | George- | lol |
| 22:33.26 | George- | my ups lasts about 1 hour :D |
| 22:33.31 | George- | (old laptop) |
| 22:34.34 | _phantom_ | yeah it is a shitty old ups there. |
| 22:34.45 | George- | grrr |
| 22:34.54 | George- | how long will Panther take on this fecking tibook |
| 22:34.56 | George- | grrr |
| 22:35.19 | _phantom_ | hm... it is high time to take some sleep :-) good night :-) |
| 22:35.31 | George- | ? |
| 22:35.37 | George- | no, I'm nursing a panther install |
| 22:38.07 | ljp_z | panther? |
| 22:38.19 | George- | Mac OS X 10.3. |
| 22:38.58 | George- | hrmm, I shouldn't have sprayed WD40 all over my knife... it stank out my room :( |
| 22:39.47 | ljp_z | dont spray it on your computer, either |
| 22:40.05 | George- | lol |
| 22:43.08 | ljp_z | slacker |
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| 23:24.51 | ljp_z | ibot test |
| 23:24.51 | | Passed |
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| 23:27.09 | ljp_z | ibot test |
| 23:27.09 | | Passed |
| 23:29.59 | ljp_z | man this battery does not last with wifi |
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