| 00:00.25 | kergoth | np |
| 00:03.52 | Grillo | kergoth: tell me, there are a terminal (like parrot on ipaq) for zaurus sl5000 ? |
| 00:04.14 | Grillo | thats because a friend wants to sold me one, but I think bootloader is bad |
| 00:06.28 | kergoth | Grillo: if the bootloader is bad, nothing can be done. |
| 00:06.32 | kergoth | Grillo: short of sending it back to sharp |
| 00:06.39 | kergoth | Grillo: the jtag information is not publically available |
| 00:09.49 | Grillo | kergoth: that's badwhat is jtag? The bootloader start to load a rom but never ends :( |
| 00:10.20 | kergoth | jtag is what lets you recover a 'bricked' device |
| 00:11.31 | Archaenis | I think I'm using ipkg wrong. I type a command and unless I specify --help, it doesn't give me any output back. |
| 00:12.05 | kergoth | paste an example of a ipkg command line you're running |
| 00:12.16 | Grillo | kergoth: Oh! I see |
| 00:12.26 | Grillo | kergoth: but jtag is a software? |
| 00:12.40 | kergoth | ibot: tell Grillo about jtag |
| 00:14.30 | Grillo | kergoth: thanx you I'm going here to help people when I will get my zaurus |
| 00:14.41 | kergoth | np |
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| 00:23.22 | Grillo | kergoth: and anyplace to get one cheap? |
| 00:24.12 | kergoth | tiger direct used to have a decent deal, but i dont know anymore |
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| 00:25.22 | lnxguy-Zaurus | howdy |
| 00:25.41 | Grillo | yep now they are out of stock, don't understand a thing, jtag is just a dongle or is the all the hardware? |
| 00:25.52 | kergoth | jtag is an interface |
| 00:26.09 | kergoth | people build jtag dongles or cables, which connect that interface on a device to a parallel port on a pc |
| 00:26.20 | kergoth | which you can then use for various things depending on the device in question |
| 00:26.30 | kergoth | in the case of a strongarm, ,about all you can do is write data into flash |
| 00:26.39 | kergoth | which is how you recover the bricked unit, you can write a new bootloader if the old one is hosed |
| 00:27.29 | lnxguy-Zaurus | any ideas why my ipkgs load but do not run? |
| 00:27.38 | Grillo | yeah, ok then I just need the jtag and thats all... |
| 00:28.07 | kergoth | Grillo: like i said, information on how to connect to the jtag pins on a Zaurus is not public information |
| 00:28.11 | kergoth | Grillo: sharp hasnt released it |
| 00:28.20 | kergoth | Grillo: so if its hosed, the only option is to send it in for repair |
| 00:28.56 | Grillo | kergoth: thanx for your patience, Now I full understand :) |
| 00:29.03 | kergoth | np |
| 00:29.12 | lnxguy-Zaurus | they are installed to /mnt/card and the output from the installer shows nothing that would keep the apps from running |
| 00:29.25 | kergoth | lnxguy-Zaurus: what rom? |
| 00:29.59 | lnxguy-Zaurus | OZ 40-wr |
| 00:30.06 | lnxguy-Zaurus | OZ 40-24 |
| 00:30.08 | kergoth | lnxguy-Zaurus: sounds like you installed it from the commandline |
| 00:30.18 | kergoth | lnxguy-Zaurus: if you do installs that way, you have to link them back to the rootfs with ipkg-link |
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| 00:30.26 | kergoth | lnxguy-Zaurus: either ipkg-link add packagename, or ipkg-link mount /mnt/card |
| 00:30.30 | kergoth | lnxguy-Zaurus: then restart opie |
| 00:31.12 | lnxguy-Zaurus | sounds like what I suspected... |
| 00:31.39 | kergoth | aqpkg creates all the symlinks back into the rootfs automatically |
| 00:32.09 | lnxguy-Zaurus | I used the AOPackage app |
| 00:32.30 | kergoth | then thats not your problem |
| 00:32.37 | Archaenis | I'm having trouble removing snes9x_1.3.9-3_arm from my Zaurus. ipkg_remove: //usr/lib/ipkg/info/snes9x.prerm: cannot create /usr/local/lib/X11/icewm/TEMP: permission denied |
| 00:33.05 | Archaenis | mv: overwrite '/usr/local/ib/X11/icewm/menu'? |
| 00:33.07 | kergoth | Archaenis: you're installing an ipk into the sharp rom, and sharp isnt letting you write to that location, i'd say |
| 00:33.10 | Archaenis | I type 'y' |
| 00:33.41 | Archaenis | kergoth: this is part of the UNinstall script. weird, huh? |
| 00:33.47 | lnxguy-Zaurus | I have plenty of /mnt/ram and a -arely-full 128MB SD card |
| 00:34.18 | Archaenis | mv: unable to rename '/usr/local/lib/X11/icewm/TEMP': No such file or directory |
| 00:34.31 | Archaenis | and finally, killall: icewm: no process killed. |
| 00:35.11 | kergoth | Archaenis: those messages arent necessarily harmful |
| 00:35.19 | kergoth | Archaenis: does it say that prerm script execution failed? |
| 00:35.27 | kergoth | Archaenis: if not, the package was uninstalled and they were harmless |
| 00:35.32 | lnxguy-Zaurus | I'll try a restart and see what happens... |
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| 00:35.50 | Archaenis | kergoth: the gui insists that the package is still installed. |
| 00:36.03 | Archaenis | also, the files are all still there. |
| 00:36.10 | kergoth | Archaenis: then edit the script |
| 00:36.20 | kergoth | Archaenis: /usr/lib/ipkg/info/snes9x.prerm |
| 00:37.52 | Archaenis | kergoth: any suggestions for a text editor? |
| 00:38.57 | Archaenis | darn, this thing doesn't have nano or pico. |
| 00:39.41 | kergoth | Archaenis: install nano |
| 00:39.46 | kergoth | Archaenis: or vim, or emacs, or .. |
| 00:39.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:39.50 | kergoth | killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 00:40.47 | Archaenis | elvis is an editor, right? |
| 00:42.04 | Archaenis | what a disgrace of an uninstall script! |
| 00:43.03 | Archaenis | could I just delete all the files it installed and then somehow tell ipkg that it's uninstalled? |
| 00:43.17 | Archaenis | manually? |
| 00:43.18 | kergoth | Archaenis: remove the .prerm |
| 00:43.23 | kergoth | Archaenis: :) |
| 00:43.26 | kergoth | then ipkg remove it |
| 00:43.27 | kergoth | heh |
| 00:43.48 | Archaenis | that's all it takes? or is this goona screw up the system? |
| 00:46.10 | Archaenis | rm: unable to remove snes9x.prerm: Permission denied. |
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| 01:03.53 | Archaenis | kergoth: that worked, thanks again! |
| 01:07.47 | kergoth | Archaenis: np |
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| 01:30.03 | doughecka | If you go out of your mind, do it quietly, so as not to disturb those around you. |
| 01:33.00 | nerdboy_ | doughecka: are you talkin' to me? |
| 01:33.13 | nerdboy_ | cause i already went there |
| 01:33.17 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:33.19 | doughecka | I didnt hear |
| 01:33.21 | nerdboy_ | and they ran out of beer... |
| 01:33.33 | doughecka | ouch |
| 01:33.43 | nerdboy_ | i don't recommend it |
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| 01:36.18 | doughecka | k |
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| 02:00.56 | omoore | ok. this is bizarre to me anyway... |
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| 02:01.11 | omoore | i ahve an application installed on a 5600 (or 3.x Sharp ROM on 5500)... |
| 02:01.33 | omoore | the application utilizes a script in which i use ps to get hte processid of a running process... |
| 02:01.37 | omoore | by doing this... |
| 02:01.58 | omoore | PROCESS_ID=`ps -A |grep shine |mawk '{print$1}'` |
| 02:02.12 | omoore | if i run the command from the command line, it works greaty |
| 02:02.19 | omoore | if i launch the application from the icon... |
| 02:02.24 | omoore | ps returns nothing |
| 02:02.33 | omoore | i even tried... |
| 02:02.43 | omoore | /bin/ps -A >> /tmp/checkme.log |
| 02:02.48 | omoore | and that returns nothing |
| 02:03.00 | omoore | any idea as to why this would be true from a launcher? |
| 02:03.14 | kergoth | *cough*sharpsucks*cough* |
| 02:03.21 | omoore | i got around this by doing the goofy thing of... |
| 02:03.41 | omoore | PROCESS_ID=`top -b -n 1 | grep shine | mawk '{print $1}'` |
| 02:04.02 | omoore | which sucks |
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| 02:15.30 | omoore | kergoth: i agree with you taht the sharp rom can suck.. but at least it runs on the 5600 :-( |
| 02:15.43 | omoore | kergoth: i'm eagerly awaiting a stable 5600 release of OZ |
| 02:15.51 | omoore | kergoth: then i'll move all my clients to it |
| 02:16.51 | kergoth | omoore: it'll happen eventually.. I have a friend's 5600 collecting dust in my apartment waiting for me to have time :) |
| 02:17.01 | omoore | heh |
| 02:17.13 | kergoth | new job and all.. busybusy |
| 02:17.32 | omoore | kergoth: soon, i'll be contributing whatever you guys need .. to a limited degree... |
| 02:17.42 | omoore | kergoth: our company wants to push openzaurus development |
| 02:17.55 | omoore | kergoth: but we are new.. funds are tight.. but jsut singed a HUGE contract |
| 02:17.56 | fliplap | hrm, nice, the keyless entry to my car has stopped working |
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| 02:18.02 | omoore | kergoth: looking forward to october :-D |
| 02:18.04 | fliplap | even after replacing the battery in the remote |
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| 02:23.49 | beattie | if I want to install a new kernel to 3.10, I put it onto a CF with the name zimageand do the reset c+d thing right? |
| 02:24.02 | kergoth | yep |
| 02:24.03 | beattie | thats zimage |
| 02:24.49 | beattie | hmmm the light only comes on very shortly and now new kernel must not be building....rats |
| 02:25.14 | kergoth | beattie: it doesnt take long to flash a zimage |
| 02:25.16 | beattie | hmmmm too big |
| 02:25.20 | kergoth | beattie: look at its filesize :) |
| 02:25.24 | kergoth | ah |
| 02:25.34 | beattie | I know, but this was real short |
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| 02:47.27 | Aun | hello, I'm trying to get my open zaurus to USB with linux. every thing is ready on the linux end but "ifup usbd0" doesn't work... sais "couldn't read interfaces file" any ideas? |
| 02:50.43 | Com[Plex] | groqwl |
| 02:50.48 | Com[Plex] | how do I press CONTROL hehe. |
| 02:50.50 | Com[Plex] | damnit |
| 02:51.01 | kergoth | fn + leftshift |
| 02:51.07 | kergoth | fn + rightshift is alt |
| 02:51.14 | beattie | I don't suppose that a bzImage would work |
| 02:51.23 | kergoth | beattie: nope |
| 02:52.38 | beattie | darn, didn't add anything removed ppp and it is still 1060488 oh well |
| 02:53.06 | kergoth | so? |
| 02:53.07 | kergoth | heh |
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| 03:02.08 | omoore | speaking of how do it press .... key... |
| 03:02.22 | omoore | how do you generat a | symbol from the keybaord? |
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| 03:02.30 | kergoth | shift + space or fn + space, depending on context |
| 03:02.32 | omoore | i use my fingernail on the drawing pad righ tnow |
| 03:02.34 | omoore | cool |
| 03:02.35 | kergoth | (console is different from qtopia) |
| 03:03.04 | omoore | you are da man |
| 03:03.17 | kergoth | heh, np |
| 03:03.21 | omoore | (or womman, whichever the case may be) |
| 03:03.25 | omoore | k.. man then |
| 03:06.12 | beattie | well it burns, but it don't boot |
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| 03:12.49 | Com[Plex] | somehow, I got it to come to life |
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| 04:34.52 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 04:57.48 | earHurts | how can I access files on my ms windows pc from my zaurus using tcp/ip? |
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| 05:04.37 | sheenmaster | earHurts: vnc |
| 05:04.46 | sheenmaster | earHurts: I have a better idea though. |
| 05:05.07 | earHurts | not vnc, although i'd like that too |
| 05:05.14 | sheenmaster | earHurts: burn the Micros~1 box and get something worthwhile |
| 05:05.27 | earHurts | keypebble doesn't work on 5600s |
| 05:05.51 | earHurts | and the java client gets out of memory errors |
| 05:06.19 | sheenmaster | earHurts: there is a port of vncviewer |
| 05:06.30 | sheenmaster | earHurts: I have it in OpenZaurus |
| 05:07.21 | earHurts | does it work with the 5600 sharp rom? |
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| 05:10.15 | sheenmaster | earHurts: should |
| 05:10.17 | earHurts | sheen, can you give me an .ipk url, please? |
| 05:10.32 | sheenmaster | earHurts: http://openzaurus.org/ |
| 05:10.35 | sheenmaster | earHurts: in the stable feed |
| 05:11.27 | sheenmaster | earHurts: anyways, my 5500 has 64mb of ram, so I don't know if it'll fit on your weenie 5600 |
| 05:11.49 | earHurts | hmph. |
| 05:12.02 | omoore | sure keypebble does |
| 05:12.04 | omoore | i have 5600 |
| 05:12.05 | omoore | works |
| 05:12.22 | earHurts | how much free ram do you have? |
| 05:12.31 | omoore | sharp rom tho |
| 05:12.39 | omoore | don't know.. never looked |
| 05:12.40 | omoore | but... |
| 05:12.46 | omoore | doesn't impace with data... |
| 05:12.53 | omoore | application ram is seperate memory space |
| 05:13.00 | omoore | as on 5500 |
| 05:13.03 | omoore | (sharp rom) |
| 05:13.29 | omoore | all 5[56]00 sharp roms have 32MB application memory space |
| 05:13.41 | omoore | 5600 is... |
| 05:14.24 | earHurts | system info alwas shows about half that in use... |
| 05:14.39 | omoore | 32MB "ram", 32MB read only filespace, 32MB user filespace |
| 05:15.03 | earHurts | what's the url to your verion of keypebble, please? |
| 05:15.24 | omoore | got it off the infamous "zaurus software index" |
| 05:15.26 | earHurts | crap, opera just exited on me |
| 05:15.39 | omoore | opera uses alot of mem... |
| 05:15.39 | earHurts | killefil.de? |
| 05:15.45 | omoore | one moment... |
| 05:15.52 | earHurts | yeah, and opera sucks |
| 05:16.08 | omoore | ok... |
| 05:16.17 | omoore | opera javascript rocks tho compared to konq on the zaurus |
| 05:16.20 | omoore | anyway... |
| 05:16.29 | omoore | one thing i do that frees memory on any sharp rom... |
| 05:16.37 | omoore | kill all the "quick start" crap... |
| 05:16.50 | omoore | addressbook, toodo, contacts, mail, etc.. that run in background |
| 05:16.53 | omoore | to speed startup time |
| 05:17.03 | omoore | just press/hold the app icon... |
| 05:17.36 | omoore | then uncheck the fast load or what ever it is |
| 05:17.48 | omoore | opera actually rocks . the new 6.x version fot he z |
| 05:18.02 | omoore | (5600 or 5500 with 3.x) |
| 05:18.28 | earHurts | in single column mode, italics only show at 80%, but not at 100% size |
| 05:18.59 | earHurts | ok, the software index keypebble dl link isn't working |
| 05:19.00 | omoore | not saying perfect, but hav eyou compared to (for example) pocket ie |
| 05:19.15 | earHurts | well, no, i have not :) |
| 05:19.29 | omoore | opera is like 5 times faster |
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| 05:19.37 | omoore | pocket ie blows for speed |
| 05:19.51 | omoore | and rendering in general |
| 05:20.00 | omoore | opera is great for web apps |
| 05:20.34 | omoore | konq blows.. because of the crappy javascript support |
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| 05:21.33 | TCMAN | hi all |
| 05:22.38 | earHurts | i can't find keypebble in the opie feeds, stable or testing |
| 05:23.22 | earHurts | oh OPIE-keypebble |
| 05:27.36 | earHurts | when i click on the keypebble ipk, nothing shows in the install dialog |
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| 05:49.44 | earHurts | any map programs for zaurus? |
| 05:50.22 | sheenmaster | omoore: konq works fine on my zaurus |
| 05:50.40 | sheenmaster | omoore: OpenZaurus w/ 64mb/ram 0/ramdisk |
| 05:50.50 | fdask | how do you save stuff with konq |
| 05:50.51 | omoore | konq works great... |
| 05:50.56 | omoore | it jsut that... |
| 05:51.04 | omoore | it's javascript support blows chunks |
| 05:51.04 | fdask | like, theres no right click|saveas :( |
| 05:51.08 | omoore | compared to opera |
| 05:51.15 | omoore | i *like* konq |
| 05:51.30 | omoore | but for web apps that use javascript heavily.. it blows chunks |
| 05:51.55 | sheenmaster | omoore: heavy js blows chunks :( |
| 05:52.00 | omoore | heh |
| 05:52.06 | earHurts | any reason the opie .ipks don't show up inthe package installer? |
| 05:52.14 | omoore | both browser's work well |
| 05:52.36 | omoore | fdask: what happens if you tap and hold? |
| 05:52.44 | omoore | fdask: er... |
| 05:52.59 | omoore | fdask: just press on the link and hold down |
| 05:53.26 | omoore | fdask: opera gives you a menu when you do that. .assuming konq does too |
| 05:53.44 | omoore | but as sheenmaster, he prolly can tell you |
| 05:53.47 | omoore | er.. ask |
| 05:54.56 | sheenmaster | omoore: Iuse wget for that |
| 05:56.03 | omoore | heh.. but why whould you want to .. when you are in your browser, sittinga a page with a file... |
| 05:56.40 | omoore | hmm... let me go open a terminal.. cd to my destination.. wget .. oh wait.. le me copy the url and paste .. ok...now i got my ile |
| 05:56.42 | omoore | vs... |
| 05:56.49 | omoore | click & hold... save file |
| 05:56.53 | fdask | up to this point, i've been finding the download page i want in konq, then ssh'ing into a bsd box, lynx'ing to it, downloading, logging out, ftp'in back in, get file, logout, done. |
| 05:56.56 | fdask | it's damn tedious. |
| 05:57.09 | omoore | holy freaking cow! |
| 05:57.22 | fdask | i don't claim to have the smartest methods ;p |
| 05:57.26 | omoore | heh |
| 05:57.38 | omoore | surly konq supports saving a linked file |
| 05:57.52 | omoore | i would be stuned if ti doesn't |
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| 06:00.34 | sheenmaster | omoore: konq or konq-full? |
| 06:00.39 | sheenmaster | omoore: I've only used the latter |
| 06:00.42 | omoore | no clue |
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| 06:00.55 | omoore | just konq in general... |
| 06:01.04 | omoore | sould not besurprized if it takes konq-full tho |
| 06:01.08 | omoore | would |
| 06:01.18 | omoore | geez. my typing sux |
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| 06:02.58 | omoore | question... i use mysql for an embedded pda app on the zaurus |
| 06:03.17 | omoore | i want it to obviously shut down gracefully if they reboot the device... |
| 06:03.36 | omoore | i only need put a reference such as K80mysqlstop in /etc/rc.d/rc0.d, right? |
| 06:03.44 | omoore | (standard unixt thing, yes?) |
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| 07:38.59 | nullpuppy | anyone have any resources on syncing a zaurus on linux? (particularly gentoo) |
| 07:39.17 | ChipX86 | scp :) |
| 07:39.26 | ChipX86 | QTopia desktop works |
| 07:39.39 | ChipX86 | use alien on the rpm. It's somewhere on trolltech.com |
| 07:39.45 | nullpuppy | ok |
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| 07:40.15 | nullpuppy | so.. ChipX86, hows it going? |
| 07:40.21 | ChipX86 | better. You? |
| 07:40.30 | nullpuppy | not to shabby |
| 07:40.39 | ChipX86 | good |
| 07:41.02 | nullpuppy | i got a zaurus, a laptop that should be here wednesday, a rather interesting job coming up this weekend, going to defcon, etc |
| 07:41.08 | nullpuppy | all in all, going pretty good... ;) |
| 07:41.09 | ChipX86 | cool |
| 07:41.10 | ChipX86 | yeah |
| 07:41.58 | nullpuppy | how big is qtopia? |
| 07:42.26 | ChipX86 | don't remember |
| 07:43.04 | nullpuppy | hmm.. 10mb source tarball |
| 07:45.07 | nullpuppy | oh.. and how did you get a cross compiler setup? |
| 07:45.20 | ChipX86 | there's a site with rpms and instructions. It's been awhile |
| 07:45.26 | nullpuppy | ok |
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| 08:59.46 | TCMAN | good night |
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| 09:57.54 | fdask | how does mic in on the zaurus work? i know it uses the same jack... but how? does it toggle between output/input depending on whats trying to use the port? |
| 10:17.40 | m_0f | dude theres no hardware difference between a speaker and a microphone besides optimizations for gain |
| 10:17.42 | m_0f | one way or the other |
| 10:17.56 | m_0f | which is why u can record by yellign into headphones |
| 10:18.40 | fdask | :) |
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| 11:31.21 | fdask | anyone have an idea why vmemo is reporting /dev/dsp is busy everytime i try to record? shouldn't it be using dsp1? |
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| 11:46.03 | fdask | i'm trying to load opierec, and i'm getting the error: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:46.26 | fdask | does this indicate i'm missing 2 libs? libstdc++ and libc6.2-2.so.3? |
| 11:46.30 | fdask | or is it one single file? |
| 11:48.19 | ljp_laptop | hmm, whats needing stdc++ I wonder |
| 11:48.34 | ljp_laptop | on sharp rom? |
| 11:49.27 | fdask | openzaurus |
| 11:49.41 | fdask | i had the same error before with a game called Sokoban. |
| 11:49.54 | fdask | now the error is popping up with opierec from the testing feed |
| 11:50.14 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 11:51.00 | fdask | i have libc6 installed. |
| 11:51.15 | fdask | can't find stdc++ or anything in any feed |
| 12:18.27 | ljp_laptop | well, it really shouldnt need that. dunno why thats happening |
| 12:20.56 | fdask | weird. |
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| 12:47.15 | Solar[X] | fdask: get libstdc++ from the familiar feed, worked for me. |
| 12:49.06 | Solar[X] | http://handhelds.org/feeds/devel/libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2_2.95.4-15_arm.ipk |
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| 15:45.25 | P-Chan | Where can i lean about syncing my zaurus in linux? (RH 8) |
| 15:46.15 | warmi | have you tried http://docs.zaurus.com/ ? |
| 15:47.19 | treke | P-Chan: You need to be using a rom that this older than 3.1 |
| 15:48.28 | P-Chan | Why? |
| 15:49.37 | P-Chan | warmi: thanks, im checking it now. |
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| 16:06.44 | Stryker | Morning |
| 16:07.25 | savant | why yes, it is (: |
| 16:08.54 | Stryker | Yes, not a cloud in the sky, very good indeed. :) |
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| 18:04.47 | bzdoug___ | morning kergoth :P |
| 18:05.16 | kergoth | hey |
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| 18:18.15 | bzdoug___ | whats the program thingy that allows one to pipe stuff to a tcp port? |
| 18:18.20 | bzdoug___ | on linux? |
| 18:18.21 | Wintre | netcat |
| 18:18.22 | kergoth | netcat |
| 18:18.27 | bzdoug___ | ah, thx |
| 18:18.48 | bzdoug___ | hrm, not installed |
| 18:18.49 | kergoth | socat is like netcat only more flexible. handles both net and local, all sorts of things. more complex to use though |
| 18:18.55 | bzdoug___ | ah, ok |
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| 19:18.50 | SuKoShi | Does anyone can explain me how to build my own cross-compilation toolchain? |
| 19:19.11 | SuKoShi | i've compiler binutils (--target=arm-linux) |
| 19:19.41 | SuKoShi | i would like to know the right process, if anybody can help :) |
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| 19:33.53 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 19:38.15 | kergoth | SuKoShi: buildroot can build one. enable glibc in libs, and binutils and gcc in the host build tools |
| 19:38.29 | kergoth | SuKoShi: it'll put it in crosscompilerpath/[gccver] |
| 19:39.12 | SuKoShi | kergoth: THANK YOU ! |
| 19:39.23 | kergoth | np |
| 19:39.43 | SuKoShi | (even if i wanted to learn how to build one from the ground up) |
| 19:39.53 | kergoth | read the makefiels |
| 19:39.56 | kergoth | files |
| 19:39.56 | kergoth | :) |
| 19:40.06 | kergoth | there are a number of howtos on it, and build scripts |
| 19:40.07 | SuKoShi | Doh |
| 19:40.18 | SuKoShi | i've found some websites related to this |
| 19:40.20 | kergoth | i believe theres a tooclhain build script in the toolchain dir on ftp.arm.linux.org.uk |
| 19:40.42 | kergoth | andersee has a uclibc toolchain build script, its a makefile in an old style buildroot |
| 19:40.52 | SuKoShi | ok |
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| 19:45.24 | chouimat | kergoth: http://www.kegel.com/crosstool/ |
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| 19:48.54 | galvatr0n | i have added a new share to samba/smb.conf and it appears in my network shared folders but i dont have permission to access the new folder over the network is there any way to give myself permission |
| 19:53.46 | cyn | ... add your user in smb.conf |
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| 19:57.08 | galvatr0n | i have force user = root in there but i still cant access the folder |
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| 21:01.16 | galvatr0n | what do i need to play divx on my 5600?? |
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| 21:10.10 | galvatr0n | can someone send me tckVideo |
| 21:11.25 | treke | no |
| 21:11.29 | treke | go buy t |
| 21:12.50 | Twiun | ooer, he didn't take that well ;) |
| 21:13.03 | treke | too bad |
| 21:13.20 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 21:14.32 | doughecka | lol |
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| 22:11.20 | OliverTwisted_Z | anyone here help me out on where to start on learning to program in Java for the Zaurus? |
| 22:12.01 | fdask | java.sun.com? |
| 22:13.13 | OliverTwisted_Z | weeding out what I need to get started is a bit difficult |
| 22:13.27 | OliverTwisted_Z | is there a good book I can buy? |
| 22:13.47 | OliverTwisted_Z | would the J2ME book work for the PersonalJava api etc? |
| 22:21.43 | OliverTwisted_Z | anyone? |
| 22:21.54 | doughecka | I dont use java |
| 22:21.58 | doughecka | I use water and milk |
| 22:22.19 | kergoth | i so need an espresso machine. in my cubicle. |
| 22:22.21 | kergoth | :D |
| 22:22.35 | doughecka | they where discussing that at work the other day |
| 22:22.43 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:23.03 | kergoth | thatd be great |
| 22:23.15 | doughecka | cept I dont drink coffee |
| 22:23.30 | redtoade | kergoth: I don't understand the jtag reference. Is jtag a hardware standard but sharp hasn't released how it implemented it (pinouts)? |
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| 22:23.49 | doughecka | he cant say |
| 22:23.56 | doughecka | if he did he would have to kill you |
| 22:24.00 | kergoth | redtoade: sharp hasnt released the information on how to interface with it on the zaurus |
| 22:24.05 | kergoth | redtoade: thats correct |
| 22:24.08 | redtoade | k |
| 22:25.04 | redtoade | but if you paid them the developers fee they'd give you info? or completely proprietary? |
| 22:25.17 | kergoth | they havent released it. period. |
| 22:25.20 | redtoade | kergoth: ie. you know don't you? |
| 22:25.25 | kergoth | i know yes. |
| 22:25.27 | redtoade | heh |
| 22:25.30 | redtoade | damn |
| 22:25.31 | kergoth | can you know? no. |
| 22:25.34 | redtoade | I got it |
| 22:25.44 | doughecka | how about some cash? |
| 22:25.45 | doughecka | :P |
| 22:26.07 | fdask | whats jtag? |
| 22:26.09 | kergoth | itd have to be a hell of a lot of cash to get me to violate a non disclosure agreement |
| 22:26.13 | kergoth | :P |
| 22:26.18 | doughecka | it leaked? |
| 22:26.20 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:27.01 | galvatr0n | i have edited the /home/root/usr/lib/samba/smb.conf and added a new shared folder to it but it dont have permission to access this folder from winxp what else do i need to add? |
| 22:27.15 | OliverTwisted_Z | who can help me out with Java? |
| 22:27.21 | OliverTwisted_Z | anyone spare me a few moments? |
| 22:27.38 | fdask | anyone have a sound recorder workin in opie? i've had no luck with either vmemo or opie-rec |
| 22:28.01 | fdask | galvatr0n, what are the permissions on the folder? |
| 22:28.25 | OliverTwisted_Z | someone save my life please |
| 22:28.33 | kergoth | ~kill OliverTwisted_Z |
| 22:28.35 | | ACTION executes killall -9 OliverTwisted_Z |
| 22:33.01 | galvatr0n | [java] |
| 22:33.01 | galvatr0n | comment = Java Progs |
| 22:33.01 | galvatr0n | path = /home/QtPalmtop/java |
| 22:33.01 | galvatr0n | short preserve case = no |
| 22:33.01 | galvatr0n | read only = no |
| 22:33.02 | galvatr0n | guest ok = yes |
| 22:33.04 | galvatr0n | force user = root |
| 22:33.21 | galvatr0n | this is what i put in samba/smb.conf |
| 22:36.00 | galvatr0n | but i cant access this folder from winxp |
| 22:36.26 | galvatr0n | is there something else i can add to this to give XP permission to access this share |
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| 22:45.42 | galvatr0n | where can i edit the Z's permissions related to samba |
| 22:47.59 | galvatr0n | has anyone got an RTPsession working with JMF? |
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| 22:50.28 | Twiun | galvatr0n: yes, I am a 'java' man :) |
| 22:50.39 | Twiun | galvatr0n: but I know little about samba or JMF |
| 22:51.04 | Twiun | galvatr0n: what I know about JMF is on my faq site: http://adorphuye.com/zaurus/java/faq.jsp |
| 22:52.35 | galvatr0n | i followed that faq but cant recieve a rtp session |
| 22:58.59 | galvatr0n | twiun: what java setup do u use on the Z ie. ide, compiler, jvm |
| 23:00.29 | Twiun | galvatr0n: I don't, I only ever used vim and jikes. Using evm, cvm, wonka and I also tried J9 |
| 23:00.39 | Twiun | galvatr0n: all my work atm is native |
| 23:01.38 | galvatr0n | what is jikes like is it better than jdk1.1.8 javac and where can i get it from |
| 23:02.05 | galvatr0n | also whats evm like compared to cvm |
| 23:03.34 | Twiun | there's very little different between evm and cvm in practical usage. cvm supports the 1.3+ java _language_ - other differences are api-based |
| 23:04.04 | Twiun | jikes is a java compiler implemented in C, it weighs at 2mb and requires a class library to compile against |
| 23:04.33 | Twiun | look at http://adorphuye.com/files for ZJikes.tgz (I think) for an arm executable |
| 23:10.12 | Twiun | anyway, I must be off to bed, g'night |
| 23:11.10 | galvatr0n | cheers for the help man c u soon |
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| 23:25.52 | fdask | hrmm |
| 23:25.52 | fdask | i got opierecord working by symlinking a library |
| 23:25.52 | fdask | but now i'm getting errors when i try to record |
| 23:25.52 | fdask | the problem seems to be with an ioctl call |
| 23:26.43 | fdask | ioctl("PCM_READ_BITS"): invalid argument |
| 23:26.43 | fdask | perhaps i'm missing some sort of dependency for this prog? |
| 23:26.43 | fdask | any ideas? |
| 23:27.36 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 23:28.36 | fdask | theres a couple other ioctl("PCM*"): invalid argument errors as well |
| 23:29.29 | fdask | :\ |
| 23:29.34 | ljp_laptop | kergoth: is QT_QWS_EBX defined in opie anymore? |
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| 23:30.14 | ljp_laptop | fdask: on oz? |
| 23:30.30 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: it may be defined, i dont recall. if it is, its just for building other packages outside of opie using our qmake mkspecs |
| 23:30.31 | fdask | ya |
| 23:30.38 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: opie proper doesnt use ebx or custom either anymore |
| 23:30.54 | fdask | 3.2-stable |
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| 23:38.55 | fdask | its almost like everything having to do with wav format is missing |
| 23:39.21 | fdask | sets up /dev/dsp properly, creates the file, and the header, but errors out trying to read the pcm data |
| 23:40.32 | fdask | to get opierec working, it needed libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 23:40.56 | fdask | i symlinked to libstdc++-libc6.1-2.so.3 however |
| 23:41.02 | ljp_laptop | hmmm, thats odd |
| 23:41.08 | fdask | it got the app running, but perhaps this version difference would explain the missing pcm stuff? |
| 23:41.19 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: i think bipolar has a messed up toolchain |
| 23:41.19 | ljp_laptop | naaa |
| 23:41.24 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: for the unstable builds |
| 23:41.27 | kergoth | stdc++ is leaking in |
| 23:41.27 | ljp_laptop | seems like it |
| 23:41.40 | fdask | got opierec from the testing feed |
| 23:41.41 | ljp_laptop | ~lart stdc++ |
| 23:41.49 | ljp_laptop | hehehee |
| 23:42.02 | ljp_laptop | never knew a lib could have a pda |
| 23:43.05 | fdask | how can i find out what parameters the ioctl call supports? |
| 23:43.07 | bobbyd | fdask dos libstdc++ includethe standard c libs and headers? |
| 23:43.14 | kergoth | ? |
| 23:43.18 | kergoth | stdc++ is stdc++. |
| 23:43.32 | kergoth | the standard template library for c++ |
| 23:43.39 | kergoth | does not include glibc, or anything for glibc |
| 23:43.46 | bobbyd | kergoth : it seems my gcc install is missing the std libs and headers |
| 23:43.56 | bobbyd | so i need a glibc package |
| 23:44.00 | kergoth | dood |
| 23:44.01 | kergoth | you're on crack |
| 23:44.08 | fdask | hehe |
| 23:44.09 | kergoth | your Z wouldnt be able to run any binaries if you didnt have glibc |
| 23:44.11 | kergoth | of course you have glibc |
| 23:44.15 | kergoth | you just dont have its headers |
| 23:44.21 | fdask | .o |
| 23:44.32 | bobbyd | kergoth : some people done have a complete understanding of linux (eg me ;) |
| 23:44.45 | bobbyd | i'm learning from the bottom up |
| 23:45.00 | kergoth | i swear, everyone who aspires to be a coder |
| 23:45.08 | kergoth | should take a few classes on unix and linux administration |
| 23:45.13 | kergoth | just to round out their skillsets |
| 23:45.18 | ljp_laptop | gotta start somewhere |
| 23:45.19 | kergoth | and so they know how the shit all fits together |
| 23:45.26 | bobbyd | kergoth : gcc barfs on linking complaining that it cant find crt0.o, do you know where i should cet it? (i assume i need a crt0.s) |
| 23:45.48 | bobbyd | kergoth : i've been a professional coder for 6 years |
| 23:46.00 | bobbyd | i've never needed to know how unix/linux works... |
| 23:46.09 | kergoth | I didnt say it was necessary |
| 23:46.13 | kergoth | i said it'd round out the skills |
| 23:46.17 | bobbyd | i like learning it though |
| 23:46.25 | kergoth | there are far too many specialists who lack an understanding of the whole. |
| 23:46.26 | kergoth | imho |
| 23:46.42 | oGMo | yes quite |
| 23:46.47 | bobbyd | but linux/unix is just one facet of softwre engineering |
| 23:46.56 | kergoth | no shit. |
| 23:46.59 | kergoth | did i claim otherwise? |
| 23:47.47 | bobbyd | you implied that to understand the 'whole' of software enginnering you need to understand unix |
| 23:47.57 | kergoth | wrong. |
| 23:48.02 | kergoth | i didnt say the whole of software engineering |
| 23:48.12 | bobbyd | well, it was rather a vauge statement, i have to admit |
| 23:48.19 | kergoth | systems administration is independent from software engineering |
| 23:48.31 | kergoth | yet to truly understand how your code will fit into a system, you should have a knowledge of both. |
| 23:48.33 | bobbyd | but unix development and libc arent... |
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| 23:48.41 | kergoth | what are you talking about? |
| 23:48.44 | bobbyd | of course, i agree with that completely |
| 23:48.54 | kergoth | okay then |
| 23:48.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:48.58 | bobbyd | i dont know, what are you talking about ;) |
| 23:49.20 | bobbyd | now, where do i find this elusive crt0.o or .s that i need? |
| 23:50.22 | bobbyd | kergoth : give me a hint... ;) |
| 23:50.47 | fdask | isn't crt0.o like a system header? |
| 23:51.05 | fdask | i remember having to get a file like that when doing some gameboy dev... |
| 23:51.12 | bobbyd | well, a .o file is a gcc object file which has been compiled srom some kind of source |
| 23:51.23 | fdask | ya, i know. |
| 23:51.30 | bobbyd | fdask : yeah, on the gba it's an asm file used for system initialisation |
| 23:51.31 | kergoth | its one of the startfiles. i dont recall if that particular one is part of gcc or glibc |
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| 23:51.35 | kergoth | if the former, you should already have it |
| 23:51.44 | kergoth | if hte latter, it'd be in the glibc develpometn package that includes the headers |
| 23:51.47 | doughecka | ahh! its a bipolar! |
| 23:51.56 | bobbyd | kergoth |
| 23:52.03 | fdask | find / -name "*crt*" |
| 23:52.06 | bobbyd | kergoth : ok thanks |
| 23:52.14 | bobbyd | fdask : did that, it's not there |
| 23:52.28 | bipolar | uh oh |
| 23:52.29 | bobbyd | i'll look in glibc |
| 23:53.01 | bobbyd | ok thanks ppl, I hope to be contributing some packages to OZ soon ;) |
| 23:53.04 | bobbyd | night |
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| 23:55.15 | tyreth | Is there a free code viewer that includes highlighting for c/c++ for the sharp rom? |
| 23:55.35 | fdask | tyreth, i think there are a couple at killefiz |
| 23:55.51 | kergoth | tinykate works well |
| 23:58.05 | tyreth | tinykate didn't work last time I tried (installing), but maybe I'll give it another shot |
| 23:59.11 | bipolar | doughecka: did you need somethin'? :-) |
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| 23:59.30 | doughecka | a brain, I think |
| 23:59.34 | bipolar | heh |
| 23:59.44 | doughecka | wait, I cant think |