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| 00:39.06 | rev_ | MAN |
| 00:39.11 | rev_ | I MUST TELL THE WORLD |
| 00:40.16 | ljp_laptop | caps lock |
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| 00:45.50 | chouimat | kergoth: WOW |
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| 00:45.57 | kergoth | chouimat: HEHE |
| 00:46.00 | rev_ | pffft :P |
| 00:46.04 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:46.11 | chouimat | kergoth: ban :) |
| 00:46.23 | rev_ | you guys are no fun :P |
| 00:46.23 | kergoth | half price? |
| 00:46.33 | kergoth | howd ya swing that? |
| 00:46.41 | rev_ | well |
| 00:46.52 | rev_ | i shouldn't say yet |
| 00:46.57 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:46.57 | kergoth | np |
| 00:47.49 | ljp_laptop | he stole it |
| 00:48.08 | rev_ | yoinkk |
| 00:48.13 | hardwire | yeesh |
| 00:48.17 | rev_ | and felt guilty, leaving a few bucks behind |
| 00:51.18 | Solar[X] | Switched price tags at Best Buy? |
| 00:51.44 | kergoth | Solar[X]: thatd almost be funny, if it was actually sold outside of Japan. |
| 00:51.46 | kergoth | :P |
| 00:51.50 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 00:51.54 | Solar[X] | Heh |
| 00:52.15 | Solar[X] | Surely they have Best Buy in Japan, it'd only be called differently. |
| 00:52.35 | kergoth | s/Best Buy/the equivalent of a Best Buy/; |
| 00:53.00 | Solar[X] | Yeah but that kinda ruins it. |
| 00:53.10 | fishy | my friend wants to know what linux-based distro he should run on his Ipaq |
| 00:53.16 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:53.20 | kergoth | fishy: OZ! |
| 00:53.24 | kergoth | fishy: ;D |
| 00:53.32 | fishy | does that work? |
| 00:53.37 | fishy | on an Ipaq? |
| 00:53.37 | kergoth | ibot: oz-ipaq |
| 00:53.38 | | oz-ipaq is probably http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/h3600 |
| 00:53.40 | kergoth | heheh |
| 00:53.46 | kergoth | OZ supports a shitload of devices nowadays |
| 00:54.14 | kergoth | familiar 0.7 pre is pretty decent from what i hear |
| 00:54.20 | kergoth | fam & OZ are quite similar |
| 00:54.33 | fishy | kergoth: its a Xscale device, will that work too? |
| 00:55.05 | kergoth | fishy: 3900? I dont think anyone has ever tested OZ on a 3900, so i wouldnt recommend it as is, unless he feels like being a guinea pig.. we need a tester :) |
| 00:55.08 | omoore | br33zy: sweet.. have my java application on the z now using mysql+jdbc for listbox values, etc |
| 00:55.38 | omoore | br33zy: god the z is such an awsome deployment platform for custom applications |
| 00:56.01 | fishy | kergoth: I dont think he wants to be a guinea pig... |
| 00:56.18 | kergoth | fishy: hehe. then point him to the familiar 0.7 pre images |
| 00:56.23 | kergoth | fishy: handhelds.org |
| 00:56.27 | omoore | br33zy: java apps look no diff from native apps on the z and with jdbc + mysql, makes managing data a snap |
| 00:56.30 | fishy | its a h5550 |
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| 00:56.57 | fishy | (the one with the built in wifi/BT/fingerprint scanner) |
| 00:57.01 | kergoth | ah |
| 00:57.06 | kergoth | not sure what the status is on its support |
| 00:57.17 | kergoth | wrt the linux kernel, not distro specific stuff |
| 00:57.20 | kergoth | ask in #handhelds.org |
| 00:58.05 | fishy | i'll tell him to ask :) |
| 01:06.42 | Xumbi | anyone here have any experience with simpletech sd cards? |
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| 01:07.52 | fishy | Xumbi: have you checked the SD compatibility list? |
| 01:08.37 | Xumbi | I don't remember where that is |
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| 01:09.08 | Xumbi | I'm sure they're compatible, just wondered how reliable they are |
| 01:14.49 | doughecka | and that was the last we heard from him |
| 01:14.58 | br33zy | omoore: im happy everything is workin for ya, doesn't it feel good? :-) |
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| 01:25.33 | d0p | has anyone played with performance ...on SD cards? |
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| 02:25.23 | zauruslover | anyone got a MA701 netgear card here ? |
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| 02:37.05 | mewyn | hey warmi |
| 02:37.09 | warmi | hi |
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| 02:41.33 | warmi | ah ... St.Anger kicks ass |
| 02:41.41 | mewyn | St. Anger? |
| 02:42.45 | warmi | new album from Metallica |
| 02:43.00 | mutexer | the cd is fscked |
| 02:43.09 | mutexer | they sound much better "live" on the dvd |
| 02:43.19 | mutexer | they ran the cd through some screwed up filters or something |
| 02:43.24 | chouimat|away | warmi: st anger sucks |
| 02:43.31 | warmi | obviously this was an intended effect |
| 02:43.42 | warmi | sounds like it was recorded with old tape recorder |
| 02:43.43 | mutexer | it sucks.. they sound better live |
| 02:44.06 | warmi | I like it ... it has this raw , dirty sound to it |
| 02:44.39 | warmi | I always prefered their studio albums to their live performances |
| 02:44.42 | mutexer | their new stuff is different too... they almost totally removed kurt... and they repeat stuff too much |
| 02:45.32 | warmi | it is almost like punk |
| 02:45.46 | warmi | still ,much better than load/reload crap |
| 02:46.01 | chouimat | metallica lost it years ago .... they used to make the way for other bands but now they follow other bands |
| 02:46.26 | chouimat | warmi: probably but I won't buy it |
| 02:46.43 | warmi | Frantic and St.Anger simply rock |
| 02:46.46 | warmi | the rest is so so |
| 02:47.07 | chouimat | warmi: I'm downloading some kind of monster and it's ..... |
| 02:47.33 | warmi | the last great mettalica album was " and justice for all" |
| 02:47.38 | warmi | after that it was pretty much crap |
| 02:47.42 | warmi | but I like this one |
| 02:47.49 | chouimat | warmi: binge & purge was good |
| 02:49.08 | warmi | Best Buy has it for 9.99 with dvd |
| 02:49.09 | warmi | pretty good deal |
| 02:49.19 | warmi | St.Anger , that is |
| 02:50.06 | warmi | chouimat : halloween ? |
| 02:50.12 | warmi | the same trash metal guys from 80s ? |
| 02:50.17 | chouimat | warmi: yup |
| 02:50.28 | warmi | hell, I didn't know they still played |
| 02:50.30 | warmi | heh |
| 02:50.56 | chouimat | warmi: not quite the same ... only 2 original member left ... |
| 02:51.25 | warmi | well, it has been 20 after all |
| 02:51.42 | warmi | but yeah. you guys are right .. Metallica time is pretty much over |
| 02:51.57 | warmi | everyone burns one after a while |
| 02:52.04 | chouimat | warmi: one member is in Gamma Ray, the singer in anober band and the drummer die in 1994 |
| 02:52.20 | warmi | died ? what happened ? |
| 02:52.30 | chouimat | warmi: alchool |
| 02:52.49 | warmi | yeah, a "rock star death " |
| 02:52.53 | warmi | heh |
| 02:53.19 | chouimat | man Some kind of monster sucks!!!!! I can't believe it's METALLICA .... |
| 02:53.34 | mutexer | there is one song on the album that doesnt sound like metallica |
| 02:53.39 | mutexer | I dont remember which one it is |
| 02:54.28 | warmi | mutexer : if you pulled it from some mp3 sharing site then forget it .. I wanted to check it before I bought CD but everything I downloaded was some sort of bullshit labeled as Metallica's new albun |
| 02:54.52 | mutexer | Ive heard the real album |
| 02:55.00 | mutexer | my friend has it |
| 02:55.04 | warmi | ah ok |
| 02:55.15 | mutexer | the song sounds a bit like slipnot |
| 02:55.22 | mutexer | skipknot* |
| 02:56.03 | warmi | but overall it does sound like some sort of garage punk group with technically great musicians |
| 03:04.08 | warmi | :-) |
| 03:06.12 | chouimat | warmi: http://ulyx.homeunix.net:12000/yeah-down-there-dont-you-see-it.jpg |
| 03:07.00 | treke|laptop | chouimat: warn people before you post inappropriate crap |
| 03:07.13 | warmi | hehee |
| 03:07.21 | treke|laptop | this is the second fucking time in two days |
| 03:07.31 | warmi | well, while it might be inappropriate , it definately wasn't crap |
| 03:07.33 | warmi | :-) |
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| 03:07.48 | treke|laptop | warmi: yesterday he posted goatse.cx without warning |
| 03:08.18 | warmi | ah .. goatse.cx |
| 03:08.28 | treke|laptop | conveniently I was having lunch at the time |
| 03:08.38 | chouimat | treke|laptop: this one is not for you! http://www.perdu.com/ |
| 03:08.42 | warmi | man ... I saw it once . felt sick for couple of hours |
| 03:09.10 | cleverdra | arrg. |
| 03:09.25 | cleverdra | chou - I was *EATING*, you insensitive waste. |
| 03:11.00 | treke|laptop | chouimat: its generally polite to warn people who are at work and could get *fired* if something like that appeared on screen |
| 03:11.13 | chouimat | treke|laptop: k |
| 03:11.41 | mutexer | its good sense to not EVER post goatse.cx |
| 03:12.21 | mutexer | since this is #zaurus, not #gayporn |
| 03:12.41 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 03:13.46 | warmi | hah .. I guess everyone seen at one point or another goatse.cx |
| 03:14.23 | mutexer | unfortunately |
| 03:14.45 | mutexer | sometimes I wonder if the entire slashdot crowd is gay.. they talk about it so much |
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| 03:15.28 | mutexer | I dont normally |
| 03:16.33 | cleverdra | mutexer - are there enough slashdotters and infrequent enough occurences of goatse.cx mentions for each mention to be from someone who 'doesn't normally' talk much about such things? |
| 03:16.58 | mutexer | possibly |
| 03:18.19 | cleverdra | mutexer - is the ratio of non-mentioners and mentioners large enough for you to proportionally worry that everyone in this channel might be gay? |
| 03:18.46 | mutexer | no probably not |
| 03:19.09 | mutexer | wait.. are you trying to say your support posting gay porn in here? |
| 03:19.51 | cleverdra | I'm more interested in the itricasies of your wondering. |
| 03:21.01 | cleverdra | mutexer - also, I didn't even know that a #gayporn existed. You seem oddly familiar with the ways of...those people. |
| 03:21.16 | mutexer | there is a #gayporn? |
| 03:21.26 | cleverdra | mutexer - do you see many slashdotters there? |
| 03:21.39 | mutexer | I dont look at gay porn so I wouldnt know |
| 03:22.17 | cleverdra | mutexer - hm, OK. |
| 03:22.30 | cleverdra | chouimat - you look at gay porn, right? Do you see many slashdotters in #gayporn ? |
| 03:22.53 | chouimat|Zzzz | cleverdra: I don't look at gay porn ... |
| 03:23.04 | chouimat|Zzzz | I'm homophobic |
| 03:23.05 | treke|laptop | chouimat|Zzzz only makes it |
| 03:23.07 | warmi | haha |
| 03:23.19 | cleverdra | chou - you don't? Didn't you post a URL to goatse.cx? |
| 03:23.47 | warmi | chouimat|Zzzz : these day the proper response is along the lines of " I don't watch gay porn but ... there is nothing wrong with it" |
| 03:23.49 | cleverdra | and there's http://www.perdu.com/ , for course. |
| 03:24.04 | warmi | anything less and you are risking being branded bigot or some such |
| 03:24.11 | cleverdra | warmi - odd that the 'proper response' prohibits the speaker from having other than a PC opinion. |
| 03:24.30 | DaWorm | perdu.com doesnt contain anything in my browser |
| 03:24.30 | DaWorm | ? |
| 03:24.51 | chouimat|Zzzz | cleverdra: I posted the url of elinux.org/wiki that got the picture of that 'thing' on it that alls and asked how that was related to embedded linux |
| 03:24.52 | warmi | cleverdra : yep, this is what PC is all about |
| 03:24.53 | warmi | heh |
| 03:25.13 | chouimat|Zzzz | DaWorm: perdu just show a dot saying : you are here |
| 03:25.29 | cleverdra | warmi - no, chou seems fairly open about his homophobia, and he hasn't exhibited any signs of bigotry beyond that -- and that only if you take the guilty-by-association path of calling a bigot everyone who is a homophobe. |
| 03:25.50 | warmi | cleverdra : that was a "joke" you know |
| 03:26.13 | warmi | I am most likely much bigger bigot than he will ever be as far as these things are concerned |
| 03:26.14 | warmi | heh |
| 03:26.32 | chouimat|Zzzz | warmi: actuallly I have not problem with them, I just ddon't want to know how they do it |
| 03:26.33 | cleverdra | warmi - oh, how horrid! You should see someone about that. |
| 03:27.59 | cleverdra | chou - I understand that it's a lot like what some (many? I've no statistics -- and wouldn't trust them) heterosexual couples do. More properly, are you homophobic (e.g, you dislike a homosexual who has never engaged in homosexual acts) or are you homosexual-act-phobic? |
| 03:28.05 | warmi | I do have a problem with that ... it makes me sick |
| 03:28.17 | warmi | but again, that's only if I see or read about it .. beyong that , I don't give a crap |
| 03:28.45 | chouimat|Zzzz | cleverdra: I'm joking ... |
| 03:28.50 | cleverdra | chou - if you found out that your heterosexual couple did...that thing, would you react to them just as you would a gay couple? (Well, sticking with 'gay' as 'male and male') |
| 03:29.07 | cleverdra | warmi - it makes you sick? Really? |
| 03:29.48 | cleverdra | warmi - wait -- do you mean depictions of homosexual acts or the idea of them? I may not be following you. |
| 03:30.23 | chouimat|Zzzz | warmi: looking at to man kissing (that all) is like looking in a used kleenex ... you know this will be disgusting but you can't not look |
| 03:30.40 | chouimat|Zzzz | s/to man/2 men |
| 03:31.36 | warmi | cleverdra depiction: it literally makes me sick to see two guys getting at it |
| 03:31.56 | warmi | beyond that ,as I said, I don't give a damn what they do as long as I don't have to watch it |
| 03:32.16 | cleverdra | warmi - interesting. I'm never interested, and so just look elsewhere. This reaction of yours is curious. |
| 03:32.39 | cleverdra | warmi - do people of any other sexuality force you to watch them go at it? |
| 03:32.59 | cleverdra | warmi - or, wait, does 'get at it' include public displays of affection, such as kissing or hugging or handholding? |
| 03:37.50 | warmi | cleverdra: nah .. I do look elsewhere as well but I know it makes me sick, how about that ? |
| 03:38.19 | treke|home | by the time you can look elsewhere you've already seen it |
| 03:38.31 | warmi | there is not much to it ... this stuff simply makes me sick |
| 03:39.12 | warmi | it is a similar reaction to seeing someone vomit ... |
| 03:39.16 | cleverdra | warmi - do you mean that it (what? Do my examples of kissing/hugging/handholding count) *would* get you sick if you watched it, or that even a glimpse, an instant's thought of it gives you a low-grade sickness? |
| 03:39.23 | warmi | it triggers similar reaction |
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| 03:39.42 | cleverdra | warmi - erm, seeing it inspires you to imitate it? |
| 03:40.11 | cleverdra | warmi - oh, sorry, I know what you mean. |
| 03:40.16 | warmi | nah .. inspires me to vomit .. it is a spontaneus reaction similar to when you see other peopel vomiting |
| 03:41.14 | cleverdra | warmi - but I'm still unclear on what precisely makes you sick. Does kissing/hugging/handholding make you sick? Do any of the sexual practices of gay males make you sick, when used by a heterosexual couple? |
| 03:43.08 | warmi | franly, I won't go into this thing any deeper ... let's just say that any sort of sexual acts between two males ( and only two males ) makes me sick |
| 03:43.22 | warmi | make what you want out of it but that's how I handle this stuff |
| 03:43.28 | treke|home | what about three? :p |
| 03:44.00 | warmi | that's a fucking orgy ... don't even go there |
| 03:44.01 | warmi | heh |
| 03:44.14 | cleverdra | Three people is an orgy? |
| 03:45.24 | cleverdra | chou - you're not alone, there =) |
| 03:45.40 | warmi | cleverdra: well. that depends on your personal standards for what constitutes an orgy |
| 03:45.40 | cleverdra | chou - interestingly, there exist people who are sickened by the thought. |
| 03:45.40 | warmi | heh |
| 03:46.08 | cleverdra | warmi - I wouldn't call anything less than 3 people an orgy, unless the couple was *really* into it. |
| 03:46.29 | cleverdra | warmi - there's always www.dict.org, though. |
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| 03:47.03 | warmi | which itself is heavily influenced by PC these days |
| 03:47.16 | cleverdra | warmi - the dictionaries, you mean? |
| 03:47.22 | warmi | yeah |
| 03:47.34 | warmi | www.dict.org in this case |
| 03:47.49 | cleverdra | warmi - that's odd. What is there in a definition to be PC about? |
| 03:49.00 | warmi | uh .. one would be hard pressed to find a better field for PC enthusiasts that this |
| 03:49.08 | warmi | definitions is what PC is all about |
| 03:49.09 | warmi | heh |
| 03:49.30 | aTypical | What kind of PC are you guys talking about? |
| 03:49.55 | warmi | the other PC |
| 03:50.29 | cleverdra | warmi - I assumed that PC usually meant that a person who serially raped children from a position of authority can only be referred to as a "sex offender", but I didn't realize that PC attempted to subvert the meanings of, say, 'serially rape'. |
| 03:50.33 | warmi | political correctness |
| 03:51.13 | warmi | it most certainly did .. |
| 03:51.13 | aTypical | Oh, sounds like too much fun. |
| 03:51.31 | warmi | the concept of rape is very diferent today than it used to be say 50 years ago |
| 03:51.48 | cleverdra | warmi - hm, examples? This is really a surprise to me -- I thought that PC used neologisms and avoidance. |
| 03:52.00 | cleverdra | warmi - OK. How is it different? |
| 03:52.42 | warmi | it used to be that the concept of rape simply meant a physical act of rape |
| 03:52.58 | warmi | these days there are other kinds of rape ... like date-rape etc |
| 03:53.28 | cleverdra | ... date-rape being an elaboration on rape -- how does that subvert the concept of rape? |
| 03:54.06 | warmi | basically it is much more vague and open for interpretation - unfortunately for many falsely accused it still caries the same heavy social stigma ( not to mention criminal penalties) |
| 03:54.21 | cleverdra | Well, when you say 'date-rape' I think of drugs and, well, rapes that happen to occur on a date. Are you thinking of something else? (Women that cry 'rape' when their date briefly touches their (the female's) arm?) |
| 03:55.54 | warmi | well, hopefull it is not that bad yet |
| 03:56.16 | cleverdra | That's happened. |
| 03:57.02 | warmi | well, it is one thing being acused but another being convicted |
| 03:57.41 | cleverdra | Indeed. |
| 03:58.00 | warmi | on the other hand .... just the mere fact of being accused of something like that carries is often more than enough to ruin ones life |
| 03:58.18 | warmi | scratch "carries" |
| 03:59.00 | treke|home | the only difference between being accused an being convicted is the jail time |
| 04:00.59 | warmi | I don't have any details on hand but I remember reading about guys being accused of rape after what started as a consensual sex .. I mean, these things are very hard to disprove and , as I said before, once the accusation is made - the game is pretty much over |
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| 04:04.23 | cleverdra | Fortunately, women don't seem to like to make false accusations. |
| 04:07.06 | warmi | hmm .. really ? I thought women were humans—with all their frailties and shortcomings. |
| 04:07.10 | warmi | :-) |
| 04:08.15 | cleverdra | Well, men seem even more reluctant to make false accusations of rape =) |
| 04:08.48 | warmi | hah .. I won't dispute that one |
| 04:08.59 | treke|home | men would be laughed out of the police station. |
| 04:10.27 | warmi | ahh .. enough of this |
| 04:10.59 | warmi | I mean, I don't mind talking politics etc .. but rape and physicall effects of watching gay porn is a bit too much |
| 04:11.19 | warmi | this is a frigging #Zaurus after all |
| 04:11.21 | treke|home | speaking of gay porn. tv time. later |
| 04:17.51 | cyn | i didn't catch the gay porn reference, was he bringing something in from his personal life? |
| 04:18.33 | warmi | well, if you really want to know .. scroll up |
| 04:19.02 | warmi | hell, it was all chouimat fault anyway .. he started with goatse.cx and all that stuff :-) |
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| 04:46.07 | omoore | man.. i gotta say.. zaurus + mysql + java rocks for embedded applications |
| 04:46.22 | omoore | this thing is unbelievable... |
| 04:46.34 | treke|home | I dont believe it |
| 04:46.35 | omoore | apps run so nicely on it |
| 04:46.39 | omoore | heh.. what |
| 04:46.43 | omoore | oh.. |
| 04:46.45 | omoore | heh |
| 04:46.46 | warmi | well, I would rather use sqlite |
| 04:46.52 | warmi | but yeah, mysql will work as well |
| 04:46.53 | omoore | what's sqlite? |
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| 04:47.10 | omoore | yah.. i'll google it |
| 04:47.23 | warmi | sort of like access for Linux .... a file based database system with SQL interface .. perfect for embedded applications |
| 04:47.33 | warmi | Version 2.1.0 changes: |
| 04:47.34 | omoore | i see |
| 04:47.34 | warmi | Well, the original game was compiled for a Linux based PDA platform and consequently the port |
| 04:47.35 | warmi | is using a lot of original code. |
| 04:47.36 | warmi | The problem is that while this code is perfectly fine and run perfectly well on the Linux PDA OS it |
| 04:47.37 | warmi | does have some performance problems on some PocketPC devices. |
| 04:47.38 | warmi | The issue is related to the extremely poor performance of the memory allocation routines in PPC OS. |
| 04:47.39 | warmi | Basically, the code uses a lot of small memory allocations which normally are not a big deal but for some |
| 04:47.40 | warmi | reason on PPC this can overtime slow down the application ( most likely memory fragmentation). |
| 04:47.42 | warmi | There is no memory leaking or anything like it is |
| 04:47.42 | warmi | just PPC simply cannot handle this kind of desktop style memory allocation. |
| 04:47.44 | warmi | This can be easily fixed by creating custom memory allocator for the most basic collection classes and this |
| 04:47.46 | warmi | is in fact what I implemented in my new upcoming game ... |
| 04:47.48 | warmi | Another issue is slow graphic performance of some of XScale based devices. Basically this game was written |
| 04:47.50 | warmi | with hard coded assumption that it will always run at 50 fps - not a best way of handling this kind of issues but it was |
| 04:47.51 | omoore | wow |
| 04:47.53 | warmi | working well on a Zaurus PDA. It also worked pretty well on some PPC devices ( Arm 206 based) but it turns out that |
| 04:47.56 | warmi | Xscale devices simply cannot handle 50 fps and the whole thing becomes slow. |
| 04:47.58 | warmi | The way around this is to introduce time , as opposed to frame rate, based game loop ( including animation etc ) which is |
| 04:48.01 | warmi | exactly what I did in my current game. |
| 04:48.01 | omoore | holy crap |
| 04:48.03 | warmi | I didn't want to bother with that for Anigma but I did make a change limiting the number of backbuffer flips ( inside of CGapiApplication.cpp). |
| 04:48.06 | warmi | The code simply looks for GDERR_FRAMETIMEOVERFLOW and if the device cannot handle 50 fps , it will decrease number of backbuffer |
| 04:48.09 | warmi | flips - again, this only applies to the backbuffer flip - the game loop ( input , logic etc) runs at full speed. |
| 04:48.12 | warmi | The idea is to sacrifice animation fps to boost overall responsiveness of the game. |
| 04:48.14 | warmi | Other changes are a new option for displaying number of pieces of each color on the board and a new dialog for selecting |
| 04:48.17 | warmi | starting level. |
| 04:48.19 | warmi | Walter Rawdanik |
| 04:48.21 | warmi | oh shit |
| 04:48.23 | warmi | sorry .. |
| 04:48.25 | warmi | I had that in my paste buffer |
| 04:48.27 | warmi | I meant to paste URL |
| 04:48.29 | warmi | http://www.sqlite.org/ |
| 04:48.35 | omoore | heh.. whups |
| 04:48.55 | warmi | this was a frigging ReadMe for the source code for my Puzz-le port of Pocket PC devices |
| 04:49.00 | warmi | disregard it :-) |
| 04:49.02 | warmi | sorry again |
| 04:50.25 | warmi | btw... sqlite is faster than mysql |
| 04:50.59 | warmi | it really depends what you want to do ... if you want to use it as a sort of data collection device that will later transfer the data to some other "real" database |
| 04:51.09 | warmi | then sqlite will do the job very nicely |
| 04:51.39 | omoore | i use mysql cause... |
| 04:51.48 | omoore | when the app gets in range of the base station... |
| 04:51.57 | omoore | it syncs with the master db (802.11b) |
| 04:52.03 | warmi | the only problem with mysql is that it is realatively heavy since it comes with entire network interface and is a basically a multiuser databse |
| 04:52.05 | omoore | (medical software) |
| 04:52.11 | warmi | ah ok .. if it works for you then it no problem |
| 04:52.17 | omoore | yeah |
| 04:52.18 | treke|home | warmi: you tried the embedded version? |
| 04:52.27 | warmi | treke : of mysql ? |
| 04:52.31 | omoore | i'll check out the one you note tho.. when i have free cycles |
| 04:52.34 | treke|home | yes |
| 04:52.45 | warmi | I didn't know they even had one |
| 04:52.47 | warmi | heh |
| 04:52.48 | omoore | treke|home: cool.. is the the zaurus ipk that's floating? |
| 04:52.54 | omoore | treke|home: or is there another? |
| 04:53.05 | treke|home | the zaurus ipk is plain mysql iirc |
| 04:53.11 | omoore | i got the one i'm using from the zaaurus software index |
| 04:53.30 | warmi | is it an official embedded fork on mysql or is it something someone knocked out in his/her spare time ? |
| 04:53.30 | omoore | you are referring to something different? |
| 04:53.41 | treke|home | warmi: its part of mysql proper |
| 04:53.47 | warmi | ah , interesting |
| 04:54.07 | omoore | sweet.. how do you find out about it.. on their site? (didn't see one in downloads) |
| 04:54.07 | treke|home | http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/libmysqld.html |
| 04:54.10 | omoore | thx |
| 04:54.13 | warmi | omoore : btw .. how is the "real" mysql running on the zurus ? not too slow ? |
| 04:54.26 | omoore | warmi: fantastic... |
| 04:54.49 | warmi | ah .. so this is just like sqlite .. dll based -application embedded mysql |
| 04:54.50 | warmi | interesting |
| 04:54.55 | omoore | i use it to store drop down data, listbox data, user data, configuration data.. etc... |
| 04:55.18 | treke|home | warmi: more or less |
| 04:55.21 | omoore | it's faster than using text files for configuration, etc... |
| 04:55.23 | omoore | by far |
| 04:55.26 | warmi | omoore : ah , I bet the slower part is java GUI itself ;-) |
| 04:55.34 | omoore | nope... |
| 04:55.41 | omoore | insignia jvm on zaurus rocks |
| 04:55.49 | omoore | freaking flies |
| 04:56.22 | omoore | i have no problems at all with java apps on zaurus... |
| 04:56.42 | warmi | well, depends what you want to do ... for basic data input applications it will work nice |
| 04:56.42 | omoore | and that's what i code the ui in exclusively.. java ui coding is so dam easy |
| 04:57.06 | omoore | mine includes mulit media application for doing audio record/playback... |
| 04:57.08 | warmi | if you get into more complicated stuff like resizable tables etc . it gets slow .. at least compared to native qte code |
| 04:57.10 | omoore | patient capture,... |
| 04:57.11 | omoore | etc |
| 04:57.20 | omoore | yeah.. maybe... |
| 04:57.32 | omoore | but it's worked fantastic for me.. plus... |
| 04:57.44 | omoore | i tried using apache+php... |
| 04:57.56 | omoore | but using screen taps on the browser blows |
| 04:58.05 | warmi | omoore : I am not dissing java .. coding in Java is my day job |
| 04:58.08 | warmi | heh |
| 04:58.09 | omoore | right.. |
| 04:58.15 | omoore | not taking it that way.. |
| 04:58.24 | omoore | i really wanted to use apache + php for the apps... |
| 04:58.37 | warmi | you mean like running them in opera or soemthing ? |
| 04:58.39 | omoore | but too cumbersome when it comes to clicking on the browser ... |
| 04:58.41 | omoore | right |
| 04:58.48 | omoore | apache + php was fine... |
| 04:58.54 | treke|home | web uis tend to suck compared to native apps :) |
| 04:58.58 | omoore | opera isn't very good for ui interaction tho... |
| 04:59.01 | omoore | big time |
| 04:59.02 | treke|home | too much down time |
| 04:59.05 | warmi | yeah, well .. beside HTML based UI can be a bit limiting |
| 04:59.17 | omoore | plus... |
| 04:59.23 | omoore | opera does javascript well.. |
| 04:59.31 | omoore | but konq on the z blows for javascript |
| 04:59.43 | omoore | ven tho it's better at usability for clicking on the screen etc |
| 05:00.08 | omoore | the "rea" app means all control thru the entire app.. everything .. is via the navigation keys/cliker |
| 05:00.09 | warmi | well, if java works for you then that's all you need ... |
| 05:00.11 | warmi | heh |
| 05:00.14 | omoore | yup |
| 05:00.22 | omoore | i'd like to use qt too... |
| 05:00.28 | omoore | but not a c/c++ coder yet |
| 05:00.32 | omoore | tho... |
| 05:00.49 | omoore | sharp/qt/insignia did java right on the z... |
| 05:00.52 | warmi | you won't win any accolades for beauty of your UI ( asuming you are using default AWT) but if it works then who cares |
| 05:00.52 | treke|home | qte is cool, but occaisionally it does odd things |
| 05:00.54 | omoore | no visual difference |
| 05:01.11 | omoore | warmi: actualy.. awt on the z is great... |
| 05:01.19 | omoore | warmi: looks native.. can't even tell... |
| 05:01.29 | warmi | well, the problem is that AWT doesn't support many more compilcated ( and sometimes usefull) widgets on the qte side |
| 05:01.40 | warmi | for example like HTML widget - I love that one |
| 05:01.40 | omoore | warmi: i see |
| 05:01.50 | omoore | yeah... awt is limiting... |
| 05:01.54 | warmi | http://www.warmi.net/zaurus/nfdb.shtml |
| 05:01.57 | omoore | like having multiple column selects |
| 05:02.00 | omoore | er... |
| 05:02.00 | warmi | see that screenshot on the left ? |
| 05:02.09 | warmi | this UI I wrote using Qte HTML widget |
| 05:02.13 | warmi | and backend using sqlite |
| 05:02.28 | omoore | nice |
| 05:02.46 | warmi | as I said, if you want to go fancy then AWT can be a bit limiting |
| 05:02.53 | warmi | there is another java toolkit available for the zaurus |
| 05:02.53 | omoore | yes.. agreed |
| 05:02.56 | warmi | UI toolkit that is |
| 05:02.57 | omoore | yeah... |
| 05:03.06 | omoore | but i tend to stick with the 'official'... |
| 05:03.13 | cleverdra | omoore |
| 05:03.15 | omoore | i have too many units to support/setup/install/etc |
| 05:03.24 | omoore | cleverdra: what's up |
| 05:03.26 | cleverdra | sigh. Laptop keyboard. omoore - do you intend to develop on the Zaurus? |
| 05:03.40 | omoore | warmi: i'm configuring 120 units alone in a couple weeks |
| 05:03.57 | omoore | cleverdra: i develop apps on the desktop and copy to the z |
| 05:04.01 | omoore | cleverdra: that is... |
| 05:04.02 | warmi | http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=739 |
| 05:04.05 | cleverdra | That is, do you intend to develop your programs on the Z, as opposed to developing them on a PC. |
| 05:04.10 | cleverdra | omoore - OK. Just curious. |
| 05:04.11 | warmi | looks pretty nice .. but I don't know how good it is |
| 05:04.13 | omoore | cleverdra: i develop FOR the z.. but not ON the z |
| 05:04.26 | warmi | uh ... I can't imagine developing on the Z :-) |
| 05:04.32 | omoore | me either... |
| 05:04.41 | omoore | at best.. i'd have to do it via vnc :) |
| 05:05.00 | cleverdra | or ssh and vim -- that is, I *would* use ssh and vim if my Z could maintain a bloody connection. |
| 05:05.22 | omoore | i've had a ssh session open with my z for 3 days now |
| 05:05.27 | omoore | (5600) |
| 05:05.28 | cleverdra | anyway, why can't you imagine developing on the Z? |
| 05:05.44 | omoore | speed, power, SIZE OF THE DISPLAY! :D |
| 05:05.55 | warmi | not to mention crappy keyboard |
| 05:05.55 | cleverdra | omoore - I've a 5500. I hope that newer ROMs (newer than the factory-default ROM I have -- I don't have a CF card, yet) fix the problem. |
| 05:06.11 | omoore | heh.. yeah. . that too |
| 05:06.16 | omoore | i ahve a 5500 too... |
| 05:06.23 | warmi | I have 5000d |
| 05:06.24 | omoore | i've never had problems with ssh on it .. |
| 05:06.24 | warmi | heh |
| 05:06.29 | cleverdra | warmi - also likewise. |
| 05:06.31 | omoore | i do backups via scp even |
| 05:06.39 | aTypical | I like my 5500. |
| 05:06.48 | omoore | cause i can backup every unit we have deployed using scp |
| 05:06.52 | cleverdra | omoore - I don't have problems with ssh, I have problems with maintaining a USB ethernet connection between it and my laptop. |
| 05:06.54 | omoore | and a scrpt running on the z |
| 05:07.04 | omoore | ohh! i see... |
| 05:07.10 | omoore | that sucks |
| 05:07.16 | warmi | cleverdra : just get yourself CF ethernet card .. |
| 05:07.17 | omoore | i've always used wireless nics |
| 05:07.24 | warmi | we talking here $35 purchase |
| 05:07.34 | omoore | cleverdra: you know you can get a wireless nic for your laptop and z each and ad-hoc network them... |
| 05:07.39 | omoore | cleverdra: no need ofr a wireless router |
| 05:07.53 | warmi | I could never get USB to work with my Z |
| 05:07.54 | omoore | cleverdra: and total cost would be only about $100 |
| 05:08.07 | omoore | plus... |
| 05:08.19 | omoore | you'd have wireless connection for other things/places... |
| 05:08.33 | cleverdra | Excellent suggestions, both. Thank you. |
| 05:08.59 | warmi | omoore : how many Zs you manged to deploy so far ? |
| 05:09.06 | omoore | warmi: 40 |
| 05:09.19 | omoore | warmi: but we ahve 3 big contracts going thru.. well.. |
| 05:09.24 | omoore | warmi: big to us anyway :) |
| 05:09.31 | warmi | this is the kind of market Sharp was going after with 5600 |
| 05:09.48 | omoore | warmi: yeah.. we are talking with them |
| 05:10.05 | omoore | warmi: they helped us get some 5600's for development a few weeks before the launch |
| 05:10.12 | warmi | too bad the thing is just too damn expensive when compared to similar PPC devices |
| 05:10.27 | omoore | warmi: but soo much more power |
| 05:10.40 | warmi | well, you can get java on your PPC as well |
| 05:10.42 | omoore | warmi: no way we could do the things we are doing on a pocket pc |
| 05:10.46 | warmi | you won't get mysql though |
| 05:10.47 | warmi | heh |
| 05:10.50 | omoore | warmi: it's not just that... |
| 05:11.03 | omoore | warmi: its' mysql, ssh abilities, etc... |
| 05:11.20 | omoore | warmi: cause all db traffic with the host is via ssh tunnel, and many many other issues |
| 05:11.26 | warmi | yeah, not to mention that PPC OS sucks |
| 05:11.34 | omoore | warmi: plus.. PPC tcp/ip performance blows when you compare to z |
| 05:11.37 | warmi | I mean interally it simply sucks |
| 05:11.59 | warmi | it is more like a toy similar to Palm then to Embedded Linux |
| 05:12.02 | omoore | warmi: pocket ie in particular is way too slow |
| 05:12.08 | warmi | I learned that fact the hard way |
| 05:12.25 | omoore | warmi: i stick with palm for pim stuff.. z for real apps |
| 05:12.33 | omoore | (well.. for pda stuff anyway) |
| 05:12.47 | omoore | it's a shame the pim apps on the z are 'fair' |
| 05:12.55 | omoore | i mean, they don't blow... |
| 05:13.03 | omoore | but i like palms usability for pim apps better |
| 05:13.22 | omoore | ok.. reeeeealy gotta go.. l8r |
| 05:13.26 | warmi | I don't know much about that .. I never used my PDAs as .. well PDAs |
| 05:13.30 | warmi | :-) |
| 05:13.35 | omoore | heh |
| 05:13.49 | warmi | ok , good night |
| 05:18.32 | omoore | hey infact... |
| 05:18.37 | omoore | i gotta q for anyone... |
| 05:18.56 | omoore | i'm currently looking for a reliable command line audio recording app... |
| 05:19.18 | omoore | one that can write wav, ogg, or mp3 (any of those will work) |
| 05:19.32 | omoore | getting ready to hack one out myself if i can't find one... |
| 05:19.37 | omoore | i'm using shine at the moment... |
| 05:19.43 | omoore | but it seems a bit unreliable |
| 05:20.08 | omoore | i'd relaly like to get the linux 'record' command compiled for it.. but i havn't been successful |
| 05:20.35 | treke|home | get it from debian |
| 05:20.43 | omoore | the record command? |
| 05:20.47 | omoore | it's available? |
| 05:20.49 | treke|home | yes |
| 05:20.52 | omoore | sweet... |
| 05:20.52 | treke|home | its debian |
| 05:20.55 | treke|home | everything is in debian |
| 05:21.01 | omoore | please assist.. |
| 05:21.08 | omoore | where do i go.. debian.org... |
| 05:21.19 | omoore | and get whatever the record package is in for the arm paltform? |
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| 05:22.50 | omoore | treke|home: can you give me some guidance on what/where to go? is starting at debian's website the place? |
| 05:23.08 | omoore | treke|home: then obtaining the package for the arm architecutre? |
| 05:23.20 | omoore | treke|home: i'm not clear on what the process would be |
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| 06:16.00 | pole | where can i get more info on the usbdnet driver? |
| 06:16.09 | pole | i'm wondering if it works with 2.5.x kernels |
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| 06:17.10 | pole | Note that Linux kernel 2.4.21-pre3 and newer have support for both the SL-5500 and the SL-5600 in the included usbnet driver. Newer 2.5.x kernels do as well. |
| 06:17.12 | pole | hmm... |
| 06:17.15 | mithro | there is something in the 2.5.x kernels already |
| 06:17.30 | pole | so just use the usbnet driver? |
| 06:17.57 | mithro | just use the one in the kernel if you have a new enough one... |
| 06:18.07 | pole | i see |
| 06:18.33 | pole | long time ago you needed to use the usbdnet driver... but now just usbnet works eh? |
| 06:18.45 | pole | does that mean i can now plug in both my Z and my ipaq at the same time? |
| 06:20.17 | mithro | yeah, dunno about that... |
| 06:20.25 | cleverdra | well, my SL 5500 has the feature of spontaneously losing USB ethernet connections. You might find CF ethernet cards or wireless ethernet easier, as suggested to me. |
| 06:20.30 | mithro | don't have an iPAQ |
| 06:20.46 | mithro | cleverdra: 2.4.21/2.5.x ? |
| 06:21.40 | cleverdra | sorry; this is with a Windows 2000 laptop. |
| 06:21.50 | pole | cleverdra: i can sync over a wifi connection? |
| 06:21.52 | mithro | ahh :) |
| 06:21.58 | mithro | pole: yeah... |
| 06:22.05 | mithro | just change your security settings... |
| 06:22.10 | pole | mithro: umkay... |
| 06:23.02 | cleverdra | pole - you might be happier with ssh and your own desktop-side sync software. |
| 06:24.47 | mithro | Multisync is suppose to work well with Opie |
| 06:25.39 | mchang | mithro: is it possible to sync over wifi with intellisync? I thought not. |
| 06:26.04 | pole | cleverdra: i wanted to try kitchensync |
| 06:26.12 | mithro | never used intellisync, but i can't see why not.... |
| 06:26.38 | mchang | mithro: won't let you sync to your Z if it's in the same subnet. |
| 06:27.10 | mithro | mchang: well then you just need to get it nat box to make it on the same subnet then ;) |
| 06:27.43 | mchang | mithro: right :)... seems a bit of a hassle then... heh |
| 06:36.58 | pole | KitchenSync: 0.0.6-1 |
| 06:37.16 | pole | but the thing is nothing like the "Setting it up" info on http://www.handhelds.org/~zecke/kitchensync.html#setup |
| 06:39.54 | pole | if i clicke the "loaded" checkbox next to the device, it gets erased |
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| 07:02.45 | zauruslover | hi there a split ? |
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| 12:41.54 | klicker | some1 got CF modem & SHARP 3.1 ROM? |
| 12:42.14 | klicker | .....working? |
| 12:58.09 | zoid | what's the best email app for the zaurus? |
| 12:58.21 | zoid | i've been using qtmail, but it's too slow |
| 12:58.21 | cyn | ssh :P |
| 12:58.43 | zoid | cyn: well i like to sync my mail, and read it later (when i have no network access) |
| 12:59.08 | wijnand | is the sharp 3.10 rom (much) better than the 2.x version? |
| 13:02.37 | ljp_laptop | depends |
| 13:02.49 | wijnand | heh |
| 13:05.40 | Aimio | no no no |
| 13:06.03 | Aimio | I updated to 3.1 and now I've lost all contact, having to buy a CF card to rescue |
| 13:06.22 | ljp_laptop | the pim data is a new database not compatible with the old |
| 13:06.44 | ljp_laptop | it uses smaba now for connectivity, instead of ftp |
| 13:06.55 | ljp_laptop | samba |
| 13:06.58 | wijnand | samba is a bad thing imho |
| 13:07.14 | wijnand | scp would be best |
| 13:11.55 | paq_ | samba is real convenient for those windows users though.. least we (hopefully) get some mindshare off it.. |
| 13:12.45 | wijnand | too bad i'm not one of them, but yeah i'm gonna give it a go |
| 13:13.09 | wijnand | you reckon i can install ssh off the openzaurus feed? |
| 13:14.48 | paq_ | hey, it shouldn't be a big deal for those who wanna use ssh to set it up for sync anyway... btw, unison is a good sync program that can use ssh and easy to setup.. |
| 13:15.33 | wijnand | unison? pardon my ignorance but it doesn't ring a bell |
| 13:23.40 | cleverdra | aimio - how have you lost all contact? Why couldn't you ftp from the Z? |
| 13:24.47 | ljp_laptop | 3.1 rom doesnt use the ftp server for sync |
| 13:25.03 | cleverdra | ljp - 'lost all connectivity'; 'ftp from the Z' |
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| 13:25.51 | cleverdra | ljp - aimio spoke of this the other day, but I thought 'ftp from the Z and grap an ftpd/sshd' solved the problem. |
| 13:27.46 | cyn | doesn't matter either way |
| 13:27.51 | Aimio | nope, after installing 3.1 -> can ping Z but any other comms either way takes down usbdnet . could be a kernel problem though |
| 13:27.58 | cyn | they changed the data format anyway, di?dn't they |
| 13:28.16 | cleverdra | cyn - data format? What? |
| 13:28.38 | cyn | didn't they change from xml to a binary data storage for speed/etc. ? |
| 13:29.33 | Aimio | http://12.216.237.27:40002/zaurus__gps/usingit.html <- power :p |
| 13:31.07 | ljp_laptop | yes, the 3.1 rom has new database |
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| 14:21.27 | mrwoody | will it be possible eventually to boot from a cf card? |
| 14:22.13 | kergoth | people using OZ wrote howtos on booting from sd or cf |
| 14:25.25 | mrwoody | ibot: howto |
| 14:25.25 | | [howto] at http://docs.zaurus.com/ or see xcompile for cross compiler setup |
| 14:25.36 | kergoth | not there |
| 14:25.40 | kergoth | not sure the url offhand |
| 14:25.44 | mrwoody | kergoth: where can i find it? |
| 14:25.46 | mrwoody | okie |
| 14:25.48 | kergoth | search the mailing list archives, and check the faqs on openzaurus.lorg |
| 14:25.53 | kergoth | s/lorg/org/ |
| 14:25.56 | mrwoody | ok |
| 14:26.11 | mrwoody | so i could have openzaurus and the sharp rom at the same time? |
| 14:26.39 | kergoth | yeah, you could boot one or the other off of sd or cf |
| 14:26.53 | mrwoody | cool... |
| 14:26.53 | mrwoody | thanks |
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| 15:12.38 | chouimat | morning |
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| 15:26.23 | chouimat | hey warmi |
| 15:26.26 | warmi | hi |
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| 16:25.59 | icefox | so whats the bad news today? |
| 16:26.05 | mrwoody | ? |
| 16:26.20 | mrwoody | why bad news? |
| 16:26.37 | icefox | hehe I am in the zaurus channel, why do you think |
| 16:27.12 | mrwoody | how about good news? do u know anything about the 3.10 rom for sl5000? |
| 16:27.32 | cyn | I know someone was in here last week with a link to one asking about it |
| 16:27.33 | icefox | nope |
| 16:27.38 | icefox | no longer work for sharp |
| 16:27.42 | cyn | if that someones you, you should break down and try it :) |
| 16:27.54 | cyn | it wasn't official, it was based on the 3.1 |
| 16:28.25 | icefox | on the 3.1? |
| 16:28.25 | mrwoody | cyn: i believe that someone said something about the crow image... |
| 16:28.39 | mrwoody | cyn: not about the ufficial one |
| 16:28.57 | mrwoody | cyn: I have tried the crowl image but it is very unstable |
| 16:29.07 | mrwoody | or maybe crow |
| 16:29.14 | icefox | indeed |
| 16:29.47 | mrwoody | icefox: do u know if spencer stops by here ? |
| 16:30.17 | icefox | no clue. After I left I heard they band the sharpsec.com domain from entering here |
| 16:30.18 | icefox | :-) |
| 16:30.32 | mrwoody | i see! ;-) |
| 16:31.11 | icefox | either way the z's that I own are just sitting here |
| 16:31.17 | icefox | just ordered a PalmV so I am happy |
| 16:31.35 | icefox | getting something with a real battery life |
| 16:31.49 | mrwoody | revenge against sharp? ;-) |
| 16:31.57 | icefox | na, the palmV is just better |
| 16:32.31 | icefox | can you even imagine not having to change the battery on the z in 3 months? |
| 16:33.04 | mrwoody | 3 months wow... usually i change it every 3 hours |
| 16:33.31 | icefox | exactly |
| 16:33.45 | icefox | with my old PalmV I changed its batteries every 2-3 months |
| 16:34.34 | mrwoody | but you can't use linux on it, can you? |
| 16:34.51 | icefox | so |
| 16:35.00 | icefox | I have linux on a dozen things in my house |
| 16:35.14 | mrwoody | well for me that is the all point, so that i can show around! ;-) |
| 16:35.16 | icefox | on my pda if it can't hold a charge it doesn't really matter what it runs |
| 16:36.05 | icefox | on a pda I need pim and battery life. Everything else is second. The Zaurus can't provide that for me so even though it runs linux it gets chucked |
| 16:36.21 | icefox | what do you honestly think will be the eof for the 5000D? |
| 16:36.34 | mrwoody | eof? |
| 16:36.44 | icefox | end of life (in sharps eyes) |
| 16:37.01 | mrwoody | when or what? ;-) |
| 16:37.04 | icefox | when |
| 16:37.24 | cyn | icefox: you should get a clie |
| 16:37.26 | icefox | I mean I had to fight to get th 5500 update (which I guess is also a 5000 update), but do you honestly think there will be another one? |
| 16:37.31 | cyn | the 20 is going for $120 |
| 16:37.35 | cyn | and the color model is only $200 |
| 16:37.40 | icefox | PalmV for $30 |
| 16:37.43 | icefox | :-D |
| 16:37.46 | cyn | bleh |
| 16:37.49 | cyn | 160x160 |
| 16:37.52 | cyn | palmv is sexy tho |
| 16:37.58 | cyn | clie's are sexier |
| 16:38.02 | cyn | but 30 is a nice deal to be sure |
| 16:38.21 | cyn | I'm tempted to buy the clie 20 before it disappears |
| 16:38.25 | icefox | yah clie's are sexier, but I had a palmV before so I still have the cabels, pens etc so I only need a good unit. |
| 16:38.39 | cyn | coz my wife has my 415 (older model) but the 20's got better vis. etc. |
| 16:40.11 | mrwoody | icefox: anyway do u know how cacko/crow managed to port the 3.1 to the 5000? |
| 16:40.30 | kergoth | mrwoody: all that needs changing is the kernel config wrt mtdram size and mem= |
| 16:41.16 | mrwoody | okie... so it is just a matter to compile it ex novo? |
| 16:41.42 | kergoth | yep. not much to it. |
| 17:03.34 | klicker | pppd broken in 3.1? |
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| 17:13.03 | zauruslover | Hi ! Is there life here ? |
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| 17:15.18 | zauruslover | Hopefully, on my quest today, someone can help me out with my MA701 and C750 ? No luck over the last few days :( ... I can't get it to connect ... would appreciate if someone could send me the config from wlan-ng.conf |
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| 17:32.48 | chouimat|away | bbl |
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| 18:39.45 | cleverdra | say oh. yeah. 256M CF. |
| 18:40.02 | cleverdra | sorry =) I also play a mudder. |
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| 18:56.33 | t3rmin4t0r | does anyone know if Portable.net JIT works on Zaurus ? |
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| 19:13.56 | t3rmin4t0r | anyone testing .NET on Zaurus ? |
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| 19:20.38 | mortck | re all |
| 19:22.22 | mortck | anybody can tell me the difference between the zaurus sold in the states and in germany? |
| 19:22.28 | mortck | besides the different rom..? |
| 19:23.08 | yeiazel | the keyboard |
| 19:23.11 | yeiazel | qwerty/qwertz |
| 19:23.19 | yeiazel | (sl-5500 & sl-5500g) |
| 19:23.40 | yeiazel | it's the only hardware difference |
| 19:24.13 | yeiazel | zauruses with a qwerty kb can be found in germany too... |
| 19:24.50 | mortck | thanks ;) |
| 19:25.04 | mortck | i guess it can be flashed with the german version`? |
| 19:25.17 | mortck | so the y will work as z? |
| 19:25.50 | mortck | or is there any lock? |
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| 19:47.32 | mortck | hmm, no answer? |
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| 20:19.31 | t3rmin4t0r | kergoth: somebody has already built .ipks.. http://handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/136/13601.html |
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| 20:24.43 | TeaX | can anyone try to download http://community.zaurus.com/download.php/164/tximage_0.1_arm.ipk? thanks |
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| 20:26.33 | TeaX | tell me if you get an error downloading the ipk |
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| 20:32.52 | alexw | no errors, file size was 58585 bytes |
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| 21:47.02 | chouimat | back |
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| 21:49.42 | chouimat | hi mewyn |
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