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| 00:33.20 | omoore | anyone here coding in c++ for the Zaurus? |
| 00:33.23 | omoore | i got a question... |
| 00:33.42 | Pend-Gone | lots of people supposing they are awake |
| 00:33.50 | omoore | what do i include to get a line QFile track( "/opt/QtPalmtop/sounds/myNewSound.wav" ); to compile? |
| 00:33.58 | omoore | i tried qfile.h |
| 00:34.09 | omoore | but started getting errors just adding the qfile.h entry |
| 00:34.48 | omoore | can post code and output in #flood if that would be helpful |
| 00:35.25 | Pendalar | I'm not much help on the subject |
| 00:35.26 | omoore | note.. i'm not too far into my c++ studies...(ch4 of Thinking in C++) |
| 00:35.41 | Pendalar | warmi or .. complex.. or.. hrm |
| 00:35.45 | Pendalar | br33zy |
| 00:35.46 | omoore | so i may be doing something stupid here |
| 00:35.53 | Pendalar | not sure who all are coders here |
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| 00:53.40 | NoRemorse | hi, has anyone here installed the build environment for opie on x86 ? |
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| 01:04.50 | NoRemorse | qt-2.3.5/lib/libqte.so: undefined reference to `QStyle::operator==(Qt::GUIStyle) const |
| 01:04.55 | NoRemorse | what am I missing? |
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| 03:36.53 | br33zy | Pendalar: yes? |
| 03:36.58 | Pendalar | oh |
| 03:37.12 | Pendalar | omoore was needing some coding advice |
| 03:37.21 | Pendalar | I thought you might could help (or someone else) |
| 03:38.19 | br33zy | still need it? |
| 03:38.45 | Pendalar | probably |
| 03:39.08 | Pendalar | [20:33] <omoore> what do i include to get a line QFile track( "/opt/QtPalmtop/sounds/myNewSound.wav" ); to compile? |
| 03:39.34 | br33zy | read the docs? |
| 03:39.35 | br33zy | ;-) |
| 03:40.01 | Pendalar | =-P be nice |
| 03:40.11 | br33zy | ok |
| 03:40.13 | br33zy | hold up |
| 03:41.41 | br33zy | do you know what track() is apart of? |
| 03:42.14 | omoore | woo hoo |
| 03:42.34 | omoore | i just finished a sample program... in c++ .. that does command line wave recordings on the zaurus |
| 03:42.40 | omoore | i have a question tho... |
| 03:42.48 | br33zy | yes |
| 03:42.53 | br33zy | i probably can't answer it ;-) |
| 03:42.54 | fdask | omoore: does it work with OZ? |
| 03:43.05 | fdask | i've been having a hellava time trying to get opierec 2 work properly -_- |
| 03:43.06 | omoore | fdask: should.. it's simple c++ |
| 03:43.31 | omoore | fdask: i'm not yet writing a header file, and it's hard coded to a great degree... |
| 03:43.39 | omoore | fdask: but it works... baby steps... |
| 03:43.44 | fdask | cool.. |
| 03:43.51 | fdask | u gonna put it up on dev.sharp.com or whatever? |
| 03:43.58 | omoore | fdask: also.. remember.. i just started learning c++ about 48 hours ago |
| 03:44.06 | omoore | fdask: i'm a Java coder by profession |
| 03:44.11 | fdask | nice progress for 48hrs |
| 03:44.19 | omoore | fdask: i actually would like to give it to someone to maintain... |
| 03:44.29 | omoore | fdask: as GPL |
| 03:44.39 | omoore | fdask: as i'm not talented enough with c++ yet |
| 03:44.47 | ljp | whats wrong with opierec? |
| 03:44.54 | omoore | ljp: i'm on sharp rom |
| 03:45.05 | omoore | ljp: but the code is generic |
| 03:45.16 | omoore | ljp: and does opirec work from command line? |
| 03:45.34 | omoore | ljp: my long-term goal is to be able to call the shared library from Java |
| 03:45.39 | ljp | you can start it that way |
| 03:45.48 | omoore | ljp: i need a non-gui app tho |
| 03:46.04 | ljp | vmemo |
| 03:46.15 | ljp | but that only works with opie |
| 03:46.18 | omoore | ljp: does vmemo run on comand line only? |
| 03:46.23 | omoore | ljp: oh.. opie only? |
| 03:46.31 | omoore | ljp: i need this for the 5600 and sharp rom |
| 03:46.34 | ljp | taskbar applet |
| 03:46.43 | omoore | ljp: not good enough unfortunately... |
| 03:46.58 | omoore | ljp: this is for a sofware i use in a service we provide |
| 03:47.21 | ljp | theres probably some linux commandline recorders you can use |
| 03:47.24 | omoore | ljp: so i want to have everything hidden from the user, only using the Java application to work with it |
| 03:47.35 | omoore | ljp: man.. i ahve look EVERYWHERE :) |
| 03:47.39 | omoore | ljp: there are tons for linux |
| 03:47.46 | omoore | ljp: but not for linux on Zaurus... |
| 03:47.59 | omoore | ljp: inparticular.. the perfect solution |
| 03:48.08 | ljp | the cmd lines ones shoudl work |
| 03:48.11 | omoore | ljp: would have been 'record' (from xawtv package) |
| 03:48.27 | omoore | ljp: i could not get them to compile easily.. but am definitly open to them |
| 03:49.08 | omoore | ljp: i said easily.. i meant at all |
| 03:49.47 | omoore | ljp: the only command line recording application i found was 'shine' (compurec*.ipk... i think that's right).. but is is not a good package |
| 03:50.12 | omoore | it writes mp3 files.. but is very sensitive to noise |
| 03:51.36 | omoore | this code is also very very tiny |
| 03:52.29 | omoore | only 87 lines including comments, excluding blank lines |
| 03:52.40 | omoore | but it's not writing the header yet.. working on that tomorrow... |
| 03:52.44 | omoore | er.. wav header |
| 03:52.56 | omoore | will borrow that form record.c source file in the xawtv package |
| 03:53.03 | omoore | s/form/from |
| 03:55.21 | omoore | btw.. can someone point me to a comment that i can put at the top of my code that states it's GPL so can put it on my website for now? |
| 04:03.14 | Pendalar | // this is GPL, have at it, just give me credit |
| 04:03.19 | Pendalar | ;-) |
| 04:03.39 | ljp | hehe |
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| 04:06.09 | omoore | i found this... http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html |
| 04:06.28 | omoore | has a nice little blurb to put at the top of your source code files |
| 04:06.48 | omoore | going to put the code up in a few minutes.. it's an ugly first hack tho |
| 04:07.08 | omoore | so won't submit it to Zaurus Software Index until i get a little further along |
| 04:07.23 | ljp | try /** This file may be distributed and/or modified under the terms of the |
| 04:07.28 | ljp | ** GNU General Public License version 2 as published by the Free Software |
| 04:07.28 | ljp | ** Foundation and appearing in the file LICENSE.GPL included in the |
| 04:07.28 | ljp | ** packaging of this file. |
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| 04:20.47 | omoore | copying the crude code to my website now... |
| 04:20.56 | omoore | would someone see if it works on OZ? |
| 04:21.11 | omoore | (source code is provided, single file, easy to compile) |
| 04:26.48 | omoore | anyone using OZ want to try my crude wav file recorder to see if it works on OZ |
| 04:27.02 | omoore | i can supply arm binary or source to compile... |
| 04:27.09 | omoore | http://www.okmoore.com/wavfilerecorder/ |
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| 04:29.40 | omoore | just finished retransfer |
| 04:30.35 | ljp | crude? |
| 04:31.39 | br33zy | Since this is the most active channel on my list... |
| 04:31.49 | br33zy | Anybody know if "Easyspeak" is an irc network or server? |
| 04:32.12 | omoore | ljp: huh? asking if it's crude? |
| 04:32.18 | omoore | ljp: i'd say it is |
| 04:34.03 | omoore | ljp: i just kinda hacked it out to get the feel of c++ a bit.. do do something *real* with a bit more substance than "hello world" |
| 04:34.12 | omoore | s/do do/to do |
| 04:34.28 | omoore | ljp: i'm think c++ is cool :-D |
| 04:34.39 | ljp | have you checked out rawrec? |
| 04:34.55 | omoore | rawrec? no. .what is it? |
| 04:35.15 | omoore | cause i'm not writing header data yet |
| 04:35.21 | ljp | commandline recorder |
| 04:35.28 | ljp | rawrec.sourceforge.net I think |
| 04:36.54 | omoore | ljp: i'm loking at it now... |
| 04:37.04 | omoore | ljp: i'll pull it down and see if it'll compile for arm |
| 04:37.18 | omoore | it notes it's for intel Linux but they "think" it's portable |
| 04:37.22 | ljp | it will. |
| 04:37.30 | ljp | I edited the makefile |
| 04:38.16 | omoore | ljp: you have it compiling for the zaurus? |
| 04:41.01 | ljp | I did a year ago |
| 04:41.05 | ljp | :D |
| 04:41.27 | omoore | ljp: would i change the CC=gcc to read CC=arm-linux-gcc ? |
| 04:41.32 | omoore | (in the make file) |
| 04:41.40 | omoore | and such |
| 04:43.23 | ljp | yup |
| 04:44.03 | omoore | compiled.. testing now |
| 04:46.32 | omoore | hmm... compiled ok... |
| 04:46.36 | omoore | launched ok... |
| 04:46.48 | omoore | but only gives output as if no parameters were passed |
| 04:46.55 | omoore | ie.. prints usage all the time |
| 04:47.30 | omoore | ahh.. i prolly need the *.o files? |
| 04:47.44 | omoore | (since a make clean does a rm -f rawrec rawplay *.o) |
| 04:50.06 | omoore | nope |
| 04:50.45 | fliplap | The most important thing is to find out what is the most important thing. Shunryu Suzuki |
| 04:56.22 | m_0f | beginner's mind in the house! |
| 04:57.55 | fliplap | so you see many possibilities? |
| 04:58.21 | m_0f | hell yeah! |
| 04:59.53 | fliplap | have you actually read Zen Mind? |
| 05:00.24 | fliplap | Zen Mind, Beginners Mind that is |
| 05:01.19 | m_0f | its about two feet away from me right now |
| 05:01.56 | fliplap | heh, i haven't actually read it yet. I'm not buddhist either, i am however going to go watch The Man Show |
| 05:03.09 | m_0f | heh |
| 05:03.37 | omoore | ljp: hmm.. even when i compile *for* the desktop rawrec just display's usage.. maybe i goofed the Makefile, will start over |
| 05:05.18 | omoore | hmm.. it works if i do a normal make install.. but if i direct to alternate location, it fails.. so it is me doing somethign wrong |
| 05:10.04 | omoore | ljp: got it working |
| 05:10.36 | omoore | ljp: you are da man! (or woman) |
| 05:10.53 | omoore | ljp: rawrec/rawplay rocks my world now.. woo hoo |
| 05:11.24 | omoore | ljp: sweet.. it's gpl too |
| 05:12.09 | omoore | freaking awsome... |
| 05:12.21 | omoore | ljp: this needs to be packaged into an ipk |
| 05:12.33 | omoore | ljp: i think i'll do that with the author's permission |
| 05:14.55 | ljp | groovey |
| 05:15.16 | ljp | btw, I wrote opierec. ;) |
| 05:15.22 | treke|home | it's gpl, you dont need the authors permission to build it for arm and package it into ipks :) |
| 05:18.19 | omoore | ljp: will opierec work with sharp rom tho? it won't right? |
| 05:18.36 | omoore | treke|home: i'll "just do it" then |
| 05:19.18 | ljp | it should, yes |
| 05:21.49 | fdask | ljp, u wrote it? |
| 05:21.50 | fdask | :o |
| 05:21.51 | fdask | cool |
| 05:22.15 | fdask | why does it complain about needing libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 05:22.22 | omoore | ljp: does it have a command-line-only interface? |
| 05:22.51 | fdask | i linked the libstdc++-libc6-1-2.so.3 i had on my zaurus, and got opierec to load... but it just hangs when i go to record |
| 05:22.52 | omoore | i'd rather use something with more active zaurus maintenance/development |
| 05:23.40 | omoore | also.. anyone know of a mirror or where i can get this...http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=798 |
| 05:23.45 | omoore | the link is timing out |
| 05:23.52 | omoore | (the link on the noted page) |
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| 07:27.45 | fdask | anyone do dev on the Z using python? |
| 07:28.06 | fdask | or more specifically, what options are available for GUI dev on the zaurus using python? |
| 07:28.12 | fdask | pyqt? |
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| 11:40.08 | galvatr0n | does anyone know of any good free zaurus software sites? |
| 11:40.22 | fdask | www.killefiz.de/zaurus/ |
| 11:40.57 | galvatr0n | i know of that one just wondering if theres any other good sites |
| 11:41.11 | galvatr0n | im trying to look for a divx player |
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| 14:00.04 | nwheeler | Is anyone planning to port AbiWord for the Z? ^.^ |
| 14:00.46 | yeiazel | :) |
| 14:01.43 | phoen][x | why abiword when there is openoffice.org? |
| 14:02.10 | yeiazel | OOo sucks |
| 14:02.40 | phoen][x | OOo on the z would be fun. especially when it comes to starting it. |
| 14:02.58 | nwheeler | OOo would take lots of resources |
| 14:03.05 | nwheeler | AbiWord would rock on the Z. |
| 14:03.48 | phoen][x | it crashes when i hit 'print'. kinda lame for a word-processor |
| 14:08.15 | nwheeler | Did you set it up right? ^.^ |
| 14:08.32 | phoen][x | well, i installed it and ran it |
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| 14:09.41 | galvatr0n | can someone send me tkcvideo or dr. z video |
| 14:10.01 | nwheeler | Is tkcvideo free? |
| 14:10.26 | phoen][x | no |
| 14:10.31 | phoen][x | dr.z either |
| 14:10.36 | nwheeler | Why would you -want- it then? =^.^= |
| 14:11.20 | phoen][x | one might guess that he wants it for video playing |
| 14:11.32 | galvatr0n | i need a divx player |
| 14:12.57 | nwheeler | hmm |
| 14:13.07 | nwheeler | opiemedia ^2 something works |
| 14:13.15 | nwheeler | something along those lines.... |
| 14:13.28 | phoen][x | mplayer aint bad either |
| 14:13.33 | galvatr0n | can i get it for qtopia |
| 14:13.53 | phoen][x | yes. ask google about it |
| 14:14.03 | galvatr0n | i tried mplayer i didnt like it at all and it wouldnt play divx |
| 14:14.55 | galvatr0n | could u send me tkcvideo please man |
| 14:15.06 | phoen][x | this aint no warez channel |
| 14:15.15 | phoen][x | buy it |
| 14:15.42 | phoen][x | besides, i dont have it. i came to the conclusion that i didnt want to view divx on that tiny screen. |
| 14:16.31 | galvatr0n | do u know of any zaurus warez sites man |
| 14:16.46 | phoen][x | *plonk* |
| 14:16.50 | amnesia | lol |
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| 14:17.37 | phoen][x | wb bach |
| 14:18.17 | bach | phoen][x: thanks |
| 14:19.20 | phoen][x | ImPS/2 ? |
| 14:19.48 | bach | yes that is the closest one |
| 14:19.50 | bach | but it works strange |
| 14:20.02 | bach | i.e. doesn't follow the right direction |
| 14:20.33 | phoen][x | uh |
| 14:45.30 | fdask | anyone else with a wifi card notice a slight, (and sometimes not so slight) screen flicker when the card is plugged in?? |
| 14:45.50 | treke | yes |
| 14:46.02 | Twiun | power surge? |
| 14:46.04 | fdask | whats the cause of that? the large power draw? the heat? |
| 14:46.18 | treke | unless you mean while the card is plugged in and in use and not just when it is inserted |
| 14:46.32 | fdask | plugged in, and in use. |
| 14:46.41 | treke | ah. cant help you ther |
| 14:46.51 | fdask | damn |
| 14:47.05 | fdask | my original sharp power supply went bad a few weeks back |
| 14:47.12 | fdask | started putting out some dirty (noisy as hell) power |
| 14:47.18 | fdask | didn't notice and ran the Z off it for awhile |
| 14:47.23 | fdask | i think i might have done some damage |
| 14:48.00 | fdask | this wifi card thing tho... its not a complete flicker... just some crazy extreme moire effects n stuff |
| 14:48.19 | fdask | bah |
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| 16:11.35 | kergoth | hey warmi, tux_mike |
| 16:11.49 | tux_mike | hey kergoth |
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| 17:51.21 | pedro | hi, some ideas about www shop who sold zaurus outside the usa |
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| 17:55.48 | toolafial | :) |
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| 18:11.28 | Neo|Work | ok, so wtf isn't cvs.zaurus.com working? |
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| 18:20.12 | toolafial | maybe it's you |
| 18:20.21 | toolafial | not cvs.zaurus.com |
| 18:22.26 | Neo|Work | hardly |
| 18:22.47 | Neo|Work | the site doesn't resolv in DNS |
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| 18:52.24 | galvatr0n | i have a 5600 and am trying to use gnuboy but the A button doesnt seem to work what can i do? |
| 18:52.47 | ljp_laptop | might try chanting 'great googli-moogli' |
| 18:53.07 | kergoth | galvatr0n: do you have a goat? |
| 18:53.30 | phoen][x | last time he came here, he was searching for warez, so i wont answer |
| 18:53.36 | phoen][x | kergoth: heyas |
| 18:53.43 | kergoth | hey |
| 18:53.46 | galvatr0n | no would u advise buying one though to solve this problem |
| 18:54.06 | treke | a goat always helps |
| 18:55.09 | galvatr0n | :) |
| 18:55.43 | phoen][x | the best thing about sharp-3.1 is that the qtmail thingy is finally useful |
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| 18:56.14 | phoen][x | 500 mails and it's fast as hell |
| 18:56.41 | galvatr0n | am i able to change the controls somehow |
| 18:57.11 | pedro | hi, i need some information about internet shops who sold zaurus international. |
| 18:57.48 | phoen][x | pedro: when you're from germany take a look at guenstiger.de |
| 18:58.14 | pedro | well, google or froogle it's funny but .. |
| 18:59.08 | pedro | the prices in europe are tooooooo expensives and people bought at eBay with prices too high |
| 18:59.56 | galvatr0n | is there any way to get the Abutton working on gunboy on a 5600 |
| 19:01.48 | pedro | 333 ¤ it's high plus shipping cost... it's a guenstinger.de price. |
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| 19:08.58 | jshare | ok |
| 19:09.06 | jshare | grr |
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| 19:11.12 | zonyl | ibot oz todo |
| 19:11.12 | | somebody said oz todo was http://openembedded.org/phpwiki/index.php/OzTODO |
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| 19:24.54 | zonyl | Is the OZ kernel working well on the C700? (keyboard / apm / wireless / etc)? |
| 19:25.38 | zonyl | or does it just use the kernel source from sharp? |
| 19:25.39 | kergoth | we're using the same sources as sharp |
| 19:25.43 | kergoth | just patch it to hell |
| 19:25.45 | kergoth | it works fine |
| 19:26.25 | zonyl | So like wireless tools and such are all working with OZ then? |
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| 19:26.32 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:26.35 | zonyl | awesome |
| 19:26.37 | kergoth | wireless works quite well |
| 19:27.17 | zonyl | Ill have to try it out. I have debian root on it currently, but done like the "detached" system when dealing with WiFi and such. |
| 19:28.37 | zonyl | kergoth: Did you move to texas yet? |
| 19:28.55 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:28.58 | kergoth | its hot. |
| 19:29.57 | zonyl | Yah, I live in WI and have been to TX a couple of times. Dont care for dry heat much :) |
| 19:30.15 | kergoth | tx isnt a dry heat |
| 19:30.23 | kergoth | its a humid, unpleasant heat |
| 19:30.24 | kergoth | :\ |
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| 19:31.49 | zonyl | What part are you living in? |
| 19:32.11 | kergoth | dallas. I hear houston is worse though |
| 19:32.18 | kergoth | I dont mind it overall, I'm sure i'll adapt |
| 19:32.21 | kergoth | the traffic here blows too. |
| 19:33.19 | ljp_laptop | you mean the road construction |
| 19:33.32 | zonyl | Oh.. I have visited San Antonio and it seemed pretty desert like there. |
| 19:33.42 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: that too :) |
| 19:33.53 | kergoth | zonyl: ah that could be, havent been many places around here yet |
| 19:34.38 | zonyl | Your happy with your new job thought I take it. :) |
| 19:34.45 | zonyl | s/thought/though |
| 19:35.03 | kergoth | yup |
| 19:35.17 | ljp_laptop | he does the same damn thing all day and makes money |
| 19:35.25 | ljp_laptop | bastard |
| 19:35.29 | ljp_laptop | :D |
| 19:35.37 | zonyl | What toolchain should I use to compile the OZ for the c700? |
| 19:35.48 | zonyl | I had gcc 3.2 working a while back. |
| 19:36.07 | kergoth | you'll probably want two. i'd say build it with gcc3 unless you want their binary opera or netfront or what have you to work |
| 19:36.18 | kergoth | kernel should be built with gcc2 regardless of what you build the rest of the system with |
| 19:37.10 | zonyl | I thought 3.2x had some fairly important bug fixes for Xscale. or did these get backported to 2.x then? |
| 19:37.31 | ljp_laptop | I think it does |
| 19:37.49 | tux_mike | was there a way to use kdevelop for QTe apps? |
| 19:37.52 | ljp_laptop | but if you need bc with sharp rom apps, then use 2.95 |
| 19:39.09 | zonyl | Dont ever use the sharp pim apps. Planning on just getting OZ on it without OPIE and just using Fbvnc for the X apps that I am working on. |
| 19:39.45 | kergoth | then go gcc3 |
| 19:40.48 | zonyl | is there an endorsed gcc3 toolchain howto somewhere. Mine might still work, but it has been over a couple of months since I was working with klaus on debian. |
| 19:41.02 | kergoth | personally, i use the oz buildsystem |
| 19:41.12 | kergoth | to build them, that is |
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| 20:16.51 | toolafial | it's pretty darn hot here in Las Vegas |
| 20:17.10 | kergoth | indeed |
| 20:17.17 | toolafial | kergoth: are you still working for digi? |
| 20:17.31 | kergoth | nope, TI (see oz news page) |
| 20:17.40 | toolafial | k |
| 20:18.14 | toolafial | I guess that would explain the move to tx |
| 20:18.40 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:19.08 | toolafial | I'm trying to move out of support too, but I just can't get into any programming fields |
| 20:19.33 | toolafial | plus everyone here in LV wants you to have 10+ yrs of experience |
| 20:20.17 | kergoth | particularly in this market, companies know they can afford to be more picky, more folks competing for positions |
| 20:20.30 | toolafial | yup |
| 20:20.46 | toolafial | and there are only a few Linux/Unix shops here |
| 20:20.57 | toolafial | most are win shops |
| 20:21.19 | toolafial | oh well I suppose it's time to start parking cars and busing tables |
| 20:22.05 | zonyl | Landscaping is a good business to be in now :) |
| 20:22.42 | toolafial | not with the drought here |
| 20:22.49 | toolafial | unless I like spreading rocks |
| 20:23.20 | toolafial | might start a pet sitting buisness, that way I can look after all the stripper's dogs |
| 20:31.14 | zonyl | hehe |
| 20:31.39 | zonyl | My neighbor has a landscaping business and said he cleared over 90K these last two months.. |
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| 20:31.59 | zonyl | Has a nice tan and all sorts of cool Bobcat toys. |
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| 21:06.48 | MaxLan_Z | Hi |
| 21:08.50 | ljp_laptop | yo |
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| 21:21.35 | MaxLan_Z | I'm new on this chat and I have a question. |
| 21:23.37 | ljp_laptop | ok. shhot |
| 21:23.40 | MaxLan_Z | I want bay new 5600 on store PC Connect bat the suppurt want a RMA for the product |
| 21:23.44 | ljp_laptop | shoot |
| 21:24.41 | MaxLan_Z | What know how I can have the RMA |
| 21:24.53 | kergoth | uh |
| 21:24.57 | kergoth | you call the people you bought it from |
| 21:25.00 | kergoth | nobody here can help you |
| 21:25.46 | MaxLan_Z | where I can search this information |
| 21:25.54 | kergoth | i told you |
| 21:25.55 | ljp_laptop | an rma is for returning stuff thats defective |
| 21:26.00 | kergoth | from pc connect |
| 21:26.34 | ljp_laptop | ya, email or call pcconnect. they are fairly good at returns and stuff |
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| 21:32.25 | MaxLan_Z | Ok. Thank you |
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