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| 00:40.09 | cleverdra | yay |
| 00:40.40 | cleverdra | Are there any other zaurus-related channels on this network? |
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| 00:41.05 | flipdesk | #openzaurus |
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| 00:41.29 | High_Voltz | #openzaurus |
| 00:41.39 | High_Voltz | look at the topic |
| 00:42.41 | cleverdra | indeed. Thanks. |
| 00:44.05 | flipdesk | transfering large files to an sd card over wireless sucks :-) |
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| 00:46.52 | Xumbi | does it? |
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| 01:23.34 | oz | what kernel is provided in the rom 3.10 |
| 01:24.23 | ljp_laptop | 2.4.6 |
| 01:24.40 | oz | how about http://www.cacko.biz/zaurus.html#3.10 |
| 01:24.46 | oz | why is there 2.4.18? |
| 01:25.34 | cyn | 5600 and c700/750/760 run 2.4.18 kernels |
| 01:26.05 | oz | cyn: did u read the link that i sent? |
| 01:26.19 | cyn | that either doesn't have sd/mmc support, or it's a fancy backport using the module for that provided |
| 01:26.20 | oz | is talking about sl5000 |
| 01:26.35 | oz | cyn: ? |
| 01:26.54 | cyn | if you don't understand what I'm saying I don't see why you care what kernel version is running? |
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| 01:27.29 | oz | cyn: my question is .. is there a kernel for the zaurus sl5000 above 2.4.6 |
| 01:27.41 | cyn | undoubtedly somewhere |
| 01:27.49 | cyn | that is one |
| 01:27.54 | cyn | the question is does it support sd/mmc |
| 01:27.57 | DaWorm | doesnt cacko use the 2.4.18 kernel |
| 01:28.00 | cyn | and you'll have to try it to find out |
| 01:28.05 | oz | did anyone here test it? |
| 01:28.18 | oz | cyn: it seems to support sd/mmc too much (it makes home) |
| 01:28.31 | cyn | it says its based on the 5500 |
| 01:28.35 | oz | DaWorm: do u use cacko rom for your 5500? |
| 01:28.42 | oz | cyn: are u talking with me? |
| 01:28.44 | DaWorm | no |
| 01:28.45 | cyn | so yeah it looks like 2.4.18 is in rom 3.10 to answer your question |
| 01:29.03 | cyn | I'm trying, is english a second language? |
| 01:29.57 | oz | cyn: it says its based on the 5500 ... first of all it could be "it's based", secondly it doesn't say that, 3rd yes english is my second language |
| 01:30.40 | oz | moreover it is not true that the ufficial 3.10 is based on .18 |
| 01:30.55 | cyn | if you know that why did you ask what kernel is provided |
| 01:30.55 | DaWorm | eh? |
| 01:31.23 | cyn | I wasn't insulting you, some of your lines aren't clear to me (<oz> cyn: it seems to support sd/mmc too much (it makes home)) |
| 01:31.29 | oz | cyn: the reason being i would like to know if it really works |
| 01:31.38 | oz | cyn: i didn't ask if someone can read it for me |
| 01:31.42 | DaWorm | 3.10 isn't really .18 based? |
| 01:31.55 | cyn | so your question was supposed to be "has anyone tried <url>" |
| 01:32.11 | oz | cyn: i don't really like the fact that it use the sd card as /home : that is why i said "too much" |
| 01:32.24 | cyn | ah |
| 01:32.31 | cyn | few extra words and it makes perfect sense |
| 01:32.33 | cyn | that is weak :( |
| 01:32.46 | cyn | ... /home shouldn't be forced to sd/mmc |
| 01:32.54 | oz | wathever... now that we understand the questions... can we have the answers?! ;-) |
| 01:32.56 | cyn | must be because its 5000 and limited flash |
| 01:33.03 | DaWorm | yeah |
| 01:33.11 | doughecka | whos masticator? |
| 01:33.31 | ljp_laptop | jason |
| 01:33.33 | cyn | I'm afraid most people have 5500's now since they went for really cheap when the 5600 was announced, you'll be lucky to find someone who's tested it |
| 01:33.36 | doughecka | ah |
| 01:33.39 | doughecka | whos jason? |
| 01:33.45 | cyn | doughecka: masticator |
| 01:33.46 | ljp_laptop | heh why |
| 01:33.48 | cyn | sorry. i had to. |
| 01:33.50 | ljp_laptop | hehhee |
| 01:33.56 | doughecka | thought so |
| 01:34.01 | doughecka | hes an op |
| 01:34.03 | doughecka | :P |
| 01:34.14 | doughecka | ~masticator |
| 01:34.24 | oz | where can i find the ufficial 3.10? does anyone know the website? |
| 01:34.28 | doughecka | what life you say? well... |
| 01:37.21 | cyn | http://community.zaurus.com/projects/sl5500uss/ |
| 01:38.11 | cyn | forum link on right center of page leads to downloads |
| 01:39.10 | oz | cyn: they don't even say a word about the kernel in there |
| 01:46.53 | cyn | <oz> where can i find the ufficial 3.10? does anyone know the website? |
| 01:47.30 | cyn | the site i gave you has "SL-5500 ROM 3.10 Released ! " which links to http://community.zaurus.com/forum/forum.php?forum_id=29 which speaks of it and links to downloads |
| 01:47.42 | cyn | here are those downloads: http://community.zaurus.com/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5 |
| 01:48.10 | cyn | that's the official 3.10 - there is no official 3.10 for 5000 |
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| 02:07.44 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 02:09.40 | Marsupilami23 | Anyone upgrade to Opie 0.9.9 and having problems with the down arrow on SL-5500? |
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| 02:41.22 | warmi | hi |
| 02:41.48 | treke|laptop | hey warmi |
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| 04:15.18 | Vhalros | I think I killed my CF card slot :( |
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| 04:44.37 | subdue | strange |
| 04:44.41 | subdue | sharpie- world.com is down? |
| 04:44.45 | subdue | bleh |
| 04:44.56 | subdue | is http://www.sharp-world.com down? |
| 04:46.01 | treke|laptop | no |
| 04:46.27 | subdue | can't get to it |
| 04:46.54 | treke|laptop | it's your isp |
| 04:47.10 | treke|laptop | or someplace in between |
| 04:47.47 | subdue | so it's showing up for you then? |
| 04:47.50 | treke|laptop | yes |
| 04:47.54 | subdue | ok |
| 04:51.41 | cleverdra | is a 'MultiMedia Card' an SD/MMC card that Zaurus SL-5500 will like? |
| 04:51.57 | treke|laptop | a MultiMedia Card is an MMC card |
| 04:52.24 | treke|laptop | whether the 5500 will like it depends on the brand |
| 04:53.05 | cleverdra | What brands does the 5500 like or dislike? |
| 04:53.21 | treke|laptop | ibot faq? |
| 04:53.21 | | rumour has it, faq is at http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/zaurus-faq/ |
| 04:54.35 | cleverdra | I've read that, treke, and reading it again I don't see what you mean by 'brand'. |
| 04:55.00 | treke|laptop | you dont see what I mean by brand? The manufacturer of the card |
| 04:55.13 | cleverdra | well, it says that I can use "MMC cards", without exception. |
| 04:55.45 | treke|laptop | then that faq is probably the wrong one. There was one with a compatibility list someplace |
| 04:57.00 | subdue | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?MMC%20or%20SD%20card |
| 04:57.58 | subdue | and yes, there was another list somewhere, I forget |
| 04:59.03 | cleverdra | yikes. I just bought a SanDisk CF card; I hope it doesn't have similar problems. |
| 04:59.37 | treke|laptop | sd and CF are two completly different stories. CF cards vary less in quality |
| 05:00.32 | cleverdra | oh, good. |
| 05:00.37 | cleverdra | Also, thanks: this site is wonderful. |
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| 05:02.08 | subdue | http://www.zaurus.com/dev/support/peripherals.htm |
| 05:02.30 | subdue | http://zaurus.knightfire.com/ |
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| 05:02.37 | subdue | that's where the other list was |
| 05:02.56 | subdue | "full data" |
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| 05:16.50 | cleverdra | hm, does anyone know about "Ritek Ridata" MMC cards? They're not on the knightfire list. |
| 05:35.36 | cleverdra | yay, drivers for the IR keyboard I bought for my Palm (ages ago) =) |
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| 06:03.10 | DaWorm | I use Ridata cards |
| 06:03.19 | DaWorm | no problem on my side, mmc/cf ridata |
| 06:19.48 | cleverdra | I went ahead and bought a 128M hitachi, but thanks. |
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| 06:20.23 | cleverdra | the Ridata cards were worryingly sold adjacent (from the same entity) to SanDisk cards |
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| 06:42.45 | zaurus_lover | hi there |
| 06:42.53 | zaurus_lover | anyone got their 750 ? |
| 06:43.04 | zaurus_lover | Need to check one thing |
| 06:43.10 | zaurus_lover | or even a 700 may do ... |
| 06:43.32 | zaurus_lover | in the Calendar ... when I go to the Month mode of display, the Calendar crashes ... does anyone else see this ? |
| 06:45.38 | treke|laptop | shit |
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| 06:45.48 | zaurus_lover | treke : what happened ? |
| 06:46.11 | zaurus_lover | Is there a place I can find the original C750 Rom to Reflash ? |
| 06:46.19 | zaurus_lover | would it be found on the CD ? |
| 06:46.31 | zaurus_lover | was there one with the C700 ? |
| 06:49.56 | zaurus_lover | anyone here ? |
| 06:50.29 | treke|laptop | nope. just me |
| 06:51.07 | DaWorm | and me |
| 06:52.03 | NeoTron | and me but not really |
| 06:52.17 | DaWorm | NeoTron! |
| 06:52.18 | DaWorm | wait! |
| 06:52.27 | DaWorm | will a minute do? |
| 06:52.44 | NeoTron | I simply haven't gotten around to releasing them, that's all |
| 06:52.50 | NeoTron | (I believe that is your question :-)) |
| 06:53.07 | DaWorm | well i was hoping for newer games thats all |
| 06:53.12 | NeoTron | I'll be back in a few minutes, hold on |
| 06:53.18 | DaWorm | so i was wondering about snails and hdb |
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| 06:53.34 | zaurus_lover | hahah :) |
| 06:53.58 | DaWorm | doh |
| 06:54.13 | zaurus_lover | 700 owners ... any here ? Have a question for you |
| 06:54.28 | zaurus_lover | does your calendar app crash if you view the "Month" mode ? |
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| 06:55.49 | vadim | zaurus_lover: no |
| 06:56.15 | zaurus_lover | it doesn't crash ? |
| 06:56.25 | vadim | doesn't crash |
| 06:56.40 | zaurus_lover | vadim: Hmm weird why my 750 crashes ... maybe some app I installed ... or the ja to en changes I made |
| 06:56.51 | zaurus_lover | wonder if it'll go away if I reflash |
| 06:57.01 | vadim | zaurus_lover: , run it with strace |
| 06:57.23 | zaurus_lover | ok how ? whats the app name to run from command line ? whats the cmd in short ? |
| 06:57.28 | vadim | or at least from consaole to see what signal cause crash |
| 06:57.58 | zaurus_lover | strace datebook |
| 06:57.59 | zaurus_lover | ? |
| 06:58.11 | vadim | when calendar running run ps ax from terminal to see process list |
| 06:58.45 | vadim | zaurus_lover: is strace installed? |
| 06:58.54 | zaurus_lover | oops nope :) |
| 07:00.04 | zaurus_lover | ps ax says : datebook -qcop /tmp/qcop-msg-datebook -disp |
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| 07:10.44 | NeoTron | DaWorm: ok, back |
| 07:10.56 | NeoTron | so yes, snails really is ready for beta. So is Dragonbane 2 more or less |
| 07:11.11 | NeoTron | HDB for the Zaurus is non-existent but there's not a whole lot to port |
| 07:11.16 | DaWorm | oh i was just wondering since its been a WHILE since you had a new release |
| 07:11.19 | NeoTron | the Linux desktop version of HDB should be out real soon |
| 07:11.26 | NeoTron | oh, I know |
| 07:11.38 | NeoTron | partial reason is discouraging sales on existing titles |
| 07:11.52 | DaWorm | cant blame you for that |
| 07:12.43 | NeoTron | that said, I really do want to get them out |
| 07:13.05 | NeoTron | snails is absolutely awesome, dragon bane 2 is an unfulfilled market |
| 07:13.31 | DaWorm | i thought HDB was a PPC game? |
| 07:20.14 | NeoTron | not only |
| 07:20.19 | NeoTron | it's PPC and Windows desktop |
| 07:20.31 | NeoTron | I have porting it to Linux desktop |
| 07:20.37 | NeoTron | and most of the code is shared between them |
| 07:20.46 | NeoTron | so the ppc port should be quite ismple |
| 07:21.52 | DaWorm | interesting..well i was just wondering since the last game you ported was last year so... |
| 07:22.07 | NeoTron | I know |
| 07:22.16 | NeoTron | I've been working on my own game and especially engine as well |
| 07:22.35 | DaWorm | ohhh |
| 07:22.52 | NeoTron | http://eongames.com/tmp/shot12.png |
| 07:23.10 | NeoTron | I know, it's a tetris, but it's to a large degree a game to develop the engine for |
| 07:23.32 | NeoTron | then we have http://fredrik.hubbe.net/torsk/e3scr1.jpg too |
| 07:23.37 | DaWorm | hehe tetris isn't so bad to start with |
| 07:24.07 | DaWorm | hmmm now thats something else |
| 07:25.02 | NeoTron | that's the 3D engine part... |
| 07:25.11 | NeoTron | obviously not for the tetris and not made by me, but.. :) |
| 07:25.31 | DaWorm | its a start |
| 07:25.54 | DaWorm | at least i can still look forward to snails and dragonbane |
| 07:26.37 | NeoTron | I also have rights for another game that is not announced |
| 07:26.47 | DaWorm | ohhhhhh |
| 07:30.02 | NeoTron | and of course HDB too |
| 07:30.13 | NeoTron | anyhow, I was going to bed. :) |
| 07:30.20 | NeoTron | maybe I should outsource the porting some.. heh |
| 07:32.09 | DaWorm | heh. why not spread the work anyway see ya and thanks |
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| 10:19.06 | George- | hi |
| 10:19.19 | oob | hi george! |
| 10:20.02 | George- | who are you? |
| 10:20.08 | George- | :P |
| 10:21.09 | oob | i'm the guy that your mum introduced as "uncle oob" last christmas |
| 10:23.16 | George- | y'wot? |
| 10:23.20 | prh | anyone here got a 750 or 760? |
| 10:24.34 | George- | I want one. |
| 10:25.10 | prh | I think I'm going to get one... but which... |
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| 10:38.50 | Twiun | mark: hey! how did it go? |
| 10:39.13 | mark | hi Twiun |
| 10:39.25 | mark | Twiun: exams? so far so good |
| 10:39.41 | Twiun | mark: got an sd or mmc card? |
| 10:39.55 | mark | Twiun: yeh, mmc, it sometimes works too! |
| 10:40.16 | Twiun | mark: lol - can you tell me what device it maps to under /dev ? |
| 10:40.22 | Twiun | (mine never stopped working) |
| 10:40.31 | mark | Twiun: yeh, second, i'll need to insert it aobut 10 times before it picks it up |
| 10:40.33 | Twiun | until I started testing 2.4.19 |
| 10:41.05 | mark | i've got /dev/mmcda1 |
| 10:41.20 | Twiun | and /dev/mmcda as well? |
| 10:41.33 | mark | yeah |
| 10:42.00 | Twiun | what does "head /dev/mmcda|grep FAT" give you? |
| 10:42.42 | mark | how do i get | on the keyboard? |
| 10:43.08 | Twiun | shift-space |
| 10:43.17 | Twiun | in console and FN+space in konsole |
| 10:44.00 | mark | Twiun: nothing |
| 10:44.25 | mark | Twiun: head /dev/mmcda gives nothing |
| 10:44.35 | Twiun | hmmm |
| 10:44.52 | Twiun | try it with /dev/hda |
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| 10:45.47 | mark | Twiun: /dev/hda ? on my z? |
| 10:46.06 | Twiun | yup... you _do_ have a CF card, right? |
| 10:46.29 | mark | not plugged in |
| 10:46.38 | Twiun | ahhh |
| 10:46.40 | Twiun | ok, nm then |
| 10:46.42 | Twiun | no biggy |
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| 11:17.13 | mark | Twiun: sorry |
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| 12:36.26 | dakota_Z | Anyone know if driver work is happening for the SanDisk CF Connect Plus (flash + WiFi) card? |
| 12:37.01 | doughecka | sounds cool, what chip does it have? |
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| 12:58.56 | dakota_Z | I do not know which chip SanDisk is using for their wifi. I put in a request for more info, asked if any development was going on. |
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| 13:06.38 | doughecka | huh |
| 13:07.05 | doughecka | sounds neat, and if they use a chip that others use, it should be fine I guess |
| 13:16.18 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:17.54 | mark | heya chouimat |
| 13:18.42 | mark | chouimat: i have 6 hours of exams tomorrow, can you feel sorry for me please? |
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| 13:20.58 | doughecka | whoops |
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| 14:01.49 | absentiaS | anyone awake? does anyone know of a way to attach to a PRIMARY X windows display (ie: not a pseudo/virtual display such as vnc?) |
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| 14:23.56 | prh | #noin #openzaurus |
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| 15:13.03 | Zxcvb | what is a good xvid bitrate to use for the Z? |
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| 16:07.27 | effy-kun | anyone else use zic on there zaurus? When I switch to another app, Icant switch back to zic because it doesnt show an icon on the application bar. |
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| 16:08.41 | cyn | rerun it from the menu effy-kun |
| 16:08.52 | cyn | it should switch to the running zic |
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| 16:18.53 | zoid | http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ft/2003/ft030605.gif |
| 16:20.13 | doughecka | :) |
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| 16:31.09 | tux_mike | hey warmi |
| 16:31.28 | warmi | hi |
| 16:31.41 | kergoth | python is so spiffy |
| 16:31.51 | tux_mike | no change at the trib? |
| 16:34.08 | warmi | nothing |
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| 16:34.18 | tux_mike | foo |
| 16:34.22 | warmi | kergoth: yeah, much better than perl isn't it / |
| 16:34.33 | tux_mike | i should learn some python |
| 16:34.40 | tux_mike | is there a good xml parser for it? |
| 16:34.50 | kergoth | warmi: its not write only :) |
| 16:34.51 | warmi | given perl-compatible regexp library Python could do just about everything perl could |
| 16:35.01 | tux_mike | http://www.geocaching.com/track/track_detail.asp?ID=37682 lol |
| 16:35.07 | kergoth | yeah, perl is still god for text manipulation |
| 16:35.37 | warmi | these days Qt has regexp just as powerfull as the one that comes with perl |
| 16:35.49 | kergoth | warmi: also, python's OO is sane. perl's OO is .. unpleasant at best :) |
| 16:35.53 | treke|laptop | improved a bit since 2.3, eh? |
| 16:35.56 | warmi | yeah, that is correct |
| 16:36.16 | warmi | even java has regexp these days |
| 16:36.18 | warmi | heh |
| 16:36.39 | warmi | kergoth: getting busy at your new job or still waiting for something to happen ? |
| 16:36.40 | warmi | heh |
| 16:37.03 | kergoth | warmi: hrm, well, I know what I need to do.. but I have no idea how to go about it.. because I dont know how process works here yet |
| 16:37.12 | kergoth | like what steps need to be taken to make something happen |
| 16:37.27 | treke|laptop | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1106 |
| 16:37.36 | warmi | yeah, well that's why I hate changing jobs - one has to learn from scratch how the new place works etc |
| 16:37.39 | treke|laptop | I'm sure there is some good reason for writing an abacus for the zaurus |
| 16:38.28 | warmi | treke: hehe |
| 16:39.26 | warmi | kergoth: last time I spoke with Neo he was talking to TI guys |
| 16:39.35 | warmi | perhaps you guys will work together :-) |
| 16:40.28 | kergoth | warmi: yeah, i've talked to him |
| 16:40.39 | kergoth | warmi: drw, aka dan williams, one of the opie devs, was hired |
| 16:40.43 | kergoth | warmi: he'll be down here in june sometime |
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| 16:41.08 | warmi | yeah,looks like TI is quite serious abou that new thing |
| 16:41.46 | kergoth | and they're being smart. pulling in talent from related projects |
| 16:42.11 | kergoth | now if they actually work w/ the community, and dont make sharp's mistakes, life will be good |
| 16:42.20 | warmi | heh |
| 16:43.23 | tux_mike | now, i'm wonderhing how good the TI hardware's gonna be |
| 16:43.32 | kergoth | read up on the OMAP processor |
| 16:43.33 | warmi | yeah, and how expensive this device will be |
| 16:43.33 | tux_mike | is it in the same scope as what sharp was doing? |
| 16:43.35 | kergoth | its damn cool |
| 16:43.48 | kergoth | i cant go into any detail, as i'm under NDQA |
| 16:43.49 | kergoth | bleh |
| 16:43.50 | kergoth | NDA |
| 16:43.51 | warmi | tux_mike: they are using arm CPU + some DSP hardware |
| 16:43.57 | kergoth | but it will be spiffy |
| 16:44.01 | cyn | non disclosure quality assurance |
| 16:44.07 | kergoth | hah |
| 16:44.09 | warmi | basically OMAP being arm clone with added extensions |
| 16:44.12 | kergoth | yeah, the OMAP has an onboard dsp |
| 16:44.15 | kergoth | its pretty smooth |
| 16:44.20 | cyn | I can assure you that I can't assure you as to whether it's quality or not |
| 16:44.21 | tux_mike | damn. i wanna know |
| 16:45.06 | warmi | kergoth: so theoretically the arm code from the zaurus (asm) should work on OMAP unchanged |
| 16:45.28 | kergoth | afaik |
| 16:45.37 | kergoth | I need to grab some OMAP dev docs and print em out for reference |
| 16:45.43 | kergoth | first i need to find a printer in TI |
| 16:45.46 | kergoth | heheh |
| 16:45.49 | tux_mike | lol |
| 16:46.00 | cyn | just fill out a requisition form for one |
| 16:46.08 | kergoth | righttt |
| 16:46.11 | tux_mike | kerg: can you even tell us how long we have to wait? |
| 16:46.13 | kergoth | i dont have a damn cubicle yet |
| 16:46.18 | kergoth | and you think i'm getting a printer? |
| 16:46.20 | cyn | "yeah I just started, they didn't give me my color laser printer yet" |
| 16:46.22 | kergoth | hehe |
| 16:46.27 | chouimat | kergoth: so you can't have a printer yet :) |
| 16:46.33 | cyn | "so, just sign it and I'll go get one myself" |
| 16:46.51 | kergoth | ibot: seen mickeyl |
| 16:46.51 | | mickeyl <mickeyl@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #opie, 2h 47m 17s ago, saying: 'opie-mediummount maybe'. |
| 16:49.42 | tux_mike | damn. found nothing on google |
| 16:49.49 | tux_mike | TI is being pretty tight lipped about this |
| 16:49.52 | warmi | about what ? |
| 16:50.02 | tux_mike | whatever kergoth is working on :) |
| 16:50.12 | warmi | ah that .. well yeagh |
| 16:50.28 | warmi | did you just type "kergoth work TI PDA" ? |
| 16:50.38 | tux_mike | didn't try that one :) |
| 16:50.49 | hardwire | sure you did |
| 16:51.06 | warmi | it pulled log file from this channel |
| 16:51.07 | warmi | heh |
| 16:51.22 | tux_mike | yah |
| 16:51.23 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:51.26 | tux_mike | lol |
| 16:51.30 | kergoth | ~fishslap ibot |
| 16:51.31 | | ACTION slaps ibot up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 16:51.40 | kergoth | anyone know how to do singleton classes in python |
| 16:51.41 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:51.48 | tux_mike | newp |
| 16:51.56 | kergoth | or for that matter, the functional equivalent of a static method |
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| 16:55.46 | kergoth | aha, this'll do |
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| 16:59.01 | kastar | i wonder how to get a zaurus sl-5600 in belgium?? |
| 16:59.50 | chouimat | wow un castor en ligne |
| 16:59.52 | treke|laptop | buying it would help |
| 17:00.16 | kastar | lol |
| 17:00.17 | kergoth | hrm |
| 17:00.28 | kastar | well not that easy here |
| 17:00.43 | kastar | buying from amazon is not possible |
| 17:00.52 | kastar | another idea? |
| 17:01.02 | treke|laptop | steal one |
| 17:01.16 | kastar | you know someone who has one ;-) |
| 17:01.22 | kastar | except you off course |
| 17:02.28 | treke|laptop | no |
| 17:02.41 | warmi | why can't you buy one from Amazon ? |
| 17:02.50 | warmi | or any other web place for that matter |
| 17:03.28 | kastar | they don't export electronics |
| 17:04.02 | kastar | if you know a site, i'd be glad |
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| 17:06.40 | tux_mike | damnit. mozdev is down |
| 17:08.47 | warmi | I don't kastar ... perhaps some german places |
| 17:10.07 | wijnand | kastar: your best bet is to take a trip to the us and get one there |
| 17:10.50 | wijnand | then tell customs you had it all along :) |
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| 18:37.31 | doughecka | nofpu!!!! |
| 18:37.48 | nofpu | doughecka! |
| 18:37.58 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:38.01 | nofpu | ;) |
| 18:38.06 | doughecka | :D |
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| 20:24.27 | ljp_laptop | why |
| 20:24.33 | Solar[X] | Hi - I have a CF network card (wired), it has a ne2000 chip, but if I insert it, I'm not getting any network... cardctl ident says "no product info available' but cardctl status detects a 16-bit pc card - any clues on what I have to do to make it work? |
| 20:24.33 | ljp_laptop | what'd you say about me? |
| 20:24.43 | doughecka | cant say |
| 20:24.52 | ljp_laptop | beeeeaaaaatch! |
| 20:25.10 | Solar[X] | I'm using Sharp rom 3.1 btwe |
| 20:25.11 | Solar[X] | -e |
| 20:25.20 | Solar[X] | 2.78 acted the same |
| 20:25.26 | doughecka | actully, I didnt say anything :P |
| 20:25.54 | ljp_laptop | well, you do know there's logs |
| 20:26.05 | doughecka | ~logs |
| 20:26.06 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 20:26.09 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:26.13 | doughecka | go ahead, read |
| 20:26.30 | ljp_laptop | Solar[X]: you may have to add your card to the pcmcia config |
| 20:26.41 | ljp_laptop | yes, I know where the logs are, thx |
| 20:26.47 | doughecka | whew |
| 20:26.56 | Solar[X] | ljp_laptop: how do I do that if cardctl doesn't show info for it? |
| 20:27.15 | ljp_laptop | ohh.. hmmmm good point |
| 20:27.21 | Solar[X] | :) |
| 20:27.56 | ljp_laptop | I would google for that card to see if you can come up with some hints |
| 20:28.25 | Solar[X] | I did, but it looks like I'm the only one having that card :S |
| 20:28.33 | ljp_laptop | they seem to change chips as fast as I used to go thtough women |
| 20:28.51 | Solar[X] | Well the chip is a plain ne2000. |
| 20:29.02 | Solar[X] | But I don't know how to address the card. |
| 20:29.17 | doughecka | hold it out in front of you and speak loudly, and clearly |
| 20:29.26 | doughecka | and say please |
| 20:29.35 | Solar[X] | doughecka: are you drunk or something? :) |
| 20:29.48 | doughecka | you asked how to address the card.... ;) |
| 20:31.41 | doughecka | same way with a golf ball too, btw |
| 20:33.28 | Solar[X] | Hm have to get pico... I'm too lame to use VI. |
| 20:33.40 | doughecka | traitor |
| 20:35.37 | ljp_laptop | I have ran vi in emacs |
| 20:38.20 | Solar[X] | Quick question - where can I put apps of my own so they'll be available anywhere? |
| 20:38.30 | treke|laptop | eh? |
| 20:38.34 | Solar[X] | What I really want to know... which dirs in $PATH are writable. |
| 20:38.37 | Solar[X] | :) |
| 20:38.40 | treke|laptop | none |
| 20:38.47 | Solar[X] | Doh |
| 20:38.55 | doughecka | duoh! |
| 20:39.04 | treke|laptop | writable directories in a global $PATH is a very very bad idea |
| 20:39.21 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.28 | Solar[X] | Writable by su isn't too bad... |
| 20:39.46 | Solar[X] | I just got this pico binary and I want to move it somewhere so I can run it from any location. |
| 20:40.11 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.12 | treke|laptop | so put in /usr/local/bin if you are root |
| 20:40.13 | Solar[X] | Like on my desktop I'd just put it in /usr/bin or something... |
| 20:40.22 | Solar[X] | Ohh I can just write there? |
| 20:40.26 | Solar[X] | Thought it was ro. |
| 20:40.33 | doughecka | I dont think so |
| 20:40.56 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.58 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:42.18 | Solar[X] | Ahh it worked - /usr/local/bin is writable. |
| 20:42.20 | Solar[X] | Thanks |
| 20:42.35 | Solar[X] | Now I can explore /etc for network config :) |
| 20:42.53 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.04 | Solar[X] | Doesn't do anything on mine. |
| 20:45.07 | Solar[X] | It just sits there. |
| 20:45.12 | Solar[X] | After I added the >. |
| 20:45.19 | doughecka | huh |
| 20:45.21 | doughecka | works for me :P |
| 20:45.36 | doughecka | makes an awful racket |
| 20:45.48 | Solar[X] | On a 5500? |
| 20:46.16 | doughecka | yuea |
| 20:47.48 | doughecka | wow |
| 20:47.49 | doughecka | http://www.monkeyreview.com/images/reviews/hardware/samsung/ltm295w/5-bg.jpg |
| 20:47.53 | doughecka | 29 inch LCD |
| 20:48.31 | pH1uid | Almost big enough for me to use as the fig leaf in my Adam halloween costume. |
| 20:48.45 | doughecka | ugh |
| 20:48.58 | pH1uid | You got a visual, didn't you. |
| 20:49.16 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:57.21 | doughecka | wow |
| 21:02.37 | Solar[X] | Does anyone know how to use /etc/network-device? |
| 21:02.58 | Solar[X] | By default, there's a 3com card configured, I want to try and configure it for my ne200 card. |
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| 21:36.01 | Solar[X] | Where's the pipe ( | ) key again? |
| 21:36.15 | doughecka | SHIFT space |
| 21:36.20 | doughecka | gah, caps |
| 21:36.38 | doughecka | wheres buzz? |
| 21:37.08 | zap-zero | buzz? |
| 21:37.11 | zap-zero | ^G? |
| 21:37.20 | Solar[X] | Ah, thanks. |
| 21:37.33 | pHluid | http://www.bordergatewayprotocol.net/~jon/humor/images/localrootsploit.JPG |
| 21:37.39 | doughecka | mrwoody and buzz lightyear |
| 21:38.04 | kergoth | ~lart doughecka |
| 21:38.07 | doughecka | lo |
| 21:38.09 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:38.16 | doughecka | kergoth: I was wrong? |
| 21:39.23 | mrwoody | doughecka: ? |
| 21:39.24 | zap-zero | doughecka: no tft? |
| 21:39.33 | doughecka | hah |
| 21:39.52 | Solar[X] | Bleh how did this happen? My keyboard is locked to the fn characters. |
| 21:40.00 | doughecka | hah |
| 21:40.14 | doughecka | keep pushing FN this, FN that, till it turns off |
| 21:40.35 | zap-zero | doughecka: maybe fn-Num? |
| 21:40.45 | zap-zero | Solar[X], sorr |
| 21:40.45 | Solar[X] | Heh that was it. |
| 21:40.45 | zap-zero | y |
| 21:40.50 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:40.51 | doughecka | cool |
| 21:40.55 | Solar[X] | Sorry, first day Z user. |
| 21:44.40 | Solar[X] | My mmc card doesn't get recognized in Rom 3.1, is there a known issue or is my card just broken? |
| 21:47.51 | Solar[X] | Maybe I should just change to OZ right away... it would save me a lot of pain probably. |
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| 21:58.08 | doughecka | should :P |
| 21:58.21 | doughecka | but OZ has its own headaches |
| 21:58.40 | hardwire | here her |
| 21:58.41 | hardwire | e |
| 21:59.49 | doughecka | hear hear I thought it was |
| 22:00.27 | Wintre | It is |
| 22:00.44 | doughecka | hey hardwire!!! |
| 22:01.03 | hardwire | Heaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy doughecka! |
| 22:03.48 | doughecka | hah, got him |
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| 22:46.53 | mewyn | woot! |
| 22:47.08 | kergoth | mewyn: ? |
| 22:47.40 | mewyn | replaced the case on my laptop and got 100 extra MHz |
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| 22:50.09 | treke|laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.41 | Solar[X] | Is there any way I can manually assign a driver to a cf card if it doesn't have an ident string in cardctl? |
| 22:52.39 | kergoth | what does cardctl ident show? |
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| 22:53.43 | Solar[X] | no product info availlable |
| 22:53.46 | Solar[X] | Eh |
| 22:53.47 | Solar[X] | Available |
| 22:53.57 | Solar[X] | It does show up in status and config though |
| 22:54.15 | kergoth | i dont know of a way, myself. |
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| 22:55.17 | sheenmaster | kergoth: how's the new job? |
| 22:56.39 | kergoth | sheenmaster: quite good, I like it.. course even if i didnt, itd be better than tech support ;) |
| 22:57.04 | treke|laptop | at least in support you had a cubicle |
| 22:57.18 | kergoth | cubicles are overrated |
| 22:57.22 | kergoth | heheh |
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| 23:10.59 | sheenmaster | kergoth: You in tech support? That's a crime! |
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| 23:11.48 | sheenmaster | kergoth: In Soviet Russia, we'd all be in tech support or food services. YAY CAPITALISM! |
| 23:12.08 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:12.28 | treke|laptop | sheenmaster: in soviet russia we'd have turned you in as a spy and been done with you |
| 23:12.59 | sheenmaster | treke|laptop: nah, they'd never give me a chance to defect. I'd've been shot in the back of the neck ages ago. |
| 23:13.20 | kergoth | hey cool |
| 23:13.24 | kergoth | i didnt notice |
| 23:13.33 | kergoth | but my 'patcher' oeclass for the new oz buildsystem actually works |
| 23:13.46 | kergoth | wrote it, never tested it |
| 23:13.46 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:15.32 | sheenmaster | kergoth: You had to at least test compilation. |
| 23:16.17 | kergoth | sheenmaster: python. what compilation? |
| 23:17.07 | sheenmaster | kergoth: ah; nm then |
| 23:17.12 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:17.59 | sheenmaster | kergoth: It just seems wrong not to compile anything more complicated than a shell script. It gives you time to sit back and relax or go get a drink. |
| 23:18.07 | sheenmaster | kergoth: interpreted languages are ruining that! |
| 23:18.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:18.29 | kergoth | hey, gotta use the right tool for the job |
| 23:18.39 | sheenmaster | It's not such a big deal now that I'm coding for myself, but compile times saved my sanity last summer. |
| 23:18.46 | kergoth | c is decidedly the wrong tool for text manip, gotta love perl |
| 23:19.01 | kergoth | i despise compiletimes, cause its time i'm wasting not being productive |
| 23:19.18 | kergoth | when i want to party, it doesnt matter whether i need to code or not, i'm damn well getting out of the house :) |
| 23:20.34 | sheenmaster | yeah, but productivity is meaningless when you're writing sign maker software for a greedy SOB that doesn't pay you squat where the win2k box they provided you keeps 100% CPU usage because of all the POS win16 memory shit they dumped on there... |
| 23:20.46 | sheenmaster | I would've thrown the machine out the window if they hadn't let me install Linux. |
| 23:21.05 | kergoth | good point |
| 23:21.53 | sheenmaster | I only stayed because I got the Boss's old office (independant air conditioning; I left it on 50 fereinheit) and 20oz cokes were $0.65 |
| 23:22.20 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:22.26 | sheenmaster | plus a kickass chair you could spin around while stuff was compiling if you blew all your money on the coke machine. |
| 23:22.33 | sheenmaster | lol |
| 23:23.10 | kergoth | i dont even have a cubicle of my own yet |
| 23:23.12 | kergoth | much less an office |
| 23:23.14 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:23.31 | sheenmaster | but you get paid a hell of a lot more than the $5.75/hour I was pulling in. |
| 23:23.33 | fusion94- | kergoth: where you wroking now ? |
| 23:23.38 | kergoth | fusion94-: TI |
| 23:23.56 | fusion94- | kergoth: ahhh....where did you have to move to ? |
| 23:24.29 | kergoth | fusion94-: dallas, tx |
| 23:24.38 | fusion94- | kergoth: sorry to hear that |
| 23:24.52 | kergoth | fusion94-: no shoveling snow now, instead i get to swelter all year |
| 23:24.54 | kergoth | fun! |
| 23:25.04 | fusion94- | heh i grew up in dallas....i know how hot it can get |
| 23:26.15 | ljp_laptop | he needs a c'boy hat |
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| 23:31.32 | Solar[X] | Hm I seriously need to get this CF nic working... can I perhaps do anything with manfid in /etc/pcmcia/config? |
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| 23:36.11 | tbux | Woo HOOO! I've been 48 hours without having to reflash my Z! |
| 23:37.19 | tbux | I even got my dial-up PPP to work. This is bitchin'. |
| 23:37.53 | Solar[X] | You sound like you could help me get my CF ethernet card working :) |
| 23:38.04 | tbux | Maybe. What kinda card is it? |
| 23:38.30 | Solar[X] | Zonet zcd1400, ne2k chip. |
| 23:38.46 | tbux | Hmmm. You running oz or sharp rom? |
| 23:38.51 | Solar[X] | Cardctl ident just tells me "no product info available" |
| 23:39.04 | Solar[X] | OZ currently, but it was the same in Sharp 2.78 and 3.1. |
| 23:39.55 | Solar[X] | I was wondering if I could bind the ne2k to it manually, by entering its address somewhere, or something like that. |
| 23:40.21 | sheenmaster | Solar[X]: you probably can |
| 23:40.23 | tbux | Any idea if is uses the ne driver or the ne2kpci? |
| 23:40.33 | sheenmaster | Solar[X]: I had to with my wifi card in 3.1rc2 |
| 23:40.43 | Solar[X] | sheenmaster: how did you do it? |
| 23:41.09 | sheenmaster | Solar[X]: I don't remember. Look for the hostap config files. |
| 23:41.43 | tbux | hostap is for the intersil/prism chipset |
| 23:41.46 | Solar[X] | hostap is only wifi, I think... in the /etc/pcmcia/config file I can add a manfid (whatever that is), but I don't know how to find it for my card. |
| 23:42.20 | Solar[X] | tbux: I think it would use ne2kpci, but I can try either one if I only knew how to bind it manually. |
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| 23:42.29 | tbux | What shows up under the network settings on the Z? |
| 23:43.00 | Solar[X] | Disconnected, all of them |
| 23:43.12 | tbux | I get it, but do you see your card there> |
| 23:43.13 | Solar[X] | Oh and it doesn't light up on my switch either. |
| 23:43.44 | tbux | should be eth0 |
| 23:43.47 | Solar[X] | Nope, just usbd0, eth1, eth0 and wlan0, which are just defaults I think. |
| 23:44.39 | tbux | hilight eth0 and tap the information button and tell me if something comes up. |
| 23:44.58 | Solar[X] | "No information about a disconnected interface" it tells me. |
| 23:45.17 | tbux | What happens when you tap the configure button? |
| 23:45.36 | Solar[X] | That's where I can adjust the ip settings, etc. |
| 23:45.44 | Solar[X] | BUt I need to get it to load a driver first. |
| 23:46.04 | tbux | open a command line and do lsmod and tell me what's there. |
| 23:47.44 | Solar[X] | sa1100_bi, sharp_mmcsd_m, 2 collie* drivers, devinfo, net_fd, usbdcire and usbdmonitor. |
| 23:48.12 | tbux | what happens if you do modprobe ne2kpci or modprobe ne? |
| 23:49.13 | Solar[X] | Can;t locate module it tells me, for both. |
| 23:49.14 | tbux | (off subject) Anyone found a reliable way to add icons to the oz launcher? |
| 23:49.39 | tbux | Did the nic say it would work with the Z? |
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| 23:51.05 | Solar[X] | Not officially |
| 23:51.13 | tbux | That sounds bad. |
| 23:51.32 | Solar[X] | It might be... but still I should be able to load a driver for it. |
| 23:51.56 | tbux | True. Does it say it's linux compatible? If so, what driver does it use? |
| 23:52.10 | tbux | I ask because you may have to dl it an install it. |
| 23:52.18 | Solar[X] | Hm I should try it in my laptop... one sec. |
| 23:52.41 | tbux | Is this thing a cf card or a pc card? |
| 23:53.22 | tbux | (I ask because I have a cf to PCcard adapter and it doesn't work well with the Z) |
| 23:55.29 | Solar[X] | It's a CF card |
| 23:55.46 | tbux | K |
| 23:55.51 | Solar[X] | I got my laptop, booting it to see if I can get it working with a CF-in-PCMCIA caddy. |
| 23:55.58 | tbux | K. |
