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01:00.28Marsupilami23Has anyone used the opie-remote app?
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01:08.12rovitotvstmpynode: helllooooooo
01:08.40stmpynode:)
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02:29.11Marsupilami23anyone know where to get nano for my Z?
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02:49.34aTypical_Hello.  Is anyone using their Zaurus on Mandrake-9.1?
02:51.40rovitotvaTypical_ : The Z will work with any version of Linux, it really does not matter which distro.  Just load ssh, usb networking on the desktop side and away you go.
02:51.43aTypical_Darn thing just doesn't want to work.
02:52.13aTypical_rovitotv: Are you using a desktop of some sort?
02:52.44rovitotvaTypical_ No I just use ssh and scp to do all my stuff.  Didn't even know there was a desktop version.
02:53.06rovitotvaTypical_: Of course I have only had my Z for 3 days.
02:53.33aTypical_rovitotv: OK.  I've had mine 2.
02:54.22rovitotvaTypical_: Cool you are a newbee too :-)
02:54.53rovitotvaTypical_ : which rom are you running? I have OZ 3.2, seems to work good for me so far.
02:55.33aTypical_rovitotv: I'm still on Sharp's.  I can't get my CF or SD until tomorrow.
02:57.15rovitotvaTypical_: I am just using mine for a PDA (with capability to play mp3's), so far I am very happy with it.  The data conversion from my Palm didn't go well.  So I have resorted to beaming my contacts over one at a time.
03:02.54aTypical_Can I browse the web with it while it's in the cradle?
03:03.56rovitotvaTypical_ Yes if you set up the ipmasq stuff.
03:04.07rovitotvaTypical_ on the client side.
03:04.35rovitotvaTypical_ meaning desktop side
03:14.47warmiyou guys have 5500s ?
03:15.01aTypical_warmi: Yeah.
03:15.12rovitotvwarmi: yes I do, what do you have?
03:15.28warmiwell, I thought you were talkinga bout 5600
03:15.47chouimat|Zzzznight
03:15.48warmiI have 5000d ... a developers model with only 32 MBs of Ram
03:15.52aTypical_Too expensive.
03:17.07warmiwell, yeah ... one can get equivalent PocketPCs for $200 these days
03:17.13warmi5600 is definately overpriced
03:17.20rovitotvwarmi: The 5600 are expensive, how long have you had your 5000d?  Do you find the lack of memory a problem.
03:17.44warmiI got my Z in April 2002 or something like that
03:17.56ljp_laptoponly when you want to install lots of apps
03:18.06ljp_laptopor run handcome stuff
03:18.15warmithe only problem I had was when trying to run stuff like KOnqueror or Palm emulator etc
03:18.23ljp_laptopI've had a 5000d since dec 2001
03:19.05rovitotvwarmi: Damn there is a palm emulator?  Man I have to try that! Then I would not have to give up my palm PDA apps.
03:19.30rovitotvljp_laptop: Wow, you have been in this for a long time.
03:19.35warmihttp://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=122
03:19.47warmihttp://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=236
03:19.56warmithere are actually two Palm emulators
03:20.57warmirovitotv : from what I heard niether of them is fast enough for every day usage as a Palm device
03:21.39rovitotvwarmi: That is not good, there just went the thought of using the PIM apps from my Palm :-(
03:21.48warmiwell, try it
03:22.09rovitotvwarmi: Ok I will give that I shot, thanks for the information.
03:22.13warmibtw.. it would be rather strange to buy Zaurus to run Palm stuff thru emulator :-)
03:22.53rovitotvwarmi: I would still be on a Palm if my wife had not killed her Palm, so I figured I will give her my Palm and buy a Z for myself.
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03:23.07warmitry to get used to Zaurus PDA apps .. perhaps eventually you will be able to find some replacement apps for whatever you were using on your Palm
03:23.16ljp_laptopyep. my 500d was loaded with pre 1.02
03:23.23ljp_laptopdidnt have a version
03:24.15rovitotvwarmi: I like the Palm it never crashes very simple, but at the same time I hate its lack of features.  All I was using was the standard PIM stuff.
03:25.28warmiyeah , well .. but it is cheap and does well standard PIM stuff
03:25.44rovitotvThe idea of carrying around PERL and GCC is very appealing, all though I don't know how practical it is.
03:25.50warmizaurus is more like a mini computer than PDA
03:26.03oGMozaurus makes a good pda too
03:26.46warmiman , you can get 1 GB CF card these days .. frankly, with 200 MHZ and some sort of wireless you can walk around with a full blown http server and serve stuff
03:27.03warmiI don't know what would be point of that but it seems cool :-)
03:27.03oGMoyeah
03:27.09oGMohehe
03:27.55warmiwhoa , there are 859 apps on killefiz
03:28.15oGMomost of them gpl or the like, too
03:28.28warmido you guys know ... is TKC still releasing stuff for the zaurus ?
03:28.37oGMoi'd imagine
03:28.51oGMoin fact i heard they were supposed to be updating their stuff to 3.10
03:29.56warmiI recently read a nasty post about Boss on zaurus.dev
03:30.14oGMohmm i didn't notice
03:30.17warmiuh .. something titled "I will never buy tkc stuff again" or something like that
03:30.27oGMooh, maybe i did ;)
03:30.50oGMoi didn't really read it though, cuz it didn't concern me ... i wouldn't have bought tkc stuff in the first place ;)
03:31.03ljp_laptopohhhh.. hmm wheres that/. hmm
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03:31.52ljp_laptopnothiun like a good tkc flame
03:33.20warmican't find it
03:33.47oGMoyou probably meant zaurus-general, too
03:34.37oGMobut i'm not seeing it
03:34.44oGMoi swear i remember seeing something like that though
03:34.44warmisomeone was complaining that tkc won't let them transfer ownership of couple of tkc apps to another user
03:34.47warmisomething like that
03:35.12warmibasically some guy was selling his Z and wanted to sell tkc stuff with it ( and the support acount etc )
03:35.28warmionce BigBoss found out about it he blocked his acount
03:35.30warmistuff like that
03:35.31oGMo> I too found tkc to be lacking in customer service. I asked about
03:36.11ljp_laptopthey have customer service?
03:36.36oGMothe general consensus appears to indicate the negative on that one ;)
03:36.50warmiwell, there is BigBoss - he reads all that email
03:36.58warmifrankly I heard conflicting accounts
03:37.03warmisome people swear by it
03:37.05warmiothers hate it
03:37.06ljp_laptopI got banned from the tkc list
03:37.23oGMothis person seems to indicate he said "just ask questions" (no demos/refunds) and then never answered any questions ;)
03:37.45oGMoi dunno
03:38.03oGMotheir descriptions for their apps generally don't indicate any reason to actually buy them
03:38.09rovitotvAre the tkc pim apps good?
03:38.20stmpynodei bought the tkcaddress
03:38.26stmpynodeand i like it
03:38.31warmimy only complain about tck stuff is lack of demos
03:38.42oGMoi usually see stuff like "oh it looks prettier" or "we have more columns", and i'll be damned if i pay $10-20 for something i could write in an hour or a weekend
03:38.48oGMoespecially if i get no source
03:39.00warmiwell, you can't write a good pim in a weekend
03:39.08warmimore like 4-5 months
03:39.12oGMoeh
03:39.13oGModepends ;)
03:39.16warmiand we talking here full time job :-)
03:39.31warmiwell, I am not talking about perl script either ;-)
03:39.34oGMoif i could get Ruby cross compiled, and i wrote a decent QtE UI handler, i could easily have a decent PIM in a weekend
03:39.40warmia full blown pim
03:39.45oGMoQtE handler for Mephle
03:40.01warmiwell, I am talking about complete package .. stuff that talks to desktop, outlook etc
03:40.03oGMowarmi, with Mephle, I can basically write a class and use it directly, and that's all the work i have to do
03:40.18oGMoso i can go "class Contact; ... end" and then i have a contact
03:40.58warmiwell, one thing for sure .. tkc stuff looks great on screenshots
03:41.03oGMo(it makes the UI, handles storage, does network communication, automatically)
03:41.15oGMoyeah, but screenshots aren't worth diddly
03:41.24oGMoi would pay for a _good_ PIM
03:41.44oGMobut it would have to be _damn_ good
03:42.11warmisomebody should basically clone best Palm PIM and related apps
03:42.32warmiljp_laptop are you still around ?
03:42.36ljp_laptopya
03:42.59warmiwhen are you going to AU ?
03:43.32ljp_laptopdunno. waiting for visa still. could be 2 to 16 weeks, warwick said
03:43.39warmiah ok
03:44.04warmiwell, anyone else from OPIE/OZ crew that landed Linux related job ?
03:44.09warmiheh
03:44.34warmiljp_laptop what will be your official title ?
03:44.46ljp_laptopkergoth and riker work for TI now
03:44.56ljp_laptop'Qtopia COmmunity Liason' ;)
03:45.01warmiyeah, I knew about Kergoth
03:45.07warmioh yeah .. right , you mentioned that before
03:45.30warmithey will let you code , right ?
03:45.34rovitotvIs TI going to come out with a PDA that uses Qtopia?
03:45.57warmirovitotv : yeah
03:45.59warmior so they say
03:46.26warmikergoth doesn't want to say anything anymore .. NDA, NDA and NDA :-)
03:46.39ljp_laptoptrolltech will let me work on opie, yes
03:46.52rovitotvwarmi: Cool
03:47.00TheMasterMind1warmi: heh
03:47.04warmithis is bordering on well .. very strange ..
03:47.15ljp_laptopwhat is?
03:47.21warmithey hire main competitor to Qtopia and then will let them work on competing product ..
03:47.32warmicause if you look at it .. OPIE is a competition to Qtopia :-)
03:47.34fliplapmaybe they plan to use OZ
03:47.48fliplapor at least a lot of code from it
03:47.50warmiwell, I am talking about ljp and his job at Trolls
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03:47.57fliplapah
03:47.58warmiTrolls don't care about OZ
03:48.02rovitotvI am sure they can steal some ideas from opie
03:48.09fliplapi thought you meant the TI gig
03:48.10warmiwell, they can do it now
03:48.14warmiOPIE is open source
03:48.24ljp_laptopthey see opie more as they see kde
03:48.26fliplapperhaps they recognize the skill
03:48.44rovitotvDoes Trolltech actually make money?
03:48.49ljp_laptopyes
03:48.57ljp_laptopthey are expanding'
03:49.23warmiljp_laptop well, that is not exactly the same thing ... it would be more like Qt vs Harmony
03:49.38warmiyeah, I wish trolls best
03:49.46warmithey make pretty much the best OO tollkit on the market
03:50.09ljp_laptopon the TT website it states they are pre IPO
03:50.34fliplapyeah, they don't strike me as a company that is ready to go public
03:50.40fliplapi'm happy google decided not to
03:51.03ljp_laptopa lot of companies are waiting for better economy
03:53.57TimRikerrovitotv: not in so many words....
03:54.57TimRikerTI is looking at OPIE and working on a device that will use Linux and Qt. is that enough info?
03:55.21ljp_laptophhehee
03:55.24warmias long as it uses QTe .. that's all I need to know :-0
03:55.24ljp_laptopno
03:55.54rovitotvSure, I don't mean to be nosey, just wondering....how long my Z will be around before I have to buy something else.
03:55.59TimRikerwarmi: looking for work? resumes to Tim@TI.com ;-)
03:56.25warmihehe
03:56.28TheMasterMind1hmmm
03:56.34TheMasterMind1i got word back from dynamism
03:56.36ljp_laptopyou guys still looking, eh?
03:56.36warminah .. I am happy with my current job :-)
03:56.47TimRikerljp_laptop: yep.
03:56.52TimRiker~seen dwm
03:56.53TimRiker: i haven't seen 'dwm'
03:57.21TimRiker~seen drw
03:57.21drw <~drw@66.226.220.194> was last seen on IRC in channel #opie, 11h 37m 2s ago, saying: 'hey TimRiker! woohoo!'.
03:57.21ljp_laptopI told fastolfe when he was here. but wasnt interested
03:57.40TimRikerljp_laptop: I think he has visa issues too.
03:57.59TimRikerplus I don't know how well bare feet and shorts would go over here.
03:57.59ljp_laptopmost opie devs are in university
03:58.08warmihehe .. it is not a good idea for a french to go to texas these days :-)
03:58.09ljp_laptophehehe
03:58.56warmiTimRiker: one more thing ... will that be general PDA or some sort of specialized niche device ?
03:59.00TimRiker~brando
03:59.05it has been said that brando is sells/exports the Sharp Zaurus and other electronics http://shop.brando.com.hk/ or mailto:brando@brando.com.hk.  C700 $500, C750 $533, C760 $633 USD, use email for zaurus orders
03:59.05TimRiker~dynamism
03:59.05methinks dynamism is a site that sells english Sharp Zaurii C700's http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/
03:59.18TheMasterMind1hmm
03:59.32TimRikerwarmi: http://education.ti.com/
03:59.46warmiahh
03:59.53TheMasterMind1hmm, thats definitely a lot cheaper than dynamism
04:00.01TheMasterMind1no warranty though
04:00.07TimRiker~brando is also plus shipping
04:00.08TimRiker: okay
04:00.42ljp_laptopall I know, is this waiting sucks
04:00.56TimRiker~brando is also no warranty and japanese sortware.
04:00.57TimRiker: okay
04:01.14TimRiker~spell sortware
04:01.15possible spellings for sortware: sort ware sort-ware software stare wetware softwares Sartre shortwave stemware stoneware outwore Starr sorter starer Steward Stewart steward stowage hardware striae sorta sorters store swore sortable
04:01.16TimRikerhehe
04:01.17warmiljp_laptop well, at least you are waiting for a job .. I know people who still wait for offers , frankly anything :-)
04:01.34TimRikerwarmi: any of them qt developers? ;-)
04:01.56warmiTimRikker: there aren't that many of them out there
04:02.17TimRikerwarmi: nod.   Nick<tab> will save you typing.
04:02.33ljp_laptopriker: if my visa gets denied, do I get another chance?
04:02.38ljp_laptop:)
04:02.48warmiTimRiker hehe
04:02.51TimRikerljp_laptop: you going to interview better this time around? ;-)
04:02.53TheMasterMind1jeez, brando is offering the c760 for really cheap
04:03.06ljp_laptopprobably.
04:03.22ljp_laptopI dont expect it will get denied though
04:03.23TimRikerTheMasterMind1: that was pricing quoted in email... he did not have any yet.
04:03.37rovitotvI am looking for a job (no I am not a qt developer) and I consider myself pretty skilled with a degree (I have 1.5 years of my masters done) and I can't find a job, it sucks....the most trouble I have ever had finding a job
04:03.49warmiTimRiker if you are looking for qt devs then scan killefiz for software and if you find something you like get in touch with the author ... :-)
04:03.52TimRikerljp_laptop: good luck. ;-) after all I want to bug you for fixes as we find them. ;-)
04:04.08ljp_laptopsure thing.
04:04.23TimRikerwarmi: have folks doing some of that. will keep at it. ;-)
04:05.45ljp_laptoptoo bad sandman has a g-friend that doesnt want to leave
04:06.23TimRiker~change japan
04:06.28TimRiker~change for japan
04:06.44TimRiker~change 633 usd to jpy
04:07.36warmiTimRiker :you guys are only looking for  Full-time employes   .. no contracting ?
04:07.52TheMasterMind1633 vs 799.. quite a difference
04:08.15warmiTheMasterMind1 : do you still believe sharp will relase any of 7xxx models in US ?
04:08.17ljp_laptopyou would need to be in dallas
04:08.32TheMasterMind1warmi: no, i never believed that in the first place
04:08.43TimRikerhttp://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/030516.html - "With pre-installed presentation software, users can hook the Zaurus up to a projector for presentations at a client?s office.
04:08.47TimRikerhuh?
04:08.54TheMasterMind1TimRiker: hehe
04:09.05warmiTheMasterMind1 oh .. so it was somebody else :-) sorry ;-)
04:09.05TheMasterMind1i think they're talking about hancompresenter
04:09.07TheMasterMind1nothing new
04:09.35TheMasterMind1hmm, the c750 looks really nice, fixed proc and decent amount of ram and flash.. only thing i don't like is the color
04:09.46TheMasterMind1and the 8 hour battery in the c760 looks damn tempting
04:09.59warmioh well
04:10.00TimRikerhttp://www.iodata.com/usa/products/Graphic/CFXGA.html <- ahhh
04:10.33TheMasterMind1thats actually a really sweet card.. can do 800x600
04:10.35warmiTheMasterMind1 you already have C700 right ?
04:10.45TheMasterMind1warmi: nope
04:11.52warmiwell, they claim it can do 1024x768
04:13.11warmiljp_laptop : is kergoth already in texas ?
04:13.11TheMasterMind1insane
04:13.21warmimust be cause I don't see him in the room :-)
04:13.33warmioh .. never mind
04:13.40TheMasterMind1hrm
04:13.44TheMasterMind1it supports TVs too?
04:13.55TheMasterMind113) Supported display resolutions for S-video / TV output
04:13.58TheMasterMind1wow, i want one
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04:14.07ljp_laptopwarmi: he left today
04:14.48warmiljp_laptop : well, one thing is for sure - you guys both deserved your jobs :-)
04:15.06TheMasterMind1remote control too
04:15.10TheMasterMind1and its only $175
04:15.11TheMasterMind1mnnnnnnn
04:15.16TheMasterMind1definitely getting one
04:15.20warmiTheMasterMind1 yeah, 175 is pretty cheap
04:15.37TheMasterMind1heh, was that sarcastic?
04:15.39ljp_laptopwarmi: I agree.
04:15.51warmiTheMasterMind1 no .. 175 is not bad
04:16.01warmiljp_laptop :-)
04:16.10ljp_laptopI just want to get there and start
04:16.29warmiljp_laptop, TimRiker : talk to NeoWork .. he has done some Qte/multimedia/graphics stuff
04:16.42warmimaybe he will be interested in working on this new stuff
04:16.43ljp_laptophe works for real
04:16.50TheMasterMind1so is the c760 worth the extra 100 and month's wait?
04:16.55warmiwell, he "hates" working for real ;-)
04:16.57ljp_laptopas in realnetworks
04:17.03ljp_laptopoh does he
04:17.44warmiwell, maybe not hates but he does some web stuff
04:17.45TheMasterMind1TI sounds like a fun place to work
04:18.02ljp_laptopfun?!
04:18.24ljp_laptopit would be a great job
04:18.35warmiTheMasterMind1 any company that is working on a new product is a fun place to work ..
04:18.42warmifor couple of months :-)
04:19.17TimRikerwarmi: k. thanx.
04:19.33warmiljp_laptop : why didn't you apply for a position at TI ?
04:22.35ljp_laptopI did. I even interviewed. but I was already offered the TT job, so I wasnt enthusuastic about it
04:23.07warmiyeah, well, working for TT is hard to beat indeed
04:23.18ljp_laptopI can wear shorts and bare feet at TT ;)
04:23.42ljp_laptopeither job would be wonderful
04:23.53warmiwell, I used to wear my pyjamas bottom at my previous consulting company .. :-)  but that was back in the day when everything was allowed :-)
04:24.03warmithese days I can only get away with tshirt
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04:24.33warmion the other hand I don't work for a technology company these days
04:24.44warmiTribune is rather old-fashioned corporation :-)
04:24.48ljp_laptopyou probably could work got TT
04:24.51ljp_laptoprerr TI
04:25.04ljp_laptopwork for TI that is
04:25.04TimRikerand s/got/at/
04:25.10ljp_laptopheh
04:25.11TimRikerah
04:25.17ljp_laptopmy mind.. its gone
04:25.27warmiin AU already ?
04:25.28warmiheh
04:25.34ljp_laptophehe seems to be
04:25.55ljp_laptopmy familiy got me a digital camera as a going away present
04:26.03warmiwell, anyway .. I am bit more on PocketPC these days .. I ported parts of qte to PPC and I write my code there and then back port to the zaurus :-)
04:26.14ljp_laptophmmm
04:26.44warmithe only problems is that Qte collection classes are just too damn tough on poor PPC heap manager
04:27.17warmiPPC is known for is shitty heap management and extensive use of QLists etc causes all kinds of problems on PPC devices :-)
04:27.19ljp_laptopqte3?
04:27.39warmiqt2
04:28.06ljp_laptopstill. thats cool
04:28.11warmidoesn't really matter .. extensive use of QStringList causes PPC to slow down to a crawl
04:28.21warmiwhile on the zaurus it runs as if nothing was happening
04:28.22ljp_laptophmm
04:28.31warmibasically crappy heap managment
04:28.43warmithe way around it is to preallocate memory and manage it yourself
04:28.50warmibasically don't use "new" :-)
04:28.58ljp_laptopnewNew
04:29.25warmiMS even warns about it
04:29.31ljp_laptophehehe
04:29.42ljp_laptopwonderful
04:29.58warmiyeah, basically there are times that you can run out of virtual memory before you run out of physical .. if you can believe that
04:30.11warmianyway, you have to be much more carefull with PPC than with the zaurus
04:30.52ljp_laptopyou have qte apps running on ppc?
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04:31.32warminot really, I didn't port entire qte .. just non-gui parts .. like collection classes, Qt string and all that related stuff
04:31.52warmiI wrote my own GUI on top of that which is sort of like qte but much simpler
04:31.56warmienough for my games
04:32.07warmiit allows me to create transparent windows etc .. fancy stuff
04:32.12cdmwarmi: I can belive it - WinCE's runtime model is silly.
04:33.00ljp_laptopcool
04:33.14warmiand also the same GUI runs on top of Zaurus framebuffer which allows me to basically recompile my code on zaurus ( on top of ZSurface )
04:33.28warmiI ported Puzz-le to PPC that way
04:33.38warmiand now I am porting ZRaid to Zaurus :-)  the other way around
04:34.41warmicdm: you done some coding for PPC ?
04:36.30warmiif anyone cares this is MS "warning " article about PPC memory stuff - >http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dncenet/html/advmemmgmt.asp
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04:40.01find_mewho is giving cheap zaurus ?
04:40.28warmi?
04:40.33warmigiving ?
04:40.41find_megiving = buying
04:40.45find_meoffering
04:43.21warmitiger direct
04:43.39warmilast time I heard they were selling 5500s for 199 or so
04:44.17find_me3 times i asked the same question on this channel, 3 times i got the answer as tigerdirect.
04:44.51warmiwell, you don't like that answer ?
04:45.01warmihttp://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-Details.asp?sku=S213-1076%20P
04:46.02find_mejust was checking out if there was any one else.
04:47.27TimRiker~tigerdirect
04:48.12warmiyou mean you looking for even better price /
04:48.14warmi?
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04:49.07TimRiker~tigerdirect is selling refurbished Zaurus SL-5500's for $199 USD http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?sku=S213-1076%20P
04:49.07okay, TimRiker
04:51.48TimRikerfind_me: and see brando for C7x0
04:51.51TimRiker~brando
04:51.52brando is probably sells/exports the Sharp Zaurus and other electronics http://shop.brando.com.hk/ or mailto:brando@brando.com.hk.  C700 $500, C750 $533, C760 $633 USD, use email for zaurus orders, or plus shipping, or no warranty and japanese sortware.
04:52.38find_meah thanks tim
04:54.05cdmwarmi: No, I have studied thier architecture (since they are competitor, best way to defeat your enemy is to know them).
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04:57.48warmicdm: who do you work for ? ( you mentioned ce being a competitor ) :-)
04:57.57warmihi NeoTron
04:58.43NeoTronhello
04:59.34warmiTimRikker is looking for Qte devs
04:59.39warmiI told him to talk to you
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04:59.47NeoTronok..
05:00.34warmiI am sure working for TI on a new Qte/Linux powered PDA would be a better gig than whatever you are doing at real :-)
05:01.24Marsupilami23Anyone know where nano is for arm.. for some reason I cant find it again.
05:01.30warmibtw .. when you find some time .. can you email me lib/dll combo for PPC version of physfs  :-)        
05:01.53warmiit would be much easier for me that way then trying to pull that from cvs .. especially since I don't have a  working linux box these dayus
05:04.41cdmwarmi: QNX
05:05.15warmicdm: ah ok , yeah
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05:06.06cdmwarmi: Just got PHoton working on the Z actually - http://qnx.wox.org/qnx/screenshots/zaurus/
05:06.41warmihehe photon looks pretty cool
05:06.51treke|homecool deal
05:06.55warmiI have seen some other screenshots couple of months ago
05:07.20subdueI'd like to buy the iodata card, but not if it's over $200
05:07.28cdmwarmi: eQip perhaps?
05:09.03warmiI am not sure . but I remember seeing some cool screenshots of qnx running either on ipaq or on zaurus
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05:10.22tyrethI'm having no luck with this.  I can telnet to port 23, but no login or username info comes up
05:10.42tyrethThis is an improvement (I edited inetd.conf) over before when it terminated the connection immediately because the service wasn't allowed
05:11.33tyrethAny ideas how to get this working?  I've upgraded to 3.10 rom - am I supposed to download an ftp/telnet server from somewhere, or are these supposed to be present already?
05:14.43warmicdm: btw .. I don't think CE is really a competitor to QNX :-)
05:15.00warmityreth : I don't even have 3.10 .. there is no official one for 5000d yet
05:15.05cdmwarmi: in Automotive.
05:15.24cdmwarmi: and in a bunch of other verticals.  So no, PPC isn't.
05:15.39warmireally?   CE is barely holding as a consumer OS running on devices like PPC
05:15.41cdmIf you include PPC sales, WinCE is the #1 embedded OS in the wrold now.
05:15.43warmiI mean that thing is quite shaky
05:16.00warmiwell, no shit .. if you count all these ipaqs .. then of course :-)
05:16.01cdmoh yes, it is not great.
05:16.13cdmbut people still use it.
05:16.23warmiwell, it works more less on a PDA ...
05:17.00warmiit gives that false sense of security for Win32 programmers .. everything seems familiar but under the hood stuff is very different :-)
05:17.20warmiwhile in case of Zaurus , Linux kernel is pretty much the same
05:18.19warmiwell, anyway.. I am no kernel expert - just talking from experience coding for the userland
05:19.22warmicdm: btw ... do you know if anyone is looking at using qnx as  a PDA OS ?
05:19.48cdmwarmi: we have some people do some work with QNX on the iPaq as a product (order entry systems).
05:19.54cdmwarmi: http://qnxzone.com/eQip/
05:19.59cdmthat is a project I started.
05:20.42treke|homepretty
05:23.41warmiyeah, that's what I was talking about before
05:23.50warmihttp://qnxzone.com/eQip/screenshots/index.html
05:24.36cdmand we are designing a new look actually.
05:24.55warmithis one looks cool
05:25.27warmidoes it use freetype ?
05:25.34warmiit looks like it was rendered with freetype
05:26.06warmiactually , the way fonts are rendered reminds me of BeOS
05:26.15cdmno.
05:26.24cdmit uses BitStream's commerical font engine.
05:27.00warmiwell, it does look great
05:27.10cdmyeah, looks great but there is a lot of "meat" missing.
05:27.23cdmso part of the new design is to make sure that meat is in place first.
05:28.00warmiis photon C++ based ?
05:29.03cdmno.  
05:29.23cdmthere are a couple of C++ APIs built on it's widget set though.
05:29.29cdmKiPhoton and ZinZila (it's replacement)
05:29.38cdmand I belive a russian guy did ph++.
05:29.46cdmbut generally people do thier apps in PhAB.
05:30.53warmiwhich is like what ? Win32 with messages or like Motif with callbacks ?
05:31.06cdmhahaha..both?
05:31.16warmihehe
05:31.17cdmPhoton is message based (like the rest of QNX).
05:31.32cdmand the Pt*() level API uses per-widget callback lists.
05:31.35cdmbased on the messages.
05:31.44cdmwhich will be more like Motif.
05:31.55cdmvery easy to code in actually.  
05:32.59warmiMotif was anything but easy to code  :-)
05:33.07warmiactually MOtif was easy but extending it was pretty painfull
05:33.19warmilike creating new widgets etc
05:34.10warmihow old is Photon ? when was it designed ?
05:34.27NeoTronEvan got up - he's sick.
05:34.28cdmhttp://www.qnx.com/developer/docs/momentics621_docs/photon/wid_build/about.html
05:34.45cdmwarmi: Photon 1.x was done in '94.
05:34.53cdmwarmi: We are now on Photon 2.x.
05:35.34NeoTronwarmi: only problem with a Ti gig is that it's well, ... where is it again?
05:35.51warmiNeo|Work :  texas
05:36.10NeoTronin texas. :P
05:36.19warmicdm: well, then you had luxury of learing on all the mistakes Motif and Win32 designer made :-)
05:36.26warmiNeo|Work well, nothing is perfect :-)
05:37.01cdmwarmi: :)
05:37.55warmiNeoTron : you can get used to everything .. I got used to Chicago crappy weather ( and I am not talking about winter  )
05:37.58warmi:-)
05:41.04NeoTronI'd have to get a whole lot of money to live in texas. I mean major bucks. :P
05:41.06treke|homelinux pdas seem rather risky to move your family cross country over :)
05:41.09NeoTronit's TEXAS for crying out loud
05:41.23NeoTronnot pda
05:41.34NeoTron"webpad" type device
05:41.39warmitreke : hahahah
05:41.50treke|homeah. Thought he said pda reference design. must have misread
05:42.07warmiNeoTron my understanding was that this was going to be some sort of education oriented pda or something like that
05:42.25warmibut I am guessing anyway
05:42.35warmikergoth doesn't want to say anything :-)
05:42.43NeoTronhmm
05:42.51NeoTronI don't know for sure
05:43.21treke|homewarmi: Just saying that it would be less risky for someone like me or kergoth. No families to feed and few other expenses
05:44.03tyrethgrr this is so frustrating.
05:44.22warmitreke yeah .. that's true
05:44.54warmitreke : that is why , in cases like that, would only go for contract work
05:45.04warmipreferable from home :)
05:45.08treke|homehehe
05:45.12warmior from some sort of local office
05:45.12warmi:)
05:45.33warmiwell, depends on the type of work but sometimes working from home office makes more sense :-)
05:45.49treke|homebtw, anyone know if a c app that linked only against libc would load significantly faster than an app linked against qt?
05:46.33warmiyeah, well ..
05:46.41warmidepends
05:46.44tyrethFor those of you using linux, what methods do you use to communicate with the zaurus?
05:46.54warmiif qte is already loaded then it wouldn't matter all that much
05:47.08tyrethI find that after a little while I can no longer ping it - then I have to take it out of the cradle, remove usbdnet, put it in, add usbdnet, then set up the usb0 interface again.
05:47.29cdmtreke|home: yes.
05:48.07warmiwhat are you trying to do treke ?
05:48.59warmiI don't know of any sort of app where choice would be either qte or just libc (basically nothing  )  :-)
05:49.00treke|homewarmi: some work on the opie nonroot patch. was trying to decide if was worth writing a conf file parser versus just using qpe's config
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05:49.28cdmwarmi: actually, even if it is, there are a lot of symbols in C++ apps that the loader has to tear thru.
05:50.19warmicdm: true well but as I said, an app that links only to libc will always load faster than say even GTK app
05:50.40cdmyep.
05:50.52cdmalthough GTK is pretty bad for symbol leaking as well.
05:51.12warmithe funny thing was that having choice between just libc or linking with qte is a rather strange choice :-)
05:52.03warmigenerally if you link with qte then you do it for a reason .. like for example big ass librrary of classes that lets you code just about everything client-side related ;-[)
05:52.58warmithere are classes that parse ini files :-)
05:53.19warmioutside of qt , that is
05:53.36warmiI have seen couple of independent classes, libraries for parsing windows style ini files
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05:58.41warmitreke -> http://freshmeat.net/projects/inilib/?topic_id=809
05:58.44warmihow about this ?
06:00.00NeoTronI think the flash worked
06:00.12treke|homewill time it and see how quick it goes :)
06:01.51NeoTronsnazzy new icons
06:03.20warmiI wish I could put 3.10 on my 5000d
06:03.30treke|homewarmi: someone made an image
06:04.02TheMasterMind1hrmm, is there a list of the chapters in harry potter 5 anywhere online by any chance
06:04.02warmiyeah, I saw it ..
06:04.07warmibut I will wait for the official one
06:04.14treke|homehttp://www.cacko.biz/zaurus.html#3.10
06:04.18treke|homeah
06:04.35warmiharry potter ??
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06:06.05warmiI think I saw Sniper's post about them working on 5000d image
06:06.18warmiso hopefully I will have a chance to enjoy 3.10 as well
06:06.44treke|homekergoth mentioned that the new apps were memory hungry, that might be part of the delay :)
06:07.24warmiwell, I just want these new icons
06:07.29treke|homehehe
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06:12.34NeoTronok so why the fuck doens't the nic work
06:12.35NeoTrongrnrnr
06:14.14warmihuh
06:14.17warminot a good sign
06:14.21warmiI have the same nic
06:14.40NeoTrondoesn
06:14.54NeoTronthe net config app sees a HW addr, but says "off line"
06:16.03warmiwell, I will hold on with upgrading to 3.10 even when it comes out untill Neo get's his nic card issue solved :-)
06:16.15warmiI absolutely need ethernet for my Z
06:17.34NeoTronso do I
06:18.16warmiyeah, I don't use USB whatsoever .. by now I am addicted to my samba mounted Z drives
06:18.16warmiheh
06:19.21NeoTronI use it for the SL-A300
06:19.35NeoTronit doesn't need a dock (as a matter of fact, it doesn't have one) so it's not as much of a pain in the neck
06:19.40NeoTronplus it has no CF. :P
06:20.17treke|homeyou dont have the CF sleeve for it?
06:20.23warmiso how do you connect to it ?
06:20.25warmiwith a sleeve ?
06:21.22treke|homewarmi: it uses a sleeve for cf
06:21.29NeoTronusb via cable
06:21.38NeoTroni.e the usb / power connection uses one cable only
06:21.42NeoTronor to be exact
06:21.49NeoTrona connector to which USB and power is connected
06:23.11NeoTronso the system detects it correctly...
06:25.19NeoTronifconfig eth0 => correct
06:25.26NeoTronifconfig eth0 ipaddr => no such device error
06:25.27NeoTronwtf?
06:26.03warmibtw ... I was going to order Axim , the same model you bought since Dell had a deal on these (160)
06:26.17warmibut I found even better deal .. for Toshiba e335 for 147
06:26.19warmiI will get that
06:26.30cdmhas anyone managed to crack the Dell nut for docs on the Axim?
06:26.40treke|homecdm: sadly no :(
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06:27.13treke|homecdm: someone is working on doing a port of linux the hard way though
06:27.34tyrethWhy does inetd.conf have in.tftpd in it, but in.tftpd does not exist anywhere on my zaurus? (sl-5500 with 3.10 rom)
06:27.51NeoTronwarmi: the dell is extremely nice however. :)
06:28.05NeoTronin either csae, this ROM doesn't work for me. :(
06:28.08NeoTronno network card
06:28.12warmiNeoTron yeah, but you already have it so I can ask you to test it on yours
06:28.18warminobody I know has toshiba :-)
06:29.15warmiyou can in turn send your stuff to me and I can test it on my future Toshiba
06:30.37warmicdm: I thought there was already work being done on porting Linux to Axim
06:30.48cdmwarmi: oh sure, people futzing.
06:30.54warmiit would be very beneficial .. these devices are pretty good and very cheap
06:30.58cdmwarmi: I personally don't like to work without docs.
06:31.03warmihehe
06:31.15warmiso you would hate say... GTK
06:31.22cdmwell, I mean hardware docs.
06:31.30warmi:-)
06:31.33cdmif I am gonna do a platform port to a new device I want docs, even if I have to read them in .jp
06:31.49warmiyeah, there is no hardware.h one can consult when docs are missing :-)
06:34.34warmithat Toshiba e335 is pretty much equivalent of that Axim you got
06:34.42warmisame CPU , same amount of memory etc
06:34.59warmiwell, it lacks CF though
06:36.13NeoTronyeah
06:38.19NeoTronwI use the CF a lot in mine
06:40.01warmifuck .. I spent last week trying to optimize my memory usage on PPC ..   I was fragmenting heap rather badly and this sucker was getting slow .. frame rate would drop 50%
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06:40.20warmifrankly, I wasn't doing much .. just bit of linked list manipulation .. zaurus handles that like nothing
06:40.23warmibut PPC heap sucks
06:41.11warmiacording to PocketMatrix devels ipaq 3835 is particulary bad in this regard
06:41.21warmiso that is why I am getting Toshiba ..
06:41.32warmiI am trying to figure out if this is ipaq only issue or what
06:42.04warmiman . .. there is a "heap walker" diagnostic app that comes with Visual Embedded C++
06:42.17warmithat thing would simply die when walking my game heap :-)
06:42.32warmisame thing was happening for argentum game
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06:43.51warmithe problem might be that I am using a lot of QString /QStringList code on PPC
06:44.06warmiwhich tends to allocated/deallocate a lot of small chunks of memory
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07:13.03warmiTim: just talked to Neo - he was interested in talking to you about that TI opportunity
07:13.04warmi:-)
07:13.09warmianyway, time for me
07:13.12warmigood night
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07:28.02fdaskmorning
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07:32.22fdaskhow can i rotate the screen on my zaurus?
07:34.41cdmfdask: Probably some option to Qt/E since the native layout is landscape.
07:39.41fdaski just installed a couple ipks that added rotation functionality
07:39.44fdask:)
08:05.59fdaskcan i usb network directly to the zaurus without having to use the base?
08:12.32cdmisn't it attached to the cradle?
08:19.39fdaskwell, ya
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10:12.57jespahIs there any good/well working game boy, sega, or nes emulator for the Z?
10:17.02subdueqtopia gnuboy
10:17.22subduesound is too soft, but works fine otherwise
10:17.36subduecareful on pressing the middle button = pops you out of the game
10:17.45subduethis is for gameboy color
10:18.09jespahsubdue, does it emulate full speed?
10:18.52jespahIm using zemu/znes/zboy, they work great, though some of the newer games seem to have bugging sound in it, like a little static
10:19.04jespahI tried gnuboy a while back, but it had freaky sound with everything !
10:21.21subduedoes not do gameboy advanced. but does all the others I've tested
10:21.35subduejust dont count on sound
10:22.38jespahargh
10:22.45jespahSound is 90% of the game for me :(((
10:23.05subduedecent sound = media player
10:23.44mETzheh, sound on a zaurus? :)
10:23.53subdueat 48000 hz, 256K mp3
10:24.19zap-zeroi thought the z only does 44.1
10:24.38zap-zero(but that's way enough with cheap earphones)
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10:25.01subdue44K it seemed to have trouble playing
10:25.09subdueat 48K it started right away, no issues
10:26.10zap-zeromedia player is shit anyway
10:26.14zap-zerouses way too much mem
10:26.17zap-zeroi prefer madplay
10:26.19zap-zerofor console
10:26.31subduethis was on the Z
10:26.34zap-zeroalso only reacts on keyboard keys
10:26.46zap-zeroi know
10:26.58zap-zerothat's good if you keep it in your pocket
10:27.39subdueah
10:27.50subdueI'm looking for a decent divx/mpeg4 player
10:27.56subduedunno if it's worth $20
10:28.34zap-zeromplayer?
10:28.43subduefor the Z
10:28.46zap-zeroyes.
10:28.53subdueI think mplayer only works on oz?
10:28.59zap-zeroprobably... so? :)
10:29.23zap-zerobut come on, that cpu is just too slow for divx
10:29.31zap-zerompeg will probably work, but divx...
10:29.50subduetck works fine from what I hear, as well as drZ
10:30.02subdueremember, it's only 320x240
10:30.25zap-zerothat's why divx and mpeg2 don't make a big size difference anyway
10:30.35zap-zeroso i'd definitely go for the latter
10:30.55subduestill can't use media player for mpeg2
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10:31.54jespahWhat video formats does mediaplayer support?
10:32.14subduempeg1 only
10:32.22jespahhehe, ok
10:34.03jespahAny tips on how to best encode some media in linux into a decent video gor the Z
10:34.16jespahIve been playing with mencode/mplayer, but im looking for something else too
10:35.50subduevidomi if you can get the right settings will work
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11:29.59fdaskmorning
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12:10.23fdaskanyone have a url listing the zaurus keyboard codes?  ie how to enter | and stuff
12:13.18ljp_laptophttp://www.opie.us/opie/devZone.php/keycode_qt.pdf
12:17.45fdaskthanks ljp
12:20.58fdaski got my 5500 yesterday
12:21.00fdaskreally happy with it
12:21.44fdaski had a couple hours of headache trying 2 get file transfer going with my xp pc, until i realized the 3.10 rom has a samba server on it i can just browse
12:21.51fdaskthat made transferring files super nice
12:22.13fdaski installed a screen rotation package
12:22.24fdaskfound that handy, for giving me more width in a terminal or whatever
12:23.38fdaskwas hoping it would rotate the pop up keyboard as well tho
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12:38.14fdaskis there no ESC available from the built in keyboard?
12:38.45yeiazelit's the Cancel button
12:39.02fdaskperfect
12:39.22fdaskare dents in the screen easily repaired?
12:39.29yeiazelno
12:39.48yeiazelit may be more cheaper and easier to buy a new Z
12:40.00ljp_laptopdents?
12:40.02yeiazeler
12:40.06yeiazels/more//
12:40.30fdasktheres a mark on my screen and i cant tell if its a smudge or a dent or something
12:41.07yeiazelnot a scratch ?
12:41.18fdasknot a scratch
12:41.38fdasklooks like an indent from a fingernail
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14:42.15markTwiun: i'm not working :(
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14:52.31Twiunmark: tsk, tsk, tsk
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15:03.22markTwiun: yeh, i'm trying to decide whether I want an ipod or a creative zen instead
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15:19.56darmouhas anyone been able to port the new hancom apps to oz?
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16:19.54chouimatmorning
16:21.12dougheckamoin
16:21.39find_memoin moin
16:25.41subdueescape is the cancel key or something like that
16:25.55subduesame one that turns it off?
16:25.57subdueI forget
16:26.00yeiazelyes
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17:07.07joppefandoes anyone here run qtopia on linux desktop ? .. or tried ? ..
17:08.25joppefannoone
17:08.27joppefan??
17:08.48dougheckawhats linux?
17:09.26yeiazel:)
17:09.28joppefan=)
17:09.30yeiazelwhat's qtopia ?
17:09.41joppefanwell im trying to make it run on my PS2  =) ..
17:09.49dougheckalololololololol
17:10.06joppefanand it complains about it couldnt load the obex plugin ..
17:10.07joppefanir
17:10.13joppefan=)
17:12.05joppefani asked google .. but she didnt help ...so i thought maybe you guys knows what to do =)
17:12.22dougheckagoogles a she?
17:12.35joppefandoughecka: yepp .. and a pretty one to .. =)
17:12.40doughecka:)
17:12.46dougheckaI use winders XP
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17:12.56dougheckaso I dont know how to get a zaurus to sync with PS2
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17:13.27joppefandoughecka: i dont have a zaurus ... i just wanna run qtopia on my Playstation 2
17:13.33dougheckaoh
17:13.38joppefanyepp
17:13.38joppefan=)
17:13.39George-joppefan: nifty
17:13.46joppefanGeorge-: well it did compile ..
17:13.47dougheckahey George-, out of school?
17:13.58George-doughecka: yeh
17:14.05George-doughecka: just started half-term
17:14.08dougheckaah
17:14.10joppefanbut now it complains about some obex plugin and does a segfault.. =/
17:14.24George-joppefan: backtrace?
17:14.30joppefanbacktrace ?
17:14.44George-forget it
17:14.45dougheckabacktrace.
17:14.53joppefanGeorge-: nope.. i wont. . =)..
17:15.06joppefanGeorge-: sorry .. but .. what do you mean with backtrace..
17:15.15joppefando you have another word for it ..
17:15.25George-joppefan: er.. it's a debugging thing
17:15.32George-joppefan: it's in gdb
17:15.55joppefanahh ... well im not that skilled in debugging .. =/..
17:16.42doughecka<PROTECTED>
17:17.10George-doughecka: oh shut up
17:17.12George-:P
17:17.13fliplapheh
17:17.21doughecka:)
17:17.30fliplapgood morning irc
17:17.41fliplaphow is everyone? feeling fine i hope?
17:17.49dougheckanope
17:18.11fliplapwell why not
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17:20.16fliplapi say one two three, mos def and talib kweli
17:20.28doughecka...
17:21.18fliplappsh, definition
17:21.29fliplapwhat do you kids listen to these days?
17:21.45dougheckaclassical
17:21.54joppefananyone seen XavierXeon ??
17:22.01fliplapwhat? mos def isn't classic enough for you?
17:22.03George-not for ages
17:22.11dougheckanever heard of it
17:22.24doughecka~seen XavierXeon
17:22.25xavierxeon <~mr_x@p5087742E.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openembedded, 2h 47m 39s ago, saying: 'hey mickeyl : i f the dont publish the device here we could see if ew coud a discount when importing more than one'.
17:22.28fliplapit? geez, how old are you?
17:22.39doughecka16
17:22.55fliplapok, thats a good enough excuse
17:23.16George-what's mos def?
17:23.25dougheckaa type of moss
17:23.28dougheckaI think
17:23.38George-ibot mos def
17:23.39George-: i don't know
17:23.45doughecka~dict mod def
17:23.46George-even ibot doesn't know
17:23.51George-therefore it doesn't exist
17:23.52fliplapalthough mos def has been the shit since you were born
17:23.54doughecka~google for mos def
17:24.28George-wtf
17:24.34George-my adsl is going at 101Kbit/s
17:24.36George-argh
17:24.37dougheckacool
17:24.39George-it's meant to be 512
17:24.42dougheckahah
17:24.42George-brb
17:24.50fliplapok, well maybe not that long
17:25.18fliplapbut since you were like 8 :-)
17:30.26dougheckahmm
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17:34.43markcan someone remidn me off hte difference between i++ and ++i? postfix/prefix i know, but if i have int i = 0; and I do something(i++) does that call something with 0 or 1?
17:35.11dougheckathe position of the i
17:35.14zap-zero0
17:35.23zap-zeroand with ++i with 1
17:35.33zap-zeropre-increment and post-increment
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17:38.20treke|home++i increments and returns the incremented value
17:38.32treke|homei++ increments and returns the value before incrementing it
17:38.50markok cheers treke, zap-zero
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17:43.07dougheckaTEST!
17:43.34George-can someone please gimme their nameserver IPs?
17:43.41doughecka216.135.64.3
17:43.45George-(from /etc/resolv.conf)
17:44.05treke|home127.0.0.1
17:44.11dougheckahah
17:44.16George-bleh
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17:47.27jbwivhey guys...anyone know of a feed that has freeswan/ipsec stuff available, or any feeds specifically for rom 3.10 (sharp)?
17:47.51markGeorge-: 192.168.1.1
17:48.33chouimathi mark George-
17:58.01dougheckawow
17:58.20dougheckamy calibration was off, so I calibrated the touch screen, and now its worse
18:01.56markhi chouimat
18:03.43chouimatmark: I wasn't able to sleep wenesday to thrusday night, so I added  inform6 support to kdevelop ... now you can use kdevelop to write infocom games
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18:09.58Marsupilami23Anyone know where I might find nano for z? I found it once before and now I can't find it again
18:11.26TheMasterMind1learn vim
18:11.45chouimatTheMasterMind1: thatt  cruel :)
18:12.15Marsupilami23TheMasterMind1: I know vim, don't like it
18:13.56TheMasterMind1Marsupilami23: learn to like vim
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18:24.22treke|homethis channel is mostly north american/european users
18:24.59zaurusloveryup :) ... just wondering if anyone had heard read anything anywhere
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18:25.20Marsupilami23TheMasterMind1: Do you get off being rude to people who you don't know?
18:25.29zaurusloverI am a nth american user too :)
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18:27.22Marsupilami23Well, great thing is TheMasterMind1 your not even worth my time.
18:27.34treke|homethank you for sharing
18:31.21zaurusloverl8r pplz njoy ur memorial day weekend
18:31.21zaurusloverbye for now
18:31.26treke|homelater
18:31.35redtoadeany suggestions/comments about emacs on zaurus before I install it?
18:31.37zaurusloverc ya treke
18:31.57jbwivguys...anyone know where I can find a good list of feeds available for the Z?
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18:39.27TheMasterMind1ibot zfi
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19:01.43paq_hm.. ovulation..
19:03.01yeiazel:)
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19:24.13dougheckahmm
19:24.15dougheckathis is odd
19:24.31dougheckathis guy in #bzflag is spamming nasty stuff, but hes not in the channle
19:24.35dougheckathe user name dont show up
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19:26.39O2insectula?
19:26.42O2I see him
19:26.53O2Ohh
19:27.09dougheckaI dont understand how hes doin it
19:27.26O2What's the nick?
19:27.32dougheckainsectula
19:27.42O2He's there alright.
19:27.48Wintre*** insectula is ~loston@pD95905BE.dip.t-dialin.net (markus)
19:27.48Wintre*** on channels: #bzflag
19:27.57dougheckahuh
19:28.00dougheckamust be my client then
19:28.06dougheckabut still, hes annoying
19:28.19WintreI seem him when I /who the channel
19:28.33ljp_laptophey wintre
19:28.42WintreHey ljp
19:28.45WintreHow's tricks?
19:28.51dougheckainteresting
19:28.57dougheckawhats that kline channel?
19:29.00ljp_laptopwaiting for work visa sucks ass
19:29.03WintreHeh
19:29.04WintreI remember
19:29.25dougheckayou know it?
19:29.34WintreNo, I remember waiting for a work visa
19:29.37dougheckaoh
19:29.39dougheckadrats
19:29.45dougheckaI really need it
19:29.45doughecka:)
19:29.46Wintrecan't you just ban the guy?
19:29.51dougheckanope
19:29.53dougheckaproxys
19:30.01dougheckaand no ops are around
19:30.20ljp_laptopget lilo
19:30.29dougheckaI /msged him
19:30.33dougheckano response
19:30.36ljp_laptopheh
19:30.40WintreThere he is
19:31.25yeiazellilo wouldn't be of any help...
19:31.51treke|homemaybe if you pay him :)
19:32.55O2Aargh someone sell me a 5500! I lost my 123432nd ebay auction!
19:33.03O2Even though I offer badass cash.
19:33.18dougheckalol
19:33.23Wolf-use buy it now :)
19:33.42O2There aren't any :(
19:34.18O2I might just get one from Dynamism, anyone know how long it takes to ship to Europe?
19:34.54O2leh they don't even have the 5500./
19:34.57O2Hm
19:35.05O2Sorry typo.
19:35.50O2Anyone know of any other stores that ship to Europe?
19:36.05yeiazelO2: expansys
19:36.05ljp_laptoptigerdirect has them for cheap
19:36.06treke|homeconics does, I think
19:36.17ljp_laptopdunno if they ship to EU though
19:36.39yeiazelexpansys are in uk
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19:38.49George-woot
19:38.55George-they managed to resolve my hostname?
19:38.57George-nooooo
19:38.59George-heh
19:39.12O2Geez, it's $360 at Expansys
19:39.15Wolf-it resolves
19:39.27Wintremmmm drone channels
19:39.42ljp_laptopoh joy. george is back
19:39.46O2What's conics?
19:39.52WintreOur favorite ten brit
19:39.56Wolf-George-: adsl-158-105.freeuk.net isn't correct?
19:39.57WintreEr, teen Brit
19:40.01treke|homeO2: two guesses
19:40.01O2Heh
19:40.13ljp_laptopigeorge is pre teen ;)
19:40.17O2How much does he want for it?
19:40.19treke|homehere's a hint, it's not a cigar
19:40.48George-Wolf-: yeh, it is, apparently
19:40.56Wolf-:)
19:40.59George-Wolf-: it's just that they've never EVER managed to resolve it before
19:41.06dougheckajoy
19:41.20Wolf-need a new ISP :P
19:41.23George-Wolf-: haha
19:41.32George-Wolf-: I'm just a bit surprised, that's all
19:42.20George-ok, brb
19:42.36Wolf-strange
19:42.51dougheckakid
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19:43.49dougheckaaaaahaha, AOL.com!!
19:43.58Wolf-hehe
19:44.12dougheckaclose your firewalls!
19:44.21Wolf-lol
19:44.38O2Luckily I have XP firewall!
19:44.49dougheckayea
19:44.55WintreO2: Oh, that keeps XP away from your computer?
19:44.57dougheckatough thing to get through
19:45.17Wolf-I have Cisco firewall! :)
19:45.19paq_heh, clowns
19:45.52dougheckaprotects me from the heat of my athlon
19:46.24Wolf-lol
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19:46.45dougheckascared him away
19:47.07Wolf-pritty easy to do that to an aoler
19:47.48paq_dude, their teen chatrooms are like 1000000x scarier than this :p
19:48.00Wolf-lol
19:48.01dougheckayea
19:48.11dougheckanot that I go in there
19:48.15dougheckapaq_: YOU GO IN there?
19:48.32Wolf-I havn't seen the AOL interface on any PC in afew years
19:48.44WintrePeople still use AOL?
19:48.49dougheckawhats AOL?
19:48.52WintreCrazy
19:48.52doughecka:)
19:48.54WintreI'd never have thought
19:49.06doughecka3 billion users or something
19:49.14dougheckathat sounds wrong
19:49.18WintreAll of India and China?
19:49.26WintreThat's half the fucking world. C'mon ;)
19:49.28Wolf-two people I used to work with use it, and they were asking me why they have soo many problems with their computers
19:49.41dougheckaWolf-: indeed
19:50.09Wolf-AOL is worse then windows
19:50.19dougheckaceiling fans have like 2 miles of wire in them
19:50.31Wolf-not only does it screw up yer PC, but you can download it free
19:50.38dougheckalol
19:50.44Wolf-alteast MS discourages people buy charging for their crap
19:50.45dougheckayou can download windows for free too
19:50.52dougheckahehe
19:50.53Wolf-well ya
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19:51.03dougheckabut you have to pay monthly
19:51.43O2Hmmm the USD is quite low, I might be able to get a nice deal in the US.
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19:52.01O2Heh the dollar isn't low, the Euro has gone to the top.
19:52.09O2But still, it's my advantage.
19:52.13dougheckathe USD never goes down
19:52.13doughecka:P
19:52.56O2Someone sell me a Z :'((
19:53.00O2Heh I'm such a whiner.
19:53.18Wolf-alteast you realize your problem
19:53.23Wolf-:P
19:53.28O2Hehe
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19:53.41George-interesting
19:53.45dougheckagimme a ipaq and I will trade :P
19:53.49George-802.11b can't keep up with 512 ADSL's datarate
19:53.50George-WTF
19:53.55dougheckaduh
19:53.59doughecka:)
19:53.59George-I blame it on the drivers
19:54.01George-:)
19:54.14O2Heh, I can get you one of those old mono ipaqs, but that's probably not what you want.
19:54.29Wintre*America* On-Line, not Britain on-line
19:54.29Wolf-wow george is slow
19:54.32dougheckaO2: yea... :)
19:54.57dougheckaGeorge-: what card?
19:55.11O2I can't connect to tigerdirect :{
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19:59.38dougheckauh oh
19:59.48dougheckaits him
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20:00.15dougheckaqfh
20:00.17dougheckaI think
20:00.17O2Shh you're only provoking.
20:00.29O2Ignoring is the best way :)
20:00.40dougheckaI think hes still ognored
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20:00.45qfhwho's him
20:01.14dougheckaah, nope, diferent host name
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20:03.26Wolf-I like your quit
20:03.43doughecka:)
20:04.21fliplapdoughecka: nice quit message
20:04.29dougheckaI stole it from somewher
20:04.30fliplapheh
20:04.37Twiunvery good analogy anyway :)
20:04.45fliplapthere's an on going debate in my city right now about that
20:04.51fliplapsmoking was banned in all restraunts
20:04.55dougheckacool
20:05.04fliplapand the smokers are fighting tooth and nail.
20:05.23fliplapthey're calling it a freedom of speech/expression issue
20:05.29WintreFucking liars
20:05.36dougheckafreedom to smoke like a volcano?
20:05.40fliplapyeah
20:06.06WintreFreedom, yeah, ok. Of speech!? Hell no
20:06.10fliplapand that second hand smoke doesn't actually hurt anyone, i say its annoying, they say if you're so annoyed then leave
20:06.21dougheckahaha
20:06.30WintreThat's nuts
20:06.34dougheckaany smokers herE?
20:06.35doughecka:)
20:06.36George-doughecka: Apple Airport
20:06.41fliplapi'm sure there's a few
20:06.44George-doughecka: ie - orinico gold or something
20:06.49dougheckaGeorge-: eww :P
20:06.50O2Starting a fire within a building is idiocy anyway.
20:07.01dougheckao2 indeed
20:07.03fliplapshrug, i'm glad its gone, makes eating so much nicer
20:07.09WintreYeah
20:07.14fliplapmy tacos aren't tabacco flavored anymore
20:07.16ljp_laptopjust eat a lot of beans and fart a lot
20:07.20dougheckalol
20:07.23fliplapheh
20:07.29treke|homestarting a fiew within a building is idiocy? remind me not to cook my dinner tonight
20:07.32dougheckaljp_laptop: now it wont light from spark?
20:07.36treke|homes/fiew/fire/
20:07.41dougheckatreke: ho ho
20:07.44WintreI was out with a recent ex-smoker friend of mine who commented on how awful the passive smoke was
20:08.03dougheckasmoking is dumb.
20:08.04doughecka:)
20:08.29fliplapagreed
20:08.42WintreUh
20:08.49WintreWhy should *I* have to?
20:08.54O2THey're just desperate cries caused by an addiction.
20:08.55dougheckaI can hold MY breath for hours
20:09.02George-doughecka: hahaha
20:09.09George-Wintre: I agree.
20:09.51George-yeiazel: hahahaha
20:10.01O2Imagine someone with a big ghettoblaster-kind of radio entering a restaurant, playing music you don't like at a compromising volume...
20:10.11treke|homeWintre: You should have to do it, if the property owner wants to allow it
20:10.24treke|homeO2: Get the management to kick them out. if they dont, leave
20:10.30dougheckaO2: how about those people who drive around booming music
20:10.31O2Anyone who doesn't agree he should be the one that leaves?
20:10.39fliplapO2: the arguement is that there's no law against that
20:10.48fliplapthere's a law against smoking in restraunts in my city'
20:10.55dougheckawow, my quit message started something
20:10.55doughecka:)
20:11.05fliplapmanagement doesn't have the right to allow smoking
20:11.10treke|homeO2: He should leave. If the owner of the restraunt doesnt mind it though, you can deal or leave
20:11.25fliplapwhereas in the boom box example, he cans tay as long as the restraunt allows him to
20:11.27dougheckawhat if the owner is smoking on ur food? :P
20:11.32treke|homedoughecka: then leave
20:11.37O2Smoking is just plain stupid.
20:11.37fliplapthen thats really illegal
20:11.39dougheckaor worse, smoking the food :)
20:11.39Wintretreke: I can accept well enough that I abide by management's policies, but smokers have no more prerogative to smoke around me than I have to force them to stop
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20:12.14George-Wintre: start spraying endless deodrant cans at them and watch them choke :)
20:12.16treke|homeWintre: If management wants to allow it, they should be allowed to do it. It's their business that may suffer.
20:12.20fliplapthe other issue with the boom box is that it can me considered a public annoyance
20:12.22fliplaphaha
20:12.27treke|homeIt's their customers that they would be annoying
20:12.33fliplapGeorge-: thats a _really_ good idea
20:12.39George-Wintre: then keep doing it whenever they want to smoke
20:12.43George-Wintre: that'll discourage them
20:12.45O2The point is, when smoking amongst people, you're inflicting damage to their health.
20:12.49fliplapin fact, if the smoking law gets repealed, i might just try that
20:12.56O2Or to their health for that matter.
20:13.03George-fliplap: he
20:13.04George-heh
20:13.18George-fliplap: lynx is the worst ;)
20:13.24fliplapO2: the arguement the smokers put up is that that is untrue
20:13.24dougheckapush button, smoke disapears
20:13.36treke|homeO2: hen put a sign on the door that says "Smoking allowed"
20:13.41dougheckaor better yet, a portable smoke absorber :)
20:13.48treke|homeO2: and dont go in if you arent willing to put your health at risk
20:13.57fliplapO2: and although it may cause allergic reactions in some, it hasn't actually killed anyone
20:14.02O2Heh, smokers are so desperate.
20:14.10fliplapyeah
20:14.11dougheckaIf ur smoking, you better be on fire
20:14.18treke|home"smokers are so desperate"
20:14.22fliplapi don't get it, why would you fight to keep smoking
20:14.34O2Yeah
20:14.34fliplapits killing you and its annoying to others
20:14.36dougheckahow can one smoke/eat at the same time?
20:14.47ljp_laptopI wanna be able to smoke a spliff in a restaurant
20:14.48O2And it costs a lot of money.
20:14.51fliplapbe sensible and use it as an excuse to quit
20:15.09treke|homefliplap: Who said I smoke?
20:15.22fliplapi didn't
20:15.23O2It's like buying a new knife everyday to cut yourself.
20:15.32treke|homeO2: If someone wants to do that, so be it
20:15.39dougheckamaybe I should change my quit message :)
20:16.08fliplapi think smoking could be allowed IF the restraunt is willing to put in a seperate smoking section, that is closed off and on a seperate ventalation system
20:16.20dougheckayea
20:16.22dougheckaI agree
20:16.27dougheckabut ONLY then :)
20:16.41treke|homewhy go that far. Just require that they post that its a smoking establishment. Non smokers can go elsewhere
20:16.54dougheckabuisness lost
20:17.12fliplapwhy even have to post it for that matter
20:17.13O2Yeah, that's right, if it says "no jews allowed", they're just not allowed to go into the park!
20:17.15treke|homedoughecka: If they care about the nonsmoking business they will take action
20:17.16O2;)
20:17.26treke|homeO2: ok
20:17.33fliplapbecause then we're right back where we started
20:17.46treke|homefliplap: And better off in my opinion
20:17.49dougheckasmoking is bad :)
20:17.54doughecka.
20:17.55O2The cigarettes are getting between the people.
20:18.00fliplapthe reason for law is that people are unable to control it on their own
20:18.01WintreDrinking's worse, really
20:18.20WintreThough getting rid of that just won' work
20:18.20fliplapthe same way people don't like polution
20:18.25fliplapso they pass laws against it
20:18.38dougheckasmoking is polution to my lungs
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20:19.01O2If other people are drinking, it doesn't bother me,  unless they're drunk and abusive.
20:19.01fliplapthey don't just post a sign at the city gates that this is a smog belching city and if you don't like it don't come in
20:19.06dougheckanot dead mind you, just on my side strugling for air
20:19.18fliplapdrink all you want, your beer doesn't make my food taste worse
20:19.29dougheckasure
20:19.32O2Exactly
20:19.39dougheckaas long they dont kill me or others while driving :)
20:19.45fliplapnod
20:19.58fliplapi have a beer or 2 with dinner every so often
20:20.08O2If cigarettes wouldn't smell and polute my longs, I would not have anything against smoking.
20:20.10treke|homefliplap: my problem is, I dont see why your food tasting good should be a matter of law.
20:20.34ljp_laptopthey should have 'sneak-a-toke' for tobaco smokers
20:20.47dougheckawhy not put filters on the cigarets
20:20.51fliplaptreke|home: its a matter of health as well
20:20.59dougheckano smoke, in or out :)
20:21.01markdoughecka: the filters do nothing
20:21.12fliplaptreke|home: tho again, the smokers are claiming second hand smoke doesn't hurt anyone
20:21.14dougheckaoh, mini ionnizers
20:21.16doughecka:)
20:21.42markfliplap: i like second hand smoke :P
20:21.45dougheckahmm
20:21.49O2I'd like to see that proved.
20:22.02O2Or proven.
20:22.02treke|homemark: cool. so I'm not the only one who doesnt mind it :)
20:22.04dougheckaI know it! baseball hats with ionizers on it!
20:22.11dougheckasmoke will just disapear
20:22.15fliplapmark: i like big loud cars that belch smoke and squeel tires...THE MAN doesn't agree with me
20:22.31treke|homedown with the man
20:22.44dougheckaI dont either
20:22.48dougheckaand I am 16 :P
20:22.52marktreke|home: heh, yeh.  i get just enough of it too keep me off smoking myself :)
20:22.56treke|homehehe
20:22.58dougheckaerr, the other way
20:23.00dougheckaI mind them
20:23.01doughecka:)
20:23.02fliplapbut then, my big loud car belching smoking smoke doesn't actually hurt you does it?
20:23.13treke|homedepends
20:23.16treke|homeam I right in front of it?
20:23.16dougheckaif theres noise, ,yes :)
20:23.17ljp_laptopnext time you see a person smoking oin a restaurant, go  fart really loudly by them
20:23.18fliplapbut it annoys you
20:23.20dougheckaLOL
20:23.26fliplaptreke|home: no, you're right behind me
20:23.31Wolf-LOL!@!!
20:23.32treke|homethen no it doesnt
20:23.41fliplapwhen i'm sqeeling my tires at a stop light
20:23.44treke|homeannoy me, possibly
20:23.48fliplapand kicking up tons of rubber smoke
20:24.05Wolf-I'v just been poking around looking at other free shell providers.... this one guy is almost a clone of me
20:24.11fliplapand my big fat exhaust is burning 2 quarts of oil a week
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20:24.26Wolf-his info page is a copy/paste of mine lol
20:24.38dougheckalol
20:24.54Wolf-TheMasterMind1: Sprint PCS Vision rocks :)
20:25.03fliplappeople still give away free shells?
20:25.09Wolf-oh ya
20:25.15dougheckayea, tis called linuux
20:25.16TheMasterMind1Wolf-: hehe
20:25.17fliplapi mean, people i don't know
20:25.18TheMasterMind1Wolf-: indeed
20:25.44Wolf-http://www.bylur.net/free/ <- a nice long list of providers
20:26.13TheMasterMind1Wolf-: what phone do you have?
20:26.22Wolf-TheMasterMind1 Samsung A500
20:26.25TheMasterMind1ah
20:26.27TheMasterMind1the big one
20:26.36Wolf-expensive, not big ;P
20:26.38TheMasterMind1or is that the flip
20:26.44Wolf-yep the flip
20:26.48TheMasterMind1cool
20:26.50TheMasterMind1i have the lg5350
20:27.04Wolf-I used to sell sprint service
20:27.05TheMasterMind1great phone, and its data cable is serial so easily hackable to work with zaurus
20:27.09TheMasterMind1Wolf-: heh, nice
20:27.22TheMasterMind1can you get me any discounts? =D
20:27.40Wolf-worked for Rat Shack up until recently when I quit :)
20:27.47TheMasterMind1ah
20:27.50TheMasterMind1thats where i bought mine
20:28.06Wolf-cool
20:28.54fliplapuhg, i hate when i do lots of physical activity and the soreness doesn't hit me til the next day
20:28.55Wolf-first time I'v seen someone on IRC that was using vision
20:29.28TheMasterMind1phone line in house is dead, so no dsl
20:29.34TheMasterMind1been using phone+laptop for past couple days
20:29.45fliplapmy arms and abs are killing me
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20:29.52Wolf-don't use it too much, they'll wana charge ya extra for it
20:31.11Wolf-the $15/mo for vision is only really for the minibrowser and downloading, if ya do alot of data transfer using the cable they'll hit ya up for it :P
20:31.20TheMasterMind1yea no doubt
20:31.28Wolf-actually, nevermind, I have stock in PCS, use it more!
20:31.32Wolf-:>
20:31.55TheMasterMind1so far from what i've read online only a few people have been caught
20:31.58TheMasterMind1lol
20:32.05TheMasterMind1i was looking at cellphonehacks.com the other day
20:32.06TheMasterMind1pretty funny stuff
20:32.09Wolf-well if ya just IRC it doesn't matter
20:32.15TheMasterMind1ways to not have to pay your bill
20:32.24Wolf-downloads and online gaming will pop flags :P
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20:32.40Wolf-it's not cell, it's PCS hehe
20:33.33TheMasterMind1how do they differentiate between downloads and any other traffic
20:33.42TheMasterMind1on the traffic level it all looks the same
20:33.47Wolf-abount of data traffic
20:33.53TheMasterMind1k
20:34.05Wolf-difference between 100kb transfered, and 200mb :P
20:34.17TheMasterMind1i need to figure out how to get into that menu that tells you how much data transfer there's been in the life of the phone
20:34.25Wolf-while offline, you can check yer phone's data transfer with: ##786
20:34.37Wolf-lol read yer mind
20:34.38Wolf-:P
20:34.38TheMasterMind1don't i need that whatchamacallit ID though
20:34.44Wolf-no
20:35.30Wolf-mine is currently at 87MB
20:35.49Wolf-I'm still on my emp plan heh
20:36.02Wolf-$15/mo for 750 anytime 750 N/W + vision + voice command
20:38.27TheMasterMind1jeez
20:38.29TheMasterMind1thats insane
20:38.30TheMasterMind1i want that!!
20:38.34Wolf-lol
20:39.05Wolf-I'm sure they'll realize I quit sometime and take it away
20:44.01TheMasterMind1lol
20:44.09TheMasterMind1what's my ping like?
20:44.40Wolf-2sec
20:46.15TheMasterMind1heh
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21:00.09dougheckaur still test
21:01.34dougheckamoin
21:01.41chouimatdoughecka: hi
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21:10.06dougheckahmm
21:10.26dougheckaon a zaurus?
21:10.27dougheckacool
21:11.30TheMasterMind1~ibot zencoder
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21:11.38dougheckaumm
21:11.45dougheckalol
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21:43.56TheMasterMind1Wolf-: know anything about the gps features on these phones?
21:44.14dougheckahmm, did anyone see anything? :)
21:44.18TheMasterMind1yes
21:44.21TheMasterMind1good job testing
21:44.22yeiazelyes
21:44.32dougheckaah, I was wondering why it didnt show up
21:44.33dougheckafor me at least
21:44.59dougheckado I have to be in the channel?
21:45.12TheMasterMind1doughecka: yes, since +n is turned on
21:45.16dougheckaah
21:45.38dougheckathats what no external messages mean
21:45.38doughecka:)
21:45.45dougheckafliplap: I did it once :P
21:45.54fliplapthat abd you can't /msg the channel either
21:46.11dougheckaoh?
21:46.22fliplapnot when you're no in it
21:46.31dougheckaso if it was off I could /msg #zaurus you cant kick me hahahaha
21:46.41fliplapyeah
21:46.48Wolf-TheMasterMind1: yes, what ya need to know?
21:46.48dougheckathats annoying
21:46.49fliplapsince you aren't in the channel anyway
21:47.01dougheckahmm, y ea
21:47.03fliplapthats why almost every channel is +n :-)
21:47.06dougheckahe
21:47.23fliplapi'm only in one, on a tiny private network, that isn't
21:47.43dougheckaah
21:47.48dougheckawhat tiny pricate network? :P
21:48.01fliplapthats why its private :-)
21:48.07dougheckaheheh
21:51.25TheMasterMind1Wolf-: can i use it?
21:51.29TheMasterMind1Wolf-: hehe
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22:08.04dougheckaTo cease smoking is the easiset thing I ever did. I ought to know, I've done it a thousand times.
22:09.53treke|homemy favorite "oh I can stop. I do it a dozen times each day"
22:10.01dougheckahehe
22:10.07dougheckamark twain said that
22:16.13ljp_laptopwho's mark twain?
22:16.23markstop saying mark
22:16.35treke|homedont saymark
22:16.38Wolf-TheMasterMind1: it's only for E911 stuff, it's not accessable by the user, yet :)
22:16.40treke|homeer mark
22:16.48ljp_laptopdoesnt he work for redhat now days?
22:16.48dougheckamark
22:16.53dougheckawhy mark?
22:16.55doughecka:)
22:17.00TheMasterMind1Wolf-: yet eh
22:17.11dougheckafoo bar, he switch names
22:17.15doughecka:)
22:17.16ljp_laptopmarky mark made some aweful music
22:17.32treke|homeso who here uses foo as a temporary variable?
22:17.42ljp_laptopnever had
22:17.46ljp_laptophave
22:17.48Wolf-TheMasterMind1: ya, sometime they will have java apps and web pages that will use the GPS data
22:17.54treke|homeljp_laptop: try foo
22:17.59TheMasterMind1Wolf-: that'll be pretty sweet
22:18.00ljp_laptopno
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22:18.07treke|homefoo is great
22:18.10Wolf-yes it will :)
22:18.23fooGeorge-: freeuk have sorted out your dns
22:18.27ljp_laptopfoo is boo
22:18.43George-foo: how do you know?
22:18.46ljp_laptopwrite a whole app using foo type things
22:18.50TheMasterMind1i want that employee plan... wonder if i can call em up and tell em i work at radio shack or something and get it
22:19.11fooGeorge-: ~Test@adsl-158-105.freeuk.com instead of an IP address
22:19.18George-foo: heh
22:19.29George-foo: perhaps it's cause I changed my dns server settings
22:19.39Wolf-TheMasterMind1: nope, I have (had) an account manager I had to contact, and she talked to the district people to confirm I work for RS :P
22:19.59fooGeorge-: no, the reverse DNS is independant of that
22:20.04treke|homeunfortunatly my barber is 45 minutes away
22:20.10dougheckalol
22:20.18ljp_laptopmy barber is my step sister
22:20.25George-foo: oh?
22:20.49chouimatwhat's a barber?
22:20.53chouimat:)
22:20.54dougheckawhats hair
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22:21.20ljp_laptopwhats foo?
22:21.28George-what's linux?
22:21.52dougheckawhats life?
22:22.10foonot sitting round on irc at 12pm? :)
22:22.14fliplapbar?
22:22.22George-chouimat: perv
22:22.26dougheckahmm
22:22.29treke|homechouimat: have fun
22:22.34fliplapnothing wrong with that
22:23.04ljp_laptopI think linux is that guy who wrote that open sores operating system all by himself
22:23.14fliplapheh, i know what my neighbors have likely seen my ex and i do in my backyard
22:23.48fliplapi wonder how the law works when you've got 2 story houses on each side
22:23.50ljp_laptopwhat's thatr? fight?
22:23.57chouimatGeorge-: I hope you will discover the other sex soon because you may end like a 28 years man I know here .... he never had sex of his life, he spend his day and night in front of his computer writing coleco games
22:24.10fliplaphah
22:24.11ljp_laptophehe
22:24.27fliplapGeorge-: yeah man, women are fun, they don't have cooties like the old legends go
22:24.41ljp_laptopsome do
22:24.44dougheckawomen?
22:24.48dougheckawhats that>
22:24.52fliplapwell, stay away from THOSE women
22:25.02fliplapand you should be wrappin it up anyway
22:25.07George-what's a cootie?
22:25.19chouimatfliplap: exactly
22:25.19fliplapits like a cookie, but its infectious
22:25.23ljp_laptop<PROTECTED>
22:25.33George-ibot cootie
22:25.34George-: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
22:25.39George-ibot dict cootie
22:25.41chouimatGeorge-:  remember : Don't be a foul,, wrap your tool
22:25.52fliplaphah
22:26.03treke|homethats fool, not foul
22:26.15chouimattreke|home: thanks :)
22:26.18dougheckasomeone join #heckaman
22:26.26fliplapi dunno, i think its pretty foul if you don't
22:27.42chouimatdamned latex allergie ::(
22:30.06George-brb
22:30.28fliplapchouimat: you're allergic to latex?
22:30.36ljp_laptopme too
22:30.45fliplapman, that sucks
22:30.56fliplapget like a rash or something?
22:31.24foooh common, do we really want to know the answer to that one?
22:31.33fliplapyeah
22:31.37dougheckano, it melts and falls off
22:31.45fliplapheh
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22:32.11George-ahhh
22:32.19George-fucking linksys wireless thing
22:32.22George-needed resetting
22:32.26George-had fubared
22:32.28ljp_laptopexzcuses excuses
22:32.34dougheckafirst airport, then linksys?
22:32.35dougheckawow
22:32.40dougheckayou must be rich
22:32.46ljp_laptopoperator error
22:33.00chouimatfliplap: rash
22:33.01ljp_laptopya, he's a rich military school kid ;)
22:33.07dougheckahaha
22:33.13fliplapsuck
22:33.18George-doughecka: airport card, linksys transmitter
22:33.24dougheckaah
22:33.24George-doughecka: I can't afford an airport base station
22:33.28George-doughecka: and they suck anyway
22:33.30dougheckaand a powerbook
22:33.35George-ljp_laptop: hahaha
22:33.47fliplapi guess you have to use like sheep skin eh?
22:33.49George-ljp_laptop: I have my army combat kit sitting on the floor about 4 feet away :)
22:33.49chouimatfliplap: wasn't a problem tilll 3 years ago, I spent 7 years with the same woman
22:33.55George-ljp_laptop: I'm not joking either
22:33.56fliplapno ribbed ultra thin for you
22:34.14ljp_laptopGeorge-: so
22:34.17dougheckaGeorge-: eh? its true? :)
22:34.31George-doughecka: nah, I'm in the CCF at school
22:34.40dougheckaah
22:34.45chouimatfliplap: ribbed, no spermicide and lubrifian are ok but not 4 days in a row
22:34.54George-doughecka: most private schools in the UK have CCF (Combined Cadet Force == military training sortof)
22:34.54fliplapheh
22:35.01dougheckacool
22:35.12fliplapi dunno much about the natural ones
22:35.15George-although I'm not really an active member... I'm only in the rifle corps
22:35.16dougheckamine is called serviving
22:35.17doughecka:)
22:35.45ljp_laptopthe rifles he uses are rubber band guns
22:35.50fliplapi found one in my car the other day, in the packaging thank god. But its not my brand/style, so i have no idea where it came from
22:35.52chouimatfliplap: I ask the chick to have a medical exam t before going in :))
22:36.00treke|homefliplap: uh oh :)
22:36.06George-ljp_laptop: nah, 7.62mm target rifles
22:36.11fliplapnod, i get checked after every girl i'm with
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22:36.20fliplapeven if she's been checked
22:36.28George-ljp_laptop: we use sniper ammo as well, so they're basically sniper rifles without a scope
22:36.29treke|homefliplap: hopefully your not married :)
22:36.32ljp_laptoppaint guns?
22:36.36fliplapfor the $10 insurance co-pay its worth it
22:36.43chouimatlol
22:36.48George-ljp_laptop: :)
22:37.01fliplaptreke|home: my wife doesn't irc anyway, ok i'm kidding, of course not, i'm 20
22:37.11George-ljp_laptop: these things are accurate enough to hit an orange at 500 metres
22:37.27ljp_laptopnot with your aim
22:37.30dougheckawhy would I hit an orange ar 500 meters
22:37.32fliplappft, but what if i want to shoot limes
22:37.37fliplapwhat now huh?
22:37.40treke|homefliplap: I was talking about the wrong style condom in your car :)
22:37.43dougheckaI bet there aint trees that high
22:37.52fliplaptreke|home: heh
22:37.57George-ljp_laptop: bah
22:38.13ljp_laptop:)
22:38.21George-cya mark|sleep
22:38.22fliplapnah, and i'm not seeing anyone right now either, although i "saw" my ex yesterday
22:38.33mark|sleepnite
22:38.41ljp_laptopyou did your ex?
22:38.49ljp_laptopthats pathetic
22:38.59fliplaphah
22:39.06Wolf-George-, you should work on your port forwarding so ident works :P
22:39.13ljp_laptopchouimat: you done your ex?
22:39.23fliplapwho hasn't done an ex?
22:39.27George-Wolf-: ?
22:39.36chouimatdoughecka: because George- is too far away?
22:39.48fliplapits like one of the perks of breaking up
22:40.09chouimatljp_laptop: ?
22:40.09Wolf-George-: note the ~ infront of your username
22:40.10ljp_laptopgot to let go, or else you stay
22:40.24ljp_laptopdone, as in sexed
22:40.30dougheckawhy would I shoot an orange 500 feet away if I could walk closer and pick it? I have to anyway to pick it up
22:40.31doughecka:)
22:40.32fliplapyou act like there's something wrong with staying
22:40.46chouimatljp_laptop: while I was with her
22:40.51George-doughecka: imagine that orange was my head
22:40.54ljp_laptopshe's not an ex if you are still relating
22:41.03dougheckaI can imagine that easly
22:41.03fliplapdoughecka: but what if it was an enemy orange, gaurd heavily, and you were the only man that could take it out
22:41.16dougheckafliplap: I was joking :P
22:41.28chouimatljp_laptop: we're divorced for 3 years and I didn't saw her for the last 2 years
22:41.39fliplapah, divorced is different
22:42.18ljp_laptopis it?
22:42.20chouimatfliplap: yup ....
22:43.24fliplapmy ex is only an ex because her parents hate me and she was financially dependant on her parents, tho she's got a good job now
22:43.55ljp_laptopif you are still seeing her she;s not an ex
22:44.00fliplaptho she's still way too emotionally dependant on her
22:44.06fliplaper, on them
22:44.23fliplapljp_laptop: i'm not still seeing her, i saw her for the first time in 4 month yesterday
22:44.37chouimatfliplap: my ex-mother-in-law didn't like me too but since my ex-wife wasn't able to be with her mother for more than 30 minutes I was ok
22:44.55ljp_laptop:)
22:44.57fliplapchouimat: let me switch parents to -entire family-
22:45.08chouimatfliplap: haha
22:45.19fliplapsee, i was raised muslim, and really look it
22:45.23fliplapand she's jewish
22:45.27chouimatfliplap: ewww
22:45.36WintreJesus
22:45.47chouimatfliplap: not you r relation but the situation
22:46.03fliplapher grandmother would warn her not to get on a plane with me
22:46.25fliplapand that i might take her back to me palace in iraq, it was all very stupid
22:46.31fliplaps/me/my
22:49.43chouimatfliplap: that stupid but look I came from a relatively wealthy family and my ex-wife came from a lower-middle class family  and her mother said to her "be cautious because he don't have the same living habit than us"
22:50.00ljp_laptopoi
22:50.20fliplapyup, hers here the same way
22:50.41fliplapshe came from a pretty wealthy family, and i'm from a middle class family
22:51.30chouimatfliplap: the last nes I got from her  is that she now with a dentist (45 years old, she's 28 )
22:51.37chouimats/nes/news
22:51.45fliplapher parents were big on marrying her off, they didn't see me a viable husband
22:51.50fliplapheh
22:52.24chouimatmarriage == end of fun
22:52.32fliplapheh
22:52.49George-anyone know if kergoths finished moving to Texas?
22:52.50chouimatfliplap: I had a bad experience
22:53.00fliplapi'm not interested in marriage any time soon
22:53.06fliplapi want to finish my degree first
22:53.12ljp_laptopGeorge-: current driving there
22:53.14chouimatGeorge-: they arrested him at the border
22:53.21George-chouimat: hahahahahaa
22:53.27ljp_laptopheh said he needed a passport and work visa
22:53.28George-ljp_laptop: ahh
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22:53.49treke|homethey dont arrest you at the border in texas
22:53.51treke|homethey shoot you
22:53.53George-He must be REALLY happy to get the hell out of tech support
22:54.02George-rofl
22:54.08George-treke, you mean bastard
22:54.55fliplaptreke|home: you're thinking alabama, in texas you're drawn and quartered
22:54.56warmiI wish more states were like Texas
22:55.10fliplapthats after they lasso you
22:55.34George-should I flash my 5000D with ROM 3.1 or not?
22:55.43fliplapno
22:55.47George-I'm running OZ at the mo, but I'm interested as to these improvements
22:55.48warmiGeorge: you can't
22:56.05George-warmi: wanna bet? :)
22:56.36treke|homethere is no real 3.1 for 5000d. just the hack
22:56.36George-http://www.cacko.biz/zaurus.html
22:56.44ljp_laptopsomeone hacked a 5000d rom with the old kernel
22:56.52George-treke|home: you mean the normal zaurus rom isn't a hack? :)
22:56.57ljp_laptopI am going to flah that
22:57.52George-is the 5500 2.4.18 kernel source released?
22:58.00ljp_laptopno
22:58.13treke|homeyes
22:58.23George-hrmm
22:58.28George-Which is the right answer?!!?
22:58.33treke|homeguess
22:58.47George-ljps
22:59.18treke|homeljp_laptop: the code was part of the 2.4.18 source release done for the 5600
22:59.54ljp_laptopoh
23:00.09ljp_laptophmm
23:00.20ljp_laptoptoo bad there's no sd
23:00.33warmiI wonder if 3.1 upgrade for 5000d would fix problems with batter meter
23:00.37treke|homeexcept on kergoth's hard drive
23:01.58ljp_laptoptrue
23:02.17ljp_laptophey they released that rom, so now kergoth can use that module
23:02.20George-ljp_laptop: just steal the kernel module from the 3.1 rom update
23:02.40George-ljp_laptop: romburst it, then mount -o loop -t cramfs initrd.bin /mnt/temp
23:02.51ljp_laptopya yua ya george I know
23:03.21ljp_laptopcept I dont need to use tha tsilly romburst app
23:03.31ljp_laptopdd does just fine
23:03.37chouimatwow! George- I'm impress
23:04.03ljp_laptophe googled for that
23:06.09chouimatljp_laptop: yup
23:06.33George-ljp_laptop: lies
23:06.45George-ljp_laptop: I've been thru the process that many times.. ;)
23:07.04George-ljp_laptop: especially after fucking about with Psilinux and stuff for several years
23:07.29ljp_laptopuh huh
23:07.46ljp_laptopthe process of googling that is ;)
23:10.44George-bah
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23:10.47rastakidHi
23:10.57dougheckaGeorge-: join #heckaman
23:11.01rastakidDo I need to have a SD or CF memory card when I want to upgrade to ROM 3.10?
23:11.17dougheckanot really
23:11.22dougheckabut its safer that way :)
23:11.39rastakiddoughecka: please define safer.
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23:12.24dougheckalike, if the USB does something bad and messes up a bit or 2, it might brick the pda
23:12.35dougheckabut if ur on windows, I think you are ok
23:12.37dougheckadu nno
23:12.38dougheckaask
23:13.07fliplapyeah, just get a CF card
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23:13.17rastakidfliplap: not everyone has the money for that :-(
23:13.20fliplapthey're cheap and you only need a 16meg
23:13.30doughecka32 for sharp
23:13.44rastakidhmm.. well, I think I can borrow an SD card, will that do the trick?
23:13.50fliplapeven those are cheap
23:13.57fliplapmaybe $15 or $20?
23:14.06dougheckabut if USB does mess it up, sharp will fix it for free
23:14.14doughecka3 bucks shipping, ,and waiting a week
23:14.22dougheckafliplap: can you flash from sd cards?
23:14.48rastakiddoughecka: I don't think that'll work for me: I live in The Netherlands, and I imported my Z from the USA. :-/
23:15.00dougheckathey have one in eurup
23:15.07dougheckaI think, and it dont even have to be uunder warrently
23:15.12rastakidyeah, the SL-5500G. The German version.
23:15.17rastakidGerman keyboard lay-out that is.
23:15.29dougheckacool,
23:15.49fliplapdoughecka: no
23:15.49rastakidAnd why would a file transfer mess things up? I sure hope that the upgrade software use file checksums.
23:16.00fliplap32meg Sandisk CF card, $18 on buy.com
23:16.10dougheckayou would hope :)
23:16.13ljp_laptopit _could_ mess things up
23:16.13rastakidHmm.. that's cheap.
23:16.29ljp_laptopdoesn tmean it will
23:16.42rastakidljp_laptop: why? I don't understand, why doesn't the upgrade utility check the files first on changes and things liek that?
23:16.53rastakidljp_laptop: so, chances aren't big?
23:16.55fliplapand thats not on sale or anything, you can probably find em cheaper
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23:17.01dougheckacould someone try joining #heckaman?
23:17.26ljp_laptopthats not the point, if something were to happen when it was transfering files, the bootloader could get fried
23:17.38ljp_laptopwhats in #heckaman?
23:17.45rastakidljp_laptop: ack.
23:17.47fliplapnothing
23:18.05fliplaprastakid: its worth your $18, plus you can store mp3s or videos on it
23:18.07ljp_laptopI think its relately safe though. I use a cf though
23:18.25dougheckacpp;
23:18.38fliplapi can fit an entire tv show in decent quality in a 30meg xvid/divx5
23:18.45rastakidfliplap: thank you, I'll look at it. Unfortunately, I have to buy a new 802.11b CF card too, due to hardware failures I'm experiencing with my Linksys WCF-12.
23:19.05fliplapheh
23:23.19O2rastakid: how and where did you order your 5500? I'm looking to buy one too but ebay has been a bitch to me.
23:23.45dougheckaUSD
23:23.46doughecka:)
23:23.49O2Geez!
23:23.56O2Stupid country I live in.
23:24.01dougheckafrom ebay too
23:24.32rastakidO2: I bought one from buy.com
23:24.38O2I've been looking around, ordering from Tigerdirect would probably be cheaper than getting one off German ebay.
23:24.58rastakidO2: I paid $500 for the Z, the Linksys WCF-12 WiFi CF card, all send costs and the import duties and such.
23:25.26O2Hm $348,99
23:25.31O2Not really what I had in mind :)
23:25.38dougheckalol
23:25.41O2Tigerdirect has refurbished ones for $199.
23:25.46doughecka199 at tigerdirect
23:25.51O2How long did the shipping take?
23:26.20rastakidLess than two weeks, but that was because they were out of stocks.
23:26.25rastakidThese prices were around september 2002.
23:26.58O2I think I'm gonna try and get one off Tigerdirect... dollar exchange rate is quite in my advantage at the moment.
23:27.06O2Only thing... I have to call them to order.
23:27.22dougheckalol
23:27.24O2Telephone is an unreliable medium for sales IMO.
23:27.26find_mememory seems quiet less, how do i get more memory and how much does it cost ?
23:27.34dougheckaebay ebay ebay
23:27.39dougheckaamericas new pawn shop
23:27.43rastakidheheheh
23:27.45O2I bet they'll get my address wrong.
23:28.05find_meah,
23:28.06dougheckaspeak in pig latin
23:28.12dougheckatis world wide languege
23:28.18O2Heh
23:28.27rastakidO2: Just wondering: in/near which city do you live?
23:28.39O220KM below Assen
23:28.47rastakidAck, I'm in Haarlem.
23:28.50doughecka~country nl
23:28.57doughecka~country .nl
23:28.57i guess country .nl is netherlands
23:29.01dougheckacool
23:29.09dougheckadas nederlands
23:29.11O2If you want to sell it for $200, I'll come and pick it up :)
23:29.37rastakidNope sorry, I'm very happen with my Z :)
23:29.49dougheckahmm
23:29.57O2I think there are like 7 Z's in this entire coutry.
23:29.59rastakidIt just sucks that I still can't IRC out of my bed (WiFi), due some stupid probs :-/
23:29.59dougheckathis is odd, 2 people, same country, ,yet talking in english
23:30.00O2country*
23:30.02fliplapi got mine for $169 during the HSN thing
23:30.13rastakidO2: yes, I know two except me.
23:30.19rastakidI bought my Z together with a friend.
23:30.32O2German ebay has quite a few, but I get overbid all the time.
23:30.35rastakiddoughecka: I don't think people will like it when we talk dutch in here.
23:30.55doughecka~x en de yea, so whats the problem? :P
23:30.58fliplapi've met one person with one at an electronics store
23:31.05rastakiddoughecka: translation: Ik denk dat niet iedereen het leuk vindt, als we hier Nederlands gaan praten.
23:31.07fliplapand a friend of mine bought one
23:31.15O2I've seen some being sold for EUR 230 or so, but if I try to bid they'll get to 330+
23:31.19O2And that's just about my max.
23:31.27doughecka~x de en Ik denk dat niet iedereen het leuk vindt, als we hier Nederlands gaan praten.
23:31.30fliplapheh
23:31.34dougheckahrm
23:31.43doughecka~x nl en Ik denk dat niet iedereen het leuk vindt, als we hier Nederlands gaan praten.
23:32.01O2Dutch ebay totally blows.
23:32.11rastakidO2: you tried marktplaats.nl ?
23:32.13dougheckado they have wooden shoes on there?
23:32.18rastakiddoughecka: yes, they do.
23:32.19O2Yeah, not a single machine
23:32.30dougheckahaaa
23:32.34O2Ohh just some old Zaurus, the real organiser kind.
23:32.46O2doughecka: there's anything else besides wooden shoes?
23:32.46rastakiddoughecka: however, it's not like how it is on tv: we only got a few mills left (mostly wind mills nowadays ;-) and we don't were wooden shoes.
23:33.18dougheckaheh
23:33.30fliplapdo you still skip everywhere and pick tulips?
23:33.43dougheckafliplap: I thought it was potatos
23:33.54rastakidfliplap: do you tulips are originally imported from Turkey? We didn't invent those things at all.
23:34.31dougheckarastakid: I invented them actully, they just want you to think the US is a person who sits on irc all day
23:34.34fliplaprastakid: i figured we were just talking stereotypes, i was about to ask you about the large breasted women in pigtails
23:35.01fliplapbut i mean, from what it sounds like, no mills, no shoes, no flowers, probably no large breasted women
23:35.20O2No free weed either.
23:35.26chouimathuh?
23:35.33dougheckalol
23:36.11rastakidfliplap: no, the women are real.
23:36.24fliplapi don't believe it
23:36.28O2The big breasts tend to come with big bellies though.
23:36.32rastakidNope, not free, still you're allowed to use it here.
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23:37.08fliplapyou can have large breasts without the ugly
23:37.23dougheckalol
23:37.26chouimatO2: they also came with big ass too .... they need something in the back to keep ttheir equilirium
23:37.36fliplapactually, its mostly just the west coast women
23:37.41O2Hehe
23:37.46fliplapthere's a lot of ugly towns in this country
23:37.59chouimatfliplap: here too
23:38.22fliplapcalifornia and arizona (some parts) are the places to find good looking women in this country
23:38.26O2Well in the US, when living in a rural area, you don't per definition have to be ugly... over here, there's an unbreakable bond between those 2 things.
23:38.38warmichouimat :-)
23:38.42O2When it comes to girls that is.
23:38.49fliplapdude, people in rural US, most of them are ugly
23:39.03warmithere are no rural areas in NL anymore
23:39.06warmi:-=)
23:39.07O2Haha
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23:39.19O2warmi: come and look out my window.
23:39.26warmiit is a one big never ending city
23:39.27O2I was looking for a pic but I can't find one.
23:39.34fliplapand in arizona, if you goto tempe or scottsdale, everyone is beautiful, head out to phoenix and things just get progressively uglier
23:39.41treke|homefliplap: well to be be fair, most people are pretty damn ugly regardless of where you go
23:39.59fliplaptreke|home: you've never been to the ASU campus
23:40.04O2ASU?
23:40.12treke|homeArizona State University
23:40.12fliplaparizona state university
23:40.16O2Ahh
23:40.20rastakidWe still have rural areas, just not around the "Randstad".
23:40.22fliplaplike the easiest school to get into
23:40.30rastakidThe Randstad is the part of NL which tourists mostly see.
23:40.37O2Up north there's plenty of rural space.
23:40.41fliplapit just seems to attract hot blondes
23:41.04treke|homefliplap: because they can get into it :)
23:41.08fliplapexactly
23:41.29fliplapso we end up with lots of good looking people and lots of parties
23:41.45chouimatfliplap: hmmmm that sound like Quebec City :)
23:41.46warmifliplap : there are plenty of good looking chicks in Chicago as well
23:41.55fliplappft, cold places
23:41.57warmifuck .. wherever you go you will find nice ones
23:42.14fliplapi always see way less good looking people in cold places
23:42.22fliplapi mean, its all relative
23:42.23O2Some people can never be pleased :)
23:42.38fliplapi'm used to seeing them, so my standards have gone up :-)
23:42.43warmifliplap: you need to get out more .. 50 miles outsize of Arizona does not qualify as a cold place ;-)
23:42.52chouimatfliplap: it's maybe cold places but with a cold wind in summer you see the nipples more easily :)
23:42.58fliplapwarmi: thats why i said some places in arizona
23:43.23O2I wonder if there's some connection between rural areas and uglyness... like, they don't need to be goodlooking because there's not much choice for a partner.
23:43.28warmione thing I like about Arizona is a total lack of humidity
23:43.31fliplappeople in phoenix can be pretty hideous
23:43.40fliplapflagstaff is nothing to write home about
23:43.40O2Yeah I need to live in Arizona.
23:43.46O2Or Cali for that matter.
23:43.56fliplapyeah you do
23:43.57O2I've been to flagstaff :)
23:44.04rastakid<flamewar>Or Canada</flamewar> ;-)
23:44.14chouimatO2: here the chicks  that came from rural areas are very very very horny
23:44.27fliplapalthough, i have seen some hot canadian girls
23:44.27O2Does Canada have places where it's 100 degrees daily?
23:44.33fliplapbut they all moved to arizona :-)
23:44.40rastakidYeah, they only 'had' sheep and goats ;)
23:44.44chouimatO2: no
23:44.57O2chouimat: horny doesn't do me good if they can't get me horny ;)
23:45.06O2Hm then I guess Canada is not an option :)
23:45.07doughecka<PROTECTED>
23:45.11fliplapits exactly 100 at the airport right now
23:45.23rastakidHa! I'm op there! ;)
23:45.28chouimatcurrently 13C now
23:45.30dougheckahaa
23:45.36warmifliplap : yeah , I been to Phoenix .. I got burned leaning on phonebooth
23:46.24O2I was planning on moving to the US anyway... only I need some career oppurtunities.
23:46.27warmihere it is like 18C now
23:46.50warmiO2: well, you are 5 years late :-)
23:47.01O2Yeah I know :/
23:47.09warmistill ,even with this current downturn
23:47.12O2Not that this country has much perspective.
23:47.23warmiUS offers way more opportunities then Europe
23:47.29fliplap38.7C at the airport
23:47.35fliplaphaha, my ex just called
23:47.48rastakidfliplap: yeah, that's a good one.
23:47.49rastakid;-)
23:47.58O2That's the kind of temperatures I need.
23:48.31fliplapwe've got the AC pumping and the place sealed up right now
23:48.35O2Heh, I was in Indiana about 2 years ago, and everyone was inside in their airconditioned vaults, while I was sitting outside enjoying the sun.
23:48.43rastakidO2: heheh, I don't think you can handle 38.7C on a yearly basis.. if you've lived in NL, you'll think it's too hot to do a damn thing anywhere.
23:48.57rastakid(NL eq "rain")
23:49.09fliplapwell
23:49.15O2I think I can manage, generally I think it's *way* too cold over here.
23:49.17fliplapits only 100 for like 5 months a year
23:49.21fliplap5-6 months
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23:49.33fliplaptho i can get up to ~120
23:49.36chouimatrastakid: I was in Amsterdam in last december and people think that 2C is cold there :)
23:49.44O2It is!
23:49.45O2Heh
23:49.49fliplapi think our record is 124
23:50.01O2I think we got -20 or so last winter, but that's exceptional.
23:50.06rastakidchouimat: it is, because of the fact that we got a very high.. erm.. how do you call it.. the amount of water in the air..
23:50.09chouimatO2: I get back from a club at -43C last winder
23:50.11fliplap20F right?
23:50.12O2I might be exaggerating.
23:50.14fliplaper -20
23:50.16rastakidO2: translate please: "luchtvochtigheid"
23:50.17O2C
23:50.21O2humidity
23:50.24fliplapdayum
23:50.26rastakidexactly.
23:50.36fliplapi couldn't put up with that
23:50.43fliplapthat leads to ugly girls bundled up
23:50.49chouimatfliplap: we get -20C on a regular besis here
23:50.49O2Hehe
23:50.53fliplapheat leads to hot girls and lots of skin
23:50.56rastakidI've got family in Calgary, Canda. And they said that -28C degrees in Canada is about the same as 9-10C degrees in NL.
23:51.09fliplapspeaking up hot girls, i gotta clean up
23:51.18fliplapthe ex is heading over
23:51.34rastakidfliplap: back2business?
23:51.54chouimatrastakid: depend of which part  of canada you talk ... Calgary is fairly dry .... Quebec City got a fairly humid climate
23:52.06rastakidchouimat: acknowledged.
23:52.11fliplapif its anything like yesterdays business we'll have to make it quick, i'm outta here in 2 hours
23:52.14O2Bleh, this country sucks... bad weather, ugly girls and no trace of Zaurii :{
23:52.32chouimatrastakid: but any way below -25C is fucking cold
23:52.36rastakidfliplap: what you did? you managed the 'taxes'?
23:52.48O2If there's no wind, it's not too bad.
23:52.55fliplapright well, now i'm just confused
23:52.57rastakidO2: yeah, the girl part is your fault: you live near Assen! ;-)
23:53.01fliplaptaxes are a bad thing
23:53.05O2Hehehe
23:53.54O2fliplap: oh have I mentioned taxes are pretty high over here?
23:53.57warmifliplap : hehehe
23:53.59O2Nothing like Sweden, but still.
23:54.06rastakidour VAT is 19%.
23:54.18warmifliplap : VAT is like state sales tax right ?
23:54.30O2Yeah
23:54.36chouimatrastakid: if I count all taxes I pay I give about 53% of my salary to the gov
23:54.37fliplapwtf is VAT
23:54.38O26% in the US if I'm right
23:54.38rastakidwarmi: VAT = Value Added Tax IIRC.
23:54.42warmiwe have 6.5 % sales tax
23:54.51chouimatwarmi: here it
23:54.52fliplapwe have 8% sales tax here
23:54.53warmiin our state .. some states have none
23:55.08O2chouimat: do you make a lot of money?
23:55.09chouimatwarmi: here it's  a 7% federal GST and a 8% PST :(
23:55.14O2Or is that standard?
23:55.14fliplapchouimat: thats about what it is in the US
23:55.28rastakidO2: But don't forget we have a lot of government money spent on social 'subsidies'.
23:55.33warmioverall my taxation rate is around 20$
23:55.36warmi20% that is
23:55.42rastakidGeez.. I'm so freaking tired.. even dropping my english atm :-/
23:55.50warmionly cause I have a kid .. normally my tax bracket would be paying 27%
23:56.06chouimatO2: I made my calculation with the higher taxes bracket so that way I keep more money in my accounts,,j just in case
23:56.12rastakidwarmi: so, there _are_ good parts about parentship? ;-)
23:56.29warmirastakid hah ..
23:56.38warmiyeah, it sweetens the deal a bit
23:56.41O2Maybe I'll get a kid if I'm 60 and extremely bored... but not until then.
23:56.57chouimatfliplap: I know but the incomes taxes are higher here about 39% to 53%
23:56.58rastakidO2: I wouldn't do that, if I were you.
23:57.09rastakidO2: way too old, imho.
23:57.22warminow with this new tax cut my rate will go down to aroun 18% or so
23:57.25O2Ok, then I just won't get any children.
23:57.26warmigreat news
23:57.26O2:)
23:57.46chouimatO2: my uncle got his first kid at 41 ...
23:58.00O2That's pretty old.
23:58.06O2What about the woman?
23:58.10chouimatO2: 39
23:58.17O2Hm that can be dangerous.
23:58.33chouimatO2: yup ...
23:58.49rastakidThe boyfriend of a friend of mine, has a father of 71 years. He's only 17.
23:59.06O2That's just sick.
23:59.17rastakidIndeed, that's even older than my granddad.
23:59.23O2And physically challenging, even :)
23:59.23warmihah
23:59.42warmiwell, if you start early you will be done with it around 40 or so

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