| 00:00.13 | alexw | Yeah: I can imagine |
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| 00:05.25 | chouimat|tv | with that air conditioner we are wasting more energy than Ricky Martin's Girlfreind |
| 00:05.25 | chouimat|tv | --- |
| 00:05.25 | chouimat|tv | Groundkeeper Willy |
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| 00:28.44 | chouimat|tv | hey ljp_laptop |
| 00:30.31 | chouimat|tv | Do you get bored to wait around for your things to become obsolete... yes then buy a computer |
| 00:31.28 | alexw | heh, error 104: find_me not found |
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| 00:32.16 | ljp_laptop | huh? |
| 00:32.47 | chouimat|tv | ljp_laptop: ? |
| 00:33.09 | alexw | [01:30:05] Signoff: find_me (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) <_ struck me as amusing |
| 00:34.10 | ljp_laptop | ?? |
| 00:35.16 | alexw | I was just making a lame joke, really it wasn't worth all this |
| 00:36.25 | alexw | anyway, time for bed. Night y'all. |
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| 01:20.40 | cdm | anyone know off the top of thier head what flash device is in the Zaurus? |
| 01:20.42 | chouimat|tv | http://www.createafart.com/wav/0911.wav http://www.createafart.com/wav/0413.wav |
| 01:21.44 | cdm | found it. |
| 01:22.35 | cdm | maybe. |
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| 01:23.01 | TheMasterMind1 | cdm: that one.. |
| 01:23.03 | TheMasterMind1 | no wait, that one |
| 01:25.49 | doughecka | chouimat|tv: ... |
| 01:26.50 | cdm | thanks. ;) |
| 01:27.15 | chouimat|tv | doughecka: I have too much free time :) |
| 01:27.27 | doughecka | I can see that :) |
| 01:27.36 | chouimat|tv | doughecka: http://wwww.createafart.com <--- a lot of fun :) |
| 01:27.43 | doughecka | yea... |
| 01:27.59 | doughecka | slashdot.org <-- a lot of fun :) |
| 01:29.42 | chouimat|tv | doughecka: :) |
| 01:30.32 | chouimat|tv | doughecka: I'm downloading some of those sounds to put them for event like "finished compilation" etc ... |
| 01:30.38 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:30.50 | doughecka | you have mail! |
| 01:31.13 | chouimat|tv | doughecka: yup ... |
| 01:31.36 | ljp_laptop | I do? |
| 01:32.11 | chouimat|tv | ljp_laptop: ? |
| 01:32.14 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:33.15 | ljp_laptop | hmm.. you must be a spammer, cause all I see is spam |
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| 01:33.31 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:34.44 | chouimat|tv | ~lart doughecka |
| 01:34.56 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:35.01 | doughecka | I live in louisville |
| 01:35.08 | doughecka | how come it allways does it for me |
| 01:35.09 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:35.26 | fdask | anyone know if T-Mobile exists in canada? |
| 01:36.01 | doughecka | is this a trick question? |
| 01:36.30 | fdask | no |
| 01:36.35 | fdask | but i think i found the answer. |
| 01:36.37 | doughecka | then I dont know :) |
| 01:36.43 | doughecka | the answer is 42 |
| 01:36.48 | fdask | t-mobile.net doesn't have canada listed. :[ |
| 01:37.09 | doughecka | t-mobile.ca.nt or somethin :) |
| 01:37.10 | fdask | now how am i gonna get inet on my zaurus from select starbucks locations?! |
| 01:37.21 | doughecka | c-mobile |
| 01:37.22 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:37.30 | fdask | kismet-mobile |
| 01:37.31 | fdask | :) |
| 01:37.57 | doughecka | heh |
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| 01:38.14 | aTypical | Hello all |
| 01:38.25 | doughecka | ur so a typical |
| 01:38.50 | aTypical | doughecka: Damn straight! |
| 01:40.34 | ljp_laptop | which is it? are you straight or atypical? |
| 01:42.16 | aTypical | I am definitely straight but mentally atypical. |
| 01:43.37 | aTypical | doughecka: Does all three mean that your gay, straight and a democrat? |
| 01:46.28 | chouimat|afk | aTypical: a straight gay????? |
| 01:46.49 | aTypical | chouimat|afk: (s)he said all three. |
| 01:47.21 | aTypical | **Dumb Question Alert ** |
| 01:47.32 | aTypical | How do I get the OZ images on to my CF card? |
| 01:47.42 | treke|home | with a compact flash reader |
| 01:47.52 | duplexer | or mine |
| 01:48.01 | chouimat | aTypical: by coping the image on the cf |
| 01:48.37 | aTypical | OK. Do I have to have a CF reader or is there some way I can transfer them directly to the Zaurus? |
| 01:49.05 | treke|home | you can transfer them to the zaurus and put them onto a CF card from there |
| 01:49.42 | aTypical | treke|home: That's what I was hoping. |
| 01:49.49 | treke|home | aTypical: then do it |
| 01:49.53 | ljp_laptop | or, you can assemble one from assembler |
| 01:50.08 | ljp_laptop | grab yer emacs and start coding asm! |
| 01:50.14 | aTypical | treke|home: If I knew how I would have done it without bothering you nice people. :) |
| 01:50.27 | ljp_laptop | nice?! ha! |
| 01:50.37 | treke|home | ljp_laptop: how little he knows us |
| 01:50.49 | ljp_laptop | true |
| 01:51.00 | aTypical | That's also true as I just got my Zaurus and found this place. |
| 01:52.13 | chouimat | hmmm 21h51 and I didn't eat yet .... damned computer! |
| 01:53.59 | ljp_laptop | oh bummer |
| 01:54.18 | ljp_laptop | now we'll have to find another place to hang out |
| 01:54.54 | aTypical | That's not nice |
| 01:55.40 | ljp_laptop | :D |
| 01:55.40 | ljp_laptop | oh, its not? |
| 01:56.42 | ljp_laptop | so, how do you like your zaurus? |
| 01:57.24 | aTypical | So far it's great. Although I really haven't had that much of a chance to play with it. |
| 01:59.21 | chouimat | ljp_laptop: give him a chance he can't be as bad^H^H^Hannoying as George- |
| 01:59.46 | ljp_laptop | have you flashed the new 3.1 rom? |
| 01:59.47 | doughecka | ROAR^H^H^H^Hmeow |
| 02:02.17 | aTypical | I seem to be having problems getting my device to connect with the desktop. Anyone using their Zaurus on WinXP? |
| 02:03.21 | duplexer | XP? |
| 02:05.30 | aTypical | ljp_laptop: I just bought my CF card so I can try that but first I have to find out how to get the files onto the Zaurus. |
| 02:08.25 | ljp_laptop | what rom version is on it? |
| 02:08.46 | aTypical | ljp_laptop: 2.38 |
| 02:11.25 | ljp_laptop | not to sounds discouraging, but I coul dnever connect that version |
| 02:12.09 | aTypical | lol\ |
| 02:12.15 | aTypical | That'd be just my luck. |
| 02:13.27 | ljp_laptop | I know it can be done though |
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| 02:13.59 | ljp_laptop | I didnt try too hard |
| 02:29.34 | Quantum | Has anyone here tried OZ on a SL-C7xx |
| 02:38.51 | fdask | aTypical, i use xp |
| 02:38.53 | fdask | but with 3.10 |
| 02:39.05 | fdask | doesn't 2.38 come with an ftp client runnin? |
| 02:45.25 | ljp_laptop | I believe so, port 4242 |
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| 02:53.35 | mewyn` | foo |
| 02:57.43 | chouimat|Zzzz | night |
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| 03:10.57 | chrionix | guys, I'm intending to buy a zaurus either tomorrow or the day after. I've been reading some bad reviews on /. I do a bit of perl coding, and also java coding. Is the pda any good for these applications? |
| 03:15.14 | fliplap | chouimat|Zzzz: for perl and java developement? no |
| 03:15.33 | Quantum | I am no expert but (I am soon to get one also)... I know it supports both |
| 03:16.00 | Quantum | I think the rest of the crew is either away or in a far out time zone sleeping |
| 03:16.10 | fliplap | well, you can install perl and it comes with a jvm |
| 03:16.25 | fliplap | but it doesn't come with a jdk, and i don't know if there's one available |
| 03:16.31 | Quantum | You don't wan't to do coding but code browsing would look OK |
| 03:16.50 | fliplap | i code c and scheme on mine |
| 03:16.51 | Quantum | I am looking at getting a SL-C760 when it comes out in japan. |
| 03:16.55 | fliplap | but thats about it |
| 03:17.16 | Quantum | 640x480 will more justice than 240x320 |
| 03:17.32 | Quantum | the keypad is much easier to |
| 03:19.04 | Quantum | has anyone here looked at OpenZaurus on the japanese SL-Cxx models (I want to know if the 760 model is compatable or will be :) |
| 03:20.16 | chrionix | Quantum : why would I not want to do coding on it? |
| 03:20.28 | chrionix | That's the whole reason I intend to buy one. |
| 03:21.20 | Quantum | I would recomend something more substantial (that is if these are real world applications). The Sony PCG-U101 is more sub... |
| 03:25.00 | treke|home | Quantum: the C700 and 5500 and 5000d are supported |
| 03:25.12 | treke|home | Quantum: Others depend on people being willing to do the work on the ports |
| 03:35.48 | TheMasterMind1 | i think imma get a c750 |
| 03:36.17 | Quantum | I would work on the port if I had the right know how (I have never ported the Linux kernel or any sub systems) |
| 03:37.11 | treke|home | There is no porting needed. |
| 03:37.24 | treke|home | at least kernel wise |
| 03:37.25 | Quantum | the large memory on the C760 would be nice for mobile compiling when you get those Weird insights in your code at the oddest moments ;) |
| 03:37.56 | Quantum | So the slightly new memory bus speed and cache system on the PXA 255 is not a prob? |
| 03:38.06 | treke|home | Most of whats involved is testing the various patches applied, to the kernel. |
| 03:38.17 | Quantum | Hey I can do that |
| 03:38.21 | treke|home | The kernel code itself is already written |
| 03:38.27 | Quantum | where would I get started |
| 03:38.35 | treke|home | ibot oz-buildroot |
| 03:38.35 | | treke|home: i don't know |
| 03:38.40 | treke|home | ibot ozbuildroot |
| 03:38.41 | | treke|home: are you using Windows? |
| 03:38.43 | treke|home | ibot oz buildroot |
| 03:38.43 | | extra, extra, read all about it, oz bk is bk clone bk://openzaurus.bkbits.net/buildroot buildroot-oz; cd buildroot-oz; bk -r co -q; cp def-configs/collie-opie .config (for zaurus 5000d/5500) .. make oldconfig; make; or see bitkeeper (free download but non-gpl) or see 'oz snapshot' if you either cannot or will not use bitkeeper. |
| 03:38.44 | Quantum | Note that start for me is not until the 760 come out |
| 03:38.48 | treke|home | there |
| 03:38.55 | treke|home | look at kernel-c700 |
| 03:39.05 | Quantum | right now but this is not my laptop... I am all linux at home |
| 03:39.18 | treke|home | there a chance it would work right out of the box |
| 03:39.30 | Quantum | that is great |
| 03:39.42 | Quantum | are there any othere needy areas of OZ |
| 03:39.48 | Quantum | like zoom functionality? |
| 03:41.00 | treke|home | probably |
| 03:41.19 | Quantum | I am a beginner with the kernel but no stranger to C,C++ etc... so I would be willing to lend a hand. |
| 03:41.32 | treke|home | ask kergoth when he returns |
| 03:41.49 | Quantum | and that would be??? when? |
| 03:42.14 | treke|home | dunno |
| 03:42.19 | treke|home | probably sometime next week |
| 03:42.23 | treke|home | maybe later |
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| 03:42.56 | Quantum | ok well thanks... I will check the sourceforce site and try those contacts and check in here later ... probably when I actaully get the device |
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| 03:44.21 | Quantum | One more question... what would you think of a gentoo linux distro for portables... |
| 03:44.40 | treke|home | I'd think it was a bad idea |
| 03:45.00 | Quantum | might be overkill but would be cool to be able to customize like that |
| 03:45.41 | Quantum | if not that debian (OZ is based off of) but with more flexability in the installation process |
| 03:46.10 | treke|home | what more is there to customize? |
| 03:48.13 | Quantum | change what apps come default -- u know (or not) -- if not try out gentoo on your desktop. basically the user becomes more aware of the OS and all the tools that they are running. I would also like some ports type system. |
| 03:48.46 | treke|home | Quantum: uhm, just uninstall the ones you dont want. There are more minimal images available |
| 03:49.05 | Quantum | I guess but where is the fun in that. |
| 03:49.46 | treke|home | how is installing the minimal image and the packages you want less fun? |
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| 03:51.53 | Quantum | I like debian's package system but ebuilds are much more advanced. as for fun I like actaul system script design not unlike the LFS type solution but with the automation and ease of gentoo |
| 03:52.34 | Quantum | the minimal could be used to compile a new base... and that would work also but it just seems like too much work |
| 03:53.10 | treke|home | Actually doing a gentoo like system on a plain 760 is not possible |
| 03:53.17 | Quantum | also... with the C760's expanded Flash could you dual boot OZ and the original ROM or would there be a conflict |
| 03:54.03 | Quantum | Oh well I thought I would at least toss the gentoo idea around. |
| 03:54.26 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.26 | treke|home | 84208 qt-2.3.5 |
| 03:54.51 | treke|home | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.51 | treke|home | 150664 opie |
| 03:55.23 | treke|home | unless you know where your going to come up with 230 megs to do the build. Along with, say maybe a day to do the actual compiling :) |
| 03:55.52 | chrionix | okay, so guys, I've been reading and reading. I'm a comp sci. student. I can't afford a spanking new lappy, a friend has a zaurus and says it's cool for perl. Is coding on the thing do-able? |
| 03:55.53 | Quantum | compiling is not a problem (cross compile) |
| 03:56.09 | treke|home | Quantum: So at this point, what have you achieved over openzaurus? :p |
| 03:56.22 | Quantum | yes.... just get used to fast thumbs |
| 03:57.00 | chrionix | hehe, I don't mind going a bit slower, it's for times when I'm away from my desktop, slow coding is better than none. |
| 03:57.12 | Quantum | not much... I just am tossing ideas like I said... OZ seems perfact really I just am curious |
| 03:57.31 | chrionix | and gentoo rocks :P |
| 03:57.45 | Quantum | there we go :) |
| 03:58.01 | treke|home | hehe. the thought of compiling everything I run is a bit urhm, unpleasant :p |
| 03:59.04 | Quantum | it is not that bad... the idea is to have at least one fast machine to do the brute of the work ( thus I would cross compile on a desktop then copy) |
| 03:59.08 | ljp_laptop | I did the stage 3 install. you dont have to compile so much |
| 04:00.18 | Quantum | stage 1 is probably useless unless you do for curiousity. I have not, as of yet, heard any benchmarks compairing stages |
| 04:00.24 | treke|home | even with a fast machine :) |
| 04:02.03 | Quantum | well do an over night then. I have the luxery of a cluster (I built the software myself :) (that is where my specialty comes in)). Spread it over machines almost invisibly (kind of like open Mosix) |
| 04:02.08 | ljp_laptop | teambuilder |
| 04:02.30 | ljp_laptop | or distcc |
| 04:03.09 | Quantum | distcc is the more popular for most... but teambuilder has some advantages |
| 04:04.00 | Quantum | my software creates a virtualized env. above a posix interface and a few other things to basically create a unified SMP type machine |
| 04:04.34 | Quantum | but anyway this is the zaurus channel so I will stick to that |
| 04:06.08 | Quantum | chronix: if you want to look into it I think there are also external keyboards for the zaurus but they have not been to popular and are hard to find because ... well duh. |
| 04:07.35 | Quantum | as for the dual boot... If I were to solve space problems can it easily be done? |
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| 04:09.49 | Quantum | as for the dual boot... If I were to solve space problems can it easily be done? |
| 04:10.30 | treke|laptop | you might be able to hack something |
| 04:11.49 | treke|laptop | you'd probably have the most luck booting from CF |
| 04:12.41 | treke|laptop | write a program to check the CF card for a bootable system, and if it finds one, pivot_root to the card |
| 04:12.57 | Quantum | well i thought you might know if this has already been done... the images would need to be on separate partitions but what is legal with the flash? I will check it out. this might also help testing for the OZ team if we did not have to rely on a CF card so the setup would be as close as possible to ... well you get that point |
| 04:13.08 | Quantum | which boot loader does OZ use |
| 04:13.22 | treke|laptop | sharp's bootloader |
| 04:13.34 | treke|laptop | possibly lineo's |
| 04:14.07 | treke|laptop | think it's called angel |
| 04:14.33 | Quantum | k, it could be possible to do an intermediate loader... note there needs to be a way to use separate kernel images so a latent init prog is a little more like beating around the bush |
| 04:14.39 | Quantum | is it open? |
| 04:14.57 | Quantum | I would guess but. |
| 04:15.08 | treke|laptop | no |
| 04:15.20 | Quantum | that sucks... |
| 04:15.55 | chouimat|Zzzz | yup angelboot sucks |
| 04:16.54 | treke|laptop | you'd probably be better off using the time to fix whatever you'd be dual booting for |
| 04:17.13 | Quantum | I was looking at dynamism.com i like their waranty but their price seems high is there a better import (note that i can don't need -- or want -- their translated os) |
| 04:17.37 | treke|laptop | conics.net is cheaper |
| 04:17.47 | Quantum | thanks |
| 04:17.53 | treke|laptop | no warranty though, afaik |
| 04:17.59 | Quantum | ill check is out now |
| 04:18.19 | Quantum | does dynamism do price matching? |
| 04:18.24 | treke|laptop | nope |
| 04:18.40 | Quantum | darn |
| 04:18.47 | treke|laptop | you may want to spring for the warranty, since supposedly sharp will not support you |
| 04:19.52 | Quantum | it saves $70 (i will consider but a waranty for a foriegn item might be smarter) |
| 04:20.57 | Quantum | well, it is getting late here so i think i will sign off for now.. later |
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| 04:22.26 | aTypical | Anyone awake? |
| 04:22.38 | ljp_laptop | no |
| 04:23.36 | zap-zero | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.35 | fdask | is there a c compiler that works under sharp rom |
| 04:29.44 | fdask | does the oz one work |
| 04:29.55 | fdask | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=761 |
| 04:32.21 | TheMasterMind1 | there's one in the oz feeds i think |
| 04:32.26 | TheMasterMind1 | its in the buildroot anyway |
| 04:32.33 | TheMasterMind1 | it works, the killefiz one has many problems |
| 04:33.59 | fdask | cool, ill look. thanks. |
| 04:34.15 | fdask | what about http://opie.net.wox.org/ |
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| 04:36.58 | TheMasterMind1 | ... |
| 04:37.00 | TheMasterMind1 | what about it? |
| 04:37.19 | fdask | urg |
| 04:37.29 | fdask | do i get an ipk from the feed |
| 04:37.36 | TheMasterMind1 | don't use that feed with OZ |
| 04:37.40 | TheMasterMind1 | use OZ feeds |
| 04:38.57 | fdask | ya im looking at the latest stable |
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| 04:42.08 | TheMasterMind1 | look in unstable |
| 04:43.50 | fdask | do you know which ipk |
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| 05:17.39 | cdm | blam! |
| 05:25.03 | cdm | so, the SD5500 has 16M of flash right? |
| 05:25.09 | cdm | anyone know what the sector size might be? |
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| 06:11.11 | frankps | hi |
| 06:12.05 | cdm | hey frank |
| 06:12.52 | frankps | my 5500 has arrived from TigerDirect, going to the post office after work today :-) |
| 06:16.39 | cdm | neato |
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| 06:45.16 | cdm | anyone here know the flash layout of the Z? |
| 06:45.36 | cdm | in terms of sizes and offsets from 0? |
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| 06:57.55 | DaWorm | this is so annoying |
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| 07:26.47 | cdm | DaWorm: what is? |
| 07:27.36 | DaWorm | oh some websites like go daddy and handango seem to block credit cards from my country |
| 07:27.46 | DaWorm | i can't even buy a single thing lately |
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| 07:29.00 | cdm | nice nice |
| 07:30.34 | wijnand | what is? |
| 07:32.39 | cdm | that DaWorm has is CC's blocked. |
| 07:32.50 | wijnand | heh |
| 07:32.54 | DaWorm | heh |
| 07:32.58 | DaWorm | well |
| 07:33.52 | wijnand | this is just what makes people want to get illegal copies of software thouhg: if they won't accept anything from you |
| 07:34.54 | DaWorm | right, a $10 game isn't much for me but it annoys me that i can't get it because they won't let me pay, its dumb |
| 07:36.39 | wijnand | it's not a good way of running a company if you ask me :P |
| 07:36.58 | cdm | can OpenZ use the flash as a read-write filesystem? |
| 07:37.18 | cdm | kergoth: you around? |
| 07:37.41 | DaWorm | i sooo want to buy Bust'Em |
| 07:45.13 | cdm | anyone? |
| 07:45.22 | cdm | is the flash for openz read/write? |
| 07:45.50 | yeiazel | cdm: OZ uses the flash read/write |
| 07:46.11 | cdm | yeiazel: thanks. |
| 07:46.25 | yeiazel | all your personal data is stored in the flash (if you don't symlink to another dir or mount a card on /root) |
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| 07:53.58 | cdm | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 07:53.59 | | kergoth is currently on #opie (1d 13h 33m 39s) #uclibc (1d 13h 33m 39s) #picogui (1d 13h 33m 39s) #tuxscreen (1d 13h 33m 39s) #zaurus (1d 13h 33m 39s) #elinux (1d 13h 33m 39s) #openembedded (1d 13h 33m 39s) #handhelds.org (1d 13h 33m 39s) #openzaurus (1d 13h 33m 39s) |
| 07:54.03 | cdm | crap |
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| 08:16.39 | wijnand | hehe |
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| 08:22.32 | cdm | treke: you here? |
| 08:23.48 | yeiazel | locked ? |
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| 08:30.16 | cdm | yeiazel: yeah, the flash gets locked at the hardware level and has to be unlocked. I am trying to figure out if there is a bug in our unlocking routines. |
| 08:31.44 | George- | success |
| 08:31.49 | George- | my desktop is now back to normal :) |
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| 08:32.35 | yeiazel | cdm: ok |
| 08:34.19 | fdask | how can i compile c programs on the zaurus? |
| 08:34.27 | yeiazel | use gcc :) |
| 08:35.27 | fdask | is there an ipk somewhere? |
| 08:40.51 | George- | fdask: there are a few ipks of gcc on wazlaf's site for the Psion Series 5mx's linux. It should work on the Z. |
| 08:49.01 | George- | ibot linux7k |
| 08:49.02 | | George-: are you using Windows? |
| 08:49.07 | George- | ibot psilinux |
| 08:49.07 | | http://www.psilinux.org |
| 08:49.12 | George- | hrmm |
| 08:49.17 | George- | ibot wazlaf |
| 08:49.18 | | I don't know anything! Don't hurt me! *dials 911* |
| 08:52.21 | George- | "6 months of uptime with any modern Windows... means you're not installing the weekly critical security update patches, all of which require reboot." |
| 08:56.16 | rgrep | Is it true that apps compiled for the 5500 run at half-speed on the 5600? |
| 08:56.28 | rgrep | i.e. at 200MHz |
| 08:56.55 | George- | rgrep: slower |
| 08:57.10 | George- | rgrep: the PXA-250 is shit |
| 08:57.40 | rgrep | George-: I want to buy a 5600, should I wait for Sharp to change to the PXA-255 CPU? |
| 08:57.53 | George- | rgrep: yeh |
| 08:57.59 | George- | rgrep: or get hte C760 :) |
| 08:58.16 | rgrep | George-: Is there any ETA on when they will make the change? |
| 08:58.24 | George- | nope |
| 08:58.36 | George- | the C750/760 already have the PXA-255 though |
| 08:59.05 | George- | then again, I'm perfectly happy with my 5000D :) |
| 08:59.32 | rgrep | So do the apps run at 200MHz or slower? |
| 08:59.44 | rgrep | And is it just a matter of recompiling them? |
| 09:00.57 | George- | I'm not sure |
| 09:02.19 | George- | and they don't run at 200MHz, the frequency doesn't go down when executing ARM4 apps :P |
| 09:06.15 | rgrep | They have plenty of RAM too |
| 09:09.53 | cdm | rgrep: With the 5600 there will be cases where it runs faster then the 5500, the same and slower. Depends on what the app is doing with-respect-to memory. |
| 09:10.09 | cdm | rgrep: and no, there is nothing a re-compile will do. |
| 09:10.46 | DaWorm | bbl |
| 09:12.04 | rgrep | cdm: Oh so it's just a feature/bug in the CPU. Nothing to do with backwards compatibility? |
| 09:13.31 | mark|work | rgrep: yes, but in CPU |
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| 09:17.24 | George- | cdm: if the apps are compiled with optimizations for xscale it speeds them up significantly from what I've heard |
| 09:19.03 | rgrep | The PXA255 also uses less power so I hear. I think I'll wait for the C760. |
| 09:19.26 | rgrep | I'm in New Zealand so I don't know how I'm going to get either Zaurus anyway |
| 09:19.46 | cdm | George-: no, not significantly. |
| 09:19.51 | cdm | George-: a few %'s. |
| 09:20.10 | wijnand | rgrep: the 5500 not good enough? im sure they sell that down there |
| 09:20.11 | cdm | rgrep: Yes, the PXA250 has a cache bug. You have to turn off the write-back cache. |
| 09:20.26 | cdm | rgrep: So writing to DRAM is terribly slow. |
| 09:21.21 | rgrep | wijnand: Nope, no Zauruses (Zaurii?) are sold here. |
| 09:22.04 | mithro | cdm: not all the PXA250's have a cache bug according to the errata i was reading from intel the other day, rev4 of the chip isn't suppose to suffer from it... |
| 09:22.06 | wijnand | rgrep: the 5500 is out in australia isnt it? cant get that one? |
| 09:23.04 | rgrep | wijnand: I could, but I thought the 5600 was better, and now it seems like I should just wait for the C760. |
| 09:23.46 | mithro | C760 is going to kick ass |
| 09:23.51 | mithro | i have a C700 |
| 09:24.35 | wijnand | mithro: how's the keyboard on that? |
| 09:24.37 | rgrep | Or I could get a 5500 or 5600 and when the C760 comes out I'll have a spare for an MP3 player/web server etc :) |
| 09:24.51 | cdm | mithro: Well, did they ever release a stepping D to the market? I belive they just bumped it up to PXA255. |
| 09:24.52 | wijnand | hehe a 5x00 webserver? |
| 09:24.56 | wijnand | nice idea |
| 09:25.34 | mithro | cdm: i think they did get it out to the market but it was having image problems hence the PXA255 |
| 09:26.48 | mithro | because i've seen a few C700's (like mine) which report having the rev4 processor... but i could have got my crossed |
| 09:26.54 | Joelw | mithro: Hi! |
| 09:27.07 | mithro | havn't had any problems with the bug fix disabled on mine |
| 09:27.11 | mithro | hey Joelw |
| 09:30.05 | mithro | i've only had it crash once so far and i've used it quite heavily... |
| 09:31.22 | Joelw | Mine goes funny when I use kismet, but other than that it's been crash-free with the cache enabled. |
| 09:31.56 | mithro | Joelw's C700 has PXA250 rev4 like mine |
| 09:32.31 | cdm | well, it won't always crash actually. |
| 09:32.31 | rgrep | Is the 64MB of SDRAM in the 5500 any advantage (I'm trying to convince myself that a 5500 will be good enough for me) |
| 09:32.36 | cdm | that isn't the bug. |
| 09:32.43 | rgrep | any advantage over the 5600 I mean/ |
| 09:33.05 | cdm | and it could even be triggered and do nothing wrong if the memory has not been changed since the cache line was dirty. |
| 09:33.16 | cdm | dirtied. |
| 09:33.42 | cdm | in general it will just cause subtle memory corruption. |
| 09:35.02 | mithro | cdm: memory corruption -> crash evetually |
| 09:35.14 | cdm | maybe? |
| 09:35.29 | cdm | could be a crash in a program. |
| 09:35.34 | mithro | i've compiled stuff on my Z |
| 09:35.35 | cdm | could cause data writes to flash to be the wrong data. |
| 09:35.58 | mithro | yeah i know but you would expect some unstability |
| 09:36.05 | cdm | I think it was very rare. |
| 09:36.11 | cdm | which is why they didn't catch it when it shipped. |
| 09:36.21 | mithro | yeah well i might be wrong :) |
| 09:36.31 | cdm | I have heard that stepping D fixed it as well. |
| 09:37.05 | mithro | but from what i could understand from the website (which has now been hiden behind the PXA255 website) that rev4 didn't have the bug |
| 09:38.38 | Joelw | Has anyone confirmed that they have a rev3 or older CPU? |
| 09:39.10 | mithro | dunno |
| 09:39.23 | rgrep | Would a SL-5500 with a 256MB SD card have any less usable RAM than an SL-5600 with no SD card? |
| 09:39.46 | mithro | rgrep: depends what you mean by usable... |
| 09:40.06 | mithro | i wouldn't say the SL-5600 is worth it, go for a C7xx :) |
| 09:40.27 | Joelw | The 7xx is nicer to use :) |
| 09:40.38 | mithro | yeah and has a killer screen |
| 09:40.41 | cdm | rgrep: probably a little less (driver and such). |
| 09:41.10 | rgrep | mithro: The 5600 only has 32MB SDRAM doesn't it? Is the 64MB SDRAM in the 5500 any advantage over this? |
| 09:41.55 | mithro | rgrep: for running large applications the extra 32mb is good, but that requires you to run your root on SD which is slow |
| 09:42.17 | mithro | the 5600 has the advantage that is doesn't loose all your internal memory when the battery runs out |
| 09:42.28 | Joelw | Apparently the C700 with a 64MB upgrade isn't noticably faster than the standard model.. but it's got to be better than running swap on external flash. |
| 09:42.42 | mithro | i wouldn't recommend the 5600 personally |
| 09:43.08 | rgrep | mithro: If you had a choice of the 5600 or 5500 which would you chose? |
| 09:43.23 | rgrep | s/chose/choose/ |
| 09:43.46 | mithro | rgrep: if they where the same price i would go 5600, it the 5500 was significantly cheaper i would go that |
| 09:44.05 | mithro | but i would choose Cxx over them anyday :) |
| 09:44.10 | mithro | anyway time for dinner... |
| 09:44.11 | mithro | bblr |
| 09:44.14 | Joelw | mithro: Bye! |
| 10:06.59 | mithro | back |
| 10:08.51 | rgrep | wb |
| 10:09.11 | mithro | rgrep: conics does ship to New Zeland if i remeber correctly... |
| 10:10.01 | rgrep | mithro: Thanks. I've been looking up some Aussie sites for a 5500. Do you have a C700? |
| 10:10.17 | mithro | yeah C700 |
| 10:10.52 | rgrep | mithro: Did you buy it in Australia? What's conics' url? |
| 10:11.47 | mithro | from conics |
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| 10:12.18 | mithro | http://shop.conics.net/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/ |
| 10:12.37 | rgrep | thanks |
| 10:12.51 | mithro | they also have cheap cf wireless cards |
| 10:14.18 | wijnand | mithro: is the keyboard on the c7xx easier to use than on the 5x00? |
| 10:14.25 | rgrep | mithro: I'm struggling to decide which one to buy. Or whether to wait for the 760. |
| 10:14.55 | mithro | yeah it keyboard on the C7xx is so much better then the 5x00 |
| 10:15.07 | mithro | plus the screen Resolution kicks ass |
| 10:15.17 | mithro | rgrep: personally i would preorder a C760 :) |
| 10:15.18 | wijnand | can you actually use more than two thumbs and get away with it? |
| 10:15.40 | mithro | SL-C760 ... $729 USD (Available from June 21st onwards) |
| 10:15.41 | mithro | Now accepting pre-orders for the C760. |
| 10:15.50 | mithro | wijnand: depends on your finger size |
| 10:16.16 | wijnand | heh yeah of course |
| 10:16.18 | mithro | i can get 3 fingers from each hand and do slowish touch typing |
| 10:16.38 | wijnand | that means you can write texts or code |
| 10:17.02 | mithro | yeah i did most of my Data Structures and Alorgitms assignment on it |
| 10:17.08 | wijnand | sounds like an improvement :) |
| 10:17.17 | mithro | wijnand: it's bound to give you RSI though :) |
| 10:17.32 | wijnand | lol well thats comforting to know |
| 10:17.50 | rgrep | mithro: Are Conics in Aussie? |
| 10:17.53 | wijnand | i should get a full-size keyboard for the 5500 for when i need to type on location |
| 10:18.02 | mithro | rgrep: nope a japenese company |
| 10:18.27 | mithro | wijnand: there are some really nice foldable keyboard which work with the zaurus out there... |
| 10:18.42 | Joelw | The Conics guy is an Australian ex-pat, isn't he? |
| 10:18.42 | mithro | s/keyboard/keyboards |
| 10:18.48 | wijnand | mithro: do you know a website with a list? |
| 10:18.52 | fdask | do most people opt to cross compile things for the zaurus as opposed to compiling on the unit itself? |
| 10:18.53 | mithro | Joelw: got no idea |
| 10:19.06 | mithro | wijnand: afraid not :( |
| 10:19.11 | cdm | cross-compile is certainly gonna be faster. |
| 10:19.14 | Joelw | mithro: He doesn't have a very Japanese sounding name :) |
| 10:19.18 | mithro | fdask: yeah unless your mad like me :) |
| 10:19.20 | wijnand | mithro: ahh well im sure google will help |
| 10:19.22 | rgrep | mithro: Sounds good, June 21st is less than a month away. |
| 10:19.36 | cdm | once I have the touch screen working I can make the Z part of the eQip releases! |
| 10:19.40 | fdask | mithro: what compiler do u have set up on your z? |
| 10:19.45 | mithro | the C760 is going to kick ass, it has a longer battery |
| 10:19.58 | mithro | fdask: Kopi for java and i played with gcc for a while |
| 10:20.11 | mithro | which is the only problem i have with my C700 |
| 10:20.29 | mithro | (built myself a battery extender though so it's not much of a problem anymore...) |
| 10:20.51 | mithro | plus the HUGE internal storage of the C760 would be cool... |
| 10:20.58 | mithro | eQip? |
| 10:21.02 | fdask | how did u go about getting gcc installed? |
| 10:21.13 | mithro | fdask: install it from the feed |
| 10:21.15 | Joelw | mithro: Oh, you got 6.5/20 for DEFS :) |
| 10:21.30 | mithro | Joelw: which defs? |
| 10:21.39 | cdm | mithro: http://qnxzone.com/eQip/ |
| 10:21.53 | mithro | the last assignment? |
| 10:21.53 | Joelw | mithro: Whichever one you haven't collected. You did it in pencil and it had a variety of matrices on it. |
| 10:21.58 | fdask | im running the sharp rom, does this make a difference for gcc? |
| 10:22.57 | mithro | Joelw: yeah only got to the first 2 questions :) |
| 10:23.05 | mithro | fdask: dunno... |
| 10:23.14 | mithro | you on a 5500 or C700? |
| 10:23.23 | Joelw | mithro: I was going to pick it up, but then thought that you might get alarmed if you went to get it and it wasn't there. |
| 10:24.18 | mithro | QnX looks kinda cool |
| 10:24.33 | mithro | cdm: can you run it and opie at the same time :) |
| 10:25.10 | Joelw | mithro: It's a whole OS, isn't it? :) |
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| 10:26.02 | rgrep | Is the Socket Low Power WLAN CF card still the best? (and is it the best for the C760 too?) |
| 10:27.07 | Joelw | Get a lower power one if you can - my IOData one drains my battery in about 40 minutes :) |
| 10:27.27 | cdm | mithro: no. As QNX != Linux |
| 10:27.35 | fdask | mithro: i'm on a 5500 |
| 10:27.40 | mithro | cdm: i just realised that :) |
| 10:27.50 | mithro | fdask: the OZ feed may work |
| 10:28.03 | mithro | rgrep: yeah get a low power one if possible |
| 10:28.12 | mithro | but they can be up to double the price |
| 10:29.07 | cdm | I'm off to bed. |
| 10:29.07 | cdm | cya |
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| 10:29.32 | Joelw | mithro: Have you done VACA? |
| 10:30.11 | fdask | mithro: what would i need 2 get from the oz feed? |
| 10:30.14 | mithro | Joelw: nope |
| 10:30.24 | Joelw | mithro: Me either :( |
| 10:30.31 | mithro | fdask: goto the feed and just download the packages and then install it manually... |
| 10:30.45 | fdask | which packages? |
| 10:33.54 | mithro | hrm, i think i might have lied to you, it appears the OZ feed doesn't have gcc in it.... |
| 10:34.04 | mithro | you can build your own using buildroot if you wanted |
| 10:34.09 | mithro | but it's alot of effort |
| 10:34.31 | fdask | it would probably be a better use of my time setting up a dev environment on a linux desktop |
| 10:34.33 | fdask | -_- |
| 10:34.51 | mithro | yeah |
| 10:34.57 | mithro | it's like 100* easier |
| 10:35.24 | mithro | Joelw: i'll most proberly do VACA tommorrow |
| 10:36.42 | mithro | Joelw: can you remind me to pick up my DEFS tommorrow please? |
| 10:42.09 | rgrep | Good night, thanks for all the help and advice. |
| 10:42.26 | rgrep | mithro: Thanks for the conics link, I'm definately going for the C760 now. |
| 10:47.13 | mithro | should have asked if he wanted to get me one too :) |
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| 10:53.28 | George- | can someone send me a C760? :) |
| 10:56.22 | effy | sure, I got an extra one lying around here somewhere |
| 10:57.04 | George- | brb |
| 11:01.58 | mithro | well i'm off to bed |
| 11:01.59 | mithro | gnight |
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| 11:04.17 | George- | argh, I want that C760 |
| 11:06.51 | effy | heh |
| 11:06.57 | effy | gotta wait a while longer dont you? |
| 11:07.17 | George- | haha |
| 11:07.23 | George- | yeh, I need a working laptop first |
| 11:07.34 | George- | bastard. |
| 11:07.38 | effy | ;) |
| 11:07.56 | effy | I just need a place to live |
| 11:07.57 | George- | gotta get my current h/w working before I get more, haven't I? :) |
| 11:08.09 | wijnand | lol. my laptop died straight after i ordered my zaurus :P |
| 11:08.32 | George- | wijnand: beat this, my laptop has been in repair 4 times in the last 4 months :P |
| 11:08.37 | George- | wijnand: er.. 3 times |
| 11:08.46 | George- | wijnand: 12 weeks spent at the repair place |
| 11:08.54 | wijnand | George-: sounds um... lovely... |
| 11:08.59 | George- | wijnand: heh |
| 11:09.03 | wijnand | George-: also sounds like you might prefer to just buy a new one |
| 11:09.06 | George- | ibot lart apple |
| 11:09.18 | wijnand | George-: my laptop is 3.5 years old, not worth having i repaired i reckon |
| 11:09.22 | George- | wijnand: nah, it's failed again. I'm gonna go and demand a replacement |
| 11:09.24 | mark|work | ~lart George- |
| 11:09.30 | George- | mark|work: :) |
| 11:09.47 | wijnand | ~lart ibot |
| 11:09.52 | wijnand | heh oops |
| 11:10.25 | George- | wijnand: I've got a 3 year extended warranty on mine |
| 11:10.44 | wijnand | George-: so did i... but as it's 3.5 years old that doesn't help me much anymore |
| 11:11.04 | mark|work | George-: apple must hate you |
| 11:11.11 | George- | mark|work: heh, why? |
| 11:11.22 | George- | mark|work: cause I've cost them 4000 GBP in repairs? :P |
| 11:11.28 | mark|work | yes |
| 11:11.35 | effy | wtf does "lart" mean anyways? |
| 11:11.37 | George- | mark|work: it's their fucking problem |
| 11:11.48 | George- | mark|work: they chose to sell me a laptop that is totally fubar |
| 11:12.11 | mark|work | George-: serves you right for swizzling the tax man ey? :OP |
| 11:12.21 | George- | mark|work: ... |
| 11:15.53 | mark|work | ;) |
| 11:16.08 | George- | mark|work: in any case it's totally fucked :P |
| 11:16.26 | mark|work | George-: don't do chemistry A level |
| 11:17.45 | George- | mark|work: I wasn't intending to |
| 11:18.27 | mark|work | good |
| 11:18.45 | mark|work | doing further maths is a pain too |
| 11:19.04 | George- | mark|work: I suppose ALL a levels are a pain for you. |
| 11:19.33 | mark|work | erm, yeh actually |
| 11:19.39 | George- | idiot :P |
| 11:19.57 | mark|work | p3 is quite hard at first |
| 11:21.25 | George- | mark|work: how the hell are you an academic scholar? |
| 11:21.59 | mark|work | George-: why not? |
| 11:22.18 | George- | because you seem to be really stupid? :P |
| 11:22.41 | mark|work | uh yeh, whatever |
| 11:27.21 | mark|work | ~lart George- |
| 11:30.28 | mark|work | George-: AS are easy but mostly annoying |
| 11:35.25 | George- | mark|work: whatever you say :P |
| 11:35.36 | George- | mark|work: you just like complaining |
| 11:35.37 | George- | ;) |
| 11:40.09 | mark|work | yeh |
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| 12:01.51 | effy | wb |
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| 12:14.44 | mark | George-: by how much do ebay auctions usually rise in the last day? |
| 12:14.52 | George- | mark: twice as much? |
| 12:15.23 | mark | George-: really? ouch |
| 12:18.34 | mark | George-: thats daft |
| 12:19.43 | George- | mark: well, mine did. |
| 12:20.13 | mark | George-: what did you sell? |
| 12:20.14 | mark | oh that laptop |
| 12:20.23 | George- | yeh |
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| 12:31.29 | George- | argh |
| 12:31.33 | George- | is the new rom jffs2? |
| 12:45.05 | duplexer | For OZ yes :) |
| 12:46.04 | yeiazel | heh :) |
| 12:46.49 | George- | bleh |
| 12:46.54 | George- | I meant ROM 3.1.0 |
| 12:47.05 | George- | and btw - 3.1.0 is cramfs :) |
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| 13:14.00 | George- | hrmm.. decoding all my mp3s from 160Kbit/s to 128Kbit/s for my Z :) |
| 13:14.28 | pHluid | Quality is kinda gonna suck |
| 13:14.33 | George- | pHluid: why? |
| 13:14.40 | pHluid | Encode-decode-encode |
| 13:14.45 | George- | pHluid: heh |
| 13:14.53 | George- | pHluid: nah, MP3 -> WAV -> MP3 again |
| 13:14.58 | pHluid | um. |
| 13:15.00 | pHluid | Yeh. |
| 13:15.02 | George- | :) |
| 13:15.06 | pHluid | That would be an encode-decode-encode. |
| 13:15.17 | George- | pHluid: and I just tried it, and it sounded OK |
| 13:15.22 | pHluid | Not that it really matters on the wussy ass little stereo jack on the Z |
| 13:15.30 | George- | pHluid: :P |
| 13:16.09 | pHluid | Ogg or something might be better |
| 13:16.17 | pHluid | Long as you're re-encoding everything anyways... |
| 13:16.33 | George- | how fast is ogg at encoding? |
| 13:16.43 | pHluid | Not sure ;[ |
| 13:16.47 | pHluid | I've never bothered to encode to it |
| 13:16.53 | pHluid | What ogg I have, I got as ogg |
| 13:16.54 | pHluid | heh |
| 13:17.45 | duplexer | It's faster than the crappy mp3 encoding George-. |
| 13:17.54 | duplexer | Better quality too. |
| 13:17.56 | George- | duplexer: hrmm |
| 13:18.01 | George- | duplexer: what's the encoder program? |
| 13:18.11 | duplexer | Hmm...ogg123 |
| 13:18.18 | yeiazel | oggenc |
| 13:18.24 | duplexer | O' yes. |
| 13:18.28 | duplexer | Brain fart |
| 13:18.35 | Twiun | anyone on the sharp rom atm? |
| 13:18.53 | George- | Twiun: I was on it yesterday (3.1) |
| 13:19.01 | pHluid | There's a Sharp ROM? |
| 13:19.42 | Twiun | George-: no longer, I take it? |
| 13:19.44 | George- | pHluid: apparently |
| 13:19.47 | George- | Twiun: yeh, no longer |
| 13:19.50 | George- | Twiun: it sucked :P |
| 13:20.05 | Twiun | George-: I needed to see wether a bug was also present on theirs |
| 13:20.47 | George- | Twiun: probably ;) |
| 13:23.32 | George- | Twiun: still hacking on wonka? |
| 13:24.15 | Twiun | George-: that's on hold for now - getting paid to do something else :) |
| 13:24.54 | George- | Twiun: they didn't see your criminal record then? |
| 13:25.44 | Twiun | George-: ha. ha. ha. |
| 13:25.52 | George- | Twiun: :) |
| 13:30.29 | pHluid | http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9668 |
| 13:31.12 | pHluid | DDR for PDA's w/400Mbps throughput :x |
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| 13:33.11 | George- | will xmms-e play ogg files? |
| 13:33.36 | yeiazel | yes |
| 13:33.37 | yeiazel | of course |
| 13:33.41 | George- | good |
| 13:38.07 | George- | is VBR better than a fixed bitrate? |
| 13:38.47 | doughecka | I think so |
| 13:39.25 | pHluid | VBR is more efficient in file size, but is far more dependent on having a good encoder |
| 13:39.44 | pHluid | If the encoder makes a bad decision, the quality will suffer... also, VBR tends to take longer to encode. |
| 13:39.53 | George- | pHluid: hrmm |
| 13:39.57 | George- | pHluid: oggenc |
| 13:42.34 | yeiazel | is there any other ogg encoder ? :) |
| 13:47.53 | George- | uberoggenc? :) |
| 13:52.02 | pHluid | Like I said, I'm not too familiar with encoding ogg, so I dunno how well the encoder handles vbr. I imagine pretty well though, since it's open sourced and developed by audiophiles who would freak out if all of a sudden their Dance Dance Revolution library was clipping the sub 40Hz range or something. |
| 13:52.28 | George- | rofl |
| 13:53.47 | George- | oggenc is _fast_ |
| 13:54.10 | doughecka | bah |
| 13:54.21 | doughecka | my PDA now will not boot up |
| 13:54.27 | doughecka | wont even take a charge |
| 13:54.34 | doughecka | wont even light up |
| 13:54.46 | George- | doughecka: take out the battery |
| 13:54.51 | George- | doughecka: take out AC power |
| 13:54.52 | doughecka | I did |
| 13:54.54 | George- | doughecka: leave for 1 hour |
| 13:54.58 | George- | doughecka: try to reflash |
| 13:55.11 | doughecka | the charge light doest light up |
| 13:55.18 | doughecka | its DOA |
| 13:55.22 | pHluid | doughecka: Welcome to my world |
| 13:55.37 | doughecka | :) |
| 13:55.40 | doughecka | I didnt drop it |
| 13:55.51 | pHluid | Some time I should get around to swapping the battery out of the new one to the old one and seeing if it is just the batt... |
| 13:55.51 | George- | both my zauri are working fine :) |
| 13:56.12 | doughecka | yay |
| 13:56.15 | doughecka | its charging |
| 13:56.20 | George- | makes a change, considering my fucking laptop never works |
| 13:56.37 | doughecka | good thing OZ keeps all my data |
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| 14:19.01 | George- | hi phoen][x |
| 14:19.05 | George- | I SNEAK PAST TO BUN! |
| 14:19.25 | phoen][x | ALL YOUR TIBOOK ARE BELONG TO ME |
| 14:19.36 | phoen][x | lo George- |
| 14:19.40 | George- | nah, they seem to belong to Apple's repair dept :) |
| 14:19.50 | phoen][x | hehe, sad but true |
| 14:20.00 | George- | or at least, it spends so much time there, you'd think it was a permanent resident |
| 14:22.40 | mark | ~lart George- |
| 14:22.53 | George- | mark: fuck off |
| 14:22.57 | mark | hehe |
| 14:30.41 | duplexer | Language, language gentlemen. |
| 14:31.05 | George- | duplexer: fuck off :) |
| 14:31.42 | duplexer | George-, were is the love? |
| 14:31.53 | George- | duplexer: haha |
| 14:32.14 | George- | bog off you infidel |
| 14:32.34 | duplexer | Infidel, we are all gods child :) |
| 14:32.43 | phoen][x | ~lart ibot |
| 14:32.46 | George- | I'm athiest. |
| 14:32.47 | George- | oh well |
| 14:32.53 | phoen][x | uh-huh |
| 14:32.59 | duplexer | ~lart duplexer |
| 14:33.05 | George- | ~eat phoen][x |
| 14:33.10 | | ACTION eats phoen][x and falls over dead |
| 14:33.10 | duplexer | ~lart duplexer |
| 14:33.27 | phoen][x | lol |
| 14:33.40 | mark | no, no, you are *an* athiest, athiesm isn't a religion |
| 14:33.55 | phoen][x | damn native speakers |
| 14:34.07 | George- | mark: it's the belief that there is no god :) |
| 14:34.20 | raceme | non this is nihilism |
| 14:34.38 | George- | mark: thus it is a religion :P |
| 14:35.42 | duplexer | Hmm...so your an athlete George-? |
| 14:35.54 | George- | s/your/you're/ |
| 14:35.59 | George- | and no I'm not :P |
| 14:36.10 | duplexer | That what you said. |
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| 14:37.47 | duplexer | 23:32 <George-> I'm athlete |
| 14:37.55 | George- | <George-> I'm athiest. |
| 14:38.00 | George- | LIES! :P |
| 14:38.22 | duplexer | O', is that like a good athlete . . . or something. |
| 14:38.30 | George- | duplexer: oh shut up :P |
| 14:38.44 | duplexer | I want be good at sports too, you know. |
| 14:38.56 | phoen][x | lo TMM1 |
| 14:38.57 | duplexer | George- . . . |
| 14:39.02 | duplexer | that was not nice. |
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| 14:39.07 | mark | raceme: no, nihilism is something different |
| 14:39.08 | George- | Project UNIX name: etux |
| 14:39.08 | George- | Registered: 2001-07-08 12:29 |
| 14:39.08 | George- | Activity Percentile (last week): 0% |
| 14:39.13 | George- | nice activity percentile :) |
| 14:39.25 | duplexer | I bring you love and peace . . . Georgey. |
| 14:41.20 | ljp_laptop | oi |
| 14:42.23 | George- | ljp_laptop: oi to you too |
| 14:42.37 | doughecka | :Þ |
| 14:43.36 | George- | ibot athiest |
| 14:43.37 | | George-: I give up, what is it? |
| 14:43.40 | George- | ibot athiesm |
| 14:43.41 | | George-: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 14:43.45 | George- | ibot god |
| 14:43.45 | | god is probably a llama |
| 14:43.56 | doughecka | lurgyman made that |
| 14:44.09 | doughecka | ~dict fart |
| 14:44.32 | mark | George-: fix kwin |
| 14:44.36 | George- | mark: bog off |
| 14:44.46 | mark | it sucks |
| 14:45.02 | George- | mark: stop fucking asking me to fix things all the time. |
| 14:45.11 | doughecka | so does this channel |
| 14:45.12 | doughecka | :) |
| 14:45.20 | mark | George-: get off you're arse and do some st uff then |
| 14:45.31 | George- | don't be silly |
| 14:45.35 | George- | you naive fool :P |
| 14:45.42 | doughecka | ~dict naive |
| 14:45.59 | doughecka | ~dict fool |
| 14:46.18 | doughecka | indulge in horseplay fits |
| 14:46.52 | aTypical | Hello all. |
| 14:47.25 | duplexer | What's up fool? |
| 14:48.07 | aTypical | I was finally able to put OZ 3.2 onto my zaurus. |
| 14:48.17 | George- | duplexer: FOOL! |
| 14:48.51 | aTypical | Now I'm looking for games my daughter can play while we're sitting at restaurants waiting to be seated. |
| 14:49.12 | George- | aTypical: pretty niche requirement :) |
| 14:49.28 | George- | aTypical: Strategic Assault... Interstellar Flames... |
| 14:50.08 | aTypical | George-: I thought I saw pacman somewhere while searching. |
| 14:50.51 | George- | aTypical: kpacman |
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| 14:50.55 | mark | aTypical: knights and repton |
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| 14:51.06 | George- | mark: stop trying to get financial gain |
| 14:51.10 | George- | mark: :P |
| 14:51.11 | mark | George-: :) |
| 14:51.23 | George- | aTypical: don't buy either of those, as mark ported them to the Z and he gets money for them :P |
| 14:51.50 | mark | heh |
| 14:52.36 | aTypical | George-: Is mark not worth buying from? |
| 14:53.28 | George- | aTypical: do you want the unbias answer or the evilly bias answer? |
| 14:54.42 | aTypical | unbiased please |
| 14:54.52 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 14:54.58 | TheMasterMind1 | aTypical: killefiz.de/zaurus |
| 14:55.04 | George- | aTypical: he's about the same as the others :) |
| 14:55.22 | George- | aTypical: you could always teach your daughter HTML and buy her the HTML Editor for the Z :) |
| 14:56.31 | George- | wow. Eon Games' "Snails" looks really neat |
| 14:56.34 | George- | pocket version of Worms :) |
| 14:56.47 | aTypical | TheMasterMind1: Thanks. I'm there now. The server for kpacman appears to be down. |
| 14:56.52 | George- | "Deep in Space, there lies the ancient planet of Schnoogie. On the planet of Schnoogie, there exist the three races of Snails: the Moogums, the Lupeez, and the Nooginz. " |
| 14:57.16 | TheMasterMind1 | aTypical: kpacman and a bunch of other games are in the OZ feeds |
| 14:57.21 | TheMasterMind1 | aTypical: use aqpkg and download them |
| 14:57.21 | mark | jees :), i was only joking. aTypical: IF and SA are excellent |
| 14:57.56 | George- | mark: hear hear |
| 14:58.34 | George- | mark: http://eongames.com/games/snails/ |
| 15:10.03 | pHluid | yeh |
| 15:10.10 | pHluid | they need to hurry up and port that shit to the Z. |
| 15:11.28 | pHluid | Also |
| 15:11.51 | pHluid | While we're on the subject of porting shit... would anybody, anybody at all, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE port a Genesis emu to the Z. ;[ |
| 15:12.12 | mark | yeh that'd be cool |
| 15:12.14 | mark | George-? |
| 15:12.25 | pHluid | There's MaxMESS |
| 15:12.36 | pHluid | But MESS is quite a huge bit of overkill for genesis emulation |
| 15:12.40 | pHluid | and it segfaults on me anyways |
| 15:12.42 | pHluid | :) |
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| 15:13.59 | pHluid | DGen/SDL would be wonderful |
| 15:14.02 | pHluid | But I suspect hard |
| 15:14.13 | pHluid | Due to it's extensive use of NASM |
| 15:14.42 | pHluid | Generator is 100% C though.... |
| 15:15.17 | pHluid | Generator has even already been ported to the iPaq |
| 15:18.16 | George- | pHluid: DGen is a lot of x86 asm |
| 15:18.20 | George- | s/is/has/ |
| 15:18.23 | George- | mark: bleh |
| 15:18.32 | mark | pHluid: that'd be straight forward |
| 15:19.16 | pHluid | George: Yeh. ;[ |
| 15:19.17 | George- | mark: yeh, simple recompile :) |
| 15:19.23 | pHluid | Generator is straight C throughout though |
| 15:21.50 | pHluid | I get the most random ass people adding me to their MSN lists |
| 15:21.51 | pHluid | like |
| 15:21.52 | pHluid | http://members.msn.com/chronic_chik101@hotmail.com |
| 15:21.54 | pHluid | that chick. |
| 15:22.11 | pHluid | Favorite Things |
| 15:22.11 | pHluid | i like to HaNg OuT wItH fRiEnDs Go To MoViEs, PaRtYiNg, GeTtInG hAmMeRed,Go To DaNcEs,Go To ThE BeAcH,Sk8, WaTcH gUyS sK8, sPoRtS, BuT ThE bEsT |
| 15:22.11 | pHluid | Is GeTtInG hAmMeReD!!! |
| 15:22.18 | pHluid | oh, wow. aren't you cool. |
| 15:23.01 | mark | pHluid: have a look at zTi85emu or the game boy emu |
| 15:24.03 | mark | how to hack on a qt c++ gui on a c app |
| 15:24.23 | pHluid | I know dick about porting/programming. ;[ |
| 15:24.26 | pHluid | . |
| 15:24.28 | pHluid | see that? |
| 15:24.31 | pHluid | Make that really small |
| 15:24.34 | pHluid | and that's how much I know. |
| 15:24.50 | mark | get George- to do it then |
| 15:31.36 | mark | pHluid: but there is always time to learn to code |
| 15:32.24 | ljp_laptop | ya, george is leet hackor |
| 15:33.33 | mark | :) |
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| 15:45.52 | frankps | hi all |
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| 15:56.36 | chouimat | hi |
| 15:56.41 | mark | hi chouimat |
| 15:57.16 | madcat` | hey |
| 15:57.27 | madcat` | what sound chip does a Zaurus have? |
| 15:58.07 | phoen][x | cat /proc/pci |
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| 15:59.00 | aTypical | I'm back. |
| 16:00.03 | aTypical | When you install packages where should they go? |
| 16:00.14 | phoen][x | madcat`: let me check it |
| 16:02.37 | phoen][x | no /proc/pci :( |
| 16:02.49 | madcat` | wait a second |
| 16:02.55 | madcat` | I don't the zaurus has a pci bus |
| 16:03.01 | madcat` | whats /proc look like? |
| 16:04.02 | phoen][x | i grepped through it - no result |
| 16:04.59 | madcat` | my guess is that it just has a bus, aside from usb and cf, it dosen't have the need for an easily expandable bus |
| 16:07.15 | phoen][x | no information there :/ |
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| 16:22.53 | mark | George-: i've been outbid :( |
| 16:26.01 | aTypical | mark: What are you bidding on? |
| 16:26.56 | mark | a geforce ti 4600 |
| 16:27.18 | aTypical | That's a nice card. |
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| 16:28.25 | aTypical | Are CF and SD cards hot swappable? |
| 16:29.02 | wijnand | yes but you should unmount the filesystem |
| 16:31.52 | QuantumSpin | get an ATI... I like nVidia i've got the 4400... but I don't support nVidia's late scandals of benchmarks and ATI is partial open source with drivers :) |
| 16:32.29 | wijnand | matrox is too, get a parhelia |
| 16:32.33 | aTypical | wijnand: I'm really new to this. How do I install programs? |
| 16:32.57 | wijnand | aTypical: i am not your best source for this... but there should be people here who can help you |
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| 16:33.58 | aTypical | wijnand: OK. Thanks. |
| 16:34.56 | aTypical | Can someone help me install konqueror? I tried and it shows up in my applications but when I try to start it all I get it "Could not start the app..." |
| 16:35.25 | aTypical | Also, it does not show up in my installed packages list. |
| 16:35.38 | TheMasterMind1 | where'd you install it and how |
| 16:37.01 | aTypical | TheMasterMind1: At first I tried from the command line using ipkg, which failed. I next tried from within AQPkg where it finishes but still wont start. |
| 16:37.21 | Twiun | what does "konqueror" output on the command line? |
| 16:38.06 | aTypical | Twiun: "No such file or directory" |
| 16:38.33 | Twiun | sounds like the binary isn't on the path |
| 16:38.41 | Twiun | "find / -name konqueror" |
| 16:39.39 | aTypical | /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/konqueror |
| 16:39.59 | Twiun | ls -l /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/konqueror |
| 16:41.29 | aTypical | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3207168 Jan 1 01:21 /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/konqueror |
| 16:41.46 | wijnand | seems to be an x missing there |
| 16:42.18 | aTypical | wijnand: Yeah it does. :) |
| 16:42.29 | TheMasterMind1 | aTypical: "failed" ? |
| 16:42.30 | TheMasterMind1 | how |
| 16:42.42 | TheMasterMind1 | i'd suggest remove it |
| 16:42.44 | TheMasterMind1 | then reinstall |
| 16:42.48 | TheMasterMind1 | and where are you installing from |
| 16:42.54 | TheMasterMind1 | make sure its the one in the OZ feeds |
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| 16:43.41 | aTypical | TheMasterMind1: I chmod a+x on it, tried to run it and got Bus error. |
| 16:43.52 | TheMasterMind1 | where did you get the ipk for konq |
| 16:45.03 | aTypical | I got it from the OZ stable feeds |
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| 16:54.43 | George- | I AM NOT A LEET HACKER! |
| 16:55.02 | mark | yeh u r |
| 16:55.10 | George- | bleh |
| 16:55.13 | George- | no I'm not :P |
| 16:55.18 | mark | u r0x0rz |
| 16:55.49 | George- | fucker. |
| 16:56.16 | George- | mark: in short, don't buy from ebay unless it's a buy-it-now :) |
| 16:56.22 | mark | George-: why? |
| 16:56.22 | George- | mark: or you'll lose too much hair :) |
| 16:56.24 | ljp_laptop | ibot: George- is NOT a leet hackor |
| 16:56.24 | | ...but george- is already something else... |
| 16:56.31 | ljp_laptop | ibot: George- is also NOT a leet hackor |
| 16:56.32 | | okay, ljp_laptop |
| 16:56.44 | mark | ibot: George- |
| 16:56.44 | | [george-] george- a troll wannabe. NOT a leet hackor |
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| 16:57.43 | George- | <-- howarth has quit ("[BX] If idiots could fly, IRC would be an airport") |
| 16:57.44 | George- | :) |
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| 17:03.10 | chouimat | ~George- |
| 17:03.11 | | extra, extra, read all about it, george- is george- a troll wannabe. NOT a leet hackor |
| 17:05.20 | George- | ~chouimat |
| 17:05.20 | | [chouimat] a quitter |
| 17:05.37 | chouimat|work | George-: don't start it |
| 17:06.05 | George- | ~chouimat also likes sessions with his dog, a car battery and a pair of crocodile clips |
| 17:06.12 | zap-zero | ~ibot |
| 17:06.13 | | i heard ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 17:06.21 | George- | ibot chouimat also likes sessions with his dog, a car battery and a pair of crocodile clips |
| 17:06.22 | | George-: You are moron #3 |
| 17:06.27 | George- | ugh |
| 17:06.31 | George- | ibot chouimat also likes sessions with his dog, a car battery and a pair of croc clips |
| 17:06.32 | | You are moron #4, George- |
| 17:06.46 | George- | ibot: fuck you |
| 17:06.47 | | George-: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:06.48 | George- | ;) |
| 17:11.52 | mark | pHluid: input on a genesis emulator on a Z ouldn't work too well, the screen is thewrong way round |
| 17:12.50 | fliplap | doesn't matter |
| 17:13.11 | George- | mark: scale it the other way then |
| 17:13.24 | mark | George-: it'd then look stuipd |
| 17:13.37 | fliplap | mark: oh well, better not bother then |
| 17:13.49 | fliplap | i mean, wouldn't want it to look dumb and work |
| 17:15.01 | mark | fliplap: erm, no, i wouldn't really |
| 17:15.10 | fliplap | thats the way the NES and gameboy emus work, and they work great |
| 17:16.42 | mark | the gameboy emu only uses a small bit of the screen |
| 17:16.57 | mark | given the fact the gameboy is of a mucher lower resolution |
| 17:19.16 | mark | fliplap: and if I don't want it looking screwed, and I don't want to bother, thats up to me, i dont need any sarcastic coments from you |
| 17:19.34 | fliplap | it looks fine tho, there's plent of resolution to support it |
| 17:21.20 | fliplap | the biggest issue would be making it fast enough to be playable |
| 17:22.55 | fliplap | time for a shower and a bbq |
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| 17:44.12 | pHluid\SI\ | Um |
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| 17:44.16 | pHluid\SI\ | Can't it just be rotated? |
| 17:44.28 | pHluid\SI\ | Genesis native res is 320x200 iirc |
| 17:45.19 | George- | uhm |
| 17:45.28 | George- | I think the Genesis had a 4:3 aspect ratio |
| 17:46.07 | pHluid\SI\ | 320x224 is it's native res |
| 17:46.24 | George- | ibot 224 / 320 * 240 |
| 17:46.25 | | 168 |
| 17:46.41 | George- | so to have it rotated the right way, it'd be 240 x 168 |
| 17:47.18 | pHluid\SI\ | How do the NES emus do it? |
| 17:47.26 | pHluid\SI\ | They should be the same |
| 17:47.57 | pHluid\SI\ | nah, nm, NES is 256x240 |
| 17:48.01 | pHluid\SI\ | which is pretty whacky |
| 17:48.02 | pHluid\SI\ | but whatever |
| 17:48.16 | George- | it'd take up just over half the screen |
| 17:48.27 | George- | (the genesis thingy) |
| 17:48.34 | mark | and rotated the wrong way |
| 17:48.43 | pHluid\SI\ | Yeh, but couldn't it be rotated to fit completely? IE, holding the Z sideways |
| 17:48.43 | George- | mark: how is it rotated the wrong way? |
| 17:48.59 | mark | George-: oh okay, sorry |
| 17:49.23 | mark | scaling down like that is expensive |
| 17:49.35 | George- | mark: resource-wise? |
| 17:49.52 | pHluid\SI\ | ... Like I said, why not rotation? Is that hard to implement or...? |
| 17:50.05 | George- | pHluid\SI\: because the zaurus controls are in the wrong place? :P |
| 17:50.25 | pHluid\SI\ | George: How hard could it be to remap right to be up, etc? |
| 17:50.45 | mark | well the genesis has a bigger screen res |
| 17:50.51 | mark | so rotation doesn't get you all the way |
| 17:50.58 | pHluid\SI\ | Um? |
| 17:51.04 | pHluid\SI\ | Z is 240x320 right? |
| 17:51.07 | George- | pHluid\SI\: it'd still be difficult to use. |
| 17:51.29 | mark | pHluid\SI\: i measured the genesis as 340 by something |
| 17:51.35 | George- | mark: z is 320x240. Genesis is 340x224 |
| 17:51.43 | George- | s/340/320/ |
| 17:52.26 | pHluid\SI\ | George: It's gonna be kinda tricky to use no matter what, really, since the Gen had a 4 button controller + 8-way directional |
| 17:52.32 | George- | ok |
| 17:52.35 | pHluid\SI\ | back to work, bbiaf |
| 17:52.41 | George- | it can't be that expensive to scale it down |
| 17:52.48 | George- | as the pocketpc generator does that |
| 17:53.05 | mark | yeh the buttons are gonna be a pain |
| 17:53.11 | George- | not really |
| 17:53.21 | George- | very few of the games used more than 3 buttons |
| 17:53.36 | George- | and NONE of the games used the 8 way d pad iirc |
| 17:53.55 | George- | most only used the 4 way d pad |
| 17:54.04 | mark | okay so u use the d pad |
| 17:54.18 | George- | and for the 3 buttons |
| 17:54.30 | George- | in fact, the default genesis controller only had 3 buttons |
| 17:54.33 | mark | plus addressbook, cancel and calendar? |
| 17:54.36 | mark | yeh u could get 3 or 6 |
| 17:54.38 | George- | "OK", "Menu" and "Email" |
| 17:54.54 | George- | middle button in the d pad == start |
| 17:54.58 | George- | nah, easy enough |
| 17:55.40 | mark | George-: what pocketpc generator? |
| 17:56.19 | George- | http://www.pocketemulator.com/genesis.html |
| 17:57.21 | mark | is the source there? |
| 17:58.32 | George- | no idea |
| 17:59.04 | mark | doesn't look like it |
| 18:07.34 | George- | is slicker usable yet? |
| 18:08.39 | pHluid | meh |
| 18:08.46 | pHluid | so you're actually working on porting this? you rule. :) |
| 18:09.04 | George- | me? |
| 18:09.53 | pHluid | I'd assume. ;[ |
| 18:09.58 | pHluid | Or mark. Or whoever. Heh. |
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| 18:13.30 | George- | pHluid: shut it :P |
| 18:13.32 | George- | ibot george- |
| 18:13.36 | | you are probably george- a troll wannabe. NOT a leet hackor |
| 18:14.44 | George- | precisely :P |
| 18:15.26 | yeiazel | :)) |
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| 18:34.46 | mark | George-: slicker? |
| 18:37.13 | mark | George-: since i stopped i dont think there has been 1 cvs commit |
| 18:37.50 | treke|home | mark: what about kvim? |
| 18:38.11 | mark | treke|home: gimme a qt3 based Z, i'll give you kvim |
| 18:38.23 | treke|home | hehe |
| 18:39.34 | mark | treke|home: it was just getting too much of a pain |
| 18:39.38 | treke|home | ag |
| 18:39.45 | mark | font handling was horrid |
| 18:39.57 | mark | and there is a b ug somewhere in the qt/e qpainter stuff |
| 18:40.06 | mark | was working fine on X, b0rxed on qt/e |
| 18:44.24 | George- | mark: nice big ego you have there. |
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| 18:51.41 | cdm | morning. |
| 18:52.31 | George- | ok, slicker sucks |
| 18:53.00 | cdm | ibot: seen kergoth |
| 18:53.01 | | i haven't seen 'kergoth ', cdm |
| 18:53.14 | cdm | kergoth: you aren't visibile....I can't see you either. |
| 18:53.38 | treke|home | nerf, heard kergoth |
| 18:53.44 | treke|home | sugar, heard kergoth |
| 18:53.44 | Sugar | treke|home: I last heard kergoth on IRC 86h 47m 22s ago in channel #zaurus saying: :) |
| 18:54.13 | treke|home | cdm: hes in the middle of moving |
| 18:57.30 | cdm | treke: ah. That's right. |
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| 19:21.31 | fdask | with sharp rom 3.10, does the cradle usb connection go down when the unit goes into idle or suspend? |
| 19:25.28 | George- | argh |
| 19:26.00 | Pendalar | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1075 .ipk.bin ? |
| 19:26.12 | George- | # ipkg install xmms-e |
| 19:26.13 | George- | loading conf file /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 19:26.13 | George- | Cannot find package xmms-e. |
| 19:26.13 | George- | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' |
| 19:26.15 | George- | pile of shite |
| 19:29.04 | George- | ARGH |
| 19:29.10 | pHluid | Need to update ipkg. |
| 19:31.17 | George- | pHluid: thanks |
| 19:31.25 | George- | pHluid: is the ipkg that comes with oz 3.2 totally fubar? |
| 19:31.52 | pHluid | the ipkg that comes with * is totally fubar |
| 19:31.58 | George- | haha |
| 19:32.01 | pHluid | it's just a matter of what in particular is fubared in any given one |
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| 19:35.48 | mewyn` | foo |
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| 19:48.21 | Twiun | wb mark|kopete |
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| 20:09.08 | George- | I SNEAK PAST TO.. fuck it |
| 20:09.48 | phoen][x | I NEED HELP WITH TO QUACK |
| 20:10.01 | phoen][x | not long and kergoth will ban us |
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| 20:28.47 | George- | phoen][x: nah, kergoth isn't here :) |
| 20:30.31 | cdm | kergoth is invisible. |
| 20:36.52 | George- | no he's not |
| 20:36.55 | George- | I can see him. |
| 20:43.43 | treke|home | we arent that lucky |
| 20:43.50 | treke|home | george will never get banned |
| 20:45.23 | cdm | no, his is invisible. |
| 20:47.29 | treke|home | cool. you could have used a real OS and had it working last year :) |
| 20:49.27 | cdm | a "real" OS? |
| 20:49.29 | cdm | hahaha... |
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| 20:51.34 | treke|home | yes. Windows CE |
| 20:51.49 | cdm | is there a WinCE port to the Z yet? |
| 20:51.55 | cdm | I heard Sharp was doing one. |
| 20:51.56 | treke|home | no clue |
| 20:53.09 | pHluid | Why even bother? |
| 20:53.19 | pHluid | There's superiour WinCE devices for the money out there... |
| 20:53.29 | pHluid | The Zaurus' strength is it's OS |
| 20:53.42 | treke|home | pHluid: WinCE on the c7xx line would be nice |
| 20:53.44 | cdm | pHluid: superiour in which way? |
| 20:53.48 | treke|home | pHluid: hehehe thats a good one |
| 20:54.04 | pHluid | Please. |
| 20:54.13 | treke|home | cdm: app availability, sync quality, and stability |
| 20:54.24 | pHluid | Or hardware level. |
| 20:54.35 | cdm | treke: but none of those would be relavent if it ran PPC2002. |
| 20:54.39 | pHluid | You can get a WinCE device with integrated bluetooth/802.11b |
| 20:54.43 | pHluid | etc |
| 20:54.49 | cdm | pHluid: sure, but you pay for that big time. |
| 20:54.52 | pHluid | For the price you pay on a Z. |
| 20:54.53 | treke|home | cdm is rather dense isnt he :) |
| 20:54.59 | pHluid | Um. |
| 20:55.03 | pHluid | cdm. |
| 20:55.22 | cdm | pHluid: All the PPC2002's with 802.11b integrated are pretty pricy still. |
| 20:55.22 | pHluid | A 5600 is $450-500 retail. |
| 20:55.36 | treke|home | pHluid: So is a C700 in japan. |
| 20:55.48 | treke|home | A 640x480 screen with keyboard could be a major seller |
| 20:55.56 | pHluid | For the buggy version of the XScale with an SD slot that's not SDIO capable etc |
| 20:56.28 | pHluid | C700 is a different entity, I'd have to see what Sharp introduces them at (if they ever do) in the states as far as price goes |
| 20:57.06 | treke|home | pHluid: Do we even know if the SD slot on the 5600 isnt capable of SDIO? |
| 20:57.07 | cdm | christ, $500? |
| 20:57.34 | cdm | considering the PXA250 costs less / unit then the SA1110. |
| 20:57.40 | pHluid | treke: The rumour is that the hardware is, just no software support for it.... so that's a good point, it might be available at a later point. |
| 20:58.05 | treke|home | pHluid: No point in developing an SD-IO capable driver when there wont be any drivers for components |
| 20:58.11 | cdm | pHluid: all the PXA based PDAs are 250's still AFAIK. |
| 20:58.16 | pHluid | cdm: Wrong. |
| 20:58.27 | pHluid | cdm: Have you even done any research on other PDA's lately? :) |
| 20:59.17 | treke|home | cdm: There are some 255 based ones |
| 20:59.21 | treke|home | cdm: Dell has one |
| 20:59.40 | treke|home | compaq is still using 250s. |
| 21:00.10 | pHluid | I *think* the Tungsten C's are 255, also, though I might be wrong on that one |
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| 21:00.21 | cdm | Palm isn't using PXAs at all. |
| 21:00.26 | cdm | they are using OMAPs. |
| 21:00.42 | cdm | Compaq and Toshiba are still using the PXA250's. |
| 21:00.47 | cdm | I think the 54xx iPaq is 255. |
| 21:00.55 | cdm | but it is really expensive. |
| 21:01.03 | pHluid | suddenly you're so knowledgeable on them. :P |
| 21:01.15 | treke|home | the 5400 was 250 last, I heard, but they might have snuck some in with the 255 |
| 21:01.16 | cdm | pHluid: nah - I have all of 'em but a 54xx. |
| 21:01.42 | cdm | 3150, 3650, 3670, 3870, 3970 |
| 21:02.09 | pHluid | cdm: Tungsten C is PXA, Tungsten T is OMAP |
| 21:02.10 | cdm | but I didn't realize they had jacked the prices up $100 for the 5600. |
| 21:02.18 | pHluid | Tungsten W is the ancient Dragonball |
| 21:02.51 | treke|home | what is the sense in that? |
| 21:03.28 | pHluid | I'm not familiar with the OMAP's |
| 21:03.32 | pHluid | so I can't really comment ;[ |
| 21:03.32 | cdm | treke: clearing out old stock? ;) |
| 21:03.51 | pHluid | Well the W is the "budget" model, so using the cheap ass Dragonball in it makes sense |
| 21:04.00 | chouimat|nap | hi cdm |
| 21:04.01 | treke|home | three cpus in three shipping products just seems odd :) |
| 21:04.03 | cdm | pHluid: they have a nice little TI DSP co-processor you can stream data back and forth into. Nice for doing video/audio codecs with near 0% CPU usage. |
| 21:04.05 | pHluid | Offering the T and C with different processors is pretty weird, though |
| 21:04.20 | pHluid | cdm: Other than that it's a PXA isn't it? |
| 21:04.24 | cdm | no. |
| 21:04.37 | cdm | they are a license-ee of the ARM RTL. |
| 21:04.49 | pHluid | Totally seperate design, then, not just a DSP stuck onto it? |
| 21:04.56 | cdm | until Intel, which is still extending out a pure ISA license (based on Digital's work). |
| 21:05.32 | cdm | so Intel pays a single, annual fee to ARM while TI (and pretty much everyone else doing ARM besides Intel) have to pay for each CPU. |
| 21:05.34 | pHluid | Ah so wait, ARM isn't an intel tech? |
| 21:05.50 | cdm | pHluid: hell, no. ARM Inc. Based in England. |
| 21:05.56 | pHluid | Huh. |
| 21:06.02 | pHluid | Learn something new every day :) |
| 21:06.11 | pHluid | I thought it was an Intel thing that they licensed out |
| 21:06.16 | cdm | and Intel didn't even come up with the XScale/StrongARM - they just happened to get it as part of thier buy-out of Digital. |
| 21:06.30 | pHluid | THat part I did know |
| 21:06.47 | cdm | unfortunatly they have also not matched things well. considering how old the 200Mhz SA1110 is. |
| 21:06.56 | pHluid | Heh. |
| 21:07.00 | cdm | they have let everyone else catch-up with the huge progress Digital made. |
| 21:07.01 | pHluid | Like HP and the Alpha. ;[ |
| 21:07.29 | cdm | I mean, when Digital was first making 206Mhz SA's the ARM Inc. versions where still 30-40Mhz. |
| 21:07.31 | pHluid | whoopass little processor that was acquired and then allowed to stagnate |
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| 21:08.11 | pHluid | ARM a subsidiary of something? Or was it a startup? |
| 21:08.25 | cdm | it was a startup more then 15 years ago. |
| 21:08.35 | cdm | branched out of Acron. |
| 21:08.39 | cdm | Acorn even. |
| 21:08.55 | cdm | WinCE was designed for the ARM in fact. |
| 21:08.56 | pHluid | There a website for them? |
| 21:09.00 | cdm | www.arm.com |
| 21:09.09 | pHluid | Figures |
| 21:09.18 | cdm | they are only the most successfull SoC/IP vendor in the world. |
| 21:09.25 | pHluid | googling for arm incorporated got me a bunch of like wil-arm and etc companies |
| 21:09.45 | treke|home | just google for arm |
| 21:09.51 | treke|home | they are the first thing to come up :) |
| 21:12.20 | pHluid | Heh, they're in a lot of stuff. |
| 21:12.23 | chouimat | pHluid: and if you order the evalution cd for their tools you will got the ARM Architecture Reference Manual as a pdf for free |
| 21:12.54 | pHluid | chouimat: Is it good for anything other than reading at work? |
| 21:13.30 | chouimat | pHluid: learning arm assembly :) |
| 21:13.46 | pHluid | choui: I should probably learn C or something first. :) |
| 21:14.06 | pHluid | Or anything more involving than a shell script. |
| 21:14.06 | pHluid | ;[ |
| 21:14.16 | cdm | great book. |
| 21:14.29 | chouimat | cdm: yup but at 85 CAD is a little eexpensive |
| 21:14.41 | chouimat | and add the taxes |
| 21:14.55 | cdm | chouimat: QNX bought me my copy. |
| 21:15.24 | pHluid | cdm: Wait, are you the one porting QNX onto the iPAQ/Z? |
| 21:16.11 | chouimat | cdm: lucky you ... since I'm self-employedd I must pay fro everything and I can't put books as business expence :( |
| 21:22.04 | cdm | pHluid: maybe? ;) |
| 21:22.13 | cdm | pHluid: http://qnx.wox.org/qnx/screenshots/zaurus/ |
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| 21:22.24 | pHluid | Yeh, I've seen the screeners |
| 21:22.29 | pHluid | How far along is that project? |
| 21:22.50 | cdm | I got read-write flash (devf-zaurus) working lastnight. |
| 21:23.01 | cdm | next up will be touch-screen. |
| 21:24.12 | George- | YOU ALL SUCK DICK! |
| 21:24.14 | George- | er. hi |
| 21:24.44 | cdm | pHluid: So hopefully next weekend/week I will have an eQip build that includes it. |
| 21:25.03 | pHluid | Nice, I'm looking forward to it |
| 21:25.10 | George- | dood, QNX on the Z? |
| 21:25.10 | treke|home | George-: uhm, that was completly un called for. shut up and go away |
| 21:25.20 | George- | treke|home: :) |
| 21:25.28 | pHluid | Though it'd be moving my poor Z further into the realm of hard-to-find-apps-for |
| 21:25.28 | pHluid | heh |
| 21:25.30 | George- | treke|home: bash.org quotes took control of me :P |
| 21:26.02 | cdm | George-: dood, yes. |
| 21:26.14 | cdm | 5500 at first, until I get a 5600 and C7xx. |
| 21:26.26 | George- | 5000D? |
| 21:26.36 | cdm | I don't have one. |
| 21:26.42 | cdm | but it mostly seems to be an issue of DRAM size. |
| 21:26.44 | George- | gay |
| 21:26.51 | George- | that's the only issue :) |
| 21:26.55 | cdm | then it is no issue. |
| 21:27.07 | George- | oh? |
| 21:27.20 | cdm | it is all auto-detected on boot. |
| 21:27.22 | George- | what exactly is QNX anyway? |
| 21:27.24 | cdm | so the same boot image. |
| 21:27.26 | cdm | will work. |
| 21:27.34 | cdm | George-: it's an OS. |
| 21:27.38 | cdm | RTOS to be exact. |
| 21:27.50 | cdm | George-: http://www.qnx.com/, http://qnx.wox.org/qnx/screenshots/ |
| 21:32.54 | cdm | George-: feel free to ask me any questions, etc. |
| 21:32.58 | George- | k |
| 21:33.08 | George- | what's a real time os? :) |
| 21:33.51 | mutexer | anyone know a way to run linux from a window in windows? |
| 21:33.53 | cdm | George-: it means an OS that ensures that important things in the system are never held up. |
| 21:34.16 | cdm | George-: so if you have to service a bit of hardware within N us, each and every single time or a person would die, you need an RTOS. |
| 21:34.49 | George- | surely linux can do that with the nice>? |
| 21:34.55 | yeiazel | no |
| 21:34.55 | cdm | hahaha... |
| 21:34.57 | cdm | you wish. |
| 21:35.12 | George- | hrmm, ok :) |
| 21:35.14 | treke|home | George-: linux cant guarantee it will happen |
| 21:35.22 | George- | treke|home: ok |
| 21:35.29 | cdm | George-: so it might work 9/10 or 99/100 but that isn't acceptable. |
| 21:35.33 | George- | cdm: what's the point of having QNX on a PDA then? |
| 21:35.35 | yeiazel | theorically, rtlinux can :) |
| 21:36.15 | yeiazel | George-: accessing the drawpad immediately when you need it |
| 21:36.18 | cdm | George-: well, QNX is also an embedded OS. Honestly much more suited to a PDA environment then Linux. |
| 21:36.26 | yeiazel | to write phone numbers and so... |
| 21:36.27 | yeiazel | :p |
| 21:36.34 | George- | yeiazel: hahahahahaha |
| 21:37.14 | treke|home | besides, since when did there have to be a point to porting? :p |
| 21:37.24 | cdm | George-: plus we have customers. |
| 21:37.55 | George- | cdm: hehe |
| 21:39.49 | mutexer | with a realtime embedded OS in your PDA you could connect it to a dummy missle and launch it |
| 21:40.21 | pHluid | Well it's about time |
| 21:40.22 | cdm | hahaha... |
| 21:40.50 | pHluid | I swear, if I'd had to hardcode launch coordinates and fire using an electric match an a 9-volt one more time, I would've lost it |
| 21:40.59 | mutexer | :) |
| 21:41.53 | mutexer | >>Windows CE connecting to Missile.....Window General Protection Fault....System change.... explode then launch |
| 21:42.44 | mutexer | >>Linux connecting to missile..... waiting on user to finish minesweeper.... |
| 21:46.57 | doughecka | no, qasteroids |
| 21:47.06 | zap-zero | thermonuclear war. |
| 21:47.17 | doughecka | how about a nice game of chess? |
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| 22:02.53 | chouimat | hmmm nice conversation |
| 22:03.08 | chouimat | cdm: eta for qnx on the zaurus ? |
| 22:03.40 | doughecka | and again I ask, whats qnx? :P |
| 22:04.16 | chouimat | doughecka: George- you cann change your nick :) |
| 22:04.26 | _Psycho | its a real time OS that run photon |
| 22:04.29 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:04.31 | _Psycho | www.qnx.com |
| 22:04.40 | doughecka | cool |
| 22:05.11 | _Psycho | Nice use in industrial production where you need insane speed |
| 22:05.23 | chouimat | _Psycho: yup |
| 22:05.45 | _Psycho | like when you have to scan 30-40 things /sec then calculate stuff then analyse it etc etc |
| 22:06.08 | _Psycho | Put that on a pc combined with like a Matrox Meteor 2 frame grabber for image analysis and stuff |
| 22:06.11 | _Psycho | nice stuff |
| 22:07.59 | doughecka | ghe |
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| 22:12.49 | cdm | chouimat: first drop without all the drivers, likly next weekend/week. |
| 22:13.00 | cdm | chouimat: maybe soon if I can get touch screen working quickly. |
| 22:13.05 | chouimat | cdm: ok cool |
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