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| 00:06.42 | zar | hy all |
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| 00:56.47 | bach | how to check if the port xx is available? |
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| 01:04.51 | bach | how to set qtmail so that it can retireve the mail? |
| 01:04.56 | bach | it doesn't seem to work |
| 01:07.31 | bach | but i can do telnet hostname 110 |
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| 04:59.49 | Stryker | Evening.. |
| 05:00.57 | fishy842 | night :P |
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| 06:29.20 | Jumpkick_ | how do I fsck my OZ install? |
| 06:31.26 | fliplap | you shouldn't have to fsck it |
| 06:31.51 | Jumpkick_ | when it crashes and I have to soft reset it |
| 06:32.06 | Jumpkick_ | I thought it does not do a clean unmount |
| 06:32.22 | fliplap | it doesn't, but you still shouldn't have to fsck it |
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| 07:15.46 | TCMAN | hi all |
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| 07:42.03 | GreyL | anyone heard of anyone porting an xserver to qtopia? |
| 07:42.49 | GreyL | ibot hello |
| 07:42.49 | | privet, greyl |
| 07:42.57 | GreyL | ibot any action tonight |
| 07:42.58 | | GreyL: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 07:43.24 | GreyL | ibot well action is when two entities meat and theres this connection and ... |
| 07:43.24 | | okay, GreyL |
| 07:43.32 | GreyL | ibot im bored |
| 07:43.33 | | GreyL: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 07:43.51 | GreyL | ibot beer |
| 07:43.52 | | from memory, beer is ummm, ummm good! |
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| 07:45.07 | GreyL | ibot X11 |
| 07:45.09 | | GreyL: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 07:45.45 | GreyL | ibot openzaurus |
| 07:45.46 | | openzaurus is, like, an alternative linux distribution for the Sharp SL-5[50]00[dg]{0,1} PDA. See http://www.openzaurus.org/. Also ask me about oz faq, oz feed, oz bk, oz release, or oz prerelease. And dont forget to /join #openzaurus. |
| 07:46.35 | GreyL | ibot why does everyone go to sleep at night? |
| 07:46.35 | | GreyL: i don't know |
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| 11:20.41 | galvatr0n | does anyone know where i can get a free divx player for the Z |
| 11:23.54 | galvatr0n | or codecs for the Qt media player |
| 11:35.37 | galvatr0n | i want to be able to play divx movies on my Z but cant find a player |
| 11:36.03 | yeiazel | I'm using mplayer |
| 11:37.11 | galvatr0n | is that the command line media player |
| 11:37.40 | yeiazel | yes |
| 11:38.14 | galvatr0n | is there any other players that support divx |
| 11:38.19 | yeiazel | yes |
| 11:38.27 | yeiazel | all of them :) |
| 11:39.33 | galvatr0n | what including the standard mediaplayer that comes with the Z |
| 11:39.41 | yeiazel | I think so |
| 11:39.51 | yeiazel | with the right libraries... |
| 11:40.22 | galvatr0n | is there a tutorial anywhere |
| 11:40.32 | yeiazel | dunno |
| 11:42.11 | galvatr0n | what is mplayer shell is that a gui for mplayer or not |
| 11:42.18 | yeiazel | dunno |
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| 12:00.30 | galvatr0n | how do i play divx from the command line with mplayer cause it doesnt seem to work with the shell, or do i need some codecs |
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| 12:04.35 | fdask | hi |
| 12:10.29 | galvatr0n | mplayer doesnt seem to play anything man i tried avi and mpeg |
| 12:11.59 | fdask | did u downformat them |
| 12:12.07 | fdask | what type of avis and mpegs are u trying |
| 12:12.41 | galvatr0n | yeah the mpeg is trying to work but not very succesful im using the mplayer shell |
| 12:13.41 | galvatr0n | can someone send me tkcvideo please |
| 12:14.09 | ljp_laptop | no |
| 12:14.26 | fdask | hehe |
| 12:14.39 | galvatr0n | is there ant way to play divx with the standard mediaplayer that comes with Z |
| 12:14.39 | fdask | galvatr0n, tkcvideo isn't free. |
| 12:14.47 | ljp_laptop | go buy it if you want it so bad |
| 12:15.11 | ljp_laptop | dont think the sharp rom does eivx |
| 12:15.17 | ljp_laptop | divx |
| 12:15.21 | ljp_laptop | opieplayer2 can |
| 12:15.38 | galvatr0n | but can i not install a codec for the standard mediaplayer to use |
| 12:16.18 | fdask | i think system performance is the main issue, not if the software is available... |
| 12:16.22 | ljp_laptop | yes, but it hasnt been written |
| 12:17.20 | galvatr0n | but the mpeg works fine in mediaplayer but doesnt do much in mplayer |
| 12:18.26 | ljp_laptop | then dont uwe mplayer |
| 12:18.26 | ljp_laptop | use |
| 12:19.06 | galvatr0n | does opieplayer work on Qtopia |
| 12:20.23 | ljp_laptop | dunno |
| 12:21.19 | ljp_laptop | might be an opieplayer2 for sharp rom somewhere |
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| 13:53.37 | aTypical | hello all. |
| 13:53.57 | fdask | hi aTyp |
| 13:54.42 | aTypical | anything new in the world of Zaurus |
| 13:54.55 | aTypical | ? |
| 13:55.12 | fdask | not for me |
| 13:55.35 | fdask | i need to get an xml validator on mine tho |
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| 13:55.51 | George- | egads, I nearly broke my just-got-back-from-repair laptop |
| 13:55.57 | George- | >.< |
| 13:56.22 | ljp_laptop | hahahaha |
| 13:57.00 | George- | I nearly broke the flexi cable that went from the HDD to the motherboard |
| 13:57.01 | George- | ugh |
| 13:57.23 | aTypical | stop touching things |
| 13:57.23 | George- | ibot change 49 USD to GBP |
| 13:57.23 | ljp_laptop | what were you doing with the case opened? |
| 13:57.32 | George- | ljp_laptop: replacing the hdd |
| 13:57.48 | George- | ljp_laptop: I swapped out the old HDD with a 3.2GB one for repair |
| 13:58.01 | George- | cause I couldn't be bothered to back it all up. |
| 14:00.20 | ljp_laptop | lazy ass |
| 14:00.24 | ljp_laptop | :) |
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| 15:38.49 | phoen][x | ciaolinux: run 'qtmail' from the console? |
| 15:38.56 | phoen][x | ~lart ibot |
| 15:39.06 | ciaolinux | phoen][x: same thing |
| 15:39.08 | ciaolinux | it works |
| 15:39.13 | ciaolinux | but no info |
| 15:39.20 | ciaolinux | i mean it starts |
| 15:39.29 | phoen][x | ciaolinux: hmm. so you added your account did you not? |
| 15:39.37 | ciaolinux | yes |
| 15:39.52 | ciaolinux | then when i try to get the mail, it says "start connecting" |
| 15:39.55 | ciaolinux | and nothing happens |
| 15:39.58 | phoen][x | ciaolinux: and the server is reachable? |
| 15:40.17 | ciaolinux | yes |
| 15:40.27 | ciaolinux | i can do telnet nameserver 110 for istance |
| 15:40.33 | phoen][x | good |
| 15:40.55 | ciaolinux | not really |
| 15:40.57 | phoen][x | 'telnet nameserver 143' and try to get the mail :) |
| 15:41.10 | phoen][x | just see if it works |
| 15:41.12 | ciaolinux | it is exactly like when i try with no connection |
| 15:41.33 | ciaolinux | unable to connect |
| 15:41.42 | phoen][x | unable to connect? |
| 15:41.45 | ciaolinux | but that is also if i do it in the server itself |
| 15:41.51 | phoen][x | well, there is no imap server on the server then |
| 15:41.53 | ciaolinux | with that port yes |
| 15:42.05 | ciaolinux | i am trying to use po |
| 15:42.15 | phoen][x | oh |
| 15:42.26 | phoen][x | well, 110 sounds reasonable then |
| 15:42.41 | ciaolinux | if it worked yes |
| 15:42.54 | phoen][x | are you able to read mails with 'telnet nameserver 110' then? |
| 15:44.00 | ciaolinux | how to read mail using that? |
| 15:44.02 | phoen][x | no, i dont have a clue how the pop protocol looks like. yes, i would google for 'rfc pop3' |
| 15:44.05 | phoen][x | :) |
| 15:44.11 | ciaolinux | anyway with the linux pc i can |
| 15:44.30 | phoen][x | maybe you are not in /etc/hosts.allow or something |
| 15:45.31 | ciaolinux | in that case i wouldn't be able to download mail from the pc, would I? |
| 15:45.51 | phoen][x | well it works like this |
| 15:45.58 | phoen][x | user <username> |
| 15:46.01 | phoen][x | pass <password> |
| 15:46.02 | phoen][x | list |
| 15:46.18 | ciaolinux | yes it works |
| 15:46.25 | phoen][x | from the zaurus console? |
| 15:46.48 | ciaolinux | yup |
| 15:47.09 | phoen][x | okay, so your qtmail is borked indeed |
| 15:47.30 | phoen][x | verify server ip address, port, protocol, username, password |
| 15:47.39 | ciaolinux | indeed |
| 15:47.56 | ciaolinux | i checked that few times |
| 15:48.28 | phoen][x | contact sharp support then :/ |
| 15:48.29 | ciaolinux | weird, isn't it? |
| 15:48.40 | phoen][x | it worked ootb here |
| 15:48.46 | ciaolinux | yes so that i can receive the answer when i retire! :-) |
| 15:49.12 | ciaolinux | maybe the reason is because u use imap |
| 15:49.50 | phoen][x | could be |
| 15:49.58 | ciaolinux | weird though |
| 15:51.59 | phoen][x | true true. i didnt test a pop3 account yet |
| 15:52.11 | phoen][x | imap is more l33t, ya know ;) |
| 15:52.33 | phoen][x | the problem is that it (qtmail) cant connect to imap-ssl |
| 15:52.45 | phoen][x | and wep is not safe too |
| 15:53.10 | ciaolinux | 113t? |
| 15:53.21 | ciaolinux | i am not using wep |
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| 15:53.32 | ciaolinux | s/113/133 |
| 15:54.10 | phoen][x | sorry, irc addict |
| 15:54.21 | phoen][x | l33t = leet = eleet = elite |
| 15:54.55 | ciaolinux | sure... |
| 15:54.59 | sashz | hi, try new Qtopia 1.6.1 Hybrid ROM http://www.cacko.biz/hybrid.html ;-) |
| 15:55.12 | phoen][x | is it better than sharp-3.1? |
| 15:55.23 | ciaolinux | actually that is what i have now |
| 15:55.31 | ciaolinux | sashz: it works fine |
| 15:55.46 | sashz | 1.6.1? :) |
| 15:55.47 | ciaolinux | sashz: how are u related to that |
| 15:55.51 | phoen][x | oh, maybe thats the problem? |
| 15:56.07 | George- | bleh |
| 15:56.09 | ciaolinux | phoen][x: no didn't work also with the sharp rom |
| 15:56.11 | sashz | ciaolinux what u mean? |
| 15:56.14 | George- | I SNEAK PAST TO... Oh fuck it. |
| 15:56.20 | TheMasterMind1 | sashz: hmm, what is this? |
| 15:56.34 | sashz | Qtpia 1.6.1 on jffs2 ;) |
| 15:56.35 | phoen][x | George-: oh shut up |
| 15:56.37 | ciaolinux | phoen][x: and anyway since telnet works, it is still a problem with qtmail imhp |
| 15:56.45 | ciaolinux | sashz: do u develo it? |
| 15:56.51 | George- | :) |
| 15:56.51 | sashz | yes |
| 15:57.01 | TheMasterMind1 | sashz: why not use opie? |
| 15:57.02 | sashz | added some code in 1.6.1 sources ;) |
| 15:57.08 | phoen][x | ciaolinux: true. maybe somethin qtmail related got borked. |
| 15:57.09 | sashz | me unlike opie |
| 15:57.11 | sashz | ;) |
| 15:57.18 | sashz | i use it on ipaq 3630 |
| 15:57.28 | phoen][x | i like the new sharprom |
| 15:57.28 | sashz | easy for kill |
| 15:57.36 | ciaolinux | sashz: i downloaded hybrid few days ago (maybe 2)... |
| 15:57.42 | phoen][x | but its a pain that it doesnt use xml files for addresses. etc |
| 15:57.43 | ciaolinux | sashz: is there a clean way to upgrade it |
| 15:57.56 | TheMasterMind1 | sashz: easy for kill? |
| 15:57.59 | kergoth | sashz: you do realize you could add qtopia 1.6 to the OZ buildsystem, and it'd build it all from sources and produce an OZ jffs2 image with it. |
| 15:58.07 | kergoth | sashz: doing so manually is pointless. |
| 15:58.15 | sashz | for upgrade simply replace packages with qtopia |
| 15:58.26 | phoen][x | TheMasterMind1: you guys strike back with oz and nobody will touch sharp-3.1 nemore :) |
| 15:58.48 | sashz | kergoth - hybrid base system on cramfs, so you cant kill it |
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| 15:59.05 | kergoth | sashz: so alter our image creation to support an altered flash partitioning. |
| 15:59.05 | sashz | in jffs2 user apps |
| 15:59.06 | ciao_linux | sashz: do u know what is qeserver? |
| 15:59.10 | sashz | and documents |
| 15:59.29 | sashz | qeserver in 3.10 ROM? |
| 15:59.34 | kergoth | sashz: the point is, we have an existing build infrastructure which is flexible enough to do all the work for you. |
| 15:59.44 | ciao_linux | sashz: for some reason when i do it is stopping to make me umount the cf card in a clean way |
| 16:00.25 | sashz | kergorh - i know, i see it, but how i can add qtopia 1.6.1 in your buildsystem? |
| 16:00.33 | kergoth | sashz: read docs/DEVEL |
| 16:00.38 | sashz | :) |
| 16:00.39 | kergoth | sashz: which is a howto on adding something to the buildsystem |
| 16:00.42 | sashz | yes ;) |
| 16:03.33 | George- | kergoth: they finally managed to fix my computer! |
| 16:03.43 | George- | kergoth: After 14 weeks in repair :) |
| 16:03.56 | George- | or is it 15+ |
| 16:03.57 | George- | ? |
| 16:04.18 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:05.10 | phoen][x | George-: never. it'll break soon. :) |
| 16:06.40 | George- | was there ever any doubt? |
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| 16:10.36 | chouimat | hi |
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| 16:12.04 | sashz | <kergoth> i added 2 partitions in my kernel and rom: mtd4 - cramfs mtd5 - jffs2 |
| 16:13.47 | sashz | kernel 2.4.18 - i added support for collie flash chips |
| 16:13.50 | George- | hi chouimat |
| 16:14.00 | George- | kergoth: any news on 2.4.18? |
| 16:14.03 | George- | er.. 2.4.19 |
| 16:17.03 | chouimat | hi George- |
| 16:19.23 | George- | yo chouimat |
| 16:20.11 | TheMasterMind1 | sashz: you compiled the .18 sources to make a kernel for the 5x00? |
| 16:20.25 | sashz | yes |
| 16:20.46 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, good. i'll probably need to ask you a few questions then |
| 16:21.11 | sashz | ok |
| 16:21.39 | TheMasterMind1 | sashz: do you have the .config file you used? |
| 16:22.51 | sashz | yes, of course |
| 16:22.57 | sashz | for sl5000 and sl5500 |
| 16:25.13 | TheMasterMind1 | are they online anywhere |
| 16:25.16 | TheMasterMind1 | or could you email them to me |
| 16:25.22 | TheMasterMind1 | oz@themastermind1.net |
| 16:26.08 | kergoth | sashz: want to add support to OZ for a split structure, and maintain the Qtopia packages? its a common request, and then we can merge our efforts. |
| 16:26.37 | sashz | ok, wait plz i will put configs and my patch for 2.4.18 (for hybrid kernel) if you need it |
| 16:26.48 | TheMasterMind1 | sashz: that'd be great. |
| 16:27.38 | sashz | kergoth - yes |
| 16:28.03 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: our filesystem structure doesnt facilitate the linking necessary for a hybrid structure as things stand, so dont use his flash partitioning patch yet. get it functional in oz proper first. |
| 16:29.26 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yep, first step is to actually get the buildroot compiling the damn thing |
| 16:29.51 | sashz | http://www.cacko.biz/~sash/source/ |
| 16:29.58 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yep |
| 16:30.07 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: or, you could add a kernel .oe |
| 16:30.08 | sashz | there patches for my kernel and Qtopia free 1.6.1 |
| 16:30.19 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: :) |
| 16:30.26 | TheMasterMind1 | sashz: and the .config ? |
| 16:31.55 | sashz | apply patch to kernel 2.4.18 3.10 and in linux/ you will see 2 files - configs for 5000 and 5500 |
| 16:32.01 | sashz | but ok, now will put it |
| 16:32.27 | TheMasterMind1 | ah, ok thats fine |
| 16:32.33 | sashz | ok see there http://www.cacko.biz/~sash/source/ |
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| 16:36.18 | TheMasterMind1 | thanks |
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| 17:31.59 | noidd | quick question: how complete is the OZ support for the C760? |
| 17:32.10 | noidd | or C670 or whatever the hell the thing is calle d;-) |
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| 17:46.59 | Twiun | noidd: as complete as having a device to test it on? |
| 18:05.27 | noidd | I dont have a devoice to test it on yet :-0 |
| 18:05.33 | noidd | i'm considering the purchase |
| 18:10.29 | Twiun | iirc, TheMasterMind1 is going to be getting one, so support will get there ;) |
| 18:10.40 | TheMasterMind1 | i hope. |
| 18:10.41 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 18:10.45 | TheMasterMind1 | requires money |
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| 18:32.40 | Zxcvb | what would be necessary to get a zaurus rom (either openzaurus or sharp) running on an x86 system, other than an ARM CPU emulator? |
| 18:33.41 | TheMasterMind1 | you could just compile OZ for x86.. |
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| 18:35.21 | Zxcvb | yeah, but then you wouldn't have the feeds |
| 18:35.31 | Zxcvb | besides, qemu now supports arm on x86, and even x86 on arm |
| 18:38.39 | lon | I just run VNC to my zaurus if I want it on my desktop. |
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| 18:49.12 | George- | 760 :P |
| 18:49.14 | George- | kergoth: you're a judge for this sharp giveaway? |
| 18:49.16 | George- | holy shit! |
| 18:49.18 | George- | my html editor has sold another 2 copies :) |
| 18:49.20 | George- | a bit of kernel hackery |
| 18:49.22 | George- | Zxcvb: take a look at the Psimulator |
| 18:49.23 | George- | Zxcvb: like I said, take a look at the Psimulator. |
| 18:49.25 | George- | that's what we did to debug Psion stuff as if it was running on the Psion on x86 machines. |
| 18:50.40 | chouimat|pack | George-: url? |
| 18:55.06 | Neo|Work | oh, I should upload my source shouldn't I? |
| 18:55.27 | Neo|Work | a bit late |
| 18:55.28 | Neo|Work | doh |
| 18:58.49 | Neo|Work | oh |
| 18:58.55 | Neo|Work | where is cvs.zaurus.com? |
| 19:02.54 | Neo|Work | wait, no, deadline extended. :-) |
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| 19:06.40 | George- | Neo|Work: how's Snails? |
| 19:13.17 | Neo|Work | George-: slimy? |
| 19:13.28 | George- | Neo|Work: heh |
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| 19:30.39 | mutexer | warmi: you here? |
| 19:31.00 | mutexer | Neo|Work: know any MFC? |
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| 19:39.12 | Neo|Work | mutexer: not really, ported some stuff from it but nothing really |
| 19:39.29 | ljp_laptop | I used to know mfc |
| 19:39.33 | ljp_laptop | try not too |
| 19:39.51 | mutexer | Im trying to write a level editor.. it seems MFC doesnt know how to draw images to the screen unless you have Visual C++ .NET |
| 19:40.10 | mutexer | (although it uses ATL then.. not really MFC) |
| 19:44.36 | mutexer | I was wondering if I could use Gapidraw to render my map area inside my MFC SDI app |
| 19:44.51 | mutexer | I dont guess youd know? |
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| 21:12.00 | kybu | hi |
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| 21:57.16 | treke | afternoon kybu |
| 21:58.12 | George- | argh, it's treke. |
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| 22:07.26 | Zxcvb | what would a 40MHz ARM/zaurus be equivelant to in the x86 world? |
| 22:07.29 | Zxcvb | a 486/33, a 386/16? |
| 22:07.56 | George- | probably a Pentium 1 75Mhz |
| 22:08.00 | George- | maybe a bit better |
| 22:08.21 | Zxcvb | ah, the x86 emulator, qemu has basic arm support |
| 22:08.25 | Zxcvb | but it runs 1/5 native |
| 22:08.29 | George- | vendor release number: 40299002 |
| 22:08.29 | George- | XFree86 version: 4.2.99.2 |
| 22:08.30 | George- | wtf |
| 22:08.52 | Zxcvb | so the x86 version of gzip, for example, will run at 1/5 the speed of gzip compiled for the zaurus |
| 22:09.02 | Zxcvb | 200/5 = 40, so 40MHz arm |
| 22:09.34 | Zxcvb | starcraft on the zaurus without remote display, cool |
| 22:09.41 | George- | you freak :) |
| 22:09.55 | George- | starcraft ran exceptionally well on a cyrix 200MHz |
| 22:09.59 | George- | running RH 6.1 |
| 22:10.03 | Zxcvb | George-: or even ms office 4.2 under caldera's wabi |
| 22:10.05 | George- | (faster than it did on Win98) |
| 22:10.19 | George- | iirc, the cyrix 200 didn't even have a coprocessor :) |
| 22:10.22 | Zxcvb | George-: the CPU emulation will reduce the effective speed of the zaurus to a 40MHz ARM |
| 22:10.42 | George- | I know |
| 22:10.55 | George- | I'm just saying my experiences with running StarCraft on Linux before |
| 22:11.05 | mewyn | be careful with any caldera (now sco) code |
| 22:11.08 | Zxcvb | how would starcraft be on a pentium 75? |
| 22:11.33 | Zxcvb | mewyn: it's sun and caldera |
| 22:11.35 | treke | it would probably work, but a pentium 75 can do floating point in hardware |
| 22:11.42 | Zxcvb | mewyn: caldera ported sun's wabi 2.2 to linux |
| 22:12.04 | Zxcvb | does starcraft require a FPU> |
| 22:12.41 | treke | I havent used anything slower than a p3 450 in years |
| 22:12.54 | Zxcvb | wine/wabi on the zaurus, nice |
| 22:13.19 | Zxcvb | treke: the x86 emulator will run at whatever the x86 equivelant of a 40MHz ARM would be |
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| 22:14.11 | treke | Zxcvb: as a worst case? |
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| 22:14.54 | Zxcvb | treke: in general, 1/5 native |
| 22:15.07 | treke | how did you come to that conclusion? |
| 22:15.39 | Zxcvb | treke: they tested gzip on the power pc |
| 22:16.09 | Zxcvb | treke: and apparently ARM should be fairly similar in total performance hit to the emu |
| 22:16.24 | treke | hopefully they tested more than gzip :p |
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| 22:17.18 | Zxcvb | treke: on the x86, they tested gzip, sha-1, and tcc |
| 22:17.27 | Zxcvb | treke: the hit is similar to valgrind |
| 22:17.36 | warmi | uh .. |
| 22:17.53 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 22:18.02 | warmi | I feel like crap |
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| 22:18.10 | warmi | everyone in the office is sick |
| 22:18.19 | warmi | hi mewyn |
| 22:20.12 | George- | warmi died! |
| 22:20.14 | George- | nooo!! |
| 22:21.42 | treke | Zxcvb: Another thing that may or may not be a problem is the lack of hardware graphics acceleration |
| 22:23.27 | Zxcvb | treke: no worse than an old 2mb s3 trio with no 3d card |
| 22:26.33 | George- | Zxcvb: you might be better off running basilisk and running the mac version of starcraft |
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| 22:51.18 | Neo|Work | starcraft on the Zaurus? hah. :P |
| 22:51.53 | ChipX86|Coding | gee, that couldn't pose any problems at all. Plenty of screen real-estate, and memory and speed would never be a factor |
| 22:52.13 | mewyn | lol |
| 22:53.04 | _Psycho_ | hmm starcraft in 640x480 not a bad idea |
| 22:53.08 | _Psycho_ | warcraft2 is more realist ;) |
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| 22:53.47 | ChipX86|Coding | there's always FreeCraft |
| 22:53.56 | ChipX86|Coding | at least it's a code base to work off of |
| 22:55.51 | cyn | man I remember playin sc w/ some dude who had a p90 |
| 22:56.10 | cyn | we always had to wait for him when the game started and the game itself had to run slower than we wanted while he computed cruft |
| 22:56.19 | cyn | maybe if you didn't do any carriers it might run okay :P |
| 22:59.34 | Neo|Work | ChipX86|Coding: if you have the code and actually could port it, and had the c750/760 devices, perhaps |
| 23:00.04 | ChipX86|Coding | perhaps.. |
| 23:00.36 | ChipX86|Coding | I'll stick to gaim. Less of a challenge perhaps, but more likely to happen any time soon |
| 23:02.39 | Neo|Work | gaim is just a pain since it's GTK |
| 23:02.45 | ChipX86|Coding | not for long |
| 23:02.53 | ChipX86|Coding | within 2 releases, I shoudl have the core/ui split finished |
| 23:02.59 | ChipX86|Coding | and then I'm starting on the qtopia UI |
| 23:04.09 | Neo|Work | has anyone actually managed to get to cvs.zaurus.com? It has no dns entry... |
| 23:04.12 | Neo|Work | for me at least |
| 23:05.39 | Neo|Work | just port GTK to QT. :-)) |
| 23:05.47 | cyn | Neo|Work: a c7x0 device - a c700 would work for porting too :P |
| 23:05.54 | Neo|Work | cyn: too slow |
| 23:05.54 | cyn | just would run worse |
| 23:06.03 | cyn | hah how is it too slow |
| 23:06.15 | cyn | for a port of freeccraft? |
| 23:06.18 | Neo|Work | it's a 400 MHz PXA-250 |
| 23:06.19 | Neo|Work | it sucks |
| 23:06.27 | cyn | it's the same speed with a crappy cache |
| 23:06.40 | Neo|Work | doh |
| 23:06.42 | Neo|Work | it's slow |
| 23:06.43 | ChipX86|Coding | Neo|Work: nah, the work on the split is going to allow for a native win32 UI, console gaim, qtopia gaim, and QT gaim |
| 23:06.47 | Neo|Work | same MHz, not the same speed |
| 23:07.00 | Neo|Work | ChipX86|Coding: I wasn't quite serious. :P |
| 23:07.09 | ChipX86|Coding | good ;) that'd be such a painful project |
| 23:07.22 | cyn | cache doesn't neccessarily affect speed, depends what ops yer doin |
| 23:07.34 | Neo|Work | it's slow |
| 23:07.36 | Neo|Work | trust me |
| 23:07.43 | cyn | I own one |
| 23:07.49 | cyn | it's ram not proc that's gayed it |
| 23:07.49 | Neo|Work | the PXA-255 is like at least 2x as fast |
| 23:07.56 | cyn | uh yeah |
| 23:07.59 | Neo|Work | the CPU _IS_ slow |
| 23:08.00 | cyn | bus speed is twice as much |
| 23:08.09 | Neo|Work | it's not buggy |
| 23:08.14 | cyn | heh |
| 23:08.21 | Neo|Work | the CPU has potential but it's not realized in the PXA-250 models, simply |
| 23:08.26 | Neo|Work | not Linux specific either |
| 23:08.31 | cyn | because its cache is disabled |
| 23:08.33 | cyn | because of a bug |
| 23:08.45 | cyn | and the bus speed is half the 255 |
| 23:08.49 | Neo|Work | I know |
| 23:08.51 | Neo|Work | and I know |
| 23:08.57 | Neo|Work | and thus, it's slow as hell |
| 23:09.16 | cyn | your terminology leaves generalizations i could fit the windows source code with libraries through |
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| 23:24.27 | Neo|Work | cyn: it's a fact that devices based on those XSCales are slow, no matter OS |
| 23:24.43 | Neo|Work | they are slower than the 206 MHz strongarm in just about any real application |
| 23:26.10 | cyn | yeah, well, I was hoping against hope it was just the ram |
| 23:26.26 | cyn | still suits my needs fine, I got it for the screen |
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