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| 01:05.35 | omoore | heh.. i've been searching for a command line recorder application for the zaurus for some time... |
| 01:05.47 | omoore | i just discovered the zaurus developer website ... |
| 01:05.51 | omoore | was so freaking easy... |
| 01:06.07 | omoore | since noone knew of an application that is currently available for the zaurus.. |
| 01:06.15 | omoore | here is an fyi... |
| 01:06.28 | omoore | cat /dev/dsp > mywavfile.wav <--records a wav file |
| 01:06.41 | omoore | cat mywavfile.wav > /dev/dsp <-- plays back the file |
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| 01:06.48 | omoore | to frekaing easy! |
| 01:06.50 | omoore | :) |
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| 01:14.25 | mewyn | anyone know what quicktime files use for audio codec? |
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| 01:33.35 | omoore | no wonder! |
| 01:33.44 | omoore | fyi for anyone with a 5600... |
| 01:34.10 | omoore | if you issue a .. cat wavfile.wav > /dev/dsp .. wait.. let me test once more |
| 01:34.49 | kergoth | that may or may not work depending on what formats the audio driver can handle |
| 01:35.12 | omoore | kergoth: right.. i indicated .wav tho |
| 01:35.15 | kergoth | its not guaranteed to handle all formats, the userspace app is expected to hbandle it |
| 01:35.18 | kergoth | and? |
| 01:35.19 | omoore | right |
| 01:35.21 | kergoth | FORMATS |
| 01:35.23 | kergoth | 8 bit, 16 bit |
| 01:35.23 | omoore | ahh |
| 01:35.25 | kergoth | mono, stereo |
| 01:35.26 | omoore | right |
| 01:35.28 | kergoth | 44khz, 22khz |
| 01:35.36 | omoore | but.. that wasn't my issue... |
| 01:35.40 | treke|laptop | .wav doesnt indicate the format of audio |
| 01:35.43 | omoore | kergoth: here is what i was getting |
| 01:35.48 | omoore | kergoth: i follow |
| 01:35.58 | omoore | anyway.. when i would ... . |
| 01:36.03 | omoore | cat /dev/dsp > file.sav |
| 01:36.05 | kergoth | omoore: my point is, you cant guarantee cat'ing a wav will do anything sane |
| 01:36.05 | omoore | er.. wav |
| 01:36.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:36.15 | omoore | right, i follow... |
| 01:36.17 | omoore | but... |
| 01:36.22 | omoore | i would do this... |
| 01:36.26 | omoore | cat /dev/dsp > file.wav |
| 01:36.28 | omoore | then ... |
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| 01:36.33 | omoore | cat file.wav > /dev/dsp |
| 01:36.37 | omoore | and would get garbage... |
| 01:36.48 | omoore | the probelm wasn't the catting... |
| 01:36.52 | omoore | the probelm was permissions... |
| 01:36.55 | omoore | on the 5600... |
| 01:37.01 | omoore | you run as 'zaurus' |
| 01:37.06 | omoore | THAT was my issue :-D |
| 01:37.11 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:37.12 | omoore | woo hoo! :) |
| 01:37.18 | omoore | drove me crazy... |
| 01:37.20 | omoore | because... |
| 01:37.23 | treke|laptop | sharp_stupidity++ |
| 01:37.28 | omoore | not really... |
| 01:37.36 | omoore | because now they DONT run as root |
| 01:37.43 | omoore | the 5500 runs as root |
| 01:37.46 | omoore | tho... |
| 01:37.55 | omoore | the recorder app must be suid |
| 01:38.02 | omoore | because it's files are root:root |
| 01:38.10 | treke|laptop | as I said. |
| 01:38.12 | treke|laptop | sharp_stupidity++ |
| 01:38.13 | omoore | didn't make the connection |
| 01:38.14 | omoore | heh |
| 01:38.25 | omoore | until i could not get the catting to work... |
| 01:38.30 | omoore | then, i had su'd to root |
| 01:38.33 | omoore | for something... |
| 01:38.42 | omoore | and was explaining what "wasn't working" to someone |
| 01:38.49 | omoore | and bam.. it worked |
| 01:38.54 | omoore | :-D |
| 01:38.57 | omoore | soo... |
| 01:39.11 | omoore | if anyone uses cat /dev/dsp to play/record... |
| 01:39.17 | omoore | keep in mind that on the 5600... |
| 01:39.23 | omoore | you have to su to root |
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| 02:08.46 | Brklyn | anyone there with vnc server running on their zaurus?? |
| 02:09.19 | doughecka | I did |
| 02:09.35 | Brklyn | doughecka: I have fbvncserver running well... |
| 02:09.41 | Brklyn | the problem is when I try to login... |
| 02:09.51 | Brklyn | I can get the vncviewer to show me the zaurus screen |
| 02:09.54 | doughecka | you need a updated file, but I forgot what it was |
| 02:09.56 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:09.56 | Brklyn | but I can't take remote control... |
| 02:10.12 | Brklyn | shit man... you knew it before I finished!! |
| 02:10.14 | Brklyn | ;) |
| 02:10.17 | doughecka | :P |
| 02:10.21 | doughecka | let me think :) |
| 02:10.32 | doughecka | ~vncserver |
| 02:10.42 | doughecka | ~vnc |
| 02:10.43 | | [vnc] virtual network computing (see http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/). It runs on the iPAQ with fbvnc at http://www.w-m-p.com/ipaq/fbvnc.html |
| 02:10.47 | doughecka | ~complex |
| 02:10.51 | doughecka | hmm |
| 02:11.55 | Brklyn | ibot: I have the server up and running... |
| 02:11.56 | | Brklyn: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 02:11.59 | Brklyn | but it doesn't let me take control... |
| 02:12.01 | doughecka | mknod |
| 02:12.04 | doughecka | ~mknod |
| 02:12.16 | Brklyn | ibot: let me check |
| 02:12.16 | | Brklyn: i don't know |
| 02:12.38 | doughecka | I have the file |
| 02:12.52 | Brklyn | doughecka: what is it an ipk?? |
| 02:12.59 | doughecka | no |
| 02:13.01 | doughecka | a gz file |
| 02:13.16 | Brklyn | you got openzaurus?? |
| 02:13.27 | doughecka | yah |
| 02:13.34 | doughecka | but no vnc software |
| 02:13.48 | doughecka | http://heck.no-ip.com/bzecho-0.2d.tar.gz |
| 02:13.55 | Brklyn | and when you put the vnc server... was it running on oz?? |
| 02:14.07 | doughecka | get it, replace the file in /bin I think |
| 02:14.48 | doughecka | and then uninstall, then reinstall the vnc server and touch the upper left and lower botton corners the FIRST thing after reboot |
| 02:15.19 | Brklyn | touch the upper left and lower left?? |
| 02:15.23 | doughecka | yah |
| 02:15.36 | doughecka | http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=107 |
| 02:15.38 | doughecka | read :P |
| 02:15.44 | Brklyn | this is worst than my playstation 2 cheats... |
| 02:16.02 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:16.10 | Brklyn | ai man... thanks a lot... |
| 02:16.14 | Brklyn | I'm gonna give it a look |
| 02:16.18 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:18.26 | Brklyn | I can't compile the file doug |
| 02:18.50 | doughecka | no compile it :) |
| 02:19.03 | doughecka | unzip, and put the mknod file in /bin |
| 02:19.07 | Brklyn | no need to compile?? |
| 02:19.08 | doughecka | ungzip |
| 02:19.10 | doughecka | nope |
| 02:19.13 | doughecka | I think |
| 02:19.25 | Brklyn | thanks doughecka |
| 02:19.41 | doughecka | ~rot13 umop apisdn we I" |
| 02:19.41 | | hzbc ncvfqa jr V" |
| 02:19.48 | doughecka | that made it worse |
| 02:19.53 | Brklyn | bzecho.cxx ircecho.pl Makefile these are the three files mI get after ungzip |
| 02:20.00 | doughecka | ! |
| 02:20.04 | doughecka | ack, wrong file :P |
| 02:20.09 | Brklyn | hahaha |
| 02:20.13 | Brklyn | thought so... xDD |
| 02:21.00 | doughecka | http://heck.no-ip.com/mknod.tar.gz |
| 02:21.04 | doughecka | thats the one |
| 02:21.16 | Brklyn | perfect |
| 02:27.36 | Brklyn | doughecka: I'm rebooting.... where am I supposed to click on the screen... right on the corner... or towards the top left... but not exactly the corner.... |
| 02:27.41 | Brklyn | or it doesn't matter... |
| 02:27.41 | Brklyn | :P |
| 02:28.20 | doughecka | hm |
| 02:28.31 | doughecka | top left, then bottom right |
| 02:29.59 | Brklyn | no luck... I still can't take remote control |
| 02:30.02 | Brklyn | :'( |
| 02:30.29 | doughecka | hmm |
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| 02:30.46 | Brklyn | and I'm pretty sure I did everything right... |
| 02:30.54 | Brklyn | I can see the zaurus screen on the vncviewer... |
| 02:31.00 | Brklyn | but I can't take control |
| 02:31.01 | doughecka | you uninstalled? |
| 02:31.07 | Brklyn | yup... did it all |
| 02:31.11 | doughecka | huh |
| 02:31.25 | doughecka | it should work |
| 02:31.39 | chouimat|Zzz | night |
| 02:31.54 | Brklyn | you had the same problem?? I mean... you could see the zaurus screen but you couldn't take "remote" control?? |
| 02:32.06 | doughecka | yea |
| 02:32.09 | doughecka | and it worked for me |
| 02:32.16 | doughecka | after I fixed it |
| 02:32.45 | Brklyn | maybe I had to click more towards the corner... |
| 02:33.04 | doughecka | yea, as close as you can get it |
| 02:33.26 | doughecka | wait till it finishes booting, then the FIRST thing you do is hit the corners |
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| 02:33.40 | Brklyn | yeah it was the first thing I did... |
| 02:33.45 | Brklyn | maybe I had to get it closer... |
| 02:33.51 | Brklyn | I'll try again... |
| 02:34.02 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:34.33 | Brklyn | thanks yoh... |
| 02:35.37 | Brklyn | yeah me too |
| 02:35.38 | Brklyn | :P |
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| 03:19.00 | zoid | raster: what's got the newest ecore? (SPLIT or HEAD)? |
| 03:19.05 | zoid | err, wrong damn window, heh |
| 03:21.57 | treke|ho1e | evening tim |
| 03:21.59 | ChipX86|Coding | heh |
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| 03:34.29 | cdm | neato! |
| 03:51.47 | rovitotv | cdm: what is so neato? I need an excuse not to work on my homework. |
| 03:53.34 | cdm | hahhaa.. |
| 03:53.47 | cdm | http://www.qnx.com/news/pr/jun02_03_infocus.html |
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| 05:40.34 | omoore | anyone configured a cross-compiling environment for the 5600? |
| 05:40.49 | treke|home | it's the same as for the 5500 |
| 05:40.54 | omoore | good |
| 05:40.59 | omoore | cause i was having an issue... |
| 05:41.04 | omoore | just wanted to make sure it was me |
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| 06:16.49 | omoore | yeah baby.. the comprec package for the zaurus (command line mp3 recorder) rocks |
| 06:17.45 | wijnand | recorder? what do you record with it? |
| 06:18.00 | wijnand | i mean i doubt you're ripping your cd collection :) |
| 06:18.09 | treke|laptop | voice :) |
| 06:18.33 | wijnand | ah like a memo recorder |
| 06:19.14 | wijnand | didnt know the Z had a mic |
| 06:20.20 | treke|laptop | the 5600 does |
| 06:20.22 | treke|laptop | the 5500 doesnt |
| 06:20.27 | wijnand | ah |
| 06:20.31 | wijnand | we dont have the 5600 here |
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| 06:25.22 | UberGeekRobert | q |
| 06:26.29 | wijnand | heh |
| 06:27.34 | wijnand | hmm does anyone know where i can find the eurosymbol on my z's keyboard in OZ3.2? |
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| 06:29.57 | Stryker_ | hello |
| 06:30.18 | wijnand | hi |
| 06:30.50 | Stryker_ | I have a 5500 comming to be in a couple of days.. |
| 06:30.55 | Stryker_ | can't wait. |
| 06:31.22 | cdm | hey Stryker_ |
| 06:31.32 | Stryker_ | Chris? |
| 06:31.40 | rovitotv | Stryker_ I know how you feel, I just got mine 2 weeks ago andI can't stop playing with it. |
| 06:31.49 | cdm | his 5500's battery at least. |
| 06:31.59 | cdm | Stryker_: yes? |
| 06:32.11 | Stryker_ | How long does the battery on the 5500 last? |
| 06:32.25 | Stryker_ | cdm: The "qnx" cdm? |
| 06:32.34 | cdm | Stryker_: ummm...yes? |
| 06:32.47 | cdm | http://qnx.wox.org/qnx/screenshots/zaurus/ |
| 06:32.57 | wijnand | Stryker_: highly depends on your usage and the backlight |
| 06:32.58 | Stryker_ | Cool, haven't talked to you for many moons |
| 06:33.32 | Stryker_ | cdm: Hmm, connection refused on that link.. |
| 06:33.59 | Stryker_ | wijnand: Yeah, I have a Jornada 565 now that I'm selling in order to get the 5500 |
| 06:34.07 | cdm | neato |
| 06:34.12 | Stryker_ | wijnand: Battery on that last pretty good |
| 06:34.35 | wijnand | Stryker_: if you're going to use PIM apps all day with backlight on lowest setting you'll get quite a few hours |
| 06:34.58 | Stryker_ | cdm: So you ported to the Zaurus after the ipaq? |
| 06:35.09 | cdm | Stryker_: in the process of doing the Zaurus. |
| 06:35.25 | Stryker_ | cool.. |
| 06:35.57 | cdm | Stryker_: try the URL again - apache crashed. |
| 06:36.02 | Stryker_ | cdm: Do you remember me from #qnx, about a year ago? |
| 06:36.08 | Stryker_ | k |
| 06:36.10 | cdm | I think so. |
| 06:36.23 | Stryker_ | ATM Cash machines. |
| 06:36.29 | Stryker_ | That project never flew |
| 06:36.39 | cdm | ah. |
| 06:36.40 | Stryker_ | idiots went with a win2000 solution. |
| 06:37.31 | Stryker_ | cdm: Isn't the Zaurus close to the Jornada 56x series? |
| 06:37.36 | Stryker_ | Hardware wise? |
| 06:37.58 | cdm | Stryker_: ummm..they are all "close" hardware wise. Most PDAs either have an SA1110 or PXA2xx. |
| 06:38.05 | Stryker_ | screenshots look great. |
| 06:38.05 | wijnand | Stryker_: not the keyboard anyway ;) |
| 06:38.07 | cdm | but that is where it ends. |
| 06:38.12 | cdm | Stryker_: http://qnxzone.com/eQip/ |
| 06:38.21 | Stryker_ | Yeah, aside from the keyboard.. |
| 06:38.50 | cdm | well, if you take out the CPU everything will be different. |
| 06:38.57 | Stryker_ | oh |
| 06:38.59 | Stryker_ | heh |
| 06:39.05 | Stryker_ | ok, so not that close :) |
| 06:39.12 | cdm | they all have 1-2 ASICs that all do more or less the same thing but different ways. |
| 06:39.29 | cdm | the manner in which the GPIOs on the processor are used are generally different as well. |
| 06:39.54 | Stryker_ | I bet that makes your life a bit tough.. |
| 06:39.57 | cdm | the main reason they all look the same is due to the fact that they are all done by the same company in Taiwan (iPaqs, Journadas and Zauruses). |
| 06:40.12 | Stryker_ | ah. |
| 06:40.16 | cdm | Stryker_: not bad if I get docs. |
| 06:40.25 | cdm | which I have for the iPaqs and the Zaurus. |
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| 06:40.55 | Stryker_ | cdm: Yeah, they still don't have a linux Jornada port for the 56x series. |
| 06:41.11 | Stryker_ | cdm: Seems like it will never come. |
| 06:41.12 | cdm | Stryker_: they don't even share docs within HP. |
| 06:41.35 | cdm | Stryker_: they are reverse engineering it at the labs in Cambridge with some help. |
| 06:41.38 | Stryker_ | cdm: Nasty |
| 06:42.09 | Stryker_ | cdm: I couldn't wait anymore so I decided to go with the Zaurus. |
| 06:42.45 | cdm | Stryker_: ironically the iPaq has better support under Linux from the company that makes it. ;) |
| 06:43.43 | Stryker_ | cdm: You going to do a wifi driver? |
| 06:44.04 | cdm | I can just use one of the existing ones. |
| 06:44.24 | Stryker_ | excellent. |
| 06:44.48 | Stryker_ | I have a Socket wifi card, I think they are supported. |
| 06:45.01 | Stryker_ | Type I |
| 06:45.22 | Stryker_ | The slot on the 5500, it supports both type I and II, correct? |
| 06:45.28 | wijnand | yes |
| 06:45.36 | Stryker_ | excellent. |
| 06:46.19 | Stryker_ | The 565 supported only Type I, so I had to drop close to $250 to get the Socket card.. |
| 06:48.54 | Stryker_ | How is Sharp with re-flashing bricks? |
| 06:49.23 | cdm | you don't brick 'em. |
| 06:49.49 | Stryker_ | oh.. was just reading the FAQ on your site.. |
| 06:49.57 | Stryker_ | must be for ipaqs then? |
| 06:50.31 | omoore | just got back... |
| 06:50.41 | omoore | i use wifi with both 5500 and 5600 |
| 06:50.57 | omoore | did you have aparticular question about them Stryker_? |
| 06:51.19 | omoore | btw.. you'll like the 5500 nearly as much as people like the 5600... |
| 06:51.38 | Stryker_ | omoore: Not really, was wondering if my Socket type I card was supported. |
| 06:51.47 | omoore | Stryker_: the diffs are significant in a few areas.. in some areas the 5500 is faster |
| 06:51.53 | Stryker_ | omoore: Yeah, I can't wait until it comes. |
| 06:52.17 | omoore | Stryker_: the 5500 actually has more of the fast kind of ram... |
| 06:52.39 | omoore | Stryker_: the 5500 boots much faster (tho you rarely do that) |
| 06:53.06 | omoore | Stryker_: but the 5600 has mic/speaker, is faster in general (but really, not much in real world experience)... |
| 06:53.17 | omoore | Stryker_: and the 5600's batt is way better |
| 06:53.46 | omoore | Stryker_: but... with the recent update to the 5500 Sharp ROM, it's pretty good match-up against the 5600 |
| 06:53.49 | Stryker_ | omoore: Yeah, I'll miss the speaker, I have one now on my 565 |
| 06:54.25 | Stryker_ | Will IntelliSync work with Evolution? |
| 06:54.27 | omoore | Stryker_: you'll want to either get some good headphones, cause the stereo output is great, or... |
| 06:54.45 | omoore | Stryker_: a combination mono-speaker/mic if you plan to do recordings |
| 06:54.54 | omoore | Stryker_: there is a perl script to do it.. |
| 06:55.11 | Stryker_ | omoore: good... |
| 06:55.23 | omoore | Stryker_: i was (and am) quite pleased with my old 5500... |
| 06:55.42 | omoore | Stryker_: i've loaded OZ onto the 5500 just to keep up with OZ |
| 06:55.51 | omoore | Stryker_: OZ is pretty darn cool |
| 06:55.55 | omoore | Stryker_: one thing tho... |
| 06:55.55 | Stryker_ | omoore: Have you tried the hand writting recognition on the PocketPC platform? |
| 06:56.01 | omoore | Stryker_: yes... |
| 06:56.04 | omoore | Stryker_: and palm |
| 06:56.14 | Stryker_ | omoore: How does it compare to the Zaurus? |
| 06:56.17 | omoore | Stryker_: zaurus hand writing is quite good in comparison |
| 06:56.25 | Stryker_ | cool |
| 06:56.27 | omoore | Stryker_: not necessarily better but very equal... |
| 06:56.36 | omoore | Stryker_: but i'm a palm graphitti fan... |
| 06:56.53 | omoore | Stryker_: and with the Z.. you can reprogram the drawings for characters |
| 06:57.02 | omoore | Stryker_: so when you get it... |
| 06:57.19 | Stryker_ | omoore: That's a neat idea, you can't do that on the PocketPC. |
| 06:57.25 | omoore | Stryker_: if there are diffs between it and the pocket pc,you can (if you like) make the z's graphitti match the pocket pc |
| 06:57.48 | omoore | Stryker_: AND the Palm AND it's native.. (tho i'm positive there wouold be conlficts if you did all of them :-) ) |
| 06:58.05 | Stryker_ | heh, yeah |
| 06:58.06 | omoore | Stryker_: what i mean is, you can have multiple drawings for the same char. |
| 06:58.16 | Stryker_ | right.. |
| 06:58.49 | omoore | Stryker_: you'll also want to google Zaurus Software Index.. lots of cool apps... |
| 06:58.59 | omoore | Stryker_: sample of what i've got loaded on mine... |
| 06:59.10 | Stryker_ | Yeah, I'm searching through that now. |
| 06:59.13 | omoore | Stryker_: samba (mount/share windows filesystem)... |
| 06:59.16 | omoore | Stryker_: apache |
| 06:59.20 | omoore | Stryker_: mysql |
| 06:59.31 | omoore | Stryker_: ssh.. and lots lots more |
| 06:59.42 | omoore | Stryker_: it's amazing what you can do with a Zaurus |
| 07:00.04 | Stryker_ | omoore: Yeah, I think it will be cool to have mysql on it. |
| 07:00.05 | omoore | Stryker_: we even use it for the device in our medical services company |
| 07:00.14 | omoore | Stryker_: and it works great |
| 07:00.46 | omoore | Stryker_: we can do remote support for the doctor by using ssh+vnc ON THE Z! :) |
| 07:01.22 | Stryker_ | afk a min.. |
| 07:02.26 | omoore | Stryker_: and with the embedded apache + php + mysql, you can create really cool apps |
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| 07:03.10 | omoore | Stryker_: just simply one awsome pda platform, nothing compares at all, unless all you are doing is PIM apps |
| 07:03.51 | omoore | Stryker_: cause that is the one area i am actually not impressed at all.. the PIM apps are actually 'fair' |
| 07:08.12 | Stryker_ | omoore: PIM doesn't matter much to me, just as long as the Task/Todo functionality is passable.. |
| 07:08.28 | omoore | oh, they work fine, and are good... |
| 07:08.36 | omoore | im' just actually a fan of Palm for PIM |
| 07:08.41 | omoore | PIM apps that is |
| 07:09.00 | wijnand | does anyone know where i can find the eurosymbol on my z's keyboard in OZ3.2? |
| 07:09.00 | Stryker_ | I haven't played much with the Palm's.. |
| 07:09.04 | omoore | i still preferr my Palm over anything i've used for PIM |
| 07:09.33 | omoore | plus.. my trusty palm can sit on the cradle for 30 mins and be good for aobut 4 days |
| 07:09.52 | Stryker_ | Yeah, that is nice.. |
| 07:10.42 | omoore | and Palm's grafitti is so freaking easy, i reprogram any zaurus i get with it's graphitti if it's for my personal use, then just reset it back when i'm done with the z |
| 07:11.33 | wijnand | omoore: i thought you can download a graffiti scheme for the on-screen handwriting tool |
| 07:11.46 | wijnand | in fact i know i did it once |
| 07:12.59 | omoore | wijnand: oh cool.. i'll note that for future reference :) |
| 07:13.23 | wijnand | :) |
| 07:15.08 | wijnand | opie-handwriting-graffitiset on the feed |
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| 13:07.07 | chrionix | should I be loading uhci as a module? Or is it alright to compile it into the kernel? |
| 13:10.24 | absentiaS | re |
| 13:11.25 | chrionix | re? |
| 13:12.34 | ljp_laptop | should be fine either way, chrionix |
| 13:13.10 | chrionix | arg, I can't figure out the cause of these dropouts. |
| 13:13.45 | ljp_laptop | you have uhci compiled into the kernel? |
| 13:13.53 | chrionix | yeap |
| 13:14.13 | ljp_laptop | hmm. |
| 13:15.13 | chrionix | So you don't think it's the usbdnet drivers I'm using? |
| 13:15.53 | ljp_laptop | could be |
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| 13:17.04 | ljp_laptop | you have a 5500? |
| 13:17.20 | chrionix | yeap |
| 13:22.30 | chrionix | I installed OZ, had to remove the sharp ROM from the CF card, and now I can't sync or swap files. It's starting to make me a little grumpy :) |
| 13:24.14 | ljp_laptop | cause it keeps dropping? |
| 13:25.26 | chrionix | yeah, it will be downloading a file, then just drop out |
| 13:25.56 | chrionix | if I run tcpdump on the desktop usb interface, it just starts sending out arp requests for the Z. But the Z doesn't answer. |
| 13:25.58 | ljp_laptop | where did you get the usbdnet module? |
| 13:26.29 | chrionix | I think there was a link to it on one of the networking with usb pages I read. |
| 13:27.26 | ljp_laptop | might give this one a try http://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/usbdnet-standalone.sl5xxx.tgz |
| 13:32.25 | chrionix | okay thanks man |
| 13:33.44 | vadim | ljp_laptop: for your desktop? it in every 2.4.x kernel sources |
| 13:35.13 | ljp_laptop | starting with 2.4.21-rc2 usbnet has support for zaurus. usbdnet is crap |
| 13:36.03 | chrionix | alright, I'll just upgrade to 2.4.21 |
| 13:36.19 | vadim | ljp_laptop: see no difference between usbnet and usbdnet |
| 13:36.50 | vadim | I use usbnet myself however |
| 13:37.07 | vadim | both needs patches to work with my zaurus |
| 13:37.26 | vadim | minor patches |
| 13:39.29 | ljp_laptop | I havent had a problem with either, either. but some people do |
| 13:40.18 | chrionix | omg I wish I wasn't getting problems |
| 13:40.21 | vadim | neither have support for my c700 |
| 13:40.43 | vadim | but that is only 1 additiinal structure in driver |
| 13:41.03 | chrionix | I would say it's probably not the usbdnet drivers causing me to lose my connection regularly, but I don't know what else to try. |
| 13:41.37 | vadim | chrionix: even if you ping your zaurus constantly? |
| 13:41.47 | ljp_laptop | well, usbdnet has been known to do that. but have you tried uchi as module? |
| 13:42.04 | chrionix | vadim: It cuts out half way through downloading a file |
| 13:42.13 | vadim | why namely uhci? |
| 13:42.14 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: nope. |
| 13:42.32 | chrionix | only compiled directly into the kernel |
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| 13:48.14 | vadim | I mount nfs filesystems from my desktop on my zaurus and never lose connection for hours |
| 13:49.42 | chrionix | congrats, I can't even download one file without it dropping out. |
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| 13:49.54 | ljp_laptop | chrionix: have you tried uchi-alt? |
| 13:49.59 | ljp_laptop | or whatever it is |
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| 13:50.12 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: nope, you think it would help? |
| 13:50.17 | ljp_laptop | dunno |
| 13:50.21 | ljp_laptop | doubt it |
| 13:50.41 | chrionix | hey kergoth: Congrats on the new job. :) I could be really far behind, just saw the page today. |
| 13:51.10 | kergoth | thanks |
| 13:51.48 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: There must be a reason for it. I found one post on the dev boards, but he fixed it himself, and didn't explain how :P |
| 13:53.50 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
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| 14:12.58 | chouimat | morning |
| 14:13.13 | chrionix | hey choui |
| 14:13.22 | doughecka | eavnin |
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| 14:16.55 | chrionix | guys, this is the first time I've patched a kernel, and now when I do a make modules modules_install I get the following error: |
| 14:17.01 | chrionix | make[2]: *** [usbdnet.o] Error 1 |
| 14:17.01 | chrionix | make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r5/drivers/usb' |
| 14:17.01 | chrionix | make[1]: *** [_modsubdir_usb] Error 2 |
| 14:17.01 | chrionix | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.20-gentoo-r5/drivers' |
| 14:17.01 | chrionix | make: *** [_mod_drivers] Error 2 |
| 14:17.30 | chrionix | do I have to unpatch the kernel first? |
| 14:17.33 | doughecka | bummmer :P |
| 14:17.41 | chrionix | hehe, yes it is :) |
| 14:17.59 | kergoth | thats not the error. |
| 14:18.03 | kergoth | you're pasting the effect, not the cause |
| 14:18.09 | kergoth | look farther up |
| 14:18.21 | chrionix | oh, the error then is that a lot of symbols are already defined. |
| 14:22.23 | vadim | chrionix: defined symbols is warning. not error |
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| 14:23.02 | chrionix | {standard input}:5504: Error: symbol `__module_parm_noisy_fcs' is already defined |
| 14:23.02 | ljp_laptop | bbl |
| 14:23.09 | chrionix | it says it's an error. |
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| 15:39.08 | warmi | hi |
| 15:40.07 | kergoth | hey warmi |
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| 15:46.05 | George- | heya |
| 15:46.37 | George- | yo mark |
| 15:49.41 | chouimat | George-: school? |
| 15:49.46 | George- | chouimat: yeah |
| 15:49.49 | chouimat | fuck |
| 15:49.57 | chouimat | George-: fuck |
| 15:49.59 | George- | hahaha |
| 15:50.35 | chouimat | George-: you're not fun anymore |
| 15:50.47 | George- | :D |
| 15:51.38 | George- | <chouimat> George-: <filtered> |
| 15:51.44 | George- | <chouimat> <filtered> |
| 15:51.53 | George- | haha |
| 16:10.00 | George- | hi kergoth |
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| 16:12.48 | kergoth | hi George- |
| 16:13.27 | George- | kergoth: happy at TI? |
| 16:13.35 | kergoth | yup |
| 16:13.41 | kergoth | its a good place to work |
| 16:15.49 | George- | got a cube now? :P |
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| 16:16.34 | kergoth | no |
| 16:16.37 | kergoth | got a laptop though |
| 16:16.41 | George- | heh |
| 16:16.49 | George- | more than I have |
| 16:16.54 | yeiazel | haha :) |
| 16:19.28 | tbux | Good whatever-time-of-day-it-is-for-you, everyone. |
| 16:19.37 | George- | I hate apple |
| 16:19.47 | chouimat | hi tbux |
| 16:19.55 | tbux | Hey, chou. |
| 16:20.12 | doughecka | I like green apples |
| 16:20.36 | chouimat | doughecka: yup those are good |
| 16:20.42 | tbux | Coffee, a pastry, an IRC client... and a broke-d!ck zaurus. What more could a guy want? |
| 16:21.24 | doughecka | an ipaq |
| 16:21.32 | George- | a dead powerbook. |
| 16:22.03 | tbux | I have an iPaq, too. And if I get the screen repaired again, it'll be its third. |
| 16:22.09 | doughecka | lol |
| 16:23.03 | George- | don't worry, I'm already on my third powerbook screen |
| 16:23.21 | doughecka | dont worry be happy! |
| 16:23.29 | tbux | On today's episode of "As the Zaurus Turns" our intrepid protagonist consults the gurus in #zaurus in search of a fix for a wep key that won't stick. |
| 16:23.34 | George- | and my third casing, and my third combo drive, and my second psu, and my second battery... |
| 16:23.54 | tbux | George- do you have *any* of your otiginal parts? |
| 16:24.32 | fishy | George-: what an unreliable piece of hardware |
| 16:24.52 | George- | tbux: a few |
| 16:25.03 | George- | fishy: I know :) |
| 16:25.20 | tbux | Like what? The thumb-slider that holds the lid shut? |
| 16:25.28 | George- | tbux: http://zorian.ath.cx/defective.html |
| 16:27.29 | tbux | Damn, G. That must've been built on a Friday afternoon. |
| 16:29.11 | tbux | So. What could possibly be screwing my WEP key (keeping it from sticking in the config)? Running oz and opie 0.9.9 |
| 16:29.44 | George- | tbux: dunno, but the damn thing has been in repair 4 times now. |
| 16:31.06 | tbux | I have a slab of cement that might work better for you. You can get it for about $.75 US at The Home Depot. |
| 16:31.30 | tbux | The thing almost never goes down, but the repairs are easy. |
| 16:31.55 | tbux | And you can do case mods with a hammer. |
| 16:32.54 | tbux | What should I be looking at for my wifi card config? The WEP key won't stay. |
| 16:33.06 | George- | probably more reliable as well |
| 16:33.27 | George- | any slabs of solid titanium though? :) |
| 16:33.57 | tbux | Re the slab, I've only had one crash, and that was because I was splitting wood on it (sledge hammer and a wedge) |
| 16:34.26 | George- | lol |
| 16:35.09 | tbux | Anyone in here up on z and wifi? |
| 16:35.29 | kergoth | tbux: edit /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts |
| 16:35.36 | kergoth | tbux: comment out every line in that file |
| 16:35.49 | kergoth | then eject and reinsert and see if it comes up |
| 16:37.27 | George- | hah, wifi is one of the only things that WORK on my laptop |
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| 16:41.23 | George- | gtg |
| 16:42.01 | tbux | kergoth- it's still not allowing the wep key to stick. |
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| 16:45.23 | kergoth | tbux: that tells me nothing. |
| 16:45.27 | kergoth | tbux: elaborate. |
| 16:46.47 | tbux | Ok. Sorry. I'm trying to get on my wep-enabled network. I have the key and I put it in the wireless configuration encryption settings. When I tap OK and go back to it, the settings are reverted back to no encryption. I'm running oz and opie 0.9.9. |
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| 16:47.58 | kergoth | and are there wireless_ entries in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:48.08 | tbux | Looking... |
| 16:49.34 | tbux | Several. The key is in there multiple times. |
| 16:50.30 | fusion94- | anyone know of any rss applications for the Z ? |
| 16:50.40 | tbux | The lines look like "146 [1] restricted key [1] \n wireless_mode managed \n wireless_essid any \n wireless_key xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 16:51.19 | tbux | There's one "restricted and four "open", all with the same key. |
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| 16:53.43 | noidd | kergoth, raa raa rah |
| 16:54.58 | noidd | and all was silent |
| 16:55.06 | tbux | Huh? |
| 16:55.11 | cyn | sounds like he doesn't want to use the config manager to enter the WEP stuff - coz it sure seems like it's not reading the file or somethin |
| 16:55.30 | cyn | it's like it's pretending the file is empty and creatin a new entry each time, right? |
| 16:55.50 | tbux | Prolly. Maybe I should try deleting all the key entries. |
| 16:56.28 | cyn | didn't he already tell you to clear the file? |
| 16:56.37 | tbux | No, that was the wireless.opts |
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| 17:22.37 | tbux | Kergoth- the WEP key problem was apparently caused by a screwed interfaces file. The thing still won't get an IP address from the WAP, tho. DHCP is turned on, the interface shows as up in ifconfig, just no address and the link light is still blinking (showing disconnected). |
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| 18:17.07 | tbux | Kergoth? You still with us? |
| 18:19.34 | tbux | I guess I could throw it out there for the whole channel... I'm trying to get my wifi working again. Running oz and opie 0.9.9. My adapter is just sitting there blinking and not getting an IP address (ifconfig shows it's up.) WEP is turned on and the key is reported correctly. What else could be broken here? |
| 18:20.12 | fdask | what card? |
| 18:20.19 | tbux | dlink |
| 18:20.54 | tbux | <WORDS type=famous extent=lsat> It worked yesterday. </WORDS> |
| 18:20.59 | fdask | i have to go pick up my linksys wcf12 in a few hours |
| 18:21.02 | tbux | s/lsat/last/ |
| 18:21.27 | kergoth | tbux: what version of ifupdown are you running? |
| 18:22.14 | tbux | 0.6.4 |
| 18:25.57 | tbux | Kergoth- should I be using a different version? |
| 18:34.38 | tbux | What's the most recent/stable/recommended version of ifup/ifdown? |
| 18:44.18 | tbux | Anyone? Anyone?..... something-d-o-o networking. Anyone? Anyone? Beuller? |
| 18:44.31 | tbux | voodoo networking. |
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| 18:52.43 | vadim | "stable" ifup?? |
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| 19:01.49 | tbux | Looks like I'm stuck on a different access point, and I can't get it to go away. |
| 19:02.17 | tbux | The essid shows up as test, I'm going for one that is (not test). |
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| 19:09.44 | zaurus_lover | hi friends |
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| 19:10.07 | zaurus_lover | wanted to know if the Linksys WCF12 Wi-Fi card works with the C7x0 series ? |
| 19:10.12 | zaurus_lover | Anyone reporting a success ? |
| 19:10.32 | tbux | Dunno. Newbie SL5500 driver here. |
| 19:10.35 | yeiazel | it should |
| 19:10.59 | yeiazel | it's just a plain good ol' prism chip... |
| 19:11.11 | kybu | hi |
| 19:11.18 | yeiazel | (it works with debian on my laptop and with oz on my z) |
| 19:11.27 | zaurus_lover | ok cuz I had read some folks had problems ... |
| 19:11.35 | zaurus_lover | any C700/C750 owners tried it ? |
| 19:14.33 | tbux | I'm still trying to sort out why my z is trying to drink from the wrong wifi access point. |
| 19:15.08 | yeiazel | water is better there |
| 19:19.25 | tbux | Man. I have the channel and essid forced ait it's *still* looking at this other network. |
| 19:19.35 | tbux | s/ait/and/ |
| 19:19.53 | kergoth | what other network? it shows the access point's mac? |
| 19:20.11 | tbux | Yup. |
| 19:20.39 | kergoth | fun. you should be able to specify the mac of the ap you want to associate with |
| 19:20.45 | kergoth | i forget the iwconfig syntax |
| 19:21.42 | tbux | I'm tryine it from the network settings panel first. |
| 19:21.50 | kergoth | k |
| 19:24.19 | zaurus_lover | tbux : hey, you get free net access from your neighbour ? :)) |
| 19:24.54 | tbux | Holy crap. The Z is acting as an AP and trying to connect to itself. That's the "test" essid. I have an ipaq w/ministumbler and verified it. |
| 19:25.02 | zaurus_lover | kergoth is there a OZ port for the C750 in the works ? |
| 19:25.30 | kergoth | zaurus_lover: no 'port' is necessary. when sharp releases the kernel sources, we'll add the kernel build, and will be able to produce images for it |
| 19:25.40 | kergoth | zaurus_lover: none of us have one to do testing though. |
| 19:25.53 | zaurus_lover | oh ... I got a C750 ... |
| 19:26.00 | yeiazel | hehe :) |
| 19:26.16 | yeiazel | here we got the new c750 official oz beta tester :) |
| 19:26.23 | zaurus_lover | hahah :) |
| 19:26.36 | tbux | So... what process do I have to kill to make the z stop trying to serve itself up? |
| 19:26.39 | kergoth | zaurus_lover: has sharp released its kernel sources or a rom? |
| 19:26.54 | kergoth | zaurus_lover: also, what kernel is running on it out of the box? |
| 19:26.59 | kergoth | zaurus_lover: (uname -a) |
| 19:28.09 | tbux | Is the hostap module the thing that makes it be an access point? |
| 19:28.13 | zaurus_lover | brb |
| 19:29.37 | kergoth | hostap is a driver |
| 19:29.42 | kergoth | for prism cards |
| 19:29.55 | kergoth | that also happens to be able to put the card in master mode to act as an ap |
| 19:31.40 | kergoth | ibot: google for HostAP |
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| 19:41.09 | tbux | I removed the hostap modules and am rebooting. Looks (off the top) like it'll work. (holding breath). |
| 19:41.27 | kergoth | uhh? |
| 19:41.36 | kergoth | hostap is your drivers for your nic |
| 19:41.40 | kergoth | which i told you already |
| 19:41.55 | kergoth | without those, you arent getting anywhere |
| 19:42.29 | tbux | Eek. Well, I've gne and e-screwed myself. |
| 19:42.57 | kergoth | if you have a cf reader or usb connectivity, you can get the hostap-modules ipk reinstalled |
| 19:43.07 | kergoth | if wifi was your only means of connectivity, you're hosed |
| 19:43.25 | mewyn | damn |
| 19:43.27 | tbux | mmmmmmmm.... yup. |
| 19:43.41 | tbux | I guess I can reflash for the bazillionth time. |
| 19:45.30 | zaurus_lover | kergoth : Not sure about the kernel sources / rom ... the C750 has : Linux zaurus 2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix #1 Sat May 10 2003 14:51:36 +0900 armv5tel unknown |
| 19:46.04 | kergoth | zaurus_lover: hmmk |
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| 19:46.55 | mewyn | kergoth: new fujitsu p-series laptop |
| 19:48.10 | tbux | Good old c-d-reset. What would we do without it. |
| 19:49.52 | zaurus_lover | kergoth u in TI now ? |
| 19:52.45 | kergoth | zaurus_lover: yep |
| 19:53.21 | zaurus_lover | cool ! congrats |
| 19:53.49 | mewyn | kergoth: check it out http://webshop.fujitsupc.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P5 |
| 19:54.41 | zaurus_lover | to the 700 owners : after converting to english, does the address book, input field show blocks (and not text) ? |
| 19:54.56 | zaurus_lover | i used the locale.conf method |
| 19:59.05 | tbux | Is there an oz image with opie 0.9.9 in it already? |
| 20:00.13 | vadim | zaurus_lover: text |
| 20:00.34 | vadim | no blocks |
| 20:02.47 | zaurus_lover | brb from meeting |
| 20:02.54 | zaurus_lover | 20 mins |
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| 20:27.45 | kergoth | hey noidd |
| 20:27.56 | noidd | heya kergoth, long time no see |
| 20:27.58 | noidd | hows things? |
| 20:28.18 | kergoth | pretty good, getting settled at the new job |
| 20:28.23 | kergoth | how you been? |
| 20:28.24 | noidd | new job? |
| 20:28.32 | noidd | left your terminal servers behind eh? :-) |
| 20:28.35 | kergoth | see the openzaurus.org news page for details |
| 20:28.38 | kergoth | oh hell yes |
| 20:28.41 | kergoth | heheh |
| 20:28.53 | noidd | hmm, something Z related? |
| 20:29.12 | kergoth | not Z related, but embedded linux, yes |
| 20:29.22 | noidd | a company has actually recognised you for embedded stuff instead of fucking breakout boxes |
| 20:29.25 | noidd | sorry, language :-) |
| 20:29.47 | noidd | oh, thats ammazing |
| 20:29.50 | noidd | nice one! |
| 20:29.53 | noidd | <-- read the page |
| 20:30.16 | noidd | I didn't know that TI did embedded linux stuff |
| 20:30.57 | noidd | ohh ohh, good stuff |
| 20:31.08 | noidd | putting more focus on the openembedded buildsystem too |
| 20:31.09 | noidd | cool |
| 20:31.21 | noidd | looks like I have some catching up to do |
| 20:31.28 | noidd | as for me - i've been busy as hell with work |
| 20:31.33 | zaurus_lover | vadim : Hmm ... On the C750, when I enter text, in the fields, (Address Book, Calendar etc) ... I get square blocks !! |
| 20:31.48 | zaurus_lover | Sometimes this happens from the hardware keyboard also ... |
| 20:31.49 | noidd | Zaurus wise, and perl wise... my patches are now in the perl source distribution |
| 20:31.56 | kergoth | glad to hear it |
| 20:32.02 | noidd | will be in perl-5.8.1 and perl-5.9 |
| 20:32.02 | zaurus_lover | what could be done to remove this ... |
| 20:32.14 | cyn | c750 is already OUT |
| 20:32.17 | cyn | damn dood |
| 20:32.24 | zaurus_lover | cyn YES ! I have one |
| 20:32.28 | cyn | I really wish i had waited on my c700 haha |
| 20:32.29 | noidd | openzaurus.org has prominant linkage in Cross/README |
| 20:32.42 | noidd | the entire /Cross directory is perl core CVS is mine |
| 20:32.42 | cyn | zaurus_lover: what's the flash/ram specs on that, 32 flash 64 ram ? |
| 20:32.44 | noidd | muhaha |
| 20:32.49 | zaurus_lover | got it last saturday ... |
| 20:32.53 | cyn | zaurus_lover: the physical hardware, not the 'default config' |
| 20:32.58 | kergoth | noidd: nice :) |
| 20:33.17 | kergoth | cyn: i doubt itd be 32 flash, the c700 had 64.. and i couldnt see them dlowering it :) |
| 20:33.19 | noidd | as long as I don't wander out of that directory I can't break anything :-) |
| 20:33.28 | zaurus_lover | cyn : See my notes on externe.net/zaurus/forum Hardware section : Note : SL-C750 : First Impressions )(USA) |
| 20:33.30 | kergoth | s/dlow/low/ |
| 20:33.39 | noidd | i've not seenthe new machines yet |
| 20:33.43 | zaurus_lover | 64MB Flash/ 64 MB DRAM |
| 20:33.48 | noidd | Oh, on other news - My emmigration now has a date |
| 20:33.51 | tbux | What's the difference between the konqueror-snapshot and konqueror-snapshot-full packages? |
| 20:33.51 | cyn | kergoth: whats the diff on 750 760 then, its gotta be flash or ram, and i didnt think it was ram |
| 20:34.00 | noidd | I have a one-way ticket to NC for July 1st 2003 |
| 20:34.09 | zaurus_lover | cyn : 760 has 128MB Flash / 64 MB RAM |
| 20:34.17 | cyn | ah |
| 20:34.19 | cyn | so other is 64/64 |
| 20:34.22 | zaurus_lover | yeah |
| 20:34.23 | kergoth | cyn: 750 and 760 are pxa255 also, not pxa250 |
| 20:34.25 | tbux | noidd- sounds like active duty military. |
| 20:34.27 | cyn | yah man 750 i fine |
| 20:34.33 | cyn | kergoth: that much i knew, i meant the diff between them |
| 20:34.34 | zaurus_lover | yup |
| 20:34.37 | kergoth | 128mb flash is insane |
| 20:34.42 | kergoth | i barely know what to do with 32 |
| 20:34.43 | cyn | it's also builtin |
| 20:34.45 | cyn | why pay for it |
| 20:34.45 | kergoth | :) |
| 20:34.56 | cyn | rather buy a sd stick with it |
| 20:34.59 | zaurus_lover | the speed is pretty good too |
| 20:35.51 | zaurus_lover | kergoth : With 64MB flash (about 32 usable), I only have about 6 MB left for apps ... Most apps seem to want to be installed in Flash :( |
| 20:36.20 | cyn | yeah for sharprom :P |
| 20:36.35 | cyn | they prolly still have like 5 or 6 megs of japanese stuff on there |
| 20:37.02 | zaurus_lover | I've tried the Socket Low Power ethernet Wi-Fi cards ... it gives a good life ... but always complains ... The signal is low ... |
| 20:37.08 | zaurus_lover | cyn : yup :) |
| 20:37.15 | zaurus_lover | waiting for OZ for the C750 |
| 20:37.33 | cyn | no yer waitin on sharp :) |
| 20:37.35 | noidd | tbux: nope, married an american - just finished fighting with INS and IRS |
| 20:37.40 | cyn | rather, oz is |
| 20:38.06 | zaurus_lover | So, I've got rid of that and now waiting for my Linksys card ... |
| 20:38.22 | zaurus_lover | the VPN client is neat too |
| 20:38.33 | zaurus_lover | also going for Lexar |
| 20:38.49 | zaurus_lover | Lexar's 256 MB card (Secure Digital) on which there is a deal on right now |
| 20:39.09 | kergoth | zaurus_lover: i checked the zaurus spacetown.. they have q&a, but no rom versions avail yet, and no sources on more.sbc.co.jp |
| 20:39.12 | kergoth | figured i'd check |
| 20:39.13 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:39.33 | zaurus_lover | I still have to get Intellisync working ... plus the "blocks" instead of text :) |
| 20:39.44 | zaurus_lover | kergoth : ah ok |
| 20:39.50 | vadim | zaurus_lover: do you have c750? |
| 20:39.57 | zaurus_lover | vadim : YES ! |
| 20:40.00 | cyn | hmmm two c700's sold on ebay yesterday for 380 and 450 respectively |
| 20:40.04 | kergoth | hmm |
| 20:40.11 | kergoth | i wonder |
| 20:40.11 | tbux | Is there a utility other than tar that will back up the root file system to a mounted cf/sd? |
| 20:40.44 | kergoth | tbux: tar is preferred |
| 20:40.55 | kergoth | tbux: you can back up the root image w/ dd, but its not safe |
| 20:41.25 | zaurus_lover | Question : If I want to try the other methods of conversion to English (other than locale.conf), do I have to first switch the |
| 20:41.33 | zaurus_lover | locale.conf language back to "ja" ? |
| 20:41.58 | tbux | K. I'm just trying to figure out ways to do the tewak-and-crash phase without having to COMPLETELY reload across the Internet every time |
| 20:42.19 | noidd | oh shit, i've completely forgotten all the bk commands :-P |
| 20:42.27 | noidd | lol |
| 20:42.35 | zaurus_lover | damn neat : The Netfront browser is tab based like Opera or Netscape 7.x |
| 20:42.48 | tbux | I'm not afraid to blow the Z up, it's just getting tedious dragging everything across the Internet. |
| 20:43.39 | kergoth | noidd: bitkeeper.com, hit up the quick reference pdf. print it |
| 20:43.41 | kergoth | noidd: :) |
| 20:43.53 | zaurus_lover | anyone here that converted the C700 Intellisync (from CD) to English by copying all the DLLs to the Sharp folder ? |
| 20:44.19 | zaurus_lover | I can't get things in English after doing that ... using Win XP ... |
| 20:47.16 | cyn | oh 7600 also has a bigger battery |
| 20:47.19 | cyn | 760 rather |
| 20:47.23 | zaurus_lover | news : If you aren't aware of the Lexar 256 MB Secure Digital Card deal, look at news.com.com (section Price comparisons) then enter "Lexar 256MB" ... there is a $20 rebate ... so you get it for almost $49.99 (ARF) |
| 20:47.58 | zaurus_lover | cyn : With an external cover you can use the bigger C760/5600 battery with the C750 also |
| 20:48.02 | cyn | ya |
| 20:48.14 | zaurus_lover | search product code EL-B08K |
| 20:48.17 | cyn | and the c700 (im not clear if theres a newer run of them on that or what) |
| 20:48.25 | cyn | so it might be only and some c700s? |
| 20:48.26 | zaurus_lover | not sure about that |
| 20:48.46 | cyn | "EA-BL08 in C700 - No shaving!" |
| 20:48.58 | zaurus_lover | yup seen that |
| 20:49.05 | cyn | oh not the same item |
| 20:49.07 | cyn | mm |
| 20:49.09 | cyn | weird |
| 20:51.01 | cyn | kergoth: btw when we moved we stopped drinking soda and didn't get cable - I must recommend moving as the best method to change habits easily |
| 20:51.01 | zaurus_lover | yes the "K" is for the extra cover that comes along with the battery ... I will be getting mine later in June when its released |
| 20:51.29 | cyn | ohhhhh |
| 20:51.38 | cyn | K is for Cover |
| 20:51.52 | cyn | eh, bad translation |
| 20:52.05 | kergoth | cyn: hehe, I stopped drinking coffee when i moved. maybe i should cut my soda intake too |
| 20:52.17 | cyn | I was real impressed with how easy it was |
| 20:52.28 | cyn | we switched to water and koolaid (and milk for dinner) |
| 20:52.36 | wijnand | does anyone know how i can make a euro symbol from the keyboard in openzaurus? |
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| 20:53.32 | noidd | which ROM wijnand? US? UK? German? |
| 20:53.44 | noidd | oh, openzaursu |
| 20:53.47 | wijnand | hehe |
| 20:53.47 | noidd | sorry, ignore me |
| 20:54.17 | wijnand | i suppose its the same on the us/uk rom though... but i have a german Z so it's all slightly messed up |
| 20:54.25 | zaurus_lover | clear |
| 20:54.27 | zaurus_lover | oops |
| 20:57.19 | zaurus_lover | I tried the Pretec CompactGPS with the 750 ... didn't work ... need to see other product s |
| 20:57.34 | wijnand | noidd: do you know which combination it is on the us rom? |
| 20:57.40 | noidd | wijnand; I don't actually know the answer to your question - sorry :-/ |
| 20:57.44 | kergoth | wijnand: download the keymap pdf |
| 20:57.50 | kergoth | it should mention it |
| 20:57.51 | wijnand | where? |
| 20:57.56 | wijnand | where-ish :) |
| 20:57.57 | kergoth | uh, zaurus.com |
| 20:57.59 | wijnand | ok ta |
| 20:58.00 | kergoth | with everything else |
| 20:58.01 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:01.30 | zaurus_lover | kergoth : any clue why I could be seeing blocks instead of text in the input fields of Address book/calendar/todo) when I input characters from the |
| 21:01.40 | zaurus_lover | hardware keyboard and software keyboard ? |
| 21:01.48 | zaurus_lover | and a remedy ? |
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| 21:14.28 | Twiun | zaurus_lover: sounds like your font doesn't have the characters for what you're typing, did you change the default font? |
| 21:14.54 | kergoth | hmm |
| 21:15.26 | kergoth | i should setup a script on the laptop so when its on the work network it sets up the http proxy configs for ssh, wget, etc, and removes them when i'm on the home network |
| 21:16.09 | noidd | so, kergoth - is what you're doing at TI public knowledge? |
| 21:16.13 | noidd | or all NDA stuff |
| 21:16.20 | kergoth | noidd: NDA atm |
| 21:16.29 | noidd | ok, cool |
| 21:16.34 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: ssh uses http proxy? |
| 21:16.49 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: the only way to do anything from ti is via their http proxy |
| 21:16.57 | TheMasterMind1 | weird |
| 21:17.06 | zaurus_lover | twuin : Change the default font ? I did install some unicode fonts .. |
| 21:17.13 | kergoth | and of course every linux app's proxy config is different.. |
| 21:17.16 | kergoth | bleh |
| 21:17.27 | zaurus_lover | for conversion to english : as specified at Zaurus Kaikan pages |
| 21:17.29 | TheMasterMind1 | most use HTTP_PROXY commandline |
| 21:17.50 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: yeah, the well done ones follow wget's conventions |
| 21:18.07 | TheMasterMind1 | cd /home/agupta/buildroot/output/ipks; /home/agupta/buildroot/scripts/mkipkg --strip=arm-linux-strip /home/agupta/buildroot/build/ipktemp/ncurses-term-5.3.20021109-1 |
| 21:18.10 | TheMasterMind1 | whys that just sitting there |
| 21:18.11 | kergoth | ssh is an exception, and cvs pserver i'm not even sure how to implement it |
| 21:18.16 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: let it go. its just really fucking slow |
| 21:18.24 | noidd | Well, i'm really happy someone has got you for something good |
| 21:18.30 | noidd | you were wasted in unix supprot |
| 21:18.32 | TheMasterMind1 | mkipkg: cannot find ipkg-build, exiting... |
| 21:18.33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: its cause there are thousands of little files, and its iterating through em |
| 21:18.34 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: hm i see |
| 21:18.45 | zaurus_lover | so whats different on the C750 and the C700 font wise :) ? since I folks here mention that the 700 (on conversion to english via the locale.conf method) doesn't screw up the fonts ... |
| 21:19.00 | zaurus_lover | I am seeing this issue even before I installed the unicode fonts on my C750 |
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| 22:57.41 | zaurus_lover | how do I set up the Z to access the net via my USB connection on my laptop (XP) and also to Sync to Outlook ? I Can't seem to get that working ... I have configured and provided the laptop end (SL-C750 NDIS Driver) an address of a.b.c.d and my Z has a.b.c.e |
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