| 00:00.40 | nz | usbnet |
| 00:01.01 | nz | arg, it needs to be usdb |
| 00:01.04 | nz | one sec brb |
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| 00:20.18 | flipdesk | hrm, deciding if i should order this laptop battery, its essentially the same battery, but the EOM for the laptop made connector very slightly differnt, but not the contacts. I'm thinking with the tinyest bit of dremel work it should be fine |
| 00:21.10 | flipdesk | s/EOM/OEM/ |
| 00:39.50 | nz | dam i cant find the usbdnet module |
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| 01:05.13 | doughecka | I need a RTF reader for OZ |
| 01:09.27 | hardwire | make one.. |
| 01:09.36 | doughecka | patches welcome.. |
| 01:09.40 | doughecka | ;) |
| 01:09.45 | doughecka | HEY hardwire! |
| 01:09.58 | hardwire | my next door neighbor's dog was named patches |
| 01:10.04 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:10.37 | hardwire | whats new ye old fart. |
| 01:10.46 | ljp_laptop | ssh into a linux desktop |
| 01:11.12 | doughecka | ljp_laptop: and sit at my desk peering at my PDA to read ebooks? |
| 01:11.18 | doughecka | no thanks :P |
| 01:11.47 | ljp_laptop | oh well. your choice |
| 01:12.10 | doughecka | oh? |
| 01:12.17 | doughecka | ur IRC client reads to you? |
| 01:12.53 | ljp_laptop | hehehe. nope. my cat |
| 01:12.59 | hardwire | your cat can read IRC? |
| 01:13.06 | hardwire | KILL LJP! |
| 01:13.07 | ljp_laptop | yes, and type |
| 01:13.10 | hardwire | YES YOU CATQ |
| 01:13.13 | hardwire | flakjfsadf |
| 01:13.15 | hardwire | damnit |
| 01:13.16 | ljp_laptop | caps lock |
| 01:13.18 | doughecka | and do english? |
| 01:13.24 | ljp_laptop | meow |
| 01:13.26 | doughecka | ~caps lock |
| 01:13.32 | doughecka | uh huh |
| 01:13.37 | doughecka | gimme photos! |
| 01:13.48 | ljp_laptop | my cat is fluent in meow |
| 01:14.06 | doughecka | uh huh, well my cats can chase my dog... :P |
| 01:14.19 | hardwire | my cat chases dogs |
| 01:14.23 | ljp_laptop | thats normal, cause cats rule |
| 01:14.24 | hardwire | he is a bastard |
| 01:14.25 | doughecka | but only if the dog is carrying some dead animal |
| 01:14.36 | doughecka | then the dog chases cats |
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| 01:14.37 | hardwire | like him? |
| 01:14.46 | doughecka | like dead cats :P |
| 01:14.57 | doughecka | find_me: I know where you are |
| 01:15.14 | find_me | doughecka: he he. i am insize the zaurus. |
| 01:15.31 | doughecka | curses, they are allways doin that |
| 01:15.42 | hardwire | hehe |
| 01:16.12 | doughecka | I now know where the pingizauru came from! |
| 01:16.27 | find_me | who is selling cheapest zaurus |
| 01:16.34 | hardwire | china china china |
| 01:16.40 | doughecka | tigerdirect |
| 01:16.57 | doughecka | japan japan japan |
| 01:16.57 | ljp_laptop | some dude on the corner |
| 01:16.58 | doughecka | :P |
| 01:17.00 | find_me | but is tigerdirect offering latest zaurus |
| 01:17.08 | doughecka | find_me: the 5500 |
| 01:17.14 | doughecka | the latest and greatest |
| 01:17.23 | doughecka | er, was a few months ago |
| 01:17.39 | find_me | ah |
| 01:17.55 | cdm | doughecka: yeah, 5600 is the latest. |
| 01:18.10 | doughecka | actully the C760 is |
| 01:18.11 | doughecka | :P |
| 01:18.21 | cdm | not in north america. ;) |
| 01:18.32 | doughecka | thats ur problem ;P |
| 01:18.46 | ljp_laptop | and NA is the center of the frickin universe |
| 01:19.07 | subdue | looks like dynamism is going to have all the c7x0 models for purchase |
| 01:19.36 | treke | Sodium? |
| 01:20.02 | cdm | subdue: I would rather see Sharp USA sell them. |
| 01:20.02 | ljp_laptop | North America |
| 01:20.03 | doughecka | I only covered citys, countrys, planets, stars, clusters, and galaxys |
| 01:20.10 | subdue | cdm: ditto. |
| 01:20.32 | ljp_laptop | watch out for that Vogon constructor fleet |
| 01:20.55 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:22.20 | doughecka | maybe its hardware |
| 01:23.08 | zar_- | they have c700's forsale at japan-direct.com |
| 01:23.08 | ljp_laptop | oz? |
| 01:23.16 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:23.20 | doughecka | but it happened with sharp too |
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| 01:23.26 | doughecka | and full reset dont work |
| 01:23.32 | treke | raster |
| 01:24.27 | raster | treke: yo yo morning |
| 01:24.38 | ljp_laptop | is it? |
| 01:24.44 | treke | ljp_laptop: get used to it |
| 01:24.46 | doughecka | it is |
| 01:24.50 | treke | ljp_laptop: it will be for you soon :) |
| 01:24.55 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 01:24.55 | doughecka | at least here in EST |
| 01:25.09 | doughecka | ur clocks are waaay off |
| 01:25.30 | ljp_laptop | ya, and at that time, 1 day of mine will not exist |
| 01:25.46 | treke | ljp_laptop: when you leaving, anyways? |
| 01:25.54 | ljp_laptop | lost eomwhere between cali and australia |
| 01:26.03 | ljp_laptop | fuck if I know |
| 01:26.12 | ljp_laptop | maybe 16 weeks |
| 01:26.16 | ljp_laptop | who knows |
| 01:26.30 | doughecka | hehe |
| 01:26.33 | ljp_laptop | not soon enough I know |
| 01:29.29 | ljp_laptop | hopefully it will be closer to another week when I get th ework visa |
| 01:30.02 | doughecka | curses, my /mnt/ram is totaly full |
| 01:30.05 | doughecka | so I cant install apps |
| 01:31.58 | ljp_laptop | rm -rf /mnt/ram |
| 01:32.16 | doughecka | ok doke |
| 01:32.28 | ljp_laptop | :) |
| 01:32.48 | doughecka | hrm |
| 01:32.52 | doughecka | no icon... |
| 01:32.57 | doughecka | and it wont uninstall... |
| 01:34.37 | ljp_laptop | do australians spell color as colour? |
| 01:34.48 | treke | raster: answer the man |
| 01:34.55 | doughecka | cular |
| 01:34.59 | ljp_laptop | heheh |
| 01:35.04 | ljp_laptop | c'ler |
| 01:35.17 | treke | ljp_laptop: they spell it "alcohol" |
| 01:35.21 | find_me | cooooooooooooool eeeeeer |
| 01:35.29 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:36.44 | ljp_laptop | well, back in university, it was spelled lsd |
| 01:36.52 | treke | hippy |
| 01:36.58 | ljp_laptop | ;) |
| 01:37.00 | doughecka | dweeb |
| 01:37.19 | treke | raster: tell him how much people will like a long hair sandle wearing hippy in brisbane |
| 01:37.19 | raster | ljp_laptop: yes we do |
| 01:37.33 | raster | hmmm |
| 01:37.35 | ljp_laptop | hmmm |
| 01:37.44 | raster | not sure about brisie... |
| 01:37.46 | ljp_laptop | I am not long haired |
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| 01:37.59 | doughecka | ljp_laptop: we need proof |
| 01:38.11 | treke | ok. what about a short haired sandle wearing hippie in sidney? |
| 01:38.14 | ljp_laptop | meet me at the airport |
| 01:38.21 | doughecka | gah, horrors |
| 01:38.26 | ljp_laptop | I wont be in sidney |
| 01:38.46 | ljp_laptop | I 'ma gonna be a surfer! |
| 01:38.55 | doughecka | with a zaurus |
| 01:38.59 | ljp_laptop | hehehe |
| 01:39.24 | zar_- | lol |
| 01:40.06 | zar_- | got a wireless cf card :) for my z |
| 01:40.13 | doughecka | talk with the fishes |
| 01:40.22 | ljp_laptop | colour. no sir. dont lik eit. |
| 01:40.45 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:40.48 | ljp_laptop | maybe I can get me new thumbs when I am there |
| 01:41.07 | ljp_laptop | flavour |
| 01:41.11 | ljp_laptop | hmm |
| 01:41.23 | ljp_laptop | doesnt look right |
| 01:41.33 | ljp_laptop | qtoupia |
| 01:41.46 | doughecka | sounds like a new toilet |
| 01:41.49 | ljp_laptop | oupie |
| 01:42.03 | ljp_laptop | oupenembedded |
| 01:42.27 | ljp_laptop | meters |
| 01:42.48 | doughecka | metours |
| 01:42.50 | ljp_laptop | distance I can handle. but colour |
| 01:43.07 | ljp_laptop | looks too french |
| 01:43.11 | doughecka | coloured flavour |
| 01:43.29 | ljp_laptop | coloured flavoured wauter |
| 01:44.06 | doughecka | ick |
| 01:44.11 | doughecka | aka river water |
| 01:44.24 | ljp_laptop | kool-aide |
| 01:44.33 | doughecka | koul-aide |
| 01:44.39 | doughecka | koulie |
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| 01:50.14 | doughecka | I dont even have one for my Z |
| 01:50.15 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:51.52 | ljp_laptop | you steal your z? |
| 01:52.07 | doughecka | ebay! |
| 01:52.13 | doughecka | a 142 buck pda :P |
| 01:52.25 | ljp_laptop | no cradle? |
| 01:52.41 | doughecka | yea, I got me a cradle, but I have to charge it from the USB port |
| 01:55.31 | ljp_laptop | why does my cat think my knee is a scratching post? |
| 01:55.40 | zar_- | got a new one for 199 |
| 01:55.41 | doughecka | it looks like one? |
| 01:55.51 | ljp_laptop | not hairy |
| 01:56.07 | doughecka | the leg or the scratching post? |
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| 01:57.20 | ljp_laptop | the knee is not hairy |
| 01:57.33 | doughecka | ah |
| 01:57.35 | doughecka | get pants then |
| 01:58.09 | ljp_laptop | i have sweat pants on |
| 01:58.29 | doughecka | get a new cat |
| 02:00.40 | ljp_laptop | no, this one just came back |
| 02:00.53 | doughecka | ah |
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| 02:19.15 | CodeYoddler | Has anyone played Knights? |
| 02:19.34 | Bala | the chess game? |
| 02:19.38 | CodeYoddler | Correct |
| 02:20.00 | CodeYoddler | It looks cool, but I don't want to pay the $8 if it isn't a very good game |
| 02:20.12 | treke | its chess |
| 02:20.30 | treke | how much do you need to know |
| 02:20.59 | Bala | lol... you mean you dont get some with it 3d mmorpg too?? |
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| 02:25.32 | ljp_laptop | the author worked hard porting knights, and [robably deserves $8 |
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| 02:34.24 | CodeYoddler | Is compiling and using the source as good as buying it and just installing the IPK? |
| 02:34.35 | treke | no |
| 02:34.50 | CodeYoddler | So buying it is more than just a precompiled version |
| 02:35.02 | treke | yes |
| 02:35.49 | CodeYoddler | What more do you get |
| 02:37.10 | ljp_laptop | the satisfaction of helping the guy that prted it |
| 02:37.27 | ljp_laptop | ported |
| 02:42.42 | ljp_laptop | thats worth eight bucks, isnt it |
| 02:42.59 | CodeYoddler | somewhat |
| 02:43.03 | CodeYoddler | HOw do I compile it |
| 02:43.09 | CodeYoddler | I want to try it first before buying it |
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| 02:45.58 | ljp_laptop | trust me, knights will always kick your ass |
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| 03:15.55 | LordDavon | Hello everyone. |
| 03:16.57 | zar_- | hy |
| 03:16.58 | ljp_laptop | what up G? |
| 03:17.26 | CodeYoddler | Nigga plz |
| 03:17.38 | LordDavon | Quiet in here tonight. |
| 03:17.58 | CodeYoddler | #blenderchat is never quiet |
| 03:18.04 | CodeYoddler | And there is only like 30 people in there |
| 03:19.36 | LordDavon | Anyone here have the libc3.3.2 libraries? |
| 03:19.44 | LordDavon | 3.2.3... Sorry |
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| 03:23.17 | LordDavon | I take that as a no. |
| 03:23.21 | LordDavon | :-) |
| 03:26.45 | DaWorm | hehe |
| 03:27.00 | DaWorm | LordDavon: how are maxprojects going? |
| 03:27.25 | LordDavon | Good. I just have a ton of half finished projects. Working on my DosBOX port right now. |
| 03:28.22 | LordDavon | I am getting so pissed at the SNES port that I am about to just delete it! |
| 03:28.32 | DaWorm | why? |
| 03:29.10 | LordDavon | I am having problems with the screen resolutions. |
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| 03:29.43 | LordDavon | I am getting a picture, but it is out of sync. Think of watching a scrambles cable channel. |
| 03:30.48 | LordDavon | I am upgrading my section on Handhelds to gcc3. |
| 03:31.22 | LordDavon | I had compiled gcc 3.3 (took all day on that thing) and there aren't any libraries available for the Z yet. |
| 03:31.31 | DaWorm | hmm |
| 03:31.31 | LordDavon | I am downgradin it to 3.2.1 now. |
| 03:31.48 | DaWorm | that's why you are looking for 3.2.3 right |
| 03:32.09 | DaWorm | oh wait |
| 03:32.10 | LordDavon | Yes. |
| 03:32.10 | DaWorm | my bad |
| 03:32.52 | kergoth`bbl | LordDavon. |
| 03:32.54 | kergoth`bbl | how goes it |
| 03:33.53 | LordDavon | Heya Kergoth. |
| 03:34.07 | LordDavon | Need another judge for that Sharp contest. ;-) |
| 03:35.18 | DaWorm | kergoth: hey long time no chat |
| 03:35.54 | kergoth | hey DaWorm |
| 03:35.55 | kergoth | yea |
| 03:36.17 | kergoth | LordDavon: what libs were you looking for? |
| 03:36.19 | ljp_laptop | hahaha, I submitted the first and only code snippet at community.zaurus.com |
| 03:36.23 | LordDavon | DaWorm: What do you mean? He is here everytime I am on. ;-) |
| 03:36.37 | kergoth | i'm always in here, what, you think i have a life or something? |
| 03:36.58 | DaWorm | no, what i meant was i was out for a while |
| 03:37.03 | ljp_laptop | ya, how did kergoth get to be a judge? |
| 03:37.04 | LordDavon | CLIB3.2.3 |
| 03:38.02 | LordDavon | ljp: I hear that he paid spence. |
| 03:38.12 | kergoth | shh |
| 03:38.17 | DaWorm | haha |
| 03:39.20 | LordDavon | kergoth: I updated my section on handhelds to gcc3.3 and I couldn't run anything on the Z because there weren't supporting libc and c++ libraries. DOH! |
| 03:39.59 | kergoth | LordDavon: glibc 2.3.2 and 2.3.1 dont compile for arm with gcc 3.3 |
| 03:40.09 | kergoth | LordDavon: nor does cvs, for that matter, though it fails in a different way |
| 03:40.47 | LordDavon | kergoth: I am downgrading everything to 3.2.1 now since there are already arm libs for that. |
| 03:41.20 | DaWorm | the nets won again |
| 03:41.22 | DaWorm | *sigh* |
| 03:42.01 | LordDavon | kergoth: Any issues with 3.2.1 compiling up arm libs? |
| 03:42.28 | kergoth | LordDavon: nope. but remember that anything gcc3 based the c++ abi isnt compatible |
| 03:42.31 | kergoth | beyond that it should work fine |
| 03:42.41 | kergoth | i use a 3.2.3 cross chain for my gcc3 builds normally |
| 03:44.13 | LordDavon | Oh. I might as well as tell everyone... Dynamism has asked me about converting the new Zaurii. ;-) |
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| 03:45.04 | LordDavon | Ack... Handhelds is going to kill me with my use of nohup on their box's. ;-) |
| 03:45.59 | zar_- | lol |
| 03:46.20 | Manicks_Z | did opera browser (in sl 5600) supports java applet? |
| 03:46.34 | LordDavon | sl5600 came with Opera? |
| 03:46.36 | zar_- | gonna get a c700 b4 a 5600 |
| 03:46.54 | Manicks_Z | yes |
| 03:47.22 | LordDavon | zar: I have two of them. Which one you buying? |
| 03:47.58 | LordDavon | Manicks_Z: Is it an updated version for the 5x00 series? |
| 03:48.05 | LordDavon | for=from |
| 03:48.09 | zar_- | c700 |
| 03:48.28 | Manicks_Z | i am not sure |
| 03:48.35 | zar_- | got a 5500 ive ported some stuff to and wrote some qt stuff |
| 03:49.10 | LordDavon | zar: I mean that I have 2 c700's. ;-) |
| 03:49.14 | kergoth | LordDavon: i fucking cracked my touchscreen digitizer on my 5500 |
| 03:49.15 | zar_- | oh lol |
| 03:49.23 | kergoth | LordDavon: now my c700 is the only in tact pda i've got here |
| 03:49.25 | kergoth | :\ |
| 03:49.38 | LordDavon | kergoth: Ack! I don't even have my 5x00 anymore. |
| 03:50.07 | kergoth | LordDavon: you know OZ runs pretty well on the c700 nowadays |
| 03:50.40 | LordDavon | kergoth: Screen rotation and mirror mode working? |
| 03:50.44 | Manicks_Z | LordDavon : Any idea? |
| 03:51.10 | kergoth | LordDavon: automatic rot works, but the initial rot on first bootup isnt guaranteed right yet, and zoom mode isnt done |
| 03:51.11 | LordDavon | Manicks_Z: Sorry. I don't have a 5600 to check out. |
| 03:51.22 | kergoth | too much shit on my plate nowadays |
| 03:51.30 | ljp_laptop | ewww |
| 03:51.59 | Manicks_Z | anyone familiar with 5600 |
| 03:52.07 | kergoth | 'familiar with' |
| 03:52.10 | LordDavon | kergoth: Until SDL comes out with a fix to the 320x240 Qtopia lock, it will be needed. |
| 03:52.10 | kergoth | just ask the question |
| 03:52.23 | kergoth | LordDavon: yep |
| 03:52.36 | LordDavon | kergoth: I forgot you got that 5600 loaner. |
| 03:52.49 | kergoth | I only have the 5600 for a short period, its actually jasons unit |
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| 03:53.01 | kergoth | just needed one to get the OZ image flashed |
| 03:53.05 | treke | kergoth: what are you doing with jason's unit? |
| 03:53.11 | LordDavon | kergoth: How is he doing. He still working on Z stuff? |
| 03:53.13 | kergoth | treke: saw that coming |
| 03:53.24 | treke | kergoth: :p |
| 03:53.31 | kergoth | brb, checking on dinner |
| 03:54.11 | DaWorm | brb Lunch |
| 03:54.17 | LordDavon | Wow... I have a long ways to go: gcc -c -DIN_GCC -g -O2 -W -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wtraditional -pedantic -Wno-long-long -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -I./. -I./config -I./../include builtins.c -o builtins.o |
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| 03:55.10 | rovitotv | Just got my Zaurus yesterday and I am really torn between oz and the sharp rom? I am thinking since I don't know any better maybe I should just go with OZ, bugs or not? |
| 03:55.52 | kergoth | every rom has bugs, that shouldnt be a real deciding factor. i'd advocate trying oz for a while, then trying sharp |
| 03:56.05 | DaWorm | or do the reverse |
| 03:56.11 | DaWorm | try sharp then try oz |
| 03:56.13 | kergoth | yep |
| 03:56.16 | zar_- | kegoth the only one I ran into was the usb one and I just got a cf wireless card |
| 03:56.20 | LordDavon | rovitotv: Yes, but so does Sharp's ROM. It just depends whos bugs you like more. |
| 03:56.37 | treke | or skip both and just use your Z as a paperweight |
| 03:56.43 | DaWorm | lol |
| 03:56.47 | LordDavon | There is Debian. |
| 03:56.49 | ljp_laptop | or try to install gpe |
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| 03:57.00 | treke | fat chance |
| 03:57.02 | kergoth | oz can install debian packages, using debian/ARM directly gains you nothing |
| 03:57.03 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:57.23 | rovitotv | I really just need a functional PDA, address book, to-do, appointment, memo, and would love to play music with it, which is best? |
| 03:57.23 | ljp_laptop | try installing mandrake |
| 03:57.34 | ljp_laptop | or better yet, try eCos maybe |
| 03:57.36 | kergoth | both give you that functionality |
| 03:57.42 | LordDavon | Oh. I head someone is working on getting PocketPC working on it. There are your bugs. ;-) |
| 03:57.54 | DaWorm | Oh? |
| 03:58.12 | ljp_laptop | that'd be interesting |
| 03:59.50 | LordDavon | Who here wants a C760? |
| 04:00.13 | DaWorm | i do |
| 04:00.27 | DaWorm | i'd like to vpn all day at work |
| 04:00.28 | DaWorm | hehee |
| 04:00.47 | rovitotv | Are those things ever going to officially come to the US? |
| 04:00.50 | treke | I'd like to scratch my balls all day and get paid for it |
| 04:01.10 | LordDavon | officially, no. Dynamism is going to support them though. |
| 04:01.52 | DaWorm | but then, its going to cost a lot right |
| 04:02.56 | LordDavon | DaWorm: It depends what you consider 'cost a lot' |
| 04:03.46 | LordDavon | DaWorm: I think the 760 will be at the price of the current one and the 750 a little less. |
| 04:04.14 | ljp_laptop | heh, my cat is debugging |
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| 04:04.36 | rovitotv | LordDavon: ~ $650 seems like a lot to me. |
| 04:05.04 | LordDavon | Yup. |
| 04:05.15 | LordDavon | $650 is a lot. |
| 04:05.36 | LordDavon | There are some comparable Palm devices out there with keyboards. |
| 04:05.50 | ljp_laptop | I bought a laptop for that |
| 04:05.51 | LordDavon | Those are a little cheaper and sell at local stores. |
| 04:06.19 | kergoth | your laptop doesnt cause drooling amongst envious geeks though |
| 04:06.22 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:06.36 | LordDavon | ljp: I can't take my laptop in the shitter. I can, but it gets too hot on my lap. ;-) |
| 04:07.26 | ljp_laptop | too bad firebird cant use really nice fonts |
| 04:07.45 | ljp_laptop | it will when they see what I have running on it |
| 04:09.05 | LordDavon | ljp: Besides, MaxProjects only runs on the Z. Therefore even my dual athlon system can't compare. ;-) |
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| 04:15.58 | zar_- | screen cap it |
| 04:16.14 | cdm | oh I have that already. |
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| 04:16.16 | cdm | not the same. |
| 04:16.24 | cdm | http://qnx.wox.org/qnx/screenshots/zaurus/ |
| 04:16.48 | zar_- | LordDavon> ljp: I can't take my laptop in the shitter. |
| 04:17.03 | zar_- | lol that why they make wireless cf cards :) |
| 04:19.35 | skitz0 | i can't get my netgear wifi working in OZ |
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| 04:57.18 | mspencer[away] | sorry guys...Trillian was acting up... |
| 04:58.12 | mspencer | Saw a tip on a forum, to add some /newserver commands someplace, so it'd join all three servers I use on startup instead of just one. Unfortunate side effect of that: whenever I have to reconnect to one of the servers, it kicks off new instances of the rest of the servers. I've removed the offending commands. |
| 05:05.43 | DaWorm | hey |
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| 05:28.00 | rovitotv | stupid question to you leave your Z on all night in the cradle or do you shut it down? It seems when I shut it down the time gets out of sync. |
| 05:28.44 | treke | define shut down |
| 05:29.42 | rovitotv | I am running oz (but I think the sharp rom has this to) go to Settings then click on shutdown icon then hit the shutdown button. |
| 05:29.56 | treke | urhm dont do that |
| 05:31.57 | rovitotv | treke: ok what should I do when I want my Z to sleep leave it in the craddle on? |
| 05:32.16 | treke | just push the on off button |
| 05:33.51 | rovitotv | ok I can do that, thanks I told you it was a stupid question. |
| 05:33.51 | DaWorm | why do you have to shutdown your pda? |
| 05:34.38 | rovitotv | DaWorm: Just thought I should do that I dunno.... |
| 05:34.42 | fdask | doesn't the zaurus get rather warm if left running all the time? |
| 05:35.01 | treke | thats why you push the off button |
| 05:35.24 | fdask | which button again? :) |
| 05:35.29 | treke | the off button |
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| 05:48.58 | chouimat|Zzzzz | night |
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| 06:07.05 | rovitotv | ok get this I have my addressbook converted from the palm (36064 bytes) and when I try and copy it via scp it stops at 4096 bytes? I have tried like three times and rebooted everything and it still won't work any ideas? |
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| 06:23.56 | fazed | using what network? |
| 06:24.08 | fazed | if its USB i havs SSH fail all the time |
| 06:24.19 | fazed | with my cf nic it is fine |
| 06:24.29 | Bala | odd.. it never fails over USB for me.. |
| 06:24.51 | fazed | OZ 3.2? |
| 06:24.51 | rovitotv | yes I am using usb |
| 06:25.17 | Bala | currently yes.. but it didnt fail before either... |
| 06:25.32 | rovitotv | yes the latest stable which I think is 3.2? |
| 06:25.43 | Bala | oh that was for him :) LOL |
| 06:25.59 | fazed | Bala: I wonder what is different because it does for me using both the original install and oz 32. win98, winxp and linux desktops |
| 06:26.52 | fazed | mayb my desktop hardware? |
| 06:27.14 | Bala | maybe.. the usb chipset or somehting.. |
| 06:27.37 | fazed | rovitotv: i know i have seen usb networking howto's somewhere. go over them and make sure nothing is broken? |
| 06:28.01 | rovitotv | fazed ok I will try that...thanks |
| 06:28.05 | fazed | Bala: yeah must be. I know on the win98 box (garbage compaq) it's usb is flaky as hell |
| 06:28.36 | fazed | but i have had no problems on my others |
| 06:31.42 | rovitotv | fazed: which desktop kernel are you running I have 2.4.20 with the usbd patch. |
| 06:32.32 | fazed | i was running 2.4.20 from debian |
| 06:32.40 | fazed | dont know if i had it patched |
| 06:33.04 | fazed | presently runnig knoppix trying to save my debian sid install LOL |
| 06:33.34 | fazed | the most recent 2.40.x-k7 kernel image, no extra patches |
| 06:33.45 | fazed | remove that 0 ;) |
| 06:34.26 | rovitotv | ok thanks.. I am going to bed, I can't hardly keep my eyes open. Good night. |
| 06:35.08 | fazed | bye |
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| 06:36.03 | higenW | hmm.. what happend to the zaurus intellisynch software? |
| 06:36.13 | higenW | i was about to download it to use it with opie |
| 06:38.12 | treke | someone may have broken opie |
| 06:41.04 | higenW | ? |
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| 07:59.22 | NeoTron | have had reports that IF doesn't work with it.. hrm |
| 07:59.54 | mark|sleep | odd |
| 08:01.34 | fdask | IF? |
| 08:09.49 | NeoTron | well that didn't work |
| 08:09.53 | NeoTron | fdask: Interstellar Flames |
| 08:18.41 | NeoTron | most lik |
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| 08:39.25 | TCMAN | hi |
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| 08:45.25 | treke|home | even TCMAN |
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| 11:52.41 | Twiun | hey mark |
| 11:52.48 | mark | salut Twiun |
| 11:52.56 | mark | Twiun: i now have 1.5 weeks to do all my AS revision :/ |
| 11:53.28 | Twiun | mark: best get cramming :) |
| 11:54.44 | mark | Twiun: yeh, but i still can't be bothered :( |
| 11:55.00 | Twiun | mark: oh dear |
| 11:55.10 | Twiun | mark: not planning on going to uni then? |
| 11:55.29 | Twiun | mark: or banking on getting in through clearing? |
| 11:56.00 | mark | Twiun: yes, i am. i'm just too cocky when it comes to exams and presume i'll do well with no work. and usually dont :) |
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| 11:56.31 | Twiun | mark: ya know... sounds like me at your age :) |
| 11:57.46 | mark | yeah. right, i'm turning my comp off ::) |
| 11:58.03 | Twiun | go! |
| 11:58.29 | Twiun | bah, youngsters nowdays, all fun and no work :) |
| 12:07.35 | mithro | arg i can't get this stupid thing to compile :( |
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| 14:27.53 | bobbyd | hi |
| 14:28.13 | bobbyd | just wanted to say thanks for all the work on OZ for c700 kergoth ;) |
| 14:29.59 | doughecka | whats the serial ports on the Z? |
| 14:32.49 | bobbyd | ? |
| 14:32.57 | bobbyd | you mean what speed? |
| 14:33.03 | doughecka | no, like /dev/?? |
| 14:33.06 | bobbyd | ahh |
| 14:33.08 | bobbyd | i dont know |
| 14:33.24 | bobbyd | does anyone know of a detailed tech spec of the c700 in english? |
| 14:33.29 | doughecka | nope |
| 14:33.33 | bobbyd | hmm |
| 14:35.25 | yeiazel | bobbyd: got it in french, but it's easily understandable |
| 14:35.53 | yeiazel | and you can mirror these infos in english if you want |
| 14:36.00 | yeiazel | http://www.zaurusfr.org/zaurus |
| 14:36.25 | yeiazel | (it could be not detailed enough...) |
| 14:36.44 | Pendalar | anyone tried mono yet? |
| 14:37.07 | Pendalar | yeiazel: http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/030516.html has far more detail |
| 14:37.57 | yeiazel | oh? |
| 14:38.34 | O2 | Or try slashdot, the posts below the announcements probably have it all. |
| 14:38.37 | yeiazel | time to update the wiki :) |
| 14:42.48 | doughecka | once /mnt/ram is full, ur toast :) |
| 14:44.07 | Pendalar | wiki wiki wa wiki wil wild west |
| 14:45.11 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:45.24 | Pendalar | bah mono only installs to interal.. bah hell I like I have 16mb to waste there |
| 14:45.42 | doughecka | mono? |
| 14:46.05 | Pendalar | .NET / C# framework + compiler port to Zaurus |
| 14:46.16 | doughecka | wow |
| 14:46.23 | doughecka | what ever would you use it for? |
| 14:46.42 | Pendalar | virii lots and lots of virii |
| 14:46.49 | mark | doughecka: good question :) |
| 14:47.10 | Pendalar | http://killefiz.de/zaurus/showdetail.php?app=1082 |
| 14:47.28 | Pendalar | I don't get .net or why all the developers are 'doh need to learn C# quick' |
| 14:47.30 | doughecka | what would you use it for one WINDOWS for that matter, and whos the dweeb that ported it over? |
| 14:47.45 | Pendalar | but it's there, and for whatever reason it's got some importance.. even in the linux world |
| 14:47.52 | doughecka | hehe |
| 14:47.54 | Pendalar | I'm hoping someone will explain it to me eventually |
| 14:48.18 | Pendalar | personally it ticks me off MS has to fix it so nothing is portable |
| 14:48.19 | doughecka | when I become president, I am gonna buy microsoft and liquidate it |
| 14:48.28 | doughecka | :P |
| 14:48.34 | Pendalar | every language has it's own MS version.. |
| 14:48.48 | doughecka | basic? check. |
| 14:48.53 | doughecka | C++? check |
| 14:49.05 | doughecka | cobol? umm |
| 14:49.11 | yeiazel | python ? |
| 14:49.13 | yeiazel | :) |
| 14:49.16 | doughecka | hehehe |
| 14:49.26 | Pendalar | I didn't mean literally, but they are getting there |
| 14:49.37 | yeiazel | perl ? oh yeah, asp |
| 14:49.41 | Pendalar | at least with langauges they feel are currently still used |
| 14:49.59 | doughecka | perl is good for somethings |
| 14:50.24 | yeiazel | yes |
| 14:50.26 | Pendalar | I like perl until CPAN decides to go postal and self update perl.. breaking it to heck |
| 14:50.36 | doughecka | hehe |
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| 14:50.41 | yeiazel | perl is good for... |
| 14:50.46 | yeiazel | headaches ? |
| 14:50.48 | aTypical | Hello. |
| 14:50.57 | yeiazel | crimes ? |
| 14:50.59 | yeiazel | suicides ? |
| 14:51.13 | doughecka | all 4? |
| 14:51.14 | Pendalar | necklaces |
| 14:52.11 | doughecka | you where a neck lace? |
| 14:52.23 | doughecka | odd linux folk |
| 14:52.35 | Pendalar | no but I am married |
| 14:52.58 | O2 | So it would be called a collar. |
| 14:53.03 | doughecka | gah! |
| 14:53.04 | O2 | And it probably has a chain attached. |
| 14:53.06 | O2 | :) |
| 14:53.11 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:53.27 | Pendalar | no I don't get a chain... just linked directly into the wall |
| 14:53.38 | O2 | Heh |
| 14:53.42 | Pendalar | =_-( help me someone |
| 14:54.50 | Pendalar | doh I hit the wrong button and stopped my movie |
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| 14:58.26 | Pendalar | you'd think by now there would be a 'final' C/+= language and everyone would be happy |
| 14:58.36 | doughecka | heh |
| 14:58.49 | Pendalar | I seriously doubt cobol would have had a new version if the y2k problems didn't force there to be one |
| 15:02.07 | mewyn` | anyone know of a converter from palm doc format to text? |
| 15:03.21 | Pendalar | it depends on the doc type |
| 15:03.35 | Pendalar | there's actually about 25 doc formats for PalmSource |
| 15:04.05 | Pendalar | dependant on which programs can 'read' it and which can't, go to www.memoware.com in there application section |
| 15:04.09 | Pendalar | and find a convertor to match |
| 15:10.22 | mewyn` | it's the one aportis used |
| 15:10.35 | mewyn` | i want to convert it to text so i can read it |
| 15:10.49 | mewyn` | without powering up my z and finding my wifi card |
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| 15:17.23 | Pendalar | hrm I don't see the application area anymore |
| 15:17.27 | Pendalar | prob there just don't see it |
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| 15:25.57 | zenlunatic | is the zaurus keypad difficult to touch type on? |
| 15:26.48 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 15:26.53 | doughecka | at night it is |
| 15:26.58 | doughecka | cuz I cant see it :P |
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| 15:28.05 | doughecka | hey wormi |
| 15:28.19 | Pendalar | mewyn`: http://www.memoware.com/mw.cgi/?screen=help_format is all I can find |
| 15:28.25 | Pendalar | hope that somehow proves helpful |
| 15:28.32 | Pendalar | they used to host convertors |
| 15:31.46 | Pendalar | aportis is a dead format I'm afraid |
| 15:32.36 | mewyn` | turns out it has mobipocket extensions |
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| 15:32.40 | mewyn` | i can't read it |
| 15:32.48 | mewyn` | without either fucking palm, windows, or ppc |
| 15:33.20 | Pendalar | surely there's a convertor out there |
| 15:33.30 | doughecka | linux can do all things |
| 15:33.32 | doughecka | with bash |
| 15:33.32 | mewyn` | mobipocket is a paid program |
| 15:33.43 | mewyn` | i found a converter, but it can't do mobipocket |
| 15:34.26 | Pendalar | you can read it in windows =-x |
| 15:34.54 | doughecka | take screen shots |
| 15:34.58 | doughecka | and make a PDF |
| 15:35.02 | Pendalar | heh |
| 15:35.08 | Pendalar | that would take a bit of time |
| 15:35.19 | doughecka | thats the price :P |
| 15:35.38 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 15:35.50 | doughecka | how does this ifrared discover mode thingy work? |
| 15:35.59 | doughecka | can it discover my laptop? |
| 15:37.09 | doughecka | when I hold my TV remote in front, it dont do anything |
| 15:37.20 | mewyn` | i don't have a palm though |
| 15:37.29 | doughecka | get a palm emulator |
| 15:37.56 | mewyn` | too much pain in the ass |
| 15:38.01 | mewyn` | i just won't use this method |
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| 16:57.54 | fdask | is it possible for the touch screen to get dented from pressing too hard with the stylus? |
| 17:02.20 | warmi | well, that's like common sense :-) |
| 17:05.54 | fdask | so thats a yes? |
| 17:07.50 | warmi | yeah |
| 17:07.55 | warmi | of course |
| 17:08.11 | warmi | you can even bend steel if you press to hard |
| 17:08.51 | fdask | gotcha |
| 17:09.16 | fdask | do i need a CF card to do any sort of rom flashing ie. changing sharp rom versions, switching to openzaurus, etc |
| 17:09.18 | fdask | ? |
| 17:09.24 | fdask | or can i use an sd? |
| 17:11.00 | yeiazel | CF |
| 17:12.09 | fdask | cf only eh |
| 17:12.11 | fdask | why is that? |
| 17:13.44 | _Psycho`bbl | SD with c7xx model |
| 17:14.35 | Twiun | fdask: I imagine the limitation is due to the bootloader |
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| 17:58.25 | Neo|Work | mind you it seems like the next upgrade will not need SD or CF |
| 17:58.40 | Neo|Work | since it says to explicedly remove those cards with the 'ospack" in internal storage. |
| 17:58.42 | Neo|Work | or something like that |
| 18:00.13 | fdask | not need sd or cf 2 flash? |
| 18:00.18 | mETz | did anybody try to rip out that opera 6.0 from 3.10 rom and install it on a 2.38 rom? :) |
| 18:00.49 | mETz | Neo|Work: With winblows you can already get around using a cf card, no? |
| 18:01.04 | mETz | There's some weird exe stuff for flashing, probably over the craddle |
| 18:02.06 | fdask | mETz, really? where? |
| 18:02.37 | mETz | somewhere on the official zaurus chaos err site ;) |
| 18:03.58 | mETz | ahh, it needs a cf card |
| 18:04.06 | mETz | it just initiates the flashing |
| 18:04.26 | mETz | unlike with linux where you need to do it manually by pressing too many buttons on the zaurus ;) |
| 18:04.36 | fdask | haha |
| 18:04.52 | fdask | i wont need a cf bigger than 32mb for any flashing, will I? |
| 18:05.52 | mETz | not really |
| 18:05.58 | mETz | 16 megs free is enough |
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| 19:47.49 | mark | Twiun: you using dmix yet? |
| 19:48.01 | Twiun | mark: what's dmix? |
| 19:48.11 | mark | Twiun: the alsa software mixer thing |
| 19:48.43 | Twiun | mark: for the z? |
| 19:49.11 | mark | Twiun: no! what do you think this is? a zaurus channel or somehting? oh |
| 19:49.24 | Twiun | mark: lol |
| 19:49.39 | Twiun | mark: then I guess the answer is no :) |
| 19:50.18 | mark | Twiun: bah, you're useless :) |
| 19:53.47 | Twiun | mark: tell me all about it |
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| 19:59.44 | pHluid | anybody here ever got MaxMESS running? |
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| 20:04.15 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 20:04.35 | phoen][x | :D |
| 20:04.50 | pHluid | motherf |
| 20:04.59 | pHluid | goddamn segmentation fault |
| 20:05.05 | pHluid | WORK, MAXMESS, WORK |
| 20:08.03 | fusion94 | numatrix_: you about ? |
| 20:09.19 | subdue | http://smlnk.com/?NA4E5CH7 |
| 20:09.33 | subdue | crazy what the govt is doing now |
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| 20:17.59 | Twiun | subdue: I was about to ask: "which government" - but then realised how redundant that it... every government is crazy |
| 20:18.29 | dougheckaa | mod -1: Redundant |
| 20:21.14 | warmi | Twiun: you still stuck with 5500 ? |
| 20:21.37 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 20:21.55 | warmi | dougheckaa: and put WinCE on it ? |
| 20:22.02 | dougheckaa | dual boot |
| 20:22.05 | dougheckaa | :))) |
| 20:22.17 | warmi | get yourself axim for $180 |
| 20:22.19 | dougheckaa | since my Z refuses to stay alive overnight |
| 20:22.21 | warmi | if you want CE |
| 20:22.34 | warmi | send it back to Sharp then |
| 20:22.47 | dougheckaa | I aint paying them to look at it |
| 20:22.49 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 20:23.18 | warmi | they don't want to accept it as a defective item ? |
| 20:23.30 | dougheckaa | if its underwarrenty |
| 20:23.34 | dougheckaa | which it aint :P |
| 20:23.38 | warmi | why ? |
| 20:23.42 | dougheckaa | ebay |
| 20:23.46 | warmi | ah |
| 20:23.58 | dougheckaa | the famed 142 zaurus |
| 20:24.04 | warmi | hehehe |
| 20:24.15 | dougheckaa | 142 dollar zaurus that is :) |
| 20:24.32 | warmi | what exactly happens ? it dies every 12 hours or so ? |
| 20:24.40 | dougheckaa | no |
| 20:24.49 | dougheckaa | well |
| 20:24.50 | dougheckaa | I dunno |
| 20:24.55 | dougheckaa | its wierd |
| 20:24.57 | mutexer | you buy a lemon on ebay? |
| 20:25.16 | dougheckaa | its totaly random, and I have to remove the battery and put it back in to get it to turn back on or charge |
| 20:25.27 | dougheckaa | not even full reset works |
| 20:25.38 | dougheckaa | everything else works though :) |
| 20:25.44 | warmi | mutexer: btw .. I am not getting AXim - Dell deal is over.. but Tribune employes here at Chicago have a discount at cdw.com and I can get Toshiba e35 for $147 |
| 20:25.48 | warmi | that's what I am going to get then |
| 20:26.02 | mutexer | isnt that the flawed toshiba? |
| 20:26.07 | mutexer | or was that a different one |
| 20:27.03 | warmi | Toshiba e335 |
| 20:27.10 | warmi | I know nothing about it being "flawed" |
| 20:27.22 | Twiun | warmi: actually still stuck with a 5000d |
| 20:27.32 | dougheckaa | this whole channel is flawed |
| 20:27.36 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 20:27.59 | warmi | Twiun: so em I |
| 20:28.09 | mutexer | looks like the e355 is ok |
| 20:28.14 | mutexer | must have been a different one |
| 20:28.18 | Twiun | warmi: if I get a job soon, I'll start thinking about those juicy 7x0's |
| 20:28.30 | warmi | mutexer: :acording to pocketmatrix forums this model is fine |
| 20:28.41 | warmi | Twiun: still looking for a contract |
| 20:28.42 | warmi | ? |
| 20:28.44 | warmi | hehe |
| 20:28.54 | warmi | I thought by now you would grab something permanent |
| 20:29.04 | Twiun | warmi: yup - the guys I was hoping on last week are giving me the runaround |
| 20:29.08 | Twiun | dougheckaa: thanks :) |
| 20:29.19 | dougheckaa | but then, I dont have a job either |
| 20:29.25 | Twiun | warmi: not having a uni degree is a serious hindrance |
| 20:29.27 | warmi | Twiun: is job market bad in UK ? |
| 20:29.36 | warmi | ah ok .. degree thingy |
| 20:29.45 | Twiun | warmi: job market's not too good either |
| 20:30.22 | warmi | mutexer: where are you in US ? |
| 20:30.32 | mutexer | TN |
| 20:30.39 | mutexer | where there are no computer jobs :) |
| 20:30.51 | dougheckaa | theres cows |
| 20:30.54 | warmi | well, no shit then .. that's not exactly place to be when looking for tech jobs |
| 20:30.56 | warmi | :-) |
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| 20:31.09 | mutexer | Ive check the net for other places.. cant find anything |
| 20:31.28 | warmi | well, it is always hard to get that first job |
| 20:31.45 | mutexer | yeah.. everyone wants experience |
| 20:31.53 | dougheckaa | mutexer: what kind of job? |
| 20:32.10 | mutexer | programming job is preferred |
| 20:32.19 | dougheckaa | ah, oh well :) |
| 20:32.48 | dougheckaa | you know security stuff? |
| 20:32.58 | mutexer | not really |
| 20:33.07 | dougheckaa | hmm |
| 20:33.11 | mutexer | mostly all I know is games unfortunately |
| 20:33.16 | dougheckaa | aha! |
| 20:33.17 | mutexer | there arent many jobs in games |
| 20:33.19 | dougheckaa | game testing! |
| 20:33.28 | dougheckaa | :D |
| 20:33.37 | mutexer | do game testers even make anything? |
| 20:33.44 | dougheckaa | yea |
| 20:33.50 | dougheckaa | professional ones |
| 20:33.57 | dougheckaa | but tis a hard job |
| 20:33.58 | mutexer | I tohught they just got free software and stuff |
| 20:34.18 | warmi | nah .. he is talking about internal testers |
| 20:34.29 | mutexer | probably voring |
| 20:34.29 | warmi | qa staff |
| 20:34.31 | mutexer | boring |
| 20:34.43 | mutexer | spending 10 minutes in a corner seeing if you can fall through the map :) |
| 20:34.50 | warmi | well, lot of programmers start as testing engineers or some such |
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| 20:35.18 | dougheckaa | hmmmmm |
| 20:35.20 | warmi | you got to do your time doing crappy stuff before you move on onto better things :-) |
| 20:35.43 | dougheckaa | you have certifacations mutexer? |
| 20:35.50 | mutexer | nope.. just a BS |
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| 20:40.21 | dougheckaa | F# port for the Z? |
| 20:40.38 | warmi | well, how about C# first ? |
| 20:40.39 | warmi | heh |
| 20:41.14 | dougheckaa | was it C# or F#? |
| 20:41.40 | warmi | there is C# which is already available and widely use for coding |
| 20:41.50 | dougheckaa | ah |
| 20:41.58 | warmi | and there is F# which is a new languange MS is working on |
| 20:42.05 | warmi | something like that |
| 20:42.19 | dougheckaa | yea |
| 20:42.23 | chouimat | warmi: another crappy language? |
| 20:42.35 | warmi | don't know |
| 20:42.38 | warmi | C# is not bad |
| 20:43.19 | warmi | with C# MS managed to avoid many of the mistakes that Sun made with JAva |
| 20:43.42 | mutexer | warmi: what do you use for 2d collision.. the gapidraw stuff or your own code? |
| 20:44.22 | warmi | my own code .. I do only rect to rect colision with each sprite using rectangle that is aprox 80% size of the sprite itself |
| 20:44.24 | warmi | works pretty well |
| 20:44.45 | warmi | that's for sprite to sprite collision .. for sprite , ground I have my own more specific ways of doing that |
| 20:44.53 | mutexer | Im thinking my technique might be better than gapidraws.... gapidraws seems expensive |
| 20:45.10 | warmi | too expensive and too detailed for 90% of games |
| 20:45.16 | mutexer | since you hsve to render the scene twice |
| 20:45.53 | mutexer | what i do is use bounding reactangles.. if two intercept then I grab the space they overlap and check for overlapping pixels in it |
| 20:46.13 | warmi | yeah, that's basically optimization of his technique |
| 20:46.22 | warmi | I think he does the very same thing internally |
| 20:46.35 | mutexer | except he requires drawing to a surface |
| 20:46.38 | mutexer | which I dont |
| 20:46.38 | warmi | I don't care for pixel to pixel colision on objects :-) |
| 20:46.54 | mutexer | I just use getPixel from the surfaces |
| 20:47.11 | warmi | yeah, well, that could be slow to .... make sure you disable cooridnates checking on that surface |
| 20:47.21 | mutexer | Jack works MUCH better with pixel collision |
| 20:47.24 | warmi | otherwise you are paying big penalty with each getPixel |
| 20:47.38 | mutexer | eh>? |
| 20:47.57 | mutexer | cordinate checking? |
| 20:48.09 | warmi | GDSURFACE_NOCOORDCHECK |
| 20:48.34 | warmi | if it is on every call to getPixel or whatever checks if coordinates are within range |
| 20:48.35 | mutexer | does that have any bad effects? and where do I pass that in? |
| 20:49.06 | warmi | basically if you are calling getPixel , checking for coordinates takes 2 times as much time as getting actual pixel |
| 20:49.27 | warmi | so , while it doesn't matter for blits , this property can slow down getPixel a lot |
| 20:49.45 | mutexer | ah.. so none of his code should fail if I disable it? |
| 20:50.02 | warmi | no, unless your code was asking for pixels outside of surface |
| 20:50.05 | warmi | then it will fail |
| 20:50.22 | mutexer | what about zsurface.. it have anything like that? |
| 20:50.50 | warmi | I don't remember .. :-) |
| 20:51.03 | warmi | I am at work .. don't have access to the source code |
| 20:51.07 | warmi | anyway, time for my train |
| 20:51.11 | mutexer | cya |
| 20:51.12 | warmi | check the docs for CGapiSurface |
| 20:51.20 | warmi | is you want to learn more about that property |
| 20:51.26 | mutexer | k |
| 20:51.29 | mutexer | thx |
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