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| 00:28.09 | Plummer | hi ppl |
| 00:30.34 | Plummer | I have a question. I am going to buy a Zaurus and I am thinking on which model to buy either 5500 or 5600. The questions is do price difference really worth it? |
| 00:31.49 | treke | what is more important to you |
| 00:31.57 | treke | battery life or size or speed |
| 00:32.40 | Plummer | treke: is 5600 much more weighty? |
| 00:32.56 | treke | dont know how much more but it is going to be a bit heavier |
| 00:34.21 | Plummer | treke: the price difference here between the two is about $200 which makes it about x2. So I wonder would it be ok if I'll go with older one |
| 00:34.52 | treke | it depends. do you want the bigger battery and the in flash storage that much? |
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| 00:35.45 | Plummer | treke: how long does it lives on battery in real life? |
| 00:35.50 | treke | dunno |
| 00:36.43 | Plummer | treke: hmm... but what do you do with your device? |
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| 00:39.08 | ljp_laptop_ | he doesnt have a zaurus |
| 00:39.34 | wardriver | when i install a lib to sd it doesn't work like when i install a lib to root but i'm really low on root space |
| 00:39.40 | wardriver | how can i get libs to work from sd? |
| 00:40.28 | fdask | symlink it maybe? |
| 00:40.49 | ljp_laptop_ | edit /etc/ld.so.conf, install and run ldconfig ;) |
| 00:40.58 | ljp_laptop_ | symlink can work also |
| 00:41.10 | Plummer | ok, so 5600 is a little bit heavier, twice quicker but has fixed storage/memory amounts, right? |
| 00:41.17 | treke | Plummer: no |
| 00:41.22 | treke | not twice as quick |
| 00:41.34 | treke | about the same speed to slighly slower |
| 00:42.06 | Plummer | treke: but specs say 206MHz against 400 |
| 00:42.21 | treke | yes they do. |
| 00:42.44 | Plummer | what is the bottleneck then? |
| 00:42.59 | treke | higher clock speed doesn't always mean better performance |
| 00:44.51 | Plummer | well, what would you recommend, to get 5500 for $300 or 5600 for almost $500? |
| 00:45.02 | cleverdra | You can get a 5500 for $200. |
| 00:45.05 | cleverdra | 200 USD. |
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| 00:45.13 | Solar[X] | Why is there no ettercap for openzaurus? |
| 00:45.21 | cleverdra | solar - what is 'ettercap'? |
| 00:45.27 | wardriver | i don't have a /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 00:45.29 | Plummer | cleverdra: but not in Ukraine |
| 00:45.40 | Solar[X] | An ethernet package sniffer. |
| 00:45.43 | ljp_laptop_ | use symlinks then |
| 00:45.48 | cleverdra | Plummer - tigerdirect doesn't ship to the Ukraine? What about ebay? |
| 00:45.54 | Solar[X] | Would be nice in combination with Wellenreiter or Kismet :) |
| 00:46.04 | Plummer | cleverdra: although I would love that :) |
| 00:46.48 | Solar[X] | Maybe it's in the Familiar feeds. |
| 00:47.01 | Plummer | cleverdra: they maybe even ship, but customs are about 40% :) The only way to avoid that is to go to Europe and buy it personally. |
| 00:47.17 | cleverdra | Plummer - ouch. OK. |
| 00:47.26 | Solar[X] | Even if you mark it as a gift? |
| 00:48.25 | Plummer | Solar[X]: but usually companies never mark it as such :) |
| 00:48.37 | Plummer | that would resolve the problem |
| 00:49.06 | cleverdra | Plummer - email them and request it. "Hi, I'd like you to ship this to me, and mark it as a gift. No, I'll wrap it myself." |
| 00:49.24 | Plummer | cleverdra: whom? |
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| 00:49.56 | cleverdra | Plummer - whoever you wish to receive a gift-marked package from. |
| 00:50.30 | galvatr0n | has any1 here got the Klawa JCompiler? |
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| 00:50.52 | Plummer | cleverdra: I had to find first such person. I'm afraid of ebay coz friend of mine knows some ppl who suffered from that |
| 00:51.02 | Solar[X] | hmm |
| 00:51.28 | Solar[X] | I never got tricked on ebay. |
| 00:51.36 | cleverdra | A friend of a friend got burned by eBay? Too bad. I've had great experiences. |
| 00:51.46 | Plummer | he was specific about ebay.de, but overseas shipping may eat up all price difference |
| 00:51.57 | galvatr0n | and does anyone know how to connect the 5600 to xp via usb cradle(not sync but share internet connection) |
| 00:51.59 | Solar[X] | You have to pay attention though. |
| 00:52.23 | Solar[X] | I bought lots of stuff on .de |
| 00:52.48 | Solar[X] | My Z I got from .uk |
| 00:53.00 | Plummer | another question. How Zaurus co-works with FreeBSD? |
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| 00:53.12 | Plummer | I use that OS |
| 00:53.18 | Solar[X] | Sync you mean? |
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| 00:53.49 | Plummer | Solar[X]: execatly |
| 00:54.03 | Plummer | Solar[X]: exactly |
| 00:54.06 | Solar[X] | I'm not sure if the Qtopia software is available for BSD. |
| 00:54.39 | Plummer | how does it look for the desctop OS, like a network card or usb-mass storage or what? |
| 00:54.55 | Solar[X] | USB |
| 00:55.01 | Solar[X] | Not mass storage. |
| 00:55.16 | Solar[X] | ppp I think |
| 00:55.35 | Plummer | Solar[X]: in any way I may run Linux binaries in FreeBSD |
| 00:55.53 | Solar[X] | Yeah, but you may have troubles getting it to work with the FreeBSD USB drivers. |
| 00:56.04 | Plummer | aha |
| 00:56.08 | Solar[X] | You can always get an ethernet card to sync over though. |
| 00:56.27 | Stryker | I just got my Z from eBay.. |
| 00:56.35 | Plummer | I am able to fix drivers |
| 00:56.40 | Stryker | Over all the experience was alright. |
| 00:56.45 | Plummer | Stryker: which ebay? |
| 00:56.48 | Solar[X] | Heh, that's handy. |
| 00:56.53 | Stryker | www.ebay.ca |
| 00:57.05 | Stryker | but it was from a company in the US |
| 00:57.17 | Solar[X] | As I said, I got mine from .uk ebay, took less than 2 weeks, and it arrived in perfect condition, with no extra taxes/ |
| 00:57.36 | Stryker | There were a few most scratches than I thought the guy mentioned but.. |
| 00:57.51 | Solar[X] | Mine was MINT, almost like new I would say. |
| 00:57.54 | Plummer | Solar[X]: so you're from Holland, right? |
| 00:57.58 | Solar[X] | Yep |
| 00:58.23 | Plummer | Solar[X]: but that's normal country when compare to Ukraine :) |
| 00:58.30 | Solar[X] | I guess |
| 00:58.47 | Solar[X] | Our ebay sucks though :) |
| 00:59.15 | Solar[X] | And I don't think there are more than 10 Zauruses in this entire country. |
| 00:59.24 | Plummer | :) |
| 00:59.33 | Plummer | a cool gadget |
| 00:59.39 | Solar[X] | Definately |
| 00:59.51 | Solar[X] | I'm still waiting for my Wlan equipment, that will really add to it. |
| 01:00.04 | Solar[X] | THe ultimate tool to walk around with. |
| 01:00.18 | Plummer | so, to put OZ to it I need to buy a CF additionally, right?? |
| 01:00.23 | Solar[X] | Yeah |
| 01:00.34 | Stryker | It's nice, I was listening to some smb mounted mp3's last night via my wifi card.. |
| 01:00.36 | Solar[X] | But I would recommend extra storage anyway. |
| 01:01.06 | wardriver | Stryker how did you set that up? |
| 01:01.08 | Plummer | Solar[X]: I'm thinking about some 256M |
| 01:01.15 | Solar[X] | Good choice. |
| 01:01.25 | Stryker | wardriver: the smb share or the wifi card? |
| 01:01.37 | Solar[X] | Though having an SD card in the slot permanently is also a nice feature. |
| 01:01.39 | wardriver | the smb share |
| 01:01.42 | Stryker | I have a linksys AP and a Socket wlan card |
| 01:01.47 | Solar[X] | Unless you don't have any other CF cards. |
| 01:02.03 | Solar[X] | I have a 32MB mmc card I use for app storage, so I can use the CF slot for ethernet. |
| 01:02.11 | Stryker | wardriver: sucked down the smbmount ipkg, installed it and then mounted the share |
| 01:02.15 | Solar[X] | wardriver: get smbmount from killefiz.de |
| 01:02.25 | Plummer | Solar[X]: wait, will MMC work or it should be SD? |
| 01:02.28 | wardriver | i downloaded ldconfig into bin, what format should i use to link libaries in the ld.so.conf file? |
| 01:02.30 | Solar[X] | Both work |
| 01:02.51 | Plummer | Solar[X]: cool, I have extra from my Siemens SL45 |
| 01:03.00 | wardriver | would someone pass an example ld.so.conf file my way? |
| 01:03.33 | wardriver | stryker, what player are you using? |
| 01:03.51 | Solar[X] | I'm gonna get a bigger sd card when I get my wlan stuff, so I can store more stuff when I have my wlan CF card inserted. |
| 01:03.58 | Stryker | wardriver: I used the Opie Media Player from OZ |
| 01:04.16 | Solar[X] | wardriver: you're not asking me, but I use xmms - I'd recommend it. |
| 01:04.19 | Solar[X] | For movies too. |
| 01:04.36 | Solar[X] | COmbined with the mplayer plugin. |
| 01:04.42 | Stryker | Solar[X]: Where did you find xmms? |
| 01:04.54 | Solar[X] | It's on killefiz.de |
| 01:05.07 | Stryker | cool, thanks. |
| 01:05.15 | Stryker | I must have missed it. |
| 01:05.33 | Solar[X] | You probably need one ipkg from familiar though, libstdc++ |
| 01:05.39 | Solar[X] | OZ doesn't have it for some reason. |
| 01:05.45 | Plummer | xmms is even on testing feed of OZ.com |
| 01:06.03 | Solar[X] | The sf page for it has a newer version I think. |
| 01:06.17 | Plummer | thats ususal |
| 01:06.19 | Solar[X] | There's a link on the killefiz page. |
| 01:06.58 | Stryker | Solar[X]: I thought I heard that there were some problems installing that libstdc++ on OZ? |
| 01:07.18 | Solar[X] | I didn't have any problems installing it. |
| 01:07.26 | Solar[X] | I did have problems finding it. |
| 01:07.27 | Solar[X] | :) |
| 01:08.49 | wardriver | could i just put /mnt/card into ld.so.conf or do i have to put /mnt/card/lib , /mnt/card/usr/lib , /mnt/card/usr/lib/X11R6 ? |
| 01:09.12 | Solar[X] | I think you have to add the specific dirs. |
| 01:09.18 | Solar[X] | It's not recursive. |
| 01:09.56 | wardriver | man thats a biotch, i hope this solves my lacking root space for libs |
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| 01:12.57 | Stryk_WIFI | Got to love wifi |
| 01:18.00 | wardriver | when i edit ld.so.conf so that /mnt/card/usr/lib is in it and run ldconfig i get the error that says that /bin/ldconfig:can't link /mnt/card/usr/lib/libgtk to libgtk |
| 01:18.18 | wardriver | ??? |
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| 01:31.14 | Solar[X] | wardriver: link dirs, not files. |
| 01:33.17 | wardriver | i linked the dirs, it picked up the files |
| 01:33.29 | Solar[X] | Oh |
| 01:33.55 | Solar[X] | Isn't there an existing libgtk? |
| 01:34.00 | Solar[X] | In /lib or something? |
| 01:34.27 | wardriver | no |
| 01:34.47 | wardriver | theres a link there.... |
| 01:34.57 | wardriver | but when i try to run the program that needs it, it says it can't find it |
| 01:44.07 | wardriver | i was tryin to change my mac address so that it would connect under a different address on my router, i mangaged to change the address but couldn't get the unit to connect to the router... |
| 01:51.01 | Solar[X] | ifconfig hw ether bl:ah:bl:ah:bl? |
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| 01:54.45 | wardriver | ya something like that... in the etc/networks area |
| 01:55.05 | wardriver | managed to get the mac to show up like i wanted it on the zarii side, but couldn't get it to connect to the router |
| 01:55.31 | wardriver | the zarii would appear to be connected but if i tried to ping it, the card would start to blink |
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| 02:10.48 | aTypical | Hello everyone. |
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| 02:48.20 | Stryker | Does Mazingo's client work on OZ? |
| 02:49.08 | Xumbi | does it work on the sharp rom? |
| 02:49.28 | Stryker | Yeah, appairently |
| 02:50.14 | Xumbi | then it should work on oz |
| 02:51.19 | Xumbi | I've been running OZ for a while now, very few apps that work on the sharp rom don't work on oz |
| 02:51.39 | Stryker | That's good news.. |
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| 03:02.51 | wardriver | i never could get the opera to work , even with the opera ipk builder |
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| 03:04.41 | Solar[X] | Mine worked fine with the creator on killefiz.de |
| 03:06.12 | Xumbi | I ripped opera 6 off 3.10 and it works like a dream in OZ 3.2 |
| 03:07.08 | Solar[X] | Me too |
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| 03:25.45 | Aun | How can I check what my SD card's file format is? |
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| 05:13.02 | fdask | can anyone offer some tips on changing the screen protector film on my zaurus? |
| 05:13.09 | fdask | i've never done it before and i'm worried i might do something bad |
| 05:15.14 | SirPsycho-home | i have a g2 protector on mine.. been on there about 8 months and never changed it yet |
| 05:15.17 | treke|home | changing the film? just peal it off and put another on |
| 05:16.04 | treke|home | and dont use a screw driver to scrape it off |
| 05:18.24 | wardriver | any suggestions for a samba front end? are there any programs that will auto detect your shares so you don't have to put them in manualy? |
| 05:31.32 | Stryker | Are there any good leather covers out there? |
| 05:44.35 | Aun | can I program C++ _on_ the zaurus? |
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| 05:53.27 | Shtoink | Sup everyone? |
| 05:54.18 | Stryk_WIFI | I've never done it, but I would say yes |
| 06:01.43 | oGMo | Aun: well, yeah, but it won't be terribly comfortable |
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| 06:02.33 | Aun | how do you do it? |
| 06:13.28 | oGMo | you get gcc and you install it on a CF/SD and you try and type in C++ on the keyboard ;) |
| 06:22.30 | Aun | gcc will work on a non x86 processor? |
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| 06:25.44 | NeoTron | hello |
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| 13:39.42 | galvatr0n | i have established a network connection between my Z and XP but how do i share my ethernet connection??? can someone please help :) |
| 13:40.45 | zap-zero | eradicate xp |
| 13:40.48 | Solar[X] | galvatr0n: your outgoing connection properties should have a tab where you can check "share this connection" or something. |
| 13:40.48 | zap-zero | install linux |
| 13:42.12 | galvatr0n | solar: i have enabled that but still no joy using opera |
| 13:42.31 | Solar[X] | Does /etc/resolv.conf on your zaurus have a nameserver? |
| 13:43.38 | galvatr0n | ill just check |
| 13:45.09 | galvatr0n | yep 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:46.09 | Solar[X] | That's not right... you need to add a line "nameserver x.x.x.x" at the top of that file, containing a valid nameserver. |
| 13:46.17 | Solar[X] | Your ISP's would do fine. |
| 13:47.22 | Solar[X] | bbl |
| 13:47.34 | galvatr0n | whats bbl? |
| 13:48.34 | fdask | Be Back Later |
| 13:48.50 | galvatr0n | oh ok |
| 13:49.22 | galvatr0n | how do i find out what my ISP's IP is |
| 13:51.31 | galvatr0n | in resolve.conf i need to put in a DNS server address can i put in my XP default gateway address or should i put in my XP IP address or do i need something else? |
| 13:59.01 | yeiazel | you can put the XP address only if the XP has a dns server |
| 13:59.13 | yeiazel | (installed on it, not only configured) |
| 13:59.30 | galvatr0n | i have established a network connection between my Z and XP but how do i share my ethernet connection??? can someone please help, do i need to edit resolve.conf if so what do i need to change in it ? |
| 14:00.43 | galvatr0n | how do i find out if i have a dns server |
| 14:01.11 | galvatr0n | also how do i find out my ISP's IP so i can try that? |
| 14:02.02 | galvatr0n | i have enabled internet connection sharing aswell |
| 14:02.26 | galvatr0n | but do i need to bridge the connections or not |
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| 14:26.07 | galvatr0n | how do i find out what my ntl dns is? |
| 14:27.17 | galvatr0n | and when editing resolve.conf do i need to take out the #and the text so it just reads nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
| 14:27.45 | yeiazel | you just need "nameserver x" on one or more lines |
| 14:27.52 | yeiazel | comments are not a pb |
| 14:28.21 | galvatr0n | ok thanx |
| 14:30.57 | bzdoug | ipconfig in the command prompt |
| 14:31.20 | bzdoug | if NT, winipcnf if 9x |
| 14:39.09 | galvatr0n | i found my dns server address and put it in resolve.conf but still no joy :( what should i do now? |
| 14:40.45 | galvatr0n | do i need to change the network setting in my Z aswell? even though i have established a network connection between my Z and XP |
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| 15:09.49 | Wintre | Hah |
| 15:09.53 | Wintre | IPv6 in action |
| 15:11.47 | galvatr0n | please help!, i have established a network connection between my Z and XP and enabled internet connection sharing on my broadband connection and entered the NTL DNS server address into resolve.conf but when i open opera i still have no joy :( |
| 15:12.11 | Wintre | Tried pinging though the internet connection? |
| 15:12.26 | galvatr0n | what from the Z |
| 15:12.30 | Wintre | YEah |
| 15:13.13 | galvatr0n | i can ping my XP machine from my Z it works fine |
| 15:14.31 | aTypical | galvatr0n: I never had any luck with that. |
| 15:14.49 | Wintre | Can you ping the XP machine's upstream router from the Z? |
| 15:15.49 | galvatr0n | how do i do that? |
| 15:16.26 | Wintre | Ah, from the XP machine, you should do something like route /print, and find out the default router |
| 15:18.18 | aTypical | galvatr0n: Buy a wireless CF card. :) |
| 15:19.07 | galvatr0n | which value am i looking for (default gateway?) |
| 15:19.40 | aTypical | galvatr0n: Yeah, try pinging the gateway from the Z. |
| 15:20.26 | galvatr0n | network is unreachable |
| 15:20.32 | Wintre | From the Z? |
| 15:20.37 | Wintre | Does the Z have a default route? |
| 15:20.38 | galvatr0n | yep |
| 15:21.14 | galvatr0n | i dont know if it has a default route how do i find out |
| 15:21.23 | Wintre | Run route on the Z |
| 15:21.56 | galvatr0n | ok w8 a sec |
| 15:22.48 | galvatr0n | should i do route -n ? |
| 15:23.00 | Wintre | Yeah, probably, otherwise it'll take forever |
| 15:23.58 | galvatr0n | ok got 2 address 1 is a mask which i shall ignore should i ping the other1? |
| 15:24.24 | aTypical | Is the other the localhost? |
| 15:24.51 | Wintre | galvatron: If you have a default route, it will be destination 0.0.0.0, and mask 0.0.0.0 |
| 15:25.12 | galvatr0n | no gateway |
| 15:25.12 | Wintre | Otherwise you should route add default gw a.b.c.d, where a.b.c.d is the IP address of the XP machine |
| 15:26.17 | galvatr0n | the network is up and running though i just cant use my broadband connection |
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| 15:29.59 | galvatr0n | i tried route add default gw a.b.c.d, where a.b.c.d is the IP address of the XP machine = operation not permitted |
| 15:30.19 | Wintre | Oh, you're not root on the Z? |
| 15:31.17 | galvatr0n | ok done now |
| 15:33.51 | galvatr0n | how do i remove the route i just added cause now the network connection has failed |
| 15:36.35 | galvatr0n | how do i remove an entry from route |
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| 16:02.37 | Wintre | Hey |
| 16:02.39 | Wintre | Ack |
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| 16:07.27 | wardriver | so this is how a software install on the zauri goes for me, install libs and the goodie, run the goodie, it says it can't find lib.so.0 and when i go look, there is lib.so.0.8.2 so i rename it, create a symlink and then the goodie moves to the next lib problem |
| 16:07.42 | wardriver | when i get them all worked out the program works, but really, is it the way it is done? |
| 16:08.03 | wardriver | to run the program as command to find out what lib dependancy it is missing? |
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| 16:41.11 | galvatr0n | has anyone here done any java dev work on the zaurus if so what config did u use like which? IDE VM COMPILER etc |
| 16:43.40 | galvatr0n | also has anyone here got the Klawa JCompiler |
| 16:45.11 | galvatr0n | can i telnet into my zaurus from my PC |
| 16:45.38 | galvatr0n | i have already setup a network connection between the 2 |
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| 17:14.30 | aTypical | Hello. Is anyone awake? |
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| 17:51.50 | br33zy | what was the zaurus how-to site thing? |
| 17:52.04 | br33zy | that had good info on how to get the dev system up etc |
| 17:52.05 | br33zy | ? |
| 17:52.27 | br33zy | n |
| 17:52.27 | br33zy | m |
| 17:52.29 | br33zy | nvm |
| 17:52.32 | br33zy | foudn it |
| 18:26.35 | ljp_laptop | google |
| 18:26.38 | ljp_laptop | :) |
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| 18:36.10 | Stryk_WIFI | Morning |
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| 19:16.05 | wardriver | join #openzaurus |
| 19:16.14 | wardriver | grrr |
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| 19:24.14 | djk | anybody got wep 128 working on the new 3.1 rom? |
| 19:25.18 | wardriver | i got the 64 bit runnin |
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| 19:28.09 | decaff | djk: i haven't had any luck with wep on3.1 rom |
| 19:28.28 | decaff | only thing i have tried is the 128 bit |
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| 19:37.29 | fdask_Z | hi |
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| 19:52.30 | aTypical | decaff: I've not tried using WEP. |
| 19:52.35 | aTypical | fdask_Z: Hello. |
| 19:55.21 | fdask_Z | hi aTypical |
| 20:17.03 | fdask_Z | does open have an IM client? |
| 20:17.45 | aTypical | fdask_Z: Yes it does. Have you looked at the openzaurus site under feeds? |
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| 20:18.50 | fdask_Z | aTypical: i have my ipkg pullin from it. whats the pkg name? |
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