| 00:06.28 | *** join/#zaurus aveng0 (~david@ip248-172.ott.istop.com) |
| 00:09.04 | *** join/#zaurus djk (~djk@ool-44c14684.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:09.18 | *** join/#zaurus Pendalar_ (Pendalar@68.114.150.55) |
| 00:29.37 | *** join/#zaurus chrionix (~chrionix@CPE-144-136-128-55.qld.bigpond.net.au) |
| 00:30.00 | chrionix | arg!!! setting up tcp/ip over usb is horrible! |
| 00:30.43 | ljp_laptop | is it? |
| 00:30.54 | chrionix | it is. |
| 00:31.56 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 00:32.03 | ljp_laptop | you sure? |
| 00:32.12 | chrionix | Was that sarcasm, as in "Yes, we all know that it sucks, shut up already", or was it a semi-serious "I didn't have any trouble, you're just dumb"? :) |
| 00:32.14 | doughecka | nope |
| 00:33.00 | chrionix | I can't for the life of me ping my zaurus. |
| 00:34.46 | chrionix | please, if there's anyone that has the slightest inclination, I need help |
| 00:35.10 | chrionix | I just paid $700 AU for this thing, I'm not gonna spit on it :) |
| 00:35.21 | doughecka | 700? |
| 00:35.29 | doughecka | ~convert 700 AU to dollars |
| 00:35.46 | chrionix | roughly 300 I would say |
| 00:35.53 | ljp_laptop | 700*.66 |
| 00:35.58 | ljp_laptop | err no |
| 00:36.08 | doughecka | wow |
| 00:36.11 | doughecka | way over priced |
| 00:36.13 | ljp_laptop | err ya |
| 00:36.13 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:36.21 | chrionix | I'm in Australia.... |
| 00:36.23 | Joelw | Looked at http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html? |
| 00:36.28 | chrionix | Everything tech is overpriced |
| 00:36.29 | ljp_laptop | ibot: 700*.66 |
| 00:36.30 | | 462 |
| 00:36.34 | doughecka | ah |
| 00:36.59 | ljp_laptop | which part of australia? |
| 00:37.06 | Fare | chrionix: everything is overpriced |
| 00:37.11 | doughecka | downunder part |
| 00:37.16 | chrionix | It's cheaper for me to get a friend over there in the states to buy a 802.11 router and cf card, and send em over than it is to buy em here |
| 00:37.17 | ljp_laptop | ha ha ha |
| 00:37.34 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: Brisbane, Queensland |
| 00:37.44 | chrionix | Joelw: I've gone through that |
| 00:37.46 | ljp_laptop | awesome. I'm header right there |
| 00:37.52 | ljp_laptop | soon |
| 00:37.54 | chrionix | Joelw: and another page |
| 00:38.09 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: Ahhh, cool. Well you will soon experience my pain :) |
| 00:38.17 | ljp_laptop | heh depends |
| 00:38.19 | Joelw | chrionix: Hrm. I can't help you any more - I have the CF 802.11 card and haven't bothered with usb at all, except for in Windows. |
| 00:38.40 | Joelw | chrionix: Oh, which kernel are you using? |
| 00:38.40 | ljp_laptop | thing is with us electronics, the power is all different |
| 00:38.44 | Joelw | (on your PC) |
| 00:38.47 | chouimat|bored | hey ljp_laptop |
| 00:38.55 | chrionix | Joelw: Okay, thanks anyway man. I really want a CF wireless card, but I will need a router as well |
| 00:39.02 | ljp_laptop | hey choui: I found someone in brisbane! |
| 00:39.10 | chouimat|bored | ljp_laptop: lol |
| 00:39.22 | doughecka | one? |
| 00:39.29 | doughecka | so we have a total of 2 people in there? |
| 00:39.32 | doughecka | woo |
| 00:39.41 | ljp_laptop | I am not there yet |
| 00:39.45 | chouimat|bored | ljp_laptop: I just realized that I lost the last 4 days of work |
| 00:39.55 | ljp_laptop | waiting on work visa,,.... |
| 00:40.00 | ljp_laptop | hmm hows that? |
| 00:40.10 | Joelw | chrionix: Try ebay, or even Crime Converters - I got a DLink bridge for 99 bucks. |
| 00:40.26 | ljp_laptop | chrionix: how much is a wireless router? |
| 00:40.32 | Fare | why need a router? is it safe? |
| 00:40.42 | *** join/#zaurus raster (~raster@203.206.217.82) |
| 00:40.45 | chrionix | Joelw: After paying the exorbitant price of the Z here, my gf won't let me buy anything tech for a while |
| 00:40.57 | chouimat|bored | the client didn't liked the look of my report, he said that the report was not looking professional and I won't get paid, and he will give me bad press here |
| 00:40.58 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: Around $215 AU |
| 00:41.08 | *** join/#zaurus mithro (~tim@dsl1-83.gw1.adl1.airnet.com.au) |
| 00:41.11 | Joelw | chrionix: It sounds like you need to buy her an expensive gift, too. |
| 00:41.12 | Joelw | mithro: Hi! |
| 00:41.13 | ljp_laptop | ibot: 215*.66 |
| 00:41.14 | | 141.9 |
| 00:41.23 | Fare | chouimat|bored: what was wrong? |
| 00:41.47 | chouimat|bored | Fare: I don't know he doesn't want to talk to me anymore ... |
| 00:41.50 | ljp_laptop | thing is you guys use silly voltage and silly power plug |
| 00:41.59 | chouimat|bored | and he didn't explain it too |
| 00:42.16 | ljp_laptop | thats only a bit higher then here, with exchange rate |
| 00:42.19 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: sorry :) |
| 00:42.24 | Fare | chouimat|bored: I think you used the wrong printer color |
| 00:42.25 | pHluid | http://home.nc.rr.com/phluid/opie_0.9.9/ <-- Few Opie 0.9.9 on OZ 3.2 screenies, if anybody is interested |
| 00:42.29 | ljp_laptop | heh np, I'll have to get used to it |
| 00:42.38 | Fare | or maybe you typoed the guy's name |
| 00:42.41 | chouimat|bored | ljp_laptop: I would like to have 220V/60Hz that mean more computer on the circuits |
| 00:42.58 | doughecka | keeps it running for decades |
| 00:42.58 | ljp_laptop | they have 240v/50hz |
| 00:43.04 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: sorry, make that 315 :P |
| 00:43.08 | mithro | hey Joelw, just about to go to uni |
| 00:43.09 | chouimat|bored | Fare: I just always used the layout I used for my reports |
| 00:43.19 | ljp_laptop | ibot: 315*.66 |
| 00:43.20 | | 207.9 |
| 00:43.30 | Joelw | mithro: Cool! Do all your VACA? :) |
| 00:43.30 | subdue | zaurus's are usually portable |
| 00:43.35 | ljp_laptop | I cna find one here for 89 US |
| 00:43.36 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: http://www.thediscshop.com.au/ ... they're one of the cheapest places I've ever found |
| 00:43.59 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: I know, that's what I'm talking about, a friend is going to buy a router/cf card for me and send em over |
| 00:44.09 | *** join/#zaurus aTypical (~jriker@66-214-172-217.mpk-eres.charterpipeline.net) |
| 00:44.17 | mithro | Joelw: yeah most of it, question 2 was a bit of a bummer |
| 00:44.36 | ljp_laptop | hmm, I'm going to need a power transformer |
| 00:44.46 | Joelw | mithro: After about two pages of work, I found out that the example in the textbook was exactly the same as the question, so I just copied that out. |
| 00:44.58 | Joelw | (only the a part - I sort of did c, but skipped the other two) |
| 00:44.58 | *** join/#zaurus dcarmich (~dcarmich@d233-178-231.nap.wideopenwest.com) |
| 00:45.01 | ljp_laptop | but you will have to use a converter on the router for power |
| 00:45.23 | Joelw | ljp_laptop: You can just replace the plug pack with a locally purchased one |
| 00:45.36 | ljp_laptop | but we use 110v here |
| 00:45.42 | ljp_laptop | and 60 hz |
| 00:45.53 | ljp_laptop | oh, heh nm |
| 00:46.06 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: like Joelw |
| 00:46.08 | chrionix | said :P |
| 00:46.09 | Joelw | Sure, but your transformer/plugpack converts it to DC anyway - it doesn't matter what the input is as long as the output is correct. |
| 00:46.13 | mithro | Joelw: yeah i did it in matlab mostly |
| 00:46.22 | Joelw | mithro: Ahr. |
| 00:46.56 | ljp_laptop | so I should get my wireless stuff here, before I leave. |
| 00:47.01 | chrionix | So guys, I have the usbdnet module installed on my desktop, I have the ip addresses configured, why can't I ping the Z? |
| 00:47.07 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: definately |
| 00:47.14 | oGMo | you don't have it plugged in |
| 00:47.30 | oGMo | chrionix: did you remove CDCEther? |
| 00:47.36 | oGMo | that must _not_ be loaded |
| 00:47.38 | ljp_laptop | what ip did you ifconfig it to? |
| 00:47.39 | chrionix | oGMo: Yeah, I could really use real answers right now man :) |
| 00:47.49 | oGMo | chrionix: hehe |
| 00:47.49 | oGMo | yeah |
| 00:48.05 | chrionix | oGMo: how do I check if CDCEther is loaded? |
| 00:48.08 | oGMo | chrionix: lsmod |
| 00:48.09 | oGMo | ;) |
| 00:48.30 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: the z is configured to 192.168.129.201, and the desktop usb0 interface to 192.168.129.1 |
| 00:48.37 | oGMo | that's right |
| 00:48.51 | oGMo | someone _just_ did this again for 2.38, so i know it works |
| 00:48.54 | chrionix | oGMo: Yeah, that's what I figured, CDCEther is not loaded |
| 00:48.58 | oGMo | if this is 3.10, matters change |
| 00:49.03 | oGMo | chrionix: k good |
| 00:49.15 | oGMo | and, uh... how _is_ the Z plugged in? cradle? |
| 00:49.21 | chrionix | yeap |
| 00:49.24 | oGMo | hrm |
| 00:49.27 | oGMo | 2.38 rom? |
| 00:49.46 | ljp_laptop | hmm maybe I will also bring my dsl modem |
| 00:50.07 | oGMo | this is just me making sure we're on the same page... usbdnet not just usbnet, right? |
| 00:50.09 | chrionix | 2.35 :P |
| 00:50.17 | ljp_laptop | your ifconfig should specify 192.168.129.200 |
| 00:50.22 | oGMo | chrionix: hmm, then your desktop should be configured to .200 |
| 00:50.25 | br33zy | qwerty |
| 00:50.33 | oGMo | but that should technically not matter for ping, iirc |
| 00:50.56 | ljp_laptop | yes, usbdnet is not usbnet |
| 00:51.04 | chrionix | yeah, I just changed it, hasn't helped |
| 00:51.17 | ljp_laptop | then ping 192.168.129.201 |
| 00:51.20 | oGMo | ljp_laptop: yeah, i'm hoping he didn't get them switched |
| 00:51.25 | oGMo | but i doubt it |
| 00:51.40 | chrionix | yeah, lsmod = usbdnet size 15136 used by 1 |
| 00:51.55 | chrionix | but that's the only module I have running |
| 00:52.40 | ljp_laptop | ifconfig say its configured? |
| 00:52.49 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: yeap |
| 00:53.52 | ljp_laptop | yep, I can get a wireless router, D-Link, for $89 |
| 00:53.54 | *** part/#zaurus PorkySpine (~PorkySpin@213.58.33.92) |
| 00:54.10 | oGMo | odd, it sounds like you did everything right |
| 00:54.16 | oGMo | what does route say on the desktop side? |
| 00:54.16 | chrionix | when I plugged in the usb cable, it didn't automatically load the usbdnet module, I had to modprobe it |
| 00:54.22 | oGMo | hmm |
| 00:54.39 | oGMo | ohh, i wonder if you have CDCEther compiled in, if you have no other modules |
| 00:54.52 | oGMo | that would suck, but |
| 00:54.57 | ljp_laptop | rmmod usbdnet, remove the plug, mosprobe usbdnet and plug it in again |
| 00:55.12 | ljp_laptop | modprobe even |
| 00:55.42 | oGMo | heh |
| 00:55.53 | oGMo | it's suspicious that he has no other modules loaded |
| 00:55.54 | chrionix | oGMo: I just finished recompiling the kernel, I have three usb entries as modules |
| 00:55.57 | oGMo | highly |
| 00:56.05 | oGMo | chrionix: hrm, k |
| 00:56.25 | oGMo | what does route say? when everything is plugged and configured? |
| 00:57.18 | chrionix | 192.168.129.201 * 255.255.255.0 UH 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 00:57.24 | chrionix | that's the route entry |
| 00:57.29 | oGMo | hrm |
| 00:57.39 | ljp_laptop | I compiled 2.4.21rc2 with usbnet, adn it works great |
| 00:57.41 | oGMo | that really sholud work |
| 01:00.51 | chrionix | ahhh, to hell with it, I'm going to grab a beer. Thanks heaps for the help guys |
| 01:01.09 | ljp_laptop | hmm, |
| 01:03.42 | Joelw | chrionix: Which kernel are you using? |
| 01:03.59 | chrionix | a newly compiled 2.4.20 |
| 01:04.20 | Joelw | Hmm.. try 2.4.21rc3, perhaps? |
| 01:04.28 | chrionix | Can I attach tcpdump to a usb port? |
| 01:04.41 | Joelw | No, but you can tcpdump your usb0 interface. |
| 01:04.56 | ljp_laptop | chrionix: do you have to pay import taxes when you have friends ship stuff to youZ? |
| 01:04.57 | Joelw | There may be some classy program around for spying on USB ports, though. |
| 01:05.05 | chrionix | port/interface, you know what I mean |
| 01:05.23 | Joelw | ljp_laptop: Not if you say that it's worth $20 on the customs declaration! :) |
| 01:05.37 | ljp_laptop | oh.. hmmm |
| 01:05.44 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: nope, it just comes in a parcel, If I were to get a retailer to import something for me I would. |
| 01:06.05 | ljp_laptop | cause I have a bunch of crap to send myself |
| 01:06.18 | chrionix | hrmm, sounds like Joelw knows more than I do. |
| 01:06.34 | Joelw | chrionix: If you declare it's over $x (500? 300?) then customs will charge you GST |
| 01:06.43 | chrionix | I've never had anything sent over post before. |
| 01:06.46 | Joelw | Sometimes. They don't always. |
| 01:06.49 | chrionix | Joelw: Oh, okay |
| 01:07.00 | *** join/#zaurus dcarmich (~dcarmich@d233-178-231.nap.wideopenwest.com) |
| 01:07.06 | chrionix | Joelw: How do they know, doesn't the parcel just come to my door |
| 01:07.08 | Joelw | It's better to get friends to send it because they can fake the description :) It's harder to get shops to do that. |
| 01:07.30 | chrionix | Joelw: What if I had no idea what was in the parcel, a friend just sent me something out of the blue |
| 01:07.30 | ljp_laptop | if its from overseas, it goes through customs |
| 01:07.33 | Joelw | chrionix: It still has to go through customs when it enters the country so they can screen it for drugs, or whatever |
| 01:07.39 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: obviously |
| 01:07.45 | ljp_laptop | :) ok. |
| 01:07.56 | Joelw | Unless they brought it over on an Indonesian boat in the middle of the night |
| 01:08.19 | ljp_laptop | I get to start about completely over getting things |
| 01:08.45 | chrionix | Joelw: Yeah, but what I'm saying is, say I had no idea I was being sent a parcel, customs pick it up, go through it, and then try to hit me up for gst even though I never knew it was coming. |
| 01:08.46 | dcarmich | anyone used the vnc server on the openzaurus feed? |
| 01:09.28 | ljp_laptop | hmm, hmmh hmm,... |
| 01:09.39 | Joelw | chrionix: Pretty much. You don't have to pay it if you don't want to, though. |
| 01:09.58 | Joelw | ie, if someone you don't know sends you something you don't want, you don't have to pay it :) |
| 01:10.07 | Joelw | Customs don't know if you were expecting it or not ;) |
| 01:10.47 | br33zy | d |
| 01:11.37 | ljp_laptop | stupid q. will I need a coat for brisbane? |
| 01:11.41 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 01:11.57 | chrionix | Joelw: But then obviously, I don't get the parcel if I refuse payment :P |
| 01:12.40 | Joelw | ljp_laptop: When are you going there? |
| 01:13.11 | ljp_laptop | as soon as my work visa gets approved, and trolltech sets up my plane ticket ;) |
| 01:13.20 | ljp_laptop | june, hopefully |
| 01:13.29 | Joelw | Take a raincoat :) |
| 01:13.44 | ljp_laptop | I know that. but does it get anywhere near cold? |
| 01:14.15 | Joelw | Depends on your definition of cold. |
| 01:14.24 | ljp_laptop | I'm from colorado, US |
| 01:14.36 | Joelw | I'm sure people there would be wearing jumpers in winter, but if you're from Colorado, you'll be in shorts. |
| 01:14.39 | chrionix | In brisbane? Nah, man, you'll love ... *he says snickering whilst the rain buckets down outside* |
| 01:14.58 | ljp_laptop | I like rain. I want surf girls... |
| 01:15.16 | chrionix | well, they tend to stay indoors during the wetter periods of the year |
| 01:15.25 | ljp_laptop | bah! |
| 01:15.28 | ljp_laptop | dang it |
| 01:15.49 | chouimat|bored | chrionix: so if I go there I will be naked in winter? |
| 01:15.53 | chrionix | But contrary to what you guys prolly hear over there, are beaches aren't crammed with beautiful ladies striking mouth watering poses |
| 01:15.59 | doughecka | never been there, but its got the cheapest housing around |
| 01:16.03 | chrionix | chouimat|bored: God I hope not |
| 01:16.13 | Joelw | chrionix: Yeah, I was pretty disappointed the first time I went to the Gold Coast :) |
| 01:16.14 | chouimat|bored | chrionix: I'm from Quebec City |
| 01:16.17 | ljp_laptop | chrionix: her eeither |
| 01:16.23 | ljp_laptop | here either, even |
| 01:16.25 | doughecka | eh? |
| 01:16.31 | ljp_laptop | hmm, |
| 01:16.33 | chrionix | Joelw: Yeah, it's not that flash :) |
| 01:16.48 | ljp_laptop | most cali beaches are full of beach whales |
| 01:17.04 | doughecka | dead? |
| 01:17.10 | Joelw | chrionix: Where in Queensland are you from? I found an awesome block of land on Mt. Tambourine that I want to buy and build a house on. |
| 01:17.13 | ljp_laptop | no, alive. drinking beers |
| 01:17.18 | br33zy | ljp_laptop: ive never seen that |
| 01:17.19 | doughecka | ljp_laptop: thought so |
| 01:17.23 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: exactly, there's the old women, the fat women, the sun-wrinkled women... |
| 01:17.42 | ljp_laptop | still, there _has_ to be a few nice ones |
| 01:18.03 | chrionix | Joelw: Nice, I'm in Brisbane atm. |
| 01:18.03 | doughecka | ljp_laptop: yea, tourists |
| 01:18.18 | chouimat|bored | ljp_laptop: tthe not-single type |
| 01:18.26 | Joelw | chrionix: Only the tourists are on the beach - everyone else has work to do :) |
| 01:18.30 | chrionix | Yeah, we do get a lot of scandinavian girls visiting :) |
| 01:18.43 | ljp_laptop | ooohhhhhh. fine! |
| 01:18.44 | chrionix | Joelw: Exactly |
| 01:19.09 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 01:19.22 | ljp_laptop | they are already filled with clothes and computer stuff |
| 01:19.36 | doughecka | dont you get dizzy from being upside down? |
| 01:19.46 | ljp_laptop | no, they walk on their hands |
| 01:19.51 | doughecka | ah |
| 01:19.54 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: You work for trolltech, what kinda work do you do man? |
| 01:20.10 | doughecka | trolls |
| 01:20.17 | ljp_laptop | I will.. my titl ewill be 'Qtopia Community Liason' new position there |
| 01:20.18 | doughecka | taste testing them |
| 01:20.24 | chouimat|bored | hmmmm get the design doc from an allready written apps sucks |
| 01:20.34 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: Sweet, wanna give me a job? :) |
| 01:20.42 | ljp_laptop | hehe, asl warwick |
| 01:20.47 | ljp_laptop | ask, even' |
| 01:20.56 | doughecka | ~seen warwick |
| 01:20.56 | | doughecka: i haven't seen 'warwick' |
| 01:21.15 | ljp_laptop | this waiting for the visa sucks though |
| 01:21.30 | chrionix | eww, I was going to say... I had hoped never to see the letters asl together ever again :) |
| 01:21.37 | doughecka | asl |
| 01:21.44 | chrionix | heh, thanks doughecka |
| 01:21.45 | ljp_laptop | I typo a lot |
| 01:21.53 | doughecka | asl asl asl asl |
| 01:22.23 | chrionix | Okay, I'm numbed by the pain now, you can stop.... please stop... my god why won't you stop? |
| 01:22.32 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:25.17 | chrionix | woohoo, I have got a connection going between the Z and the desktop. |
| 01:25.17 | ljp_laptop | how'd ya do that? |
| 01:25.17 | chrionix | now to figure out why it can't find the dns server. |
| 01:25.18 | chrionix | ljp_laptop: I'm not quite sure .... :) |
| 01:25.24 | *** join/#zaurus Pendalar_ (Pendalar@68.114.150.55) |
| 01:26.07 | br33zy | hey Pendalar_ |
| 01:26.26 | chrionix | I deleted the routes etc and started from scratch, and somewhere along the way, it must have fixed whatever I was doing wrong |
| 01:26.37 | ljp_laptop | cool |
| 01:26.55 | ljp_laptop | bbl |
| 01:26.58 | chrionix | yes :) I'm excited! |
| 01:27.03 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 01:27.05 | chrionix | see ya man |
| 01:27.09 | ljp_laptop | later.. |
| 01:36.29 | *** join/#zaurus Pendalar__ (Pendalar@68.114.150.55) |
| 01:49.59 | *** join/#zaurus ljp_laptop (~ljp@tz0166.peakpeak.com) |
| 01:51.13 | *** join/#zaurus Novas007 (~Bond@adsl-63-202-183-127.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 01:55.25 | *** join/#zaurus Bala (~Bala@hsdbsk142-165-147-157.sasknet.sk.ca) |
| 01:59.45 | *** join/#zaurus TheMasterMind1 (~aman@h-68-166-79-237.MCLNVA23.covad.net) |
| 02:01.08 | *** join/#zaurus raster (~raster@203.206.217.82) |
| 02:07.52 | dcarmich | got a new problem...SL5500 and Linux box are talking..but I set an appointment for 10AM CDT. |
| 02:07.58 | dcarmich | on Qtopia desktop 1.6.1...in the calendar it starts at 4AM CDT... |
| 02:08.02 | dcarmich | Time zone is the same (America/Chicago) on both sides... |
| 02:08.09 | dcarmich | what gives? |
| 02:17.42 | *** join/#zaurus djk (~djk@ool-44c14684.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:20.39 | chrionix | guys, A networking q for you, my ethernet network is 192.168.0.0, and my usb network is 192.168.129.0. Do I put the Z on the ethernet network so it can access the net? |
| 02:28.59 | chouimat | chrionix: no that wont work, just put iptable on your linux box and configure your router so I don't know 192.168.0.4 is the gateway for 192.168.1299.0 |
| 02:29.15 | dcarmich | chouimat>did you see my problem? |
| 02:29.52 | chouimat | dcarmich: don't know how to fix it |
| 02:30.31 | *** join/#zaurus BleedingE (whocares@saus04.usc.es) |
| 02:34.26 | chrionix | chouimat: so on the Z I would have an ip of 192.168.129.201 and a gateway of 192.168.0.4, and on the router my usb0 interface would have the ip 192.168.0.4 ? |
| 02:43.14 | *** join/#zaurus mewyn` (~mike@dsl081-228-057.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 02:54.02 | *** join/#zaurus SuKo|Shi (~sukoshi@dyn-81-166-37-103.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 02:54.22 | *** join/#zaurus SuKo|Shi (~sukoshi@dyn-81-166-37-103.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 02:54.58 | aTypical | chrionix: You on Linux or Windows? |
| 02:55.11 | chrionix | aTypical: Linux |
| 02:55.48 | chrionix | I've got the Z and linux talking on a seperate network, i.e. 192.168.129.0, but the Z can't reach the 192.168.0.0 net |
| 02:59.05 | *** join/#zaurus djk (~djk@ool-44c14684.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 03:03.43 | aTypical | There are two sites I found that helped me get it up and running. Here they are 1.http://www.frontgarden.net/~matthew/technical/zaurus/thoughts.html 2.http://www.ruault.com/Zaurus/ethernet-over-usb-howto.html#mdrk |
| 03:04.19 | aTypical | I read and tried and finally got it up and running. Then I quickly ran out and bought a CF NIC. |
| 03:07.21 | Bala | aTypical: I did the same.. excpt then i just went and bought a cheap usb cf reader.. i dont wanna browse the web on my Z if I can help it anywyas... :) |
| 03:09.58 | aTypical | Bala: I don't think I'll be browsing much either. But CompUSA had one on sale for $20 so I couldn't pass it up. |
| 03:10.21 | Bala | ah.. heh.. |
| 03:10.45 | fliplap | i browse on my Z all the time |
| 03:10.49 | fliplap | tho i have wireless |
| 03:11.23 | aTypical | fliplap: My school uses some proprietary cisco crap that would require a cisco card in order to access wireles. |
| 03:12.06 | fliplap | suck |
| 03:12.23 | fliplap | tho the cisco tech is pretty cool, i forget if its 802.1x |
| 03:12.54 | chouimat | hey fliplap |
| 03:13.14 | fliplap | sup |
| 03:13.38 | chouimat | fliplap: nothing drinking beer as usual |
| 03:13.54 | fliplap | word to beer |
| 03:14.04 | chouimat | ? |
| 03:14.24 | fliplap | beer is good |
| 03:14.43 | chouimat | fliplap: yup ... |
| 03:14.54 | fliplap | i'm deciding how i wanna cook this chicken now |
| 03:15.08 | chouimat | fliplap: bbq |
| 03:15.24 | fliplap | well, yeah, but deciding on the seasoning |
| 03:15.44 | chouimat | fliplap: mustardd? |
| 03:15.45 | fliplap | and actually, i'm broiling it |
| 03:16.04 | fliplap | i'm in arizona, its 8:15pm and its still 105 out |
| 03:16.18 | fliplap | maybe, like honey and mustard |
| 03:16.19 | chouimat | fliplap: just put some soy sauce and olive oil on it |
| 03:16.36 | chouimat | maybe with a honey |
| 03:16.40 | fliplap | yawn, boring |
| 03:17.18 | chouimat | shit it's 11:15pm here and I need to get a shower before Isabelle arrive |
| 03:17.29 | fliplap | i think i'll just go thru the pantry and see what i've got |
| 03:17.46 | chouimat | fliplap: curry :) |
| 03:24.17 | *** join/#zaurus Quantum (Quantum@000-162-484.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 03:26.18 | chrionix | whenever I try to edit my /etc/resolv.conf on the Z, it says it's busy. How do I make it un-busy? |
| 03:30.31 | *** join/#zaurus QuantumSpin (Quantum@000-162-484.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 03:35.15 | *** join/#zaurus hone (~hone@washdc3-ar8-4-62-075-095.washdc3.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 03:35.58 | hone | hello |
| 03:43.41 | chrionix | is there an insert key on the zaurus somewhere? I can't use vim :) |
| 03:44.22 | Bala | use the i key |
| 03:45.20 | hone | hey, can someone tell me about linux support on the zaurus, or sync'ng with it? |
| 03:46.09 | mutexer | it sucks :) |
| 03:46.45 | hone | mutexer: oh it does? |
| 03:46.49 | mutexer | its made to sync with windows I think |
| 03:46.52 | hone | mutexer: so it wouldn't be worth getting one? |
| 03:46.55 | hone | mutexer: yes it is |
| 03:46.58 | mutexer | you can sync with linux but it isnt trivial |
| 03:47.35 | mutexer | I never setup hotplug.. so I had to type so much crap everytime I wanted to sync |
| 03:48.42 | hone | hmm? |
| 03:48.49 | mutexer | if your experienced with windows its not that bad |
| 03:48.51 | mutexer | err |
| 03:48.52 | hone | so there's no way I could sync it with evolution |
| 03:48.56 | mutexer | if your experienced with linux its not that bad |
| 03:49.07 | hone | b/c that's what I was planning on using it with |
| 03:49.09 | mutexer | I dont know if you can sync with evolution or not |
| 03:49.15 | hone | what od you sync it with? |
| 03:49.22 | mutexer | you use Qtopia Desktop to sync |
| 03:49.42 | hone | qtopia desktop... |
| 03:50.01 | mutexer | I think thats the name of the program |
| 03:50.10 | hone | yeah |
| 03:50.12 | hone | I think so |
| 03:50.55 | *** join/#zaurus rovitotv (~rovitotv@dayoh-a126.gemair.com) |
| 03:52.37 | *** part/#zaurus djk (~djk@ool-44c14684.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 03:53.13 | *** join/#zaurus ljp_laptop (~ljp@tz0166.peakpeak.com) |
| 03:53.13 | hone | so what did you ahve to do to get your zaurus to sync |
| 03:55.39 | hone | and is there anyway to grab a version of qtopia for linux? |
| 03:56.26 | ljp_laptop | qtopia is on the zaurus |
| 03:56.53 | hone | oh |
| 03:57.02 | ljp_laptop | you mean qtopiadesktop? |
| 03:57.07 | hone | yeah |
| 03:57.17 | hone | well, I'm trying to decide if I want to buy a zaurus |
| 03:57.30 | *** join/#zaurus djk (~djk@ool-44c14684.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 03:57.49 | ljp_laptop | sharp just released a new rom, but hasnt released the qtopiadesktop for it yet |
| 03:59.01 | hone | that measn what..to me? |
| 03:59.58 | ljp_laptop | means if you buy a zaurus 5500, and want to update to the latest rom, you might have to wait to sync |
| 04:00.24 | hone | oh ok |
| 04:00.30 | hone | but can you tell me more about the linux support? |
| 04:01.24 | ljp_laptop | on which side? zaurus runs linux |
| 04:01.49 | ljp_laptop | most zaurus users here run linux on their desktops, I believe |
| 04:02.45 | hone | yeah, well the sync'ng part |
| 04:04.13 | ljp_laptop | sync works on linux. some people have some problems |
| 04:05.53 | hone | it only syncs w/ the qtopia desktop? |
| 04:08.13 | ljp_laptop | on linuxm yes. intelsync is for windows only |
| 04:08.26 | ljp_laptop | err maybe kitchensync works |
| 04:08.38 | hone | ?? |
| 04:09.07 | ljp_laptop | kitchensync |
| 04:09.12 | ljp_laptop | part of kde 3.1 |
| 04:09.24 | hone | hmm, I don't use kde.. |
| 04:11.23 | ljp_laptop | theres rsync |
| 04:11.32 | hone | rsync/ |
| 04:11.34 | ljp_laptop | probably a script somewhere |
| 04:12.01 | hone | hmm |
| 04:18.30 | *** join/#zaurus treke|laptop (~ggilbert@lsanca2-ar29-4-41-066-146.lsanca2.elnk.dsl.genuity.net) |
| 04:39.34 | *** join/#zaurus zap-zero (andi@2001:768:18ff:17:0:0:0:0) |
| 04:46.09 | hone | hey ljp_laptop what's the battery life like on your zaurus? |
| 04:46.42 | ljp_laptop | crappy |
| 04:46.44 | ljp_laptop | ;) |
| 04:46.51 | ljp_laptop | depends on what I do with it really |
| 04:47.09 | hone | it's crappy? |
| 04:47.20 | hone | do you know what the difference is b/t the 5600 and 5500 are? |
| 04:47.25 | hone | off the top of your head? |
| 04:47.36 | ljp_laptop | 5600 has better battery lofe |
| 04:47.38 | ljp_laptop | life |
| 04:48.17 | hone | isn't there a bunch of other stuff? |
| 04:49.24 | ljp_laptop | differnt ram |
| 04:49.55 | fliplap | different processor |
| 04:51.28 | hone | is it worth it? |
| 04:51.51 | ljp_laptop | different kung-fu |
| 04:52.27 | fliplap | no |
| 04:52.31 | *** join/#zaurus aTypical (~jriker@66-214-172-217.mpk-eres.charterpipeline.net) |
| 04:52.43 | fliplap | well, not to me anyway |
| 04:52.53 | hone | hmm |
| 04:53.11 | hone | you can use the zaurus as an ogg player I read somewhere |
| 04:53.40 | hone | thekompany was selling an ogg thing iirc |
| 04:54.02 | ljp_laptop | oz has 2 ogg players |
| 04:54.05 | ljp_laptop | for free |
| 04:54.18 | hone | cool |
| 04:58.00 | aTypical | How do you get the music onto the Z? |
| 04:59.19 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
| 04:59.48 | aTypical | night |
| 05:00.42 | *** join/#zaurus frankps (~frankps@12.80-202-161.nextgentel.com) |
| 05:10.45 | *** join/#zaurus rgrep (~purvis@ns1.nameserver.net.nz) |
| 05:15.01 | chrionix | guys, I finally get my zaurus connected to the net, and then it times out after 2 seconds, anyone else had this problem? |
| 05:15.39 | chrionix | using the usb cradle that is |
| 05:20.28 | *** join/#zaurus bugfixer (~bugfixer@42gis175.gulftel.com) |
| 05:23.08 | aTypical | chrionix: Not me. Sorry. |
| 05:27.41 | *** join/#zaurus Stryker_ (~chatzilla@h24-207-43-40.dlt.dccnet.com) |
| 05:28.21 | *** join/#zaurus bugfixer (~bugfixer@42gis175.gulftel.com) |
| 05:36.45 | *** join/#zaurus oGMo (~rpav@216.190.2.49) |
| 05:39.53 | fliplap | anyone know how long a 5500 battery will go for when playing a full motion divx5? |
| 05:40.08 | fliplap | at least 2-3 hours maybe? |
| 05:43.24 | treke|laptop | hour and a half |
| 05:43.42 | treke|laptop | maybe a bit longer |
| 05:43.44 | fliplap | hmm |
| 05:43.59 | fliplap | got a flight coming up on June 3rd |
| 05:44.09 | fliplap | don't think thats enough time to order a 2nd battery |
| 05:44.11 | treke|laptop | get a second battery |
| 05:44.43 | fliplap | thats a week away, i don't know of any retail outlets to pick up a zaurus battery at either |
| 05:53.45 | treke|laptop | you live near a staples? |
| 05:55.12 | fliplap | yeah |
| 05:55.17 | fliplap | they stock em? |
| 05:55.25 | treke|laptop | actually its office depot I'm thinking of |
| 05:55.34 | treke|laptop | but they had zaurus stuff out here |
| 05:55.44 | fliplap | those are nearby too |
| 05:55.50 | treke|laptop | try there |
| 05:55.56 | treke|laptop | They had z's in stock |
| 05:56.03 | fliplap | i checked thier site, didn't have anything |
| 05:56.03 | treke|laptop | and I could have sworn I saw a battery |
| 05:56.26 | fliplap | actually, staples has em |
| 05:56.40 | fliplap | on thier site, i dunno about in store |
| 05:56.44 | treke|laptop | i get them all consuded |
| 05:56.48 | treke|laptop | confused |
| 05:57.01 | treke|laptop | try ordering, they have a check stock thing, I think |
| 05:59.06 | fliplap | i'll go in there tomorrow, and office depot if they don't have em |
| 06:05.27 | *** join/#zaurus frankps (~fsilye@maccie.uio.no) |
| 06:05.29 | frankps | morning |
| 06:06.16 | *** join/#zaurus wyvern (~supergibs@dcn243-123.dcn.davis.ca.us) |
| 06:21.00 | *** join/#zaurus Novas007 (~Bond@adsl-63-202-183-127.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 06:21.54 | *** join/#zaurus Stryker (~caustin@h24-207-43-40.dlt.dccnet.com) |
| 06:29.45 | *** join/#zaurus nerdboy_ (~sarnold@arnolds.dhs.org) |
| 06:32.18 | *** join/#zaurus sigmounte (~sigmounte@x2000lille.net1.nerim.net) |
| 06:34.08 | *** join/#zaurus vadim (~user@62.117.68.2) |
| 07:03.20 | *** join/#zaurus chrionix (~chrionix@CPE-144-136-128-55.qld.bigpond.net.au) |
| 07:06.38 | chrionix | why are the rom updates on the myzaurus page for US only? |
| 07:11.31 | *** join/#zaurus mark (~mark@s.westcott.freeuk.com) |
| 07:25.10 | Joelw | They're only 5500 ROMs, aren't they? |
| 07:27.45 | *** join/#zaurus Trinity (~ast@Charybdis.suse.de) |
| 07:39.34 | *** part/#zaurus Trinity (~ast@Charybdis.suse.de) |
| 07:48.08 | *** join/#zaurus Fare (fare@samaris.tunes.org) |
| 08:01.51 | *** join/#zaurus oob (~oob@203-114-157-29-dsl.inspire.net.nz) |
| 08:03.32 | *** join/#zaurus mchang (~mchang@dsl254-013-015.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 08:15.51 | *** join/#zaurus cdm (~cdm@pcp01881145pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net) |
| 08:15.52 | cdm | evening. |
| 08:21.12 | cdm | lastspoke kergoth |
| 08:21.19 | cdm | !seen kergoth |
| 08:25.56 | subdue | ibot: kergoth |
| 08:25.57 | | well, kergoth is at kergoth@handhelds.org, or that openzaurus guy |
| 08:26.20 | *** join/#zaurus mithro (~tim@dsl1-83.gw1.adl1.airnet.com.au) |
| 08:26.22 | subdue | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 08:26.27 | | kergoth is currently on #zaurus (13h 4m 12s) #elinux (13h 4m 12s) #openembedded (13h 4m 12s). Has said a total of 66 messages. Is idling for 12h 58m 56s |
| 08:26.34 | subdue | there you go :) |
| 08:27.42 | *** part/#zaurus mchang (~mchang@dsl254-013-015.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 08:30.24 | cdm | ah, he must be done moving. |
| 08:35.51 | nerdboy_ | night |
| 08:41.00 | *** join/#zaurus buliwyf (~buliwyf@p508C43CD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 08:43.44 | *** join/#zaurus treke|home (~ggilbert@lsanca2-ar29-4-41-066-146.lsanca2.elnk.dsl.genuity.net) |
| 09:09.08 | *** join/#zaurus bugfixer (~bugfixer@42gis175.gulftel.com) |
| 09:13.28 | mark | ibot: ping www.google.com |
| 09:13.29 | | mark: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 09:14.21 | *** join/#zaurus wijnand (~noodle@alice.kabel.utwente.nl) |
| 09:14.32 | George`ZZZZZZzzz | moo |
| 09:14.51 | George- | george@lithium:~> ping www.google.com |
| 09:14.52 | George- | PING www.google.com (216.239.37.99) from 192.168.7.7 : 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 09:14.52 | George- | 64 bytes from 216.239.37.99: icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=96.032 msec |
| 09:14.52 | George- | 64 bytes from 216.239.37.99: icmp_seq=2 ttl=47 time=95.589 msec |
| 09:16.10 | wijnand | George-? |
| 09:17.01 | George- | mark wanted to ping www.google.com :) |
| 09:17.19 | wijnand | ah |
| 09:17.29 | wijnand | seemed kind of a pointless thing to do but ok :) |
| 09:27.32 | George- | <mark> ibot: ping www.google.com |
| 09:27.32 | George- | <ibot> mark: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 09:27.38 | George- | :) |
| 09:28.04 | wijnand | lol! |
| 09:36.11 | *** join/#zaurus Shdwdrgn (Picard@sourpuss.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:36.35 | *** join/#zaurus jshare_ (~trillian@dsl093-128-017.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:37.26 | *** join/#zaurus BleedingE (whocares@saus04.usc.es) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:37.30 | *** join/#zaurus yeiazel (~yeiazel@home.yeiazel.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:38.02 | *** join/#zaurus mspencer (spam@michael.mspencer.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:40.41 | wijnand | if one size of a brand of SD cards is listed as recommended on zaurus.knightfire.com does that mean other sizes are probably fine too? i want to get a 256 from Dane-Elec |
| 09:41.15 | George- | I have a 128MB Dane-Elec and it works fine. |
| 09:41.19 | George- | dunno about the 256 |
| 09:41.33 | Fare | memory cards are pretty standardized |
| 09:41.47 | Fare | unlike, say, wireless chipsets |
| 09:43.49 | wijnand | i'll just go order the 256 then |
| 09:44.12 | *** join/#zaurus cordless (~chatzilla@194.153.31.163) |
| 09:45.24 | George- | I want a microdrive |
| 09:45.43 | wijnand | arent they slow? |
| 09:45.51 | George- | ... |
| 09:45.57 | George- | they're like, the fastest |
| 09:46.01 | wijnand | i also believe the 1 gb dane-elec cf card is cheaper than the 1 gb microdrive |
| 09:46.02 | George- | they're faster than flash. |
| 09:46.09 | George- | I doubt it :P |
| 09:46.24 | *** join/#zaurus aveng0 (~david@ip248-172.ott.istop.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 09:46.37 | wijnand | i read something in a faq that if you had a md it could be slower *shrug* |
| 09:47.22 | crusher | It probably depends on the type of Flash card you are using, too |
| 09:47.48 | crusher | Microdrives will probably drain your battery, anyway |
| 09:48.15 | George- | crusher: :) |
| 09:49.40 | *** join/#zaurus sigmounte (~sigmounte@x2000lille.net1.nerim.net) |
| 09:49.57 | *** join/#zaurus bipolar (bflong@221seg-pc-6014-6.msns.flt.ptd.net) |
| 09:51.25 | wijnand | crusher: maybe im mistaken, its not the speed but the battery usage that was bad about them |
| 09:54.08 | crusher | hehe :) |
| 09:55.46 | Fare | if it's *over* the head, that's ok |
| 09:55.53 | wijnand | but the dane elec cf card is definitely cheaper |
| 09:55.54 | crusher | Still I wonder how the performance differs between a normal CF and a 'fast' CF card, and microdrives etc. However there will not be many people who are going to buy a lot of different memory modules to test them |
| 09:55.59 | wijnand | yeah i am a bit clumsy |
| 09:56.16 | Fare | darn, my alsa driver is stuck |
| 10:02.04 | wijnand | are SD cards so much more expensive than CF because of the Secure bit that I'm not going to use? |
| 10:02.22 | yeiazel | no |
| 10:02.33 | yeiazel | it's another technology |
| 10:02.42 | yeiazel | maybe because it's smaller... |
| 10:02.54 | wijnand | then why are SmartMedia so cheap? |
| 10:03.47 | wijnand | ahh well i might as well not wonder and just pay up :) |
| 10:04.09 | yeiazel | :) |
| 10:04.42 | crusher | SD must be licenced at sandisk i think |
| 10:05.02 | wijnand | yeiazel: do you happen to know whether asus cd wlan cards are supported? i havent seen them listed but for all i know it's just a different brand in disguise |
| 10:05.37 | yeiazel | dunno |
| 10:05.49 | wijnand | heh crusher the dane-elec sd-card is quite a lot cheaper than the sandisk one, so they're apparently not asking enough :P |
| 10:05.59 | crusher | :) |
| 10:06.25 | crusher | wijnand, the Pretec CF-wlan at www.pdaonline.nl works perfectly (and is not too expensive) |
| 10:07.01 | wijnand | crusher: the only one i've found in a local store is the asus... maybe i just have to search more :) |
| 10:07.13 | wijnand | or yeah order online |
| 10:07.37 | crusher | the pretec even says that it's for linux (zaurua) on the box |
| 10:07.45 | wijnand | ahh |
| 10:07.52 | wijnand | the asus is only 75 euro though |
| 10:08.05 | wijnand | lol, pretec cf radio? |
| 10:08.27 | crusher | if you really want useless stuff |
| 10:08.36 | wijnand | yeah i suppose |
| 10:09.29 | wijnand | crusher: i think 105 vs 75 is a big difference still, so i think ill try to figure out who asus licensed the thing from first |
| 10:10.10 | crusher | most wlan CF cards are PrismII chipsets |
| 10:10.18 | crusher | from memory i'd say the asus is too |
| 10:11.19 | wijnand | and they're supported? |
| 10:12.09 | crusher | prism2 should work yes, although you may need to edit some config files then |
| 10:12.17 | crusher | http://www.zauruszone.farplanet.net/wiki/index.php?WirelessCardSupport |
| 10:12.43 | crusher | looking at http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/Prism2Card i'd say the wl110 is prism2 |
| 10:12.58 | crusher | Ps: prism2.5 / prism3 is another story.... |
| 10:13.15 | crusher | ah, apparently that works too |
| 10:13.16 | crusher | :) |
| 10:13.16 | *** join/#zaurus tux_mike (~mike@dsl081-228-056.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:14.17 | wijnand | heh |
| 10:14.30 | wijnand | so another story with the same happy ending? :) |
| 10:14.46 | crusher | apparently:) |
| 10:16.08 | wijnand | Supported OS: Windows 98, ME, 2000, NT 4, XP, CE 3.0, Pocket PC 2002 and Linux |
| 10:16.12 | wijnand | that sounds promising |
| 10:16.23 | crusher | http://zaurus.help4free.de/html/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1736&forum=3#10493 <-- if your german is ok |
| 10:16.34 | crusher | someone says it works |
| 10:16.43 | wijnand | my Z is german, does that count? :P |
| 10:16.47 | crusher | hehe |
| 10:16.49 | crusher | mine is too |
| 10:17.18 | wijnand | from inmac by any chance? :) |
| 10:17.37 | crusher | nope, mobildirekt.com (ecron.de) |
| 10:18.06 | wijnand | they deliver here? |
| 10:18.59 | crusher | i had it delivered in .de since it was cheaper for me and easier. They deliver here if you pay in advance (and if you call them on the phone and ask, probably you can pay the mailman) |
| 10:19.17 | wijnand | rembours |
| 10:19.22 | crusher | check. |
| 10:19.29 | wijnand | is that 350 in or ex vat? |
| 10:19.35 | crusher | in |
| 10:19.39 | wijnand | damn! |
| 10:19.41 | wijnand | heh |
| 10:20.01 | wijnand | oh well |
| 10:20.09 | crusher | you've got one already |
| 10:20.14 | wijnand | yep |
| 10:20.21 | crusher | (how much was it there?) |
| 10:20.32 | wijnand | from the only dutch store that has them, for 399 |
| 10:20.55 | crusher | :) |
| 10:21.08 | crusher | for the same price i had an 128MB SD card with it:) |
| 10:21.35 | crusher | hey, it's cheaper now! |
| 10:21.42 | wijnand | it is in your best interest to not tell me this :P |
| 10:21.43 | crusher | hmm, ex vat i think? |
| 10:21.49 | crusher | sorry:) |
| 10:21.55 | wijnand | what is cheaper now? |
| 10:22.21 | crusher | no, i overlooked the 'ex 19% vat' |
| 10:22.24 | wijnand | hehe |
| 10:22.34 | wijnand | yeah at first i though 329 was nice too :P |
| 10:22.37 | crusher | the inmac-zaurus is windows-based, too |
| 10:23.16 | wijnand | if i understand correctly that is to be interpreted as it includes software to connect the thing to windows :) |
| 10:23.26 | crusher | ok:) |
| 10:24.23 | wijnand | i flashed it with OZ the moment i got it |
| 10:24.41 | wijnand | that is, i looked at QTopia, *then*... et |
| 10:24.42 | wijnand | c |
| 10:25.03 | crusher | i waited until the next day, because someone brought it over on an evening and i had no CF card:) |
| 10:25.46 | wijnand | heh i bought the cf card first :P |
| 10:26.46 | wijnand | i have to go now, back in an hour |
| 10:26.46 | *** join/#zaurus mark|gaim (~mark@s.westcott.freeuk.com) |
| 10:26.52 | mark|gaim | George-: could you ping that? |
| 10:27.08 | George- | ping what? |
| 10:27.25 | mark|gaim | fish.befishy.co.uk |
| 10:27.50 | George- | george@lithium:~> ping fish.befishy.co.uk |
| 10:27.50 | George- | PING befishy.co.uk (212.126.148.10) from 192.168.7.7 : 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 10:27.50 | George- | 64 bytes from s.westcott.freeuk.com (212.126.148.10): icmp_seq=1 ttl=254 time=160.232 msec |
| 10:28.12 | mark|gaim | cool |
| 10:29.44 | George- | I need a bigger hdd |
| 10:32.58 | mark|gaim | i need to be doing some work |
| 10:36.17 | mark|gaim | George-: do you know if the 760 is comming to the US? |
| 10:37.11 | George- | no idea |
| 10:41.19 | cordless | guys im having trouble flashing my new rom, iv done it lots of times before, but with the latest version of opie installed i get a green and oranged |
| 10:41.29 | cordless | led flashing and nothing more |
| 10:41.40 | George- | cordless: uhm |
| 10:41.50 | George- | cordless: that means that the initrd.bin is corrupted probably |
| 10:42.06 | cordless | oh! how do i fix that? |
| 10:42.21 | cordless | cos i would like to try the os from sharp, and i cant seem to flash it |
| 10:43.15 | cordless | further reading makes me think that i should install the upgrade ipk, but it cant find the flash image, |
| 10:43.25 | cordless | where should i put it so it can find it ? |
| 10:43.53 | George- | no idea |
| 10:44.39 | cordless | :-) good cos i was afraid i was doing something dum |
| 10:44.44 | cordless | :-) |
| 10:45.31 | *** join/#zaurus hugh (~hugh@blueball.mimosa.com) |
| 11:18.13 | chrionix | hey guys. |
| 11:18.36 | chrionix | Does the Zaurus just use the /etc/hosts file to determine it's own hostname? |
| 11:19.23 | yeiazel | /etc/hostname (at least with OZ) |
| 11:22.46 | chrionix | okay, thanks man, using the sharp rom atm, I wasn't sure, cause there wasn't a file already, but I'll see what happens if I chuck it in there. |
| 11:26.33 | *** join/#zaurus aphistic_ (yodatoad@207.250.124.137) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 11:37.00 | *** join/#zaurus willi (~willi@pD901012B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:37.34 | willi | hi guys, does anyone know the problem under opie that all network interfaces disappear ? |
| 11:42.35 | George- | this place is too dead without kergoth |
| 11:42.43 | George- | I wanna do some kergoth-baiting |
| 11:53.17 | *** join/#zaurus ljp_laptop (~ljp@206.168.3.148) |
| 12:23.11 | *** join/#zaurus Novas007 (~Bond@adsl-63-202-183-127.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 12:23.52 | George`NotHere | MOOOO |
| 12:43.46 | mark|gaim | George`NotHere: shut up |
| 12:43.48 | mark|gaim | :P |
| 12:45.10 | George`NotHere | mark|gaim: :) |
| 12:45.57 | wijnand | why would one set a hostname anyway? i haven't seen it show up anywhere so far |
| 13:04.41 | *** join/#zaurus pHluid (~phluid@rdu26-30-216.nc.rr.com) |
| 13:06.34 | wijnand | hi pHluid =) |
| 13:09.46 | *** join/#zaurus absentiaS (~scott@ip216-179-64-58.cust.bestweb.net) |
| 13:09.57 | *** part/#zaurus absentiaS (~scott@ip216-179-64-58.cust.bestweb.net) |
| 13:16.48 | *** join/#zaurus bipolar_ (bflong@221seg-pc-6014-6.msns.flt.ptd.net) |
| 13:31.46 | George`NotHere | where is kergoth these days? |
| 13:31.52 | George`NotHere | surely he's finished moving to texas? |
| 13:32.22 | doughecka | your not hear |
| 13:32.27 | doughecka | so we cant tell you |
| 13:32.31 | George- | lies |
| 13:45.24 | wijnand | i saw kergoth yesterday on here |
| 13:45.35 | doughecka | yea wonders in and out |
| 13:45.39 | wijnand | not speaking but still |
| 13:45.52 | *** join/#zaurus TheMasterMind1 (~aman@h-68-166-79-237.MCLNVA23.covad.net) |
| 13:45.55 | *** join/#zaurus fishy (~fishy@193618d8eb9c.ssl.walledcity.de) |
| 13:46.05 | doughecka | fishy and warmi |
| 13:53.42 | *** join/#zaurus _fishy (~fishy@193618d8eb9c.ssl.walledcity.de) |
| 14:01.44 | doguheckaaaaaaaa | walled city... odd |
| 14:02.02 | *** join/#zaurus DrBoB (~DrBoB@max01-sc-38.sc.anc.net) |
| 14:02.53 | mspencer | ah, that would qualify as "other priorities" :) |
| 14:03.42 | *** join/#zaurus fishy814 (~fishy@193618d8eb9c.ssl.walledcity.de) |
| 14:03.58 | *** part/#zaurus DrBoB (~DrBoB@max01-sc-38.sc.anc.net) |
| 14:09.18 | George- | will someone buy me that ibm watch? |
| 14:09.23 | George- | ;) |
| 14:09.25 | hardwire | yes |
| 14:10.31 | George- | cool |
| 14:10.39 | *** join/#zaurus doguheckaaaaaaaa (WOZNIAK@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 14:10.59 | George- | oh dear |
| 14:19.52 | *** join/#zaurus sieve (~klu5ter@12.148.134.9) |
| 14:21.08 | *** join/#zaurus fusion94 (~fusion94@adsl-64-171-167-106.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 14:21.29 | *** join/#zaurus treke|home (~ggilbert@lsanca2-ar29-4-41-066-146.lsanca2.elnk.dsl.genuity.net) |
| 14:26.06 | doguheckaaaaaaaa | whats sound in/out on the zaurus in /dev? |
| 14:47.25 | *** join/#zaurus aTypical (~aTypical@66-214-172-217.mpk-eres.charterpipeline.net) |
| 14:55.15 | TheMasterMind1 | dsp |
| 14:55.53 | doguheckaaaaaaaa | its the same? |
| 14:56.49 | *** join/#zaurus Pendalar___ (Pendalar@68.114.150.55) |
| 14:59.34 | *** part/#zaurus kergoth (~chrisl@proxyle02.ext.ti.com) |
| 14:59.40 | *** join/#zaurus kergoth (~chrisl@proxyle02.ext.ti.com) |
| 14:59.40 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 14:59.59 | *** join/#zaurus drakx (~drakx@203.87.132.164) |
| 15:06.19 | *** join/#zaurus pH1uid (~phluid@rdu26-30-216.nc.rr.com) |
| 15:09.35 | *** join/#zaurus MacGyver (~MacGyver@218-170-172-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net) |
| 15:09.56 | *** join/#zaurus pHluid- (~phluid@rdu26-30-216.nc.rr.com) |
| 15:12.30 | doguheckaaaaaaaa | you can stop that now :P |
| 15:12.57 | pHluid | meh |
| 15:13.03 | pHluid | you don't like it, call roadrunner for me |
| 15:13.09 | pHluid | I've been on them for a year and a half about it |
| 15:13.23 | pHluid | 164 opened complaint tickets to date |
| 15:13.35 | pHluid | they'll send out some jackass tech |
| 15:13.43 | pHluid | who plugs his little meter into the cable |
| 15:13.47 | pHluid | and says "LOOKS GOOD TO ME!" |
| 15:13.49 | pHluid | and tries to leave |
| 15:13.52 | pHluid | so I tackle his ass |
| 15:13.54 | doguheckaaaaaaaa | haa |
| 15:13.56 | pHluid | drag him back |
| 15:14.02 | pHluid | put his silly little meter on there |
| 15:14.04 | pHluid | and sure enough |
| 15:14.09 | pHluid | SNR jumps WAY the fuck up |
| 15:14.13 | doguheckaaaaaaaa | lol |
| 15:14.23 | pHluid | SO he's all "hrm hrm, OH OH, MUST BE A BAD GROUNDING BLOCK!" |
| 15:14.26 | pHluid | And I'm like |
| 15:14.35 | pHluid | "you've replaced the grounding block 4 times now." |
| 15:14.39 | pHluid | and he's all |
| 15:14.49 | pHluid | "OH OH, MUST BE A LOOSE CONNECTION ON THE POLE!" |
| 15:14.52 | pHluid | and i'm like |
| 15:15.01 | pHluid | "you've fixed the goddamn pole 3 times, too." |
| 15:15.05 | pHluid | and he's all |
| 15:15.14 | pHluid | "OH OH, LEAVE ME ALONE WITH IT FOR A BIT, I'LL FIX IT, YESSIR!" |
| 15:15.16 | pHluid | SO I do |
| 15:15.20 | pHluid | The fucker sneaks out the back |
| 15:15.23 | pHluid | I come back |
| 15:15.29 | pHluid | everything looks OK for like 10 minutes |
| 15:15.32 | pHluid | then it drops again. |
| 15:15.35 | doguheckaaaaaaaa | hah |
| 15:15.37 | doguheckaaaaaaaa | sue them |
| 15:15.37 | doguheckaaaaaaaa | :P |
| 15:18.29 | TheMasterMind1 | pHluid: who's the chick? |
| 15:18.38 | pHluid | my girlfriend |
| 15:18.49 | doguheckaaaaaaaa | what? |
| 15:18.50 | doguheckaaaaaaaa | where? |
| 15:18.52 | doguheckaaaaaaaa | who? |
| 15:19.11 | pHluid | http://home.nc.rr.com/phluid/kathie/ |
| 15:19.28 | doguheckaaaaaaaa | lol |
| 15:26.37 | *** join/#zaurus warmi (~a3c01504@dsl092-131-081.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 15:26.54 | kergoth | hey warmi |
| 15:27.15 | warmi | hi |
| 15:27.19 | warmi | how's your new job ? |
| 15:27.35 | warmi | still in process of figuring out what the hell is going on in that place ? |
| 15:27.36 | warmi | hehe |
| 15:32.58 | kergoth | i'm sitting in tim riker's cube muttering to myself |
| 15:33.10 | kergoth | since i dont have a badge, a cubicle, a computer, or anything else yet |
| 15:33.10 | kergoth | heheh |
| 15:33.19 | treke | hehe |
| 15:35.44 | warmi | well, however nasty that cube might be at least nobody will call you there for support |
| 15:35.55 | warmi | so I guess that chapter of your life is behind you now :-) |
| 15:40.38 | *** join/#zaurus jaku (~jkau@host129-77.pool81115.interbusiness.it) |
| 15:40.43 | *** part/#zaurus jaku (~jkau@host129-77.pool81115.interbusiness.it) |
| 15:40.56 | *** join/#zaurus fishy210 (~fishy@193618d8eb9c.ssl.walledcity.de) |
| 15:47.22 | *** join/#zaurus kergoth (~chrisl@proxyle01.ext.ti.com) |
| 15:48.42 | chouimat | morning |
| 15:48.50 | George- | heya kergoth |
| 15:51.21 | Pendalar___ | kegoth so you could steal a bunch of stuff and run.. wuahaha |
| 15:51.30 | Pendalar___ | ^r |
| 15:51.45 | Pendalar___ | what is up with this add a _ ever so many hours? ugh |
| 16:00.00 | George- | warmi: a "george impersonator"? |
| 16:00.21 | George- | warmi: no one can be as good as the real thing |
| 16:00.22 | George- | :) |
| 16:00.30 | kergoth | s/good/annoying/ |
| 16:00.35 | George- | hahaha |
| 16:00.42 | George- | kergoth: how's it going? |
| 16:00.59 | chouimat | George-: go back to school |
| 16:01.04 | George- | chouimat: bah |
| 16:01.49 | George- | ;) |
| 16:02.14 | George- | kergoth: is it a known bug that the headphone detection code in the recent kernels for collie totally sucks? |
| 16:02.56 | doguheckaaaaaaaa | no, its supposed to be in there to annoy people like George- |
| 16:03.12 | George- | doguheckaaaaaaaa: hrmm |
| 16:03.22 | George- | it doesn't detect ;) |
| 16:03.39 | doguheckaaaaaaaa | bummer |
| 16:03.54 | George- | doguheckaaaaaaaa: why do you have such a retarded nick? |
| 16:04.06 | George- | is it just me, or is everyone ignoring me? :P |
| 16:04.09 | treke | kergoth: trheadphone detection code? |
| 16:04.14 | treke | er George- |
| 16:05.38 | George- | treke: yeh, to decide whether to output sound to the headphones or the buzzer |
| 16:05.52 | doughecka_______ | is ther such a thing |
| 16:05.57 | doughecka_______ | only xmms did it |
| 16:06.11 | George- | is it xmms specific? |
| 16:06.15 | George- | I only use xmms |
| 16:06.52 | *** join/#zaurus NeoTron (~neotron@12-206-70-34.client.attbi.com) |
| 16:06.52 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o NeoTron] by ChanServ |
| 16:07.00 | George- | heya Neo |
| 16:09.52 | NeoTron | hey |
| 16:09.53 | NeoTron | and bye |
| 16:11.00 | George- | hmm |
| 16:37.51 | mark|gaim | hi chouimat |
| 16:42.46 | *** join/#zaurus nerdboy_ (~sarnold@arnolds.dhs.org) |
| 16:52.20 | *** join/#zaurus oGMo (~rpav@208.187.159.8) |
| 16:56.54 | *** join/#zaurus frankps (~fsilye@12.80-202-161.nextgentel.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 16:56.57 | frankps | re |
| 16:57.39 | Wintre | Rere |
| 16:57.45 | Wintre | How's Qtopia for you, frank? |
| 16:58.09 | frankps | Nice |
| 16:59.00 | hardwire | BE FRANK |
| 16:59.13 | dougheckaa | hey hardwire |
| 16:59.20 | hardwire | eep |
| 16:59.23 | frankps | hi hardwire |
| 16:59.26 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 17:10.28 | *** join/#zaurus djr|w_ (~dj@lsanca1-ar2-4-60-005-209.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 17:11.04 | *** join/#zaurus untorn (~chatzilla@6532160hfc103.tampabay.rr.com) |
| 17:31.52 | cdm | morning. |
| 17:32.35 | fliplap | \\' |
| 17:33.11 | chouimat|busy | hi cdm |
| 17:33.42 | kergoth | hey cdm |
| 17:34.32 | hardwire | murph |
| 17:34.34 | George- | <mighty3k> Anyone who is using Xfree86 under x11? |
| 17:34.36 | George- | wth |
| 17:34.39 | George- | idiot |
| 17:34.40 | George- | IDIOT! |
| 17:34.53 | cdm | kergoth: You working at TI today or still in-move? |
| 17:35.39 | kergoth | at TI, not really working though, dont have a cubicle or a computer yet |
| 17:36.21 | fliplap | my kind of working |
| 17:36.47 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o kergoth] by ChanServ |
| 17:36.56 | dougheckaa | op me! :P |
| 17:36.59 | treke | so its a lot like being at digi? |
| 17:37.13 | kergoth | except i had a desk and a computer, and idiots on the phone |
| 17:37.21 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 17:37.45 | treke | you need a laptop :p |
| 17:38.24 | cdm | kergoth: What are you typing on? :) |
| 17:39.06 | uncon | kergoth: you're in dallas now? |
| 17:41.46 | Twiun | ibot: seen sniper |
| 17:41.46 | | sniper <~dni@62.162.102.13> was last seen on IRC in channel #opie, 2d 7h 26m 14s ago, saying: 'or it is skimed-down?'. |
| 17:42.16 | kergoth | cdm: tim riker's box in his cube :) |
| 17:42.19 | kergoth | uncon: yeah |
| 17:42.25 | kergoth | treke: no kidding |
| 17:42.41 | cdm | kergoth: muhaha... |
| 17:42.44 | treke | and mozilla needs a new fscking cvs server |
| 17:43.15 | cdm | kergoth: So did you guys mod the flash drive to run-thru and unlock all the sectors each time? I assume that is what was giving you trouble when you where first re-doing the code. |
| 17:44.37 | mark|gaim | kergoth: can I have a ti85? |
| 17:45.20 | kergoth | cdm: yup, exactly |
| 17:45.41 | kergoth | cdm: when i switched to the driver that used cfi to pick up the chips, i had forgotten the unlocking |
| 17:46.15 | TheMasterMind1 | i want intel to release their goddamn centrino drivers so i can buy a centrino laptop |
| 17:47.08 | cdm | kergoth: Yeah, and the bloddy sharp chips use SRAM to hold the lock bits. ;) |
| 17:47.19 | cdm | kergoth: So you have to unlock on every "boot". |
| 17:47.56 | cdm | have to use our flashctl utility to unlock no. |
| 17:56.43 | *** join/#zaurus XavierXeon (~mr_x@pD9E1E70E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:59.12 | George- | kergoth: don't worry about not having idiots on the phone anymore, I'll replace them :P |
| 18:02.10 | *** join/#zaurus Pendalar___ (Pendalar@68.114.150.55) |
| 18:06.24 | *** join/#zaurus tboc (~tboc@pD9EAE978.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:06.30 | tboc | hi |
| 18:21.17 | *** join/#zaurus TimRiker (~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com) |
| 18:21.18 | *** mode/#zaurus [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 18:22.02 | George- | hi TimRiker |
| 18:28.30 | Neo|Work | man, feels like I left half my brain at home today |
| 18:28.48 | Neo|Work | I'm sick (cold etc) and slept like 2 hrs (real sleep) |
| 18:28.52 | Neo|Work | bleh |
| 18:29.02 | warmi | hah |
| 18:29.31 | warmi | Neo|Work: I got myself Toshiba e330 and man , it is like 3 times slower than my ipaq 3850 |
| 18:29.40 | warmi | I wonder if your AXim is just as slow being Xscale device etc |
| 18:33.05 | cdm | warmi: Of course, it is one of the 200Mhz PXA's right? |
| 18:33.29 | warmi | 300 Mhz |
| 18:33.40 | warmi | yeah, but it is someting with video memory or something |
| 18:34.05 | warmi | it is not just CPU |
| 18:34.15 | warmi | CPU itself is not 3 times slower than 200 MHZ Arm |
| 18:34.38 | warmi | for one, it uses mediaq graphic accelerator which might be the culprit |
| 18:35.21 | warmi | the video memory is most likely under control of that mediaq chip and perhaps accesing with CPU is slow .. something like that |
| 18:36.37 | *** join/#zaurus mattcamp (matt@ip68-102-57-32.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 18:36.53 | mattcamp | Is there any documentation explaining the /sbin/launch program in the Sharp ROM? |
| 18:39.17 | *** join/#zaurus jbwiv (~jb@66-23-197-142.clients.speedfactory.net) |
| 18:43.49 | Neo|Work | warmi: odd |
| 18:44.58 | warmi | yeah, acording to Mutexer his Axim gets 70 fps on GapiDraw demo .. my Toshiba gets 50 and ipaq 3850 gets whopping 160 |
| 18:45.13 | warmi | XScale devices are just messed up |
| 18:45.46 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 18:45.50 | Neo|Work | except PXA-255 |
| 18:45.58 | Neo|Work | which seems very promising |
| 18:46.11 | Neo|Work | wonder how fast the TI OMAP's are |
| 18:46.18 | *** join/#zaurus aldjiblah (~aldjiblah@ti211310a081-6369.bb.online.no) |
| 18:46.22 | warmi | yeah, but what really suprises me is that the CPU itself is not that much slower than ARM 206 |
| 18:46.37 | warmi | it has to be a combination of graphic/memory subsystem |
| 18:46.43 | *** join/#zaurus zimon (~zimon@216-73-109-110.ocdc-01.net) |
| 18:48.01 | warmi | I had to redesign ZRaid yesterday to accomodate slow ass XScale devices |
| 18:48.03 | cdm | and PXA260. |
| 18:48.04 | warmi | it sucks |
| 18:48.10 | cdm | and the IXP series. |
| 18:48.17 | cdm | warmi: slow ass PXA250's. |
| 18:48.22 | cdm | warmi: Xscale itself is not slow. |
| 18:48.27 | TheMasterMind1 | wha.. pxa260 already? |
| 18:49.20 | warmi | cdm: yeah, but just about ever Xscale based device sold to date was busted so .. you know , it is Xscale as far as I am concerned :-) |
| 18:49.23 | cdm | warmi: and at 300Mhz, a PXA250 will perform far, FAR worse for doing things like writes to the framebuffer. At best it will perform at the level of a 150Mhz-ish SA1110. But for writes it will stink. |
| 18:49.37 | warmi | cdm: why ? |
| 18:49.53 | warmi | it is not even framebuffer .. just writing to system memory stinks as well |
| 18:49.56 | cdm | warmi: there is a bug in the cache controler, so you have to turn off the write-back cache. No nice bursts into DRAM. |
| 18:50.04 | cdm | warmi: Same thing. |
| 18:50.09 | cdm | warmi: framebuffers are just in DRAM. |
| 18:50.17 | warmi | yeah, well - uncached |
| 18:50.32 | mattcamp | What's the easiest way to set up the SL-5500 so I can log into it from my Linux box and get to the shell? |
| 18:50.34 | warmi | which means there is absolutely no penalty for writing /reading framebuffer memory on XScale devices |
| 18:50.42 | Neo|Work | I still don't get why everyone jumped on the xscale bandwagon prematurely |
| 18:50.44 | mattcamp | I'm still using the Sharp ROM, because I don't yet have what I need to flash a new ROM. |
| 18:50.49 | warmi | compared to system memory, that is |
| 18:50.50 | Neo|Work | I mean, they do truely stink for most applications |
| 18:51.14 | warmi | mattcamp: I just telnet in |
| 18:51.27 | mattcamp | Does the Sharp ROM have telnetd running by default? |
| 18:51.28 | cdm | warmi: true. |
| 18:51.29 | warmi | but I have an older ROM so perhaps in the latest rom that won't work |
| 18:51.42 | cdm | warmi: still just brutal that you have to turn of the write-back cache for normal writes. |
| 18:52.03 | cdm | which is where the performance suffers. And that isn't actually part of the XScale part of the chip. |
| 18:52.11 | warmi | mattcamp: no , use http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=165 |
| 18:52.18 | cdm | since the PXA2xx is really a SOC. |
| 18:52.28 | TheMasterMind1 | anyone actually tested a pxa255 yet? is it better than the chip in the 5500? |
| 18:52.36 | warmi | cdm: so this is a bug in interface between XScale and memory ? |
| 18:52.52 | cdm | warmi: Yeah, the cache co-processor. |
| 18:53.06 | cdm | so really a bug between it and memory. |
| 18:53.15 | TheMasterMind1 | cdm: thats fixed with the pxa255 though right? |
| 18:53.22 | cdm | TheMasterMind1: yes. |
| 18:53.26 | warmi | that mediaq chip does indeed speed up GDI operations but it is useless for framebuffer games (99% of games) |
| 18:53.52 | kergoth | I wish ati was more open about the imageon |
| 18:53.52 | kergoth | bastards |
| 18:53.53 | mattcamp | warmi: Is that another software package you have to install? |
| 18:54.15 | warmi | mattcamp: that's just a nice applet that let you easily (using GUI) turn telnet deamon on/off |
| 18:54.27 | TheMasterMind1 | alright, screw it. i'm getting a c750 from brando |
| 18:54.48 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: brando cuttin you a deal, or just goin w/ normal cost? and how much? |
| 18:55.11 | warmi | cdm: the funny thing is that even writing to framebuffer memory (which was always uncached) on ipaq ARM is much faster than it is on XScale devices |
| 18:55.23 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: $525 + $45 shipping (fedex) |
| 18:55.24 | warmi | so it is more than just disabled cache |
| 18:55.28 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: normal price i think |
| 18:55.33 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: not bad |
| 18:55.36 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: indeed |
| 18:55.44 | kergoth | those units are black, eh? |
| 18:55.51 | treke | kergoth: black and white |
| 18:55.51 | TheMasterMind1 | conics with 10 group buy is $550 + $19 shipping |
| 18:55.54 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yea, thats what i hate |
| 18:55.58 | TheMasterMind1 | everything else is great |
| 18:56.02 | TheMasterMind1 | just the damn color |
| 18:56.08 | cdm | warmi: yeah, but who knows the side effect of turning off the write-back cache "in general" without having the internals of both chips. |
| 18:56.10 | kergoth | I wouldve liked the 5500 in black |
| 18:56.16 | kergoth | but the c700 has this really sleek feel |
| 18:56.26 | kergoth | in silver |
| 18:56.26 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:56.29 | cdm | warmi: For example, it is very likly they have made optimizations that assume the write-back would be functioning. |
| 18:56.47 | warmi | cdm: is there anything that can be done about it in software ? |
| 18:56.50 | cdm | warmi: nope. |
| 18:57.05 | cdm | warmi: Only thing you can do is turn it off. |
| 18:57.14 | TheMasterMind1 | all black would be cool, all silver is cool |
| 18:57.17 | TheMasterMind1 | but black+silver sucks |
| 18:57.24 | mattcamp | warmi: For most users, your suggestion would work fine. But I'm visually impaired, and the screen is too small for me to read. But once I can telnet in from my LInux box, I can get some ocmmand-line stuff working with a speech synthesizer. So the trick is to get the Zaurus set up so I can telnet in. |
| 18:57.27 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: agreed |
| 18:57.34 | jbwiv | anyone gotten feeds to work under Sharp rom 3.10? |
| 18:57.43 | mattcamp | I don't know, maybe I'll just have to get a CF card and something for the PC tha tcan write to it, and replace the ROM. |
| 18:58.25 | pHluid | mattcamp: Um. No offense, but the Zaurus screen is too small for you to read? Why did you purchase it, then...? |
| 18:58.42 | TheMasterMind1 | the c760 is thicker too with its bigger battery, and no doubt heavier |
| 18:59.01 | warmi | mattcamp: well, that is what I was saying .. this applet let you turn on the telnet so you can telnet in from outside ... you have to do this on device itself (either using comand line or that applet) before you can telnet in from the desktop machine |
| 19:00.25 | *** join/#zaurus fliplap (~flip@ip68-2-123-238.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 19:07.39 | George- | kergoth: btw - laptop broken again :) |
| 19:08.11 | George- | kergoth: if you see anyone thinking of getting a mac, tell them apple's services suck |
| 19:08.52 | kergoth | will do |
| 19:08.57 | George- | :) |
| 19:09.08 | George- | kergoth: hence it's in repair for a 4th time. |
| 19:09.37 | cdm | George-: what do you have? |
| 19:09.41 | treke | George-: stop breaking it |
| 19:10.10 | George- | cdm: PowerBook G4 667MHz Rev B |
| 19:10.19 | George- | treke: nah, last repair replaced my combo drive with a faulty one |
| 19:10.42 | George- | treke: and replaced my casing (which includes switching the speakers) with a casing that had a busted right speaker |
| 19:11.00 | George- | treke: previous time they replaced my combo drive with one that wouldn't eject and kept jamming... |
| 19:11.17 | George- | treke: time before that they busted my combo drive for the first time and trashed my battery |
| 19:12.31 | *** join/#zaurus QuantumSpin (Quantum@000-158-635.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 19:13.07 | cdm | George-: applecare USA? |
| 19:19.24 | George- | cdm: UK |
| 19:19.29 | cdm | ah |
| 19:19.42 | fliplap | yeah, i wish they would just ship me the parts and let me do it |
| 19:19.54 | cdm | very fast, very good work. |
| 19:20.14 | kergoth | hm |
| 19:20.26 | kergoth | what BT cell phones are sold in the US atm? |
| 19:21.11 | fliplap | i'm going with sprint in a month or so here |
| 19:21.26 | fliplap | unlimited data and all |
| 19:21.46 | kergoth | i have sprint atm, havent decided if ill keep em |
| 19:21.51 | kergoth | my contract finally ended |
| 19:22.07 | fliplap | plus they've got cheap phones |
| 19:22.14 | fliplap | i want a java phone |
| 19:22.40 | fliplap | mkay, off to staples in search of Z battery |
| 19:22.59 | pHluid | At Staples? good luck |
| 19:23.28 | fliplap | out of all the office/electronics stores i've looked at, they're the only one with the Z battery on thier website |
| 19:24.22 | fliplap | have any suggestions where i might be able to pick one up? |
| 19:24.26 | pHluid | Neither of the local stores here care anything related to the Z |
| 19:24.28 | fliplap | without ordering online |
| 19:24.35 | pHluid | *carries |
| 19:25.55 | fliplap | they list them as deliverable within 3-5 days, and on thier website they claim that time frame means they're within 20 miles of my area code |
| 19:29.22 | gaurdian | anyone know of a good stock monitoring program for the Z ? |
| 19:30.06 | gaurdian | I assume lak of answer is a no then..ok |
| 19:30.07 | fliplap | Call 1-800-3STAPLE and hit 3 for product info, if you listen carefully you can hear a couple girls giggling in the background |
| 19:30.13 | fliplap | professional |
| 19:30.43 | *** join/#zaurus Pendalar___ (Pendalar@68.114.150.55) |
| 19:31.36 | *** join/#zaurus DemisRoussos (~sukoshi@dyn-81-166-37-103.ppp.tiscali.fr) |
| 19:36.22 | TheMasterMind1 | fliplap: heh |
| 19:37.01 | fliplap | hrm, i wonder if batteries+ would have them |
| 19:43.20 | uncon | kergoth? |
| 19:43.24 | kergoth | uncon? |
| 19:43.36 | uncon | welcome to dallas... |
| 19:43.43 | kergoth | thanks |
| 19:43.47 | kergoth | i've only gotten lost 12 times so far |
| 19:43.50 | kergoth | :D |
| 19:44.01 | treke | fliplap: none available locally? |
| 19:44.02 | uncon | heh, yeah... downtown is horrid |
| 19:44.10 | fliplap | treke: guess not |
| 19:44.27 | fliplap | treke: they say 1 business day to get it delivered, dunno if i believe that |
| 19:44.28 | cdm | bbiab |
| 19:44.30 | *** part/#zaurus cdm (~cdm@pcp01881145pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net) |
| 19:45.18 | uncon | kergoth, do you actually live in dallas, or a suburb? |
| 19:47.07 | *** join/#zaurus Pacopacop (Nodonthave@128-193-124-167.dynamic.oregonstate.edu) |
| 19:49.30 | *** join/#zaurus zimon (~zimon@216-73-109-110.ocdc-01.net) |
| 19:49.46 | kergoth | uncon: pretty sure its dallas proper, though up in the northeast. i'm near where 635 & 75 intersect. fuckload of road construction around there. |
| 19:50.40 | chouimat | kergoth: I'm really pissed off today ... I justt learned that I won't probably have an appartment next july :( |
| 19:50.42 | uncon | kergoth, that's cool.. i'm actualy living in irving. |
| 19:50.55 | kergoth | chouimat: ouch |
| 19:51.20 | chouimat | kergoth: yup I need a job!!!!!!! </asking on knees> |
| 19:51.40 | kergoth | hey dont ask me man, unless you want to work tech support at digi in frigid minnesota |
| 19:51.43 | kergoth | :P |
| 19:52.15 | chouimat | kergoth: minnesota ... they have computer there |
| 20:03.43 | George- | kergoth: happy to be out of tech support I take it? :) |
| 20:05.09 | George- | ibot pester kergoth |
| 20:05.11 | | kergoth: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? |
| 20:06.06 | George- | ibot annoy kergoth |
| 20:06.07 | | kergoth: where's the 'any' key?!?!?! where's the frickin' 'any' key?!?!?! |
| 20:06.50 | oGMo | i recommend you hush before i get all ides of march on your ass |
| 20:07.00 | George- | ? |
| 20:08.25 | Wintre | Bahah |
| 20:17.36 | wijnand | Weird experience! I had a little bug wandering around on my Z's screen but under the plastic layer that you tip on! Freaky! |
| 20:22.50 | *** join/#zaurus fishy (~fishy@193618d8eb9c.ssl.walledcity.de) |
| 20:22.50 | *** join/#zaurus Wintre (mike@pavonis.waspfactory.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:23.54 | nofpu | windy |
| 20:23.57 | *** join/#zaurus DemisRoussos (~sukoshi@dyn-81-166-37-103.ppp.tiscali.fr) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:23.57 | *** join/#zaurus QuantumSpin (Quantum@000-158-635.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 20:23.57 | *** join/#zaurus jbwiv (~jb@66-23-197-142.clients.speedfactory.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:23.57 | *** join/#zaurus frankps (~fsilye@12.80-202-161.nextgentel.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:23.57 | *** join/#zaurus MacGyver (~MacGyver@218-170-172-37.HINET-IP.hinet.net) |
| 20:23.57 | *** join/#zaurus mark|gaim (~mark@s.westcott.freeuk.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:23.57 | *** join/#zaurus jshare_ (~trillian@dsl093-128-017.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:23.57 | *** join/#zaurus Shdwdrgn (Picard@sourpuss.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:23.57 | *** join/#zaurus wyvern (~supergibs@dcn243-123.dcn.davis.ca.us) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:23.57 | *** join/#zaurus treke|laptop (~ggilbert@lsanca2-ar29-4-41-066-146.lsanca2.elnk.dsl.genuity.net) |
| 20:23.57 | *** join/#zaurus redtoade (~redtoade@acs-24-154-250-143.zoominternet.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:23.57 | *** join/#zaurus Twiun[afk] (~twiun@adorphuye.com) |
| 20:23.58 | *** join/#zaurus chouimat|bored (~dieu@modemcable120.184-130-66.que.mc.videotron.ca) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:23.58 | *** join/#zaurus Linux (user@Q8Linux.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:23.58 | *** join/#zaurus CdtDelta (~CdtDelta@dsl081-225-161.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:23.58 | *** join/#zaurus zoid (zoid@nr9-216-68-182-108.fuse.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:23.58 | *** join/#zaurus Joelw (~joel@punz.budgetbitumen.com.au) |
| 20:23.58 | *** join/#zaurus codehog (~sarnold@arnolds.dhs.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:23.58 | *** join/#zaurus uncon (~uncon@crtntx1-ar3-4-62-089-095.crtntx1.dsl-verizon.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 20:29.58 | *** join/#zaurus mutexer (tnspock@adsl-34-169-3.mem.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:36.26 | *** join/#zaurus Taim (~taim@12-203-162-46.client.attbi.com) |
| 20:49.46 | *** join/#zaurus zimon (~zimon@216-73-109-110.ocdc-01.net) |
| 20:52.33 | *** join/#zaurus treke|home (~ggilbert@lsanca2-ar29-4-41-066-146.lsanca2.elnk.dsl.genuity.net) |
| 20:53.57 | *** join/#zaurus nofpu (~matthew@host217-41-42-5.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 21:02.57 | George- | I feel like annoying someone |
| 21:02.59 | George- | I'm bored. |
| 21:04.34 | treke|home | call TI |
| 21:04.46 | *** join/#zaurus TheMasterMind1 (~aman@h-68-166-69-184.MCLNVA23.covad.net) |
| 21:09.08 | mark|gaim | George-: yeh go on |
| 21:09.31 | George- | mark|gaim: blah |
| 21:15.15 | treke|home | morning mark |
| 21:15.46 | treke|home | mark|gaim: I've got knights already was trying to build a gcc3 version |
| 21:15.55 | treke|home | is it still selling? |
| 21:16.01 | *** join/#zaurus treke|ho1e (~ggilbert@lsanca2-ar29-4-41-066-146.lsanca2.elnk.dsl.genuity.net) |
| 21:16.25 | *** join/#zaurus treke|ho1e (~ggilbert@lsanca2-ar29-4-41-066-146.lsanca2.elnk.dsl.genuity.net) |
| 21:22.34 | *** join/#zaurus sub_away (chopstix@239manoa.inets.com) |
| 21:26.12 | *** join/#zaurus zimon (~zimon@216-73-109-110.ocdc-01.net) |
| 21:53.13 | jbwiv | anyone know of a feed specifically for the sharp 3.10 rom? the old feeds don't seem to be working for me :( |
| 21:57.49 | *** join/#zaurus br33zy (~br33zy@dt0f7n86.san.rr.com) |
| 22:03.08 | *** join/#zaurus Fastolfe (~askme@212.180.113.40) |
| 22:04.01 | kergoth | Fastolfe. |
| 22:04.06 | kergoth | how's life been treatin ya? |
| 22:04.08 | Fastolfe | hey kergoth |
| 22:04.12 | Fastolfe | okay I guess, you ? |
| 22:04.59 | kergoth | quite good, no longer in tech support, so thats cause enough for celebration |
| 22:05.13 | Fastolfe | you got that right |
| 22:05.19 | Fastolfe | support sux |
| 22:05.23 | Fastolfe | been there done that |
| 22:05.48 | Fastolfe | hey kergoth, was it you or ljp who wanted my old X11 zaurus archives ? |
| 22:06.33 | chouimat|bored | ~lart ipsec vpn |
| 22:07.27 | *** join/#zaurus adamios (~iMach@81.5.150.144) |
| 22:08.07 | kergoth | Fastolfe: probably ljp. OZ has folks maintaining the X support packages nowadays, so i dont need it |
| 22:08.39 | G`Sleeping | hrmm, while kergoth's idling-king, I might be able to overtake him in the stats |
| 22:08.41 | Fastolfe | oic. I'll get in touch with him then. thx |
| 22:09.17 | G`Sleeping | then again, he *has* said about 400000 more words than me. |
| 22:10.07 | G`Sleeping | kergoth: yeh, well.. :P |
| 22:12.29 | mark|gaim | kergoth: so does george- |
| 22:13.50 | G`Sleeping | mark|gaim: bah, shut up :P |
| 22:13.59 | *** join/#zaurus johaBBa (~johabba@208-59-106-172.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com) |
| 22:14.15 | G`Sleeping | mark|gaim: I don't type 400,000 words in 1/2 year tqvm :) |
| 22:14.25 | G`Sleeping | mark|gaim: then again, I'm still in the top 20 and I'm not here most of the time. |
| 22:14.37 | johaBBa | where would i go to build apps for the SharpROM? |
| 22:14.59 | G`Sleeping | kergoth: btw - what do you think of the new SL-C7x0? |
| 22:15.15 | *** part/#zaurus adamios (~iMach@81.5.150.144) |
| 22:16.03 | G`Sleeping | kergoth: and another thing, here's a pic of me looking like a complete idiot: http://zorian.ath.cx/images/me-looking-like-an-idiot.jpg |
| 22:16.08 | G`Sleeping | kergoth: take the piss all you want :) |
| 22:16.28 | *** join/#zaurus mithro (~tim@dsl1-83.gw1.adl1.airnet.com.au) |
| 22:17.26 | *** join/#zaurus adamios (~iMach@81.5.150.144) |
| 22:17.43 | chouimat|bored | G`Sleeping: wow |
| 22:18.03 | G`Sleeping | yeh, I look stupid don't I? :) |
| 22:19.05 | chouimat|bored | G`Sleeping: like a nice bboy going to a social activity :) |
| 22:19.15 | G`Sleeping | bleh |
| 22:19.19 | G`Sleeping | that's my school uniform. |
| 22:19.29 | chouimat|bored | G`Sleeping: you are kidding me |
| 22:19.40 | G`Sleeping | one of them. |
| 22:19.42 | G`Sleeping | I have two uniforms |
| 22:19.45 | G`Sleeping | the weekday one |
| 22:19.49 | G`Sleeping | and the sunday dress |
| 22:19.52 | G`Sleeping | that's my sunday dress |
| 22:20.47 | chouimat|bored | G`Sleeping: ouch ... look last week I was wearing a suite to fix a server room ::( |
| 22:21.00 | G`Sleeping | chouimat|bored: that's not a suit :P |
| 22:21.03 | G`Sleeping | chouimat|bored: that's a tailcoat |
| 22:21.17 | chouimat|bored | G`Sleeping: I know but that completely stupid |
| 22:21.55 | G`Sleeping | and before you ask, my right side is sagging cause my wallet was in my right pocket |
| 22:22.01 | G`Sleeping | and it was pulling the right side down |
| 22:22.01 | G`Sleeping | heh |
| 22:24.12 | chouimat|bored | G`Sleeping: http://ulyx.homeunix.net:12000/photo.jpg |
| 22:25.36 | *** join/#zaurus nerdboy__ (~sarnold@arnolds.dhs.org) |
| 22:26.42 | chouimat|bored | G`Sleeping: I prefer that one: http://ulyx.homeunix.net:12000/annmae.jpg |
| 22:26.59 | *** join/#zaurus ljp_laptop (~ljp@206.168.3.149) |
| 22:27.09 | doughecka | hahhha |
| 22:27.20 | chouimat|bored | doughecka: which one? |
| 22:27.32 | doughecka | georges one |
| 22:27.33 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:27.59 | doughecka | idiot? |
| 22:28.09 | doughecka | looks better than his PJs |
| 22:28.10 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:28.20 | chouimat|bored | doughecka: ? |
| 22:28.30 | doughecka | his photo of him in s suit |
| 22:29.18 | ljp_laptop | hmm fasolfe was here, again. hmmmm |
| 22:29.22 | ljp_laptop | fastolfe |
| 22:29.23 | G`Sleeping | IT'S NOT A SUIT. |
| 22:29.44 | doughecka | what is it? |
| 22:31.31 | *** join/#zaurus pHluid\SI (~phluid@rdu57-208-100.nc.rr.com) |
| 22:31.37 | G`Sleeping | doughecka: tails. |
| 22:31.55 | pHluid\SI | heads |
| 22:32.06 | doughecka | guts |
| 22:32.07 | G`Sleeping | ... |
| 22:32.10 | G`Sleeping | nads |
| 22:34.29 | *** join/#zaurus chrionix (~chrionix@CPE-144-136-128-55.qld.bigpond.net.au) |
| 22:43.38 | *** join/#zaurus fishy (~fishy@193618d8eb9c.ssl.walledcity.de) |
| 22:43.39 | *** join/#zaurus Wintre (mike@pavonis.waspfactory.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 22:52.28 | *** join/#zaurus zimon (~zimon@216-73-109-110.ocdc-01.net) |
| 22:53.18 | zimon | has anyone got wellenreiter 2 to run on the sharp rom? |
| 22:57.04 | G`Sleeping | That might be nice, but OpenZaurus doesn't even give you the source. Notice their download page [openzaurus.org] has binary images, but no source (which is against GPL [gnu.org]). Elsewhere, there are instructions [openzaurus.org] to get the "buildroot", which is not source code (according to the definitions [gnu.org] in the GNU GPL). Instead, it is patches which could possibly be applied to 3rd party packages to create the source code. |
| 22:57.07 | G`Sleeping | Quoted from /. |
| 22:57.50 | chouimat|bored | kergoth: we need to put the source on openzaurus.org |
| 22:58.34 | ljp_laptop | source? |
| 22:58.57 | ljp_laptop | it grabs the source from the source. |
| 22:59.21 | ljp_laptop | all you have to do is tell people wher eto get the frickin source |
| 22:59.29 | mspencer | and the source gets it from the keymaker. |
| 22:59.33 | ljp_laptop | they make no changes to it |
| 23:00.03 | ljp_laptop | not everyone on /. has a brain, ya know |
| 23:00.23 | G`Sleeping | ljp_laptop: I never said they did :) |
| 23:00.40 | mspencer | besides, /. users probably aren't the copyright holders of any of the software being used. They have no rights to protect. |
| 23:00.44 | ljp_laptop | :). ok. just checkin |
| 23:00.50 | chouimat|bored | yay! the vpn works |
| 23:01.47 | *** join/#zaurus cdm (~cdm@pcp01881145pcs.sandia01.nm.comcast.net) |
| 23:01.50 | cdm | evening. |
| 23:02.00 | G`Sleeping | yo |
| 23:06.40 | kergoth | mspencer: I have been emailed by someone at gnu.org regarding gpl compliance |
| 23:06.53 | cdm | kergoth: you are kidding? |
| 23:06.58 | cdm | honestly, it wasn't me. ;) |
| 23:07.41 | G`Sleeping | kergoth: you have?!?!? |
| 23:08.31 | cdm | but it doesn't surprise me. |
| 23:11.37 | ljp_laptop | heh. all th egpl says is you have to tell people where to get the source |
| 23:11.50 | ljp_laptop | doesnt say _you_ have to host it |
| 23:12.15 | mspencer | does it say 'distribute'? |
| 23:13.00 | mspencer | what happens if the source you link updates their packages, doesn't save the old version, and thus doesn't offer a copy of the source you used to build your executable? |
| 23:13.38 | cdm | exactly. |
| 23:13.41 | mspencer | I'm not sticking around for the answer -- don't want to get too deep in this discussion, so just call that some food for thought :) |
| 23:13.53 | cdm | ljp_laptop: well, actually is says you have to provide the source. |
| 23:13.59 | cdm | how it is provided depends. |
| 23:14.02 | ljp_laptop | well, then the original site would also be in noncomplience |
| 23:14.24 | G`Sleeping | arggh, let's not all turn into mini-RMS's ok? |
| 23:14.38 | ljp_laptop | no one is doing that |
| 23:14.56 | *** join/#zaurus pHluid (~phluid@rdu26-30-216.nc.rr.com) |
| 23:15.05 | cdm | ljp_laptop: As I mentioned the other day, they have forced a guy in england to stop providing nice pre-built gcc's for the coldfire line of processors due to the griping. It was pissing him off. |
| 23:15.06 | mspencer | what if the original site is no-longer distributing that version of the binary? |
| 23:15.09 | ljp_laptop | I'm just saying you do not have to host the source, simply provide the url |
| 23:15.24 | cdm | ljp_laptop: but it is your job to ensure that if that URL breaks other options are found. |
| 23:15.40 | cdm | ljp_laptop: and since you have to be able to always provide the source, if you don't have the source you could get in trouble. |
| 23:15.52 | ljp_laptop | bah |
| 23:16.02 | cdm | ljp_laptop: Which is why we (QNX) have an internal CVS repository where everything we port/provide in our repositories is maintained. |
| 23:16.34 | G`Sleeping | IT'S GNU/LINUX!!! IT'S GNU/LINUX!!! IT'S GNU/LINUX!!! |
| 23:16.37 | cdm | it sucks, but those are the terms. |
| 23:16.37 | G`Sleeping | </rms-mode> |
| 23:16.47 | mspencer | it's not our rear ends on the line for violation of copyright infringement laws. Just bring it up and leave it at that. If nobody wants to take anybody's advice then that's not our fault. |
| 23:16.50 | cdm | G`Sleeping: hahaha...I agree. That is why I won't use the GPL. |
| 23:17.04 | G`Sleeping | cdm: :-D |
| 23:17.14 | G`Sleeping | cdm: the GPL is nice idea, it's just that RMS is a complete asshole |
| 23:17.37 | ljp_laptop | show me where it states you need to host the source? |
| 23:17.43 | mspencer | I don't care what you call Linux, but I do know that someone could be found guilty of direct copyright infringement and be asked to pay damages if they don't comply with the GPL. |
| 23:18.05 | cdm | ljp_laptop: It says you have to provide it. You can do that in any form you require, and you have 30(?) days to do it after a request. |
| 23:18.06 | G`Sleeping | mspencer: yes, but in practice, is that ever going to happen? :) |
| 23:18.21 | mspencer | maybe. [05/28 18:07] <@kergoth> mspencer: I have been emailed by someone at gnu.org regarding gpl compliance |
| 23:18.41 | ljp_laptop | no it doesnt, not if you do not modify it |
| 23:18.43 | G`Sleeping | yes, but they're not going to file a lawsuit. |
| 23:18.51 | mspencer | is that what the email said? |
| 23:18.57 | cdm | ljp_laptop: the issue is if you can't provide the source due to the fact that the people you used to link to stopped providing it, it is your ass on the line. |
| 23:19.19 | G`Sleeping | mspencer: stop trolling, open source hippies aren't anal enough to take someone to court because they aren't hosting the source on their own server. |
| 23:19.29 | G`Sleeping | stop spread FUD. |
| 23:19.37 | G`Sleeping | s/spread/spreading/ |
| 23:19.39 | mspencer | the bigger issue might be that sometimes people are stubborn, and all you can do is give them advice and leave the rest up to our justice department. |
| 23:20.10 | ljp_laptop | well, if the sourcfe isnt available, then openzaurus isnt going to be providing it either |
| 23:20.37 | G`Sleeping | mspencer: you're still blowing it completely out of proportion |
| 23:20.37 | mspencer | I don't believe you when you say I should stop trolling and/or spreading FUD. I don't think I started. |
| 23:20.48 | treke | just upload the fucking source to my webserver and be done with it |
| 23:20.55 | cdm | ljp_laptop: section 3 covers it very well. |
| 23:20.57 | G`Sleeping | treke: ;) |
| 23:21.04 | treke | G`Sleeping: and you shut up |
| 23:21.13 | G`Sleeping | yes daddy. |
| 23:21.21 | mspencer | that was annoying :) |
| 23:21.36 | cdm | You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under |
| 23:21.36 | cdm | Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections |
| 23:21.37 | cdm | 1 and 2 above prov |
| 23:21.38 | cdm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.43 | mspencer | anyway, what were the rest of us talking about? :) |
| 23:21.44 | ljp_laptop | If distribution of executable or object code is made by offering |
| 23:21.45 | ljp_laptop | access to copy from a designated place, then offering equivalent |
| 23:21.45 | ljp_laptop | access to copy the source code from the same place counts as |
| 23:21.45 | ljp_laptop | distribution of the source code, |
| 23:21.47 | cdm | that section. |
| 23:22.06 | mspencer | sounds like everybody's points are made. Thanks for the info ljp_laptop :) |
| 23:22.19 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 23:22.24 | kergoth | ljp_laptop: yes, but if upstream yanks the version of the source that corresponds to binaries we still distribute, it no longer counts as distribution |
| 23:22.32 | kergoth | we definately need to mirror upstream sources |
| 23:22.39 | cdm | kergoth: exactly. |
| 23:22.44 | mspencer | THat doesn't make ljp_laptop wrong, btw, it just means it's good to have another plan. You're both right. |
| 23:22.52 | cdm | that is all I have ever been saying. |
| 23:22.56 | cdm | you have to cover your ass. ;) |
| 23:23.01 | ljp_laptop | if I was in the mood I am in, and got an email like that I would have replied, "so sue me" |
| 23:23.12 | mspencer | and while I know "you're both right" is a very trollish thing to say...^____^ |
| 23:23.20 | *** join/#zaurus djk (~djk@ool-44c14684.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:23.34 | mspencer | that comment (trolling, FUD) was funny :) |
| 23:23.42 | G`Sleeping | mspencer: :) |
| 23:24.17 | cdm | http://www.opensource.org/licenses/zlib-license.php |
| 23:24.21 | cdm | so easy to understand. |
| 23:25.18 | G`Sleeping | ljp_laptop: do you know about the Apple so sue me story? |
| 23:25.44 | *** join/#zaurus SirPsycho-home (~sirpsycho@adsl-64-219-221-140.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 23:26.14 | G`Sleeping | ljp_laptop: because a music artist had the trademark for the word Apple, they said Apple could only use it if their computers had nothing to do with music. So all the sounds on the mac were sounds, but the only piece of music was a chord called "sosumi" ;) |
| 23:26.34 | ljp_laptop | yes, I know |
| 23:26.50 | cdm | that is funny. |
| 23:27.00 | chouimat|bored | cdm: very nice licence |
| 23:27.08 | cdm | chouimat|bored: it's my favorite. |
| 23:27.23 | chouimat|bored | cdm: I like bsd too |
| 23:27.37 | cdm | chouimat|bored: yep. Too much text still compared to zlib. |
| 23:28.04 | G`Sleeping | what really pisses me off is when retards say "you can't copyright stuff! you need to take it to a copyright office!" |
| 23:28.10 | G`Sleeping | "shut the fuck up you idiot" |
| 23:28.19 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 23:28.22 | chouimat|bored | G`Sleeping: go back to sleep |
| 23:28.23 | cdm | hahahaha...the mighty invisible copyright office. |
| 23:28.27 | ljp_laptop | I just copyrighted a ;) |
| 23:28.28 | G`Sleeping | cdm: yeh |
| 23:28.32 | G`Sleeping | ljp_laptop: :) |
| 23:28.40 | G`Sleeping | chouimat|bored: go back to the shadow from whence you came! |
| 23:28.43 | ljp_laptop | hey! you are suing my copyright! |
| 23:28.48 | ljp_laptop | are using |
| 23:28.53 | ljp_laptop | bleh |
| 23:28.54 | G`Sleeping | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.56 | G`Sleeping | oh dear! |
| 23:29.23 | G`Sleeping | bleh is copyright (C) 2003 george wright |
| 23:30.05 | ljp_laptop | crap |
| 23:30.14 | G`Sleeping | bleh |
| 23:30.16 | ljp_laptop | oh well. sue me |
| 23:30.25 | G`Sleeping | nah |
| 23:30.29 | G`Sleeping | I can't be bothered ;) |
| 23:31.01 | ljp_laptop | bleh |
| 23:31.07 | ljp_laptop | bleh bleh bleh |
| 23:31.18 | G`Sleeping | I swear, the next person that says to me at school that I can't copyright my code and that I must first get it validated at a non-existant copyright office will have his face punched in |
| 23:32.26 | ljp_laptop | depends on what country you are in |
| 23:32.56 | G`Sleeping | UK |
| 23:33.05 | ljp_laptop | wow, TT spending a lot for my visa |
| 23:33.31 | ljp_laptop | dunno about UK, but US says its copyrighted when you write it |
| 23:33.57 | G`Sleeping | ljp_laptop: intellectual property? |
| 23:34.07 | chouimat|bored | ljp_laptop: ? |
| 23:34.11 | ljp_laptop | copyright |
| 23:34.21 | ljp_laptop | not patents |
| 23:34.23 | chouimat|bored | ljp_laptop: no visa thing |
| 23:34.38 | ljp_laptop | still waiting..... |
| 23:39.46 | ljp_laptop | and waiting..... |
| 23:40.04 | ljp_laptop | better not take 16 weeks, man |
| 23:40.11 | chouimat|bored | ljp_laptop: I finish the contract I'm doing an off |
| 23:40.22 | G`Sleeping | ljp_laptop: that's how long my laptop's been in repair (approximate value, give or a take a week) |
| 23:40.41 | ljp_laptop | akk |
| 23:40.58 | ljp_laptop | I need to get to work, damn it! |
| 23:40.58 | G`Sleeping | actually, I think it's only about 12 weeks |
| 23:41.58 | ljp_laptop | i should call the au consulate here in colorado |
