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| 00:11.08 | Fare | hi |
| 00:11.19 | Fare | has anyone got a C700 ? |
| 00:11.57 | fliplap | lots of people, might not be around right now tho |
| 00:12.16 | G`Sleeping | Fare: Harlekin in #KDE-Devel does |
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| 00:13.39 | G`Sleeping | yo raster |
| 00:13.59 | raster | G`Sleeping: mornin'! |
| 00:14.15 | G`Sleeping | raster: heh, I suppose you could call 1:15 am as morning :) |
| 00:14.26 | raster | heheheh |
| 00:16.14 | G`Sleeping | ;) |
| 00:20.11 | G`Sleeping | wth |
| 00:20.21 | G`Sleeping | someone just sent me an email at 1:20 am?!?! |
| 00:25.58 | chouimat|food | G`Sleeping: at your age you should really sleep at this hour |
| 00:26.06 | G`Sleeping | chouimat|food: shut up :P |
| 00:27.22 | chouimat|food | G`Sleeping: :) |
| 00:28.09 | G`Sleeping | :D |
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| 01:22.51 | Zxcvb | anyone here? |
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| 01:25.57 | chrionix | rofl, there's a typing tutor for the Z |
| 01:26.26 | ljp_laptop | hehehe give your thumbs good workout |
| 01:26.50 | Zxcvb | with the Z's keyboard, it wouldn't suprise me |
| 01:27.01 | Zxcvb | how well does the pocketop keyboard work with OZ anyway? |
| 01:29.19 | chrionix | I shouldn't have bought this damn thing. Now I need a wireless router, CF card, and some memory. |
| 01:29.56 | chrionix | not to mention I didn't get any work done last night, I was up all night playing nethack in bed. |
| 01:30.10 | Zxcvb | chrionix: it is a portable computer |
| 01:30.39 | chrionix | Zxcvb: Okay. |
| 01:32.53 | chrionix | hey, do any of you guys code on their Z, and if so, what's a good editor for it? |
| 01:33.17 | ljp_laptop | opie has tiny kate |
| 01:33.23 | ljp_laptop | there also tkcEditor |
| 01:33.32 | chrionix | oooh, kate is pretty cool |
| 01:33.41 | ljp_laptop | or uemacs |
| 01:34.14 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: So do you keep opie on an SD card? |
| 01:35.30 | ljp_laptop | nope |
| 01:35.47 | ljp_laptop | I do have apps installed there |
| 01:36.07 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: do you use opie? |
| 01:36.45 | ljp_laptop | I use both opie and sharp rom on my z's. I am opie core developer |
| 01:36.53 | chrionix | omg :) |
| 01:37.09 | chrionix | Well pleased to meet you. :) When you come over, I'll pick yer brain |
| 01:37.25 | ljp_laptop | ok, great! |
| 01:37.39 | chrionix | So where do you keep opie? on the ram? |
| 01:38.43 | ljp_laptop | ya, I use 24/6 mem config |
| 01:38.50 | ljp_laptop | or whatever it is |
| 01:39.05 | ljp_laptop | justr cant run opieplayer2 is all |
| 01:39.22 | chrionix | what does that mean? Is there info on the opie page, for noobs like myself? |
| 01:39.30 | ljp_laptop | you'll have to show me the brisbane hot spots |
| 01:39.53 | ljp_laptop | well, that should be on the openzaurus site, actually |
| 01:40.07 | ljp_laptop | openzaurus.org |
| 01:40.21 | chrionix | Of course! Although here in brissie, they're more like moderately warm spots :) |
| 01:40.34 | doughecka | not this again |
| 01:40.49 | chrionix | lol |
| 01:41.11 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 01:41.13 | chrionix | in a room full of geeks, it's inevitable that surf chick talk will come up. |
| 01:41.21 | doughecka | whats surf? |
| 01:41.22 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:41.30 | doughecka | oooh, you mean that stuff by the sea? |
| 01:41.56 | ljp_laptop | I bring that up, cause I was at my parents house and watched a show called 'surf girls' and they were in gold coast |
| 01:42.31 | chrionix | hehehe |
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| 01:43.44 | chrionix | the gold coast is about an hour away from brissie, just enough time for us to get loaded :) |
| 01:43.51 | chrionix | hehehe |
| 01:44.00 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 01:44.06 | chrionix | Of course, I just lost my license, so you'll have to drive. :P |
| 01:44.11 | zaurus_lover | chrionix hey mate, you in ozzie land ? |
| 01:44.19 | doughecka | LOST it?!?! |
| 01:44.23 | doughecka | how can you loose it? |
| 01:44.25 | chrionix | zaurus_lover: I am indeed. |
| 01:44.30 | chouimat|shower | ljp_laptop: take a big appartment there cause you will probably have some visitors |
| 01:44.40 | zaurus_lover | ahaa ... neat place that is ! |
| 01:44.50 | ljp_laptop | I will be soon, when my work visa gets approved |
| 01:44.56 | chrionix | Well to be more precise, it was taken away from me due to exessive speeding violations :) |
| 01:45.04 | doughecka | ah |
| 01:45.04 | ljp_laptop | appartment?! a house, dudewa! |
| 01:45.12 | doughecka | my car wont be doing anyy speeding |
| 01:45.13 | chouimat|shower | ljp_laptop: ok |
| 01:45.15 | chrionix | zaurus_lover: you stuck down here as well? |
| 01:45.26 | doughecka | note: if you rebuild your own car, you wont be speeding it |
| 01:45.34 | zaurus_lover | chrionix :) was 10 yrs ago at the Gong ! In US now ... |
| 01:46.01 | zaurus_lover | luv ozzie land |
| 01:46.17 | chrionix | zaurus_lover: lol, never been to the gong |
| 01:46.31 | zaurus_lover | k ... syd and brisbane are awesome too ! |
| 01:46.44 | zaurus_lover | so is phillip island (Melb) |
| 01:47.03 | ljp_laptop | whats the gong? |
| 01:47.13 | chrionix | So ljp_laptop, It says on the OZ page that I need a cf card. |
| 01:47.17 | ljp_laptop | heh |
| 01:47.20 | chrionix | woollongong(sp) |
| 01:47.23 | zaurus_lover | wollongong ... a small industrial town near Sydney |
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| 01:47.31 | ljp_laptop | ahhh |
| 01:47.32 | chrionix | It's a small town |
| 01:47.34 | icefox | http://dinomite.net/photos/photo.php?gallery=RIT/people/&file=zaurus%20lick%200.JPG |
| 01:47.36 | icefox | yah... |
| 01:47.39 | ljp_laptop | ya heard of it |
| 01:48.24 | doughecka | strang people |
| 01:48.45 | chouimat|shower | ljp_laptop: enjoy |
| 01:48.46 | doughecka | huhh |
| 01:48.53 | doughecka | You have 5 Moderator Points! Use 'em or lose 'em! |
| 01:48.58 | doughecka | but I dont get the menus |
| 01:49.10 | chouimat|shower | icefox: pervert |
| 01:49.12 | Joelw | ljp_laptop: You want to buy a Fiero in Australia? The only ones I've seen have been shipped over from the USA and converted to RHD! |
| 01:49.18 | icefox | chouimat|shower: eh not me |
| 01:49.35 | Zxcvb | Joelw: RHD? |
| 01:49.35 | ljp_laptop | yup. I know. I own one here |
| 01:49.47 | Joelw | Zxcvb: Right hand drive |
| 01:49.50 | doughecka | chouimat|shower: IRC in the shower? sweet |
| 01:49.51 | ljp_laptop | I have contacted a guy about one already. they are fairly expensive |
| 01:50.05 | doughecka | whats a fairo? |
| 01:50.13 | ljp_laptop | pontiac fiero |
| 01:50.15 | doughecka | aircooled? |
| 01:50.19 | Zxcvb | Joelw: i would like to see one converted to no steering wheel |
| 01:50.24 | doughecka | oh, one of those watercooled monsters |
| 01:50.40 | doughecka | Zxcvb: go sit in the corner for that.... :) |
| 01:50.43 | Joelw | Zxcvb: My old boss has one of those - it's been off the road for about two years. He's getting a twin-turbo conversion. |
| 01:51.40 | ljp_laptop | I could ship my fiero ther eand get it converted. then ship it back if I leave |
| 01:51.56 | Joelw | ljp_laptop: Is your RHD already? |
| 01:51.58 | ljp_laptop | or, convert it here first |
| 01:52.00 | ljp_laptop | no |
| 01:52.02 | Zxcvb | no, drive by wire with joystick/pad controls |
| 01:52.08 | Joelw | If you want to do that, install a second steering wheel so that you can use it in any country. |
| 01:52.14 | ljp_laptop | hehhehehehehe |
| 01:52.23 | doughecka | ahaah |
| 01:52.24 | zaurus_lover | better put one in the center :)))) |
| 01:52.26 | ljp_laptop | removable steering wheel, and pedals |
| 01:52.27 | Joelw | Any possibly some pontoons, so that it can be driven in the sea as well |
| 01:52.34 | doughecka | and wings |
| 01:52.38 | Zxcvb | no, full submarine conversion |
| 01:52.40 | zaurus_lover | like one of those prototypes at some car show |
| 01:52.43 | doughecka | and micro fusion jets |
| 01:52.45 | Zxcvb | like that lotus |
| 01:53.11 | zaurus_lover | make it amphibious while you are at it :) |
| 01:53.22 | doughecka | and make it go into space |
| 01:53.39 | Zxcvb | zaurus_lover: like that lotus in moonraker |
| 01:53.46 | zaurus_lover | yeah! :) |
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| 01:54.34 | Zxcvb | zaurus_lover: or was that a different one, too hard to keep track |
| 01:55.03 | Joelw | Zxcvb: It was either The Spy Who Love Me or that other one. Lotus Esprits have featured in two James Bond movies. |
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| 01:56.25 | kerr | anyone know how to configure the SL-5600 to use your USB connection for internet? |
| 01:56.28 | Zxcvb | Joelw: it was the lotus that was a submarine |
| 01:56.48 | kerr | the 5500 could do it, but none of the walkthroughs, etc match up in the 5600 |
| 01:56.49 | doughecka | ~zaurus docs |
| 01:56.54 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:56.56 | doughecka | I dunno |
| 01:57.53 | kerr | yeah, annoys me cause I have a wireless nic that came with it(thinkgeek.com has a deal) but I don't have anything wireless in my house yet, gonna get a card for my PC so I can use that, but for now it'd be nice to be able to get on the net with it.. |
| 01:58.23 | treke|home | didnt timothy dalton drive the lotus's? |
| 01:58.54 | chrionix | nope, it was roger more |
| 01:58.55 | chrionix | moore even |
| 01:59.10 | chrionix | Actually, you could be right, Dalton could have driven one also |
| 01:59.22 | ljp_laptop | JOhn Delorian |
| 01:59.26 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 01:59.49 | chrionix | But Moore had the lotus esprit in you only live twice I think |
| 02:00.07 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: So tell me man, I'm confused, can I put OZ on the internal ram? |
| 02:00.29 | treke|home | ljp_laptop: he would have sold more cars if he put a free kilo of cocaine in every car |
| 02:01.19 | ljp_laptop | hahahah |
| 02:01.31 | ljp_laptop | he got setup man |
| 02:01.58 | ljp_laptop | internal ram? as in a regular oz flash? |
| 02:02.52 | chrionix | Can I install OZ without a CF card? |
| 02:04.24 | ljp_laptop | oh. hmm |
| 02:04.34 | ljp_laptop | dunno |
| 02:05.00 | ljp_laptop | youdont have cf? |
| 02:05.39 | chrionix | not yet. After spending so much on the Z, $700 AU, my gf prohibited me from buying anything else tech related for a while. |
| 02:05.51 | chrionix | And I only got it yesterday. |
| 02:06.45 | ljp_laptop | get her a dozen roses, and get you a cf card. :P) |
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| 02:07.22 | chrionix | hehehe, okay I'll try that tonight. |
| 02:07.56 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 02:08.45 | chrionix | 96MB for $79, that's not too bad |
| 02:11.53 | ljp_laptop | 256mb for $68 us |
| 02:13.02 | ljp_laptop | ibot: 79*.65 |
| 02:13.03 | | 51.35 |
| 02:13.32 | chrionix | lol |
| 02:13.41 | chrionix | I told you AU is expensive. |
| 02:14.14 | ljp_laptop | not really, if you take into account the exchange rate |
| 02:14.27 | ljp_laptop | but you dont get paid is usd |
| 02:14.31 | ljp_laptop | ;) |
| 02:14.40 | chrionix | yeah, but you're comparing 96MB V. 256MB |
| 02:15.27 | ljp_laptop | hmm ok, lemme find a 96 |
| 02:16.04 | ljp_laptop | hmm 128 mb for 22$ |
| 02:16.33 | ljp_laptop | ibot: 22*.65 |
| 02:16.34 | | 14.3 |
| 02:16.40 | ljp_laptop | wait thats not right |
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| 02:17.19 | chrionix | ibot: 22*1.65 |
| 02:17.20 | | 36.3 |
| 02:19.02 | ljp_laptop | 64 mb for 30 |
| 02:19.10 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: how was the song? |
| 02:19.40 | ljp_laptop | oh. hmm |
| 02:19.44 | chrionix | damn, I just installed quake, but I need the original version. |
| 02:20.03 | chrionix | doh, quake on the Z would be sooo cool |
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| 04:10.58 | chrionix | Is there any way to dual boot a zaurus? So I can use both the sharp rom and OZ? |
| 04:11.09 | treke|home | no |
| 04:11.48 | cdm | treke, you and kergoth lazy or something? :) |
| 04:11.53 | chrionix | kk |
| 04:16.35 | treke|home | chrionix: lazy? |
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| 04:17.17 | chrionix | treke|home: I didn't say you were lazy, it was cdm. |
| 04:17.33 | treke|home | tab completion gone awry |
| 04:17.39 | chrionix | :) |
| 04:18.46 | chrionix | I love this little thing, but I should be getting some work done, I have to have a perl authentication server written in a few days. |
| 04:21.23 | chrionix | But I just can't stop mucking around with the new toy :) |
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| 04:23.34 | Hellaenergy | hi |
| 04:24.17 | Hellaenergy | So whats the new dope ass mobil phone to get now? |
| 04:24.34 | treke|home | nokia 8200 |
| 04:24.58 | chrionix | nah, that new dick tracy phone they unveiled in japan today. |
| 04:25.24 | Hellaenergy | which one? |
| 04:26.43 | Hellaenergy | nokia 3650 any good? |
| 04:26.45 | treke|home | I guess I just have simple taste in phones :p |
| 04:27.00 | chrionix | www.wristomo.com |
| 04:27.14 | Hellaenergy | that is simple |
| 04:27.55 | chrionix | well, you said "new dope ass mobil phone" :P |
| 04:28.21 | Hellaenergy | chrionix: I was talking to treke|home |
| 04:28.31 | Hellaenergy | chrionix: That is dope |
| 04:28.50 | Hellaenergy | won't be in the states for like two years though :( |
| 04:28.58 | chrionix | If you're talking to someone in particular you should put their name at the beginning of your sentence :P |
| 04:29.10 | Hellaenergy | chrionix: Go get laid |
| 04:29.18 | chrionix | I do nightly. |
| 04:29.28 | Hellaenergy | Then take a chill pill |
| 04:29.30 | chrionix | One of the perks of living with yer gf. |
| 04:30.08 | cdm | treke: kidding of course. |
| 04:30.16 | treke|home | hehe |
| 04:33.18 | Hellaenergy | This is nice http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,543701,00.asp |
| 04:33.51 | treke|home | the best cell phone is one with no service |
| 04:34.20 | Hellaenergy | so none at all |
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| 04:44.24 | Hellaenergy | anyone here used Zaval? |
| 04:47.31 | Hellaenergy | This looks a little more like my flavor motorola a760 |
| 04:49.57 | Hellaenergy | http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=1176&showComments=true |
| 04:53.47 | Hellaenergy | night |
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| 05:57.33 | aTypical | Hello all. How is everyone tonight? |
| 06:00.33 | aTypical | Is anyone familiar with any Education app for the Z that will allow me to track my classes, projects and grades? |
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| 06:16.45 | frankps | hi all |
| 06:30.32 | chrionix | Anyone got quake going on the Z? |
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| 07:33.28 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 09:08.53 | Twiun | Good morning! |
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| 09:08.58 | frankps | re |
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| 09:27.11 | mark | morning Twiun |
| 09:27.18 | Twiun | hey mark |
| 09:27.30 | Twiun | I'm procrastinating too! You're contagious :) |
| 09:28.05 | mark | hehe |
| 09:28.19 | mark | Twiun: what are you maent to be doing? |
| 09:29.10 | Twiun | lots of housework |
| 09:29.59 | mark | heh, don't blame you in that case :) |
| 09:34.20 | Twiun | A-level organic chemistry? |
| 09:34.51 | mark | AS level, so its not too bad. but still a pain |
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| 10:11.01 | G`Sleeping | moo |
| 10:11.06 | George- | hello |
| 10:11.34 | George- | mark: stop whining about your A-Levels |
| 10:13.03 | Twiun | George-: start whining about your GCSE's |
| 10:13.32 | George- | Twiun: why the hell should I? |
| 10:13.44 | George- | Twiun: the only problem with GCSEs are they're easy, but very very dull and boring |
| 10:14.16 | George- | Twiun: if I get anything lower than an A*, I'll be very disappointed |
| 10:15.45 | chrionix | hey guys |
| 10:16.08 | chrionix | anyone got quake going on the Z? |
| 10:17.52 | Twiun | chrionix: it's available... just god-awful slow |
| 10:18.21 | Twiun | chrionix: no-one's bothered to refactor it to use fixed-point math yet |
| 10:18.35 | Twiun | chrionix: Doom is imminently playable though |
| 10:18.45 | chrionix | Twiun: oh, I'm not sure what that means but okay ;) |
| 10:18.58 | chrionix | Twiun: Hrmm, that will do just as well :) |
| 10:19.17 | chrionix | Twiun: Quake just kept giving me a message that I had to have a legal copy or some such |
| 10:20.37 | chrionix | Twiun: is that prboom? |
| 10:21.04 | Twiun | chrionix: yeah, prboom is a port of doom |
| 10:21.09 | Twiun | chrionix: uses the SDL libraries |
| 10:21.55 | chrionix | Twiun: Sorry, very new to the Z :) |
| 10:22.22 | George- | whoa, SCO are a bunch of trigger-happy hippies |
| 10:22.32 | George- | shoot to kill! |
| 10:23.07 | phoen][x | ME SNEAK PAST TO BUN!!! |
| 10:24.11 | George- | phoen][x: that's a bit old now. |
| 10:24.13 | George- | anyway, bbiab |
| 10:24.27 | phoen][x | George-: haha, really? doh how could i forget that |
| 10:24.42 | phoen][x | 'round |
| 10:43.21 | George- | bleh |
| 10:43.22 | George- | back |
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| 10:59.26 | George- | THIS IS TORTURE! |
| 10:59.33 | George- | I WANNA PLAY STARCRAFT!! |
| 11:01.06 | George- | :P |
| 11:02.01 | yeiazel | :) |
| 11:02.13 | George- | hrmm |
| 11:02.19 | George- | StarCraft on PowerPC on Wine on qmeu |
| 11:02.25 | George- | s/qmeu/qemu/ |
| 11:02.35 | George- | yeiazel: that's impossible unless you're on a UMS |
| 11:02.43 | yeiazel | I am |
| 11:02.43 | yeiazel | :) |
| 11:02.45 | George- | bah |
| 11:03.00 | George- | and 1000 dragoons |
| 11:03.08 | George- | Zerg is crap |
| 11:03.09 | George- | :P |
| 11:03.13 | yeiazel | yes ;) |
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| 11:04.41 | George- | well, StarCraft was very playable on a Cyrix 200MHz |
| 11:04.52 | George- | (on WINE) |
| 11:05.10 | George- | I wonder if it'll be playable on a PPC G4 667MHz running qemu and wine :) |
| 11:08.46 | mark | George-: have u tried qemu yet? |
| 11:08.53 | George- | mark: I have no laptop. |
| 11:10.43 | mark | George-: i know you dont now, but you did |
| 11:10.59 | George- | mark: do you honestly think I've had time? |
| 11:11.14 | mark | yeh |
| 11:11.30 | George- | *format, send off for repair, comes back, reinstall linux, find another problem, format, send off for repair, comes back, reinstall linux, find another problem, format, send off for repair..." |
| 11:12.30 | mark | George-: 4) buy pc |
| 11:12.40 | mark | 5) be happy |
| 11:12.50 | yeiazel | :) |
| 11:13.45 | George- | mark: show me a PC laptop that's a) powerful, b) got a battery life of over 4 hours, c) got a big screen, d) lightweight, e) all-in-one design (ie - no docking bays etc), f) looks nice (not essential) |
| 11:14.00 | yeiazel | IBM T-series :) |
| 11:14.34 | George- | and that doesn't have one of those pencil erasor mice. |
| 11:14.40 | George- | I HATE THOSE MICE |
| 11:15.23 | yeiazel | :) |
| 11:16.13 | George- | so that rules all ibm machines out :P |
| 11:16.24 | George- | and I have a policy of not buying intel based computers |
| 11:16.28 | George- | if I go x86, I get AMD. |
| 11:17.05 | yeiazel | mobile amds suck |
| 11:17.24 | George- | Intel sucks :P |
| 11:17.31 | yeiazel | no |
| 11:17.54 | mark | yeh |
| 11:17.59 | mark | mobile amds do suck |
| 11:18.22 | George- | including the AMD Alchemy? :P |
| 11:18.26 | yeiazel | it you wanna cook something, yes, buy AMD-based computers... |
| 11:18.42 | Twiun | lol |
| 11:18.43 | yeiazel | « when you've got amd, you don't need a kitchen » |
| 11:18.49 | yeiazel | what a good ad !!! |
| 11:18.52 | George- | yeiazel: excuse me, what about those shockingly crap laptops based on the Pentium 4 DESKTOP cpu? |
| 11:19.13 | mark | George-: what about them? |
| 11:19.17 | George- | they get hot. |
| 11:19.25 | mark | yeh, they're not designed for it |
| 11:19.29 | George- | and anyway, my G4 gets hot |
| 11:19.35 | mark | blame OEMs, not intel |
| 11:21.26 | George- | I want a 17" pbook |
| 11:22.09 | yeiazel | I want a G4 in my Z |
| 11:22.10 | yeiazel | :p |
| 11:23.14 | George- | I want an AU1500 in my Z. |
| 11:23.37 | yeiazel | I want a geforce4 in my Z |
| 11:25.13 | George- | gtg |
| 11:25.14 | George- | cya all |
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| 11:33.32 | wijnand | does anyone know what the (unused) screwhole right above the text SL-5500G (in my case) on the back of my Z is for? I find it rather disturbing that it is unused :P |
| 11:35.38 | yeiazel | I think it's to attach it somewhere |
| 11:35.51 | wijnand | ah |
| 11:35.59 | yeiazel | for expositions or so, with a security system |
| 11:36.04 | wijnand | :P |
| 11:36.59 | pHluid | wijn: It's unused on all of them, if it makes you feel better |
| 11:37.04 | pHluid | dunno wtf it's there for though |
| 11:39.51 | wijnand | :P it helps |
| 11:39.56 | wijnand | i just noticed and was wondering |
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| 11:57.36 | Tha-Saint | so hi all |
| 12:01.51 | mark | ibot: convert 380 usd to gbp |
| 12:02.08 | mark | ibot: convert 380 usd to ukp |
| 12:02.19 | mark | ibot: convert 380 usd to GBP |
| 12:22.09 | mark | ibot: you suck |
| 12:22.13 | | :( |
| 12:23.22 | Joelw | ibot: You rul! |
| 12:23.23 | | Joelw: i don't know |
| 12:23.25 | Joelw | Err, ruly |
| 12:23.26 | Joelw | rule |
| 12:23.32 | Joelw | Lousy keyboard :) |
| 12:24.26 | wijnand | if you mix up the e and y i'm guessing it might not be the keyboard that's lousy ;) |
| 12:27.57 | Joelw | Lousy being incompetent :) |
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| 12:38.23 | wijnand | hehe |
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| 14:27.50 | aTypical | Hello all. |
| 14:27.58 | aTypical | Anyone using their Z with WinXP? |
| 14:28.07 | doughecka | me |
| 14:28.46 | aTypical | Do you have problems when you remove it from its cradle and then return it? I can never get the connection to go back on. |
| 14:29.08 | doughecka | not really, since I dont use the usb, |
| 14:29.39 | aTypical | Damn. |
| 14:29.53 | doughecka | I have a cf card |
| 14:29.55 | aTypical | I was really hoping someone else had this problem and was going to tell me how to fix it. |
| 14:30.04 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:38.47 | jaku | if you do |
| 14:38.47 | jaku | Maiguay, catamarano in Toscana, offre charter in catamarano in tutto il Mediterraneo, soprattutto nell' arcipelago toscano, Isola d'Elba, Capraia, Giannutri e Giglio |
| 14:39.11 | jaku | sorry... :) |
| 14:39.17 | doughecka | ~x es en Maiguay, catamarano in Toscana, offre charter in catamarano in tutto il Mediterraneo, soprattutto nell' arcipelago toscano, Isola d'Elba, Capraia, Giannutri e Giglio |
| 14:39.27 | doughecka | hrm |
| 14:39.34 | doughecka | ~x it en Maiguay, catamarano in Toscana, offre charter in catamarano in tutto il Mediterraneo, soprattutto nell' arcipelago toscano, Isola d'Elba, Capraia, Giannutri e Giglio |
| 14:39.42 | jaku | ok.. ok.. |
| 14:39.46 | jaku | :) |
| 14:39.47 | doughecka | cool |
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| 14:45.31 | jaku | if you make a 32memory-32storage partition.. in /dev/root how much is the total internal storage?? is it possible 14464?? or it has to be 32?? |
| 14:46.00 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.12 | doughecka | it holds the OS, so it only has like 4 megs free |
| 14:46.32 | doughecka | then the RAM part has 32/32 even split |
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| 14:48.01 | Fare | how do you change the keyboard keybindings? |
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| 14:56.18 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 14:56.21 | jaku | doughecka: hm.. so now I have 32megs for programs and 32 for files? |
| 14:56.56 | tux_mike | off the wall OT question, anyone know of a way to disconnect a remote X app, kinda like what screen does for console apps? |
| 14:57.09 | Fare | tux_mike: yes |
| 14:57.14 | Fare | you can use vnc |
| 14:57.27 | tux_mike | ok, without using vnc :) |
| 14:57.34 | Fare | not if you need high performance X applications, though |
| 14:57.47 | Fare | tux_mike: X is not designed for that |
| 14:58.00 | Fare | whatever you try will be vnc-style |
| 14:58.57 | Fare | maybe you could hack Xnest to be disconnectable |
| 14:59.42 | tux_mike | ah well, it was worth a shot asking. it's not too big a deal |
| 15:01.26 | kergoth | tux_mike: i was talking to the handhelds.org folks the other day.. they mentioned such a thing.. it cant disconnect completely, but can 'teleport' a running application from one X server to another. |
| 15:01.47 | kergoth | tux_mike: so you could hop it from the real one to a vnc one and back again.. use the vnc one as your 'disconnected' app dumping ground ;) |
| 15:03.03 | tux_mike | hrm |
| 15:03.06 | tux_mike | what is that? |
| 15:03.19 | kergoth | i dont recall its name.. something 'teleport'.. ask in #handhelds.org |
| 15:03.36 | Fare | my C sucks |
| 15:03.48 | Fare | if it were written in Erlang, this would all come for free |
| 15:04.44 | tux_mike | kergoth: so, how's ti? |
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| 15:08.21 | Fare | kergoth: where are the keyboard bindings defined? |
| 15:11.24 | tux_mike | this orange is beginning to annoy me |
| 15:12.34 | kergoth | Fare: uh, you need to be a bit more specific |
| 15:16.16 | Fare | kergoth: well, the keybindings in OZ are not the same as in the Sharp ROM |
| 15:16.46 | Twiun | Fare: in console mode, terminal app, opie, where? |
| 15:16.51 | Fare | and I don't know how to restore them to what they are in the Sharp ROM, or edit them. |
| 15:16.56 | kergoth | 'edit' |
| 15:16.57 | kergoth | heh |
| 15:16.59 | Fare | Twiun: in opie terminal, at least |
| 15:17.02 | kergoth | assuming sharp made them editable |
| 15:17.04 | kergoth | you're funny |
| 15:17.10 | kergoth | they hardcoded everything |
| 15:17.12 | Fare | well it's somewhere in software |
| 15:17.16 | kergoth | yes, in a binary |
| 15:17.22 | kergoth | feel free to disassemble away |
| 15:17.23 | Fare | that can be recompiled |
| 15:17.34 | kergoth | once again, as Twiun tried to ask, it depends on context |
| 15:17.41 | kergoth | opie terminal, the bindings are in qt/embedded |
| 15:17.44 | Fare | let's start with the opie terminal |
| 15:17.46 | kergoth | src/kernel/qkeyboard_qws.cpp |
| 15:17.58 | kergoth | see the numerous keyboard handlers, find the one that applies here |
| 15:18.00 | Fare | thanks |
| 15:18.11 | kergoth | pure console, drivers/char/collie_keymap.map controls keymap |
| 15:18.16 | kergoth | but all this is irrelevent in the next OZ |
| 15:18.23 | tux_mike | kergoth: do you use zelda much these days? |
| 15:18.25 | Fare | it's not collie - it's the C700 |
| 15:18.25 | kergoth | which will use a Qt that inherits the kernel keymap |
| 15:18.30 | kergoth | s/collie/corgi/ |
| 15:18.33 | Fare | ok |
| 15:18.38 | kergoth | oh, you're on OZ on the c700? |
| 15:18.44 | kergoth | its picking up the kernel keymap |
| 15:18.46 | Twiun | and therefore changeable from user space |
| 15:18.47 | kergoth | nothing is hardcoded :) |
| 15:18.49 | kergoth | yep |
| 15:19.00 | kergoth | you can use loadkeys/loadkmap to load a new/altered keymap |
| 15:19.04 | kergoth | and qt will pick it up |
| 15:19.20 | Twiun | don't suppose there's any tool to output the kernel's current kmap as human readable? |
| 15:19.34 | kergoth | tux_mike: not too often, though since I've come to TI i'm hacking a bit on it, since my box at home doesnt have net access :) |
| 15:19.52 | kergoth | Twiun: dumpkmap dumps a binary.. but i think there's a human readable version akin to loadkeys |
| 15:19.55 | Fare | yes, I'm on OZ on the c700 |
| 15:20.02 | Fare | I'd like to help make it better |
| 15:20.02 | kergoth | yeah, dumpkeys |
| 15:20.30 | kergoth | Fare: there are a few things that need fixing in my qt keyboard handler. feel free to read the keyboard handler in the file i mentioned earlier.. there's a TODO list |
| 15:21.06 | kergoth | example: the fact that right shift doesnt work, but left does, is due to the keyboard handler in qt, not due to the kernel keymap its picking up |
| 15:21.07 | Fare | do we have the source code to the relevant part of qtopia? |
| 15:21.18 | kergoth | Fare: sharp didnt release any qt or qtopia code |
| 15:21.21 | Fare | ok |
| 15:21.23 | kergoth | Fare: i wrote this handler from scratch |
| 15:21.26 | kergoth | Fare: bastards |
| 15:21.32 | Fare | congrats to you |
| 15:23.25 | kergoth | 'someone' should write an opie kernel keymap manipulator app |
| 15:23.34 | kergoth | :) |
| 15:23.53 | chouimat | kergoth: ? any design doc? |
| 15:23.56 | chouimat | :) |
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| 15:24.20 | kergoth | chouimat: zecke pointed me to kde's tab widget to help me resolve what i needed done to get the new launcher underway |
| 15:24.27 | kergoth | chouimat: so hopefully .. |
| 15:24.28 | warmi | hi |
| 15:24.31 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 15:24.45 | kergoth | Fare: dont bother looking there, search the faq on openzaurus.org |
| 15:24.47 | kergoth | Fare: for 'source' |
| 15:25.00 | chouimat | kergoth: good |
| 15:25.04 | kergoth | Fare: for the most part the oe wiki is stuff for our yet non-functional new buildsystem |
| 15:25.09 | Twiun | hrmph. dumpkmap is provided my busybox... wonder if there's a switch for dumpkeys |
| 15:25.23 | kergoth | Twiun: nope, busybox doesnt have loadkeys or dumpkeys, only the binary equivalents |
| 15:25.37 | kergoth | Twiun: if you had a tool to convert to/from the binary form from the human readable form.. |
| 15:25.52 | Twiun | kergoth: nah.. I'll just get the debian arm stuff |
| 15:26.06 | Twiun | I just need to find out something |
| 15:26.38 | chouimat | kergoth: I found what I need to fix my goddamn vpn problem but the site is in german and there is only an executable for netbsd/openbsd :( |
| 15:28.08 | Fare | http://openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/faq?id=84 |
| 15:28.41 | kergoth | Fare: yep |
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| 15:31.10 | Twiun | kergoth: got the hh one to work |
| 15:31.41 | aTypical | I have an icon on my Applications tab that points to the wrong program. Can someone tell me where to go to change it? |
| 15:31.54 | Twiun | kergoth: outputs the collie_keymap exactly as-is in the kernel sources |
| 15:32.05 | Twiun | kergoth: which means my problem is somewhere else |
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| 15:33.22 | warmi | aTypical: look for /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/Applications/foobar.desktop |
| 15:33.27 | warmi | foobar being that app name |
| 15:36.04 | Twiun | kergoth: actually... I've been looking at the wrong keykode - D'oh! |
| 15:37.22 | aTypical | warmi: Thank you. |
| 15:37.23 | kergoth | Twiun: thatll do it :P |
| 15:37.30 | Fare | http://www.bitmover.com/download/ looks empty |
| 15:37.41 | Fare | is that normal? |
| 15:37.47 | Twiun | kergoth: I was looking at 33, when the key throws 29... thanks for showkeys :) |
| 15:37.52 | treke | hrrm apparently its just my home AP my wireless card isnt liking |
| 15:38.54 | Twiun | kergoth: wtf? they key throws a different keycode when it's pressed and held??? |
| 15:38.57 | Fare | is there enough of a bk clone in debian to pull the bits? |
| 15:39.01 | treke | Fare: it is if they took down the files |
| 15:39.35 | Fare | ahem |
| 15:41.16 | Fare | ouch |
| 15:41.32 | Fare | ipkg won't automatically pull all the .deb dependencies |
| 15:42.24 | djr | heh |
| 15:42.26 | djr | opie 0.9.9 is nic |
| 15:42.27 | djr | e |
| 15:42.35 | djr | got it running on oz 3.3.1 with no problem |
| 15:44.21 | tux_mike | god, i hate bugzilla |
| 15:45.17 | treke | so true |
| 15:47.07 | tux_mike | i need to find if they fixed that crap with the NPTL and wine |
| 15:47.58 | kergoth | Twiun: ack, thats horrid |
| 15:48.02 | kergoth | Twiun: what key is this? |
| 15:48.18 | Twiun | kergoth: this is that menukey mimicking powerbutton behaviour I was telling you about |
| 15:48.42 | Twiun | kergoth: going to see if using other loadkey switches help |
| 15:50.09 | kergoth | Twiun: this is a perfect example of why the Sharp keyboard driver sucks. explicit hardcoded 'holdkey' handling in kernel and shit |
| 15:50.20 | Twiun | kergoth: absolutely |
| 15:50.57 | Twiun | kergoth: I spend 2 days pissing about in the kernel code working this out |
| 15:52.11 | mark | tux_mike: compile time option still |
| 15:52.28 | Twiun | loadkeys -c -s sanekeymap doesn't remove the behaviour?!? |
| 15:52.33 | Twiun | wtf? |
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| 15:53.57 | Zxcvb | what is wrong with the ZSI? |
| 15:54.34 | Twiun | looks like the ZSI server is down - probably maintenance |
| 15:54.56 | Fare | I've heard of a GPL program to replace bk |
| 15:55.06 | Zxcvb | can you go here? |
| 15:55.06 | Zxcvb | http://angela1.data-uncertain.co.uk/~zaurus/download.php |
| 15:55.12 | Zxcvb | Fare: is it BK compatible? |
| 15:55.44 | Zxcvb | Twiun: does that site I gave you work? |
| 15:55.51 | Twiun | Zxcvb: nope |
| 15:55.51 | treke | there is work on gpl apps to do parts of what bitkeeper does |
| 15:55.58 | treke | nothing that gives you full access though |
| 15:56.21 | Zxcvb | Twiun: can't get the pocketop drivers though |
| 15:56.38 | Twiun | Zxcvb: looks like that host has routing errors |
| 15:56.40 | Zxcvb | treke: is there anything that will allow a full anonymous checkout of bitkeeper stuff? |
| 15:56.57 | Twiun | Zxcvb: the traceroute pingpongs between two routers |
| 15:56.57 | Fare | since bk isn't available anymore, does anyone have a clue where to find this clone? |
| 15:57.04 | Zxcvb | Twiun: can you work around it? |
| 15:57.17 | treke | Zxcvb: maybe. google for bitbucket |
| 15:57.28 | Fare | treke: thanks |
| 15:57.39 | Fare | as long as it's good enough to pull oe/oz |
| 15:57.42 | mark | tux_mike: --with-ntpl iirc |
| 15:58.08 | kergoth | Zxcvb: i dont think you understand anything about how bk works. |
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| 15:58.17 | kergoth | Zxcvb: 'anonymous checkout' means nothing in bk context. you're talking like its cvs. |
| 15:58.37 | kergoth | i could make a bk respository available via rsync for you to obtain |
| 15:58.40 | Twiun | Zxcvb: routing problems can't be solved by anyone other than the router admin, or someone who can restart the router |
| 15:58.44 | Zxcvb | kergoth: ok, then a dump of the tree |
| 15:58.49 | kergoth | but it wouldnt do you much good without *local* tools to *manipulate* that repository |
| 15:58.53 | kergoth | Zxcvb: you dont need a tool to obtain the tere |
| 15:59.09 | kergoth | Zxcvb: i can tar the tree. you need a tool to check files out of the tree, do thigns with the tree. thats what bitbucket gives you |
| 15:59.31 | treke | better yet. just wait an hour or two for bitkeeper to appear |
| 15:59.46 | Zxcvb | how close is bitbucket to bk? |
| 16:00.05 | kergoth | not very. |
| 16:00.22 | kergoth | bk is leaps and bounds above any bk-interoperable tool out there |
| 16:00.40 | Zxcvb | is it just the reverse engineering that is so hard? |
| 16:00.47 | Twiun | yeah. bk and clearcase are both much more developped |
| 16:00.53 | kergoth | yep |
| 16:01.09 | Twiun | Zxcvb: reverse engineering? |
| 16:01.11 | Zxcvb | does it use encryption? |
| 16:01.12 | kergoth | Zxcvb: dont know the details. talk to the folks working on bitbucket, or read the *numerous* email threads on lkml |
| 16:01.17 | Zxcvb | Twiun: reversing the BK protocol |
| 16:01.19 | kergoth | Zxcvb: there's a thread on the ml like daily. |
| 16:01.23 | kergoth | Zxcvb: 'protocol'? |
| 16:01.28 | treke | Zxcvb: its httpd |
| 16:01.32 | kergoth | Zxcvb: once again, its clear you have no idea what you're talking about |
| 16:01.34 | kergoth | heh |
| 16:01.34 | treke | Zxcvb: open up the files and read |
| 16:01.45 | kergoth | its not *obtaining* the tree thats hard |
| 16:01.50 | kergoth | its *interacting* with the tree that is |
| 16:02.06 | Zxcvb | Twiun: fasttrack for example is httpd, but it uses strong encryption and lots of anti-debugger tricks |
| 16:02.31 | Twiun | Zxcvb: afaik bk only uses compression |
| 16:02.32 | treke | once again, getting the tree is simple. It's understanding the data that isnt |
| 16:02.39 | Twiun | Zxcvb: what treke said |
| 16:02.54 | Twiun | Zxcvb: and I believe bk sources are available to paying customers anyway |
| 16:03.26 | Twiun | Zxcvb: so it's a non-issue |
| 16:03.34 | Twiun | Zxcvb: read the threads on lkml |
| 16:03.51 | Zxcvb | Twiun: and paying customers most likely have an NDA |
| 16:04.06 | Twiun | Zxcvb: *sigh* |
| 16:04.12 | Twiun | Zxcvb: just read the damn bk faqs |
| 16:04.15 | treke | really? you dont say? |
| 16:04.22 | Twiun | Zxcvb: and their license |
| 16:04.42 | treke | never would have thought that a company would put an NDA on the release of their source code to a proprietary product to customers |
| 16:04.46 | treke | it's just unthinkable |
| 16:05.12 | Twiun | I'm simply happy we've got a generally freely usable tool for OS projects |
| 16:05.23 | Twiun | one which is in the same league as clearcase |
| 16:05.40 | mark | treke: nah, they're supposed to let customers do whatever they want with the source surely? |
| 16:05.57 | Zxcvb | treke: not the source, the entire software |
| 16:06.17 | kergoth | Zxcvb: what part of rtfm failed to sink in? |
| 16:06.17 | Zxcvb | treke: even the binary only version most likely has one too |
| 16:06.22 | Twiun | mark: I think the only restriction is that you can't be developing a competing product/software |
| 16:06.22 | treke | no shit |
| 16:06.38 | treke | Twiun: you have to allow openloging |
| 16:06.47 | Twiun | mark: that's what is really holding back development of compatible tools |
| 16:06.59 | Zxcvb | so how is bitbucket even legal? |
| 16:06.59 | Twiun | treke: true, but for an OS project... who cares? |
| 16:07.15 | mark | Twiun: yeh, thats nasty |
| 16:07.18 | treke | Zxcvb: on what grounds would it be illegal? |
| 16:07.19 | Twiun | ... Zxcvb... have you read any of the documentation? |
| 16:07.29 | Zxcvb | Twiun: how is bitbucket even legal? |
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| 16:07.35 | Twiun | how about reading the bitbucket docs? |
| 16:07.39 | kergoth | Zxcvb: have you read the threads on bitbucket, in which larry at bitkeeper discusses it? |
| 16:07.40 | Zxcvb | treke: violates the NDA/EULA/etc |
| 16:07.43 | kergoth | Zxcvb: in detail? |
| 16:07.44 | kergoth | Zxcvb: on multiple occasions? |
| 16:07.44 | Twiun | I'm sure they've been asked that before |
| 16:07.46 | treke | Zxcvb: what NDA?EULA? |
| 16:08.00 | treke | Zxcvb: Who said the bitbucket developers ever signed one? |
| 16:08.07 | kergoth | Zxcvb: if not, stop wasting our time. |
| 16:08.23 | Zxcvb | can it be proven that no one who ever contributed to bitbucket has never used bitkeeper? |
| 16:08.38 | Twiun | Zxcvb: you've got the wrong end of the sitck |
| 16:08.38 | treke | can it be proven that Zxcvb is a troll? |
| 16:08.42 | Twiun | stick |
| 16:08.46 | kergoth | treke: why yes! it can! |
| 16:09.06 | Zxcvb | Twiun: i doubt bitbucket can prove it is clean room |
| 16:09.26 | Twiun | Zxcvb: the onus isn't on them to prove they are. it's on others to prove they aren'yt |
| 16:09.31 | Twiun | Zxcvb: stop wasting my time. |
| 16:09.31 | treke | Zxcvb: what is there to prove. |
| 16:09.40 | kergoth | Zxcvb: once again, have you bothered to read the threads? it would be bitkeeper that would pursue legal action. have you seen emails from larry saying they're pursuing legal action? |
| 16:10.01 | treke | the most larry is said is that he doesnt want them using the bitkeeper name in marketing it |
| 16:10.04 | kergoth | s/bitkeeper/bitmover/ |
| 16:10.10 | Zxcvb | Twiun: wrong, see the IBM/phoenix case |
| 16:10.34 | treke | Zxcvb: his is difference. That is software. This is reading a datafile |
| 16:10.39 | treke | this is different |
| 16:10.48 | Twiun | Zxcvb: read kergoth's messages. |
| 16:10.55 | treke | It's no more of a legal problem than openoffice reading MS WOrd docs |
| 16:11.13 | mark | I read somewhere that the bk guys now wished the kernel guys had never started using it, been too much trouble. seems odd, given the fact that it was seemingly developed for that purpose |
| 16:11.43 | Zxcvb | don't forget the DMCA, as well |
| 16:11.46 | Twiun | mark: I'd be interested in reading that post |
| 16:11.54 | *** kick/#zaurus [Zxcvb!~chrisl@proxyle01.ext.ti.com] by kergoth (dont forget my foot on your ass.) |
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| 16:12.25 | Twiun | kergoth: gotta re-write that kick message to say '... my foot _up_ your ass.' |
| 16:12.38 | kergoth | heheh. close enough |
| 16:12.45 | treke | Zxcvb: You can't just throw DMCA and illegal at an issue and have itmake sense |
| 16:12.51 | mark | Twiun: i'm not gonna be able to find it any more easily than you are I don't think, sorry. it was in one of the massive bk threads on lkml |
| 16:13.20 | Twiun | mark: right, no worries :) |
| 16:13.30 | Twiun | mark: I'd best get on with hoovering anyway |
| 16:13.58 | mark | Twiun: heh |
| 16:14.19 | Twiun | kergoth: btw, gave 2.4.19 a whirl the other day, booted nicely - shame I hadn't remade my 2.4.6 image+modules :) |
| 16:15.26 | mark | Twiun: yeh, like i should be doing chemistry revision |
| 16:15.42 | jaku | is it down? www.killefiz.de/zaurus |
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| 16:17.13 | Twiun | jaku: yes |
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| 16:18.18 | aTypical | Hello again. I realize this may be a dumd question but please remember I am terribly new to this. How do I transfer programs from my XP machine to the Zaurus? |
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| 16:19.24 | mark | aTypical: which zaurus? |
| 16:19.33 | aTypical | mark: The SL-5500 |
| 16:20.14 | mark | aTypical: I think you can use Qtopia Desktop? |
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| 16:20.47 | robd | Hi! |
| 16:21.09 | aTypical | mark: I thoguht so too, but I don't see how. If I try to upload something I get an error about not enough space. free space is 0 B. |
| 16:21.13 | robd | Does anyone know if I can put OpenZaurus on my new SL-5600? (I'd be putting on the ROM for the SL-5500) |
| 16:21.30 | pHluid | um. |
| 16:21.40 | pHluid | You're trying to put the OZ 5500 ROM on the 5600? |
| 16:21.57 | robd | pHluid: Yeah, I'm anxious to get it up |
| 16:22.30 | robd | pHluid: I didn't know if it would be bad(I heard there was an architecture change from StrongArm to Intel's Arm), or if it'd just run slower |
| 16:22.34 | pHluid | Yeh, that won't work so hot. |
| 16:22.51 | robd | pHluid: Damn, I thought so... |
| 16:23.03 | robd | pHluid: Do you know if Debian would run on the 5600? |
| 16:23.42 | pHluid | Never heard of anybody doing it. |
| 16:23.44 | pHluid | So I assume not. |
| 16:23.49 | QuantumSpin | OZ is based off of debian i think? |
| 16:23.53 | robd | pHluid: hrm... |
| 16:24.00 | robd | QuantumSpin: I'm pretty sure it is |
| 16:24.03 | mark | aTypical: not sure, do you have free space? can you tell it to put it on a Compact Flash card/SD card if you ahve one? i dunno |
| 16:24.20 | pHluid | Quantum: It's a Debian-based distro, yes, but that's not to say that it's the same thing as Debian/Embedded. |
| 16:24.37 | QuantumSpin | true |
| 16:24.42 | pHluid | or emDebian or whatever the hell they call it now. |
| 16:24.48 | robd | Is there anything I can do, or do I have to wait 3 months for OZ to be setup for the 5600? (I really *hate* the Sharp ROM) |
| 16:25.07 | aTypical | mark: I don't know how to tell it what to use? I have a 64MB CF and a 256MB SD card. |
| 16:25.16 | pHluid | I *thought* there was already an experimental feed for the 5600, but apparently not |
| 16:25.29 | mark | aTypical: i've never used it, but i presume there is an option somewhere.. |
| 16:25.36 | pHluid | Ask in #openzaurus |
| 16:26.41 | robd | thanks |
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| 16:33.58 | kergoth | pHluid: there is no 'debian embedded' |
| 16:34.05 | mark | Twiun[afk]: hoovering? :) |
| 16:34.14 | kergoth | pHluid: there are numerous embedded distros that are based in some way on debian, but not official |
| 16:34.17 | Twiun[afk] | mark: trying to leave the keyboard |
| 16:34.34 | mark | Twiun[afk]: hoover the keyboard! |
| 16:36.01 | Fare | Darn. ipkg install fails because root is full. |
| 16:37.42 | fliplap | ipkg -dest ram package.ipk; ipkg-link add pkg-name |
| 16:38.17 | kergoth | we should add ipkg-link install, which grabs the packagename, calls ipkg to install it, then links it normally |
| 16:38.20 | kergoth | just to save some typing |
| 16:38.33 | fliplap | that would be nice |
| 16:38.36 | Fare | hum. |
| 16:38.52 | fliplap | i just have a script todo it |
| 16:39.02 | Fare | what if I want to install it /mnt/foo ? |
| 16:39.09 | Fare | -dest /mnt/foo ? |
| 16:39.11 | kergoth | run 'ipkg' |
| 16:39.14 | kergoth | it dumps its syntax |
| 16:39.14 | kergoth | read. |
| 16:44.12 | aTypical | Hello again. |
| 16:44.59 | aTypical | How do you check the memory installed on the device? It should be 64 but it's reading as 38. Any ideas? |
| 16:45.36 | treke | that is correct |
| 16:45.44 | treke | part of it is dedicated to storage |
| 16:46.21 | fliplap | i need to go pick up a 256meg card today |
| 16:46.27 | fliplap | and switch to the 0-64 image |
| 16:47.01 | treke | hehe. wait till you get a new kernel. 32megs of ram works fine on 2.4.19 :p |
| 16:47.25 | fliplap | i'd like to have 64 tho |
| 16:48.07 | fliplap | i'm running the 40stor 24ram right now |
| 16:49.29 | aTypical | treke: What should I see in df? |
| 16:49.46 | treke | what do you see in df? |
| 16:50.02 | treke | you should probably see somethink like 32meg for /home |
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| 16:52.54 | aTypical | treke: I see 14.1M for / and 23.2 for /mnt/ram |
| 16:53.35 | treke | you sure that isnt a 5000d? |
| 16:53.59 | fliplap | man, sd cards are so much more expensive than CF |
| 16:54.06 | aTypical | treke: It was sold to me as a 5500. How can I tell for sure? |
| 16:54.12 | zap-zero | fliplap: yeah, because they are so small |
| 16:54.18 | fliplap | i know |
| 16:54.19 | treke | xwred1: look on the back |
| 16:54.26 | zap-zero | notebook HDs are also more expensive than normal HDs |
| 16:54.55 | aTypical | treke: The back reads SL-5500. |
| 16:55.09 | fliplap | i was just bitching, i wasn't bitching that it was unjustified |
| 16:55.28 | zap-zero | ok :) |
| 16:55.28 | treke | wait. that is probably right |
| 16:55.49 | treke | looks like it is a 5500 |
| 16:56.09 | aTypical | Any idea where the other 26Megs went? |
| 16:56.16 | treke | aTypical: It's there |
| 16:56.19 | treke | aTypical: For apps to use |
| 16:56.31 | treke | df shows storage |
| 16:56.39 | treke | you have 23.2 megs of storage space |
| 16:57.33 | fliplap | so far the cheapest i've found at a brick and mortar place for a 256meg card is $70 |
| 16:57.41 | fliplap | granted, much cheaper than they were a year ago |
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| 17:00.24 | aTypical | treke: Do you have the 5500? |
| 17:01.51 | treke | nope |
| 17:03.06 | ljp_laptop | he has a 5400 |
| 17:03.17 | treke | I wish |
| 17:03.32 | aTypical | treke: I guess I'm still not seeing where that last 26MB went. Is that actual RAM for running programs? |
| 17:03.44 | treke | yes |
| 17:03.55 | treke | part is storage. part is plain old ram |
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| 17:06.07 | aTypical | treke: Now I get it. --phew-- I thought I was going blind there for a minute. |
| 17:07.31 | aTypical | This, of course, brings me back to my original problem of How do I get programs from my XP machine to my Zaurus. |
| 17:09.17 | ljp_laptop | osmosis |
| 17:10.36 | aTypical | ljp_laptop: Thank you Mr. Helper. |
| 17:11.30 | ljp_laptop | sure thing |
| 17:11.51 | ljp_laptop | which rom? |
| 17:13.13 | ljp_laptop | in the 3.1 roms you can use windows networking/samba |
| 17:15.17 | aTypical | ljp_laptop: I'm using 3.2 on a WinXP machine. |
| 17:16.14 | aTypical | So far it seems kind of buggy. I can't seem to keep the connection between the Zaurus and XP and every once in awhile I get screen lockups. |
| 17:16.30 | ljp_laptop | oh oz? |
| 17:16.47 | aTypical | I'm not sure if it's oz or this crappy XP. |
| 17:17.08 | ljp_laptop | i mean you are using oz as opposed to the sharp rom |
| 17:17.09 | aTypical | I'm thinking it's probably a combination of both. |
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| 17:22.51 | cordless | my problem is that i cant flash my zaurus back to sharps rom, i put on oz 3.2 and now when i try flash it back, i just get both green and orange leds flashing at me ... any ideas? |
| 17:23.02 | aTypical | ljp_laptop: Yeah, I'm using oz. |
| 17:24.37 | aTypical | cordless: I was going to try the same thing but I can't figure out how to get the ROM from XP to the zaurus. |
| 17:25.29 | cordless | oh right ... and you dont have a cf writer/reader? |
| 17:25.48 | aTypical | No. |
| 17:26.20 | aTypical | And I can't seem to figure out how to transfer using Qtopia Desktop/ |
| 17:26.22 | Fare | and no other working CF-enabled PDA, imaging device, etc? |
| 17:26.49 | aTypical | No. |
| 17:26.58 | Fare | aTypical: sucks to be you |
| 17:27.10 | aTypical | Fare: Amen to that brother. |
| 17:27.15 | phoen][x | lol |
| 17:27.17 | Fare | aTypical: do you have a working XP machine? |
| 17:27.22 | Fare | install the software |
| 17:27.24 | aTypical | Fare: Yes. |
| 17:27.28 | Fare | (two steps) |
| 17:27.28 | phoen][x | Fare: LOOOOL |
| 17:27.34 | aTypical | Fare: install what software? |
| 17:27.37 | Fare | on the CD |
| 17:27.42 | phoen][x | a 'working XP machine' |
| 17:27.51 | Fare | phoen][x: sorry for the oxymoron |
| 17:28.01 | phoen][x | Fare: np :) |
| 17:28.20 | aTypical | I have qtopia running, when I try to upload files it says there is 0 MB of space available. |
| 17:28.29 | Fare | phoen][x: the install steps are explained in the manual |
| 17:28.42 | Fare | s/phoen][x/aTypical/ |
| 17:28.52 | phoen][x | eek, i'm not the guilty one :) |
| 17:29.03 | Fare | configure to upload to CF |
| 17:29.33 | aTypical | Fare: Which manual? |
| 17:34.45 | Twiun | kergoth`lunch: sharppda_kbd_hold() in sharp_logkey.c is a marvel of (un)intentional obfuscation |
| 17:56.44 | George`AFK | back |
| 17:56.46 | George`AFK | mwahahahaha |
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| 18:31.23 | dj-submerge | hi folks |
| 18:32.16 | dj-submerge | can't run xmms , libxmmms.so.1 isn't found, but its in the LD_LIBRARY_PATH. any hints ? |
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| 18:41.18 | badalex | ChipX86: is billiardz dead? |
| 18:41.27 | ChipX86 | dead is such a strong word |
| 18:41.32 | badalex | heh |
| 18:41.34 | ChipX86 | more like I'm spending my time on more important projects :) |
| 18:41.40 | badalex | ah... :) |
| 18:41.42 | ChipX86 | but I plan on finishing up what's in cvs and releasing sometime this summer |
| 18:41.56 | badalex | cool |
| 18:44.10 | kergoth`lunch | Twiun: no kidding. |
| 18:44.32 | kergoth`lunch | Twiun: who are you kidding, sharp_logkey.c as a whole is a marvel of (un)intentional obfuscation :) |
| 18:45.44 | Twiun | kergoth`lunch: have you taken a look at the rawmap* stuff |
| 18:46.45 | Twiun | kergoth`lunch: now whoever came up with those tables should be drawn and quartered |
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| 18:49.24 | kergoth`lunch | Twiun: lol |
| 18:49.29 | kergoth`lunch | Twiun: i agree wholeheartedly |
| 18:50.17 | Twiun | not even a monkey with shit for brains could come up with such a poor design |
| 18:50.31 | kergoth`lunch | Twiun: they 1) unnecessarily implement handling of 'holdkey' events, which belongs in userspace, and 2) do unnecessary modifier handling, hence the rawmap stuff, when the linux keyboard code already has modifiers and sane handling of them.. |
| 18:50.46 | kergoth`lunch | Twiun: just an assload of horribly implemented reinvented wheels |
| 18:51.02 | Twiun | kergoth`lunch: yeppers |
| 18:51.59 | kergoth`lunch | Twiun: feel free to compare and contrast with collie_keyb.c+collie_keymap.map in my 2.4.19 tree :D |
| 18:52.06 | kergoth`lunch | Twiun: hehe |
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| 18:52.28 | Twiun | kergoth`lunch: hmmm... think the code is backward compatible? |
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| 18:59.21 | kergoth`lunch | Twiun: what do you mean? to 2.4.6? |
| 19:00.21 | Twiun | kergoth`lunch: yeah - just to get rid of this freaking shit |
| 19:01.03 | kergoth`lunch | Twiun: probably. I wont do it myself, my effort is better spent getting the OZ out that includes 2.4.19, but if you want to drop the files into a 2.4.6 tree and try building it, go for it. shouldnt take much |
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| 19:01.45 | aTypical__ | When installing backgrounds using the AQPkg where does it put the files? |
| 19:02.04 | kergoth`lunch | ipkg files packagename |
| 19:02.05 | Twiun | kergoth`lunch: yeah, I'll give that a try - I'm not sure my client will be patient enough to wait for 2.4.19 :/ |
| 19:02.33 | kergoth`lunch | Twiun: let me know if you run into probs, I can certainly answer questions and the like |
| 19:02.55 | aTypical__ | Wow. There's alot of me here today. :) |
| 19:03.42 | Twiun | aTypical__: looks like it's time for you to learn about nickserv |
| 19:03.50 | Twiun | aTypical__: /nickserv help |
| 19:04.06 | Twiun | kergoth`lunch: will do |
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| 19:05.02 | tbux | A whole channel full of Z people! |
| 19:05.33 | ChipX86 | amazing, isn't it? |
| 19:06.16 | tbux | I'm trying to get the dial-up ppp connection working with an external modem thru the serial cable. So far, I've not been able to get the Z to see or talk to the modem. I could use a hand getting it working. |
| 19:06.18 | Twiun | and some of them are even alive! |
| 19:06.30 | aTypical__ | Twiun: Thanks. |
| 19:06.48 | tbux | This is much better than the efnet channel. |
| 19:07.10 | Twiun | tbux: there's actually people on other networks that _don't_ know about this place? |
| 19:07.40 | tbux | I just bought my Z and like it already, but I'm trying to get it to do everything I need (recent convert from iPaq) |
| 19:07.48 | Twiun | tbux: also look at #openzaurus, #openembedded and #zaurusfr if they're more specific to you |
| 19:08.02 | tbux | I'm still running the sharp rom. |
| 19:08.12 | Twiun | you poor man :) |
| 19:08.20 | tbux | I'm guessing I should change. |
| 19:08.42 | Twiun | it's not irriversible, you can always go back to sharp if needed |
| 19:10.04 | tbux | I'll prolly do that eventually, but I wanna get this modem working first. (the rom switch is a leisure-time thing). |
| 19:11.39 | tbux | So any ideas how I can get this external modem recognized? |
| 19:12.57 | tbux | I'm using the network and sync control panel doodad to set it up. Alternately I've tried the Internet connection wizard, both lead to me staring at a disconnected modem. |
| 19:14.11 | Twiun | tbux: I imagine you'll most likely need to use a console to be as flexible as possible |
| 19:14.58 | tbux | I have a bash prompt, which is much more flexible than anything I ever had on the PocketPC os. |
| 19:15.04 | kergoth | i wonder if anyone has tested tille's ppp module for networksettings yet |
| 19:15.33 | tbux | Hmmmmm. Maybe I should try that. |
| 19:15.47 | fliplap | mkay, got a 256meg SD card for my 5500 |
| 19:16.06 | tbux | Do I need to disable the sync stuff for the serial port? |
| 19:16.53 | paq_ | tbux - do you actually plan to use the Z as pim-pda? or a mini-linux-devbox like most ppl here...? |
| 19:16.58 | kergoth | tbux: isnt there a howto on the ppp setup on zaurus.com's docs area? |
| 19:17.41 | fliplap | uou can use the Z as a PDA? |
| 19:17.42 | tbux | looking... |
| 19:18.08 | paq_ | fliplap: my point exactly :) |
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| 19:22.07 | fliplap | i'm not even sure what i use mine for, mostly for wireless internet i guess |
| 19:22.17 | fliplap | when i don't feel like luggin around my laptop |
| 19:22.20 | tbux | When I try to set the type of modem, I only get "card" or "ir". Nothing about serial. |
| 19:22.55 | fliplap | now to move to the 64-0 image |
| 19:24.48 | tbux | Is the Internet wizard looking for a particular device under /dev? |
| 19:25.26 | paq_ | fliplap: do you use vpn on your wireless setup? |
| 19:25.53 | fliplap | i use it around campus, around work and at friends houses |
| 19:26.25 | paq_ | cool, sounds like a good use of it :) |
| 19:26.34 | fliplap | so no, no vpn |
| 19:31.22 | tbux | Cool- found it on zauruszone. |
| 19:31.59 | fliplap | mkay, flashing 64-0 OZ image |
| 19:33.12 | Fare | 64 flash, 0 ram? |
| 19:33.32 | kergoth | 64ram, 0 ramdisk |
| 19:33.41 | pHluid | The jackass that decided the 5000D/5500 flip covers should be frosted should be shot. |
| 19:33.59 | fliplap | no kidding |
| 19:34.10 | fliplap | but ya, 64ram, no storage |
| 19:38.48 | paq_ | #@%@# fingers burning from leaky battery residue... argh |
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| 19:43.12 | tbux | I'd like to smack the dork that designed the serial cable to block the keyboard pull-out. |
| 19:44.20 | kergoth | I'd like to shoot all the idiot managers at Sharp and the idiot coders at Lineo Japan |
| 19:44.23 | kergoth | ;) |
| 19:44.31 | kergoth | right Twiun? |
| 19:44.33 | kergoth | heheh |
| 19:47.17 | Twiun | kergoth: right! |
| 19:48.18 | Twiun | tbux: there's a slimline serial cable out there |
| 19:49.05 | kergoth | yeah, its linked to off of myzaurus.com i think |
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| 19:54.30 | George`AFK | <Twiun> not even a monkey with shit for brains could come up with such a poor design <--- Do I come under that category? :P |
| 19:55.04 | kergoth | George`AFK: no, you're a wannabe monkey-with-shit-for-brains |
| 19:55.10 | kergoth | George`AFK: keep trying, you'll get there |
| 19:55.20 | George`AFK | kergoth: hrrmph |
| 19:55.25 | George`AFK | kergoth: what am I then? |
| 19:55.52 | doughecka | a monkey with 2 teaspoons of brians |
| 19:56.07 | George- | hrmm |
| 19:56.12 | George- | I want my laptop back |
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| 19:56.20 | doughecka | do you? |
| 19:56.20 | kergoth | I want a cubicle |
| 19:56.21 | kergoth | damnit |
| 19:56.31 | George- | kergoth: hah, still hanging in tim's? |
| 19:56.33 | kergoth | yep |
| 19:56.40 | George- | kergoth: what's it like over at TI then? |
| 19:56.40 | kergoth | they say i wont have one for like 3-4 days |
| 19:56.42 | doughecka | I want someone to try to compile something for me for the Z |
| 19:56.52 | kergoth | we're like uhh, you had 3-4 weeks before i started, couldnt you have done this *before* i got here? |
| 19:56.56 | kergoth | anyway |
| 19:57.06 | George- | better than digi? |
| 19:57.06 | kergoth | seems like a nice place overall |
| 19:57.09 | kergoth | definately |
| 19:57.11 | George- | (or whatever it was called) |
| 19:57.20 | George- | any telephones near by? :) |
| 19:58.54 | doughecka | hm |
| 19:59.02 | doughecka | George-: can you compile apps for the Z? |
| 19:59.06 | George- | doughecka: yes |
| 19:59.15 | doughecka | hmm |
| 19:59.16 | George- | kergoth: what exactly are you meant to be doing at TI? |
| 19:59.23 | doughecka | qt 2.x? |
| 19:59.26 | George- | kergoth: apart from wasting their bandwidth sitting on IRC? :) |
| 19:59.34 | George- | doughecka: qt 2.3.2/3/4/5 |
| 19:59.41 | doughecka | cool |
| 19:59.54 | doughecka | mind if you compile somethin for me? :P |
| 20:00.05 | George- | sod off |
| 20:00.24 | George- | I have only allowed one person to compile his stuff on my machine, and that was kergoth |
| 20:00.42 | mark | George-: i've let you onto my box |
| 20:00.46 | doughecka | you can do it for me :P |
| 20:00.50 | George- | mark: uhh |
| 20:00.54 | George- | mark: rubbish. |
| 20:01.05 | George- | mark: I've NEVER been on your box. |
| 20:01.11 | George- | doughecka: heh, no |
| 20:01.21 | doughecka | its a small app |
| 20:01.21 | mark | George-: yeah you have. you got paranoid and rm -rf'ed ~/George |
| 20:01.24 | doughecka | really tiny |
| 20:01.41 | George- | doughecka: my machine panicked when kergoth started compiling :) |
| 20:01.47 | George- | mark: uhh |
| 20:01.53 | doughecka | this app is bug fre |
| 20:01.56 | doughecka | free |
| 20:01.57 | George- | mark: I've never been onto your box. |
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| 20:01.59 | mark | George-: can't remember why you wanted it though |
| 20:02.03 | mark | George-: you have, get a memory |
| 20:02.08 | George- | I haven't. |
| 20:02.40 | doughecka | George-: http://users.pandora.be/on1mh/download/qsstv-5.2d.tar.gz |
| 20:02.45 | George- | doughecka: bog off |
| 20:02.50 | mark | George-: you have |
| 20:02.52 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:02.55 | mark | George-: so nar |
| 20:02.58 | George- | mark: oh wait |
| 20:03.03 | George- | mark: was this when you were on debian? |
| 20:03.09 | mark | yeah |
| 20:03.13 | George- | yeh, I remember |
| 20:03.19 | George- | that was like, 2 years ago. |
| 20:03.38 | George- | I think I wanted it for the hell of it |
| 20:03.52 | mark | doughecka: lots of people have it |
| 20:04.05 | doughecka | do you? |
| 20:04.07 | doughecka | :) |
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| 20:05.21 | George- | ibot go postal |
| 20:05.21 | | ACTION rampages, killing everyone in sight! |
| 20:05.24 | George- | hrmm |
| 20:05.28 | George- | ibot factinfo go postal |
| 20:05.28 | | go postal -- it has been requested 5 times, last by George-, 7s ago. |
| 20:05.34 | George- | ibot factstat go postal |
| 20:05.38 | George- | ibot factstats go postal |
| 20:05.46 | George- | ibot factstats |
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| 20:06.25 | doughecka | ~tell George- about linux |
| 20:06.32 | George- | <ibot> factoid statistics by author: (15 shown; 29 total): 97 by nontoxic ;; 70 by kergoth ;; 57 by [stc]_creeperz ;; 50 by scanline, sussudio ;; 45 by hellaenergy ;; 37 by bzflag ;; 36 by doughecka ;; 30 by mrapathycream ;; 24 by spline ;; 23 by larsl ;; 21 by timriker ;; 20 by hardwire ;; 19 by spudulike ;; 17 by bzdoug_, sorphin ;; 15 by george-. |
| 20:06.47 | George- | HAHA, kergoth's pumped ibot full of weird and wonderful facts |
| 20:06.49 | mark | George-: told you |
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| 20:08.10 | George- | ibot ducati |
| 20:08.22 | George- | wtf is ducati |
| 20:08.25 | doughecka | ~ducatictf |
| 20:08.29 | doughecka | ~bzflist |
| 20:08.34 | hardwire | hi |
| 20:08.42 | doughecka | ~secret |
| 20:08.57 | doughecka | bzflag man :P |
| 20:09.07 | doughecka | ~secretplace |
| 20:10.14 | George- | ibot i still wonder what the fuck |
| 20:10.16 | | well, i still wonder what the fuck is causing the linkage problems |
| 20:10.21 | George- | ibot factinfo i still wonder what the fuck |
| 20:10.21 | | i still wonder what the fuck -- it has been requested 2 times, last by George-, 5s ago. |
| 20:10.26 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:10.48 | doughecka | ~factstats |
| 20:10.53 | tbux | Uh oh... I type "reboot" at the bask prompt and now the Z won't shut off. Did I screw myself here? |
| 20:11.04 | doughecka | no |
| 20:11.05 | tbux | s/bask/bash/ |
| 20:11.07 | George- | tbux: pull the switch on the back. |
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| 20:11.17 | tbux | K |
| 20:11.24 | doughecka | throw it |
| 20:12.03 | tbux | Ok- it's in a hundred pieces, now what? |
| 20:12.05 | tbux | ;-) |
| 20:12.16 | doughecka | get the glue out and get to work |
| 20:12.18 | George- | get some glue |
| 20:12.43 | tbux | Maybe the reset button? Will that blow my config? |
| 20:12.44 | doughecka | I said that first |
| 20:12.47 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:12.55 | doughecka | das reset button will blow |
| 20:12.58 | George- | tbux: what ROM you running? |
| 20:13.04 | tbux | The Z rom. |
| 20:13.07 | tbux | Stoc one. |
| 20:13.17 | tbux | s/stoc/stock/ |
| 20:13.29 | George- | tbux: moving the switch on the back from normal operation to replace battery, then back again shouldn't harm it |
| 20:13.32 | George- | tbux: do that. |
| 20:13.38 | George- | tbux: then turn it back on again |
| 20:13.49 | tbux | I did. It's still in a vegatative state. |
| 20:14.04 | doughecka | bummmer |
| 20:14.09 | doughecka | push the BUTTON |
| 20:14.10 | tbux | Reset then? |
| 20:14.15 | doughecka | and trash the config! |
| 20:14.19 | George- | tbux: you'll have to hit the reset button then |
| 20:14.24 | doughecka | yea, its the ONLY way |
| 20:14.25 | George- | tbux: it's fuzzled |
| 20:14.27 | tbux | K. Did it. |
| 20:14.48 | doughecka | still like it? |
| 20:14.56 | George- | argh, I've lost my swiss army knife |
| 20:15.05 | George- | damn, looks like I can't commit suicide after all. |
| 20:15.15 | tbux | Yep. The screen reacts whereverI press the stylus. The fudgePaq doesn't do that. |
| 20:15.16 | doughecka | bummer |
| 20:16.54 | George- | wtf |
| 20:16.57 | George- | WHERE IS MY KNIFE?!?!? |
| 20:17.01 | tbux | Ok- here's my next problem. I'm trying to boot the stock Z image into init 3 (no app talking to ttyS0). I get a note during init that "Terminating on signal 15. Connect script failed." |
| 20:17.05 | doughecka | I ate it |
| 20:17.10 | tbux | Is this a problem for getting into runlevel 3? |
| 20:17.23 | doughecka | you tell me |
| 20:17.47 | George- | tbux: no idea, you'll have to ask someone with a little more brainpower. try my dog. |
| 20:20.35 | tbux | Ok- so what ROM do you recommend running? |
| 20:20.44 | fliplap | is the testing feed very broken right now? |
| 20:20.47 | doughecka | OZ! |
| 20:21.00 | tbux | Anyone else wanna chime in here? |
| 20:21.01 | George- | tbux: what do you use your Zaurus for? |
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| 20:21.29 | tbux | Remote admin and some PIM stuff. Mostly phone book and some doc storage. |
| 20:21.42 | kergoth | I'd recommend playing with both |
| 20:21.46 | kergoth | get a feel for them, see what you like |
| 20:21.52 | cyn | yay back in the sack |
| 20:21.57 | tbux | Oz and what other? |
| 20:21.58 | cyn | kergoth you move yet |
| 20:22.02 | kergoth | oz and sharp |
| 20:22.06 | kergoth | cyn: yeah, in tx now |
| 20:22.14 | cyn | sweet |
| 20:22.19 | George- | tbux: perhaps it'd be better to stick with the Sharp ROM if you want PIM stuff |
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| 20:22.23 | cyn | just got dsl up |
| 20:22.31 | cyn | after 3 days of fighting with my goddamn phoneline |
| 20:22.32 | doughecka | anyone who can compile qt apps for the Z mind letting me ssh in and compile something? |
| 20:22.44 | doughecka | like George-? |
| 20:22.47 | tbux | Oh. K. Thanks for the advice. BBL. |
| 20:23.00 | George- | doughecka: sod off. |
| 20:23.05 | doughecka | all the handhelds.org clusters are down |
| 20:23.25 | fliplap | sod off, crazy brits |
| 20:23.44 | doughecka | hmmhmm |
| 20:23.50 | George- | fliplap: bloody bastardized americans. |
| 20:24.11 | fliplap | oh bloody plum pudding chap! |
| 20:24.19 | doughecka | bloody hell |
| 20:24.53 | fliplap | here now old boy, you fancy a crumpet? |
| 20:25.02 | doughecka | woof |
| 20:25.05 | fliplap | and a dentist |
| 20:26.04 | mark | god zxcvb is now trolling on #winehq. |
| 20:26.25 | fliplap | heh |
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| 20:28.30 | doughecka | someone gimme ssh :P |
| 20:30.40 | doughecka | HEY hardwire! |
| 20:31.17 | mark | doughecka: what do you do? |
| 20:31.26 | doughecka | ? |
| 20:31.33 | doughecka | I breath air |
| 20:32.09 | doughecka | oxygen mostly |
| 20:32.39 | George- | fliplap: we don't talk like that you retard :P |
| 20:32.45 | George- | bloody americans. |
| 20:32.48 | George- | :D |
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| 20:34.56 | doughecka | hey tim |
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| 20:35.09 | doughecka | you get kergoth a cubical, ya hear? |
| 20:35.11 | mark | doughecka: s/do/want - o you want a box to compile something on? |
| 20:35.39 | doughecka | yea, if it can compile qt apps for the zaurus. |
| 20:35.52 | fliplap | George-: go bugger yourself |
| 20:36.06 | George- | fliplap: sod off |
| 20:36.15 | mark | doughecka: ok, no cross compiler/qt sdk set up yet, sorry |
| 20:36.30 | fliplap | isn't it tea time or something? |
| 20:36.49 | George- | fliplap: it's half past 9 |
| 20:37.10 | doughecka | wow, it is teatime |
| 20:37.20 | fliplap | and the sun is still out, thats just awful |
| 20:37.28 | doughecka | woo |
| 20:37.38 | George- | doughecka: www.openssh.org |
| 20:37.57 | doughecka | ? |
| 20:38.12 | George- | <doughecka> someone gimme ssh :P |
| 20:38.25 | doughecka | go :P yourself |
| 20:38.39 | George- | go stick my tongue out at myself? |
| 20:38.41 | George- | woot |
| 20:38.46 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:38.49 | doughecka | :Þ |
| 20:39.04 | George- | :Þ |
| 20:39.26 | doughecka | :ø |
| 20:40.21 | George- | :ð |
| 20:40.31 | George- | :¢ |
| 20:40.35 | George- | :þ |
| 20:40.39 | doughecka | lame euro keyboards |
| 20:40.42 | George- | :·) |
| 20:40.59 | George- | I don't have a euro keyboard. |
| 20:41.04 | doughecka | «:Þ |
| 20:41.08 | doughecka | I do :P |
| 20:41.08 | George- | this keyboard is at least 7 years old. |
| 20:41.21 | doughecka | I just changed me keybindings |
| 20:41.50 | George- | :°Þ |
| 20:41.58 | George- | ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££ |
| 20:42.19 | doughecka | :Ø |
| 20:42.27 | George- | Ø |
| 20:42.39 | George- | ÐÞªª`©'º>©ÞƧÞØ®E¥>©ª |
| 20:42.43 | George- | ¡$$°£±°$ |
| 20:42.48 | phoen][x | unicode suckers |
| 20:42.48 | doughecka | :Ð |
| 20:42.57 | George- | bah |
| 20:43.00 | doughecka | thats a guy with snot hanging out of his nose |
| 20:43.03 | George- | I NEED FOOD |
| 20:43.12 | doughecka | no wait :>Ð |
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| 21:25.16 | darkschneider | lo all |
| 21:25.19 | darkschneider | any idea of what "(Factory Recon.)" mean? |
| 21:25.33 | darkschneider | it is said near sl-5500 model |
| 21:25.38 | Wintre | Factory reconditioned |
| 21:25.58 | darkschneider | and what that involve? |
| 21:26.14 | treke | it was returned |
| 21:26.18 | Wintre | For the factory to take a returned model and restore it to some standard of theirs |
| 21:26.24 | Wintre | Presumably "like new" |
| 21:26.33 | darkschneider | ahh |
| 21:26.44 | darkschneider | was like "broken" and got repaired |
| 21:26.50 | darkschneider | rigth? |
| 21:26.58 | treke | yup |
| 21:27.06 | treke | but in theory it works as well as a new one |
| 21:27.14 | darkschneider | hoo |
| 21:27.15 | darkschneider | tx |
| 21:27.19 | darkschneider | i have another |
| 21:27.40 | darkschneider | is the sl-c700 the same as the japan c800 (i'm not sure abouth that model) |
| 21:27.55 | kergoth | no, sl-c700 is a japanese model. |
| 21:27.59 | kergoth | c700 = c700 |
| 21:28.15 | darkschneider | mm strange |
| 21:28.19 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:28.23 | darkschneider | that's the top mode rigth? |
| 21:28.25 | kergoth | no |
| 21:28.28 | darkschneider | hoo |
| 21:28.35 | kergoth | there are c750 and c760 models available |
| 21:28.50 | darkschneider | only in japan rigth? |
| 21:28.58 | George- | I WANT AN IPOD |
| 21:29.15 | darkschneider | (i want an ipodp too.. after my new sharp) |
| 21:29.36 | darkschneider | i found a company that ship sl-c700 in europe |
| 21:29.58 | George- | sod the sharp |
| 21:30.03 | George- | I just want an ipod :) |
| 21:30.05 | darkschneider | but i need to undestand if it is better than sl-5600 |
| 21:30.07 | George- | I hate using my Z for mp3s |
| 21:30.11 | George- | it's too damn large |
| 21:30.16 | George- | and crappy storage ;) |
| 21:30.22 | darkschneider | eheh ipod is not that smaller |
| 21:30.28 | George- | yeh it is |
| 21:30.32 | darkschneider | but fopr storage that's antoehr matter |
| 21:30.37 | George- | a couple of friends at school have it :) |
| 21:30.43 | darkschneider | but there is linux support? |
| 21:30.49 | George- | I have a mac |
| 21:30.51 | darkschneider | George-: nice schoold :) |
| 21:30.53 | George- | well, I *had* a mac. |
| 21:31.08 | darkschneider | then you are oki |
| 21:31.15 | darkschneider | not an option for me :) |
| 21:31.16 | George- | I don't really regard having a mac that seems to be constantly in repair as my own. |
| 21:31.23 | darkschneider | until they do linux support |
| 21:31.33 | kergoth | darkschneider: c700 and 5600 are comparible. they both have things the other doesnt. c750 and c760 are better than either of the other two. |
| 21:31.33 | George- | :D |
| 21:31.52 | George- | kergoth: what's the keyboard like on the c700? |
| 21:31.53 | darkschneider | kergoth: tx |
| 21:32.07 | George- | kergoth: what sort of speeds can one reliably get on it? |
| 21:32.19 | George- | (I do about 80wpm on a standard qwerty) |
| 21:32.42 | kergoth | George-: dunno, its not like i have the time to actually *use* my pdas |
| 21:32.44 | kergoth | George-: heh |
| 21:32.47 | kergoth | damn projects |
| 21:33.11 | George- | kergoth: :) |
| 21:33.17 | George- | kergoth: better than doing tech support :P |
| 21:33.28 | kergoth | anything is better than doing tech support |
| 21:33.31 | kergoth | (within reason) |
| 21:33.40 | George- | heh |
| 21:33.48 | George- | what exactly do you do at TI now? |
| 21:33.55 | George- | (er.. *meant* to do) |
| 21:33.58 | kergoth | not much until i have a computer and a cubicle |
| 21:33.59 | kergoth | ah |
| 21:34.00 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:34.29 | kergoth | I'll be doing a buildsystem initially, kernel driver development, and who knows what else |
| 21:35.02 | George- | is 132 GBP a good deal for an iPod? |
| 21:35.22 | darkschneider | kergoth: hoo soon i will ask you help on sharp development too :) |
| 21:35.51 | kergoth | darkschneider: ask away |
| 21:36.26 | George- | kergoth: ok, what's your job description? :P |
| 21:36.48 | kergoth | job description? |
| 21:36.51 | kergoth | dood, i dont have a desk |
| 21:36.56 | kergoth | you think i have a job description |
| 21:36.56 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:37.01 | kergoth | :) |
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| 21:37.22 | Wintre | George: How much will a similar Archos cost? |
| 21:37.41 | darkschneider | if i get this sharp i will need to port some of my math app on it :) |
| 21:37.41 | darkschneider | anyone has the sharp zaurus jap page on hand? |
| 21:38.01 | George- | kergoth: haha |
| 21:38.07 | George- | Wintre: what's an archos? |
| 21:38.13 | George- | Wintre: this is the 5gb ipod btw |
| 21:38.25 | Wintre | It's an MP3 player |
| 21:38.27 | George- | Wintre: and I don't have any comps with usb2, but I "have" a laptop with firewire ;) |
| 21:38.29 | Wintre | With a hard drive |
| 21:38.46 | George- | no idea |
| 21:38.51 | Wintre | About $200 to $250 for 20 GB |
| 21:39.03 | Wintre | US. Presumably fewer pounds |
| 21:39.56 | darkschneider | George-: 5gb and 10 gb verion is avaiable too |
| 21:39.56 | darkschneider | and another option to ipod is: |
| 21:39.56 | darkschneider | http://www.neurosaudio.com/store/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=DigitalInnovationsCatalog&category%5Fname=Neuros+Players&product%5Fid=4010201&cookie%5Ftest=1 |
| 21:40.14 | George- | darkschneider: what interface? firewire? |
| 21:40.33 | darkschneider | i think nope, but it does ogg too :) |
| 21:41.30 | darkschneider | (it's usb |
| 21:42.06 | George- | ouch |
| 21:42.13 | George- | I don't want a usb one |
| 21:42.57 | darkschneider | checked: Full speed USB 1.1 |
| 21:43.17 | darkschneider | but it has double space and soon linux offcial support |
| 21:44.40 | George- | as I say, I have a mac so linux support is irrelevant |
| 21:44.48 | George- | ;) |
| 21:44.59 | George- | and anyway, the ipod is cute |
| 21:45.00 | George- | lol |
| 21:45.07 | darkschneider | you use it with your zausus :) |
| 21:45.18 | George- | use what? |
| 21:45.24 | darkschneider | the mp3 player |
| 21:45.30 | George- | the z doesn't have usb host. |
| 21:45.32 | *** join/#zaurus Twiun (~twiun@adorphuye.com) |
| 21:45.39 | darkschneider | :(( |
| 21:45.57 | darkschneider | poor penguin |
| 21:46.04 | George- | heh |
| 21:46.11 | darkschneider | :) |
| 21:46.17 | Wintre | The iPod is definitely cooler |
| 21:46.28 | darkschneider | "nicer to look" |
| 21:46.31 | Wintre | But here in Norway the thing costs like 5x(!) what I paid for an Archos in the US |
| 21:46.32 | darkschneider | that's true :) |
| 21:46.38 | Wintre | So, y'know, fuck that. |
| 21:46.48 | darkschneider | Wintre: same here in italy |
| 21:47.04 | darkschneider | sharp 5500 is priced 500 euros!!! |
| 21:47.12 | *** join/#zaurus bobbyd (~rob@pc2-broo3-3-cust36.renf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 21:47.14 | bobbyd | hi |
| 21:47.15 | Wintre | Of course, here in Norway the Archos costs like 2x(!) what I paid for it in the US |
| 21:47.19 | darkschneider | only 350 dollars in us... |
| 21:47.26 | bobbyd | do I use the 5500 image for the c700? |
| 21:47.28 | George- | Wintre: hrmm |
| 21:47.32 | George- | Wintre: that sucks |
| 21:47.40 | George- | Wintre: and I thought the UK was expensive. |
| 21:47.51 | darkschneider | bobbyd: what you mean? |
| 21:47.54 | Wintre | Norway... Well, it's not cheap. |
| 21:48.00 | bobbyd | which image do I use for the c700 |
| 21:48.07 | darkschneider | the c 700 one :) |
| 21:48.10 | mark | god, sharp can be idiots |
| 21:48.17 | bobbyd | darkschneider: is that in bitkeeper? |
| 21:48.32 | darkschneider | no idea i get youm one |
| 21:48.39 | darkschneider | http://www.expansys.it/product.asp?code=SL-C700 |
| 21:48.41 | kergoth | bobbyd: for OZ? |
| 21:48.49 | bobbyd | kergoth: yes, sorry |
| 21:48.50 | kergoth | bobbyd: http://openzaurus.org/official/experimental/c700 |
| 21:48.50 | darkschneider | here the image of c700 :) |
| 21:49.06 | bobbyd | kergoth: thanks |
| 21:49.17 | darkschneider | :) |
| 21:49.30 | darkschneider | now i got what he meant |
| 21:49.32 | bobbyd | darkschneider: thanks ;) however I know what It look like as I own one ;) |
| 21:49.45 | bobbyd | sorry if I was vauge ;) |
| 21:50.00 | darkschneider | bobbyd: eheh :PP i got what you mean after kergoth answered you |
| 21:50.14 | darkschneider | bobbyd: how you feel with it? |
| 21:50.30 | darkschneider | i'm chooseing betwenn sl5600 and c700 |
| 21:51.02 | bobbyd | darkschneider: it rocks, screen is excellent, keyboard is usable, seems fast |
| 21:51.06 | kergoth | darkschneider: c700 has a far cooler formfactor, and better display, higher resolution, better keyboard. 5600 has larger battery. |
| 21:51.07 | bobbyd | for me, it's perfect |
| 21:51.18 | kergoth | darkschneider: i'd recommend the c7x0 myself. |
| 21:51.31 | bobbyd | kergoth: there's a new one? ;) |
| 21:51.44 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:51.52 | darkschneider | kergoth: mm ok i need that.. i'm really new to pda and alike |
| 21:51.56 | kergoth | you missed the c750/760 announcement? |
| 21:51.58 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:52.04 | bobbyd | !?!?!?!! |
| 21:52.10 | bobbyd | what's the specs |
| 21:52.10 | darkschneider | ok no i need some other infor |
| 21:52.19 | bobbyd | am I going to be dissapointed? :((( |
| 21:52.33 | darkschneider | kergoth: for c700 what i need to install onm it when it ships |
| 21:52.35 | bobbyd | :( |
| 21:52.42 | kergoth | darkschneider: depends. |
| 21:52.44 | bobbyd | bobby is already googling |
| 21:53.00 | kergoth | preorder? |
| 21:53.02 | darkschneider | kergoth: i'm slack user, only linux man |
| 21:53.14 | darkschneider | kergoth: i can only preorder it here |
| 21:53.38 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:53.43 | kergoth | conics.net ships worldwide, last i checked |
| 21:53.43 | darkschneider | kergoth: and i allready consider me luck since sinme time ago it was not possbile to have it at all |
| 21:53.55 | darkschneider | i'm from italy.. |
| 21:54.05 | kergoth | what part of 'worldwide' did you miss? |
| 21:54.20 | _Psycho | w0rldw1d3 ! |
| 21:54.23 | darkschneider | only company allowed so ship here seems to be expansys |
| 21:54.34 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:54.36 | darkschneider | kergoth: mmm ?? sharp changed his pales? |
| 21:54.41 | darkschneider | plans? |
| 21:54.44 | kergoth | sharp? |
| 21:54.47 | kergoth | sharp sells them in japan |
| 21:54.47 | _Psycho | you should give up kergoth ;) |
| 21:54.51 | kergoth | you pay someone to import them |
| 21:54.55 | kergoth | dynamism, brando, conics.net |
| 21:54.56 | _Psycho | ~conics |
| 21:54.57 | kergoth | etc |
| 21:55.01 | kergoth | ~dynamism |
| 21:55.01 | | [dynamism] a site that sells english Sharp Zaurii C700's http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/ |
| 21:55.08 | kergoth | ~conics.net |
| 21:55.11 | _Psycho | ~c700 |
| 21:55.16 | | c700 is, like, http://zaurus.kruss.com/files/zaurus2003/, or http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/, or http://shop.conics.net/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/images |
| 21:55.16 | kergoth | hm |
| 21:55.16 | darkschneider | kergoth: ok of them last time i asked here, noone shipped them to italy.. |
| 21:55.17 | _Psycho | ok well |
| 21:55.59 | bobbyd | crap, the c760 is perfect! |
| 21:56.07 | _Psycho | ibot: conics is http://www.conics.net/ |
| 21:56.07 | | okay, _Psycho |
| 21:56.10 | bobbyd | oh well, amybe I can sell this one... |
| 21:56.50 | *** join/#zaurus ljp_laptop (~ljp@tz0200.peakpeak.com) |
| 21:57.28 | bobbyd | anyone want to buy a nearly new c700 for more than the origional price? |
| 21:57.59 | Wintre | bobbyd: Only if you know another person who wants to buy it at that price |
| 21:58.11 | Wintre | So I can buy it from you at a midpoint and sell it to him |
| 21:58.12 | Wintre | :) |
| 21:58.18 | bobbyd | :) |
| 21:59.58 | darkschneider | bobbyd: as taxes are hi buying it at a price greater than what you paid it probably still sames me some money |
| 22:02.02 | *** join/#zaurus br33zy (~br33zy@dt0f7n86.san.rr.com) |
| 22:02.20 | George- | <Peter> do I get banned if I sex0r the bots? |
| 22:02.20 | George- | <Peter> I DID NOT just say that |
| 22:02.21 | George- | hahaha |
| 22:02.29 | mark | ~lart George- |
| 22:02.35 | *** join/#zaurus mewyn` (~mike@dsl081-228-057.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 22:02.35 | kergoth | ~lart George- |
| 22:02.40 | George- | oh no, not again |
| 22:02.47 | _Psycho | ~lart George- |
| 22:02.51 | George- | argh |
| 22:02.56 | George- | nooo |
| 22:03.11 | George- | kergoth: c'mon, be nice, I *did* give you access to my athlon! :) |
| 22:03.13 | ljp_laptop | ok, quite picking on georgie |
| 22:03.18 | mark | ~fishslap George- |
| 22:03.19 | | ACTION slaps George- up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 22:03.19 | ljp_laptop | quit |
| 22:03.24 | mark | ljp_laptop: aww, do we have to? |
| 22:03.36 | ljp_laptop | well.. no. not really |
| 22:03.46 | _Psycho | phew |
| 22:03.47 | ljp_laptop | ~lart George- |
| 22:03.52 | George- | ARGH!! |
| 22:03.56 | George- | NO! ANYTHING BUT THAT!!! |
| 22:03.58 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 22:04.01 | _Psycho | haha |
| 22:04.05 | doughecka | ~lart George- |
| 22:04.11 | darkschneider | rofl |
| 22:04.20 | doughecka | ~insult darkschneider |
| 22:04.52 | doughecka | huh |
| 22:04.53 | George- | insulthost seems to be down |
| 22:04.59 | doughecka | ~insult me |
| 22:05.10 | darkschneider | ys it is :P |
| 22:05.14 | darkschneider | lol |
| 22:05.14 | doughecka | ~are you lame? |
| 22:05.22 | George- | ~sucks |
| 22:05.23 | | If you got $5 I'll do more than that! |
| 22:05.31 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:05.46 | George- | oh dear, doughecka's going into orgasm. |
| 22:06.11 | *** join/#zaurus buliwyf (~buliwyf@p508C44B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:06.21 | doughecka | I dont have enuf ram to play wolfenstien! |
| 22:06.51 | George- | doughecka: how much ram do you have? |
| 22:06.56 | doughecka | 256 |
| 22:07.00 | doughecka | DDR too |
| 22:07.01 | George- | that's pitiful |
| 22:07.06 | doughecka | but noo, its not enuf |
| 22:07.08 | mark | George-: not everyone is as rich as you |
| 22:07.11 | doughecka | heck, the xbox has 64 megs |
| 22:07.13 | George- | my broken down tibook at least has 512MB of working ram ;) |
| 22:07.19 | George- | mark: I'm NOT RICH |
| 22:07.29 | doughecka | you have a powerbook g4 |
| 22:07.34 | _Psycho | mark: his parent are |
| 22:07.34 | yeiazel | George-: is that to compensate ? |
| 22:07.39 | yeiazel | is your dick soooooooooo small ? |
| 22:07.49 | George- | yeiazel: :) |
| 22:07.56 | George- | _Psycho: lies! |
| 22:08.04 | George- | how am I rich anyway? |
| 22:08.07 | George- | I'M NOT RICH |
| 22:08.09 | doughecka | svchost.exe... hmm |
| 22:08.14 | doughecka | you have a powerbook g4 |
| 22:08.18 | George- | hrmmph |
| 22:08.25 | George- | in comparison to people at school, I'm really poor |
| 22:08.30 | George- | *ducks* |
| 22:08.41 | doughecka | happens at a military school |
| 22:08.53 | George- | I'm not at a military school |
| 22:08.56 | George- | mark can confirm that. |
| 22:09.01 | doughecka | I ai nt mark |
| 22:09.22 | George- | mark: isn't that true? I don't go to military school? |
| 22:09.23 | yeiazel | « ooooh other ppl at school have $10000/month, I only have $8000 ! » |
| 22:09.27 | darkschneider | you own a mac, that makes you rich |
| 22:09.44 | doughecka | amen |
| 22:09.45 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:09.50 | darkschneider | 1 mac = 2 pc |
| 22:09.53 | kergoth | yeiazel: exactly |
| 22:09.55 | _Psycho | for price |
| 22:09.57 | darkschneider | as price |
| 22:09.59 | George- | yeiazel: uhm |
| 22:10.00 | kergoth | ~lart George- |
| 22:10.01 | _Psycho | not for the hardware for sure |
| 22:10.02 | doughecka | er, my dad owns 2 macs, and he aint rich |
| 22:10.06 | _Psycho | I dont like mac at all |
| 22:10.10 | darkschneider | adn 5 pc = 1 mac for float ops |
| 22:10.13 | doughecka | ~cluebat George- |
| 22:10.16 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps George-. |
| 22:10.16 | George- | mark: tell them I'm not rich! |
| 22:10.16 | _Psycho | cost too much for they worth |
| 22:10.17 | ljp_laptop | once ate a big mac |
| 22:10.51 | darkschneider | ~cluebat a mac- |
| 22:10.52 | | ACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps a mac-. |
| 22:11.04 | George- | yeiazel: is $10,000 a month a lot? |
| 22:11.17 | doughecka | see? |
| 22:11.20 | darkschneider | George-: not a few :) |
| 22:11.24 | doughecka | he gets 50000 a month |
| 22:11.32 | George- | uhh |
| 22:11.44 | George- | I'M NOT RICH |
| 22:11.47 | mark | George-: erm, how much are your school fees? |
| 22:11.56 | George- | mark: 20k/year |
| 22:12.10 | doughecka | ~20000/12 |
| 22:12.10 | | 1666.666666666667 |
| 22:12.15 | treke | 10k/month = 120,000k per year :p |
| 22:12.15 | mark | doughecka: thats ukp |
| 22:12.17 | doughecka | 1666 a month |
| 22:12.17 | George- | mark: still, you're are 10k/year |
| 22:12.32 | mark | ibot: 1666 * 1.6 |
| 22:12.33 | | 2665.6 |
| 22:12.34 | George- | doughecka: that's pounds btw |
| 22:12.35 | treke | er no , its 120k a year :P |
| 22:12.44 | George- | treke: haha :) |
| 22:12.45 | mark | $2650 a month |
| 22:13.03 | George- | i'm not rich. |
| 22:13.09 | treke | yes you are |
| 22:13.16 | George- | mark: oh, minus 1000 GBP for my scholarship |
| 22:13.23 | George- | mark: that makes it 19k/year |
| 22:13.29 | doughecka | ~topic add <George-> i'm not rich. |
| 22:13.29 | *** topic/#zaurus by ibot -> Sharp Zaurus Discussion | OpenZaurus discussion in #openzaurus and #openembedded | http://zaurus.com/ | http://myzaurus.com/ | SF zaurus mailing list subscribers will be transitioned to the new lists today! || <George-> i'm not rich. (doughecka) |
| 22:13.46 | treke | you're 14 and you have a tibook and pay 1600 a month for school |
| 22:13.54 | George- | treke: 15 |
| 22:14.06 | treke | by most definitions that's going to qualify as being in a rich family :) |
| 22:14.07 | doughecka | ~rehash topic |
| 22:14.11 | doughecka | 15? |
| 22:14.16 | George- | treke: and mark pays 10k/year. |
| 22:14.17 | doughecka | I thought you was 10 |
| 22:14.28 | doughecka | ~topic rehash |
| 22:14.29 | *** topic/#zaurus by ibot -> Sharp Zaurus Discussion | OpenZaurus discussion in #openzaurus and #openembedded | http://zaurus.com/ | http://myzaurus.com/ | SF zaurus mailing list subscribers will be transitioned to the new lists today! || <George-> i'm not rich. (doughecka) |
| 22:14.34 | darkschneider | lol 20K/year... i dream 10K to get a new car from many years.. |
| 22:14.37 | yeiazel | he pays for school what I get each month, working hard ! |
| 22:14.54 | doughecka | +payments for a tibook |
| 22:14.54 | George- | hrrmph. |
| 22:14.57 | doughecka | and zauruses |
| 22:14.58 | darkschneider | it's 1 year that i save for a pda... |
| 22:15.06 | George- | doughecka: my zaurus was free ;) |
| 22:15.11 | doughecka | you have 2 |
| 22:15.19 | George- | doughecka: my other is 2nd hand |
| 22:15.23 | darkschneider | and still not get the target (i'm at sl5600 spot...) |
| 22:15.24 | doughecka | I see. |
| 22:15.51 | George- | mark: shut up, you've caused enough damage :P |
| 22:16.50 | darkschneider | ok i think that b700 is too expensive for me |
| 22:17.08 | darkschneider | it's around 700 euros .. |
| 22:17.19 | *** topic/#zaurus by ibot -> Sharp Zaurus Discussion | OpenZaurus discussion in #openzaurus and #openembedded | http://zaurus.com/ | http://myzaurus.com/ | SF zaurus mailing list subscribers will be transitioned to the new lists today! |
| 22:17.25 | *** join/#zaurus Twiun (~twiun@adorphuye.com) |
| 22:17.35 | doughecka | Twiun: are you rich? |
| 22:17.36 | George- | ARGH |
| 22:17.38 | doughecka | George- is |
| 22:17.44 | yeiazel | :) |
| 22:17.44 | doughecka | how about that |
| 22:17.44 | George- | I've got a swiss army knife stuck to my lip |
| 22:18.01 | doughecka | George-: now the hospital bills |
| 22:18.04 | doughecka | what next? |
| 22:18.08 | doughecka | a new arm? |
| 22:18.09 | Twiun | doughecka: eh? |
| 22:18.11 | George- | doughecka: hrmm |
| 22:18.12 | doughecka | how about a new head |
| 22:18.14 | George- | Twiun: no idea |
| 22:18.18 | Twiun | doughecka: who's the good cause? |
| 22:18.22 | doughecka | me |
| 22:19.13 | Twiun | killed X? |
| 22:19.19 | Twiun | stopped using KDE or GNOME? |
| 22:19.24 | doughecka | nope |
| 22:19.30 | doughecka | I closed a bunch of IE windows |
| 22:19.36 | George- | doughecka: and if I was rich, would I be using a 450MHz k6-2 laptop? :P |
| 22:19.52 | darkschneider | yes you have a laptop! |
| 22:19.57 | yeiazel | yea |
| 22:19.59 | doughecka | and 2 pdas! |
| 22:20.02 | darkschneider | i dream a laptop! |
| 22:20.08 | George- | hrrmph. |
| 22:20.21 | ljp_laptop | I dream a surf girl |
| 22:20.25 | George- | And I was on 56k until last month |
| 22:20.53 | treke | I dream of kergoth |
| 22:20.57 | George- | hahaha |
| 22:21.36 | treke | I could settle for a surf girl |
| 22:21.58 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:22.00 | darkschneider | me even for half surf girl |
| 22:22.03 | doughecka | dweebs |
| 22:22.11 | ljp_laptop | half? |
| 22:22.34 | darkschneider | upper or lower half doesn'e matter :) |
| 22:22.40 | doughecka | like, hanging half in, half out the surf |
| 22:22.46 | treke | preferably the half that can cook and do laundry |
| 22:22.57 | darkschneider | yeah :) |
| 22:23.08 | darkschneider | upper half can be useful for the home |
| 22:23.43 | doughecka | did I mention I work at the work visa office? |
| 22:23.57 | doughecka | oh hah, I see a Mr. ljp_laptop here.. |
| 22:23.59 | treke | doughecka: did we mention that we would like you to go to hell and die? |
| 22:24.17 | doughecka | treke: dont it work the other way around? |
| 22:24.22 | treke | doughecka: no |
| 22:24.25 | treke | go to hell. die. |
| 22:24.34 | doughecka | hell north dekoda |
| 22:24.51 | ljp_laptop | ok, Mr. doughecka, what country do youwork for, then? |
| 22:25.00 | ljp_laptop | hmmm? |
| 22:25.06 | doughecka | austrailia |
| 22:25.31 | ljp_laptop | there is no country names austrailia |
| 22:25.53 | doughecka | sosumi, I cant spell |
| 22:26.02 | doughecka | eep! |
| 22:26.05 | George- | er... OK, I'll sue you. |
| 22:26.06 | doughecka | toot |
| 22:26.14 | doughecka | beep |
| 22:26.23 | doughecka | hmm, what else? |
| 22:26.36 | doughecka | quack |
| 22:26.37 | ljp_laptop | ~lart doughdecka |
| 22:27.21 | doughecka | ~sugar1 |
| 22:27.22 | | Sugar seen ibot |
| 22:27.23 | Sugar | ibot: I last saw ibot on IRC 0 sec ago ago in channel #zaurus saying: Sugar seen ibot |
| 22:27.24 | | Sugar: You are moron #5 |
| 22:27.42 | treke | ibot, seen ibot? |
| 22:27.43 | | i haven't seen 'ibot', treke |
| 22:27.53 | doughecka | sugar seen ibot |
| 22:27.54 | Sugar | doughecka: I last saw ibot on IRC 9 sec ago in channel #zaurus saying: i haven't seen 'ibot', treke |
| 22:28.15 | doughecka | ~seen billgates |
| 22:28.15 | | i haven't seen 'billgates', doughecka |
| 22:28.26 | doughecka | ~seen santa |
| 22:28.26 | | santa <~jupiter@12-253-125-169.client.attbi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #picogui, 161d 19h 48m 25s ago, saying: 'file: yeah, but i did it fedex, so it won't show up until april'. |
| 22:28.36 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:29.03 | ljp_laptop | ~seen my paycheck |
| 22:29.03 | | i haven't seen 'my paycheck', ljp_laptop |
| 22:29.11 | doughecka | ~santaa is <reply> santa <~jupiter@12-253-125-169.client.attbi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #picogui, 161d 19h 48m 25s ago, saying: 'file: yeah, but i did it fedex, so it won't show up until april'. |
| 22:29.11 | | doughecka: okay |
| 22:29.23 | Wintre | ljp: Clever |
| 22:29.33 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 22:29.40 | Wintre | ~seen elvis |
| 22:29.44 | | Wintre: i haven't seen 'elvis' |
| 22:29.53 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 22:29.55 | doughecka | ~seen anyone |
| 22:29.55 | | i haven't seen 'anyone', doughecka |
| 22:30.02 | doughecka | úuh huhh |
| 22:30.05 | ljp_laptop | ibot: yo momma |
| 22:30.06 | | ljp_laptop: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 22:30.06 | doughecka | hey, how did I do that? |
| 22:30.13 | doughecka | ~whos your daddy? |
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| 22:32.36 | treke | .seen the best distribution ever |
| 22:32.44 | treke | ~.seen the best distribution ever |
| 22:32.44 | | I haven't seen 'openzaurus' |
| 22:32.45 | rgrep | Any one preordered a C760 yet? |
| 22:34.16 | ljp_laptop | I preordered the new Jewel cd. does that count? |
| 22:34.33 | treke | no |
| 22:34.53 | George- | http://www.negcap.com/NC1/sosumi.html |
| 22:39.11 | rgrep | ljp_laptop: depends, if you got it translated into english from japanese then i'd pass it. ;) |
| 22:50.23 | George- | treke: haha |
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