| 00:00.56 | jeffk | zap-zero did you try this on the 5600? |
| 00:01.02 | zap-zero | no |
| 00:01.17 | zap-zero | 5500D |
| 00:01.32 | fliplap | the 5500 and 5600 run stuff at about the same speed |
| 00:01.51 | zap-zero | eh |
| 00:01.51 | zap-zero | 5000D i mean |
| 00:02.08 | fliplap | there isn't much of a difference between a 206mhz SA1110 and a 400mhz xscale |
| 00:02.45 | Neo|Work | rather the xscale might very well be slower |
| 00:03.22 | fliplap | yeah, since most code isn't optimized for it eyt |
| 00:03.59 | jeffk | yeah |
| 00:04.17 | Neo|Work | well partially but mostly because it's buggy |
| 00:04.28 | jeffk | i was just checking out the gameboy SP today at compusa. it's spectacular. my friend got the new ipod |
| 00:07.44 | jeffk | foobar |
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| 00:22.38 | sharpie | does he like the new ipod? |
| 00:23.00 | sharpie | you know that the new nomad is 60gig and $100 dollars less |
| 00:25.57 | sl5500 | does any1 know if there are identifiable numbers (i.e. s/n) on the Zaurus? |
| 00:26.15 | sl5500 | aside from the s/n on the back of the unit? |
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| 00:36.38 | rev|pda | heyyy |
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| 00:48.25 | fdask | hey rev |
| 00:48.28 | fdask | how go exams |
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| 00:53.59 | m_0f | is there such a thng as a cf 802.11g card yet? |
| 00:57.25 | fdask | itd be cool to get a a+b+g cf. |
| 00:57.48 | Solar[X] | Isn't a+b=g or something? |
| 00:59.26 | fdask | don't think so |
| 00:59.52 | Solar[X] | nm then |
| 00:59.53 | Solar[X] | :) |
| 01:01.31 | m_0f | g is the faster and is backwards compatible with b |
| 01:01.41 | m_0f | a is incompatible with either and is between speeds |
| 01:01.49 | Solar[X] | Ahh |
| 01:02.09 | m_0f | but sometimes u can get cards that support all 3 |
| 01:02.37 | m_0f | but ive only seen cf cards for .11b |
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| 01:22.40 | hExml | hola |
| 01:22.53 | fdask | hi |
| 01:23.15 | hExml | how much space does task-opie-complete use? |
| 01:32.30 | treke|home | a lot |
| 01:33.23 | doughecka | Our THREE main weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency. |
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| 01:33.53 | treke|home | probably somewhere around 30-35 megs |
| 01:34.19 | zap-zero | not that much for a 256mb sd card |
| 01:34.35 | zap-zero | but complete ain't that good for other reasons |
| 01:34.55 | zap-zero | i don't like a taskbar full of unnecessary applets |
| 01:35.12 | treke|home | no point installing everything. You very likely dont need it all |
| 01:35.19 | zap-zero | yeah |
| 01:35.35 | doughecka | I need a good app to make a big mpeg small for theZ |
| 01:35.45 | treke|home | mencode |
| 01:35.50 | zap-zero | maybe rather copy the oz feed (i.e. the .ipk packages) to some directory on your sd |
| 01:35.59 | doughecka | hm |
| 01:36.00 | zap-zero | or transcode |
| 01:36.01 | doughecka | brb |
| 01:36.21 | zap-zero | yes :) |
| 01:36.39 | zap-zero | rather copy some good mp3s and ipks not in the oz feed to it :P |
| 01:37.18 | hExml | okey dokey. |
| 01:37.30 | hExml | so I just flashed my unit |
| 01:37.39 | hExml | now i'm ipkg upgrade it |
| 01:37.51 | hExml | it's hanging awhile on opie-citytime |
| 01:38.14 | zap-zero | i hate package management |
| 01:38.22 | zap-zero | that's why i don't like debian |
| 01:38.31 | hExml | i'm just waiting... |
| 01:38.33 | zap-zero | just one dependency wrong, and the whole chain fucks up |
| 01:38.47 | hExml | it has it's disadvantages |
| 01:38.50 | zap-zero | i'll try linuxfromscratch.org for zaurus soon :P |
| 01:39.32 | zap-zero | shouldn't be too hard... just cross-compile everything for arm and use another bootloader and of course kernel patches |
| 01:39.49 | hExml | Upgrading opie-citytime on root from 0.9.3-20030328-1 to 0.9.3-20030429... |
| 01:39.58 | hExml | then it just sits back and relaxes |
| 01:40.06 | doughecka | "Keeping My Girdle Tight Prevents Eating ! ", Zelda Yelped. |
| 01:40.16 | hExml | I don't want to break it.. yet |
| 01:41.15 | hExml | well, i did |
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| 01:41.33 | hExml | maybe I had a bad archive |
| 01:42.22 | doughecka | how about for windows? |
| 01:42.27 | doughecka | an mpeg resizer |
| 01:43.10 | zap-zero | winblows? you pervert! |
| 01:43.38 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:43.44 | zap-zero | probably transcode compiles w/ cygwin too |
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| 02:11.50 | doughecka | ~wirelesscards is <reply> http://docs.zaurus.com/wirelesscards.shtml |
| 02:11.50 | | doughecka: okay |
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| 02:27.02 | duplexer_pda | TrekCycling...good day. |
| 02:27.12 | TrekCycling | hey |
| 02:27.19 | doughecka | ur on a bike? |
| 02:27.26 | TrekCycling | not currently :-) |
| 02:27.38 | doughecka | oh. |
| 02:27.53 | duplexer_pda | I'm mounting the thrown. |
| 02:28.16 | duplexer_pda | Very majestic like, hahah |
| 02:28.23 | TrekCycling | yeah |
| 02:28.35 | doughecka | mandelspawn 9359/udp mandelbrot # network mandelbrot |
| 02:28.41 | doughecka | whats that? |
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| 02:50.38 | hbmartin | I get ethernet-over-USB working wokring with my 5600 |
| 02:51.02 | hbmartin | grrr |
| 02:54.36 | m_0f | is there a way to get divx codecs for sharp rom media player? |
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| 03:02.30 | treke|home | buy tkcvideo or use opieplayer or mplayer |
| 03:03.25 | m_0f | i cant get opieplayer installed |
| 03:03.34 | m_0f | and i dont have any money cos i bought a zaurus |
| 03:05.18 | fdask | mplayer is free, ain't it? |
| 03:06.45 | hbmartin | anyone else in here got ethernet-over-USB wokring on RedHat? |
| 03:08.00 | kergoth | hey |
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| 03:13.37 | mutexer | did you see where SCO is trying to kill linux? |
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| 03:13.53 | kergoth | yeah, SCO are fucking idiots |
| 03:13.58 | kergoth | lashing out cause they know they're fucked |
| 03:14.04 | kergoth | I hope IBM squashes them like a bug |
| 03:14.07 | mutexer | yep |
| 03:14.14 | mutexer | they are now talkign about attacking endusers |
| 03:14.22 | mutexer | like the RIAA |
| 03:14.27 | mutexer | another bunch of idiots |
| 03:16.05 | fishy845 | yea :/ |
| 03:21.19 | treke|home | if they want to send threats they sure as fuck better be sending evidence |
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| 03:24.28 | rev|pda | yooo |
| 03:25.28 | treke|home | rev|pda: freak |
| 03:26.04 | rev|pda | wh |
| 03:26.05 | rev|pda | er |
| 03:26.07 | rev|pda | WHO ME? |
| 03:26.08 | rev|pda | why? |
| 03:26.10 | rev|pda | ;) |
| 03:26.26 | rev|pda | i forgot how badass this machine was |
| 03:26.45 | rev|pda | i don't even need to use my ibook or linux desktop when i have this puppy |
| 03:26.53 | kergoth | treke|home: you see allen pushed the qashmoney stuff |
| 03:27.00 | kergoth | treke|home: no need for opie-checkbook anymore :) |
| 03:27.09 | oGMo | yeah well i'm irc'ing from an even cooler box |
| 03:27.10 | treke|home | cool |
| 03:27.12 | oGMo | ;) |
| 03:27.29 | treke|home | kergoth: I havent looked at pushes lately. been to busy with work stuff :) |
| 03:27.34 | rev|pda | ogmo: what box is that? |
| 03:27.41 | rev|pda | only thing cooler could be an OQO |
| 03:27.48 | kergoth | opie cvs technically, i just say push like its bk out of habiit |
| 03:27.48 | oGMo | rev|pda: my workstation |
| 03:27.51 | kergoth | 'commit' |
| 03:27.51 | rev|pda | or perhaps a really fast jornada 720 like thing |
| 03:27.52 | oGMo | slash studio |
| 03:27.56 | oGMo | so nyah |
| 03:27.57 | oGMo | ;) |
| 03:27.59 | rev|pda | hah |
| 03:28.00 | treke|home | rev|pda: how cool could a ppc pda be |
| 03:28.00 | rev|pda | pfft |
| 03:28.01 | rev|pda | LAME |
| 03:28.02 | treke|home | rev|pda: traitor |
| 03:28.17 | rev|pda | oddly enough, very cool |
| 03:28.32 | rev|pda | there is actually a lot more adapted unix ports for wince than for the zaurus |
| 03:28.38 | rev|pda | at least in terms of stuff ia ctually need to use |
| 03:28.43 | oGMo | http://gah-world.net/index.php?op=view&oid=257 |
| 03:28.47 | treke|home | your probably also like stuff like smalltalk |
| 03:28.50 | rev|pda | as oppsed to stuff one uses to show off or demo at a LUG meeting |
| 03:28.55 | oGMo | my workstation is cooler than your silly WinCE pda |
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| 03:29.09 | rev|pda | my smalltalk stuff runs the same on any machine it works |
| 03:29.17 | oGMo | especially since i can just drop my zaurus in |
| 03:29.23 | rev|pda | only advantage in that realm withthis is that i have a real keyboard as opposed to the thumboard |
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| 03:29.36 | oGMo | rev|pda: hmm, what're you doing with smalltalk? |
| 03:29.39 | rev|pda | the Z actually ran my smalltalk stuff a little faster, by virtue of its 100 MHz bus |
| 03:30.00 | rev|pda | ogmo: i am working on a PDA "OS"/environment primarily targeted for PDAs |
| 03:30.03 | oGMo | i've been using ruby, which is a lot like smalltalk, except modernized |
| 03:30.08 | rev|pda | to replace PocketPC, WinCE, Qtopia,etc |
| 03:30.10 | rev|pda | well |
| 03:30.13 | oGMo | rev|pda: hmm, cool, got an url? |
| 03:30.19 | rev|pda | yeah, http://spe.sf.net |
| 03:30.24 | rev|pda | actually ruby isn't modernized smalltalk at all |
| 03:30.26 | oGMo | checkin' |
| 03:30.29 | rev|pda | more like perl-ized smalltalk |
| 03:30.35 | oGMo | not really |
| 03:30.39 | rev|pda | but other than that, it is actually less modern on plenty of fronts |
| 03:30.42 | oGMo | there are very few perlisms in ruby |
| 03:30.53 | rev|pda | unless being newer automatically makes something more modern |
| 03:30.55 | rev|pda | perhaps |
| 03:30.56 | rev|pda | but enough |
| 03:30.59 | oGMo | nah |
| 03:31.02 | rev|pda | sigils and the re syntax |
| 03:31.06 | rev|pda | that is signifigant enough |
| 03:31.08 | oGMo | sigils? |
| 03:31.18 | rev|pda | prefixes of $, @, etc |
| 03:31.19 | oGMo | re syntax is hardly indicative of perlism ;P |
| 03:31.22 | oGMo | er |
| 03:31.23 | oGMo | no |
| 03:31.31 | oGMo | no more so than smalltalk ;) |
| 03:31.38 | rev|pda | ummm |
| 03:31.39 | rev|pda | yes |
| 03:31.46 | rev|pda | smalltalk doesn't have those |
| 03:31.47 | oGMo | the meanings of @ and $ are completely different than perl |
| 03:31.50 | rev|pda | yes |
| 03:31.56 | rev|pda | but similar idea |
| 03:32.01 | oGMo | rev|pda: true, but they correlate to the appropriate smalltalk idioms |
| 03:32.09 | rev|pda | but unncessarily so |
| 03:32.11 | rev|pda | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.13 | oGMo | i.e., class/instance variables |
| 03:32.19 | rev|pda | using a @ to identify class var is useless |
| 03:32.24 | rev|pda | you don't need to do anything similar in smalltalk |
| 03:32.40 | rev|pda | it is smart enough without explicit direction |
| 03:33.01 | treke|home | ever consider it might be for the benefit of humans? |
| 03:33.06 | oGMo | you call delcaring instance variable names not explicit? ;) |
| 03:33.26 | rev|pda | treke: how does it benefit in ways that smalltalk's conventions don't? |
| 03:33.27 | oGMo | it's just a slightly different delineation mechanism |
| 03:33.33 | rev|pda | perhaps |
| 03:33.36 | rev|pda | but an unncesary one |
| 03:33.50 | oGMo | it's unnecessary, but it's not useless |
| 03:34.05 | oGMo | for one, it's really nice to have @foo and foo |
| 03:34.11 | rev|pda | perhaps |
| 03:34.16 | oGMo | particularly in the initializer |
| 03:34.20 | treke|home | rev|pda: Pesonally I find it convenient when the syntax of the language clarifies to me what type of object I'm dealing with |
| 03:34.21 | rev|pda | sigil or not, i think one shouldn't use the same var names, confuses things |
| 03:34.28 | oGMo | basically it's a ridiculously silly thing to argue over, so i don't know why you're bothering |
| 03:34.38 | oGMo | rev|pda: you would think wrong |
| 03:34.39 | rev|pda | treke: smalltalk has conventions that make it just as clear |
| 03:34.47 | rev|pda | i don't mean to argue it |
| 03:34.50 | rev|pda | let's drop it then |
| 03:34.58 | rev|pda | you had asked about where i got a perl similarity from' |
| 03:35.01 | rev|pda | and i told you. :P |
| 03:35.06 | rev|pda | i'm not saying ruby is a bad language at all |
| 03:35.16 | oGMo | that's silly, because it's not at all similar to perl in that way :) |
| 03:35.20 | rev|pda | although i still don't think it is any more modern than smalltalk |
| 03:35.25 | rev|pda | ok, sure |
| 03:35.25 | rev|pda | heh |
| 03:35.32 | oGMo | what _is_ similar to perl is puctuation globals, and those are being deprecated (yay) |
| 03:35.44 | rev|pda | woot |
| 03:36.24 | rev|pda | after all, who said smalltalk + perl / 2 = ruby? :) |
| 03:36.35 | oGMo | other than that... things are closer to CLOS/Smalltalk than perl could imagine being, although some perlisms are _there_ (like =~) they're not magically so (you can redeclare =~, it's used in a number of ways) |
| 03:36.48 | rev|pda | disturbing... what happened to ruby-lang.org? |
| 03:36.56 | oGMo | it was there an hour ago |
| 03:36.56 | oGMo | ;) |
| 03:37.03 | rev|pda | not disturbing about what you said |
| 03:37.10 | rev|pda | it is still there, but it looks like something odder |
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| 03:37.50 | rev|pda | yes, ruby is very much like smalltalk, never contended that |
| 03:37.58 | oGMo | heh |
| 03:38.06 | oGMo | i think i've already done hwat your objective is |
| 03:38.18 | rev|pda | ? |
| 03:38.34 | oGMo | in ruby, but the language is mostly irrelevant (I'm hoping to move to C for a core and be language independent eventually) |
| 03:39.02 | oGMo | rev|pda: basically, i can make a class, and the system i've built will let the user create objects of that class, and automatically create menus of available methods, forms for those methods, etc. |
| 03:39.18 | oGMo | transparent persistant storage, and transparent network access to objects |
| 03:39.43 | rev|pda | so, you basically cleaning up the C access API so that non-ruby languages can use ruby's object system? |
| 03:39.50 | oGMo | or i kinda gather you're after something like that, as you mention bits of that wrt Squeak |
| 03:39.57 | oGMo | rev|pda: no no |
| 03:39.59 | rev|pda | yes, but i already have it in squeak as well |
| 03:40.14 | rev|pda | that is, transparent persistant storage, network objects, transactions, etc |
| 03:40.20 | rev|pda | all code already written |
| 03:40.28 | oGMo | the current system is all ruby and will stay that way, eventually the ultimate version of this will be C |
| 03:40.34 | rev|pda | i'm modifying and adding to that particular project for Dynapad though |
| 03:40.34 | oGMo | rev|pda: cool. |
| 03:40.36 | rev|pda | ah ok |
| 03:40.38 | oGMo | ah |
| 03:40.42 | rev|pda | the magma OODB |
| 03:40.49 | oGMo | hmm |
| 03:40.59 | rev|pda | i'm adding some new things to it, but the core of the OODB is done and working very well |
| 03:41.12 | rev|pda | it's so great so have so much functionality so available |
| 03:41.21 | oGMo | yeah, i was looking at squeak for those abilities awhile back, but squeak was way too archaic imo |
| 03:41.34 | rev|pda | while i am doign a lot of real coding, i'm glad to not reinvent many wheels |
| 03:41.40 | rev|pda | how so archaic? |
| 03:42.02 | oGMo | unfortunately the general attitude in the ruby community is counterproductive to this goal, so there are things to contend with on that front too |
| 03:42.10 | rev|pda | oh? |
| 03:42.12 | oGMo | rev|pda: the whole image deal |
| 03:42.17 | rev|pda | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.35 | oGMo | well, ruby people have this thing about "duck typing", which is a dumb thing, they just don't see it that way |
| 03:42.44 | rev|pda | duck typing? |
| 03:42.49 | rev|pda | yeah, the image concept can be a put off |
| 03:43.05 | rev|pda | i like it myself for my uses, but they are moving away from such a monolithic image |
| 03:43.11 | oGMo | duck typing basically means if something walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then it's a duck, even if it isn't a Duck |
| 03:43.18 | oGMo | rev|pda: nice |
| 03:43.26 | rev|pda | in dynapad, there is a 4 MB base image which is more or less the ROM of a PDa |
| 03:43.28 | oGMo | that will certainly help, i'll have to give it another look |
| 03:43.32 | rev|pda | and new apps and all data ends up in the OODB |
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| 03:43.43 | oGMo | rev|pda: k |
| 03:44.02 | rev|pda | for a year or so there has been a lot of work toward modularization and such with squeak |
| 03:44.05 | oGMo | i was going to move this system over to the Z, since it has ruby there already |
| 03:44.19 | rev|pda | they are finally doing a lot of cleaning out the closets |
| 03:44.24 | rev|pda | yeah |
| 03:44.24 | oGMo | heh finally ;) |
| 03:44.27 | rev|pda | i just sold my Z |
| 03:44.50 | rev|pda | well, squeak has run fine on many kinds of machines, slow and old and new and fast alike with the old way of doing things, so it never was a pressing issue |
| 03:45.10 | rev|pda | that is, anyone with any smalltalk experience or the desire to tinker could easily shrink their image down to the basics very easily |
| 03:45.37 | rev|pda | i had ruby installed on my Z for a while, but took it off... wasn't using it without having Qt packages to play with |
| 03:45.39 | treke|home | so do you have any form of easy to install image of this stuff? |
| 03:45.41 | oGMo | they can have my Z when they pry it from my cold, dead hands... if they survive my Undead Touch |
| 03:45.45 | oGMo | ;) |
| 03:46.21 | oGMo | rev|pda: hmm |
| 03:46.21 | rev|pda | treke: a couple years ago, no youdidn't... but for a while yes. there is a modular system for one, and an app called "SqueakMap" that si kind of like apt-get for squeak |
| 03:46.39 | rev|pda | it's a GUI app that manages dependencies, and lists apps and libs for squeak |
| 03:46.43 | rev|pda | mega slick |
| 03:46.57 | oGMo | true, it's just widespread adoption is unlikely on a major platform (i.e. unix) with that way of doing things i think |
| 03:47.05 | rev|pda | ogmo: no need for prying with me, i'm too pragmatic to have stick with it |
| 03:47.36 | rev|pda | besides, if the software improves on day, i can always run OZ/Linux on my Jornada- and get a nice keyboard and much better battery |
| 03:47.37 | oGMo | i wouldn't mind upgrading to a c700 though |
| 03:47.46 | oGMo | true |
| 03:47.47 | rev|pda | eh |
| 03:47.50 | rev|pda | i thought about one of those |
| 03:48.00 | rev|pda | but after checking one out, i was *very* glad not to |
| 03:48.05 | rev|pda | i consdiered selling my ibook for one |
| 03:48.07 | oGMo | i'm not really so tied to the hardware as having linux in my pocket |
| 03:48.16 | oGMo | er |
| 03:48.22 | oGMo | i wouldn't replace a laptop with a pda ;) |
| 03:48.25 | rev|pda | i'm more so tied to the idea of having a machine that works and works well rather than linux |
| 03:48.29 | oGMo | waaay different things |
| 03:48.38 | oGMo | for me, ... |
| 03:48.39 | oGMo | uh |
| 03:48.52 | oGMo | ...working well means linux |
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| 03:48.57 | rev|pda | whoops |
| 03:48.58 | rev|pda | k |
| 03:49.04 | oGMo | irc client crash? :P |
| 03:49.06 | rev|pda | for me, PDAs and laptops aren't that different |
| 03:49.07 | rev|pda | no |
| 03:49.13 | rev|pda | i accidentally hit the close hotkey |
| 03:49.17 | rev|pda | :P |
| 03:49.23 | oGMo | for me, working well means linux, because i can hack the heck out of it |
| 03:49.24 | oGMo | heh |
| 03:49.29 | rev|pda | it depends o nthe PDA i guess |
| 03:49.43 | oGMo | actually that's one thing that pisses me off about the Z sometimes... Cancel and Suspend should not be on the same key ;) |
| 03:49.46 | rev|pda | i was wanting to do that with the C700 before i had used the sl-5500 and knew of its limitations |
| 03:49.51 | rev|pda | heh yeah |
| 03:49.54 | rev|pda | that is |
| 03:49.55 | oGMo | i wonder if i can change that in OZ or if it's a hardware thing |
| 03:50.09 | rev|pda | that is, i use my JOrnada 720 as a laptop |
| 03:50.28 | oGMo | rev|pda: well, jornadas are a hybrid |
| 03:50.48 | oGMo | which may be more useful when it comes down to it |
| 03:50.59 | rev|pda | i use it for programming in squeak, i script with it (rebol and perl/tk), I write papers in LaTeX, do math with JACAL and PocketScheme, web browse with IE 4.5 |
| 03:51.00 | oGMo | but for me, i want an electronic pad of paper in my pocket |
| 03:51.01 | rev|pda | well |
| 03:51.16 | rev|pda | it is a hybrid hardware wise, but all the same software runs on it as does any WinCE |
| 03:51.23 | rev|pda | ogmo: then how do you use the Z? |
| 03:51.34 | rev|pda | i have been using this JOrnada 720 and a Newton MP2100 as my PDAs |
| 03:51.36 | oGMo | rev|pda: the hardware is the difference when it comes down to it |
| 03:51.38 | rev|pda | the J720 more as a laptop |
| 03:51.45 | oGMo | er... IQNotes. nuff said. ;) |
| 03:51.51 | rev|pda | yes, but an PPC + a keyboard = pretty darn close |
| 03:52.03 | rev|pda | one of the biggest reason I sold the Z was the lack of any decent notetaing app |
| 03:52.05 | rev|pda | it is sad |
| 03:52.09 | rev|pda | they're all so hideious |
| 03:52.10 | oGMo | i wouldn't mind somethnig better... i could make something better if i had the time, but it works well enough i don't bother |
| 03:52.18 | rev|pda | i wrote something much better |
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| 03:52.31 | oGMo | eh, i type text into the editor |
| 03:52.33 | rev|pda | i used my Newton and J720 for takign a lot of notes |
| 03:52.35 | rev|pda | real notes |
| 03:52.37 | rev|pda | college lecture notes |
| 03:52.44 | oGMo | granted i wouldnl't mind like PocketEmacs or something, but it works |
| 03:52.50 | oGMo | rev|pda: oh |
| 03:52.52 | rev|pda | where i need to often mix text and drawings |
| 03:52.54 | oGMo | i just used a laptop for that |
| 03:53.10 | rev|pda | there is a huge advantage to having a PDA with a semi-decent notes app |
| 03:53.12 | oGMo | these days i just want somethnig to jot stuff on quickly, track expenses, carry a few pictures around |
| 03:53.14 | rev|pda | much better tha na laptop |
| 03:53.32 | rev|pda | even with the same software, using a pad-form factor is much better than a laptop or the J720 for notes for me |
| 03:53.42 | rev|pda | ibut anyway |
| 03:53.55 | oGMo | that why i wouldn't mind a c700 |
| 03:54.03 | oGMo | although i rarely have to take notes anymore |
| 03:54.08 | rev|pda | within 1 hour I wrote a brand-new notes app that kicks the pants off of anything on the Zaurus currently under Qtopia |
| 03:54.12 | oGMo | nothing i can't jot in iqnotes |
| 03:54.26 | rev|pda | the C700 would be awesome if the keyboard didn't suck |
| 03:54.26 | oGMo | hmm |
| 03:54.34 | rev|pda | iqno0tes if fine if you only need to jot *one stinking page* |
| 03:54.34 | rev|pda | i mean |
| 03:54.57 | rev|pda | it takes like 4 clicks to go from one notesyou are jotting just to get a new, blank page |
| 03:55.08 | rev|pda | 4 clicks and at least one keypress (to number the note) |
| 03:55.10 | rev|pda | it is sad |
| 03:55.18 | rev|pda | although i do like the tree view |
| 03:55.23 | oGMo | works fine enough for me |
| 03:55.30 | oGMo | if i was so inclined i might write something better |
| 03:55.46 | oGMo | if i can get a dev environment set up again, and get Mephle ported, i might |
| 03:55.48 | oGMo | but eh |
| 03:55.49 | rev|pda | again, if you've never used semi-decent PDA softare |
| 03:55.52 | oGMo | good enough for me ;) |
| 03:55.53 | rev|pda | Mephle? |
| 03:55.58 | rev|pda | as i said, i just wrote my own in squeak |
| 03:56.01 | oGMo | rev|pda: my ruby object system |
| 03:56.29 | oGMo | on the Z i'll prolly use sqlite, it's a cool little db |
| 03:56.46 | rev|pda | in an hour of coding i have a notes app that does: tree organization of notes, different categories of notes, various sorting and searching, the ability to have drawing-type notes, as well as to insert drawings into a text note, and other stuff |
| 03:56.49 | rev|pda | ack |
| 03:57.02 | oGMo | ... |
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| 03:57.08 | rev|pda | stupid freenode |
| 03:57.12 | oGMo | heh |
| 03:57.15 | rev|pda | i typed too long of a line and it thougt i was flooding |
| 03:57.16 | rev|pda | hrmpf |
| 03:57.27 | rev|pda | i guess ishouldn't be using this assy irc client |
| 03:58.00 | oGMo | dunno |
| 03:58.02 | oGMo | hmm |
| 03:58.10 | oGMo | ok brb, coding |
| 03:58.45 | rev|pda | k |
| 03:58.47 | rev|pda | ciao |
| 03:58.54 | rev|pda | right when i was switching into dynapad |
| 03:58.57 | rev|pda | with the squeak IRC client |
| 03:58.58 | rev|pda | :) |
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| 04:09.51 | burner | anyone wanna buy a zaurus? |
| 04:10.25 | fdask | how much |
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| 04:15.35 | rev|pda | getting another fdask? :) |
| 04:15.46 | rev|pda | burner: why are you sellling? |
| 04:16.21 | fdask | rev: i like to keep pricing. :) |
| 04:16.34 | fdask | you two live near each other? |
| 04:18.39 | rev|pda | who, me and burner? |
| 04:18.50 | rev|pda | i don't know him or where he lives |
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| 05:37.02 | aTypical | Hello all. How's it going? |
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| 05:52.40 | effy-kun | anyone know of any Japanese IRC servers? |
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| 06:11.37 | frankps | good morning |
| 06:12.34 | fdask | hello! |
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| 06:17.59 | effy-kun | sup |
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| 07:41.36 | fdask | can the Z's processor be scaled down to restrict power usage during idle times? |
| 07:41.48 | fdask | these are probably kernel type hooks, right? |
| 07:41.54 | fdask | the same with the screen brightness? |
| 07:42.05 | fdask | who develops those |
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| 07:46.31 | shishi | hello |
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| 07:50.55 | shishi | someone can tell me how can i move properly /tmp to my SD ? |
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| 08:50.45 | Twiun | Morning chaps |
| 08:51.38 | fusion94 | yeah it is |
| 08:53.03 | Twiun | how's things? |
| 08:54.13 | fusion94 | all right i guess |
| 08:54.21 | fusion94 | could be wrose |
| 08:54.24 | fusion94 | worse even |
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| 08:55.48 | effy-kun | either of you know where I can find locale definitions for Opie? |
| 08:56.14 | fusion94 | nfc mate |
| 08:58.09 | Twiun | effy-kun: opie cvs? |
| 08:58.24 | Twiun | effy-kun: #opie? (but be prepared for a long wait for an answer :) |
| 09:00.07 | effy-kun | hehe |
| 09:00.39 | effy-kun | OZ on the C700 appears to be reporting my CPU info incorrectly |
| 09:01.19 | fdask | whats it report |
| 09:01.21 | fdask | how do u check |
| 09:01.32 | fdask | does the Z have a /proc? |
| 09:01.39 | yeiazel | yes |
| 09:01.48 | fdask | wicked |
| 09:02.39 | effy-kun | it reports "Intel XScale-PXA250 rev 4(v51)" |
| 09:02.56 | effy-kun | it should be a 400, I thought |
| 09:03.15 | fdask | the pxa250 runs @ 400mhz i think |
| 09:03.16 | Twiun | the PXA250 is a 400MHz chip |
| 09:03.19 | fdask | pxa250 might be model name |
| 09:03.43 | effy-kun | ok |
| 09:03.43 | effy-kun | heh |
| 09:03.53 | effy-kun | maybe I'm jumping too fast ;) |
| 09:03.55 | fdask | whats your dmesg say |
| 09:04.00 | fdask | paste it |
| 09:04.00 | fdask | :) |
| 09:04.13 | effy-kun | I cant paste it right now heh |
| 09:04.32 | effy-kun | I suppose I should install the tools for me to get into it through the USB port |
| 09:06.22 | effy-kun | I've already found enough things to add to the todo list of OZ |
| 09:07.05 | fdask | do you code? |
| 09:07.32 | effy-kun | not for the OZ |
| 09:07.48 | effy-kun | but I might do some |
| 09:08.58 | Twiun | effy-kun: there's some good .jp links at the bottom of this page http://shop.conics.net/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/ |
| 09:11.33 | effy-kun | funny, everyone is trying to translate the environment to English, I'm trying to get it into Japanese |
| 09:11.33 | effy-kun | heh |
| 09:11.58 | Twiun | hehe |
| 09:13.37 | fdask | do the usa sold c700's have support for japanese? |
| 09:13.40 | fdask | or do you have to reflash |
| 09:14.16 | fdask | the small linux doesn't run with all the same kinda localization customization that a normal linux would, does it? |
| 09:15.00 | effy-kun | I dont even know what all is there. |
| 09:15.10 | effy-kun | for locale customization |
| 09:15.37 | fdask | whats the process to get from the jp c700 to usa? |
| 09:15.56 | effy-kun | look at Twiun's URL |
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| 09:19.48 | effy-kun | hmmm, perhaps I should have stayed with the default Qtopia |
| 09:19.49 | effy-kun | heh |
| 09:34.25 | Twiun | woohoo! |
| 09:34.34 | Twiun | finally got my usb reader to work under linux |
| 09:37.19 | effy-kun | "usb reader"? |
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| 09:38.07 | Twiun | usb CF card reader |
| 09:38.12 | fusion94 | Twiun: me too....but i call it Windows XP :P |
| 09:38.38 | Twiun | fusion94: until today, that's what I had to do... and as I reflash a new image every 2 to 3 hours... |
| 09:38.49 | Twiun | it'll be much easier if I do it all on linux |
| 09:39.01 | fusion94 | Twiun: you're a sucker for punishment aren't you ? |
| 09:39.19 | Twiun | fusion94: what can I say? I've been hired to make a custom rom |
| 09:39.29 | fusion94 | by sharp ? |
| 09:39.35 | fusion94 | or some 3rd party ? |
| 09:39.41 | Twiun | 3rd party |
| 09:39.46 | fusion94 | right on |
| 09:40.05 | Twiun | I doubt sharp-uk actually knows what a developer is |
| 09:41.24 | Twiun | fusion94: I'm making a kiosk-type rom for their fullscreen java app :) |
| 09:42.33 | fusion94 | cool cool |
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| 10:17.55 | effy-kun | scratch that |
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| 14:49.45 | hbmartin | I can't get my 5600 working with LAN-USB :::( |
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| 15:05.15 | yeiazel | 5600 ? dunno |
| 15:05.23 | yeiazel | you can buy a 5500 at expansys.fr |
| 15:05.46 | yeiazel | and come to #zaurusfr :) |
| 15:06.54 | mr_science | morning |
| 15:07.22 | vindex | yeiazel : thanks, but I'm really looking for the 5600 |
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| 15:08.16 | yeiazel | vindex: come to #zaurusfr anyway |
| 15:11.59 | hbmartin | buy a 5500 if you're on Linux |
| 15:18.32 | yeiazel | hbmartin: hehe :) |
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| 15:24.55 | hbmartin | It's not funny, I've got a 5600 that I can't sync with my linux box |
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| 15:28.07 | vindex | are you ppl happy with your 5600? should I get one? |
| 15:28.39 | m_0f | im happy with my 5500 |
| 15:28.41 | m_0f | :p |
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| 15:43.31 | hbmartin | hi kergoth |
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| 16:17.13 | vindex | one theory says there is at most 10 levels of separation between any one individual, |
| 16:18.24 | treke | and one theory says that the first theory is full of crap |
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| 17:37.45 | hardwire | whats up suckas |
| 17:38.05 | doughecka | you have a new logo? |
| 17:38.18 | doughecka | :P |
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| 18:01.50 | hardwire | ljp: got a win98 machine sitting around? |
| 18:02.29 | ljp | uhhhh..hmm nope not now |
| 18:02.44 | ljp | I hate win98 |
| 18:02.54 | ljp | might as well be using win3.1 |
| 18:04.20 | hardwire | basically |
| 18:04.27 | hardwire | but I need the install floppy for it |
| 18:04.28 | hardwire | or atleast the image |
| 18:04.40 | hardwire | :( |
| 18:04.43 | doughecka | hardwire: ah... google |
| 18:04.49 | ljp | install floppy? a boot floppy? |
| 18:04.51 | doughecka | google for disk image win98 |
| 18:04.57 | hardwire | doughecka: you gots the mad skillz for a floppy image? |
| 18:05.04 | ljp | I have win98 boot disk |
| 18:05.16 | doughecka | I dont have a win98 box with a floppy drive |
| 18:06.20 | hardwire | doughecka: yeah.. well.. google is always the first resort doughecka |
| 18:06.27 | doughecka | :D |
| 18:06.41 | hardwire | thats why I am asking here.. secondarily |
| 18:06.42 | hardwire | :) |
| 18:06.42 | hardwire | ljp: you have the floppy? |
| 18:06.48 | hardwire | dd if=/dev/fd0 of=win98.make.shane.happy.img bs=1024k |
| 18:07.01 | ljp | hang on |
| 18:07.13 | doughecka | haha |
| 18:07.34 | hardwire | danke |
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| 18:20.17 | hardwire | ljp: emailed? |
| 18:21.00 | ljp | http://llornkcor.com/win98.make.shane.happy.img |
| 18:21.04 | hardwire | ljp: you are my new personal jesus fucking christ. |
| 18:21.20 | ljp | groovey |
| 18:21.23 | ljp | get me a whore |
| 18:22.08 | hardwire | heheheh! |
| 18:22.19 | hardwire | you maka me spit |
| 18:24.53 | hardwire | hehe |
| 18:24.59 | hardwire | burned it off to a business card cd |
| 18:25.03 | hardwire | it sounds like a weed wacker now |
| 18:25.11 | hardwire | that cdrom doesn't like those cd's |
| 18:25.15 | ljp | hope that works |
| 18:25.24 | hardwire | oh it should |
| 18:25.38 | ljp | I mean, as in no bits missing |
| 18:26.29 | hardwire | trust in the tcp/ip deamons |
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| 18:40.49 | hardwire | ljp: worked like a charm |
| 18:40.51 | hardwire | go pick out a hooker |
| 18:41.07 | hardwire | I can pay for about as much as a good look.. or a smile |
| 18:41.26 | ljp | hmmm |
| 18:44.20 | Twiun | hardwire: obviously not an honest smile? |
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| 18:46.00 | hardwire | fucking hell |
| 18:46.10 | hardwire | setup.exe for windows 98/98se/95 just goes in |
| 18:46.13 | hardwire | dies |
| 18:46.16 | hardwire | immedietly |
| 18:46.18 | hardwire | stupid fucking shit |
| 18:46.27 | hardwire | no offense to shit |
| 18:47.16 | ljp | hmmm |
| 18:47.45 | hardwire | got it |
| 18:47.52 | hardwire | setup /is /iL /ie |
| 18:47.53 | hardwire | bastards |
| 18:50.09 | ljp | there's secret setup args also |
| 18:52.18 | hardwire | its finally installing |
| 18:52.27 | hardwire | on a machine with 384 megs of ram |
| 18:52.35 | doughecka | lol |
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| 18:59.44 | doughecka | NOOOOOOOO! |
| 19:00.26 | doughecka | oops |
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| 19:00.51 | doughecka | whew |
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| 19:13.19 | doughecka | ~throw up |
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| 19:15.16 | Neo|Work | gah |
| 19:15.23 | doughecka | bah |
| 19:15.29 | ljp | fah |
| 19:15.35 | doughecka | pah |
| 19:15.36 | kergoth | hah |
| 19:15.41 | doughecka | ho |
| 19:16.22 | fdask | hi |
| 19:16.36 | doughecka | heh |
| 19:16.41 | kergoth | blah |
| 19:16.55 | doughecka | fart |
| 19:17.00 | fusion94 | tart |
| 19:17.06 | doughecka | lart |
| 19:17.11 | kergoth | ~lart doughecka |
| 19:17.22 | doughecka | :9 |
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| 19:18.29 | rev|desk | yooo |
| 19:18.36 | doughecka | hoooo |
| 19:20.03 | rev|desk | WOOT |
| 19:20.06 | rev|desk | finals are DONE |
| 19:20.11 | rev|desk | which means i can CODE CODE CODE |
| 19:20.19 | doughecka | work on bzflag then |
| 19:20.19 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:20.41 | rev|desk | bzflag? |
| 19:20.42 | doughecka | we need develepers.. all the regular people have gone off making there own games becuase the code is too nasrt |
| 19:20.50 | doughecka | bzflag.org #bzflag |
| 19:20.56 | TimRiker | nasrt? |
| 19:21.05 | rev|desk | nah, i got plenty of other stuff to do... dynapad ( http://spe.sf.net ) is the main project |
| 19:21.06 | ljp | hahaha |
| 19:21.09 | TimRiker | ~bzflag |
| 19:21.09 | | rumour has it, bzflag is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org or the former CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming |
| 19:21.17 | doughecka | TimRiker :D |
| 19:21.23 | doughecka | TimRiker: patches welcome |
| 19:21.57 | doughecka | or a patchy development project with too much gaming |
| 19:22.32 | TimRiker | heh |
| 19:22.54 | doughecka | whens g2/g? coming out? |
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| 19:54.30 | TimRiker | doughecka: as soon as I get some time =( perhaps after I finish my OLS presentation. |
| 19:54.42 | doughecka | OLE! |
| 19:54.45 | doughecka | er, heh |
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| 19:58.36 | doughecka | roink! |
| 19:58.46 | doughecka | dats what a tigerpig sounds like |
| 19:59.05 | tigerpig | that's right! how did you know? |
| 19:59.16 | doughecka | I know everything |
| 19:59.18 | doughecka | even the answer |
| 19:59.29 | tigerpig | I only just started using that email address the other day: roink@tigerpig.org |
| 19:59.39 | doughecka | haha |
| 19:59.44 | doughecka | hahahaha |
| 19:59.52 | tigerpig | you totally read my mind |
| 19:59.54 | kergoth | of course you know the answer, its 42 |
| 20:00.06 | doughecka | whats the question? |
| 20:00.08 | tigerpig | oh hi kergoth, and congrats on your new job :) |
| 20:00.13 | kergoth | thanks |
| 20:00.34 | tigerpig | btw just started browsing the FAQ, and I think the first entry needs updating |
| 20:00.43 | tigerpig | on the C700 you can flash from SD, can't you? |
| 20:00.55 | kergoth | note that none of the faqs have the 'device' selected |
| 20:01.00 | doughecka | is this a trick question? |
| 20:01.04 | kergoth | i added collie/poodle/corgi/ipaq faq categories |
| 20:01.09 | kergoth | we just need to associate the faqs to them |
| 20:01.10 | tigerpig | ah |
| 20:01.13 | kergoth | havent had time |
| 20:01.48 | tigerpig | on a similar topic, it's worth clarifying (when you get time) that on the C700 the zimage should be called zimage.bin not zImage |
| 20:02.02 | tigerpig | I reflashed with the latter and took me ages to figure out why everything broke |
| 20:02.05 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:02.30 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:02.36 | tigerpig | mainly because I misread the output of uname -a, thinking that 'openzaurus' was part of the kernel version, rather than the hostname |
| 20:02.39 | kergoth | whats worth doing, is adding device specific install guides. |
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| 20:02.44 | tigerpig | yes |
| 20:02.53 | tigerpig | now to join the mailing lists |
| 20:02.54 | doughecka | frankps: what does a tigerpig say? |
| 20:02.54 | kergoth | downloads page doesnt facilitate device yet etiher |
| 20:02.59 | kergoth | noda has quite a few things on his todo :) |
| 20:03.09 | tigerpig | I want to contribute |
| 20:03.13 | frankps | he-he |
| 20:03.27 | tigerpig | there are a number of things I need fixed before I can use my C700 as a Palm replacement |
| 20:03.31 | doughecka | frankps: quess, if you get it correctly, you have his email |
| 20:03.32 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:03.45 | tigerpig | itches that badly need scratching, IOW |
| 20:03.49 | ljp | ya know. it just aint my computer till my .emacs is in ~ |
| 20:03.57 | doughecka | hehehe |
| 20:04.02 | frankps | :-D |
| 20:04.25 | tigerpig | kergoth: for some of them, hopefully it would be enough if I was given a pointer in the right direction and then I could go off and fix them myself |
| 20:04.38 | tigerpig | for instance, the keymaps are all wrong |
| 20:04.51 | tigerpig | e.g. cursor keys are muddled up |
| 20:05.12 | kergoth | the cursor key not rotated has been fixed for weeks |
| 20:05.18 | tigerpig | ah |
| 20:05.21 | kergoth | dont fuck with either touchscreen or keyboard |
| 20:05.28 | kergoth | i wrote a new keyboard handler for qt/e |
| 20:05.28 | kergoth | and shit |
| 20:05.32 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:05.32 | tigerpig | ok |
| 20:05.33 | kergoth | so its on my plate |
| 20:05.36 | tigerpig | great |
| 20:06.01 | tigerpig | I have yet to figure out basic stuff like whether there's a CVS repo to get my grubby hands on |
| 20:06.11 | kergoth | opie is in cvs |
| 20:06.15 | kergoth | anything you want to fix in the gui is there |
| 20:06.20 | tigerpig | ok |
| 20:06.27 | tigerpig | is there a developer's FAQ? |
| 20:06.28 | kergoth | base system is a bitkeeper repository of a buildsystem which downloads and builds all teh applications, including opie |
| 20:06.31 | kergoth | no |
| 20:06.32 | kergoth | well |
| 20:06.36 | kergoth | opie.handhelds.org has bits on building opie |
| 20:06.46 | kergoth | and oz has docs/ in the bitkeeper repository |
| 20:06.52 | kergoth | which covers building oz, as well as adding new packages to oz |
| 20:06.55 | tigerpig | oooh, bitkeeper |
| 20:09.16 | tigerpig | eventually I hope to be able to browse using Konqueror/BlueTooth/t68/GPRS |
| 20:09.37 | tigerpig | and possibly a nice gps program with a bluetooth gps receiver |
| 20:11.39 | tigerpig | currently the main problem is that I can't up usbd0 under OZ |
| 20:11.52 | tigerpig | it worked fine with usbnet.o under the Sharp ROM |
| 20:11.52 | kergoth | known behavior |
| 20:12.00 | kergoth | echo 'pxa_bi' >> /etc/modules |
| 20:12.06 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.09 | kergoth | er |
| 20:12.12 | tigerpig | thanks |
| 20:12.13 | kergoth | modutils, not networking |
| 20:12.15 | kergoth | heh |
| 20:12.43 | tigerpig | what about the long delay reading the CF card every time it's inserted? |
| 20:12.50 | tigerpig | and the vanishing launcher icons? |
| 20:12.54 | tigerpig | that also a FAQ? |
| 20:12.59 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:13.03 | kergoth | vanishing launcher icons/ |
| 20:13.11 | kergoth | unable to reproduce, never seen, never heard of. |
| 20:13.12 | kergoth | unreported |
| 20:13.25 | tigerpig | ah |
| 20:13.43 | Solar[X] | Don't you just love it when people bitch about something you made for free? |
| 20:13.48 | kergoth | Solar[X]: oh yeah! |
| 20:13.50 | tigerpig | I'm not bitching! |
| 20:13.54 | Solar[X] | Hehe |
| 20:13.57 | tigerpig | OZ is *awesome* ;-) |
| 20:14.11 | tigerpig | just needs a bit of polishing on the C700 is all |
| 20:14.20 | kergoth | yep, it does |
| 20:14.54 | tigerpig | will describe the vanishing icons more precisely in a second |
| 20:14.59 | kergoth | k |
| 20:15.09 | kergoth | the delay inserting the card is opie scanning it for documents |
| 20:15.13 | tigerpig | presumably you fixed the right-shift-not-working along with the cursor keys |
| 20:15.14 | kergoth | you can disable that in mediummount |
| 20:15.16 | kergoth | yep |
| 20:15.19 | kergoth | well thats not fixed |
| 20:15.24 | tigerpig | I thought I had disabled it |
| 20:15.24 | kergoth | but it will be |
| 20:15.29 | kergoth | its one of the first items on the todo |
| 20:15.34 | tigerpig | k |
| 20:15.37 | kergoth | tigerpig: does it exhibit the same delay without opie running/ |
| 20:15.47 | tigerpig | no, it's an opie thing |
| 20:15.59 | tigerpig | (hell, I don't even know how to use the thing without opie yet!) |
| 20:16.10 | kergoth | well i'm rewriting the whole docs scanning implementation shortly anyway |
| 20:16.13 | tigerpig | what about tab completion crashing the machine? |
| 20:17.37 | tigerpig | sweet |
| 20:18.30 | tigerpig | what does bi stand for in pxa_bi? |
| 20:18.43 | SuKo|Shi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.04 | SuKo|Shi | bisexual? |
| 20:19.31 | Mattabist | i have installed the SL Series (NDIS 5) to many times on windows xp... i wanted to delete the older installs but windows xp will not show them... they have them hidden. How can I view these or delete these? Any suggestions would help me a lot. |
| 20:19.33 | tigerpig | :) |
| 20:19.38 | tigerpig | hrm |
| 20:19.51 | tigerpig | usb0 up on my desktop, but no usbd0 on the zaurus |
| 20:21.15 | tigerpig | what am I missing? |
| 20:21.18 | ljp | bicycle |
| 20:21.51 | Solar[X] | bimetrical neoflux condensor fluid. |
| 20:21.57 | tigerpig | hrm :) |
| 20:22.04 | Solar[X] | It's true! |
| 20:22.13 | SuKo|Shi | bad incidence |
| 20:24.13 | Solar[X] | Open Source is lies |
| 20:24.13 | Solar[X] | The linux kernel is full of our stolen code. I triple guarantee you - it is all over the place! We're giving them a real lesson today. Heavy doesn't accurately describe the level of casualties we have inflicted. I will show you the stolen code - IN ONE HOUR! |
| 20:24.20 | Solar[X] | Mohammed al-Sahaf (now SCO press spokesman) |
| 20:24.24 | Solar[X] | Hm stupid line breaks. |
| 20:24.35 | tigerpig | heheh |
| 20:24.50 | tigerpig | welovethescoinformationminister.com |
| 20:26.35 | tigerpig | kergoth: even with medium checking disabled, I get "Finding Documents" in the bottom panel |
| 20:26.58 | tigerpig | and then when it finishes, the icons disappear |
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| 20:27.28 | tigerpig | if I now eject the CF card via the CF icon, it does a "Finding Documents" search again and then the icons come back |
| 20:29.12 | tigerpig | what is the point of this search? |
| 20:33.42 | tigerpig | USB device not accepting new address=21 (error=-110) |
| 20:34.15 | tigerpig | bah |
| 20:34.34 | tigerpig | now it's the other way around - the Z usbd0 is ok, but not the desktop usb0 |
| 20:34.47 | treke | rmmod usb-eth |
| 20:34.58 | treke | then take the z out of the cradle |
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| 20:35.05 | treke | modprobe usb-eth and put it in the cradle |
| 20:35.12 | rev|desk | hey\ |
| 20:35.12 | rev|desk | mmm |
| 20:35.14 | tigerpig | I'm not using usb-eth, and I have no cradle |
| 20:35.16 | tigerpig | it's a C700 |
| 20:35.20 | treke | usbnet |
| 20:35.21 | rev|desk | it is good to be back i nthe blanket of squeak-as-environment |
| 20:35.22 | Pendalar | off topic, but does anyone know of like a legal/medical sort of mysql db admin program? just web based data entry |
| 20:35.28 | tigerpig | I already did an rmmod usbnet |
| 20:35.31 | Pendalar | with common fields for medical billings |
| 20:35.46 | tigerpig | I think it's lower in the USB stack |
| 20:35.50 | tigerpig | e.g. usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 2, frame# 1647 |
| 20:36.07 | tigerpig | can't rmmod that or I lose my internet connectivity :) |
| 20:36.27 | Solar[X] | The internet is overrated anyway. |
| 20:36.32 | Solar[X] | :) |
| 20:36.50 | treke | tigerpig: Whenever I've seen that error its because the device side has lost it connection but doesnt want to give up its usb address |
| 20:38.27 | *** join/#zaurus tigerpig (~adams@81-86-198-105.dsl.pipex.com) |
| 20:38.42 | tigerpig | bah bah bah |
| 20:38.54 | tigerpig | it shouldn't have let me do that rmmod |
| 20:39.07 | tigerpig | how can it have thought usb-uhci was unused? |
| 20:39.13 | tigerpig | silly computer |
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| 20:50.00 | *** part/#zaurus alspar (~alexsparr@81-6-242-108.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) |
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| 20:57.41 | fusion94 | anyone awake ? |
| 20:57.46 | ljp | yup |
| 20:59.55 | tigerpig | barely |
| 21:01.16 | tigerpig | anyone know how to fix this:USB device not accepting new address=12 (error=-110) |
| 21:03.32 | fishy | kergoth, are you there? |
| 21:09.40 | hardwire | ok |
| 21:09.46 | hardwire | here is a quick QT contest for you all |
| 21:09.59 | hardwire | who can find the win98 (non se) cdkey the fastest |
| 21:10.02 | hardwire | starting.... now! |
| 21:11.19 | kergoth | astalavista.box.sk |
| 21:11.21 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:11.29 | ljp | hehee |
| 21:12.16 | hardwire | whazzat? |
| 21:12.18 | kergoth | sooo much crap to copy off of boxes at digi |
| 21:12.43 | hardwire | the CEO of the company I am working for is sitting on the other side of the table I am at |
| 21:12.49 | hardwire | can I open that safely? |
| 21:13.00 | Pendalar | it's just porn.. |
| 21:13.03 | ljp | warez/crackz site |
| 21:13.08 | kergoth | its a warez/cracks search engine with porn popups |
| 21:13.13 | Pendalar | surely he likes porn.. |
| 21:13.16 | tigerpig | kergoth: did you catch my brief bug description earlier? the problem is there even with mount checking disabled |
| 21:13.21 | tigerpig | s/mount/medium/ |
| 21:13.38 | kergoth | tigerpig: odd. well, like i said, i'm rewriting the media scanning code when I'm doing the launcher rewrite anyway |
| 21:13.42 | hardwire | I have no idea how to navigate this site |
| 21:13.42 | kergoth | so dont worry about it |
| 21:14.01 | tigerpig | ok |
| 21:14.42 | tigerpig | so to get the latest opie, I have to check it out from bk and then rebuild? |
| 21:15.32 | tigerpig | incidentally it seems systemtime was missing from the initrd, though you probably already spotted that |
| 21:16.25 | Pendalar | heh version 0.2.1.3 (Bread & Butter) |
| 21:16.32 | Pendalar | I like how people codename things |
| 21:18.09 | *** join/#zaurus dan2003 (~mango@pc4-ware1-4-cust238.lutn.cable.ntl.com) |
| 21:18.45 | *** join/#zaurus djk (~djk@ool-44c14684.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 21:19.00 | dan2003 | hey guys, anybody know when the 5600 is due for relaese in the UK? it was originally for the first quater of this year but i cant find it yet |
| 21:20.03 | *** topic/#zaurus by TheMasterMind1 -> Sharp Zaurus Discussion | OpenZaurus discussion in #openzaurus and #openembedded | http://zaurus.com/ | http://myzaurus.com/ | SF zaurus mailing list subscribers will be transitioned to the new lists today! | Any OZ/E developers interested in buying C700s for $520 shipped from Dynamism talk to TMM1 |
| 21:20.06 | *** topic/#zaurus by ChanServ -> Sharp Zaurus Discussion | OpenZaurus discussion in #openzaurus and #openembedded | http://zaurus.com/ | http://myzaurus.com/ | SF zaurus mailing list subscribers will be transitioned to the new lists today! |
| 21:20.10 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:20.59 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: dont bother, the devs will be in the other chan anyway |
| 21:21.06 | TheMasterMind1 | kergoth: yea |
| 21:21.38 | Pendalar | which other chan =-P there's plenty enough around this server |
| 21:21.53 | Pendalar | Z/OZ/OE/opie.. bah |
| 21:27.38 | *** join/#zaurus djr|w (~dj@lsanca1-ar2-4-60-005-209.lsanca1.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 21:28.09 | TheMasterMind1 | Open(Zaurus|Embedded|IPaq|Simpad|Rasmes) |
| 21:28.23 | doughecka | (source) |
| 21:28.54 | Pendalar | no philips ipronto? |
| 21:28.57 | Pendalar | pity =-P |
| 21:29.06 | doughecka | how about philips nino? |
| 21:29.07 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:30.24 | Pendalar | el nino? now that was a storm |
| 21:30.43 | doughecka | it was a win ce 2 pda |
| 21:30.44 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:31.47 | treke | no nino support |
| 21:31.58 | doughecka | bah |
| 21:32.02 | doughecka | your no fun |
| 21:32.04 | treke | those things were way to limited |
| 21:32.12 | doughecka | they did run linux on it though |
| 21:32.13 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:32.25 | treke | I think they booted linux on it :) |
| 21:32.34 | doughecka | wekk |
| 21:32.34 | treke | important distinction |
| 21:32.36 | doughecka | well, yea |
| 21:32.37 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:32.47 | kergoth | TheMasterMind1: OpenEmbedded/(Zaurus|IPaq|Simpad|Ramses) is the full names |
| 21:32.56 | TheMasterMind1 | heh |
| 21:33.13 | kergoth | openembedded/[device] aka open[device] |
| 21:33.35 | doughecka | openembedded/(free_pdas_for_all) |
| 21:33.52 | TheMasterMind1 | doughecka: you buying? |
| 21:33.59 | doughecka | no |
| 21:34.08 | doughecka | I am on the recieving end |
| 21:34.20 | kergoth | treke: demo's making progress on the kernel |
| 21:34.52 | treke | if he get's anywhere, I'd seriously consider ordering one :) |
| 21:35.08 | kergoth | he's using a wince loader app to load the kenrel |
| 21:35.11 | treke | if not it'll be 5400+1 one for me |
| 21:35.16 | kergoth | dont think they have a new bootloader yet |
| 21:36.04 | *** join/#zaurus WildAngus (~wildangus@modem-284.snake.dialup.pol.co.uk) |
| 21:37.20 | WildAngus | ? |
| 21:37.25 | kergoth | ? |
| 21:37.28 | *** join/#zaurus _Psycho (~Bob@MTL-HSE-ppp165799.qc.sympatico.ca) |
| 21:37.29 | doughecka | ? |
| 21:37.44 | WildAngus | Is there anybody there? |
| 21:37.50 | doughecka | no |
| 21:37.50 | kergoth | no |
| 21:37.59 | kergoth | ask a stupid question.. |
| 21:38.01 | WildAngus | Sorry IRC Newbie |
| 21:38.02 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:38.12 | WildAngus | Dunno how to work it yet... |
| 21:38.38 | doughecka | world even |
| 21:39.35 | fusion94 | kergoth`bbl: you do opie on SF yes ? |
| 21:39.51 | treke | opie is on handhelds.org |
| 21:42.13 | WildAngus | has anyone ever got IR printing to work? |
| 21:44.05 | doughecka | hmm |
| 21:44.06 | doughecka | dunno |
| 21:44.10 | doughecka | ~ir |
| 21:44.10 | | Program to control Chris Dodge's IR device via command line, email, web, or cron. URL: http://kramer.ne.mediaone.net/ir/ |
| 21:44.17 | doughecka | nope |
| 21:44.34 | subdue | page can not be displayed |
| 21:44.52 | doughecka | bummer |
| 21:45.02 | WildAngus | I mean lpr after doing a mknod /dev/irlpt0 c 161 16 |
| 21:46.56 | WildAngus | or even cat foo.bar > /dev/irlpt0 |
| 21:47.16 | doughecka | dunno, you can try it :) |
| 21:47.20 | doughecka | cant hurt anything |
| 21:47.51 | WildAngus | i tried it but it don't work for me. do I need a special kernel build? |
| 21:48.14 | doughecka | havnt the faintest idea |
| 21:48.22 | WildAngus | Ok bye |
| 21:48.40 | doughecka | ask kergoth`bbl |
| 21:48.43 | doughecka | or someone else |
| 21:48.47 | doughecka | or in #openzaurus |
| 21:48.57 | doughecka | or in anyplace else |
| 21:49.00 | doughecka | #linux even :) |
| 21:49.43 | Twiun | can someone paste the contents of their Z's /etc/pointercal for me? |
| 21:49.55 | Twiun | should be a single line |
| 21:50.27 | ljp | sorry, that proprietary information |
| 21:50.34 | doughecka | yea |
| 21:50.40 | Twiun | lol |
| 21:50.49 | doughecka | 21036 0 472524 0 14989 1066740 65536# |
| 21:50.56 | Twiun | thanks :) |
| 21:51.17 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:51.21 | doughecka | cracked screen? |
| 21:51.57 | ljp | he forgot how to touch the screen |
| 21:52.02 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:52.23 | doughecka | easy to forget you know, its never used |
| 21:52.25 | Twiun | nah, just making a barebones image |
| 21:52.34 | doughecka | oooh |
| 21:52.39 | doughecka | with OZ? |
| 21:52.41 | doughecka | or debian? |
| 21:52.44 | doughecka | or gentoo? |
| 21:52.45 | Twiun | and the calibration, being part of the launcher, isn't a separate app |
| 21:52.48 | Twiun | with OZ |
| 21:52.51 | doughecka | ah, cool |
| 21:54.54 | *** join/#zaurus br33zy (~br33zy@dt0f7n86.san.rr.com) |
| 21:57.56 | *** join/#zaurus zsazs (~ian@kwak.polpo.org) |
| 22:01.21 | zsazs | is it just me or is zaurus.com dead? |
| 22:01.26 | zsazs | they must have just released the rom : |
| 22:03.54 | subdue | new rom would be at myzaurus.com, not zaurus.com |
| 22:08.13 | *** join/#zaurus Sniper (~Sniper@gatekeepernj3.sharpsec.com) |
| 22:08.23 | Sniper | hi |
| 22:08.29 | doughecka | hey Sniper |
| 22:08.37 | Sniper | whats going on? |
| 22:09.05 | Sniper | site outage |
| 22:09.07 | doughecka | I am talking with you currently, how about you? |
| 22:09.08 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:09.12 | Twiun | lol |
| 22:09.14 | Sniper | right when i want to release the SL5500 new ROM |
| 22:09.15 | doughecka | [18:01] <zsazs> is it just me or is zaurus.com dead? |
| 22:09.25 | doughecka | you missed him |
| 22:09.26 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:09.29 | Twiun | Sniper: isp fault? |
| 22:09.41 | Sniper | yeah.. or our users overloaded them.. |
| 22:09.41 | Sniper | haha |
| 22:09.51 | Sniper | we had 100 downloads within 10 minutes |
| 22:09.52 | Sniper | not bad |
| 22:10.23 | zsazs | shucks, i knew i missed it |
| 22:11.19 | Sniper | put some offerbots in the irc channel |
| 22:12.35 | zsazs | I would if I had the rom :) |
| 22:12.51 | zsazs | much, much bandwidth here |
| 22:12.51 | Sniper | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.53 | Sniper | :-) |
| 22:13.33 | subdue | Sniper: have what? |
| 22:13.35 | zsazs | well aren't you special :D |
| 22:13.37 | Twiun | Sniper: want me to stick it up in the files section of my site? |
| 22:13.37 | Sniper | the ROM |
| 22:13.50 | Sniper | did u get a chance to download it? |
| 22:14.00 | Sniper | i still have to upload a 40MB file for the Windoze users |
| 22:14.02 | Twiun | Sniper: no 5500, so I wasn't in the rush :) |
| 22:14.06 | Sniper | it has the new Intelliysync and Qtopia |
| 22:14.35 | zsazs | is the qtopia desktop any different than the betas on trolltech's site? |
| 22:14.38 | Sniper | im sending u just the OSPACK |
| 22:14.42 | Sniper | yes of course |
| 22:14.47 | Twiun | ok |
| 22:14.55 | Sniper | dcc send |
| 22:15.01 | Twiun | I'll put it in there as soon as it finishes |
| 22:15.05 | Sniper | or if u have an ftp site.. i'll ftp it |
| 22:15.09 | zsazs | if you could send it to me, i can mirror on my very fast connection |
| 22:15.18 | Sniper | give me an ftp site |
| 22:15.36 | subdue | ... ? |
| 22:15.37 | zsazs | no ftp, dcc would be great though. |
| 22:16.01 | subdue | this is a new 5500 rom? |
| 22:16.09 | Sniper | hmm maybe my dcc send doesnt work here at sharp |
| 22:16.09 | Sniper | yes |
| 22:16.14 | Sniper | did anyone get a chance to download? |
| 22:16.21 | doughecka | we use OZ |
| 22:16.21 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:16.26 | Sniper | the ISP went down where our servers are |
| 22:16.37 | Sniper | the new ROM update is pretty good |
| 22:16.53 | doughecka | oh? |
| 22:17.04 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:17.14 | zsazs | that dcc didn't seem to work |
| 22:17.28 | Sniper | whao we're back |
| 22:17.40 | Sniper | http://community.zaurus.com/projects/sl5500uss/ |
| 22:17.42 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:17.48 | Sniper | thanks guys! |
| 22:17.53 | *** join/#zaurus zsazs (~ian@204.2.8.12) |
| 22:17.59 | zsazs | hmm |
| 22:18.09 | doughecka | zsazs disconnected, and when he did, it fixed |
| 22:18.16 | zsazs | this account may work better |
| 22:19.02 | subdue | Sniper: this is a new oz, or z rom? |
| 22:19.35 | zsazs | new sharp z rom :D |
| 22:19.44 | Sniper | z rom |
| 22:20.07 | subdue | cool. thanks |
| 22:20.08 | ljp | how about 5000d |
| 22:20.11 | Sniper | not ye |
| 22:20.19 | doughecka | hmm |
| 22:20.19 | ljp | of course |
| 22:20.46 | ljp | youd think that the developers would be the first, so we could test it before the users get it |
| 22:21.24 | ljp | last time it was 6 months before we got caught up to the 5500 |
| 22:21.30 | zsazs | looks like www.zaurus.com is working again |
| 22:21.53 | subdue | oh wow. it's got everything in ipk's :) |
| 22:22.02 | ljp | I mean, if kergoth can kick out several different rom, surely sharp can do two |
| 22:24.06 | ljp | its not that difficult to change memory configuration |
| 22:24.33 | zsazs | where's the link the 100 people downloaded from? :) |
| 22:24.43 | Sniper | http://community.zaurus.com/projects/sl5500uss/ |
| 22:24.57 | Sniper | we're getting hammered |
| 22:24.59 | Sniper | so take it easy |
| 22:25.15 | ljp | :D |
| 22:25.33 | ljp | last rom update was June, 2002 |
| 22:26.25 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:26.28 | zsazs | i'm transferring at 190K/s, not shabby : |
| 22:27.06 | *** join/#zaurus aveng0 (~david@ip248-172.ott.istop.com) |
| 22:27.17 | Sniper | gosh |
| 22:27.22 | Sniper | the server is def getting hammered |
| 22:27.25 | zsazs | 22:27:10 (233.97 KB/s) - `5500v310Ospack.zip' saved [15668608/15668608] |
| 22:27.31 | Sniper | you got it? |
| 22:27.34 | zsazs | yep |
| 22:27.37 | Sniper | cool |
| 22:27.43 | zsazs | http://polpo.org/zaurus/ |
| 22:27.55 | zsazs | feel free to spread that mirror, it has loads and loads of bandwidth |
| 22:28.19 | zsazs | whoops, 404... |
| 22:28.46 | ljp | Sniper: if you could get them to get a 5000d rom out in the next few weeks, it would be appreciated |
| 22:33.57 | zsazs | http://polpo.morphism.org/zaurus/5500v310Ospack.zip and http://polpo.morphism.org/zaurus/5500v310Apps.zip in case the server goes down again :) |
| 22:34.29 | rev|desk | http://polpo.org/zaurus/ ? |
| 22:34.30 | rev|desk | doesn't work |
| 22:34.39 | zsazs | yeah, directory indexes aren't working |
| 22:34.56 | Twiun | no .htaccess? |
| 22:36.14 | Sniper | twiun: im uploading the 40MB file that i cant seem to get on the site |
| 22:36.18 | Sniper | because we'er getting hammered already |
| 22:36.21 | Sniper | people dont have that one yet |
| 22:36.32 | Sniper | so once that's up.. |
| 22:36.41 | Sniper | i'll let people know about the mirror |
| 22:36.51 | zsazs | oh well, the direct links to the files will work. |
| 22:39.09 | subdue | hmm |
| 22:39.22 | subdue | what do I do with that "ospack" file that's extracted? |
| 22:39.30 | Sniper | haha |
| 22:39.32 | Sniper | read the DOC |
| 22:39.34 | zsazs | http://polpo.org/zaurus/ works now. silly apache. |
| 22:39.34 | Sniper | :-) |
| 22:39.50 | zsazs | i'll bbiab |
| 22:40.03 | subdue | there's only 1 file in there, ospack |
| 22:40.19 | Sniper | u a windows user? |
| 22:40.26 | subdue | yes |
| 22:40.33 | fusion94 | Sniper: 40mb ?? you said 4 earlier |
| 22:40.34 | Sniper | im trying to upload the windows |
| 22:40.43 | Sniper | yes.. they'll need to get that version |
| 22:40.48 | subdue | oh, this is a non-windoze version then. ok |
| 22:40.54 | Sniper | no.. that's just the ROM |
| 22:40.57 | Sniper | you can still flash with that |
| 22:40.59 | subdue | ah |
| 22:41.12 | doughecka | do you have an empty CF card? |
| 22:41.29 | subdue | how much space would it need? |
| 22:41.30 | Sniper | once i get the windoze verison up.. you can upgrade through the cradle |
| 22:41.34 | subdue | ok |
| 22:41.49 | doughecka | 32 megs |
| 22:42.24 | subdue | not a problem then. but doing it via the cradle would be nicer, I think |
| 22:43.58 | subdue | heh ... it must be really getting hammered now :) |
| 22:44.08 | subdue | Zaurus DevNet Could Not Connect to Database |
| 22:44.51 | Solar[X] | I hope no one will slashdot it :/ |
| 22:44.58 | Solar[X] | That'd certainly be the end of it. |
| 22:45.13 | subdue | lol |
| 22:45.23 | fusion94 | Sniper: can you put that file up somewhere where I can upload to community ? |
| 22:45.57 | subdue | once he uploads it, you can put it wherever |
| 22:46.13 | subdue | fusion94: do you need the other two files? |
| 22:46.22 | Sniper | Mirror sites: |
| 22:46.22 | Sniper | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.22 | Sniper | http://polpo.morphism.org/zaurus/ |
| 22:46.22 | Sniper | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.22 | Sniper | Im still trying to upload some more files... But you guys are sucking my bandwidth... The new files have the Intellisync and Qtopia.. You can get it from this mirror: http://adorphuye.com/files/sharp/ |
| 22:46.24 | Sniper | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.26 | Sniper | Please be sure to carefully read the Upgrade doc... http://community.zaurus.com/docman/?group_id=5 |
| 22:46.51 | subdue | Sniper: nice |
| 22:48.42 | Neo|Work | so is there no fast mirror so I can mirror it on a real host? :) |
| 22:48.47 | rev|desk | what are in these polpo sies? |
| 22:48.52 | rev|desk | what are those files? |
| 22:49.06 | Sniper | miror |
| 22:49.12 | subdue | yay - sysinfo moved to settings |
| 22:49.14 | rev|desk | mirrir of what though? |
| 22:49.17 | rev|desk | new rom?! |
| 22:49.39 | Sniper | yes |
| 22:49.46 | rev|desk | no way |
| 22:49.51 | rev|desk | *the* new rom or something else? |
| 22:49.53 | rev|desk | sharp rom? |
| 22:49.56 | Sniper | sharp rom |
| 22:50.04 | rev|desk | any official info aboiut this? |
| 22:50.11 | Twiun | rev|desk: Sniper's a Sharp employee :) |
| 22:50.12 | rev|desk | is this a leaked thing or the real deal? |
| 22:50.14 | Neo|Work | hmm, community.zaurus.com is fast |
| 22:50.26 | rev|desk | sweet |
| 22:50.31 | Twiun | Neo|Work: yeah but their file db seems to be under some strain :) |
| 22:50.36 | subdue | very nice. lots of apps moved to the cf if desired |
| 22:51.13 | Neo|Work | http://eongames.com/sharp/ |
| 22:51.19 | Neo|Work | oops http://ftp.eongames.com/sharp/ |
| 22:51.24 | Twiun | and another mirror :) |
| 22:51.33 | subdue | darn. they should have moved the opera browser there too. |
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| 22:51.41 | Neo|Work | Twiun: one worth it's name. :P |
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| 22:52.13 | subdue | too bad they didn't move the opera browser, media player and the image viewer to the external |
| 22:52.32 | Twiun | Neo|Work: Aye - I only offer my poor meagre connection :) |
| 22:52.45 | rev|desk | damnit |
| 22:52.48 | rev|desk | i wish i had my Z with me |
| 22:52.50 | Neo|Work | eongames.com sits on 10 Mbps |
| 22:52.59 | rev|desk | even though it is technically fdasks now :P |
| 22:53.17 | subdue | Sniper: how come they didnt move those apps over? |
| 22:53.27 | Sniper | ARGH |
| 22:53.30 | Sniper | dont ask me those questions now |
| 22:53.35 | Sniper | im trying to get the last file uploaded |
| 22:53.39 | subdue | ok, sorry :) |
| 22:54.43 | Sniper | any feature enahncements please go to |
| 22:55.06 | Sniper | http://community.zaurus.com/tracker/?group_id=5 |
| 22:55.08 | Sniper | and enter |
| 22:55.13 | Sniper | feature request |
| 22:55.54 | subdue | ok, doing so now, thanks (you could have answered me later) |
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| 22:56.13 | zsazs | ahhhh |
| 22:56.30 | zsazs | the sound of hundreds of downloads :D |
| 22:56.49 | zsazs | Sniper: are you spencer on the zaurus.com dev boards? |
| 22:56.52 | Sniper | yes |
| 22:57.05 | Sniper | setting up bug tracking and feature requests now |
| 22:57.28 | zsazs | heheh :) |
| 22:57.31 | zsazs | so far, so good :D |
| 22:58.33 | subdue | uh ... should I wait then? |
| 22:58.37 | subdue | I started typing it out |
| 22:58.37 | zsazs | if you could, could you edit the post on zaurus.com to say 'polpo.org' instead of 'polpo.morphism.org' ? |
| 22:58.42 | zsazs | sniper: --^ |
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| 22:59.05 | zsazs | I have more direct control over the NS so i can redirect it to a less busy server if need be |
| 22:59.14 | Sniper | ok |
| 22:59.51 | Sniper | Sharp ROM v3.10 ROM here: |
| 22:59.52 | Sniper | [URL=http://www.polpo.org/zaurus/]http://www.polpo.org/zaurus/[/URL] |
| 22:59.52 | Sniper | ?? |
| 23:00.05 | Sniper | to say ? |
| 23:00.23 | Neo|Work | sniper: http://ftp.eongames.com/sharp/ |
| 23:00.46 | zsazs | actually, that server's being pretty slow now, hah |
| 23:01.13 | zsazs | eongames is nice and fast :) |
| 23:01.29 | Neo|Work | That's what I do. :P |
| 23:01.39 | Neo|Work | I'll see if I see a spike in traffic from this |
| 23:01.40 | subdue | feature request added. |
| 23:02.32 | subdue | I must say, I think I'm going to like this rom |
| 23:02.32 | Sniper | cool |
| 23:03.19 | subdue | I wonder if they fixed the sycn to go via external by default? |
| 23:03.42 | zsazs | thanks neo for the mirror, I can't even get it from my own server now :) |
| 23:04.18 | doughecka | Neo|Work: you work at eon games? |
| 23:05.02 | Neo|Work | I am Eon Games |
| 23:05.07 | doughecka | oh. |
| 23:05.07 | Neo|Work | ~eongames |
| 23:05.08 | | methinks eongames is see Eon Games instead |
| 23:05.10 | Neo|Work | ~eon games |
| 23:05.12 | | rumour has it, eon games is game developer with many fine Zaurus titles, like Strategic Assault, Eligo and Bust'em. Other than original port, Eon Games also do a lot of porting (mainly Pocket PC to Sharp Zaurus but desktop porting as well). See http://eongames.com/ for more information. |
| 23:05.17 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:05.20 | doughecka | cool |
| 23:05.20 | Neo|Work | bah |
| 23:05.22 | Neo|Work | ~neotron |
| 23:05.23 | | hmm... neotron is http://david.hedbor.org, http://eongames.com/, mailto:david@eongames.com, mailto:david@hedbor.org |
| 23:05.30 | doughecka | gimme free games :) |
| 23:05.30 | doughecka | :P |
| 23:05.42 | Neo|Work | gimme free zaurus and I'll gimme you free games |
| 23:05.57 | doughecka | hmm |
| 23:06.00 | zsazs | bought interstellar flames, i'll probably buy snails when it's out |
| 23:06.00 | Solar[X] | Hey, Linux is supposed to be free, right? |
| 23:06.08 | Neo|Work | Solar[X]: no |
| 23:06.14 | Solar[X] | :P |
| 23:06.15 | doughecka | yes |
| 23:06.17 | doughecka | :P |
| 23:06.19 | Neo|Work | well, Linux kernel is free but above and beyond that, no |
| 23:06.43 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 23:06.49 | zsazs | wow, motocross stunt racer is gorgeous |
| 23:06.55 | zsazs | now i gotta get that :( |
| 23:06.59 | Neo|Work | heh. :) |
| 23:07.12 | doughecka | with all the particals |
| 23:07.14 | doughecka | ooh |
| 23:07.21 | Neo|Work | RocketElite |
| 23:07.22 | zsazs | i could never get the hang of the controls on that one |
| 23:07.31 | doughecka | hehe |
| 23:07.37 | subdue | zsazs: how can you tell it's good? no screen shots |
| 23:07.39 | Neo|Work | it's probably the hardest game I have |
| 23:07.41 | doughecka | how many levels is total in rocketelite? |
| 23:07.50 | Pampaluz | GNU/Linux is the complete Linux system, and it is free |
| 23:07.51 | Neo|Work | subdue: all my games have screenshots |
| 23:07.51 | doughecka | in the full |
| 23:07.57 | Neo|Work | doughecka: like 40-50 or something I think |
| 23:07.59 | zsazs | subdue, tell what's good? |
| 23:08.01 | doughecka | wow |
| 23:08.07 | doughecka | how about the stratagy game? |
| 23:08.09 | subdue | Neo|Work: dont see it there |
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| 23:08.18 | levi | I showed RocketElite to my xpilot-fanatic friends. They loved it. |
| 23:08.25 | Neo|Work | http://eongames.com/games/msr/shots.html |
| 23:08.27 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:08.46 | subdue | wow |
| 23:08.53 | subdue | these are zaurus shots? |
| 23:09.03 | Neo|Work | yeah |
| 23:09.08 | Neo|Work | well, technically no, they are PocketPC |
| 23:09.09 | subdue | that's pretty impressive |
| 23:09.12 | Neo|Work | but the game is identical |
| 23:09.12 | doughecka | I just dont like those games :) |
| 23:09.17 | subdue | aw, darn |
| 23:09.17 | Neo|Work | doughecka: I actually quite like it. :) |
| 23:09.22 | doughecka | cuz you made it |
| 23:09.23 | doughecka | :D |
| 23:09.25 | subdue | what's the res on the pocket pc? |
| 23:09.29 | Neo|Work | mainly because it gradually gets harder in a nice way |
| 23:09.30 | Neo|Work | same |
| 23:09.32 | Neo|Work | 240x320 |
| 23:09.36 | subdue | ah, ok |
| 23:10.23 | subdue | no wonder I missed the screenshots. it's not put where the words are |
| 23:10.33 | Solar[X] | What's the average pricing for those games? |
| 23:10.41 | doughecka | hmm, when is rocket elite gonna be ported to the desktop? |
| 23:10.48 | doughecka | <20 |
| 23:10.53 | Sniper | gotta setup bug tracking |
| 23:10.53 | Sniper | ttyl |
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| 23:11.04 | Solar[X] | Hm |
| 23:11.05 | doughecka | I thought sniper did sales |
| 23:11.06 | Neo|Work | doughecka: Linux desktop? never I'm guessing |
| 23:11.16 | Solar[X] | If I ever get a Zaurus I might biu some. |
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| 23:11.18 | doughecka | ow about winders? |
| 23:11.19 | doughecka | :P |
| 23:11.22 | Solar[X] | Or just pirate the shit out of you ;) |
| 23:11.36 | doughecka | Solar[X]: ur welcome to buy it for me |
| 23:11.37 | doughecka | :P |
| 23:11.44 | Solar[X] | Heh |
| 23:11.48 | Neo|Work | doughecka: NO RESELL ALLOWED! :) |
| 23:11.55 | doughecka | a gift |
| 23:11.59 | Solar[X] | Linux is free! |
| 23:12.01 | Solar[X] | ;) |
| 23:12.01 | doughecka | dats it, its a gift |
| 23:12.01 | levi | doughecka: Have you ever played xpilot? |
| 23:12.02 | doughecka | :) |
| 23:12.05 | subdue | darn. he left before putting up the 3rd file |
| 23:12.05 | Neo|Work | seriously however, pricing might be lowered at some point |
| 23:12.10 | doughecka | levi: ugh, dont ask me :) |
| 23:12.17 | doughecka | worse game on the planet |
| 23:12.27 | fusion94 | doughecka: dude...he's filling out a webform...it doesn't require an engineering degree |
| 23:12.35 | Solar[X] | It's ethically harder to pirate if the person making the software is so close to you. |
| 23:12.44 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:12.46 | subdue | ah, it's there, but in a diff place :) |
| 23:13.06 | Neo|Work | of course, also you are screwing off a single person who doesn't exactly get rich on it anyway |
| 23:13.08 | subdue | http://community.zaurus.com/download.php/3/5500v310U.zip <= the win version |
| 23:13.16 | Neo|Work | piracy of Zaurus software in general is much more severe than say a PC game |
| 23:13.18 | Neo|Work | imho |
| 23:13.34 | subdue | Neo|Work: what other games beside the racer did you make? |
| 23:13.44 | Neo|Work | check http://eongames.com/ |
| 23:13.49 | doughecka | Neo|Work: I would buy it if I had money |
| 23:13.52 | subdue | all of them? |
| 23:13.53 | Neo|Work | I didn't _make_ them, I ported them |
| 23:14.06 | subdue | ah |
| 23:14.19 | subdue | port the advanced game boy emulator :) |
| 23:14.23 | Solar[X] | Interstellar flames looks cool. |
| 23:14.25 | subdue | (and make it fast) |
| 23:14.25 | doughecka | lol |
| 23:14.25 | Neo|Work | Eligo I made for the Trolltech/sharp contest way bakc when |
| 23:14.36 | Solar[X] | Now if it runs at 40fps I'd be happy. |
| 23:14.42 | Neo|Work | subdue: no interest. I barely find it worth porting commercial stuff anymore |
| 23:14.52 | Neo|Work | sales don't justify even doing it for "fun" reqally |
| 23:15.02 | Neo|Work | Solar[X]: it's locked (and designed for) 20 fps |
| 23:15.21 | subdue | Neo|Work: the rocketelite doesnt look bad |
| 23:15.21 | Solar[X] | Should be playable :) |
| 23:15.27 | Neo|Work | it is |
| 23:15.31 | Neo|Work | you don't need more fps really |
| 23:16.07 | subdue | Neo|Work: which are your favorites? |
| 23:16.48 | Neo|Work | hard to say - I generally don't have time to play all that much |
| 23:17.06 | subdue | ow. $20 for racer |
| 23:17.29 | subdue | must have taken a while to port that one |
| 23:18.18 | Neo|Work | not really |
| 23:18.19 | subdue | heh ... guess I'd better just try em out first :) |
| 23:18.33 | Neo|Work | I set the prices based on what the original author says |
| 23:18.39 | subdue | ah |
| 23:18.55 | Solar[X] | Do you have to pay royalties of some sort? |
| 23:19.05 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 23:19.23 | subdue | well, at least we can try em before buying em |
| 23:19.54 | fusion94 | http://mirror.zaurus.com |
| 23:20.01 | fusion94 | 100mbit pipe |
| 23:21.24 | Neo|Work | subdue: right. No demo == bad imho |
| 23:21.45 | Neo|Work | I personally think pricing in the $20 range is a bit steep in case you wonder, btw |
| 23:21.49 | subdue | Neo|Work: very much so. no screenshots, no demo, I usually just walk away from them |
| 23:22.01 | mutexer | 10 bucks is a good price |
| 23:22.25 | subdue | Neo|Work: heh, thanks. they should lower it, yes. to around $10 sounds decent |
| 23:22.48 | subdue | Neo|Work: depends though, how good the game is |
| 23:23.02 | subdue | Neo|Work: I'll give some feedback later on the games |
| 23:23.16 | ljp | still havent ported tempest... ;) |
| 23:25.07 | subdue | hope they can be installed to the cf |
| 23:25.33 | Neo|Work | of course |
| 23:25.43 | subdue | :) |
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| 23:26.19 | Neo|Work | ok, MSR and RE are getting their prices lowered |
| 23:26.42 | subdue | comment: diff versions of config in diff files |
| 23:27.09 | subdue | eonconfig moto 1.3, rocket 1.2 |
| 23:27.41 | Neo|Work | yes |
| 23:28.00 | Neo|Work | repackaging everything when eonconfig changes would be annoying |
| 23:28.03 | subdue | so they must synch? |
| 23:28.14 | subdue | or can I just leave the newer one on? |
| 23:28.40 | Neo|Work | newer one is always best |
| 23:28.46 | subdue | ok, just making sure |
| 23:29.59 | subdue | http://eongames.com/games/if/download.html |
| 23:30.10 | subdue | missing screenshots + purchase info? |
| 23:30.56 | subdue | (I know they have it on a diff page, but might want to have it here too |
| 23:32.34 | Neo|Work | Ok, new pricing in effect |
| 23:33.27 | subdue | http://eongames.com/apps/flipit/download.html |
| 23:33.39 | subdue | http://eongames.com/order.html |
| 23:33.45 | subdue | (sorry, wrong link) |
| 23:33.51 | subdue | on this page, it's missing a game |
| 23:34.02 | subdue | sdlroids |
| 23:34.12 | Neo|Work | sdlroids isn't for purchase |
| 23:34.17 | subdue | ah |
| 23:34.18 | subdue | ok |
| 23:35.06 | subdue | btw |
| 23:35.28 | Neo|Work | it's really a project pre-Eon Games |
| 23:35.29 | subdue | http://eongames.com/games/ <= this page has descriptions which is nice |
| 23:35.34 | Neo|Work | but I put it there sint it make sense |
| 23:36.06 | subdue | http://eongames.com/order.html <= this has price, download info, but no descriptions (would be nice if the info was on the same page) |
| 23:36.46 | Neo|Work | that's what the information link is for really |
| 23:38.10 | subdue | ok, going to try them out |
| 23:38.15 | subdue | wonder if they work on the new rom? |
| 23:38.16 | subdue | :) |
| 23:38.32 | doughecka | Neo|Work: I am gonna pay for rocket elite |
| 23:38.45 | subdue | doughecka: did you try it out already? |
| 23:38.49 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:38.50 | ljp | wow, yer leet! |
| 23:38.54 | doughecka | cool thing |
| 23:39.09 | doughecka | but I just dont have dat money yet.. it was in the paypal... and now it aint |
| 23:39.10 | subdue | heh ... I spent my time downloading the diff games |
| 23:39.25 | subdue | paypal allows charge cards too |
| 23:39.38 | Neo|Work | doughecka: well, you're in luck since it jus twent down to 9.99 |
| 23:39.45 | doughecka | hahahah |
| 23:39.47 | doughecka | charge cards? |
| 23:39.49 | doughecka | hahahah |
| 23:40.06 | Neo|Work | subdue: they should work fine |
| 23:40.11 | Neo|Work | they run even on the C700 |
| 23:40.27 | subdue | Neo|Work: ok (I'm still toying with the idea of the c700) |
| 23:40.32 | doughecka | heck, dont even have a summer job yet |
| 23:41.03 | subdue | heh |
| 23:41.13 | doughecka | I sold some ram |
| 23:41.18 | doughecka | got me 20 bucks... |
| 23:41.22 | subdue | Neo|Work: are you going to make a "date" page? |
| 23:41.40 | subdue | Neo|Work: as in version or new files? |
| 23:42.00 | subdue | ie, if you add a new game in |
| 23:42.01 | Neo|Work | hmm? |
| 23:42.11 | Neo|Work | the front page is "news" |
| 23:42.39 | subdue | ok, I guess I can get the info that way |
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